< 1114925003 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1114934399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1114934400 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1114935973 0 :mtve!mtve@mtve.vm.jvds.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1114943468 0 :kipple!~kipple@163.80-202-100.nextgentel.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1114958238 0 :pgimeno!pgimeno@124.Red-80-59-211.pooles.rima-tde.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1114958260 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello! < 1114958291 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's not just a tale... this channel does actually exist < 1114958923 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: just curious, will the Cat's Eye pages content include a discussion on the several languages and paradigms, as the original did? < 1114961819 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damnit, I want to write a debugger for HQ9+ but the specs do not mention the initial value nor the limit value for the accumulator < 1114961897 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it supposed to be run in a 32-bit binary computer? < 1114962048 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1114962250 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so many broken specs out there... how is one supposed to debug a HQ9+ program if he can't even know the current value of the accumulator? < 1114962442 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if it's customary to introduce oneself here, anyway I'm Pedro Gimeno from Spain and I'm a esoteric languages fan - my current project is a Malbolge program that copies input to output AND stops on EOF < 1114962462 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a esoteric -> an esoteric < 1114962488 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello. and how do you define EOF? < 1114962521 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EOF as read from standard input comes in as the number 59048 in Malbolge < 1114962559 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yep. < 1114962573 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so far nobody has succeeded in writing a Malbolge program that does a conditional jump in Malbolge, that's what I'm trying now < 1114962616 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting. < 1114962751 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm actually using many of Lou Scheffer's directions < 1114962926 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there are so many caveats he doesn't mention < 1114964055 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've so far written a Malbolge debugger in Python and a cat program in Malbolge which does not stop on EOF - if someone's interested I can post it on the web < 1114964092 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was such program already afair, was it yours? < 1114964141 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, by Lou Scheffer indeed < 1114964158 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, but Lou Scheffer's one cheats < 1114964163 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses >127 chars < 1114964166 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine doesn't < 1114964218 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, post it somewhere. btw it seems the server with your homepage does not respond. < 1114964248 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, which one? I migrated it somewhere else not long ago < 1114964267 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're right < 1114964286 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :www.formauri.es/personal/pgimeno/ < 1114964320 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it will be back online soon < 1114964338 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no problem, there is a google cache. < 1114964473 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://perso.wanadoo.es/p.gimeno/temp/mbd.py <-- Malbolge debugger < 1114964491 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://perso.wanadoo.es/p.gimeno/temp/catnoeof.mb <-- CAT program which does not consider EOF < 1114964592 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess Lou's cat does not understand EOF as well? < 1114964608 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does exactly the same as this, except for the >127 chars < 1114964925 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :post it to esoteric maillist < 1114964982 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you think it will be of interest there? < 1114965028 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, formauri.es is back online; it was probably on mainteinance or something < 1114965067 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the list was dead quite a long time, any letter could resurrect it :) < 1114965098 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't hold any esolang stuff in there so far; I was about to write a page dedicated to Malbolge as the result of working on this < 1114965119 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm afraid of mailinglists (too much time consumed) < 1114965201 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :time? there were only two mails this year. irc consumes much more time. < 1114965221 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1114965232 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, where do I subscribe? < 1114965393 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo subscribe lang | mail listar@esoteric.sange.fi < 1114965528 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1114965952 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :done < 1114966015 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :great, it works. also i've found a bug in my interpreter :) < 1114966076 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not surprising; the reference interpreter is already quite buggy < 1114966111 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are all damned :P < 1114966118 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1114974480 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does someone have the Rube and Rube II distributions? < 1114974594 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could only recover the Rube 1.02 C source, examples and docs from the Wayback machine < 1114975510 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://web.archive.org/web/20020601172059/www.catseye.mb.ca/esoteric/alpaca/redgreen/index.html ? < 1114975574 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.jaapan.de/en/myprg.php?page=progs2 < 1114975823 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! thanks < 1114976226 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, apparently RedGreen is included in the Alpaca distribution < 1115008820 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1115020799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1115020800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1115027171 0 :puzzlet!~puzzlet@61.247.148.38 JOIN :#esoteric < 1115039711 0 :kipple!~kipple@163.80-202-100.nextgentel.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1115069262 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1115089018 0 :GregorR!~GregorR@c-24-21-138-66.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1115089048 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anybody want to try out my combination of BrainFuck and CoreWars? Essentially, you have two BrainFuckish programs running concurrently, and their data space is the opponent's program space. < 1115089061 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The objective being to crash the opponent. < 1115090035 0 :rollman!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1115090119 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1115102218 0 :GregorR-L!~GregorR-L@c-24-21-138-66.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1115107199 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1115107200 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1115113730 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1115115073 0 :kipple!~kipple@163.80-202-100.nextgentel.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1115127489 0 :cmeme!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1115127489 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1115127489 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1115127489 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1115127489 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1115127489 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1115127581 0 :kipple!~kipple@163.80-202-100.nextgentel.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1115127581 0 :cmeme!~cmeme@216.184.11.2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1115127581 0 :fizzie!fis@sesefras.tky.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1115127581 0 :cpressey!nobody@154.20.76.195 JOIN :#esoteric < 1115127581 0 :Taaus!~T@cpe.atm0-0-0-196156.0x3ef21ebe.boanxx5.customer.tele.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1115127581 0 :lindi-!~lindi@kulho150.adsl.netsonic.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1115129348 0 :puzzlet!~puzzlet@61.247.148.38 JOIN :#esoteric < 1115134653 0 :Keymaker!~Not@wire74.adsl.netsonic.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1115134819 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorG; interesting idea < 1115134850 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have the language specification uploaded anywhere as txt, because sourceforge board removes spaces < 1115134865 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well; sounds pretty cool pgimeno! < 1115134903 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have time to create a page dedicated for malbolge it would be cool < 1115134912 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't understand anything about that language < 1115134944 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it would be nice to read more about it. < 1115137563 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Freedom!" < 1115139832 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh damn < 1115139896 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION speaks to the log < 1115139944 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happened? < 1115139970 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no big deal, just that I couldn't speak to Keymaker before he left < 1115140298 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keymaker: I'm still on it, but my page won't be dedicated to the language itself; the excellent article in Wikipedia already has a good description on that. I'm just working on trying to let the language be useable to some extent. < 1115158146 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1115158174 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahh, good ol' malbolge. It's like killing yourself ... only more painful :-P < 1115158233 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone have anywhere appropriate for me to upload FYB? It's not big, but I'd really rather not upload it to one of my unrelated SF projects..... < 1115158577 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wee-ell, I could keep it on befunge.org, but that place doesn't have any 99% availability guarantees, and there's.. well, no front page to advertise it on. Also, access (for updates and the like) to it a bit tricky, I have this http://gehennom.org/doc/knock/ thing there. < 1115159170 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. That's actually pretty damn cool < 1115159301 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure I could get knock working, it doesn't seem that complex (run knocker, log in within 30 secs). And I certainly wouldn't need to advertize it there *shrugs* < 1115159681 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmn, well, if intermittent network problems ("whoops, our student village network went down") aren't an obstacle, I could create a place for it. I'd just need an RSA (or DSA) public key in OpenSSH (or PuTTY) format, the sshd here only accepts public key authentication. Then you could use sftp/scp for file transfer. (A shell script of 'knocker ; sftp [blah]' makes it even quite painless.) < 1115172277 0 :rollman!~rollman@adsl-18-80-50.sdf.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1115173328 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1115181299 0 :heatsink!cirodrig@10-223-3-58.halo.soltec.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1115181656 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hoopla! ^_^ http://www.befunge.org/fyb/ < 1115181749 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anybody want to challenge me at Befunge? :) < 1115181754 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1115181760 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION needs to read before he hits enter. < 1115181767 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anybody want to challenge me at FukYorBrane? :) < 1115181846 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll give it a go. < 1115181868 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I should read this README first. < 1115181913 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Definitely ;) < 1115181925 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not the one on the forum, I've changed it a bit >_> < 1115182061 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok... < 1115182294 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a command greater than 16 is a NOP? < 1115182312 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it loops. < 1115182314 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16 + 1 = 0 < 1115182327 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird, base 17 arithmetic < 1115182334 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:) < 1115182348 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also made it possible to have no decrement. < 1115182353 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because decrementing is for pussies. < 1115182380 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I refer to, of course, weak or feeble-minded people, no female genetalia. < 1115182431 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes for slow code though < 1115182437 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, let's see what I can do. < 1115182473 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The slow code is part of the idea - it takes a long time to do complex logical operations, so the other program has a chance to do quick evil things. < 1115182482 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It balanced out simple-vs-complex a bit. < 1115182501 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've spent WAY too much time on design in this "language" :-P < 1115182873 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If two programs are both in a {>} loop, is it possible for an infinite loop? < 1115182937 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, when you > past the end of the program, it comes back to the beginning. < 1115182945 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So eventually one would find the other pointer. < 1115182953 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus, it won't go more than 10,000,000 ticks. < 1115182983 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both pointers are moving simultaneously. I'd like to know if it's possible that they will always miss each other. < 1115183033 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{ checks if program As data pointer is on top of program Bs program pointer. Program Bs program pointer is just going in a tiny loop, it's not constantly moving. < 1115183045 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's feasable, it could be like this: < 1115183051 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, how to represent this... < 1115183087 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : {>} {>} {>} {>} < 1115183087 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :d d d d < 1115183087 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : p p p p < 1115183105 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't think that would work, since the data pointer can never move as fast as the program pointer. < 1115183132 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my twisted mind that's a Matrix scene :-P < 1115183138 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1115183253 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I should have mentioned that in the README. < 1115183287 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the principles behind FYB is that the data pointer can never move as fast as the program pointer it's chasing, because it will take at least three commands to move the data pointer with any sort of logic. < 1115183344 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1115183449 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is so afraid that you're going to quickly write a program that will whoop all my programs' arses :-P < 1115183683 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mebbe. Dunno. < 1115184030 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1115184035 0 :rollman!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1115184036 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1115184036 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1115184037 0 :cmeme!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1115184037 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1115184037 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1115184093 0 :heatsink!cirodrig@10-223-3-58.halo.soltec.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1115184093 0 :rollman!~rollman@adsl-18-80-50.sdf.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1115184093 0 :cmeme!~cmeme@216.184.11.2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1115184093 0 :fizzie!fis@sesefras.tky.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1115184093 0 :cpressey!nobody@154.20.76.195 JOIN :#esoteric < 1115184093 0 :Taaus!~T@cpe.atm0-0-0-196156.0x3ef21ebe.boanxx5.customer.tele.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1115184093 0 :lindi-!~lindi@kulho150.adsl.netsonic.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1115184116 0 :calamari!~calamari@dialup-4.240.242.92.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1115184562 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I beat mangler, but lose to logicex < 1115184587 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I reinvented your trick of a one-time-through thread at the beginning of the program. < 1115184673 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since I use that trick in every single one, I don't think it matters ;-P < 1115184682 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless by "reinvented" you mean "made significantly better" < 1115184691 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :logicex is my trophy *shrugs* < 1115184710 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd also try findAndDestroy, though with the one-time-through-thread at the beginning it ought to be no problem. < 1115184759 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is defect status per thread? < 1115184776 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1115184784 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1115184806 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmmmmm, just noticed something that may be a bug... < 1115184808 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My one time through impl is a little bit simpler, just a few [+]s < 1115184841 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you fork, it ought to gain the parent-process' defect status... < 1115184845 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't think that it is... < 1115184847 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*checks* < 1115184869 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :findanddestroy won. < 1115184892 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then there's probably something snarky about your once-through thread. < 1115184900 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's designed to keep findAndDestroy busy < 1115184910 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oop, I indeed screwed up that inheritance... < 1115184913 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*fixfixfix* < 1115185048 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a0.5 released with that fix :-P < 1115185059 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115185068 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One line difference :-P < 1115185249 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, was fun. I'm off now. < 1115185256 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1115188072 0 :bells6003!bells6003@222-152-82-174.jetstream.xtra.co.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1115188122 0 :bells6003!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1115190346 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatcha playing? < 1115190853 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FukYorBrane :) < 1115190865 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a combination of BrainFuck and CoreWars. < 1115190870 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See http://www.befunge.org/fyb/ < 1115190911 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha cool idea.. corewars is an oldie but goodie < 1115191524 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, a friend introduced me to it and I thought I could sort of one-up the evil :-P < 1115193599 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1115193600 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1115199240 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1115201815 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : If two programs are both in a {>} loop, is it possible for an infinite loop? < 1115201815 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : No, when you > past the end of the program, it comes back to the beginning. < 1115201847 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering... what about each program running in the opposite direction to the other? < 1115210959 0 :kipple!~kipple@163.80-202-100.nextgentel.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1115221857 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you < past the beginning, it does NOT go to the end. < 1115221860 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only > loops < 1115221901 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If < looped, then <[+]+++++++++++++++! would be the perfect bomb - you're 100% guaranteed to hit the last command. < 1115222058 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my idea (or better my random thought) was that > increments for one of the programs and decrements for the other < 1115222115 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the code pointer increases for one of the programs and decreases for the other < 1115222137 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, like one program actually runs in reverse. < 1115222150 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a mirror command :-P < 1115222169 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1115222192 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, the idea is to confront them, not to use a mirror command < 1115222242 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it sticks the two chunks of code at opposite ends of the same program space and they go towards eachother? (Or still different program space?) < 1115222297 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but totally transparently (i.e. no program knows if it's going in the forward or reverse direction) < 1115222309 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course < 1115222321 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a crazy idea, anyway < 1115222339 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are totally free to implement it ;) < 1115222353 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1115222371 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm already busy with my malbolge 'cat' < 1115222387 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, malbolge can keep you busy all right X-D < 1115222411 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've managed to get it working by preloading the memory; now I need to set that memory up via an initialization routine < 1115222443 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's actually even harder < 1115222494 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION returns to malbolging < 1115224011 0 :puzzlet!~puzzlet@61.247.148.38 JOIN :#esoteric < 1115226358 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fnur... befunge.org (and thus FYB, too) will be offline for a few minutes (I hope) now, as I install a third NIC to the router box. < 1115226473 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"(switching NICs.)" < 1115227917 0 :fizzie!~fizban@sesefras.gehennom.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1115229847 0 :puzlet!~puzzlet@61.247.148.38 JOIN :#esoteric < 1115229851 0 :puzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1115230010 0 :puzlet!~puzzlet@61.247.148.38 JOIN :#esoteric < 1115230012 0 :puzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1115230284 0 :GregorR-L!~GregorR-L@host-226-136.dhcp.pdx.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1115231370 0 :Keymaker!~Not@wire74.adsl.netsonic.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1115231376 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1115231385 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, it's crowded here today :) < 1115231621 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: ok < 1115232556 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Keymaker < 1115232646 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1115232656 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi all :) < 1115232658 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sorry about delay, i wasn't in front of computer) < 1115232659 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1115232688 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no prob, I wasn't either < 1115232693 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115232697 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anybody beat my FYB logicex program yet? :-P < 1115232715 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess not < 1115232717 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115232729 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It helps to be the one who wrote the language :-P < 1115232737 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1115232749 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least sometimes (like in malbolge ;)) < 1115232754 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1115232768 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also helps to simply not be malbolge ;) < 1115232780 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1115232789 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dis is not so evilish < 1115232796 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that? < 1115232803 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't heard of that < 1115232824 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dis is a language designed by Ben Olmstead too, seeing that Malbolge succeeded just too much in being unuseable < 1115232842 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1115232849 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dis is also the name of the virtual machine within the Inferno computer operating system. Dis was designed to execute programs written in the programming language Limbo. < 1115232858 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you Wikipedia! :-P < 1115232861 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, that too :) < 1115232887 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back to writing a formal report about fake things I don't care about. < 1115232898 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, good luck < 1115232934 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115232946 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any info about dis anywhere? < 1115232958 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sample programs? language info? < 1115233069 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, there's the old page by Ben in the web archive < 1115233084 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than that, it's not very popular < 1115233105 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically it's the same as Malbolge but removing the encryption and self-modification < 1115233138 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame < 1115233143 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where's the pain? < 1115233147 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1115233171 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it still has a program counter and a data conter, both being auto-increased < 1115233178 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rgh < 1115233183 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not my taste :) < 1115233186 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1115233196 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only for masochists like me :P < 1115233200 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115233236 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm brainfuck programmed < 1115233242 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1115233246 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean programmer < 1115233249 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've also tasted BF, it rocks! < 1115233253 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1115233277 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've written an esoteric languages article in spanish, I have a half-translation somewhere... < 1115233285 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1115233291 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BF is the "star" of the article < 1115233296 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115233302 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck is just simply so cool < 1115233310 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's because it has everyting < 1115233315 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've also written an optimizing interpreter < 1115233318 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in eight powerful instructions < 1115233324 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's good :) < 1115233334 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it runs fairly fast < 1115233348 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BF is really quite interesting. It's about the most "pure" example of a turing machine. < 1115233353 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's programming on so simple level, i love the instructions :) < 1115233362 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1115233380 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once made a non-rule-checking checkers game in BF. < 1115233387 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1115233390 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what that game is? < 1115233397 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, optimizing interpreter plus debugger, I must add < 1115233411 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it just had a board, and the user just said "move this piece there" < 1115233418 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It didn't verify that anything was done legally :-P < 1115233423 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1115233427 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what is chekers game? < 1115233446 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohhhhhhhhh. Hmm. Wikipedia to the rescue I think....... < 1115233451 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115233478 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does "Draughts" ring a bell? < 1115233481 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Checkers < 1115233484 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1115233502 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i recognize the game < 1115233508 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't played nor know rules though < 1115233531 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1115233531 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a checkers game in BF? < 1115233540 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A very limited checkers game in BF. < 1115233545 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I cheated and used a C preprocessor. < 1115233546 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1115233561 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe, well, some tricks can be used < 1115233567 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1115233583 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, my harddisk crashed so it's lost :'( < 1115233587 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a printout somewhere X-D < 1115233590 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1115233597 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm' < 1115233603 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i could code a game like that < 1115233608 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i'd learn the rules < 1115233614 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, it would be cool if it appeared as a type-in program in a magazine :P < 1115233621 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115233623 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wasn't so much challenging as incredibly mind-numningly painful *shrugs* < 1115233633 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1115233765 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's my article in English (the translation is still preliminary; needs some work, and some parts still need to be translated): http://perso.wanadoo.es/p.gimeno/temp/Articles/EsotericLanguages.html < 1115233791 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the optimizing interpreter/debugger was written as a companion for that article; it's linked somewhere < 1115233791 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll take a look, seems interesting :) < 1115233797 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1115233838 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like a debugger 8-D < 1115233849 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for your FYB? < 1115233914 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, for BF ;) < 1115233917 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :direct link to the debugger: http://perso.wanadoo.es/p.gimeno/files/brfd10.zip < 1115233921 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there you have :) < 1115233927 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hoopla :) < 1115233997 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooooooh, let's see if I can find this....... < 1115234020 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a 2D language (a la PATH) that had only two operations that were overloaded by direction...... < 1115234027 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1115234049 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems interesting :) < 1115234061 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1115234062 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(about bf interpreters; there are thousands of them!!!!) < 1115234068 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, true fact. < 1115234071 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've written one :-P < 1115234109 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use it though, I just wrote it for kicks. < 1115234117 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, every man and his dog's BF interpreter < 1115234118 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah < 1115234136 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I want to test simple code I usually look for one in JS < 1115234152 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HEY, I've still got my code 8-D < 1115234158 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For 2l that is < 1115234160 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coolio < 1115234173 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1115234181 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mind if I paste the code to make an H (8 lines) < 1115234188 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go ahead!! < 1115234189 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't < 1115234193 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :##################################+ < 1115234193 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : +# < 1115234193 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : *#***********************************************************************+ < 1115234193 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : *# * < 1115234193 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : +## # < 1115234195 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : + # < 1115234197 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : *# < 1115234199 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : + < 1115234201 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, wrapped a bit. < 1115234212 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's three instructions < 1115234216 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do they do? < 1115234224 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(looks pretty interesting though!) < 1115234226 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# isn't an instruction, it's just my way of remembering where I am X-D < 1115234227 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I count four < 1115234230 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1115234233 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1115234237 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* and + are the instructions < 1115234244 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1115234246 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote a bf interpreter when I couldn't find one with a working single-step mode. :p < 1115234248 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a space is a nop, then? < 1115234255 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1115234261 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And one in scheme when I had nothing to do.) < 1115234261 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like BF, anything that isn't a command is a comment < 1115234273 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1115234279 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting looking language < 1115234283 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* = all stack and IO operations, + = branch < 1115234285 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have language specification anywhere? < 1115234293 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly, lesse... < 1115234340 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, in the article I propose a BF challenge (which can be split into three): write the shortest possible BF code which stores the number 111 in a memory position < 1115234410 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that number is deliberately outside of Franz Faase's table (of course) < 1115234420 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll try that soon! < 1115234432 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(must go now for a while, someone else wants to use this computer) < 1115234437 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok < 1115234443 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't find the spec, but I can rewrite it. < 1115234450 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1115234455 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye for a while < 1115234455 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice if you do, GregorR-L < 1115234461 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :later Keymaker < 1115234505 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn, I didn't provide a license for brfd... < 1115234568 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's say it's public domain < 1115234716 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, brfd broke an ANSI C standard regarding the length of a string constant (the help text of the debugger was too long) < 1115235149 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darn, I don't think this is my latest revision of 2L ... damn my hard disk failure >_O < 1115235270 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, such a pity < 1115235289 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, a spec would do < 1115235357 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it Whirl-like? does it have a wheel of opcodes? < 1115235364 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1115235374 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The op it runs depends on the direction of the program flow. < 1115235390 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I understand < 1115235463 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.befunge.org/fyb/2l/README < 1115235488 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If that logic tree is to totally random to decipher, tell me, I might be able to change it around a bit :-P < 1115235541 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I even had a 2l compiler before my HD crash :( < 1115235548 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, there is an interpreter. < 1115235551 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's something. < 1115235594 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1115235651 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW, 2L stands for "The 2 Language" < 1115235845 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say it has two symbols rather than two operations < 1115235892 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BrainFuck (and 2l, apparently) operate on a tape, not a stack. A stack would be a FIFO structure. Other than that, looks like a language I wouldn't want to _have_ to use for some real project. :) < 1115235899 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH. < 1115235906 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, wording = me not smart < 1115235937 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a stack would be a LIFO ;) < 1115235946 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1115235950 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nnngh. Yes. < 1115235953 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a queue. < 1115236018 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it has that amazing simplicity that makes up a funny esoteric language :) < 1115236033 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like it < 1115236060 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115236071 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to see a stable homepage for it < 1115236084 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You got one to offer? ;) < 1115236091 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more or less :) < 1115236109 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You #esoteric people are so nice 8-D < 1115236134 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to consult it, but I can't give you write access, I just can post your page and maybe your changes < 1115236167 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen so many esoteric language pages being lost < 1115236192 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(README updated) < 1115236227 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION updates < 1115236254 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just changed stack to tape and operation to symbol < 1115236289 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect a Hello World will be huge... < 1115236296 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was four pages printed out. < 1115236303 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's on the wall of my cubicle... < 1115236311 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cubical? However you spell that. < 1115236328 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cubicle looks right < 1115236333 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat :) < 1115236355 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a board on my wall that says "BEWARE OF ESOTERIC PROGRAMMING" and has that, some BF and some FYB posted :-P < 1115236372 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, cool < 1115236397 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone know something about BLANK? is it 2D? < 1115236440 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to classify my bookmarks < 1115236461 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort, even < 1115236494 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unsure *shrugs* < 1115236514 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: in about one hour I can tell you if I can host your 2L page < 1115236558 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Iirc blank wasn't 2d. < 1115236570 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't look like it's 2D, yeah. < 1115236579 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'm off to eat lunch. < 1115236580 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BBIAB < 1115236591 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :later GregorR-L < 1115236591 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1115236620 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I haven't read the description thoroughly, but I've read this: "Blank is a combination of Befunge, False, and Brainf*ck,[...]" < 1115236649 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wondered if the befungity came from being 2D < 1115236731 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1115236739 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back finally < 1115236741 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :re, Keymaker < 1115236761 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember anything really befungey about blank, but I have to admit I don't remember any details about the language. < 1115236784 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're sure it's not 2D, that's enough for me, thanks < 1115236813 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the sake of simplicity there should be language using only space and new-line :) < 1115236835 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe not < 1115236849 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's Whitespace, not to be confused with Blank :) < 1115236908 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah so there's two? < 1115236918 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i always thought there was just one, never noticed that :) < 1115236926 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blank is not about spaces, I think < 1115236944 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1115237070 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the befungey parts of blank are its stack-basedness, plus the instruction set is befunge-inspired. The program sits in a one-dimensional ring, however. < 1115237142 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohic < 1115237169 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i gotta ask GregorR-L if i can continue his 2l < 1115237171 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :idea < 1115237175 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit < 1115237184 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd have some plans for it < 1115237192 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not in the same form < 1115237197 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or well < 1115237217 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean with that that i would change the language a bit and its name as well < 1115237250 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I agree it could be better < 1115237347 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem with Blank is that there's no example in the web pages to figure out what it looks like... well, the description has some snippets but not enough as to get an idea < 1115237376 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION takes a look at the distribution < 1115237414 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, there are a few examples there < 1115237687 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION slaps forehead < 1115237701 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should have looked in www.99-bottles-of-beer.net < 1115237830 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is really fascinating site :) < 1115237841 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way, iirc it has that for malbolge as well < 1115237857 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that probably means someone has managed to make some loop stuff or something? < 1115237946 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :No route to host < 1115237955 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooo < 1115237966 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is just a printf | gzip | uuencode < 1115237966 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to http://www.lscheffer.com/malbolge.html it just prints the correct string, does not use a loop. < 1115237986 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no way < 1115237990 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1115238019 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the day I see a true 99 Bottles of Beer in Malbolge... < 1115238021 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then there's "nothing special" :) < 1115238037 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's fairly easy to make it spit whatever text < 1115238048 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how? < 1115238068 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just rotate and op like crazy < 1115238094 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure how.. < 1115238132 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if you normalize the 99BoB you can see that it just performs about one rotate and two ops per character < 1115238174 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the canonical Malbolge interpreter has the "feature"(?) of the output being modulo 256 < 1115238187 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is quite against the spirit of Malbolge, btw < 1115238193 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1115238208 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be modulo 243 if the CPU has trinary pins < 1115238276 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you prepare a memory area adequately, a rotate followed by an op or two gets the correct character < 1115238336 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's theory, though; I haven't tried myself < 1115238384 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115238391 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm now concentrated in getting the memory contents set up as I want them < 1115238399 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not so easy as printing characters < 1115238446 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least I already got the main loop working (but as it is now, I need to preload the memory) < 1115238556 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too genius-talk for me.. :) < 1115238558 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyways; < 1115238565 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about getting 111 to some cell < 1115238575 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this code i assumed < 1115238602 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the pointer must in the cell where 111 is stored when the execution of the program is ended < 1115238609 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :++++[>++++<-]>[<+++++++>-]<- < 1115238627 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll try to make a shorter way < 1115238747 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are three categories < 1115238759 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in what? < 1115238763 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one: leave the pointer in the same cell < 1115238769 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1115238774 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :two: don't leave the pointer in the same cell < 1115238794 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :three: assume a modulo-256 interpreter where -1 = 255 < 1115238801 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1115238817 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the code must start at position 0 < 1115238820 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd outrule that category three immediately < 1115238833 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115238840 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it allows far shorter programs < 1115238853 0 :GregorR-L!~GregorR-L@host-226-136.dhcp.pdx.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1115238864 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got one in 13 instructions < 1115238870 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1115238874 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is nice < 1115238876 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1115238880 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1115238882 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17 that is < 1115238899 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anybody want to clue me in on the convo? < 1115238905 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm strictly "non-wrapping array, non-wrapping cells, 8 bit cells" kind of brainfuck programmer < 1115238914 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah :) < 1115238918 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :convo? < 1115238920 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115238922 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :conversation? < 1115238926 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, sorry < 1115238932 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1115238942 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, don't know about that :) < 1115238945 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : about getting 111 to some cell < 1115238945 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : in this code i assumed < 1115238945 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : the pointer must in the cell where 111 is stored when the execution of the program is ended < 1115238945 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ++++[>++++<-]>[<+++++++>-]<- < 1115238980 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahh yes < 1115239026 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keymaker: yours is exactly like mine in category one :) < 1115239084 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115239100 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but remember i haven't seen your solution < 1115239107 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where are they? < 1115239120 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it was purely accidental < 1115239132 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rinconprog.metropoliglobal.com/Articulos/indexArticulo.php?art=4 < 1115239135 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1115239150 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :click on "english version" < 1115239160 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the link for the spanish one < 1115239179 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1115239192 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1115239195 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, no < 1115239207 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe, sorry... I left that part untranslated < 1115239229 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1115239235 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the theoretical lower bound is 27 instructions < 1115239235 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that was why i didn't find them < 1115239247 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and still haven't!) < 1115239290 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :look for "Soluciones" < 1115239301 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rinconprog.metropoliglobal.com/Articulos/indexArticulo.php?art=4#Soluciones < 1115239321 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The requested URL /Articulos/indexArticulo.php was not found on this server. < 1115239339 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops < 1115239340 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::\ < 1115239340 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm...... < 1115239356 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GAH, I've got to get back to this report X-D < 1115239363 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you find them, Keymaker? < 1115239367 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1115239426 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange < 1115239441 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so.. are they somewhere on that translated page? < 1115239465 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, they're just in the spanish page < 1115239480 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you tried the second link? < 1115239509 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1115239518 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it doesn't work < 1115239523 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my Mozilla got a bit crazy < 1115239539 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after it loads, click on the URL bar and hit ENTER < 1115239557 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that helps < 1115239571 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, no effect :) < 1115239592 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, let me see if I have it in my old page < 1115239724 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://perso.wanadoo.es/p.gimeno/temp/Articles/Buscaminas.html < 1115239730 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just uploaded it < 1115239766 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, now i can see < 1115239769 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll check it out < 1115239900 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you happen to be interested in the article, the English version is in http://perso.wanadoo.es/p.gimeno/temp/Articles/Minesweeper.html (this one is complete) < 1115239972 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks, i'll read it! < 1115240191 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION admits with a red face that the Minesweeper Designer program is Windows-only < 1115240259 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: are you still interested in letting me host the 2L specs? < 1115240332 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure < 1115240412 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could you perhaps elaborate it a bit more? < 1115240463 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the language itself < 1115240488 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Umm, possibly. I could definitely fix the logic tree of doom ^_^ < 1115240495 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1115240516 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean like give examples < 1115240529 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrap up a "distribution" if possible < 1115240579 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okiday < 1115240587 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could even autoconf it X-D < 1115240593 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which would be pointless, since there's only one file ;) < 1115240595 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I won't. < 1115240678 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :better not :) < 1115240735 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :./configure ... checking for bfc: Sorry, the interpreter is written in BrainFuck, so you need a BrainFuck compiler to compile this! < 1115240735 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1115240748 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehehe < 1115240762 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BF should be a standard POSIX tool < 1115240778 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed < 1115240787 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after all who uses dc anyway? < 1115240789 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All scripts that you would write in perl should instead be written in BF. < 1115240801 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :second that! < 1115240805 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1115240813 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, much more programmer-friendly < 1115240821 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Easier to read, less obtuse. < 1115240827 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115240828 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agree < 1115240835 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :easy syntax < 1115240845 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No confusing regex < 1115240872 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's not a thousand ways of writing the same semantically equivalent statement < 1115240874 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooooooooh, that's what I want to see. A regex mungler in BF. Has anybody written one? < 1115240898 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, regexps are hard to deal with < 1115240922 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to code, I mean < 1115241024 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heheh < 1115241033 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is why I want to see them in BF >:) < 1115241052 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are those? < 1115241167 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo -e "hi\nbye" | grep 'h.*' < 1115241173 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The h.* there is a regex expression. < 1115241184 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says "look for an h, then any character repeated any number of times < 1115241191 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are infinitely more complex ones :-P < 1115241214 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's even one that validates dates < 1115241214 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115241261 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are couple dozen-line ones that validate email addresses. < 1115241307 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I don't really mean that there's ONE, just that they have enough power to let that be made ;) < 1115241322 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed I've written my own date validator < 1115241345 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have just as much power as finite state automatons. :p (Well, perl regular expressions don't count, you can include arbitrary perl code in those.) < 1115241424 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oy. This is so difficult to explain ...... < 1115241445 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They aren't very readable, though. One of my perl scripts say $rest =~ /^((?:(?:$ex_nt|$ex_t|$ex_e)(?:\s+|$|(?=\|)))*)\s*(?:\||$)\s*(.*)$/ and it's not immediately obvious what that does. < 1115241466 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what it does?! < 1115241477 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. It's not obvious. < 1115241481 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1115241499 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl should be esoteric < 1115241508 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1115241540 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) hmm, what is finite sate automaton? < 1115241588 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a state machine, something like a Turing machine but unidirectional (someone correct me if I'm wrong) < 1115241706 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically a Turing machine without the tape, yes. It has a set of states, and it does transitions between the states according to the input it receives, handling one character of input at a time. < 1115241730 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And either accepts or rejects the input, depending on what state it ends up in.) < 1115241846 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1115241848 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I updated the README again < 1115241856 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This time it has a worthless tutorial 8-D < 1115241894 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay! < 1115241924 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see.. < 1115241957 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat! < 1115242126 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that's much better < 1115242139 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"That's it! That's the whole language! Isn't that simple ... but not!" < 1115242140 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115242143 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1115242147 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks good! < 1115242154 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, some questions; < 1115242162 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. how the program stops? < 1115242204 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2. what is TLO? < 1115242228 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now.. make an interpreter, i wanna code something! < 1115242234 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115242287 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OHHHHHH! Both very important. < 1115242291 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an interpreter. < 1115242292 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2li.c < 1115242299 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TLO = Top location 0, right? < 1115242310 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err tape < 1115242313 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tape location 0, yes. I should write that in. < 1115242319 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1115242329 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and upload the interpreter < 1115242342 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The interpreter is up there... < 1115242390 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't I/O being made by a * when the program was runing up/down? < 1115242412 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's right-left < 1115242421 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I wrote it otherwise, I'm an idiot 8-D < 1115242440 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I don't have the previous version and I don't remember :) < 1115242459 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in case of doubt it's me who's wrong :) < 1115242465 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heheh < 1115242567 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hum, seems to me that it will cost too much traveling from TL0 to TL[whatever] for moderately long programs < 1115242570 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2li uploaded with Makefile < 1115242620 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could use 0s and travel intelligently *shrugs* < 1115242649 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0: 1, 1: 1, 2: 0, 3: n, 4: n, ...., 50: 7 < 1115242656 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're on 50, just loop backwards until you hit a 0 < 1115242664 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd want to put a 0 somewhere there so you could get back < 1115242676 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, it would cost too much as well 8-D < 1115242819 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :furthermore, why left/right are mapped to up/down and raise/lower value are mapped to left/right? < 1115242838 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be very graphical if these matched < 1115242868 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was mentally imagining it the other way. I was seeing a vertical tape in my head, with values stretching left-right. < 1115242875 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you operate going to the right, you move the pointer to the right < 1115242877 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1115242888 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok then :) < 1115242906 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it doesn't quite work the same as in BF, so my descriptions weren't helpful :-P < 1115242999 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta go now < 1115243007 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see you tomorrow < 1115243086 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye < 1115243100 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1115243191 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Somebody make a cooler topic! < 1115243507 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Time to fight with BF! Learn FYB (http://www.befunge.org/fyb/) and challenge Gregor's logicex-1.fyb! < 1115243509 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahahahahaha < 1115243519 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm such a jackass < 1115243523 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115243944 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YAY! I finished my paper ^_^ < 1115243958 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1115243962 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it about? < 1115243976 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's for my Technical Writing class, so it's just some example situation from the book. < 1115244028 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1115246102 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nearly got my compiler working again. < 1115246108 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps :-P < 1115246622 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully < 1115246635 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly, no. < 1115246639 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what the problem is... < 1115246644 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It makes C with a bunch of gotos X-D < 1115246669 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115247385 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oy. I'll get back to that later :-P < 1115247409 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note: 2L is subject to change when I look closely at my Hello World program and find that I misimplemented it today. < 1115247659 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My befunge compiler makes C with _a lot_ of gotos. < 1115247667 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay :-P < 1115247694 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See http://befunge.org/~fis/out.c.txt for an example compilation of http://befunge.org/~fis/utm.html although I think I've advertised this thing here too much already. < 1115247735 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Truly a masterpiece. < 1115248662 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The compiler is still rather buggy. Haven't had time to fix. < 1115248855 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll go. sleepy < 1115248864 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good nite < 1115248874 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Freedom!" < 1115250104 0 :GregorR-La!~GregorR-L@host-225-164.dhcp.pdx.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1115250114 0 :GregorR-La!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi GregorR-L, how are you :-P < 1115251127 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1115251181 0 :GregorR-La!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finally < 1115251184 0 :GregorR-La!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :GregorR-L < 1115258833 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1115259940 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1115267374 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! < 1115267378 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My boss saves the day! < 1115267387 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sent him a copy of the original 2L! < 1115267390 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And he still has it 8-D < 1115267596 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GAK! < 1115267599 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did misimplement it! < 1115267606 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I KNEW it was supposed to be filled with 0s >_< < 1115268655 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.befunge.org/fyb/2l/HelloWorld.2l < Hello World in 2L :) < 1115274972 0 :lament!~lament@S010600110999ad06.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1115275823 0 :calamari!~calamari@dialup-4.240.247.25.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1115277299 0 :Keymaker!~Not@wire74.adsl.netsonic.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1115277318 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, that's probably coolest Hello World i've seen! < 1115277351 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should add it to that article in wikipedia that has hello world on different languages (including esoteric) :) < 1115278294 0 :calamari_!~calamari@dialup-4.240.241.2.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1115278807 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to write a Wikipedia page for 2L as well... < 1115278815 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1115278817 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I feel bad writing a page about my own language... < 1115278821 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like I'm advertizing myself... < 1115278834 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1115278839 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think so. < 1115278856 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, isn't there a rule against original research? < 1115278857 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean i don't think it's advertizing :) < 1115278870 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why we need the esowiki < 1115278881 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there were rumors about deleting most of esoteric things from wikiperia. < 1115278891 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like everyone to promises to put one up vanishes < 1115278923 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't vanish, they just lose their mental health :p < 1115278932 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and aren't able to write anymore < 1115278941 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha.. can't imagine a wiki being that hard to put up < 1115278942 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus we can't see them in irc < 1115278951 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115278969 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please do not create an article to promote yourself, a website, a product, or a business (see Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not). < 1115278981 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not really myself, a website, a product or a business. < 1115278984 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I guess it's OK 8-D < 1115278996 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a product of your insanity ;) < 1115279012 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. it isn't advertising in my humble opinion < 1115279083 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt anyone would care. just avoid using "I", "me", etc.. :) < 1115279131 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you use a template... < 1115279157 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't ask me, just look some other entries "source code" < 1115279315 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1115279335 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :calamari < 1115279839 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2L_programming_language < 1115279990 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty good! < 1115279999 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1115280000 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1115280000 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now make the traditional quine example :P < 1115280036 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH *head explodes* < 1115280042 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1115280061 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it wouldn't be probably that complicated < 1115280066 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait < 1115280069 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would < 1115280071 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess :) < 1115280089 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try that sometime < 1115280104 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i first learn the basics < 1115280167 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, so there's "infinite" space on right side? < 1115280228 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, within the limits of the interpreter/compiler's memory < 1115280230 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the program ends if the pointer's x = -1 or y = -1 < 1115280238 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1115280240 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1115280241 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok! < 1115280246 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1115280250 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, it's not TOO bad 8-D < 1115280255 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1115281523 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there two interpreters in the 2L package? < 1115281560 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2lc.c and 2li.c? < 1115281574 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one i use? < 1115281766 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and probably new-line is value 10 only (hopefully)? < 1115282126 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what's the file extension for 2l programs? < 1115282131 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.2l ? < 1115282169 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay.. I'm now vapor.. http://lilly.csoft.net/~jeffryj/wiki/index.php < 1115282181 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how long did that take.. 45 mins or so? < 1115282192 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115282216 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Absolutely no content whatsoever < 1115282222 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1115282240 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but didn't someone just recently start an esowiki? < 1115282243 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder.. should an esoteric wiki be well organized? =) < 1115282255 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not :) < 1115282256 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe.. but then I heard nothing < 1115282264 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1115282274 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if the starter is here anymore < 1115282277 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on this channel i mean < 1115282280 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't been here much, though.. so that means nothing :) < 1115282280 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't remember' < 1115282287 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya < 1115282306 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the person was going to copy all the wikipedia content over < 1115283775 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1115284125 0 :puzzlet!~puzzlet@61.247.148.38 JOIN :#esoteric < 1115284126 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1115284134 0 :puzzlet!~puzzlet@61.247.148.38 JOIN :#esoteric < 1115289929 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1115290085 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: are you around? < 1115291860 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a good brainf*ck debugger somewhere? < 1115291881 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think mine is fairly good < 1115291925 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looking for the damn link < 1115292019 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://perso.wanadoo.es/p.gimeno/files/brfd10.zip < 1115292051 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last night I wrote a 'regular expression to brainf*ck' compiler in java (parses a regular expression to a nondeterministic state automaton, determinizes and minimizes it, then writes brainf*ck code to "simulate" it) but the code generated is buggy. < 1115292074 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa < 1115292079 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION rolls eyes < 1115292148 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can make use of that debugger, it has a couple of features that may be very helpful when debugging < 1115292473 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, a "step out of current loop" feature is something I've really been looking forward to. :) < 1115292492 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115292523 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a Library of BF Ready-Made Functions somewhere? you know, like you don't have to write the same routine again and again like, e.g. pcre in BF :) < 1115292799 0 :calamari_!~calamari@dialup-4.240.243.137.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1115293747 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1115293952 0 :kipple!~kipple@163.80-202-100.nextgentel.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1115295110 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1115296704 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay. < 1115296709 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fis@colin:~/prog/eclipse-workspace/misc$ java -cp . org.gehennom.misc.BFRE 'a(a|b)*b|b(a|b)*a' > ~/prog/misc/brfd/re.bf < 1115296715 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fis@colin:~/prog/misc/brfd$ echo -n 'aabbab' | ./BRFD.EXE re.bf < 1115296715 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :acc! < 1115296715 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fis@colin:~/prog/misc/brfd$ echo -n 'aabbaa' | ./BRFD.EXE re.bf < 1115296715 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rej! < 1115296737 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This exhaustive testing conclusively proves it works for all regular expressions and inputs." < 1115296806 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, nice! :) < 1115296831 0 :Keymaker!~Not@wire74.adsl.netsonic.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1115296839 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'ello < 1115296845 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1115296848 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1115296867 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think there's any brainfuck function collection < 1115296870 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least i haven't seen < 1115296918 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's sad < 1115297090 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say, you want to operate with numbers > 255 (e.g. to perform a scientific computation; BF is soon to be implemented as the language of choice for scientific computations, replacing the now obsolete FORTRAN). Do you have to write your own bignum library? < 1115297181 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes :0 < 1115297234 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can operate with really big numbers but it gets really hard < 1115297266 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, well, it's up to the compiler to optimize the code so that it runs smoothly < 1115297376 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the code is slow, it's the compiler's fault < 1115297439 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115297447 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1115297470 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a TPK algorithm implementation in BF? < 1115297476 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is that? < 1115297523 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1115297532 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as i know there is not < 1115297550 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's another kind of language features tester < 1115297562 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be pretty hard to code in bf i think < 1115297578 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cs.fit.edu/~ryan/compare/ < 1115297597 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i'm on that page righ now < 1115297609 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Knuth has an Intercal version in his page < 1115298350 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's a befunge quine i made up today < 1115298353 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"48*2+,>:#,_@ @_,#:>,+2*84 < 1115298365 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this method has been most probably used thousands of times, i have a feeling < 1115298496 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't ever befunged < 1115298515 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i haven't much either < 1115298562 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks deliciously simple < 1115298588 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is < 1115298738 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have a look when I have some spare time... right now I can't even dedicate to malbolge < 1115298747 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1115298750 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway stack-based languages are not among my favorites < 1115298760 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i prefer tape :) < 1115298764 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tape array < 1115298771 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like brainfuck < 1115298777 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1115298787 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not such fan of stacks, probably because i have never used them before esolangs < 1115298809 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have written a bit of Forth but I didn't like it < 1115298819 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's probably why I don't like stacks < 1115298826 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115298832 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to revisit Q-BAL sometime < 1115298952 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't tried that < 1115298961 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and here's the second quine < 1115298962 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :##"57*:,,48*2+,>:#,_48*2+,57*, @ ,*75,+2*84_,#:>,+2*84,,:*75"# < 1115298996 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION feels a symmetry pattern :P < 1115299009 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keymaker, brilliant! < 1115299027 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) cheers! < 1115301407 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :befunge has interesting stuff < 1115301412 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as self-replacement < 1115301434 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the program can change its own code < 1115303935 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to debug my regexp compiler by looking at the state machines it creates. For something simple like that 'a(a|b)*b|b(a|b)*a' example it works, but for this date-with-time-validating regular expression the generated state machine is.. not very visualizable. You can look at http://gehennom.org/~fis/re.png for an example, but it's a 8422x6504-sized png so looking at it can be a bit sluggish. < 1115303946 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am having some trouble figuring out whether it is "correct" or not. :p < 1115304108 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, so does some program do that picture? < 1115304115 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean that your prog < 1115304169 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, I just dumped the transitions to a text file and mangled it a bit to create a .dot I feeded to graphviz. < 1115304222 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to try combining the multiple transitions to a single arrow, now, the 10+ arrows going from a -> b aren't exactly helping. < 1115304260 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1115304704 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree, fizzie, I can't follow that graphic < 1115304756 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looking at the original regex would help as well < 1115304769 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's.. messy. < 1115304844 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My parser doesn't do character classes, so I had to convert [0-9] to (0|1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9). < 1115305036 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1115305050 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, the motivation of the difficulty... I think I could write a [x-y] range parser in a few minutes, but it's so easy that it's not worth spending time on it :P < 1115305545 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahh. re2.png and especially re3.png are much clearer. In re2 the transitions have been combined, in re3 the "error state" has been left out. < 1115305720 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The regular expression I used was '((0|1|2|_)(1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9)|3(0|1)).