< 1117152080 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool :) < 1117152115 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh oh.. phone call.. bbiaw. graue: thanks btw.. sorry if I came across a little sharp earlier < 1117152166 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's ok, you actually did not < 1117152233 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so graue, my concern is with language distributions rather than programs writtem in the languages; they're usually (mostly) zips/tarballs < 1117152265 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they? < 1117152279 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most brainfuck implementations are single files < 1117152285 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1117152289 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the modular SNUSP interpreter and tracer are each single files < 1117152297 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wierd implementations are each single .c files < 1117152306 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but many are archives < 1117152357 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, malbolge is in both zip and tarball; true too; false too IIRC; my own brainfuck debugger... < 1117152369 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they mostly small enough to be stored unrolled, like 4 or 5 files in a directory? < 1117152391 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why store them unrolled? < 1117152414 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that they should be distributed as the author pretended, i.e. full distros < 1117152441 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they're stored unrolled, you can check out the whole thing via svn and voila, you have a big esoteric language distribution ready to use < 1117152448 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe that's not practical < 1117152460 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. that could be very practical < 1117152485 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my view, preservation includes holding the original distributions < 1117152487 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you should also have the option of downloading the archive. < 1117152518 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have to download each file individually it gets a bit tedious if there are many files < 1117152547 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1117152559 0 :malaprop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And presenting individual files is a modification of the original package, invoking clauses in licenes. < 1117152609 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt that the unmodified output of "tar xzvf whatever.tar.gz" really counts as a derivative work < 1117152671 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1117152674 0 :malaprop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's different, it's a derivative. < 1117152704 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most licenses would not care about that, provided all the files were there, and no new files < 1117152735 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've seen GPLed languages < 1117152783 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the GPL would be an example of a license for which this doesn't matter < 1117152845 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: if we don't use the mediawiki for file storage, how would upload work? web interface, or something else? < 1117152854 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ftp? < 1117153028 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you would checkout svn, copy a file into your tree and svn add it < 1117153031 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just send it to me to do that < 1117153041 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. that's not very user friendly < 1117153081 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sending it to me is pretty user-friendly, no? < 1117153108 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on how friendly you are ;) < 1117153130 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1117153163 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would prefer a solution that doesn't have to go through a middle man... < 1117153194 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but wont we have to ha file upload enabled in the wiki anyway to allow images? < 1117153202 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :truly < 1117153204 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ftp might be the other alternative < 1117153211 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it possible to set up? < 1117153233 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why am I asking... if there's svn there must be ftp < 1117153236 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ftp isn't really user-friendly < 1117153244 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :much more than svn < 1117153271 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :much less than http, by which you can get the files now < 1117153293 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the superior way to have a metadistribution of languages would be a bunch of .tar.gzs with a script to extract, compile and organize them all. < 1117153295 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i might disagree, kipple ;) but anyway many people are used to uploading their pages via ftp to the web server < 1117153297 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant ftp for upload. you could still get them by ftp < 1117153315 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Umm, lesse ... an extracted archive is not a derivitive work because the copyright is over the code, not the archive ... < 1117153323 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So much damn log >_O < 1117153369 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And as per file storage, my personal preference is within the wiki, seems kludgy to have to upload it via some other means. < 1117153371 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh. get them by HTTP I meant < 1117153378 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sftp with accounts may be available, anonymous ftp is not available (at least, i can't provide it) < 1117153386 0 :malaprop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also vote for putting files in MediaWiki. < 1117153393 0 :calamari!~calamari@dialup-4.240.240.244.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1117153408 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't here, I was at work. < 1117153439 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :malaprop: the objection to mediawiki is the lack of hierarchy < 1117153463 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if the files are zips/tarballs, is that a problem? you only need to get one file < 1117153485 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which should be available on the appropriate wiki page < 1117153503 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :many files are not, though < 1117153520 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :language distributions, yes, sometimes; programs written in the languages, generally, no < 1117153533 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: I expect only (trusted) editors to upload files, not anonymous people; sftp is ok to me < 1117153539 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there's any need for the FILES to be in a hierarchy - the hierarchy is in the design of the Wiki. They can just be sitting in one big directory, so long as the wiki makes their purposes obvious. < 1117153545 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't see the big problem. The programs should be listed on the language page < 1117153572 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Excactly what I think as well < 1117153608 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kipple: I intended the articles to be like those on Wikipedia, overviews of the languages, with links to detailed examples, programs, and implementations in other places < 1117153626 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think a language article should be updated just because someone wrote a new program in that language < 1117153649 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. but I thought the point was to preserve content from other pages in case they disappear < 1117153659 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the point < 1117153665 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the point of the files directory < 1117153676 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the wiki, we generally can't do that anyway, because the content from those other pages is not PD < 1117153678 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see no reason to separate the two... < 1117153685 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: the files directory becomes useless if it is just a big lump of files < 1117153700 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? what's useless about that? < 1117153703 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not if you can conveniently link to them from wiki pages < 1117153735 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1117153756 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the article would still be updated, with a link to the new file < 1117153766 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Humm - if we want to properly preserve dead pages, I don't think doing that IN the wiki is possible...it would need to be a .zip of the page anyway. < 1117153778 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for programs in esolangs, I think there should be a separate page for each language with a bunch of programs, where people can upload their own code < 1117153792 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd