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00:09:49 <Keymaker> arke: who buys gmail accounts anyways..? :p
00:10:21 <Keymaker> "23:28:14 <lament> you don't need any money to stay alive for a month"
00:11:28 <Keymaker> anyways.. why not living in germany anymore?
00:12:59 <Keymaker> {^Raven^}: yeah, even the brainfuck is the game designer's right-hand tool, there aren't many games for it, at least i haven't seen
00:13:24 <Keymaker> i should make one, i've planned for long, but never got started on it :) "needs planning"
00:13:40 <Keymaker> (i mean never got started on making the game)
00:13:59 <{^Raven^}> i've had a play, need to find a nice 'terp
00:14:47 <{^Raven^}> interpreter, virtual machine type thingy
00:16:26 <{^Raven^}> got a basic adventure game up and running
00:16:34 <{^Raven^}> just need to figure out a nice parser
00:16:55 <Keymaker> parser can be a bit hard to do
00:17:58 <{^Raven^}> main concern is speed, i can code in as much flexibility as i want but it'll run like a snail on sleeping tablets
00:18:52 <Keymaker> it can take easily a lot calculation power
00:19:32 <Keymaker> we have to wait a few years more to get the cool stuff running in brainfuck :)
00:19:51 <Keymaker> nah, just joking.. there's plenty of cool stuff already..
00:20:05 <{^Raven^}> i've thought about some interesting stuff that be possible but my C coding sucks
00:20:10 <arke> Keymaker: parents moved and I was only 13 at the time, so I had to come with. I never wanted to. :/
00:21:41 <{^Raven^}> it's about as portable as BF so the seem to be stuck together atm
00:22:41 <{^Raven^}> it would be nice to extend the functionality of BF with an OS abstraction layer without changing the language in any way
00:23:03 <Keymaker> good way to mess up the computer :D
00:23:09 <{^Raven^}> so we could potentially do real file i/o and accept command line options
00:23:54 <Keymaker> in 8-bit implementations that i use
00:24:13 <{^Raven^}> i make ppl put an @ at the end of the input file
00:24:57 <{^Raven^}> it makes my life a bit easier and is less implementation dependant
00:25:10 <Keymaker> yeah, but what about files that have allkinds of values from 0 to 255?
00:25:24 <{^Raven^}> that's why I reckon we need an abstraction layer
00:26:09 <{^Raven^}> thus, you want to check for eof so you do something like [-].+++++.,
00:26:39 <{^Raven^}> 'terp would recognise that as special command number 5 and write back a byte that gives the EOF
00:27:08 <Keymaker> something like that would be good
00:27:52 <Keymaker> not to add any new instructions, but to add more functionality for '.'
00:27:59 <{^Raven^}> you could implement as many special commands as would be useful
00:28:12 <{^Raven^}> no, I would keep the language itself exactly the same
00:28:14 <cpressey> {^Raven^}: jeffry was working on something like this.
00:28:36 <cpressey> damn, what's his nick again.... caligari, i think?
00:30:13 <{^Raven^}> the beauty of an abstraction layer is that once it is stable, the main interpreter could be written for any esoteric language
00:30:58 <{^Raven^}> do you know if jeffry is still working on his idea for one?
00:31:55 <{^Raven^}> it's good to know that more than just me might find it useful
00:33:02 <Keymaker> brainfuck is optimal for developing some nice software
00:33:50 <cpressey> {^Raven^}: afaik, he's working on it as a full-fledged operating system.
00:34:17 <cpressey> but the layer is just a protocol, it could be implemented for other os'es...
00:34:31 <cpressey> the useful thing would be to have the same protocol
00:34:51 <cpressey> dare i say "standardized"...? no, i daren't. :)
00:35:04 <Keymaker> btw; anyone knows what this is?
00:35:07 <{^Raven^}> an abstraction layer providing at least similiar functionality to the C library
00:36:26 <Keymaker> and as well, i've never taken any closer look on that bfos, but it's not the calamari's project
00:37:07 <{^Raven^}> it looks like program to write a bootdisk for an esoteric OS
00:38:07 <{^Raven^}> did you like my site Keymaker? this is kindof freaky buy i spotted you in my logs...
00:38:30 <{^Raven^}> of all the IPs in all the worls and that kind of stuff
00:39:46 <{^Raven^}> do you know if Daniel C ever pops on here?
00:39:59 <Keymaker> guess have i been waiting... :)
00:41:00 <Keymaker> i meant that when i first came to this channel
00:41:14 <Keymaker> i because i wanted to chat to dbc "live" :)
00:41:37 <Keymaker> instead, we've sent plenty of e-mail
00:47:24 <Keymaker> as well, according to my luck, if he happens to visit this place sometime, then i'm probably somewhere not here. :\
00:47:45 <{^Raven^}> cpressey: found the BOS section of his site and it does look interesting, would have never thought of implementing low level disk access and stuff
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10:54:04 <dbc> I just sent you email with a list of comments and suggestions.
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11:15:33 <dbc> And now I'm going to sleep, but not before the customary ASCII art fractal.
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20:10:23 <Keymaker> i was away when dbc happened to visit..
20:11:36 <{^Raven^}> when you mentioned wanting to see him in here yesterday :)
20:12:33 <Keymaker> i didn't understand your text first, sorry :)
20:14:26 <Keymaker> just when i happen to be away the visiting happens.. i could have guessed this
20:15:10 <Keymaker> either the way, the ascii art was cool once again :)
21:10:21 <Keymaker> hm.. can't get the idea for a keen 3 mod.. been trying for a month already..
21:14:57 <arke> counterstrike mod for keen
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