((0|_)(1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9)|1(0|1|2)).((0|1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9)(0|1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9)(0|1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9)(0|1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9)|_) *((0|1)(0|1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9)|2(0|1|2|3)):(0|1|2|3|4|5)(0|1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9)(:(0|1|2|3|4|5)(0|1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9)|:6(0|1)|_)' < 1115305748 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There's a " *" between the parts, that's perhaps not very clear if it line-wraps badly.) < 1115305784 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But as far as I can determine, the automaton is correct, so my brainf*ck code is not. Bleh. < 1115305823 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not _really_ a date-validating regexp, since it doesn't care about number of days in a month. < 1115305837 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It does allow leap seconds, though.) < 1115305843 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of brainfuck code you got? < 1115305905 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's in http://gehennom.org/~fis/re.bf.txt .. it's not very optimized. :p < 1115305926 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRGH! < 1115305930 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1115305939 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i won't try looking what could be wrong.. < 1115305959 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woah.. < 1115305993 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can look at re2.bf.txt if you want, that's commented. < 1115305999 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1115306002 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Automatically commented, even. :p < 1115306155 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'll try debugging it when I have some free time. :p < 1115306172 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Single-stepping and watching the state transitions helps to see where it goes worng. < 1115307345 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fis@colin:~/prog/misc/brfd$ echo -n '11.4.2002 11:03:22' | ./BRFD.EXE re.bf < 1115307345 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :acc! < 1115307345 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fis@colin:~/prog/misc/brfd$ echo -n '32.4.2002 11:03:22' | ./BRFD.EXE re.bf < 1115307345 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rej! < 1115307345 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fis@colin:~/prog/misc/brfd$ echo -n '11.4.2002 11:60:22' | ./BRFD.EXE re.bf < 1115307347 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rej! < 1115307382 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a simple bug in the few last lines of brainf*ck where it chose what to print. < 1115307410 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, according to the graph you can't type 10.x.xxxx < 1115307499 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or 20.x.xxxx < 1115307738 0 :kipple!~kipple@163.80-202-100.nextgentel.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1115307938 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. < 1115307943 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a bug in the regexp, though. < 1115307987 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((0|1|2|_)(1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9)|3(0|1)) should be something like ((0|1|2_)(1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9)|(1|2)0|3(0|1)) < 1115308041 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does * have the classical meaning? < 1115308056 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's _? < 1115308064 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :epsilon i assume < 1115308066 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_ is the empty string, yes. < 1115308077 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1115308093 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, which is actually different from epsilon, isn't it? i'm getting confused by the terminology < 1115308124 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm used to the (0|1|2)? kind of test < 1115308167 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This doesn't have "?". The syntax is straight from our "Introduction to Theoretical Computer Science" course homework assignment checker. < 1115308231 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't read that, I'm just an egrep user :) < 1115309672 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keymaker: 2li.c is an interpreter, 2lc.c is a compiler. < 1115309678 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: You buzzed? < 1115309691 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok < 1115309693 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115309876 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and, yeah, .2. < 1115309879 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*.2l < 1115310289 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1115310353 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :attention! < 1115310376 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to check out my programming site i just made the way i want it to be, go here: < 1115310377 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://koti.mbnet.fi/yiap/ < 1115310382 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not much content yet < 1115310397 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i hope to add programs there as time passes < 1115310413 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well, tell me what do you think about the "design" < 1115310449 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor is incapable of design decisions. < 1115310451 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trust me < 1115310470 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, I notice a distinctive lack of 2L quines :-P < 1115310493 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115310529 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is 2l turing-complete? < 1115310573 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm almost positive it is - I'm modestly sure that it's BF-complete. < 1115310599 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any BF operation could be done with a bit of blood sweat and tears. < 1115310612 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: hey < 1115310622 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: Hey < 1115310623 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115310643 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this channel hasn't been this active for a very long time < 1115310654 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heheh < 1115310656 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so good you two joined :)) < 1115310721 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: well, about hosting 2L < 1115310770 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can give you a permanent page (not very intuitive but at least immutable in some years) < 1115310801 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How so? < 1115310808 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IE: How is it "not very intuitive"? < 1115310819 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlike 2L, which is mind-blowingly intuitive :-P < 1115310826 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like http://www.formauri.es/personal/GregorR/ < 1115310829 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1115310847 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could supply a subdomain. < 1115310867 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I own codu.org , but have very minimal space and bandwidth on my host there :-P < 1115310869 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this damn hosting company doesn't allow subdomains < 1115310872 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I pay $1/mo 8-D < 1115310884 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can set up a redirection < 1115310895 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops, sorry, work < 1115310895 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I meant a redirection from 2l.codu.org < 1115310899 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1115310917 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Whoops, got to make my boss look like I'm doing work" ? < 1115311042 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1115311088 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, as you like < 1115311111 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, yeah, that'd be great < 1115311148 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd just want to avoid it being lost like so many others < 1115311180 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm afraid of the day web.archive.org is down < 1115311204 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. I''ve been thinking about that too. < 1115311215 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too many esolangs exist on only one webpage < 1115311231 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any OO esoteric languages (other than Java of course ahaha) < 1115311249 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Java2K? < 1115311262 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that OO? I don't think so < 1115311270 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a random thought < 1115311275 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, of course HQ9++ < 1115311287 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad it's not turing-complete < 1115311298 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1115311316 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember that ugly re.bf.txt? I quick-n-dirty-converted it to befunge: http://gehennom.org/~fis/re.bef.txt - I don't have any befunge interpreter here that'd support unlimited-size playfield and [a-f] hex-numbers, so I haven't tested it. < 1115311361 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1115311448 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :About the only optimization it does it to combine runs of +++s, ---s, <<>>s into a single 2f*4+f*1+ -style number. Other than that, it's a straight translation of the brainf*ck code. < 1115311465 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Except that loops involve a lot of going-around.) < 1115311594 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's amazing how many diversions one can find when the other alternative would be to read for exams. ('Fundamentals of network media' and 'Discrete Mathematics' both are tomorrow.) < 1115311607 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115311611 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i know that.. < 1115311633 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i mean i know that allkinds of other stuff can be done easily instead of reading to exams.) < 1115311651 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometime this week, I will have an esoteric OO programming language ... because the world needs one (other than Java ahaha) < 1115311760 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :great :) < 1115311778 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115311815 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, what OO concepts are you planning to include? < 1115311912 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, just one sec. Does anybody agree that this would be esoteric (this will be a few lines...): < 1115311917 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is such a thing as a voicebox. < 1115311917 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A voicebox can speak a word. < 1115311917 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When this program starts: < 1115311917 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have one voicebox. < 1115311917 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My first voicebox speaks "Hello World!" < 1115311918 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When a voicebox is to speak: < 1115311920 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have one stdout. < 1115311922 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My first stdout is to speak the word. < 1115311969 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inheritance wouldn't be too hard, and I have a plan for class variables ... no public/private interfaces. < 1115311998 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops, gtg to school. < 1115312003 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See you all later. < 1115312010 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :later GregorR < 1115312019 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you're currently hosting GregorR's 2L, right? < 1115312034 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1115313623 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rghh < 1115313703 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :must go. < 1115313708 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :later' < 1115313709 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Freedom!" < 1115315254 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, fizzie is < 1115315278 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The more I think of it, the more I think that that wouldn't be esoteric enough. < 1115315287 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's sort of pointlessly wordy, but way too intuitive. < 1115315791 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I like it and that's enough :) < 1115315798 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for me anyway) < 1115315814 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1115315839 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some notes about the Wikipedia article < 1115315885 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an example should not be so long < 1115315895 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's 4-5 lines < 1115315951 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if I can accomplish anything in less X-D < 1115315956 0 :GregorR-L!~GregorR-L@host-203-213.pubnet.pdx.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1115316008 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean the line limit < 1115316110 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you allow me to make small edits here and there to let it conform to the Wikipedia policies better? < 1115316224 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohhhhhhh < 1115316225 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure < 1115316278 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "Hello world" can't be there, would you mind if I take the example from the tutorial? < 1115316291 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure < 1115316298 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's even more worthless, but yeah :-P < 1115316360 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just for the casual user to get an idea of what a program looks like < 1115316403 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, I guess so < 1115316409 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And to scare them away >:) < 1115316540 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YAY! 5 midterms in this series and I've gotten an A on every single one 8-D < 1115316738 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, congrats! < 1115316770 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, it's done: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2L_programming_language < 1115316804 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hoopla :) < 1115316908 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn, "Server shutdown in progress" < 1115316926 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee :-P < 1115317392 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that those who want to see what "Hello, world!" looks like will have to visit the page < 1115317419 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, as soon as you want me to post it, tell me what the files are and I'll post them < 1115317934 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1115318765 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, that Hello World looks great :) < 1115318803 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really nice (read: nasty) language... < 1115320035 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow < 1115320221 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what's "<" in the sample program in Wikipedia? < 1115320288 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :From the spec: "The < is the direction that your program pointer will be going in when you're done producing the < 1115320288 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :value." < 1115320304 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :got me confused for a while as well < 1115320352 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YAY! < 1115320353 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i changed "(0,0) moving down" with "(0,0) moving right" < 1115320379 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's actually supposed to be "moving down" < 1115320387 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My old README was screwy... < 1115320394 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I was working from memory < 1115320405 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, back to "YAY!" < 1115320412 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My OO esoteric language is functional :-P < 1115320433 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1115320448 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's nice. Care to show us? < 1115320507 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Give me a bit. < 1115320514 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I could paste something in here... < 1115320519 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm still working on the spec. < 1115320524 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've started thinking about one myself :) < 1115320563 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.ca/11055 < 1115320588 0 :cmeme!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) < 1115320651 0 :cmeme!~cmeme@216.184.11.2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1115320670 0 :cmeme!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1115320713 0 :cmeme!~cmeme@216.184.11.2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1115320721 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that actual code? < 1115320738 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1115320742 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also a story X-D < 1115320793 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg < 1115320805 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's awesome < 1115320813 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1115320835 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has the usefulness of BASIC with the power of English and OO! < 1115320889 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no logic yet. < 1115320892 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'm not done :-P < 1115320965 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, outputter is the only pre-defined object in that code. Am I right? < 1115320972 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1115320983 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm also going to make mathematician < 1115320993 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a mathematician called ProfessorBob < 1115321002 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ProfessorBob is to increment myNumber. < 1115321004 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115322604 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that program sounds like some kind of weird poetry < 1115322646 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of like a childrens book :) < 1115323321 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that kind of thing gets very old very fast < 1115323626 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1115328391 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. ORK (this OO esoteric language) turns out to be the source of all evil in this world. < 1115328396 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, it is now working. < 1115328406 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :However however, I'm at work and can't send it up anywhere :( < 1115328427 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ORK = Objekts R Kool < 1115329093 0 :Keymaker!~Not@wire74.adsl.netsonic.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1115329094 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1115329103 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hoi < 1115329109 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115329111 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm not here, I'm at work ;) ) < 1115329160 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1115329187 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'll upload my esoteric OO language somewhere this evening (when I'm not at work) < 1115329192 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But here's a sample: < 1115329208 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This sample will multiply 5 by 5 then output the result < 1115329214 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When this program begins: < 1115329221 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a mathematician called ProfBob. < 1115329229 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is an outputter called StdOut. < 1115329234 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ProfBob's first operand is 5. < 1115329240 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ProfBob's second operand is 5. < 1115329244 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ProfBob is to multiply. < 1115329253 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :StdOut is to output ProfBob's result. < 1115329290 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1115329294 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks nice < 1115329316 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's object oriented beyond all usefulness :-P < 1115330104 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :must.. invent.. own.. esoteric.. language.. < 1115330117 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to think < 1115330172 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't get any connect to brains :p < 1115330182 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*connection < 1115330501 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm about done creating them ... < 1115330512 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've created a too-little-to-work-with-a-la-BF one... < 1115330521 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've created a too-damn-wordy-to-be-useful one... < 1115330526 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115330541 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But one of these days, I'll go "You know what would be totally worthless..." < 1115332174 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I want a befunge variant with function calls (simple define-function-with-integer-name, call-function-n and return would suffice, although I'm not sure if there should be a way of having more than a single return value) and perhaps with a _really_ simple module system (load-a-file, which could export a set of functions). < 1115332193 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it'd be cheatey and unbefungey, but that'd be a language one could actually use for real-world applications. < 1115332258 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would LOVE to see a non-esoteric 2D language. < 1115332268 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1115332275 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would pretty cool < 1115332316 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My attempts to conceptualize one have all been in vain, however :( < 1115332965 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn, I've been too busy tonight and I must leave now... I'll read the backlog tomorrow, bye < 1115333390 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1115333409 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm too tired to do anything, i'll go too < 1115333414 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good night < 1115333418 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Freedom!" < 1115337408 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a quaint little 60-line recursive Fibonacci number generator in ORK :-P < 1115337425 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would have taken, oh, maybe as many as 10 in C++. < 1115338006 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've made a recursive fibonacci in befunge. It takes (optimized; not completely by me) 13x3, 23x2 or 9x4 characters. < 1115339480 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heheh. < 1115339483 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just finished cat, too. < 1115339493 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A clean 10 lines. < 1115339574 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>~# :#,_@ (with EOF=0 semantics) < 1115339632 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EOF in ORK is EZ :-P < 1115339641 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If StdIn says it's done then I am to quit. < 1115339678 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have an interpreter already, or is it all on "paper"? < 1115339832 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It compiles to C++ < 1115339843 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the worst parser ever written by mankind. < 1115339843 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1115339863 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow! is it written by Mankind? :) < 1115339875 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends on your definition of me :-P < 1115339889 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I wouldn't know... < 1115339913 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION takes off his human mask. < 1115339917 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is a giant insect!!! < 1115339960 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you do that trick to talk about yourself in 3rd person? < 1115339971 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : /me in most IRC clients. < 1115339995 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has learned something today < 1115340001 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^_^ < 1115340003 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay. thanks < 1115340008 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :N/P < 1115340149 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION drives out nonkipple < 1115340158 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1115340212 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :StdOut is to write "Yay!\n" < 1115345670 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :w00t, loops and conditionals are both working :) < 1115346162 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1115351106 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hoi < 1115351492 0 :GregorR-L!~GregorR-L@c-24-21-138-66.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1115351607 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) < 1115351973 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ORK is done :) < 1115351981 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.befunge.org/fyb/ork/ < 1115351995 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Sorry I keep tossing stuff into the FYB web space, I promise that's the last one ;0 < 1115351997 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*;) < 1115353472 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.befunge.org/fyb/ork/fibonacci.ork < Fibonacci sequence ... particularly ugly 8-D < 1115355159 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently I'm incapable of writing a Quine. < 1115355810 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1115365573 0 :calamari!~calamari@dialup-4.240.241.35.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1115366077 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! < 1115366081 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I MADE A QUINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 < 1115366182 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That 1 is significant. < 1115366318 0 :Keymaker!~Not@wire74.adsl.netsonic.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1115366322 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haohplah < 1115366326 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crazy language < 1115366329 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quine! < 1115366330 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where? < 1115366332 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gimme! < 1115366347 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In ORK :) < 1115366350 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One sec... < 1115366358 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1115366365 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and yeah i knew it was in ORK) < 1115366369 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please don't laugh at how long and stupid it is, it's my first quine ;) < 1115366371 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.befunge.org/fyb/ork/quine.ork < 1115366386 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't laugh at all < 1115366390 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks really cool < 1115366393 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a language like this < 1115366394 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1115366399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1115366400 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1115366435 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't laugh at all < 1115366436 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact < 1115366438 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm crying < 1115366458 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1115366480 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very cool < 1115366505 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have the slightest idea how it works :) the language is too bizarre :p < 1115366530 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't documented it yet, so ... *cough* < 1115366541 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's stupidly, insanely, idiotically object oriented. < 1115366553 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only function you can have outside of an object is "main' < 1115366580 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like java < 1115366595 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like I said, it's stupidly, insanely, idiotically object oriented. :) < 1115366639 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115366740 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems to be turing-complete (at least i'd guess so) < 1115366757 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is *shrugs* < 1115366768 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not as easy to prove as things that you can prove are BF-complete. < 1115366839 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually... < 1115366851 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I wrote a BF interpreter in ORK, that would prove it was turing complete, yes? < 1115366859 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1115366888 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm < 1115366896 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll write a spec first. < 1115366907 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :better yet, try the universal register machine < 1115366908 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's easier < 1115366915 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually < 1115366934 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: it doesn't get much easier to implement than bf :) < 1115366943 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heheh < 1115366945 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :universal register machine is easier < 1115366960 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: please do tell < 1115366985 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least i think so < 1115366989 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.iwriteiam.nl/Ha_bf_Turing.html < 1115366990 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does universal register machine work? < 1115367030 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1115367031 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actuall it's even more similar to BF than i remembered. < 1115367040 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1115367056 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC Faase's pages hold a description < 1115367057 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, sleepitime for me (right as everybody else is finally becoming active) < 1115367063 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See you all later. < 1115367083 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe, nite GregorR-L < 1115367090 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye :=) < 1115367099 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(darn '=') < 1115367189 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it is that language is turing-complete if some other, turing-complete, language's interpreter can be written in it? < 1115367204 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like for example bf interpreter? < 1115367228 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1115367233 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1115367257 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, if you can compile programs in another turing complete language to your language < 1115367263 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, lament already posted the page... I think I need more coffee < 1115367272 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115367370 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that to actually prove turing completeness with brainfuck < 1115367371 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, I've found a language called OOPS in the old Cat's Eye pages which is allegedly object-oriented (thus the name ;) but there's no link - does anyone know anything else? < 1115367371 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any language that isn't turing-complete but where still has been written some turing-complete language's interpreter? or could that even be possible? < 1115367380 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need either an infitite memory size < 1115367384 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or infinite cell size < 1115367397 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1115367397 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there must be SOME way to store arbitrary amount of information < 1115367406 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise it's just a finite state machine < 1115367433 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keymaker: well i guess < 1115367435 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have a language < 1115367447 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which the only instruction is "input a brainfuck program, and interpret it" < 1115367453 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that language isn't really turing-complete :) < 1115367456 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115367469 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, would be a good joke language < 1115367501 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i guess writing an interpreter does NOT really prove turing-completeness < 1115367502 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1115367507 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to compile stuff < 1115367511 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that when people are talking about "turing completeness" with respect to programming languages, it really means "x is turing complete within the limitations of the interpreter's memory" < 1115367515 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from a turing-complete lanugage to your langugae < 1115367528 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: no < 1115367548 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well then no language is turing complete. < 1115367548 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: you don't care about interpreters when judging turing-completeness < 1115367553 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: wrong < 1115367560 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're all limited by memory constraints. < 1115367563 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, they're not < 1115367564 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OHHHHHHH, I see. < 1115367566 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interpreters are < 1115367566 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1115367570 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :languages aren't < 1115367572 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The language C is not limited by memory. < 1115367580 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a language defines a specification of a virtual machine < 1115367580 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only the system your run it on is. < 1115367582 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see now < 1115367588 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this virtual machine may or may not be turing complete < 1115367601 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may or may not require infinite memory < 1115367623 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it does require infinite memory then it's not possible to implement it 100% < 1115367632 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, doesn't "turing complete" mean that, given the proper programming, it could do any mathematical task? < 1115367634 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's turing-complete nonetheless < 1115367640 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: yes < 1115367661 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: unfortunately computers are not turing complete :) < 1115367669 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115367679 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that sometimes that implies storing the program in the tape < 1115367682 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But a LANGUAGE could be if it did not have an implicit memory limit? < 1115367688 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1115367691 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh < 1115367692 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can just say < 1115367701 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1115367702 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"brainfuck provides arbitrarily big memory" < 1115367706 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops < 1115367709 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So C is turing complete because you could do anything, though you might need to malloc(10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000) < 1115367729 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But BF is not because you could never have that many cells. < 1115367741 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1115367743 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not? < 1115367748 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't need to malloc that much :) just think of the pointer type as an arbitrarily long integer < 1115367767 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was for effect :-P < 1115367771 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: there's no agreement on whether BF memory is infinite or not < 1115367780 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't the language spec 30000 cells? < 1115367792 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4000 or something, but nobody cares much < 1115367799 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :30000 i've heard < 1115367806 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that an ENSI spec? < 1115367810 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1115367817 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if i remember correct it's "at least" < 1115367822 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can be wrong < 1115367826 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So then, if the cell count was built into the language, it could never be turing complete ... but if it wasn't (in BF as an example), it could be? < 1115367829 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i don't think the cell size is ever specified < 1115367845 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which could mean that the cells themselves can be infinitely big < 1115367852 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh < 1115367852 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case you don't need too many of them to be turing-complete < 1115367856 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1115367861 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So long as there's infinite means for storage. < 1115367871 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In the perfect scenario that can never be attained :-P ) < 1115367872 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder how few you need < 1115367884 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually in BF you probably still need infinite number of cells < 1115367894 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm not gonna try proving that :| < 1115367898 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1115367913 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did someone read http://esoteric.sange.fi/ENSI/brainfuck-1.0.txt ? < 1115367920 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still confident that both 2L and ORK are turing complete (2L within the bounds of memory of course) < 1115367930 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: that spec is great < 1115367945 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1115367954 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway even if you take BF's memory to be 30000 < 1115367966 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still intuitively turing complete < 1115367972 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for any "small enough" problem < 1115367979 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if the problem is bigger, you just increase the memory size < 1115367983 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, but doesn't turing complete MEAN for ANY problem? < 1115367986 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since 30000 is clearly just an arbitrary number < 1115367990 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1115367994 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well thing is < 1115368003 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANY problem would still need only finite memory < 1115368006 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, BF itself is, if 30000 is not taken to be part of the language, but of the implementation. < 1115368021 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no matter how big your problem is < 1115368026 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it only needs a finite memory < 1115368036 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Calculating every digit of pi. < 1115368043 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Infinite time, infinite memory. < 1115368043 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not a valid problem < 1115368046 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^_^ < 1115368048 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1115368064 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I've REALLY got to sleep now. < 1115368068 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmmh.. pi < 1115368074 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1115368079 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good nite :) < 1115368086 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nite GregorR < 1115368114 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calculating pi to N digits is a valid problem :) < 1115368170 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, OK: A language is turing complete IF given infinite memory and code space, it could solve any mathematical problem. Is that a good all-inclusive definition? < 1115368185 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Trust me, I'm asleep ;) ) < 1115368189 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty much < 1115368205 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still it's s/infinite/arbitrary < 1115368208 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arbitrarily big < 1115368210 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but finite < 1115368249 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if it was given infinite, it still certainly could ... and I think that's a bit easier to explain ... < 1115368254 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about "sufficiently large" < 1115368283 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, now I'm REALLY REALLY sleeping. < 1115368364 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Freedom!" < 1115368370 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the exclusion of infinite algorithms is somwehat puzzling to me... this C program: main() {printf("0."); while (1) printf("3");} obviously prints the infinite expansion of 1/3 even if it's not a valid algorithm < 1115368405 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: why use such an obscure definitions? what's a "mathematical problem" anyway? < 1115368432 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: well, the reason is < 1115368440 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: turing machines don't have IO < 1115368450 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't look at IO when deciding it < 1115368453 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a side effect < 1115368470 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it could have < 1115368477 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only at the state of the machine when the program terminates < 1115368535 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it "could have" < 1115368547 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but remember the pioneers were looking from a mathematical perspective < 1115368555 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no IO in math < 1115368558 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1115368601 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, well, I suppose it's just a question of historical reasons < 1115368663 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but being limited to analysis of finite programs for historical reasons makes little sense to me < 1115373732 0 :kipple!