be nice < 1117153809 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregor: yes, but the question is still where that zip should be stored ;) < 1117153849 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kipple: i agree.. otherwise people won't go through the trouble of begging for permission to upload each and every file < 1117153887 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. I fear that if you have to contact an admin to upload, most will not bother < 1117153909 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, allowing everyone to upload whatever is problematic as well.... ;( < 1117153915 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems reasonable to allow people that have accounts to upload files < 1117153979 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not hard to sign up for an account.. took me less than 30 seconds :) < 1117154065 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the restrictions on upload should be on size and file type, not whether you are a user (as calamari said, that takes only 30 secs to fix, so there's not much security in that anyway) < 1117154110 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kipple: good point.. so they can block php, html, perl, etc < 1117154130 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they have a legit program that is in php, it can be zipped < 1117154167 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1117154312 0 :malaprop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would you block PHP, HTML, perl? < 1117154334 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the server would try to execute them < 1117154356 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I think you can block that in the apache config < 1117154364 0 :malaprop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So use a .htaccess to serve them instead. Is not at all difficult. < 1117154456 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know I don't have that level of control over my web hosting.. but maybe graue does? < 1117154495 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather than having a blacklist there should be a whitelist ... < 1117154523 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only allow images (png, jpg, jpeg, gif), archives (zip, tar, tar.gz, tar.bz2), and docs (ps, pdf) < 1117154524 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would create problems for source code in a lot of esolangs... < 1117154535 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anything that's not one of those formats can be .tar'd or .zip'd. < 1117154546 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohhh, I see. < 1117154551 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Humm. < 1117154562 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mayhaps I should read the log *shrugs* < 1117155613 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems we won't have the files issue sorted out today < 1117155652 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nite all < 1117155685 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :note < 1117155693 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL nite I mean < 1117155755 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cya pgimeno < 1117155985 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know how we can all agree on how the files are set up. < 1117155987 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's simple. < 1117155994 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Giki?? ;) < 1117155997 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whatever kipple says next will officially be however the files are set up. < 1117156016 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, it's simple, just hold one person accountable 8-D < 1117156029 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody except that one poor schmuck feels bad if it doesn't work right 8-D < 1117156044 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, Giki is of course the solution to all problems :P < 1117156057 0 :malaprop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kipple: Say: MediaWiki. < 1117156071 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hear-hears that < 1117156076 0 :malaprop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kipple: I'll give you a dollar if you say MediaWiki. < 1117156105 0 :malaprop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So now you have an excuse if it all goes terribly wrong -- you can say I blinded you with promises of riches. < 1117156108 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently two people now accept that as a method of determination, that's almost a majority ;) < 1117156141 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kipple is now afraid to talk :P < 1117156155 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm honored :D < 1117156170 0 :malaprop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm honored" is not a way to set up files. < 1117156222 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why me? < 1117156265 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. Here it comes. *drumrolls* < 1117156300 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BOS : http://lilly.csoft.net/~jeffryj/programs/bf/bf.html < 1117156382 0 :malaprop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kipple: Well, if you're volunteering to write the TCP/IP stack... < 1117156441 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's too late. < 1117156450 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm honored :D" is the method. < 1117156457 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1117156479 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We must decode this, like a biblical phrase that has little meaning but in the hands of an idiot can mean that God hates Jews. < 1117156567 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just the prophet. I'll leave interpretation to you guys.... < 1117156603 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or you could write an interpreter for it.... ) < 1117156633 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course god hates jews < 1117156645 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl.. phone again :) < 1117156648 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm surprised there's no god-hating-jews esoteric language yet < 1117156651 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should write one < 1117156659 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1117156670 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shaves off a significant chunk of his nose, just-in-case. < 1117156691 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think nose is the right body part < 1117156708 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I considered writing a language once were the syntax is in the form of Commandments... < 1117156739 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thou shalt write "Hello World!" to StdOut < 1117156740 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a "begot" language would be fun. < 1117156752 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The stack begot a register. < 1117156756 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The register begot a value. < 1117156764 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL < 1117156765 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the value lived for 300 years, and had 15 children. < 1117157737 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1117158842 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Are you a Schweinpenis? If so, type "I am not a Schweinpenis."" < 1117161386 0 :calamari!~calamari@dialup-4.240.246.116.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1117161726 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1117165743 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, files are working :) < 1117166177 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using the "I'm honored :D" method? < 1117166210 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope.. no floppies involved here :) < 1117166217 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahh, of course < 1117166255 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1117167235 0 :malaprop!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"sleep" < 1117167670 0 :GregorR-L!~GregorR-L@c-24-21-138-66.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1117168152 0 :graue!~piecrust@ip68-100-130-21.dc.dc.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1117168167 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone have a copy of that aura language page (that was from nhi.netfirms.com/aura.html)? < 1117168194 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wayback machine doesn't have it anymore, and subversion somehow corrupted my saved copy < 1117168302 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have it.. need to use the phone bbl < 1117168489 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never mind, i figured it out < 1117168508 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to be a bug in my browser; the file was transferred gzipped and was not decoded < 1117168703 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://giki.sourceforge.net/index.php?title=subwindow%20rendering%20plugin# < 1117168704 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1117169166 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Transmitting file data ....................svn: Commit failed (details follow): < 1117169166 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :svn: At least one property change failed; repository is unchanged < 1117169177 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate esoteric revision control systems < 1117169294 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1117169415 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1117169703 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way, are you aware that you misspelled instantiate