00:33:37 -!- Verbed has joined. 00:37:31 -!- Taaus has set topic: SKI combinators in Maple! Woo! "s:=a->b->c->a(c)(b(c)); k:=x->y->x; i:=x->x;". 00:55:43 -!- lament has joined. 01:35:19 Heya lament. 01:35:25 hi 01:36:00 How's the hand-drum fugue coming along? 01:36:04 I went to a CS course today! 01:36:07 For the first time in my life! 01:36:25 Hehe... Congrats. 01:36:27 well. er... i have the first two and a half measures 01:37:13 And an idea for one of the episodes. 01:37:16 Heh. 01:37:22 The episodes will likely be improvised. 01:37:41 Nice. Or something. 01:37:45 heh 01:38:10 it's not my fault! 01:38:18 Liar! 01:38:23 oh, i have another measure too 01:45:57 in any case! 01:46:05 in any case, 01:46:45 Yes? 01:47:24 * lament wonders if he was going to say something 01:47:43 It sure looked that way... But what do I know... Or care. 01:48:07 * Taaus goes back to doing painful things with Maple 01:51:08 why are you doing painful things with maple? 01:51:35 Because... Umm... Damn. I knew someone was going to ask me that. 01:52:10 Because my CS classes are so insanely easy I've decided to spice it up a bit... Like using Church numerals, etc. 01:56:44 will your cs professor be able to understand it?\ 01:56:58 I doubt it :( 01:57:15 well, as long as it works.... 01:57:27 Indeed. 02:02:54 * lament attempts to record the first prelude 02:08:12 * lament gave up already 02:12:40 Why have you abandoned your attempt already? 02:13:25 Verbed: have you ever tried to record stuff? 02:15:58 I've worked on a few pieces, all completely synthesized. I imagine the transition from analog to digital difficult, just curious of the details. 02:16:27 you mean, you enter the notes and computer plays them? 02:16:34 or you play stuff on the synthesizer? 02:17:30 I used a MIDI sequencer and had my SBLive synthesize the instruments using SoundFonts ( Samples ). 02:17:38 midi! 02:17:42 At least for the piece I completed.. 02:17:43 that's not quite the same. 02:17:50 The problem with recording stuff 02:18:01 Is that you always get something wrong! 02:18:10 Unless you're a genius. 02:18:18 Taaus probably doesn't get anything wrong. 02:18:31 And when you do get it wrong, you get to start over! 02:18:39 So recording stuff is like Nethack. 02:18:58 If wouldn't mind a less 'authentic' sound, you might sample different individual notes. 02:19:02 Serious multi-track recording is Hell. 02:19:11 Which could be sequenced with CSound for example. 02:19:14 I would mind it very much 02:19:53 music is meant to be created and played by people :) 02:21:12 besides, the whole point is to record myself 02:21:17 A difference, to play a piece or to _sculpt_ a piece. 02:21:26 i know my computer can play the first prelude :) 02:21:49 sculpt! 02:21:54 sculpt!! 02:21:54 is that like composing? :) 02:24:58 There are many perspectives on the many aspects of music. 02:25:47 'Western' musics and harmony, 'Eastern' and melody. 02:26:07 The focus on Rhythm in African musics. 02:26:55 Jazz and its basis on _performance_. 02:27:01 and the focus on timbre in modern classical. blah blah 02:27:03 The pseudomusic of John Cage. 02:27:48 I don't understand modern classical! I'm too dumb for it. 02:28:01 I don't even know what modern classical is :P 02:28:04 But I understand jazz. 02:28:14 Therefore, timbre can go fuck itself! 02:28:27 As can synthesized music. 02:29:21 Verbed: nasty digital stuff without melody, harmony or rhythm. 02:30:44 The perspective of texture and timbre in music is not reliant on the synthesizer, digital or analog. 02:32:31 Tom Waits has an instrument, a dumpster which is bowed on its cables. 02:33:08 I have a guitar. It sounds like a dumpster with cables. 02:41:53 Music is a specification of form, its meaning is completely malleable. John Cage's 4'33 is a profound example; when made conscious of a context, even complete silence is music. 02:53:42 very shitty music, certainly. 03:00:24 To some minds... ears. 03:12:15 Yes. To most, hopefully. :) 03:12:24 Appreciation of music is not all subjective. 03:17:32 I don't know that I can understand your statement unless we agree on what 'subjective' means. 03:19:00 There's certain music that just sucks regardless of what individual people might think of it. 03:19:43 Do you mean that sincerely? 03:20:24 Yes 03:20:37 Do you mean that insincerely? 03:20:42 No 03:20:58 Did you mean 'No' sincerely? 03:21:28 Yes 03:21:42 How about the Yes's? 03:22:22 Yes 03:22:27 All three of them? 03:22:38 Yes 03:22:42 Even that one? 03:22:47 Yes 03:23:28 The last one doesn't seem very sincere. 03:23:42 Perhaps I have a cold. 03:23:54 Perhaps you do. 03:24:01 Sincerely. 03:24:14 Yes 03:24:28 But seriously 03:24:42 some music is just not meant for homo sapiens 03:25:35 How can 'music' exist independent of human thought? 03:26:22 Five pounds of flax. 03:26:30 With the seeds? 03:28:03 Yes 03:32:38 see, i'm right 03:32:56 I would need to inspect the flax in order to determine that. 03:33:24 You don't trust me? 03:34:48 I don't trust the flax. 03:35:37 i don't think music is an individual thing 03:35:40 it's a species thing 03:35:55 at least 03:36:22 There are so many terms that need to be agreed upon. 03:36:30 ok! 03:36:36 Does good music sound pleasant? 03:36:59 What is this 'goodness' anyways? 03:37:01 That's an individual thing 03:37:07 (pleasantness) 03:37:19 and i'm not talking about goodness! 03:37:36 i'm talking about suckiness :) 03:38:24 Should it be meaningful whether a music is sucky or not? 03:38:30 no. 03:39:01 i mean yes. 03:39:31 Sake. 03:40:08 Sake? 03:40:10 Sake musehicks. 03:40:21 !? 03:40:31 Prevalent in Japanese culture. 03:42:49 Music can be almost objectively evaluated on two levels 03:43:07 in full context of the time period, and in itself 03:43:59 In itself, 4:33 is not music. 03:44:10 Sake musehicks stemuleits the creatif braincentermind. 03:44:40 in context, it's a smartass attempt at being weird. 03:44:56 see, i'm being completely objective! 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 09:34:51 -!- lament has quit ("leaving"). 16:46:52 -!- Verbed has quit (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 16:47:14 -!- Verbed has joined.