~kipple@163.80-202-100.nextgentel.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1115380628 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1115384432 0 :Keymaker!~Not@wire74.adsl.netsonic.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1115384438 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1115384815 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :small challenge: < 1115384830 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or don't know if it's challenging) < 1115384924 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make a file that has 32 characters in it: those characters should be the md5 hash of the file < 1115384928 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sorry about delay) < 1115384955 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, the data inside the file should be the md5 hash of the file < 1115385121 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that is possible it's probably not easy to find < 1115385136 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Keymaker < 1115385141 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo < 1115385144 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was reading the backlog < 1115385150 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1115385153 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have checked your quine < 1115385168 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kipple? befunge? < 1115385175 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :befunge < 1115385179 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1115385204 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(your web page looks awesome, btw) < 1115385217 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks, you're first to say that :) < 1115385256 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel that the befunge quine is a bit cheatful though, in the sense that it reads its own source < 1115385270 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1115385298 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but quine still ;) and valid program < 1115385342 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's quite compact and easy to understand (even for me who still didn't know anything about the Befunge instructions) < 1115385352 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1115385357 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1115385446 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the quine works the way that first it reads it own instructions to stack (stuff inside " ") < 1115385457 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the it executes the instructions < 1115385473 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the instructions tell it to print out '"'s and the stuff there is in stack < 1115385502 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and print '#' as well < 1115385509 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'#' jumps over one command < 1115385542 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so at the end of 80 char line it jumps to place 2 to the beginning of the program and not to place 1 which is '"' < 1115385625 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep I understood it < 1115385638 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1115385645 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw < 1115385651 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you read that my challenge? < 1115385666 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that i wrote some minutes ago?) < 1115385670 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(on this channel) < 1115385685 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was on it right now < 1115385704 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool! :) < 1115385706 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure MD5 has a "fixed point" < 1115385720 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds likely < 1115385725 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(don't know if that's the right name in English; in spanish it's "punto fijo") < 1115385742 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea either but i assume i see what you mean < 1115385745 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a value such that f(a) = a < 1115385753 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1115385771 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that that's too big a challenge < 1115385780 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most probably < 1115385791 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :takes at least lot of calculations < 1115385798 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :finding an MD5 collision has taken many years since MD5 was invented < 1115385810 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's about as much challenging as an MD5 collision < 1115385822 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's md5 collision? < 1115385834 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :finding two files with the same hash < 1115385837 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1115385842 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that has been done < 1115385858 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :two *different* files, that is :) < 1115385868 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is done < 1115385883 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, of course, I think it's been done early this year < 1115385920 0 :KnX!~KnX@juv34-2-82-226-155-84.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1115385932 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea when, but i cna't remember where i found the fact < 1115385939 0 :KnX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1115385939 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it was somewhere in wikipedia < 1115385941 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1115385984 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MD4 has been cracked; perhaps it's feasible (for us anyway) to find fixed points (or whatever it is called) with it < 1115386080 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm don't feel much like taking a challenge right now, though - I prefer to try to end my current projects in my scarce spare time < 1115386089 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1115386120 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, I've seen GregorR's Ork and I've liked it very much! < 1115386126 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1115386130 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty strange < 1115386136 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and awesome that he made a quine in it < 1115386142 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it can be converted to an educational language even < 1115386147 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1115386171 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and about the challenge: it was mostly for laughs, i didn't even think that anyone would try to solve it!) < 1115386176 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although feel free) < 1115386188 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hehe :) < 1115386194 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115386198 0 :KnX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm searching peoples who wrote funge-98 interpreters , is there anyone here ? ( i'm trying to write mine, and have some questions ) < 1115386218 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, interesting project, but i haven't seen any < 1115386273 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, /me goes home, bbl < 1115386285 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1115386287 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1115388342 0 :Keymakere!~Not@wire74.adsl.netsonic.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1115388389 0 :Keymakere!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i made a new befunge quine that's nicely 42 instructions < 1115388393 0 :Keymakere!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<> #"25*6*:,2+:,2+2/:,3+:,1-,>:#,_57*1-,@" < 1115388792 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My ORK Quine is 102 lines :-P < 1115388803 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think yours is cleaner :-P < 1115388916 0 :Keymakere!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1115388948 0 :Keymakere!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whe does "Keymaker" leave this channel? < 1115388951 0 :Keymakere!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*when < 1115388966 0 :Keymakere!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to change my name already.. < 1115389071 0 :Keymakere!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, just gotta wait.. < 1115389149 0 :Keymakere!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll watch the Matrix now. bbl < 1115389152 0 :Keymakere!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Freedom!" < 1115389446 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1115392786 0 :KnX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1115393909 0 :Keymaker!~a@wire74.adsl.netsonic.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1115393930 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrgggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh < 1115393995 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all this time i've been trying to find a f*cking dvd player for ******* Windows.. i just can't find any < 1115394047 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even some trial version is ok, but some that doesn't stop after three minutes (man some are stupid) < 1115394078 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had to play 15 minutes breakout to get more calm < 1115394092 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is so annoying < 1115394146 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, the dvd player here in linux complains something that "error reading NAV packet" < 1115394149 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and nothing else < 1115394155 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate computers!? < 1115394159 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*!! < 1115394165 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1115394172 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGH < 1115394185 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soon i'll smash the keyboard through window < 1115394225 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rgh i have to read some linux books. i can't use this. i'm too afraid to try how stuff works. < 1115394249 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i can't install any new program here probably, not to mention finding some stuff from web if i need to get something < 1115394265 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i go searching...... i'm so annoyed......... < 1115394270 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1115395425 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :re < 1115395437 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: did I already mention that ORK ROKs? :) < 1115398145 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heheh, yes you did pgimeno, but I have no problem with being showered with praise *shrugs* < 1115398177 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, actually, I was thinking when I was done that it would make a good quick-intro to object oriented programming that doesn't involve concurrently learning C++ syntax. < 1115398208 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still in the middle of writing a howto for it, however. < 1115398333 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keymaker: Win...dows? Isn't that some archaic operating system that nobody uses anymore? (In the happy universe in my head :'( ) < 1115398427 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like these constructs very much and I'm eager to read the specs < 1115398468 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I see no Keymaker around btw, though he usually reads the logs) < 1115399080 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I was under the impression that he did. < 1115399102 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My current revision of the specs (which I can't upload from work >_<) are done, but worthless :-P < 1115399413 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any technical writers hang out on #esoteric? :-P < 1115399660 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION suddenly remembers pgimeno's article site. < 1115402656 0 :Keymakere!~Not@wire74.adsl.netsonic.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1115402660 0 :Keymakere!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1115402671 0 :Keymakere!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate windows < 1115402685 0 :Keymakere!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i throw my dvds away soon grrg < 1115402695 0 :Keymakere!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Keymaker < 1115402711 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well < 1115402731 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read the logs :) < 1115402793 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i wish i wouldn't need to use windows never again < 1115402805 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, maybe later i don't have to < 1115402808 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't used Windows in .... < 1115402812 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*whew* ... < 1115402821 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1115402823 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even remember the last time I actively used Windows. < 1115402829 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good for you < 1115402844 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I work purely in a UNIX and GNU/Linux environment at work, I run GNU/Linux and the occasional BSD on my home systems.. < 1115402909 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. i wonder has there ever been any medical research about "how $/m windows affects one's health" < 1115402930 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably the results would have been that active use of microsoft products causes < 1115402960 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[insert some medical stuff here] < 1115402972 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has there ever been any medical research into the effects of BrainFuck on the human ... err ... brain? < 1115402985 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115403017 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would probably be filled with positive stuff how that wonderful language increases brain capacity and keeps brain in good condition < 1115403020 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Well, time to go to the store >>>>>>>>>> I'll take one of these - and one of these >- and two of those >>>-- < 1115403026 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1115403030 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115403118 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :must go yet again. hopefully i can get to see the dvd.. < 1115403128 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :be back lamer < 1115403135 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*later :p < 1115403137 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Freedom!" < 1115403252 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the way, whoever reads this log in the future, my "lol" up there was in response to Keymaker, not myself, I'm not so lame as to lol to my own joke. < 1115403397 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION suddenly realizes the implications of somebody reading the log in the future. < 1115403419 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If somebody reads this log in 2015, when I am inevitably world-famous, what will they think of me? < 1115403438 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :millions of people read #esoteric log every day < 1115403444 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with their morning coffee < 1115403464 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't so much care about current reading ... it's how it reflects on my future. < 1115403479 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will ORK get me hoisted from my position as supreme overlord of Earth? I don't like that thought. < 1115403540 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not? < 1115403541 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1115403548 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :misread. < 1115403558 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason i read that "from" as "to" < 1115403563 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes more sense that way < 1115405358 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: sorry for the delay... about the spec, could I take a look at it somehow? < 1115406426 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not until at least this evening - I can't connect to my work's WLAN on my laptop, and have no other way of transferring off the files, so they languish there until I go home. At that point, of course. < 1115406482 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err, this evening in my timezone... < 1115406488 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm GMT-8 < 1115406505 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's 11:00AM here < 1115406545 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, tomorrow morning for you I guess. < 1115406575 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, no problem < 1115406602 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even DCC? < 1115406618 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not actually on my laptop, I'm on my work comp. < 1115406624 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My laptop has no network connection whatsoever. < 1115406638 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are you IRCing? < 1115406648 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1115406653 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I understand now < 1115406918 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can always type in the file ;) < 1115406951 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's too much work, you can gzip | uuencode it first so it's smaller < 1115406976 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and type in the uuencoded version < 1115407196 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow! That is brilliant! < 1115407201 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why didn't I think of that?! < 1115407245 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :M9&9A:75S:&]D9G5I9&AAs < 1115414238 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Write the entire page in SPL 8-D < 1115414259 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, I'm currently using PHP but I guess I could port it to something else < 1115414261 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't I write a web server in funge98, or was that just a dream? < 1115414269 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thue comes to mind < 1115414274 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1115414279 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1115414307 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to see a BF web server ... obviously you would need to run it as " nc -e bfi httpd.bf -l -p 80 " < 1115414361 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm afraid of nc after looking at the code, now I use tcpserver < 1115414470 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I added an SCKE extension (with a 'peek for incoming data' command) to augment the SOCK extension, for the web server, but I'm not sure I ever got around to writing the server itself. < 1115414489 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Actually I've been wanting to do some dynamic web-stuff with Scheme, but that's not esoteric either.) < 1115414570 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've seen some Debian package which was actually a Scheme script somewhere... I don't remember what it was right now < 1115414572 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: Original nc or GNU netcat? < 1115414585 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnu netcat? probably not < 1115414593 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one shipped with Debian < 1115414600 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe GNU netcat was a total rewrite. < 1115414602 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might be better. < 1115414618 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wonder, it was a mess < 1115414656 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION files that info somewhere in the queue for later processing < 1115415585 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: I just figured out what you meant so many messages ago about "currently in PHP but I could port it to something else" < 1115415603 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually meant in the design of the page, have little bits of esoteric programming snuck in, not in the language the page is written in. < 1115415656 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean as a background or something? < 1115415722 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I have just reread your sentence < 1115415732 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I understand it better < 1115416228 0 :KnX!~KnX@juv34-2-82-226-155-84.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1115416238 0 :KnX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'lo < 1115416270 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :re KnX < 1115416288 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And behold! < 1115416408 0 :KnX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm searching an efficient implementation for an arbitrary-dimentional funge-space in C, if someone has a good idea ... < 1115417743 0 :KnX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there someone alive for a fingeprint-related question ? < 1115417747 0 :KnX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+r < 1115418482 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1115418521 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fingerprint? < 1115418542 0 :GregorR!~GregorR@c-24-21-138-66.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1115418596 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's funge-related then I'm not funge-oriented < 1115418631 0 :KnX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's funge-related < 1115418659 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry then, I can't help with that < 1115418785 0 :KnX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i remember well my maths , "if ( if it's funge-related then I'm not funge-oriented ) is true , then ( if i'm funge-oriented then it's not funge-related ) is true" , sounds like murphy's law < 1115418854 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehehe, you're pretty much right I'm afraid < 1115419080 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could get into Befunge ... but I've always found it to be not quite esoteric enough ;) < 1115419083 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just kidding of course. < 1115419133 0 :KnX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compared to other esoteric , he is very easy to learn and usable , making it less esoteric i think < 1115419166 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FYI, I have a project dedicated to a Malbolge program < 1115419217 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's also very easy to learn and usable, ya know < 1115419220 0 :KnX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know malbolge very well, if you have an URL with specs ... < 1115419225 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, now, Malbolge is just TOO esoteric for me. < 1115419231 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1115419250 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malbolge_programming_language < 1115419283 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, BF is the PERFECT esoteric language, because it's just minimalist. It's not that it's necessarily designed to hinder you, it's just designed with the minimum number of features to function. < 1115419304 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION raises hand < 1115419317 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that Thue meets these characteristics too < 1115419384 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I also love Thue) < 1115419489 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's my non-deterministic language of choice < 1115419541 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're very Thue-oriented you can hand-compile Thue programs in most current languages < 1115419596 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(C has just such stupid string handling philosophy that doesn't fit well in that cathegory) < 1115419645 0 :Keymakere!~Not@wire74.adsl.netsonic.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1115419654 0 :Keymakere!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, brainfuck is perfect < 1115419700 0 :Keymakere!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as well, finally found a working dvd player; VLC media player. had to quit the movie because i started to fall asleep :)) < 1115419705 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As per usual, Gregor is the only person who actually LIKES pointer manipulation. < 1115419718 0 :Keymakere!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's not boring but that always happens) < 1115419724 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heheh < 1115419725 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good! < 1115419739 0 :Keymakere!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, could someone tell me how thue works? < 1115419744 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same 'ere < 1115419747 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need a spec < 1115419748 0 :Keymakere!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been trying to understand it couple of times < 1115419754 0 :Keymakere!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't understand it < 1115419757 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: I'm not saying it's bad, it's just too low-level for certain things < 1115419763 0 :Keymakere!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the official manula doesn't tell almost anything < 1115419763 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahhhh < 1115419764 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agreed < 1115419777 0 :Keymakere!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Keymaker < 1115419778 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thue is just pure and mere string substitution < 1115419785 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Keymaker btw < 1115419792 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi :) < 1115419803 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, what does that mean? < 1115419806 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thue_programming_language < 1115419832 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops, follow the link to the spec, please < 1115419835 0 :KnX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :( understanding how thue work is a thing, but understanding how to work with thue .... :/ ) < 1115419839 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, doesn't explain much :) < 1115419848 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok < 1115419885 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://catseye.mine.nu:8080/projects/thue/doc/thue.txt < 1115419887 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1115419905 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the manual i meant < 1115419917 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't explain almost anything (at least to me) < 1115419928 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hold a sec < 1115419941 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keymaker: Have you taken a logic programming class? < 1115419949 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1115419961 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't had any chance < 1115419970 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that goes well into the deep pit of logic programming :-P < 1115419983 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wooh PROLOG, right on the edge of esotiridom. < 1115419986 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115420014 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like there isn't even mentioned any 0 or 1 in thue.txt yet those example programs are filled with them etc.. < 1115420038 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the manual sucks :p < 1115420041 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://web.archive.org/web/20031210145310/http://cyberspace.org/~lament/thue.html < 1115420050 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try the examples < 1115420052 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Archive.org eh :( < 1115420067 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, just another one < 1115420078 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1115420114 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a couple find-and-replace rules and a starting string, that's all < 1115420119 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW, is the esolangs page going to have something like an editor's choice of languages? < 1115420121 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, there are special rules for I/O < 1115420157 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not meant to be a generic page, just the stuff I've dedicated to and perhaps a bit of preservation effort < 1115420163 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahh < 1115420175 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and as well there's @ and * and . and stuff like that not mentioned in the manual. well, maybe i should try harder to understand it. but someone should make a thue tutorial! < 1115420186 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or at least explain the language to me so i could make one :p) < 1115420186 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be nice if it had a "preservation wiki" where people could just copy in stuff that was in threat of doom. < 1115420191 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :these are just strings, not instructions < 1115420206 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, GregorR < 1115420214 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a wonderful idea < 1115420221 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1115420240 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is thue turing-complete? < 1115420257 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1115420259 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari set up a wiki yesterday or so... < 1115420270 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is < 1115420283 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1115420291 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really would like to learn it < 1115420306 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is drowning in Mozilla tabs and windows < 1115420310 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1115420328 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1115420344 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thue definitely looks like you'd need to take logic programming first ... at least learn prolog from some site online ... it's a fundamentally different programming theory. < 1115420354 0 :KnX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wants tree-oriented Mozilla tabs < 1115420361 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115420371 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd be great! :) < 1115420380 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed. pretty nice idea! < 1115420383 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the tab-maintanence time would overwhelm the usefulness of such a setup, unless the tabs organized themselves somehow... < 1115420402 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe by site? (google tabs, esoteric.sange.fi tabs...) < 1115420406 0 :KnX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, they have to self-organize in some way < 1115420423 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, GregorR, it's a different paradigm but not so hard to try < 1115420449 0 :KnX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe replace the "open in tabs" by "open as new root" , "open as child" , "open as sibling" < 1115420470 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'm exaggerating it's strangeness to the average functional/OO programmer. < 1115420511 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somebody run a third conversation, I want to make sure that the people who read this log have no idea what anybody's talking about. < 1115420537 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1115420562 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll start a third conversation with self-indulgance: http://directnet.sourceforge.net/ 8-D < 1115420577 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, about Mozilla tabs, don't you think that the several open options might make simple actions more confusing? < 1115420596 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And have you ever heard of Caves of Gorlop? It's written in Prolog and it's rouge-like. < 1115420632 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is htat some game? < 1115420673 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. But it's written in Prolog so it's really weird. < 1115420680 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1115420697 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Merely because logic programming is probably not the best for rouge-like games :-P < 1115420718 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is logic programming? < 1115420729 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmmmmm, brief example ... < 1115420742 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :T(X) :- X < 3. < 1115420746 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :T(5). < 1115420752 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a stupid example... < 1115420769 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that would say that the predicate T is true where X (its parameter) is less than 3, or equal to 5. < 1115420771 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think (after a quick look) that Thue is _that_ much like logic programming. Sure, there's the non-determinism, but Thue seems simply to be an "algorithm" for applying unrestricted grammars, whereas I associate logic programming with a set of structured facts, predicates and a unification system for answering queries about it. < 1115420791 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, grammars and logic programming are sort of related. < 1115420804 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything's sort of related. :p < 1115420811 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Way back when I was referring to logic programming classes, which is where one would generally first learn about grammars. < 1115420813 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: i see < 1115420897 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Merely because grammars are easier to implement in logic programming than in functional/OO programming) < 1115421076 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think here (hut.fi) people usually learn about grammars on "T-79.148 introduction to theoretical computer science", which (for most people) comes before "T-93.540 logic programming". Parsing grammars is another thing, though. (Although intro-to-tcs did have some lecture slides and assignments about using CYK to parse context-free grammars.) < 1115421213 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. I have never seen class numbers look so foreign to me ... < 1115421370 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that Thue is the missing link between Goedel's theorem and Turing's halting problem < 1115421449 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The numbers are of the form -<"section">.. 'T' is for computer science ('tietotekniikka'), and 79 is the theoretical computer science lab, whereas 93 would be 'information processing science'.) < 1115421617 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ought to do some work ... < 1115421623 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What with my sitting in a cube ... < 1115421625 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not doing work ... < 1115421641 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1115421658 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you doing/should do? < 1115421707 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a "Software Build Engineer" < 1115421717 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1115421739 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep software up to date across UNIX and GNU/Linux systems. < 1115421748 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Open source software, specifically. < 1115421755 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1115421799 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"But isn't that just apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade?" :p < 1115421877 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are SOOO many stupid issues. < 1115421891 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm using Perl 5.004 and I want PerlQt but not with the latest Qt, I need Qt 3.0" < 1115421918 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it was just about keeping everything at the latest, and it was just GNU/Linux, I wouldn't have this job :-P < 1115422413 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rgh.. i'm tired. or well, i don't feel very tired but brain doesn't work, so it's time to get some sleep. it's annoying when you can't concentrate thinking some stuff. like for example i would like to program in brainfuck now but can't even get program idea (or well, i have some but can't get those started with this brain). < 1115422427 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, see you today later/earlier :) < 1115422430 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'nite < 1115422441 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Freedom!" < 1115422568 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's 01:30am localtime already. < 1115422595 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn time zones :-P < 1115422598 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0:30 here < 1115422606 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3:30 PM here < 1115422615 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm clearly on the wrong side of the planet ;) < 1115422641 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: If you go to sleep now and wake up early, you can be up in time to get specs on ORK ;) < 1115422648 0 :KnX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like google-translator can't help me , how do you name in english the parts of a finger ( in french it's phallanges FYI ) ? < 1115422670 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a phalanx? < 1115422673 0 :KnX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :( yes it's befunge-related ) < 1115422684 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Being a native English speaker, I ought to be able to answer that. < 1115422695 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to vote knuckle, but I'm not sure if that's what you're looking for. < 1115422714 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wordreference.com/ < 1115422724 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Being a non-native speaker, wordnet has "1. (3) phalanx -- (any of the bones (or phalanges) of the fingers or toes)" but I wouldn't have recognized that. < 1115422765 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the plural of phalanx? < 1115422781 0 :KnX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wordreferences doesn't find anything for phallanges < 1115422785 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think any native speaker would recognize that word, seems pretty, oh, esoteric to me. < 1115422806 0 :KnX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm, strange < 1115422815 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try with a single "l" < 1115422832 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and singular < 1115422832 0 :KnX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :English->French with phalanx gives me phallange , but French->English with phallange doesn't give me anything < 1115422861 0 :KnX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel curious about they searching algorithm / database < 1115422870 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me insist in the single "l" < 1115422881 0 :KnX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1115422884 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's the letter L not the number 1) < 1115422902 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phalange. < 1115422916 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the word you want. < 1115422920 0 :KnX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1115422926 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spelled like that, that is. < 1115422941 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather than phalanx, which I don't think anybody would recognize. < 1115422948 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1115422964 0 :KnX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx < 1115423015 0 :KnX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just because i have always some difficulties to find names for my variables and structs , and for something a part of a fingerprint, i thought about a phalanxprint, but i think it won't help anybody to understand with a name like this ... < 1115423061 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, shows the hand's bones in the second page < 1115423141 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not use your native tongue? < 1115423231 0 :KnX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i prefer english for C, kind of a standard < 1115423283 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I can see the logic behind that - if your code falls into the hands of somebody else, they'll likely at least speak some English. < 1115423293 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because English is taking over the planet >_> < 1115423300 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is both a good thing and a bad thing. < 1115424244 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here in Spain people try to make distinctions by language while the rest of the world are making efforts towards unification :( < 1115424489 0 :calamari!