repeatedly in the ORK documentation? < 1117169708 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup < 1117169717 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's too late now, since it's a built in function 8-D < 1117169736 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'm just going to live in a world where instanCe translates to instanCiate. < 1117169745 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which would make infinitely more sense. < 1117169747 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the mime type for a .tar.bz2? < 1117169762 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instanciate looks wimpy < 1117169777 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :application/x-bzip2 < 1117169806 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it would have a different mime type for .tar.bz2 vs .bz2 >_> <_< < 1117169946 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember seeing application/x-gzipped-tar or something like that < 1117169968 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1117169979 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, all svn really needs to know is it's binary < 1117170007 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :application/octet-stream < 1117170008 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1117170035 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that should be what it thinks it is now < 1117170098 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ORK is now available from http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/files/ < 1117170119 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coolio < 1117179189 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION just wrote a CamelCase plugin for Giki :) < 1117180333 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eww why < 1117180690 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I hate it :-P < 1117180705 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But more because I want Giki to be pluginnable to basically anything anybody could ever want it to be. < 1117180727 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CamelCase is very lame though :P < 1117180734 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, sleep for me, have work in the morning. < 1117180737 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See you all later. < 1117180740 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1117180799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1117180800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1117192096 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Are you a Schweinpenis? If so, type "I am not a Schweinpenis."" < 1117193999 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1117193999 0 :cmeme!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1117193999 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1117193999 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1117193999 0 :ChanServ!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1117193999 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1117193999 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1117193999 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1117193999 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1117194000 0 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. 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JOIN :#esoteric < 1117196491 0 :cmeme!~cmeme@216.184.11.2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1117196491 0 :cpressey!nobody@d154-20-76-195.bchsia.telus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1117196491 0 :pgimeno!pgimeno@124.Red-80-59-211.pooles.rima-tde.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1117196491 0 :CXI!Sanity@dialup-42.105.221.203.acc51-kent-syd.comindico.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1117196491 0 :lament!~lament@S010600110999ad06.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1117196491 0 :lindi-!~lindi@81.17.193.150 JOIN :#esoteric < 1117196491 0 :GregorR!~GregorR@c-24-21-138-66.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1117196491 0 :mtve!mtve@mtve.vm.jvds.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1117196491 0 :irc.freenode.net!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :+o ChanServ < 1117198043 0 :kipple!~kipple@163.80-202-100.nextgentel.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1117199271 0 :malaprop!~ph@adsl-68-73-230-100.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1117203043 0 :jix!jix@p5489E7CA.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1117203050 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moin < 1117203138 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that your opinion in the Wiki debate, or just a way of saying hello? ;) < 1117203153 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a way of saying hello ^^^ < 1117203163 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case: hi! < 1117203184 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moin == mojen dach (plattdeutsch) == guten tag(german) == good day < 1117203227 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm developing a new esoteric language.. and i tried to not reinvent an existent language < 1117203255 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's always my problem < 1117203260 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that is always hard to know < 1117203311 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the syntax seems to be like any 2d language.. but the concept is a different one < 1117203315 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moin jix < 1117203350 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so easy to accidentally write another BF, another PATH or another Beatnik < 1117203385 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any language that needs 4 threads for anding 2 bits ? < 1117203394 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1117203416 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not system threads... but it behaves like 3 threads < 1117203424 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 < 1117203455 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one thread not's input a one not's input b one or's not(a) and not(b) and one not's the result of the or < 1117203465 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :once you go multithreaded the chance of reinventing another drops drastically < 1117203481 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, there aren't terribly many threaded esolangs < 1117203507 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even fewer that forces you to use threads < 1117203523 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just mean :P < 1117203561 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had an idea ages ago about a multithreaded path variant < 1117203597 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think an optimized compiler may get as fast as an bf interpreter.. < 1117203602 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the way to work today, I think I'll write a Giki plugin to parse esoteric languages. Just to be mean :p < 1117203609 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1117203613 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1117203619 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should write an esoteric meta-language < 1117203641 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: So, is the function of operators overloaded by thread# or something like that? < 1117203654 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: you know digital circuits ? < 1117203672 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To a very, very limited degree 8-D < 1117203676 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I understand and, or, not, etc. < 1117203678 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can build anything with just 2 gates.. OR and NOT or AND and NOT < 1117203684 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, I know that much. < 1117203703 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and every gate processes at every time it's input.. thus every gate is a thread < 1117203712 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's my language < 1117203722 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1117203726 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, that's very strange, I'll have to check that out < 1117203740 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I just remembered an idea I had ages ago < 1117203752 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a language based entirely on mathematics, with no if statements < 1117203767 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hard to explain exactly what I mean, but lemme find a demonstration < 1117203778 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm at 13 line of codes..^^ but it's weekend so i have plenty of time... < 1117203780 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlambda? < 1117203789 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not based on functionality exactly < 1117203833 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :diff = (targetangle -_radaraim) % 360 < 1117203834 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :radarright( diff + 360 * ((diff % 181 - diff) % 180) ) < 1117203842 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: so do you have an example of syntax? < 1117203848 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was from some robot battle code I wrote ages ago < 1117203866 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rafb.net/paste/results/lIodw042.html < 1117203894 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a "standardlib" implementing: buffer , 0 , 1 , & , ^ < 1117203928 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that certainly looks esoteric :) < 1117203943 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it has operator overloading.. you can define a 3-input or ... < 1117203986 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is turing completeness.. with 2 instructions it is as turing complete as BF with limited memory < 1117204013 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a 3rd binary stack instructions it is turing complete (because i know how to implement a BF interpreter) < 1117204219 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if anyone's trying to puzzle out that radar code, it rotates left or right based on whether the amount to rotate is over 180 or not < 1117204371 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if diff <= 180 then the whole statement will be diff + (diff - diff) % 180 * 360, which is just diff + 0... if diff = 182 then (diff % 181 - diff) is 1 - diff, so -181 % 180 is -1, so it becomes (diff - 360) < 1117204386 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in essence replacing an if statement with a multiply-by-zero < 1117204449 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think (but can't be sure) that you should be able to do something similar for any number, and thus make a totally ifless language based on the modulus operator < 1117204472 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :loops, though, I'm not sure about < 1117204492 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :recursion perhaps? < 1117204527 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but that feels a little too much like a functional language < 1117204545 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how to terminate recursion without ifs ? < 1117204587 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, maybe I could make a couple of special variables < 1117204591 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we all know how to unroll recursion with loops and queues.. don't we ;) < 1117204612 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd need to for I/O anyway < 1117205481 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Banned from network" < 1117205495 0 :jix!jix@p5489E7CA.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1117206044 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: your language certainly looks intersting. < 1117206080 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION likes languages where you can construct everything from a few atoms < 1117206095 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm, feels very elegant < 1117206109 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let us know when you have something close to a spec... < 1117206171 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the interpreter is going to be the spec ^^^ < 1117206190 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a classic approach :) < 1117206276 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: about these ^^^ you use. What's their meaning? Is this some IRC slang I'm not familiar with? < 1117206277 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm thats a new bug in xchat-aqua if i type ^^ and press return it prints ^^^ < 1117206328 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ^^ is something like ;) < 1117206341 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1117206454 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1117206504 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^ is an anime smiley < 1117206559 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, a smiley based language would be briefly funny < 1117206568 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is one < 1117206590 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i forgot that i'm away sry .. < 1117206591 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought about that myself, but there is one alrady < 1117206600 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise a damn fine plan < 1117207525 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1117207685 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1117207688 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ascii flowchart based language < 1117207689 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd be neat < 1117207990 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did start something similar in Powerpoint a while back < 1117208022 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after all: why do we always have to limit ourselves to text files :) < 1117208037 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1117208045 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was considering doing it graphically, but that'd be tricky < 1117208066 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus you could probably represent more complex ideas more easily with graphics < 1117208091 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I get around to do it again, I would probably use OpenOffice presentation files < 1117208133 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not post-script compatible files < 1117208160 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I'm not familiar with post-script < 1117208187 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very easy..but it's a programming language on it's own < 1117208219 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but one of the main points was to avoid writing code < 1117208221 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully without godel complexity :P < 1117208327 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kipple: hmm yes.. piet is code less < 1117208343 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. I know. It's the only one I know about < 1117208356 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(except un-esoteric langs of course) < 1117208416 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the presentation file format is nice, because it is divided into pages. The first page would hold the main program, and the other pages could hold modules < 1117210336 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :making it image based would be fun < 1117210338 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :png programs :D < 1117210376 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. the world needs more non-ascii languages... < 1117210860 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm i think i need to write a spec for my language.. because no one can read my code (it is written in ruby an it's not easy to write write only code in ruby..) < 1117210969 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a spec is always nice :) < 1117211057 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruby! :) < 1117211108 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm going to write the spec in german and my own esoteric (non programming) language.. < 1117211146 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1117211172 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there is no spec for my language.. so have fun learning german ;) < 1117211201 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :english is so much easier than german < 1117211270 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.. sometimes i think german is an esoteric language < 1117211375 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah. well, it has an excessively complicated syntax... < 1117211394 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :german is simple if you speak my kind of german < 1117211404 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is just 'das' followed by whatever you would say in english < 1117211449 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the "methods" get spelled different if they have different arguments .. and the arguments get spelled different if they have different methods and.... < 1117211519 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like having strcmp(a,b) stringcmp{A "Hallo"} strcomp[``Hallo'',$0b] ;) < 1117211579 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: are you german, btw? < 1117211581 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and a funny german sentence: die, die die , die die diesel tanks angezündet haben, gefangen haben, sind schlau. it's valid syntax < 1117211583 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1117211620 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch. what does it mean? < 1117211636 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my german is not good enough for that kind of sentences... < 1117211674 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's: those who catched those who ... < 1117211691 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1117211712 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 die's isn't that common but 3 are < 1117211748 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there are so many irregular things in the german language... < 1117211783 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny norwegian sentence which, contrary to yours I believe, is used a lot: er det det det er? < 1117211810 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what does it mean? < 1117211822 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that what it is? < 1117211839 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the answer could be (if positive): det er det det er. < 1117211851 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :having the same word for that, what and it is awesome :D < 1117211870 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I guess what is just the interrogative case version of it < 1117211878 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in german: ist es das was es ist answer: es ist das was es ist < 1117211914 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it can't really be directly translated to what, but it's as close as it gets < 1117211914 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know inform ? < 1117211951 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :inform? no < 1117211952 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the text-adventure language ? < 1117211975 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the documentation for the german lib must be 10 times the size of the english one < 1117212009 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1117212055 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :declination(??) of nouns is fun... < 1117212055 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be interesting to make an esolang based on german grammar (like jix's examples) < 1117212063 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in spanish there's a sentence saying: "¿Cómo cómo como? Como como como" < 1117212078 0 :malaprop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's because the English word "variable" in German is "Gebudenkraftworkendomesserschmidt". < 1117212090 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1117212096 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kraftwork? :o < 1117212097 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :malaprop: loool < 1117212111 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable is.. Variable < 1117212140 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in CXI german it's 'das variable' < 1117212141 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: what does it mean? < 1117212151 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CXI: Die Variable < 1117212159 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable is masculine < 1117212161 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're thinking of real german :P < 1117212163 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ähh... < 1117212168 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :feminine ^^ < 1117212168 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1117212173 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, as I would put it < 1117212176 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :das real german :P < 1117212182 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :das echte deutsch < 1117212186 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kipple: it's like "Why [do you ask that] how do I eat? I eat as I eat" (actually there's one omission that is a little forced; it should start with "¿Cómo que cómo como?" < 1117212189 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1117212231 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :der CXI kann wohl kein wort deutsch < 1117212235 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: shouldn't it be: das echte Deutsch ? < 1117212256 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kipple: capitalization sucks ... < 1117212261 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1117212268 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix; mein hund ist kaput < 1117212278 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CXI: your dog is broken ? < 1117212283 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he certainly is < 1117212288 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my condolences < 1117212303 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's funny, I told him I could get him fixed, but he didn't like the idea < 1117212312 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in german you wouldn't say a dog is kaputt.. < 1117212327 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you would say verletzt or krank but not kaputt < 1117212351 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only things can be kaputt.. not animals or humans < 1117212357 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, no, I wanted it to literally translate to broken :D < 1117212373 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok... < 1117212389 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way I could make my awesome "fixed" double-entendre < 1117212391 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a german language.. you know applescript ? < 1117212399 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in some time there was a german and french applescript < 1117212436 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there was a time when some thought it a good idea to translate programming languages < 1117212464 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to remember having seen portugese pascal somewhere < 1117212466 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wenn der wert größer als 4 ist dann beepe == if the value is bigger than 4 then beep == valid apple script < 1117212514 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. my IRC client doesn't seem to handle german letters... < 1117212526 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's because i use utf-8 < 1117212535 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"how up do high knee" ^^ < 1117212560 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm. what?? < 1117212588 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how up do high knee == hau ab du heini == go away you idiot... it's just funny if you know english and german < 1117212623 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok back to decl < 1117213710 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...ping... anyone here ? < 1117213884 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1117213991 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok.. < 1117214308 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1117214379 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the decl parser is very difficult to implement < 1117214751 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what os do you (all) use ? < 1117214904 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNU/Linux < 1117214908 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :windows, but not for any good reason < 1117214920 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :osx < 1117214926 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, mainly because it's what I know, and linux is absolutely horrible to use if you don't know it < 1117214928 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mandr{ake,iva} to be specific. < 1117214939 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CXI: Stigma, not true. < 1117214943 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows mainly, but I also have a debian box < 1117214948 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not strigma < 1117214954 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, stigma < 1117214958 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's based on my own experiences < 1117214966 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With what? Debian? :P < 1117215003 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I *can* run linux, in fact I've done so on different occasions, but it's a pain because if something goes wrong, fixing it requires knowing exactly the right arcane sequence of commands and config files < 1117215026 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Xandros, Mandr{ake,iva}, Ubuntu, even Fedora have robust graphical configuration systems. < 1117215057 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mandriva is the worst name ever :P < 1117215063 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it is X-D < 1117215066 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, I had issues with it too < 1117215068 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Mandrake + Connectiva < 1117215080 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I'm not actually here, I'm at work, so *disappears* < 1117215186 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm happy with osx.. but sometimes i need windows (for windows only apps (fpga programming.. the linux tools aren't free (the last time i checked))) and my servers are running on debian(and if something goes wrong you have a problem) < 1117215280 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my machine is running debian and if something goes wrong I have a problem < 1117215300 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then at work I have Windows and if something goes wrong I have a problem < 1117215318 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my machine's running win2k and if something goes wrong I can probably fix it in ten minutes to an hour depending on what it is < 1117215339 0 :malaprop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All my machines run Linux and they don't have problems. < 1117215347 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a linux problem I could probably fix in comparable time provided I had access to the right documentation (ie internet), and it wasn't a really obscure problem that nobody else has ever had < 1117215365 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately I seem to attract the latter kind of problem :/ < 1117215414 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on windows i can fix problems as fast as an average windows user.. on debian i need 4 times the time a linux guru would need and on osx.. hmm what went wrong.. hmm i got kernel panics with an additional kernel extension so i removed it.. no other big problems < 1117215471 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait.. i wrote a perl script to batch delete files.. but.. executed it in the wrong terminal window.. (root and in the wrong directory) < 1117215517 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1117215520 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in debian most of the things that can go wrong are not the system's fault, but that's how FOSS works < 1117215520 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my /System/ directory was somewhat.. empty but a reinstall system keep user settings did it... < 1117215621 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in some sense you accept the bugs if you go the FOSS way < 1117215652 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and... well, the mainteinance pain too) < 1117215740 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every coder has his own idea on how things should work, and you have