~calamari@dialup-4.240.245.9.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1115424498 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :H'lo calamari. < 1115424530 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see how immense Gregor's Spanish vocabulary is from the two terms he took... < 1115424543 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me llamo Gregor. < 1115424558 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yo estoy ... adjective. < 1115424572 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi GregorR < 1115424584 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err.. hola ;) < 1115424598 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's the other word I know. < 1115424602 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :como esta usted? < 1115424603 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes 5. < 1115424615 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yo estoy bueno. < 1115424626 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't need "yo," do I? < 1115424630 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Estoy bueno. < 1115424643 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?Y usted? < 1115424662 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry for mangling your language pgimeno :P < 1115424690 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bien, pero Linux es dificil < 1115424710 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good, but Linux is a word I don't know. < 1115424713 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah yes, I see. < 1115424716 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1115424722 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi :) < 1115424728 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gnome, actually.. being a pita < 1115424756 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari, http://lilly.csoft.net/~jeffryj/wiki/index.php?pagename=GeneralDiscussion < 1115424780 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a KDE user myself. < 1115424794 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're both very cool. < 1115424865 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than "Yo estoy bueno" it'd be "Estoy bien" ("Yo estoy bueno" is something like "I look awesome" in local slang) < 1115425006 0 :KnX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember me something ... < 1115425017 0 :KnX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :spent a whole week in a family in spain < 1115425022 0 :KnX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a school travel < 1115425042 0 :KnX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :saying "estas bueno" or something like this to say it was ok < 1115425064 0 :KnX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at last the ( in fact beautifull ) girl of the home told us about our mistake < 1115425079 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115425137 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: It'll last.. it's on my shell, which I use for E-mail, and never plan to get rid of ($5/month how can I beat that?) < 1115425144 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there an official character encoding in FreeNode? < 1115425155 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: not exactly crazy about that wiki software tho.. seems slow and buggy < 1115425170 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: yeah it looks a bit buggy :) < 1115425171 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes it renders the page wrong for me.. refresh and its fine < 1115425182 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't get it right even after refresh < 1115425190 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe a stylesheet issue or something < 1115425200 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah.. kinda weird < 1115425254 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, in case you plan to maintain it for at least, say, five years I'd go for that < 1115425401 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe MoinMoin works better than that < 1115425514 0 :KnX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :somebody knows why programming creativity explodes after midnight ? < 1115425540 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because otherwise how else would you be late to work? < 1115425589 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I could write a quine in 2L (no) < 1115425602 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds eeky < 1115425611 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like one form of painful death. < 1115431459 0 :rollman!~rollman@adsl-78-221-137.sdf.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1115434100 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hoi < 1115434109 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the Europeans are asleep I imagine. < 1115434812 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm geeker than that actually < 1115434887 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wowsa. < 1115434891 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're awake. < 1115434989 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not for long but yes < 1115435027 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.befunge.org/fyb/ork/partialSpec < 1115435042 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not done or pretty, but it has the basics. < 1115435084 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay! < 1115435176 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a suggestion: try to differentiate the language constructs from the regular text, e.g. by indenting language constructs < 1115435187 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good point. < 1115435204 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1115435320 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wee, and you say you have a compiler for it?! < 1115435386 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did I already say it rocks? < 1115435398 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes :-P < 1115435401 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The compiler is up there. < 1115435405 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ork-0.4.tar.bz2 < 1115435407 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ork-0.4.zip < 1115435412 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.5 is coming soon... < 1115435422 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa < 1115435422 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has some nice ascii-code-to-string-and-back conversion. < 1115435439 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't look at ork.c 8-D < 1115435441 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will hurt you. < 1115435450 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're going to burst my exclamation abilities < 1115435468 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :burst is the right word here? < 1115435486 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so, if you're saying what I think you're saying :-P < 1115435513 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think ORK can take it's place as esoterica's needlessly object oriented language, no? < 1115435518 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I'll run out of exclamations before I express it < 1115435525 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's what I thought :-P < 1115435543 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really think so < 1115435556 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would not be too hard to interpret, I think < 1115435624 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just easier to compile to C++ *shrugs* < 1115435632 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That way I don't actually have to worry about the object orientation 8-D < 1115435660 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe, that's what I supposed < 1115435694 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still haven't been able to get hold of any OOPS version < 1115435699 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sad :( < 1115435711 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's make a pact to keep ORK alive :-P < 1115435742 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's your only potential competitor and there's no instance of the OOPS class so I guess yours is it :) < 1115435769 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yours is the OO esoteric language, I mean < 1115435777 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heheh < 1115435781 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! < 1115435788 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MY BF INTERPRETER (missing features) WORKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! < 1115435798 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once I get loops working, I'm in da money!!!! < 1115435824 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in ORK? < 1115435833 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup :) < 1115435849 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's quite possibly the ugliest thing ever :) < 1115435874 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[insert funny exclamation here]! < 1115435878 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1115435896 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'm going to dive deep into loops, so I probably won't be responsive for at least a half hour. < 1115435904 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're still awake then ... holy crap man, go to sleep ;) < 1115435909 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to leave now actually < 1115435912 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heheh < 1115435913 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye < 1115435921 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see you tomorrow < 1115437915 0 :calamari_!~calamari@dialup-4.240.245.254.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1115438194 0 :GregorR-L!~GregorR-L@c-24-21-138-66.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1115438217 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's official. < 1115438220 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ORK is turing complete. < 1115438224 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote a BF interpreter in it. < 1115438227 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's 255 lines. < 1115438899 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1115439182 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In BF, you can make a program that does a disturbing amount of function and fit it easily in 1/2 page. < 1115439194 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In ORK, the fibonacci sequence is 1 1/2... < 1115439200 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A BF interpreter is 4... < 1115439478 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.befunge.org/fyb/ork/orkfuck.ork :) < 1115440407 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love how my celebration goes totally unnoted if I celebrate in (my) evening. < 1115440476 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure pgimeno will wake up in a half hour at 6:00AM :-P < 1115440561 0 :KnX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :re < 1115440584 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hoi < 1115440594 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somebody's awake :-P < 1115440615 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So how's your x-dimensional funge interpreter going? < 1115440670 0 :KnX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll stuck with my current idea < 1115440687 0 :KnX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a very ugly big hashtable < 1115440701 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mind sending me the current code? < 1115440717 0 :KnX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no current code yet < 1115440732 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahh. < 1115440733 0 :KnX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :juste code thinking and design < 1115440734 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just design? < 1115440736 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1115440746 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly the better way to go, though I usually don't :-P < 1115440778 0 :KnX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a good way if i can manage to no-overdesign the project < 1115440789 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :True as well. < 1115440826 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The person writing the curses UI for DirectNet spent a ludicrous amount of time on design, and then scrapped large chunks of it when it didn't quite work right :-P < 1115440949 0 :KnX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll have to try directnet < 1115440986 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bwahahahah, one advertizement point to me :-P < 1115440996 0 :KnX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^ < 1115441031 0 :KnX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used the future < 1115441060 0 :KnX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wich is usualy exponentialy long according to my todolist < 1115441121 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heheh < 1115441131 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As per many todo lists. < 1115441135 0 :KnX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :humans need a fork mechanism, i am too often in a "A and B are both interesting things to do, wichever to work on first ?" < 1115441162 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Problem is, once you've forked you can never recombine. < 1115441166 0 :KnX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the chosen one becones the not chosen one just after < 1115441189 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need pthread_create so that one of them can write it's memory to the other :-P < 1115441265 0 :KnX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Real Problem (tm) is, if programmers can fork without some kind of sex or girl limitation, for efficiency sake, world is in danger < 1115441275 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1115441278 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :True, true fact. < 1115441346 0 :KnX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :next problem is "it's 5:45 AM, my bag is not ready, i slept 1 hour, i have a 3 hour long bus travel waiting me in 15min" < 1115441381 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And hence, you will inevitably forget something significant. < 1115441847 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 minutes < 1115442197 0 :KnX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 minutes ? < 1115442198 0 :KnX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lag ? < 1115442219 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CTCP TIME says your clock says 5:59 now. < 1115442238 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, what I meant was you had 8 minutes left ;) < 1115442312 0 :KnX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1115443828 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: could you please pass a message to pgimeno when you see 'em? I've set up a MoinMoin wiki as suggested, and it works a LOT better. I'm setting my domain to forward http://esowiki.kidsquid.com/ to the wiki. < 1115443889 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In all likelihood, he will read that from the log. If I see him before you, sure. < 1115443901 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :either way works. thanks :) < 1115444013 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was worried that it'd be going away soon.. but I have no plans of doing that. I should have the kidsquid.com domain for a long time, so I'll update the redirect if it's ever needed < 1115448103 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*yawn* < 1115448191 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :getting tired? http://esowiki.kidsquid.com/ is up and running :) < 1115448351 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to make binfmt_bf < 1115448802 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be trivial to make it just run bfi... < 1115448809 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to actually implement the interpretation in the kernel. < 1115448843 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean like elf? < 1115448908 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the actuall code in ELF files is implemented by the CPU. < 1115448912 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which makes this complex... < 1115448913 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1115448918 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but same idea as elf < 1115448931 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :From the user's perspective. < 1115448933 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an elf file isn't calling /bin/elf :) < 1115448939 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heheh. < 1115448940 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1115448951 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, right no I'm failing miserably :-P < 1115448951 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't realize you were a kernel hacker < 1115449017 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am if I call myself one 8-D < 1115449105 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But speaking more seriously, I did make a case insensitive ext3 driver. < 1115449122 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately, it seems that the plethora of usermode programs still makes case insensitivity a problem. < 1115450961 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grr < 1115450974 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I can do it by any means other than running it through bfi :( < 1115451395 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ? ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? < 1115451395 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ? ? [*] Kernel support for Brainfuck binaries ? ? < 1115451395 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ? ? [ ] Kernel support for ELF binaries ? ? < 1115451399 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ? ? [ ] Kernel support for a.out and ECOFF binaries ? ? < 1115451402 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ? ? [ ] Kernel support for MISC binaries ? ? < 1115451558 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL! < 1115451579 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just found small.c on esoteric.sange.fi on the same day it was posted! < 1115451586 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's good to know that site is still kept up. < 1115452799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1115452800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1115452807 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1115456873 0 :Keymakere!~Not@wire74.adsl.netsonic.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1115456876 0 :Keymakere!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1115456884 0 :Keymakere!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow; great stuff GregorR < 1115456898 0 :Keymakere!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice to see more brainfuck interpreters in other esoteric languages < 1115456912 0 :Keymakere!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impressive work < 1115457074 0 :Keymakere!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well, good job with the manual but i think you should tell more clearly about stuff < 1115457082 0 :Keymakere!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and yeah i know it's not final version yet ;)) < 1115457100 0 :Keymakere!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like *every* thing there is in the language < 1115457178 0 :calamari!~calamari@dialup-4.240.245.234.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1115457253 0 :Keymakere!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1115457261 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Keymaker < 1115457265 0 :Keymakere!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiya < 1115457287 0 :Keymakere!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyways, to repeat, i'm really impressed of ORK :) although it's too esoteric for me :p < 1115457385 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1115457485 0 :kipple!~kipple@163.80-202-100.nextgentel.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1115459728 0 :Keymakere!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Freedom!" < 1115466248 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you just want to run an interpreter, you could do it with binfmt_misc. JIT-compilation of brainf*ck code to native, in the kernel, would rule, though. :p < 1115466538 0 :Keymaker!~Not@wire74.adsl.netsonic.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1115466863 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moin < 1115466890 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1115466892 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do'h < 1115466899 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad i gotta go now :) < 1115466904 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bus won't wait < 1115466906 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1115466909 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Freedom!" < 1115466912 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops, later < 1115467043 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, the esoteric-related to-do list is currently: 1) praise GregorR for ORK; 2) make some work in the EsoWiki; 3) make something with my cat program in Malbolge... < 1115467062 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KnX: is there such thing as a Fork Theorem? < 1115467172 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: what'd I say... I'm impressed about ORK < 1115468482 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari, good work! Who's to announce the esowiki to the mailing list? you or me? < 1115469726 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1115485067 0 :Keymaker!~Not@wire74.adsl.netsonic.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1115485073 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cowabunga! < 1115485082 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that < 1115485639 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1115485750 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you did'nt get late to the bus < 1115485779 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or did it wait for you after all? < 1115486386 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1115486390 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1115486393 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or no < 1115486397 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wouldn't have waited < 1115486408 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it's public transport it just goes by if you don't stop it. < 1115486423 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i wanted to go with that bus and therefore had to go, so i could stop it on time < 1115486442 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1115487374 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bll.. again :D < 1115487377 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1115487380 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Freedom!" < 1115492319 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this channel is so insanely busy these days < 1115492320 0 :rollman!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1115492327 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :amazing < 1115492430 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel a bit guilty < 1115492441 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keymaker: There was a reason I called it a PARTIAL spec ;) < 1115492443 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi all. < 1115492449 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi GregorR < 1115492452 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll only be here for a few minutes right now :-P < 1115492463 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, me too < 1115492469 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to have some social life for a change < 1115492481 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But ... but I thought #esoteric was your social life :'( < 1115492481 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa < 1115492494 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe, mostly < 1115493042 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :later all < 1115496438 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's noon here, and yet you're probably all quite gone.; < 1115496448 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's 9PM. < 1115496492 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1115496519 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, you're in my timezone 8-D < 1115496547 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oaky < 1115496564 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now, I am to eat :-P < 1115496588 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oyak < 1115501742 0 :Keymaker!~Not@wire74.adsl.netsonic.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1115501746 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1115501835 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1115501857 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1115503757 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1115503762 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm tired < 1115503770 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is unfair! < 1115503784 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. see you in the morning. < 1115503784 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Freedom!" < 1115519314 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1115539199 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1115539200 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1115546167 0 :Keymaker!~Not@wire74.adsl.netsonic.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1115546170 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1115550874 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Freedom!" < 1115551910 0 :kipple!~kipple@163.80-202-100.nextgentel.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1115575350 0 :puzzlet!~puzzlet@61.247.148.38 JOIN :#esoteric < 1115577059 0 :Keymaker!~Not@wire74.adsl.netsonic.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1115577063 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1115577669 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hoi < 1115577672 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1115577686 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How goes? < 1115577715 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1115577719 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although a bit annoyed < 1115577729 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :been trying to get to computer the past 4 hours probably < 1115577737 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(finally managed, it seems) < 1115577759 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably around a month or more ago < 1115577768 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was going to finally get that brainfuck related domain < 1115577776 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heheh, what's that/ < 1115577777 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with name nested-loops.org or nestedloops.org < 1115577779 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1115577785 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still haven't < 1115577796 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and can't decide name < 1115577837 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and to answer your question, i'm planning to start a small brainfuck site < 1115577845 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly dedicated for my own stuff < 1115577848 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahhh yes. < 1115577851 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and interesting bf related things < 1115577856 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115577868 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but can't make up the name < 1115577873 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is so annoyingly hard < 1115577920 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you trying to avoid obscenities in the domain name itself? < 1115577940 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure < 1115577949 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure if the place allows to use 'fuck' in the domain name < 1115577960 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well, that might in the worst case attract wrong sort of traffic < 1115577968 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :True < 1115577984 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that is one strange, not-very-legal fetish. < 1115577985 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at least from some bizarre necromancer site) < 1115577997 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slow fingers.. :) < 1115578003 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1115578021 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115578047 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if there actually is that kind of people (with brainfuck fetish).. i hope NOT < 1115578166 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyways... < 1115578175 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone done any Cool Stuff (tm) today? < 1115578183 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like programs or languages? :) < 1115578184 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just woke up :-P < 1115578186 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1115578205 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that's a start :) < 1115578223 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about www.plusplusplusplusplusplusplusplusstartlooprightplusplusplusplusplusplusplusplusplusleftminusendlooprightoutputleftplusplusplusplusplusstartlooprightplusplusplusplusplusplusleftminusendlooprightminusoutputplusplusplusplusplusplusplusoutputoutputplusplusplusoutputleftplusplusplusplusplusplusplusplusstartlooprightrightplusplusplusplusleftleftminusendlooprightrightoutputleftleftplusplusplusplusstartlooprightminusminusminusm < 1115578223 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :inusminusminusleftminusendlooprightoutputleftplusplusplusplusstartlooprightplusplusplusplusplusplusleftminusendlooprightoutputplusplusplusoutputminusminusminusminusminusminusoutputminusminusminusminusminusminusminusminusoutputrightplusoutput.com < 1115578232 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1115578241 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That way, the URL is a brainfuck program itself 8-D < 1115578245 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1115578249 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm too lazy to convert it < 1115578254 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's hello world :-P < 1115578257 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1115578261 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just going to ask :) < 1115578261 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you could make it say "Brainfuck" or something :-P < 1115578265 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1115578274 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :easy to remember ;) < 1115578280 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah! < 1115578284 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rolls off the tongue! < 1115578290 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1115578296 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the name is the only problem < 1115578304 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's amazing how i've planned it probably half year < 1115578306 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1115578310 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but aaaaargh < 1115578314 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i gotta invent some good one now < 1115578317 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :www.8ops.org < 1115578322 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not bad < 1115578334 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, can a domain name start with a number? < 1115578338 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1115578340 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1115578346 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can even be only numbers < 1115578354 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, yes, it can. < 1115578362 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've thought about including that 8 somewhere < 1115578376 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should buy x.com from paypal :-P < 1115578384 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115578391 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Merely because it doesn't even fit domain rules. < 1115578402 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1115578424 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something power-8 could be fun too < 1115578437 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :www.thepowerof8.* < 1115578442 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1115578468 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.. length of a web domain is limited < 1115578474 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1115578483 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, mine wouldn't actually work ;) < 1115578490 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1115578509 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the english name for ',' < 1115578513 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1115578514 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably a program to write "BF" could fit? < 1115578517 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comma < 1115578518 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keymaker: comma < 1115578523 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1115578527 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be cool < 1115578529 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comma.org < 1115578542 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_> < 1115578551 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know that that would be cool ;) < 1115578557 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1115578561 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1115578564 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is already taken < 1115578565 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1115578569 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i guess it's cool ;) < 1115578589 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darn, I lose. < 1115578595 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comma.com < 1115578599 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now that would be cool. < 1115578610 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah < 1115578633 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems that even comma.fi < 1115578635 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is taken < 1115578637 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1115578644 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, wouldn't take that anyways) < 1115578645 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :refreshes my memory of command.com < 1115578651 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1115578686 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :memorycell.org anyone? < 1115578690 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or memorycells? < 1115578757 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :www.plusplusplusplusplusplusopenrightplusplusplusplusplusplusplusplusplusplusplusleftminuscloserightoutputplusplusplusplusoutput.com < 1115578759 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's BF < 1115578763 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I think it's legal 8-D < 1115578769 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1115578794 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://quote-egnufeb-quote-greaterthan-colon-hash-comma-underscore-at.info/ < 1115578798 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the maximum < 1115578807 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sad :( < 1115578813 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool name < 1115578822 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've visited that site < 1115578826 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :before < 1115578916 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neuroprogramming? < 1115578991 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rgh < 1115578997 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't make up any name < 1115579115 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BFinland? :) < 1115579163 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bf8.org < 1115579167 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems to be available < 1115579218 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still like thepowerof8.* < 1115579229 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is nice, yes < 1115579319 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :..but i'm still not sure < 1115579580 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bf-hackers.org? < 1115579597 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or hacks < 1115579803 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grh < 1115579820 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate thinking names < 1115579837 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe for now on i will just give a number to everything instead of names < 1115579842 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :starting with zero < 1115579909 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1115579932 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zero.* are certainly taken. < 1115579996 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1115580002 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :noticed that < 1115580005 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1115580008 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not to mention null < 1115580076 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grh < 1115580097 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wait, maybe it comes to my mind from somewhere < 1115580103 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile.. < 1115580109 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder what i could do now < 1115580630 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :take time < 1115580660 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115580662 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not brainfuck.fi? < 1115580686 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be nice < 1115580687 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1115580698 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :taking a .fi domain costs was it 100e more < 1115580744 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have that kind of money < 1115580785 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1115580818 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides, Finnish (is that .fi?) necromancer porn is still necromancer porn. < 1115580827 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1115580830 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115580834 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot that as well < 1115580860 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not-necromancer-porn.org? < 1115580865 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1115580878 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) probably wouldn't be very good choice.. < 1115580920 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with Your #1 brainfuck source in web! < 1115580963 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :procreationOfTheBrain.* < 1115580985 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115581010 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :spomc.* -- side product of minimal compiler < 1115581180 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could go with Brainfork and just never mention the Y operator :-P < 1115581194 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115581849 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grhh.. i think i select either of these: bf-hackers or bf-hacks < 1115581852 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one?! < 1115581881 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably bf-hacks would be better imho < 1115582029 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok.. bf-hacks.net or bf-hacks.org ? < 1115582031 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i prefer org < 1115582072 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Definitely org. < 1115582076 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that it's a non-profit. < 1115582080 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But still definitely org. < 1115582134 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1115582165 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm, there's some field for organization or company, < 1115582212 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i fill there something? < 1115582369 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's not necessary but i mean just for fun..) < 1115582383 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quick, invent some bf organization! < 1115582567 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's the ENSI (and hi all) < 1115582630 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1115582674 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes back to the piano. < 1115582762 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115582884 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Royal Brainfuck Society"? < 1115582969 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, there it is now < 1115582978 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that's not bad at all, that RBS < 1115583013 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heheh < 1115583023 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115583038 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pronounced in a STRONG british accent < 1115583098 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1115583142 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyways, you're welcome to visit Royal Brainfuck Society's bf-hacks.org after about a week when it's up ;) < 1115583168 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll be pleased to be invited to the opening < 1115583210 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) you are welcome < 1115583221 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll tell about the grand openin' here < 1115583365 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll pay the bill tomorrow, too lazy to do that today < 1115583505 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i think i'll go to sleep.. must wake up 6:30.. zzZZz < 1115583511 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'nite! < 1115583516 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nite Keymaker < 1115583521 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Freedom!" < 1115587803 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boredom! < 1115587807 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CURE GREGOR'S BOREDOM! < 1115588670 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the ORK specification complete? < 1115589319 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1115589328 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's no cure for boredom right now ;) < 1115589333 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer to do that on the train. < 1115589793 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1115598008 0 :rollman!