to know sed, perl, awk, makefiles, sh scripts and lots of other things < 1117215749 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with osx i don't want to use plain darwin (because if something goes wrong i have the same situation as with debian) but with osx on top it's a lot easier < 1117216935 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ewww sed, perl, awk, makefiles, sh scripts < 1117216937 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ewwwww < 1117217000 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some windows problems can be pretty bad < 1117217030 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it took me like a day to get rid of spyware my friend got < 1117217047 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now what's the last time you had a problem like that on a unix... < 1117217251 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hehe, windows is pretty complex when you go deeper than simple user level, especially with everything surrounding IE < 1117217757 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you don't need to use IE just because you use windows... < 1117217817 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't < 1117218114 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my friend didn't use IE... < 1117218132 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the spyware affected firefox equally well < 1117220290 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No spyware high-horses - GNU/Linux is just as susceptible to spyware as Windows is, so long as they're not in viral form. It's not very virus susceptible but it's still idiot-user susceptible. < 1117220323 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very true < 1117220419 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think my friend's an idiot :) < 1117220441 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... she uses firefox, at least, and doesn't open email from strangers < 1117220448 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and doesn't use OE) < 1117220488 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :man that thing was a mean piece of work < 1117220492 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :People package spyware in downloaded programs. You run them, you get spyware. There's no reason that that wouldn't work in ANY operating system, the only way to block it would be with the even worse big-brother trusted computing. < 1117220529 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes back to his job at Intel, a major supporter of trusted computing :P < 1117220534 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it prevented the antispyware programs from running, it changed all links to security/spyware websites, it somehow modified google search results < 1117220569 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not in safe mode, thankfully. But still that's rather impressive) < 1117220626 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and all of that in any browser < 1117220653 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's actually quite cool (in an evil way) < 1117220662 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1117220700 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now if only those who create such stuff would use their skills for sensible things instead < 1117220709 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes :( < 1117220715 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like esoteric programming languages, for instance... :) < 1117220778 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1117220784 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :somebody should write a spyware esolang < 1117220806 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with all your keystrokes as input and random popups as output < 1117220819 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a HQ9+ like thing ^^ STVCK Spy Trojan Virus Crash Keylog < 1117220839 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/back < 1117220971 0 :calamari!~calamari@dialup-4.240.241.127.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1117220996 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1117221003 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moin calamari < 1117221310 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi jix < 1117221541 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have about 100 lines of code for decl (without empty lines) < 1117221791 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :100 lines of decl code, or 100 lines of decl implementation in ruby? < 1117222222 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :100 lines of implementation... it loads all included files and splits the code into the modules < 1117223454 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :latest version of EsoShell is online: http://lilly.csoft.net/~jeffryj/EsoShell/ features: command line parsing ('"\), i/o redirection, ctrl-c=break < 1117223473 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be pretty good at this point :) < 1117223703 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, "echo a > b" does no longer print "a > b"? :) < 1117223720 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it still does < 1117223731 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope.. < 1117223751 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you need to reload? could be cached < 1117223763 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably it is... hm < 1117223794 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo a > b produces no output (as expected). cat b gives: a < 1117223859 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you happen about any way to force mozilla to reload which does not imply clearing the cache? < 1117223890 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :happen to know < 1117223911 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, sorry.. for testing I had to disable my cache and close/open firefox every time I want to retest < 1117223940 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can clear just the cached paged, though.. shouldn't lose much with that < 1117224017 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying... < 1117224134 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh cool, just realized I restructured my code in such a way that allowing >> is easier to do :) < 1117224144 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION adds it to the TODO list < 1117224159 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't found how to refresh < 1117224217 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>> doesn't work here < 1117224222 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: here is how I had to do it before I disabled my cache: 1) close all browser windows, 2) open fresh browser, clear the cache 3) try the page < 1117224236 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: doesn't work == ? < 1117224238 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :restarting mozilla is a pain for me < 1117224268 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: echo a >> b echo b >> b cat b gives just b < 1117224288 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: that's because I haven't implemented >> yet < 1117224348 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should be able to use > and < just fine, though < 1117224388 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :< is harder to test right now.. only pause and cat really use input < 1117224455 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afk.. shower < 1117225298 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl.. phone :) < 1117225304 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1117226079 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :np: The Flaming Sideburns - Drive On [ Sky Pilots ] < 1117228095 0 :calamari!~calamari@dialup-4.240.247.18.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1117228356 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb < 1117228440 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks :) < 1117229005 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: >> should be implemented now :) < 1117229024 0 :fizzie!fis@sesefras.tky.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1117229034 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi fizzie < 1117229039 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello. < 1117229084 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hadn't remembered to rejoin here, it seems. < 1117229195 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My girlfriend (accidentally, she claims) kicked the reset switch of my router/firewall box, sesefras, at 2005-05-20. Perhaps I should make this automagically connect to freenode too. < 1117229298 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi fizzie < 1117229641 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops, looks like I had left some debugging statements on.. fixed :) < 1117229903 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it just me or is meme.b9.com having issues? < 1117230790 0 :wooby!~wooby@66.57.219.125 JOIN :#esoteric < 1117231552 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :primitive bf interpreter on EsoShell (just wanted to get something up!) < 1117231664 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1117231666 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1117231954 0 :Keymaker!~Not@wire74.adsl.netsonic.