~rollman@adsl-78-221-137.sdf.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1115606348 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1115611557 0 :ChanServ!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Shutting Down < 1115611621 0 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. JOIN :#esoteric < 1115611621 0 :irc.freenode.net!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :+o ChanServ < 1115625599 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1115625600 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1115641738 0 :kipple!~kipple@163.80-202-100.nextgentel.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1115652421 0 :Keymaker!~Not@wire74.adsl.netsonic.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1115652424 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grrrrrrrrrrrrrh < 1115652429 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1115652443 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1115652455 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi kipple < 1115652557 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i paid the bf-hacks.org today (20 euros).. now it's just waiting till they get the domain up and running < 1115652564 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and till i make the site..) < 1115652570 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(should probably start soon) < 1115652589 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although the site won't be anything ground breaking by its design) < 1115652635 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, what are you planning to have there? < 1115652641 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck stuff < 1115652647 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my programs < 1115652650 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :links < 1115652658 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and info about brainfuck < 1115652665 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi all < 1115652669 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1115652678 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your site will be up in time to get linked from my site < 1115652687 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115652704 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm currently working in a thorough reorganization < 1115652712 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :including new content and stuff < 1115652728 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1115652730 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds good! < 1115652736 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, what was the url? < 1115652745 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.formauri.es/personal/pgimeno/ < 1115652747 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my webserver collapsed last week, so I don't have a site anymore... :( < 1115652753 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :d'oh < 1115652775 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ow < 1115652786 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have the kipple programs? are they safe? < 1115652790 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1115652822 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm paying for a hosting so that's no concern to me atm < 1115652843 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kipple: good! < 1115652851 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: yeah < 1115652888 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ran it on an old 180MHz machine under my bed... < 1115652897 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :180? < 1115652903 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1115652915 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't recall to have seen a 180 MHz machine < 1115652929 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I underclocked it so it doesn't need a CPU fan < 1115652937 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh :) < 1115652951 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1115652954 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be more precise I think it runs at 187,5 MHz. Originally 233 < 1115652967 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool (with double sense) < 1115652973 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happened to the machine? < 1115652987 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did it caught in fire the last week? :9 < 1115652995 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the harddisk crashed < 1115653002 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know how much is recoverable < 1115653005 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1115653014 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1115653015 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't had the time to look into it < 1115653024 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any valuable data in there, or just the webserver? < 1115653060 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used it to store a lot of movie files. Nothing important, but nice to have < 1115653068 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1115653095 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It had more Gigabytes of HD than MHz :) < 1115653103 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're lucky your disk crash can have been like mine, just a few unreadable sectors here and there < 1115653105 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1115653114 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115653163 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I hope I can recover it < 1115653180 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, have you tried cpuburn on it? < 1115653190 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that? < 1115653198 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a CPU heater < 1115653211 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just sucks CPU resources, exercising all circuits < 1115653243 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the purpose of that? to test the CPU? < 1115653248 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's dangerous but if the chip supports the stress you can say it'll support all kinds of normal loads < 1115653261 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1115653300 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think the CPU is the problem. < 1115653312 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I know < 1115653348 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just amazed it can run without a fan < 1115653384 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a very old CPU (1997 or something, I think), and I installed a new large heatsink on it < 1115653386 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my machine is also underclocked; otherwise I had to avoid running emulators and cpu-consuming programs during summer, even if I have a big fan pointing to the case < 1115653422 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see.. is there hot there in spain? < 1115653443 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not much, about 35C in the hottest days < 1115653449 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I live in Norway, so that is not so much of a problem... :) < 1115653463 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1115653471 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't know, or at least remember, that < 1115653484 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.formauri.es/personal/pgimeno/temp/dsc02325.jpg < 1115653499 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1115653500 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1115653518 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that kind of thing would be nice to have on desk < 1115653530 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and to be pointed at me instead of the computer :) < 1115653536 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fan looks static because the flash freezed the image but it's running < 1115653546 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1115653555 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need another one for myself < 1115653577 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, where in the world are you, Keymaker? < 1115653581 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :finland < 1115653607 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah :) < 1115653615 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's quite strange that there are some others from that country, here, as well < 1115653660 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i mean from finland) < 1115653669 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1115653673 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's only +13.31'C outside, I'm not sure what you'd need a fan for. < 1115653695 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only?! too hot :X( < 1115653716 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1115653718 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i prefer the winter temperatures (which were way too high this winter) < 1115653739 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, at least gotta hope for rainy summer >:{} < 1115653760 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115653772 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or well < 1115653777 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least < 1115653783 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sunny < 1115653797 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dry and cloudy could be something interesting as well < 1115653802 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's around 12C here < 1115653819 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1115653854 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a little poll: what encoding are you all using? to see if we can read each other's extended chars < 1115653855 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are the those.. what were those that slartibartfast (correct?) designed? < 1115653860 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*are there < 1115653868 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1115653878 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or well i know there are but do you live near them? < 1115653907 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fjords? < 1115653999 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess < 1115654024 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I live among them. (Bergen) < 1115654029 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah cool! < 1115654037 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :must look nice, at least in pictures < 1115654052 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and my web server that collapsed was named slartibartfast :) < 1115654060 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1115654123 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do those car roads do allkinds of crazy turns, or are they located near the sea? < 1115654136 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in some pictures i've seen them < 1115654144 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. some places < 1115654151 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but tunnels are also VERY common here < 1115654155 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's better drive slowly :) < 1115654157 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1115654160 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tunnels are cool < 1115654176 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad there isn't much < 1115654179 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think < 1115654187 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :much what? < 1115654210 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean many < 1115654215 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arg < 1115654217 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1115654230 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant too bad HERE aren't MANY tunnels < 1115654230 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tunnels? there are loads of tunnels here < 1115654231 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1115654234 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1115654236 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115654241 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just typing and didn't think < 1115654247 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant all time finland < 1115654251 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, they're quite boring to drive through actually < 1115654257 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1115654292 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the worlds longest tunnel is near here (24,5 km) < 1115654296 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woah < 1115654303 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's insane! < 1115654311 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any place the air can get in or out? < 1115654318 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or sunlight? < 1115654322 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there is another one just before it, but that one is *only* 10 or 15 or something < 1115654332 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X) < 1115654336 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are huge fans in the ceiling < 1115654340 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1115654341 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no sunligt < 1115654345 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool! < 1115654354 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have to visit norway sometime.. < 1115654402 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION appears briefly. < 1115654409 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115654412 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1115654417 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hoi < 1115654430 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi GregorR < 1115654435 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1115654445 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, quite the crowd right now./ < 1115654450 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1115654465 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keymaker: wikiepedia to the rescue: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%E6rdal_Tunnel < 1115654465 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115654474 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheers < 1115654531 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa < 1115654537 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's insanely cool place! < 1115654553 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or then i'm just insane) < 1115654559 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or both < 1115654596 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115654599 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, it has stopped raining here now, so I'll use the break to go and by some groceries. see you later < 1115654620 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's kind of freaky... < 1115654623 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just stopped raining here. < 1115654639 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and where is "here" for you? < 1115654644 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Portland, Oregon < 1115654669 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :, USA < 1115654700 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :, Earth, Sol, Milky Way < 1115654707 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1115654736 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where? < 1115654742 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm off too (I said I was here briefly), so, bye. < 1115654747 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115654935 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :later < 1115659536 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1115659542 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what should i do; < 1115659553 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fit all the stuff on one page (index.html) < 1115659563 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the spread it on several pages < 1115659577 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*then < 1115659753 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Re encoding, I'm using UTF-8 mostly, except ISO-8859-15 in irc (although this new irssi has some heuristics to intelligently guess and properly show incoming utf-8). < 1115659770 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1115659772 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(A small two-hour lag with answering.) < 1115659777 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1115659779 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115659977 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about the encoding... do you see it if I write 12C or Espaa or caf? < 1115660402 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gonna take few hours ;) < 1115660645 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you see it, Keymaker? < 1115660684 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :take your time, I can wait ;) < 1115660905 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1115660908 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can see them < 1115660966 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even write 2/3 of them.. rdy, eh? < 1115660988 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(actually not..) < 1115661005 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh :) < 1115661054 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, those work, although I don't think that character before C () is a correct "degree" symbol. < 1115661071 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's not but the correct one is not in a spanish keyboard :P < 1115661095 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was lazy to launch UniCharMap < 1115661147 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : it is. < 1115661171 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't type it with this keyboard, either. < 1115661201 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I _can_ type a lot of non-latin1 characters. and probably do not work. < 1115661206 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_ < 1115661215 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1115661219 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115661243 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to have a working "altgr+l" lambda key, but now it creates this weird "l with /" ł character. < 1115661280 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>,_,< < 1115661293 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(fish swimming towards) < 1115661314 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe, looks nice < 1115661317 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an upwards-arrow here too, ↑. Actually the keymap feels pretty random. I wonder if I still have my customized one somewhere. < 1115661344 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it switches to UTF-8 and I can't see these chars < 1115661435 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmm. They really should adopt utf-8 as a common standard in irc. < 1115661470 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was, but there are a few widely-used stupid Windows clients still not supporting it < 1115661499 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this seems to support < 1115661507 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i'm with XiRCON) < 1115661584 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use xchat and had FreeNode configured for UTF-8 but I had to switch because I also chat with spanish Windozers < 1115661636 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1115661698 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to use XiRCON when it was released, since I had a dual-boot box back then, but I think after version 1.0b4 the development just sorta-died. A pity, it seemed like a nice enough client. < 1115661699 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@j < 1115662909 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grgh < 1115662920 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to go < 1115662927 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope i can come back today later < 1115662935 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1115662941 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Freedom!" < 1115665897 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1115669797 0 :GregorR-L!~GregorR-L@host-226-125.dhcp.pdx.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1115669812 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My topic is still there X-D < 1115670053 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hadn't noticed that one < 1115670056 0 :Keymaker!~Not@wire74.adsl.netsonic.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1115670058 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun concept :) < 1115670060 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1115670174 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heheh < 1115671396 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1115671627 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm? < 1115671769 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1115671775 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just thinking < 1115671776 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess < 1115671889 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1115671895 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115671897 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thinking huh? < 1115671903 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What an interesting concept ;) < 1115671905 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, almost < 1115671914 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115672195 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I think I'll go finish up my ORK spec. < 1115672200 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1115672206 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i'll go to sleep < 1115672211 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115672215 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'nite < 1115672224 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Freedom!" < 1115673456 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.befunge.org/fyb/ork/README < slightly updated, but I've gtg :-P < 1115673493 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1115679159 0 :KnX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could someone explain me why same-line wrapping is called lahey-space wrapping, i can't find doc about lahey-space except befunge-related ? < 1115679753 0 :GregorR-L!~GregorR-L@host-226-125.dhcp.pdx.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1115679766 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To install 2L on this robot ... or not to install 2L on this robot ... that is the question. < 1115679832 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :robot? < 1115679961 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, in the compare example in the ORK spec, you say the output will be "greater". But it should be Equal, shouldn't it? < 1115680060 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Umm, lemme see how dumb I am :-P < 1115680061 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One sec < 1115680087 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Umm... < 1115680089 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly 5 > 5 < 1115680095 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what YOU'RE thinking. < 1115680116 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry. my mistake. wasn't thinking esoterically enough I guess < 1115680123 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fixed ;) < 1115680125 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1115681631 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thinkin' about writing a program in ORK? :P < 1115681670 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe :) < 1115681699 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heheh < 1115681699 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have a lang, right? < 1115681774 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That I've made myself, you mean? Yes. < 1115681790 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I thought. < 1115681793 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where's the spec? < 1115681795 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kipple < 1115681801 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my webserver crashed < 1115681802 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why I thought so ;) < 1115681807 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1115681829 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll get it up again. wikipedia some info < 1115681859 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"has some info " it should be < 1115681939 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I like it >:) < 1115681999 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks :) < 1115682043 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have an interpreter downloadable somewhere? < 1115682051 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I said, it went down < 1115682061 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrugs* Guess I'll wait :-P < 1115682066 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could upload the site somewhere else I guess < 1115682188 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a java interpreter pluss an online applet < 1115682272 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually ... < 1115682282 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll write a Kipple interpreter in ORK. < 1115682284 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps :-P < 1115682294 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be great! :) < 1115682539 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And in 2L, which is infinitely more evil 8-D < 1115682627 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :difficult handling multiple stacks in such a language I would think < 1115682751 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very < 1115682753 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8-D < 1115682769 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.pvv.ntnu.no/~runeberg/kipple/ < 1115682784 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems I have lost the index page, but I've got everything else < 1115682869 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the way the source code looks in 2L. < 1115682883 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :w00t < 1115682887 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heheh, thanks < 1115682898 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lot of repeating structures thar looks similar, but not quite < 1115682928 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That Hello World could have definitely been more efficient, but I was sort of in a rut by the end :-P < 1115682950 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since when did efficiency matter? ;) < 1115683002 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :E-ffic-ie-? Wha? < 1115683006 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1115684683 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fired up my webserver again, and now it actually seems to work fine... < 1115684694 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1115684701 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't it nice how that goe? < 1115684702 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*goes < 1115684706 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it was a one time glitch... < 1115684718 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe it will go down in a moment.... < 1115684725 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heheh < 1115686710 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, off to home now. < 1115686732 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll start working on that Kipple interpreter when I get home. < 1115686736 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye. i'm off to bed myself < 1115686741 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool! < 1115686742 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1115694961 0 :GregorR-L!~GregorR-L@c-24-21-138-66.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1115694972 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crapsicles ... Kipple doesn't need to be space-delimited? < 1115695458 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) < 1115699674 0 :Keymaker!~Not@wire74.adsl.netsonic.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1115699693 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorG: by its stacks? < 1115699706 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, there isn't said any size for them < 1115699717 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there is naturally limit < 1115699726 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the interpreter as well < 1115699991 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err, I meant that you can do stuff like: < 1115699996 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :44>a24>b32>c < 1115700001 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather than: < 1115700004 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :44>a 24>b 32>c < 1115700021 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah the first one is valid < 1115700028 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blee < 1115700088 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as is the second < 1115700094 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I knew that. < 1115700096 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes it a bit harder to parse ;) < 1115700098 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115700099 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1115700155 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not that much, just remember that stack names are one character (a..z or @) < 1115700164 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and input is digits 0..9 < 1115700223 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if there is for example a<99b>c you can 'easily' detect where the input stuff (99) ends, because there comes alphabet (b) < 1115700371 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmm < 1115700453 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well remember that a stack can be "connected" with two stuff like a>b<499 < 1115700461 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH < 1115700463 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_O < 1115700469 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115700480 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ORK is not a good language to do this in. < 1115700483 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or anything in, for that matter. < 1115700486 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1115700487 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1115700495 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is not to suggest that it can't be done. < 1115700498 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can. < 1115700501 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1115700512 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kipple interpreter in brainfuck would be neat < 1115700514 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1115700520 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the memory size is my problem < 1115700526 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean the cell range < 1115700528 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yih < 1115700541 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since i like the 8-bit environment < 1115700547 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115700549 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The original < 1115700551 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The classic < 1115700552 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be hard to have 32bit cells in that < 1115700553 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1115700571 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer 4 trinary bits myself < 1115700574 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make interpreter for language using 32bit cells would be hard < 1115700580 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115700616 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, 5 trinary bits. < 1115700622 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1115700623 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's 243 possibilities < 1115700629 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty close to 255 < 1115700637 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and.. what's trinary? < 1115700648 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Binary is 0 and 1, trinary is 0 1 and 2. < 1115700655 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes < 1115700656 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 is false, 2 is true, 1 is undetermined. < 1115700660 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1115700691 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or better yet, 1 is "Uuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh......" < 1115700701 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115700780 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, good luck with the interpreter < 1115700785 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i must go now < 1115700792 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye < 1115700795 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid other-than-computer-time :) < 1115700799 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1115700799 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heheh < 1115700803 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Freedom!" < 1115703966 0 :calamari!~calamari@dialup-4.240.246.41.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1115704292 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hOI < 1115704293 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hoi < 1115704299 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Good ol' caps lock) < 1115704426 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's it going? < 1115704980 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ten minutes later, Gregor reappears :-P ) < 1115704986 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goin' good. < 1115704993 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm busy failing to make a Kipple interpreter in ORK. < 1115705017 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1115705031 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't been keeping track of what's new in here < 1115705046 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm new 8-D < 1115705077 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :been trying to simplify a roguelike game to its essestials.. not an easy task < 1115705093 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :essentials, even < 1115705106 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been vaguely considering making a Roguelike probabilistic programming language. < 1115705115 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: did you create a new language? < 1115705116 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Merely because it would be so unbelievably stupid. < 1115705125 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, lesse ... < 1115705129 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last year I made 2L ... < 1115705133 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made FYB (see the topic) < 1115705137 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I recently made ORK. < 1115705146 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh thats right.. you did the corewars thing :) < 1115705150 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup < 1115705168 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew you did something cool recently, I just couldn't remember what it was < 1115705175 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heheh < 1115705260 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only one person has actually written a program to challenge mine in FYB. < 1115705264 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was that you? < 1115705267 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember who it was... < 1115705306 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope.. I was never good at corewars. I meant to play it, but ended up playing C-Robots instead (they were on the same shareware floppy) < 1115705313 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heheh < 1115705547 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you written a roguelike game before? Having trouble with dungeon generation. I need something VERY simple, but simple doesn't seem to be giving good results. < 1115705610 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm probably crazy tho.. the entire game will have to fit in 32k, and I have 16k of memory to work with :) < 1115705620 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOS? < 1115705640 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I haven't written a Roguelike - my consideration of creating a Roguelike programming language isn't quite the same as making a Roguelike game. < 1115705672 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not DOS.. Atari < 1115705678 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahh :) < 1115705683 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would it differ? < 1115705702 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you thinking more of a defined dungeon where the creatures just fight each other to the death? < 1115705704 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No actual generation of maps - the maps are the programs, so they would be human-made. < 1115705717 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how to explain this bizarre idea properly X-D < 1115705766 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would memory be? < 1115705784 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a creature? < 1115705799 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't quite figured that part out. < 1115705804 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The creatures would be ops < 1115705814 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it can't be the map, because that wouldn't grow < 1115705823 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1115705825 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the map would probably be the program < 1115705833 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like I said ;) < 1115705856 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rogue has staircases.. so you can have multiple levels (for loops, etc) < 1115705866 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I had already thought about that part. < 1115705881 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mainly I'd like to figure out memory before I implement. < 1115705895 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :creatures being memory would be interesting < 1115705910 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you can create or destroy them < 1115705923 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and do operations on them (attack) < 1115705946 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :operators could be their stats < 1115705949 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking that the "hero" would be the program pointer. It wouldn't be human controlled, it would wander randomly. < 1115706061 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't have to be random < 1115706073 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but that would make it more interesting 8-D < 1115706082 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could have a sort of simple AI that decides which creature to attack < 1115706095 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it would be predictable, but difficult to predict. < 1115706105 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd image the maps would be more like mazes with intersections where a decision would need to be made < 1115706207 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been wanting to write a fractal programming language (Star Trek).. but can't figure out how it'd work.. can't be a superficial BF model tacked on :) < 1115706216 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1115706329 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the program instead would have to be a fractal.. but memory would also < 1115706339 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead->itself .. bad typos tonight < 1115706877 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heheh < 1115707011 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is trying to determine how that works... < 1115707261 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you figure it out, let me know.. or better yet, write it :) < 1115707308 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1115709018 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I have no clue how that would work :-P < 1115711999 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1115712000 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1115714555 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1115715067 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1115732194 0 :kipple!~kipple@163.80-202-100.nextgentel.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1115733186 0 :Keymaker!~Not@wire74.adsl.netsonic.