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1117231967 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION appears mysteriously < 1117231974 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1117231984 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be a good time to read the logs.. < 1117232593 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Keymaker < 1117232631 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you're able to read them all in a row < 1117232675 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hio < 1117232790 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi wooby < 1117232807 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you install MediaWiki? < 1117233062 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rgh.. way too lazy to read it all.. could someone summary in one word what is going on? :) < 1117233065 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Keymaker. been away? < 1117233070 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1117233071 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or well < 1117233075 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one word: wiki < 1117233081 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: not yet... had some weird problem getting mysql working < 1117233085 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :studying x) < 1117233092 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1117233098 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheers kipple < 1117233101 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you been reading the mailinglist? < 1117233105 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me? < 1117233129 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, you < 1117233140 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, sir < 1117233145 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't read the esolang list < 1117233151 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only friends of brainfuck < 1117233165 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. then you might want to read this: http://www.formauri.es/personal/pgimeno/misc/elpp.html < 1117233226 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aargh too much text < 1117233233 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm too lazy to read anything :) < 1117233241 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, i'll take a look then.. < 1117233282 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know when you last were here, but in short we're trying to make an alternative to wikipedia, as a place to store info about esolangs < 1117233349 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably four days ago < 1117233352 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess < 1117233356 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1117233361 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good project < 1117233375 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice to see well coordinated (?) work :) < 1117233394 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the consensus seems to be on using mediawiki, but the files section has not been decided yet < 1117233446 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's the site: http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/ < 1117233502 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1117233572 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kipple: will that be the main site? < 1117233583 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it should be possible to attach to every page an spec, an tutorial, many examples.. like Brainfuck Brainfuck:Tutorial Brainfuck:Specs Brainfuck:Examples < 1117233618 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do that < 1117233640 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this project seems really good, it think it's good that these language can get archived < 1117233646 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kipple: if so, i'd be glad to point esolangs.org at it < 1117233667 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's a good idea. < 1117233695 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey you own esolangs.org? :) < 1117233716 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keymaker: indeed < 1117233749 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1117233949 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm taking a rest for today, I've got many things a bit outdated < 1117233964 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1117233982 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I mean a rest about the wiki etc) < 1117234011 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rest in peace, pgimeno ;) < 1117234049 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1117234055 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah.. rest.. < 1117234060 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd need rest.. < 1117234092 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try writing a Malbolge quine. That should relax you < 1117234100 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION dies < 1117234118 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1117234132 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i'll try some brainfuck < 1117234132 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-PPPPP < 1117234133 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or write a HQ9++ quine with 2 Q's in the sourcecode < 1117234146 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1117234191 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more seriously, I'd like to write the Malbolge entry in the wiki < 1117234206 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please do! < 1117234218 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as soon as I'm done with other priorities < 1117234225 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1117234234 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that will be interesting < 1117234236 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm going to write a decl entry as soon as decl is finished < 1117234242 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :decl? < 1117234250 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my new esolang < 1117234255 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me more! < 1117234256 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION points to the log < 1117234261 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grggg < 1117234270 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :link me up, kipple! < 1117234284 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now /me moves on instead of chit-chatting all the time < 1117234289 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keymaker: it needs 4 'threads' to AND 2 bits < 1117234318 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are the threads? < 1117234395 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they arn't real threads < 1117234404 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what are they < 1117234422 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea what that word means < 1117234442 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm.. it's easier to explain with a working interpreter and some examples < 1117234445 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keymaker: btw, I finally have the linux binary version of Kipple up on the web site if your still interested < 1117234459 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1117234484 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmh kipple site is updated! < 1117234515 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the site looks nice! < 1117234528 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll switch to linux, i'll be back soon. < 1117234530 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Freedom!" < 1117234707 0 :Keymaker!~a@wire74.adsl.netsonic.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1117234735 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1117234746 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was fast. was that a reboot? < 1117234783 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1117234803 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not bad < 1117234853 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :glad you liked the new look. just switching from Times to Arial does wonders.... < 1117234864 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1117234871 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the colours are changed a bit < 1117234872 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in links < 1117234874 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1117234876 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1117234909 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I first applied a style sheet, I couldn't just use the same old blue/purple links. < 1117234930 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1117234997 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rhhhh can't get it working. i wish i could use this better < 1117235000 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it complains something about < 1117235015 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"cannot open shared object file.." < 1117235036 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably i'm missing some stuff < 1117235041 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what linux are you running? < 1117235057 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's this mandrake 10.0 < 1117235066 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and here I thought it didn't depend on anything :( < 1117235078 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably i'm just missing some stuff < 1117235169 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it say which object file it cannot find? < 1117235191 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :libgcj < 1117235197 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that < 1117235203 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. makes sense < 1117235210 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, what was the compiling line you told me back then? < 1117235215 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I thought it wouldn't depend on that < 1117235218 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll try to compile the source < 1117235231 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(probably