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1115733199 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reads the log first before writes anything :) < 1115733239 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1115733245 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting ideas there (again) < 1115733273 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have had kinda same idea, although not including any violent fighting.. < 1115733296 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like some maze "game" language featuring program pointer travelling in some maze < 1115733302 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and doing stuff < 1115733311 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending on stuff there is < 1115733317 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not any rpg crap < 1115733328 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate those < 1115733344 0 :KnX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :befunge+tron , everywhere you go, you make a wall , the IP reverse when she meet a wall < 1115733421 0 :KnX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :( in fact, it'd do hard to loop with such a language :/ ) < 1115733622 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1115733693 0 :KnX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the loop should rewrite herself while doing her "usefull" job < 1115733761 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1115733782 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but would be pretty hard if every single character/place/whatever would be replaced with a wall < 1115733826 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be pretty hard to fit some replace(x,y,with_this_character) into one character < 1115733836 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless the area is small < 1115733872 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there would be for example 20 instructions, it could work the way that the character would be char-20 < 1115733890 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then mod 10 to get x coordinate < 1115733898 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey wait.. < 1115733919 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the instruction should be checked first < 1115733947 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with some 255-char < 1115733997 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :..and finally the remaining stuff (after 10 or whatever) would be the y < 1115734030 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the area is small this kind of thing would work < 1115734066 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if the instruction would for example just need to move the pointer right then its x and y stuff would be ignored < 1115734145 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15x15 area (225) and 30 instructions could work :) < 1115734175 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe 15x16 (240) and 15 instructions < 1115734215 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but making the programs do any useful stuff, < 1115734227 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or making a infinite loop < 1115734266 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the instructions would just always need to build the maze back as it were, and the wouldn't get a change to execute any other instructions < 1115734308 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or well < 1115734373 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe having 15x15 area (225) (that includes x and y data), and then two instructions that can have 15 values < 1115734404 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way could be defined what place to replace with what, and what to execute < 1115734516 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well, could be used, that those x and y values could be used with the current instruction, for example it could print out 16*x+y as character < 1115734544 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well, could be that if what-to-replace is 0, nothing would be replaced < 1115734557 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instruction zero could be NOP < 1115734569 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and all the "walls" could be NOPs < 1115734598 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that when program pointer goes on it would make stuff automatically NOP while it goes < 1115734639 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with this kind of language highly random looking code could be also made, since the instructions could be anything between 0 and 255 < 1115734646 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'll think more about this.. < 1115734760 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be a bit difficult to write instructions 0-31 in the source code, though < 1115734925 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1115734963 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what about using hex editor with width 16? :) < 1115735038 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that would work :) < 1115735087 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115735092 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. how about making a language which ONLY uses control chars? :) < 1115735103 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1115735107 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat idea < 1115735118 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would make some really ugly source code < 1115735127 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the instruction depending from which direction the program pointer comes from? < 1115735133 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah < 1115735153 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably space could be the traditional NOP there, like in befunge < 1115735162 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very good idea actually < 1115735186 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, two insane program language ideas on this channel the past hour :) < 1115735205 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION starts thinking about this < 1115735283 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i counted right it would give 16 instructions to use (if having four directions and four instructions for them) < 1115735295 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? four? < 1115735304 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are like 30 control chars < 1115735312 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm? < 1115735336 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0-31 pluss 127 < 1115735375 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah i see what you mean < 1115735376 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are they perhaps called something else than "control" chars? < 1115735390 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was talking about a funge style langauge < 1115735405 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using space as blank and < > v ^ as direction characters < 1115735426 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1115735448 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be cool too < 1115735457 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1115735504 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.. would it be possible with only one character to control the direction? < 1115735511 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean it would be < 1115735512 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1115735521 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1115735551 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would cause executing unwanted instructions < 1115735555 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and therefore not good < 1115735581 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what about two instructions for moving? < 1115735588 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and one for space < 1115735620 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean, for space? < 1115735628 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like this < 1115735630 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : + < 1115735631 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : + < 1115735633 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : + < 1115735634 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : + < 1115735636 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : + < 1115735659 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the program is in 2d space the instructions can't be this way: < 1115735661 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+++++ < 1115735670 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you see what i mean < 1115735675 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1115735684 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1115735720 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this kind of thing would allow 8 instructions to be executed < 1115735731 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't that be much like wierd (or whatever it's called) < 1115735743 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1115735755 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not quite, iirc < 1115735767 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or maybe perfectly :P) < 1115735840 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc in wierd the instruction was defined by the angles the lines of '*' crossed each other < 1115735860 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, this would be kinda like that < 1115735867 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although more user-friendly < 1115735936 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(whatever that means :)) < 1115735974 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's usually not the most important thing in an esolang... :) < 1115735991 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1115736038 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. i need food (read: noodles) < 1115736046 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll be back. soon. < 1115737488 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1115737592 0 :KnX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for information , i decided to separate my befunge core from the funge-space, making a funge-space-librairy which could be usefull for many langages maybe ... < 1115741648 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaaaaaaargh < 1115742562 0 :KnX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1115742593 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course it's possible to have only one character to control direction flow. < 1115742596 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION references 2L < 1115742736 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1115742785 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but iirc the direction can be change in 2l if the first (?) memory cell is zero or non-zero < 1115742811 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's if the current cell - and you can force a direction, like so: < 1115742814 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Copy/paste) < 1115742832 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1115742833 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : + < 1115742833 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ < 1115742833 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> + < 1115742846 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In one case, it will turn right. In the other case, it will turn left-left-left < 1115742872 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in 2l there is one command to execute the instruction, right? < 1115742878 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1115742879 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and other to control the pointer < 1115742883 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was talking about < 1115742893 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :language where those would the same < 1115742897 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh < 1115742910 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only one command, period. < 1115742911 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm. < 1115742943 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like where program pointer would execute different instructions depending where it comes to the direction-changer < 1115742964 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and as far as i can see there is no way to make that kind of language working without it executing un-wanted instructions < 1115742973 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where as in its x-y location? < 1115742987 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry? (i can't understand) < 1115743023 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keymaker like where program pointer would execute different instructions depending where it comes to the direction-changer < do you mean the direction it comes from or the location of the next instruction? < 1115743040 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the direction where it comes from < 1115743044 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahhhhhh < 1115743046 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it for example comes from left < 1115743066 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I can't see how that could work, since you would be forced into a direction that wouldn't necessarily do what you want. < 1115743122 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or more like forced to execute unwanted instruction while trying to get the correct direction < 1115743130 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right < 1115743144 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if having two guiders < 1115743158 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like for example < 1115743169 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'|' and '-' < 1115743199 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait.. i try to think what i was about to say < 1115743202 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115743208 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heheh < 1115743260 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1115743262 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forget :) < 1115743267 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that won't work < 1115743286 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you would need at least 2. < 1115743290 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence the beauty of 2L ;) < 1115743294 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115743296 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1115743303 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is what i thought < 1115743423 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyways < 1115743430 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1115743457 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1115743458 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1115743467 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it still doesn't work that way < 1115743482 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like if the direction-changers execute instruction < 1115743496 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you still get unwanted instructions even if you have two of them < 1115743516 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could have a pure-direction-changer and an op-direction-changer. < 1115743543 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1115743791 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyways; GregorR: did you read the log? < 1115743798 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about that maze language ideas? < 1115743844 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Briefly, but I didn't quite get it :-P < 1115743865 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you're talking about me yesterday ;) < 1115743880 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that was just an allusion. < 1115743887 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh :) < 1115743895 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i was solo-talking < 1115743899 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty muchly < 1115743907 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably just writing what came to my mind :) < 1115743914 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heheh < 1115743921 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :esotalk :) < 1115743926 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I've got to go to school. < 1115743929 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See ya later. < 1115743930 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1115743932 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah < 1115744609 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1115744624 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1115744686 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{kipple the human}: could you please tell me if {kipple the language} is imperative and 1D? < 1115744714 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1115744729 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the definition of imperative? I think it is, but not quite sure < 1115744760 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is looking up in wikipedia < 1115744762 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure I could make up a definition < 1115744774 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for example, BF is < 1115744778 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it is definately not functional < 1115744779 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Befunge is as well < 1115744801 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it deterministic? < 1115744805 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arg. wikipedia is so incredibly slow < 1115744816 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1115744825 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k thanks < 1115744855 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION files the Kipple bookmark into his imperative 1-D deterministic languages folder < 1115744867 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the stacks are 1 dimentional, but since there are several stacks one could perhaps argue that it is 2D? < 1115744887 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi pgimeno < 1115744889 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I mean, befunge is a 2D language but (say) pascal, basic, etc. are 1d < 1115744894 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is 1D < 1115744905 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in case that isn't answered yet :)) < 1115744908 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there many langs that are not deterministic? I only know of Java2k I think < 1115744910 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115744922 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not many... I can recall of three right now < 1115744928 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, yes you mean dimentions in the source code of course < 1115744936 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1115744937 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, the IP < 1115744959 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Java2K, Thue and Whenever are the non-deterministic ones I remember right now < 1115744971 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1115744991 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, there's Sartre which I'm not sure about < 1115745139 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :regarding the discussion about making a 2D language where direction changes are expressed by just one symbol... ever played KBlackBox? < 1115745159 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1115745161 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that? < 1115745173 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a guessing game < 1115745177 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1115745199 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well.. what kind of? < 1115745201 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a 2D "black box" (grid) and you throw "rays" < 1115745213 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1115745218 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are four marbles within the board < 1115745265 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending on which position the ray reappears, it gives information on where the marbles are < 1115745279 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1115745290 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the aim is to guess where the marbles are using the least possible number of rays < 1115745325 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1115745333 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can see now < 1115745338 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a computer game < 1115745340 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or real world game? < 1115745354 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :computer < 1115745358 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'ok < 1115745366 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i thought so :)) < 1115745388 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a KDE game. am I right :) < 1115745403 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are :) < 1115745406 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1115745415 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guessed something like that as well < 1115745425 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :linux game makers are not too creative when it comes to naming games.... < 1115745433 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1115745471 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the relevant part is this: < 1115745486 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :..? < 1115745489 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1115745515 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you throw a ray from the left side of the box, it bounces in a straight angle when the marble is at the northeast of the cell < 1115745534 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hard to explain < 1115745587 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it would be a way to make a program pointer bounce in any arbitrary direction, if the positions to its relative left or right can be examined < 1115745593 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like this: < 1115745599 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : + < 1115745613 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :********* < 1115745618 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : * < 1115745620 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : * < 1115745630 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :got it? < 1115745634 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1115745638 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait a sec :) < 1115745655 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1115745664 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, well < 1115745667 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115745670 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the *'s are program flow < 1115745673 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1115745675 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the + is the direction changer < 1115745683 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1115745695 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the straight angle turn is due to the presence of the direction changer < 1115745705 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1115745721 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i see < 1115745738 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's how a ray bounces in KBlackBox too) < 1115745745 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1115745789 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in KBlackBox, this one makes the ray to return the way it came: < 1115745797 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : + < 1115745805 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :********* < 1115745810 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : + < 1115745825 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well as this one: < 1115745828 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*********+ < 1115745855 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that idea could be used with a 2D esoteric language < 1115745859 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1115745864 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty cool! < 1115745898 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about executing instructions? < 1115745911 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should some another character be used to that? < 1115745921 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's beyond the scpoe of this document ;) < 1115745925 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1115745926 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scope < 1115745929 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have an idea < 1115745936 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait.. < 1115745942 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1115745951 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the changing of the instruction could happen < 1115745957 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with different turnings < 1115745961 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever < 1115745968 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending how the program pointer goes < 1115745973 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and instruction would be executed < 1115745985 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when the pointer goes back where it came < 1115745990 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like in this *************+ < 1115746016 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this kind of language would take extremely much space but at least beat GregorR's 2L ;) < 1115746052 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hum, a problem with going back in the same way is that the whole way would be undone < 1115746068 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arg < 1115746071 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1115746076 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless... < 1115746094 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, that idea looks sooo ugly :) < 1115746100 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115746110 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... the pointer "pushes" the + sign at the time of bouncing < 1115746124 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1115746134 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you actually have a self-modifiable program, la Malbolge < 1115746145 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1115746197 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION eeks away of his own idea < 1115746397 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some day I will take a look at the Alpaca system < 1115746402 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that? < 1115746410 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a CA engine < 1115746418 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1115746422 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CA = Cellular Automaton < 1115746424 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1115746437 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't heard of any Alpace engine < 1115746441 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it some esolang? < 1115746451 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in cpressey's site < 1115746458 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1115746490 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://catseye.webhop.net/ < 1115746577 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't get there for some reason < 1115746631 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a redirector to http://catseye.mine.nu:8080/ < 1115746697 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't get there either :) < 1115746711 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1115746723 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyways; < 1115746730 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :take a look at this: < 1115746731 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://koti.mbnet.fi/yiap/preview.png < 1115746745 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm trying to make a really simple design for my brainfuck site < 1115746750 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are the colours ok? < 1115746820 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not counting the PREVIEW sign they are :) < 1115746900 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok :) < 1115746903 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's ok? < 1115746948 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so < 1115747031 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1115747033 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115747124 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the simplicity of your design can't beat the simplicity of my lack of design ;) < 1115747130 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1115747164 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not very aesthetically-oriented, I just care about contents (in case you haven't noted) < 1115747182 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, time to go home < 1115747185 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbiab < 1115747233 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1115747249 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i care most about the content as well < 1115747375 0 :GregorR-L!~GregorR-L@host-201-8.pubnet.pdx.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1115747383 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keymaker: You're living in a dream world ;) < 1115747418 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(/me was just remembering about the 1-command language) < 1115747469 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO < 1115747471 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1115747522 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1115747546 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, does probabalistic count as nondeterministic? < 1115747557 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Silly question, really. < 1115747559 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume so :) < 1115747560 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it is :-P < 1115747575 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is seriously considering making a programming language based on NetHack :-P < 1115747599 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so.. "Tell Me More!!1" < 1115747681 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1115747683 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically... < 1115747687 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your program pointer is the @... < 1115747693 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1115747694 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You build a little array of rooms... < 1115747697 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the @ wanders... < 1115747701 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every monster is an op... < 1115747713 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the doors could be one-way, or only-if-condition, etc, to make loops. < 1115747724 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds pretty neat < 1115747740 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately, I haven't quite figured out some of the stranger attributes :-P < 1115747746 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1115747781 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mainly, do I want the data pointer to just be in a stack or tape... < 1115747789 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or do I want the data pointer to be your pet >:) < 1115747802 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115747807 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pet of course < 1115747848 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH < 1115747854 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NetHackLang = NHL < 1115747859 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bad short form :-P < 1115747867 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that means nothing to a non-north-american. < 1115747870 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1115747877 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i know what it is < 1115747881 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but don't care at all < 1115747898 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1115747899 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ice hockey's boring :) < 1115747909 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly why I don't want that shortform ;) < 1115747915 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1115747994 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll call it ... The Rogue Language < 1115748005 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Read with the proper emphasis, that's pretty cool :-P < 1115748013 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115748521 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AHAHAHA < 1115748525 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1115748533 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're studying turing machines in the class I ought to be paying attention to right now :-P < 1115748540 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I can't keep my mind off of brainfuck < 1115748566 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2) A TM can be described by: 1) A graph. 2) A brainfuck program < 1115748567 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1115748597 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1115748604 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did they say that? < 1115748608 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No ;) < 1115748611 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :d'oh < 1115748627 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very cool < 1115748629 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1115748633 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting stuff you have there < 1115748643 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it just a normal university? < 1115748650 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1115748668 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope i can find a good place to get learnin' that stuff the next year < 1115748675 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heheh < 1115748683 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or well actually after ~1.5 years < 1115748685 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115750725 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1115750733 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :must go. see you tomorrow :) < 1115750737 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Freedom!" < 1115754010 0 :puzzlet!~puzzlet@61.247.148.38 JOIN :#esoteric < 1115754447 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1115755333 0 :puzlet!~puzzlet@61.247.148.38 JOIN :#esoteric < 1115755900 0 :Keymaker!~Not@wire74.adsl.netsonic.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1115755904 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1115755910 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :managed to get back for a while < 1115756371 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :re < 1115756377 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1115756384 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is right now working in his own esoteric language < 1115756421 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1115756424 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds good < 1115756435 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any break-through yet? < 1115756441 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soon :) < 1115756448 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll be Bitxtreme < 1115756476 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat neame! < 1115756481 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmh.. extreme.. < 1115756484 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll be *called* Bitxtreme < 1115756492 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'ok < 1115756496 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actually a company's name but who cares < 1115756500 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1115758444 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well.. good nite < 1115758455 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Freedom!" < 1115759094 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :done! < 1115759098 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more or less < 1115759102 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a few bits missing < 1115759161 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.formauri.es/personal/pgimeno/prog/esoteric/Bitxtreme.php < 1115760704 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops, gtg, see you tomorrow < 1115761147 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to already have the 0 and 1 bits, what more do you need? < 1115761306 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I'm also working in some subtle I/O details... you know, I don't want this spec to be imprecise or incomplete like that of HQ9+ which lacks a specification of the initial accumulator's value < 1115761374 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's worth being mentioned as well < 1115761855 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :updated; now I'm really off, bye < 1115767467 0 :puzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1115770085 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find it hard to believe that Bitxtreme is turing complete ;) < 1115770119 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find it hard to even understand how it is supposed to work.... :) < 1115770354 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, how did the ORK Kipple interpreter go? any progress? < 1115770462 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still working on it. < 1115770466 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It reads it in, but has issues parsing. < 1115770473 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, it is doable? < 1115770478 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Certainly. < 1115770483 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ORK is powerful. < 1115770490 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Powerful and unbelievably, mind-blowingly stupid. < 1115770550 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides ... hypothetically, any turing complete language COULD interpret kipple (with much pain), and ORK is turing complete... < 1115770582 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I didn't ask if it was *possible*. only if it was doable < 1115770610 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, not extremely hard... :) < 1115770670 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, do you intperpret the source directly, or tokenize? < 1115770687 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tokenize. < 1115770708 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm getting chunks with meanings, then walking through and interpreting the ones that are command chunks. < 1115771660 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Based on bitxtreme, I present unitxtreme: < 1115771667 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works just the same but the bits are unary. < 1115771682 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can only have one command, and it can only have one value. < 1115771689 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is only one register and only one memory location. < 1115771710 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The command is 0, and it sets the value of the current memory location to 0. < 1115771773 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115772181 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ork compiler doesn't handle Windows EOLs < 1115772195 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not much of a problem, but I thought you should know < 1115772221 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I expected to care if it works on Windows? < 1115772225 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1115772239 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I said, no big deal < 1115772249 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I thought cin was set to some sort of translation mode normally >_> < 1115772259 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mayhaps I'll fix that sometime. < 1115774111 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is ORK case sensitive? < 1115774224 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wouldn't be unnecessarily grammatically correct if it wasn't 8-D < 1115774260 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Read: Yes it is. < 1115774329 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right now the compiler lets you get away with some things that it ought not, but it does insist upon proper capitalization. < 1115775501 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I pass an object as an arg to a function, how do I reference the objects variables? < 1115776255 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never put that in the spec, did I? < 1115776258 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wowsa. < 1115776280 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it was a foo that had a bar which was a number: < 1115776294 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a is the foo's bar. < 1115776300 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, does that work? < 1115776313 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I think that might be screwed up ... < 1115776365 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yukksi. < 1115776373 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't seem to work < 1115776386 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I'm going to fix that and post a new version some time tonight 8-D < 1115776390 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's how it should work. < 1115776394 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1115776439 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta go to bed anyways. < 1115776447 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good night < 1115776449 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1115776450 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye < 1115778421 0 :puzzlet!~puzzlet@61.247.148.38 JOIN :#esoteric < 1115779467 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1115786993 0 :Keymaker!~Not@wire74.adsl.netsonic.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1115787066 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: cool language! < 1115787087 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should probably change '(FIXME: work on the description)' to something, though < 1115787096 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't yet see very well how it works < 1115787100 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i wanna get coding!!!!!!!!!! < 1115787109 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 bit memory size is really cool < 1115787121 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've planned making a brainfuck variation with that < 1115787128 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it's done couple of times already < 1115787139 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i want to make programs for that kind of memory cell range < 1115787163 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you could make some simple sample program there, for example how to print 'Hi' ? < 1115787409 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how to do loops? i need more info! < 1115787709 0 :calamari!~calamari@dialup-4.240.243.252.