can't get that working either ;)) < 1117235235 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't have libgcj I don't think you'll have much luck < 1117235270 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm :( < 1117235284 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcj --main=Kipple Kipple.jar -o kipple < 1117235287 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hola < 1117235342 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tried that now < 1117235345 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't work < 1117235351 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate computers!!!!1 < 1117235365 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for now on i will just program brainfuck on paper < 1117235367 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they hate you too < 1117235370 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1117235452 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kipple; you could try compiling a binary with "-static" perhaps. < 1117235467 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the option I'm looking for? < 1117235477 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try it, whatever it is! :) < 1117235498 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what option you are looking for, but it should link it statically and thusly include the necessary libraries in the executable. < 1117235512 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds cool! < 1117235517 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's exactly what I was browsing the docs for... < 1117235530 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try it now if you can! ;) < 1117235532 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm trying to calculate prime numbers using kipple.. < 1117235542 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's cool! < 1117235575 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got a lot of warnings, and a 4 megabyte executable, but it seems to work < 1117235605 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of warnings? < 1117235609 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try it Keymaker < 1117235631 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1117235634 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where to get it? < 1117235648 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same place, same file (just much bigger) < 1117235652 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'ok < 1117235672 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Now with even more fun." < 1117235674 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: great! always nice to hear people using it :D < 1117235743 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the warnings are: < 1117235743 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warning: Using '' in statically linked applications requires at runtime < 1117235743 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the shared libraries from the glibc version used for linking < 1117235807 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :replace with dlopen, getpwuid_r, gethostbyaddr_r and gethostbyname_r < 1117235858 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, it looks like it will still require glibc. But thats much better than requiring libgcj! < 1117235865 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. Well, with any luck your glibc versions do match. < 1117235899 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use 3.3.5 < 1117235904 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arg..?? dividing 2 numbers using kipple < 1117235921 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe. the joys of esoteric progamming :) < 1117235946 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed is almost like an esoteric language, too. < 1117235974 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :w00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000t < 1117235977 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works! :D < 1117235980 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay! < 1117235989 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what gcc version do you have? < 1117236003 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me? < 1117236034 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1117236040 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1117236046 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, well. it works < 1117236050 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ye < 1117236050 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1117236052 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i' < 1117236053 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ll < 1117236060 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try to program something < 1117236073 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though the compiled version ran twice as slow as the regular on my computer < 1117236077 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :G'night, people. (0122am localtime.) < 1117236094 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nite < 1117236102 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good night < 1117236175 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw; that your bfpretty.b is neat, kipple < 1117236196 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've planned a bit similar idea, that i will do sometime < 1117236221 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it will make code like ,[-[-[++++]]] look like < 1117236223 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :, < 1117236224 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ < 1117236228 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : - < 1117236238 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hopefully there is two spaces) < 1117236244 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : [ < 1117236246 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, the opposite of bfpretty? < 1117236248 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : - < 1117236252 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1117236253 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda < 1117236255 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1117236259 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha :) < 1117236265 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could call it bfugly then :D :D < 1117236271 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1117236278 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i will < 1117236280 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good name ida < 1117236283 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*idea < 1117236283 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, that would be REALLY nice < 1117236297 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1117236302 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i'll do it, then < 1117236313 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean start soon < 1117236330 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe even the mandelbrot program will be understandable then... < 1117236356 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't think so.. :p < 1117236379 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, you're probably right < 1117236388 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :naturally the program won't be able to do anything intelligent like keep [>+<-] on one line or so < 1117236398 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would, too bad, break that on several lines < 1117236427 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take you are writing it in BF then? < 1117236432 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :naturally < 1117236436 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1117236442 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought i said that somewhere < 1117236447 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1117236459 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i didn't :) < 1117236472 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i forgot to say that i'm writing it in bf < 1117236513 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, could you run ls -l /lib/libc.so.* on your linux box, and see which libc-version you get? < 1117236516 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kipple: your language is insane < 1117236523 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT??? < 1117236531 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1117236534 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :programming language < 1117236541 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I understood that < 1117236548 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1117236557 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what to read there < 1117236561 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i JUST want to divide 2 numbers.. it's 10x as hard as with bf < 1117236568 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is? < 1117236572 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is. < 1117236585 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bf: [-->+<] ;) < 1117236594 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1117236600 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't read properly < 1117236611 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read it 'divide number with two' < 1117236622 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x] < 1117236684 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the next version of Kipple will allow code modules, so then you can write a division stack once, and then reuse it... < 1117236687 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok until a is 0 i subtract 1 from a and b < 1117236726 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have to divide just check if 2 values are dividable.. (modulo)