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1115787869 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: Am I confused, or is there a maximum of two instructions, and hence it's impossible to do anything useful. < 1115787875 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This being because the program pointer is a bit) < 1115788441 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably there is array of those bits < 1115788443 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1115788456 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least i can see no other way this being turing-complete < 1115788523 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get the feeling that it's more of ajoke than pgimeno has let on ;) < 1115788532 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no! (/me just read your bit about beating 2L ;) ) < 1115788536 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! < 1115788542 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1115788543 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115788545 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a joke < 1115788576 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you read on we found one solution how to use just one instruction < 1115788586 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno got if from some game :) < 1115788611 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with that would be possible/necessary to make self modificating programs < 1115788623 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I didn't see that... < 1115788630 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait a bit < 1115788670 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh dear! < 1115788674 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION just saw what you're saying. < 1115788692 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :start here < 1115788693 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:13:21 regarding the discussion about making a 2D language where direction changes are expressed by just one symbol... ever played KBlackBox? < 1115788693 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A 90-degree turn would do one thing, a 180-degree turn another, a 270-degree turn yet another. < 1115788765 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the turns would be pushed back when the program pointer hit them, a la Sokoban. < 1115788777 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115788802 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1115788802 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it really interesting what kind of languages are possible < 1115788812 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need a moment to process whether that would work or not... < 1115788822 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, here's a problem: how do you do program logic? < 1115788829 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what logic? :p < 1115788832 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If-then < 1115788836 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1115788839 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1115788855 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blame pgimeno, not my idea! *flees away* < 1115788859 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1115788861 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115788861 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm < 1115788863 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1115788866 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure < 1115788866 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now this is stuck in my head. < 1115788873 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bwahahaha < 1115788910 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then we succeeded to trap someone's mind to do the actual work and let us bask in the actual glory. :) < 1115788948 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When it's released as "Gregor Richards presents: 1L! (Some concepts may have been partially attributed to some abstract work by Keymaker and pgimeno)" You'll think differently ;) < 1115788962 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115788974 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1115788978 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BING! Got it < 1115788985 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wha how? < 1115788990 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:) < 1115789012 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would tell you.... < 1115789014 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No ... < 1115789015 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No I wouldn't. < 1115789019 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell < 1115789022 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or.. < 1115789022 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1115789025 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell :p < 1115789032 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still not positive if it would work, BUT < 1115789036 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0k < 1115789050 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1) Straight-on = if. If the cell is non-zero, do NOT turn, but go through < 1115789067 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1115789069 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2) Right turn = op. Same ops as in 2L, same overloading < 1115789070 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds reasonable < 1115789078 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3) Left turn = opless turn < 1115789087 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you stack two +s, they can't be pushed < 1115789090 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A la Sokoban < 1115789116 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there language called Sokoban as well? < 1115789124 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1115789127 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1115789128 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's a good game 8-D < 1115789131 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115789163 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm, I see an issue... < 1115789195 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be quite difficult to handle the if-not case, because you would be back where you came from ... pushing blocks would help, but loops would still be difficult... < 1115789213 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really difficult < 1115789227 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think this language is too bizarre for me < 1115789232 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HEY! DING AGAIN! Gregor's on a roll! < 1115789242 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least i wouldn't have the nervers :) < 1115789247 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1115789249 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: see the wierd language < 1115789251 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Straight-on divides the program pointer - it will continue going in the same direction, but will be offset. < 1115789259 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: I don't count that ;) < 1115789263 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not? < 1115789265 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: Since an angle is an op. < 1115789270 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: So it actually has several. < 1115789303 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an interesting and esoteric language, yes ... < 1115789307 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But still has more ops than the winz0r < 1115789314 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're counting turns, then that's an angle too :) < 1115789339 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn, you're totally right. < 1115789346 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ placed differently would be a different op. < 1115789361 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but... who cares? have fun with it :) < 1115789364 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm OK overloading by direction (obviously) ... < 1115789377 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not my original idea :-P < 1115789385 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I could drop it at any time! < 1115789389 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115789412 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :better to do that, it's too evil < 1115789433 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pff, I can implement this from the 2L code base in a matter of minutes. Might as well. < 1115789444 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! < 1115789457 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about frequency analysis of the "wave" to determine opcodes? hehe < 1115789465 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1115789487 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the programs should look like? < 1115789490 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking that it would be nice to have a BF-ish language, but, the operations would do insanely complex algorithms, making it incredibly difficult to do simple addition, etc ;) < 1115789512 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1115789515 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :keymaker: probably big sine waves :) < 1115789521 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1115789531 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what they would look like in the source code? < 1115789531 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe square waves < 1115789553 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.. let the programmer choose < 1115789562 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whitespace vs whatever they like < 1115789910 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooooooooo aaargh < 1115789917 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :must go to school < 1115789923 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grrrr < 1115789959 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, see you much later.. 8+ hours < 1115789965 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION dies < 1115789967 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Freedom!" < 1115790265 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMFG, this language is stupid < 1115790844 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go write some Malbolge and you'll feel better < 1115791065 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1115791076 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1L is seriously more stupid than Malbolge :-P < 1115791079 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that question about what character to use must have been kicking around in my subconscious < 1115791126 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the interpreter/compiler could figure out the language as it went along < 1115791137 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :based on context (if there is enough context) < 1115791149 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda like code breaking < 1115791152 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some languages are quite difficult to tell apart. < 1115791164 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is unsure what you're talking about btw ;) < 1115791169 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.. sorry :) < 1115791184 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example if we're going with C, for example < 1115791220 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ddsdx <--- break, while, ? < 1115791234 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, neither.. since it doesn't fit either pattern < 1115791256 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fdhas would work :) < 1115791299 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually meant that I don't know what you're referring to about that question about what character to use ... I'll go read the log ;) < 1115791300 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ASM would be better for this, since a lot of old ASM's used 3 character mnemonics < 1115791307 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(/me doesn't even remember yesterday) < 1115791331 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: oh.. we were talking for a minute about figuring out the opcode based on frequency analysis < 1115791348 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and someone asked what character would be used for the drawing < 1115791353 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OHHHHHHHH, right right right < 1115791448 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1115791449 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one language I've always wanted to write is one in which it isn't possible to have a syntax error or runtime error because of the way the code was written (for example mismatched brackets in BF) < 1115791463 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1115791482 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore any file would represent a valid program < 1115791494 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't have syntax errors in many 2D languages, since no characters need to match. < 1115791577 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, maybe its impossible as well, becauseif I made it so that the program couldn't crash it woulkdn't be turing complete, right? < 1115791621 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmmmmmmmmmm < 1115791625 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see why not........? < 1115791673 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turing complete just means it can solve any mathematical problem. So long as there's some means of quitting at the end, it doesn't need to "crash" per se. < 1115791688 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could just have a quit operator. < 1115791786 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perfect example: AFAIK, 2L is turing complete (it has every BF operator), however, it has not syntax errors and cannot crash, only exit gracefully. < 1115791817 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if you do this: []] ? < 1115791842 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not how loops work in 2L - it's two dimensional, so a loop is just a series of ifs that have been drawn in a circle. < 1115791857 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1115791859 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should have said "It has a means to do every BF operator," since it only has two operators. < 1115792038 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I've gtg for a bit. < 1115792041 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll be back in a while. < 1115792459 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1115798399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1115798400 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1115805399 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1115805422 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : one language I've always wanted to write is one in which it isn't possible to have a syntax error or runtime error because of the way the code was written (for example mismatched brackets in BF) < 1115805430 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's one: Jot < 1115805479 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ling.ucsd.edu/~barker/Iota/ < 1115805497 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses the Functional paradigm < 1115812376 0 :kipple!~kipple@163.80-202-100.nextgentel.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1115826202 0 :Keymaker!~Not@wire74.adsl.netsonic.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1115826714 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1115826727 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1115826765 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hoi all < 1115826782 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiya < 1115827383 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was a truly exciting conversation ;) < 1115827419 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115827430 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry.. i tried to open some topic < 1115827438 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but didn't invent any < 1115827444 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heheh < 1115827451 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, is there any other word for 'invent'? i'm tired using that one < 1115827459 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Create .... < 1115827464 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Think up < 1115827470 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah that's good < 1115827494 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lesse what thesaurus.com says 8-D < 1115827501 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1115827527 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or the quaint "make" of course. < 1115827547 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Main Entry: invent < 1115827547 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Part of Speech: verb 1 < 1115827547 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Definition: create < 1115827547 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Synonyms: ad-lib, author, bear, coin, come upon, compose, conceive, contrive, cook up, design, devise, discover, dream up, envision, execute, fake, fashion, find, forge, form, formulate, frame, hatch, imagine, improve, improvise, inaugurate, initiate, jam, knock off, make, make up, mint, originate, plan, produce, project, shuck, think up, toss off, turn out, wing it < 1115827565 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :About 60% of those are terribly synonyms :-P < 1115827661 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there are some worth of using < 1115827663 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1115827669 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh :) < 1115827687 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i just hope i can remember those when i knock off something next time < 1115827716 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure that one works out of a few contexts ... < 1115827730 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it also means kill in a few contexts *shrugs* < 1115827738 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1115827800 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: 'excogitate' seems to be missing from the list :) < 1115827801 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Synonyms: author, compose, conceive, contrive, cook up, design, devise, dream up, envision, fashion, forge, form, formulate, initiate, make, make up, originate, plan, produce, think up, turn out < 1115827814 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lindi-: That was just what www.thesaurus.com said :-P < 1115827823 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a list of basically non-contextual synonyms. < 1115827842 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: use libre dictionary at http://wordnet.princeton.edu/ < 1115827881 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wow, that's infinitely better. < 1115827915 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: yes, and you can include it on your own page or sell the results if you want < 1115827942 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wowsa. < 1115827951 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keymaker: $25 for this synonym list. < 1115827974 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just kidding of course, though I don't yet know how to fenagle this page right. < 1115828011 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GTG to school, see you all later. < 1115828071 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1115828075 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have fun >:) < 1115828219 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they seem to have changed page layout a bit do you like http://wordnet.princeton.edu/contact more than http://wordnet.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/faqview.cgi ? < 1115828449 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Freedom!" < 1115833376 0 :Keymaker!~Not@wire74.adsl.netsonic.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1115834258 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno!!!! tell more about bitxtreme < 1115834435 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Keymaker < 1115834483 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've changed the spec < 1115834561 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not still uploaded though < 1115834635 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1115834637 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds good < 1115834640 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and hi!) < 1115834724 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah.. this day has been nice < 1115834730 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i finally got my first gas mask < 1115834734 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that i bought from internet :) < 1115834747 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow! < 1115834758 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1115834762 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good in case you suffer an anthrax attack < 1115834768 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1115834778 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should wear it everywhere < 1115834780 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1115834798 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actually because of one club that is gasmask-only < 1115834803 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(joke..) < 1115834826 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously, i have no need for it < 1115834833 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1115834840 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i like their (gasmaks) look < 1115834847 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cna yype today.. < 1115834850 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*i can type today < 1115834860 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i decided to start collecting those < 1115834913 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I just have a dust mask < 1115834937 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1115835067 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks at this: < 1115835068 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://194.251.244.158/auctionimages/0/d6/517d898f68d5f8435c9a3d8122343-orig.jpg < 1115835073 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one would be cool < 1115835098 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note that i'm not into any military stuff, just gas masks) < 1115835111 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that i don't even concern military) < 1115835141 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice mask! < 1115835143 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1115835152 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ~70 years old iirc < 1115835155 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks very alien < 1115835210 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I guess there's a 50% chance that someone wearing it would have been confused by an alien by the time it was made < 1115835239 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115835305 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmh. my fingers smell that gas mask rubber.. better go wash them :) < 1115835317 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1115835351 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so.. < 1115835367 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is bitxtreme really turing complete or is it just some joke language? < 1115835381 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can judge better after the update < 1115835385 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1115835394 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really hope it's real! :) < 1115835540 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there it is (still not finished) < 1115835623 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool.. i'll go to check < 1115835676 0 :KnX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi! < 1115835698 0 :KnX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno : is it possible to get it too ? < 1115835725 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :get what? < 1115835725 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.formauri.es/personal/pgimeno/prog/esoteric/Bitxtreme.php < 1115835729 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, the page < 1115835732 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1115835734 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115835858 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"To avoid confusion with other kinds of files the standard source file extension is TXT (for Bitxtreme), which is rarely used." < 1115835861 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1115835883 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's actually just an advance of my next (huge!) site update... I needed to make room for my Malbolge findings and for GregorR's files and a reorganization was needed before it was too late. Reorganizing means also adding new content, and so it goes and goes... < 1115835890 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops, brb < 1115835932 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds good < 1115836353 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the programs are probably written with characters '0' and '1'? < 1115836367 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do i have to use hex editor? < 1115836400 0 :KnX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hexedit i think < 1115836412 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rgh < 1115836421 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :writing the source is gettin' annoying on that case < 1115836427 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just write a tool to translate < 1115836431 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yaeh < 1115836435 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just typing that :9 < 1115836447 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :write it in BF or something:) < 1115836455 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just typing that as well :) < 1115836461 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1115836467 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :great minds think alike.... < 1115836473 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1115836473 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1115836478 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems so :) < 1115836523 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" then PC is increased by two, modulo 2" < 1115836536 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this does not make much sense to me. is it a joke? < 1115836556 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a typo < 1115836627 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1115836632 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought about that too < 1115836640 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's somekind of joke < 1115836662 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grrrg.. back in minute.... < 1115836668 0 :KnX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 modulo 2 = 0 :) < 1115836677 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1115836684 0 :KnX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's a joke < 1115836689 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then again the whole lang seems to be a joke :) < 1115836726 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115836728 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as the PC is only one bit, there are only four possible programs (which are the four samples listed) < 1115836732 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i haven't left yet for a minute) < 1115836742 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1115836753 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but probably with those everything can be done < 1115836760 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the input and output was some bizarre < 1115836929 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" there is one single instruction: subtract and branch if negative" < 1115836939 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, the registers can never be negative :D < 1115836963 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::9 < 1115836968 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but notice that is talking about OISC < 1115836981 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1115836986 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's talking about this as well < 1115836987 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115837192 0 :KnX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" If the result is negative (the bits are in two's complement representation)" < 1115837214 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00? < 1115837222 0 :KnX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't understand it very well , i'm not native english speaker < 1115837235 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't understand it either, i just guessed :) < 1115837279 0 :KnX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it mean that is A = 0 and P = 1 , then the result is "temporarily" negative ? < 1115837279 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i recognize the word 'complement' i guess it would change something like '01001' to '10110' < 1115837301 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't ask me :) < 1115837328 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not meant to make sense. < 1115837664 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, must go < 1115837673 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have fun! < 1115837675 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Freedom!" < 1115841254 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, yes < 1115841283 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is indeed a joke... I thought it was obvious enough after the last changes < 1115841352 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doh, I have to leave again, later < 1115846094 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :re < 1115848178 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, a two's complement 1-bit number can only represent 0 and -1 < 1115851980 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good joke. I didn't notice it at a first glance. Only when I sat down and tried to understand it did I get it... :) < 1115852052 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks! I'm adding the last bits; the interpreter is online but I'm fixing the links which are broken. < 1115852194 0 :GregorR-L!~GregorR-L@host-201-8.pubnet.pdx.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1115852198 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" It has the memory limited to 2 bits for space reasons" < 1115852201 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAHA < 1115852208 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bitxtreme? < 1115852208 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reminds me of mod_bf :) < 1115852212 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1115852214 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost done < 1115852216 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heheh < 1115852221 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'tis x-cellent < 1115852268 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you seen the apache module mod_bf? < 1115852270 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1115852276 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I haven't < 1115852287 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a BF mod for Apache < 1115852289 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scary, scary piece of software. < 1115852304 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the good sort of way *shrugs* < 1115852315 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has an array size of 100 because more is a "waste of memory" :D < 1115852316 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool! is it serious? < 1115852321 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hehe < 1115852352 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought of it when I read the BitXtreme spec < 1115852366 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://modbf.sourceforge.net/ < 1115852381 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :has been dead for more than four years... < 1115852421 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, cool < 1115852449 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm afraid the 1.0 project was abandoned < 1115852482 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once thought of doing a web-scripting lang with bf < 1115852494 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like PHP with inline HTML, but only BF as code :D < 1115852601 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! I hate either ORK or Kipple (haven't decided which yet :-P ) < 1115852632 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1115852639 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the problem? < 1115852658 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just having a lot of problems writing this in ORK :-P < 1115852667 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The code keeps multiplying and multiplying >_> < 1115852669 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no kidding :) < 1115852677 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's now >500 lines < 1115852749 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn, my server doesn't allow download of .py files < 1115852770 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just rename it .py.txt or something < 1115852774 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not? Tries to execute it? < 1115852795 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even that I guess, GregorR-L... it returns an Internal Server Error < 1115852801 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks kipple < 1115852805 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird < 1115852818 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it probably has a python interpreter... < 1115853003 0 :KnX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1115853012 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh, not even as .py.txt < 1115853032 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats strange ! < 1115853078 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the file start with a line like #!/bin/python or something < 1115853090 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1115853098 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try renaming it to HTML < 1115853127 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as .txt it works but of course that would be confused with a Bitxtreme source file < 1115853141 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I could host the file for you if nothing else works < 1115853149 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is really bizarre < 1115853150 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to .gz it < 1115853182 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that will save bandwidth too ;) < 1115853184 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so bitxtreme.txt works but not bitxtreme.py.txt? < 1115853191 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's it < 1115853195 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange huh? < 1115853227 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, I love the fact that examples.zip is 562 bytes < 1115853253 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARGH! not even .py.gz < 1115853257 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes nuts < 1115853295 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks pgimeno was nuts in the first place (evidence: http://www.formauri.es/personal/pgimeno/prog/esoteric/Bitxtreme.php ) < 1115853301 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehehe < 1115853315 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all that's left to do is zipping it < 1115853644 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all ready at last! < 1115853886 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :great :) < 1115853967 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though the source files a 4 times the size they need to be. curse these whole bytes requirements :) < 1115853987 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah :) < 1115853996 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I propose a new archive format for bitxtreme programs to save precious bandwith: < 1115854006 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With n programs: < 1115854015 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bit 0: Header. This bit is always set to 1 to identify the file as a bitxtreme archive < 1115854023 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bit 1: Meta-info: place your meta information here. < 1115854031 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bit 2 - (2n+2): each program stored sequentially, each starting immediately after the previous < 1115854041 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last bits of the file is padded with zeroes to make a whole number of bytes. < 1115854061 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, nice < 1115854075 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, that format was chosen in order to make it possible to write a quine < 1115854205 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"then PC is increased by two, modulo 2" - I thought that made clear enough that either I'm kidding or I'm a complete nerd (or both) < 1115854246 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, thanks everybody for your feedback which has helped improving the spec < 1115854358 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cought it at that ;) < 1115854365 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PC: 0 PC: 0 PC: 0 < 1115854377 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was a typo at first < 1115854399 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :until I noticed that the PC is 1-bit < 1115854537 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so Gregor, any chance of an updated ORK soon? < 1115854553 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH, I forgot to upload that! < 1115854555 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One sec! < 1115854668 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, uploaded < 1115854698 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now object variables can be referenced as expected? < 1115854727 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1115854737 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The object's variable." < 1115854744 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm, I think I've missed some discussion about ORK < 1115854757 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was an issue with variable reference. < 1115854767 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You couldn't reference variables of objects passed as parameters. < 1115854776 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1115854804 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have an interpreter already, or just the compiler? < 1115854844 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just a compiler. < 1115854852 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I want to try at an interpreter :-P < 1115854901 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw GregorR-L: http://www.formauri.es/personal/pgimeno/prog/esoteric/ <- not still complete but now it's ready for expansion < 1115855009 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :El the w00t < 1115855029 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW, my last name is "Richards" so the ownership form is " Richards' " < 1115855041 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because English makes a whooooooooole lot of sense. < 1115855042 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops, sorry, fixing < 1115855159 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :done < 1115855348 0 :calamari!~calamari@dialup-4.240.247.115.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1115855364 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi calamari < 1115855370 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi pgimeno < 1115856096 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :greg: is there a not equal comparator in the mathematician? < 1115856117 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do I have to test for both greater and less? < 1115856181 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ack! It's Gregor ;) < 1115856191 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And no, because that would be needless 8-D < 1115856198 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh. ok < 1115856202 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to test for both >:) < 1115856220 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How's this design: http://www.befunge.org/fyb/GregorR.html < 1115856221 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, there is a bug in the loop example in the spex < 1115856228 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :spec < 1115856232 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grr >_O < 1115856245 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If Fibonacci says it's greater then I am to loop. < 1115856251 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be (I think) : < 1115856255 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If Fibonacci says it's greater then I am to loop the number. < 1115856269 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. The parameter sticks. < 1115856280 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Loop loops that very same function with the same parameters etc. < 1115856293 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure? didn't work for me < 1115856323 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm ....... just a sec, I've got to go for a few minutes, then I'll be back and we'll discuss. < 1115856348 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice page :) < 1115856360 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1115856387 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there is some css propery you can use to make the background code be unselectable.... < 1115857173 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrugs* < 1115857197 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So does the pointer to the image show right for both of you? < 1115857212 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1115857218 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1115857221 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awesome. < 1115857235 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are either of you NOT using Netscape, Mozilla or Firefox? < 1115857250 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Opera here < 1115857255 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awesome. < 1115857264 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm with mozilla though < 1115857266 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, so anyway, could you give me the code you were having looping issues with? < 1115857276 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a konqueror handy < 1115857282 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works fine. I just had to give it the parameter < 1115857326 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm < 1115857338 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see how that could work, given what the compiler does .... < 1115857345 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could you send me the code anyway? :-P < 1115857367 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rune.krokodille.com/lang/beer.ork < 1115857380 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :w00t 2 99-bottles-o-beer < 1115857393 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2? < 1115857417 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :has someone else made it as well? < 1115857448 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: FYI, in Konqueror it does not work well < 1115857451 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope < 1115857453 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blech. < 1115857467 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If Bob the Big Brain says it's greater then I am to sing the song. < this ought to be able to say "I am to loop" < 1115857475 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1115857496 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That way, it will loop rather than recurse. < 1115857498 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a bit unclear in the spec < 1115857507 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I'll see what I can do. < 1115857513 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: I have Konq here, so I'll look into it. < 1115857524 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1115857524 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like loop is a function < 1115857577 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, that works fine < 1115857656 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Congrats kipple, you are the first person to write a fully-functional program in ORK other than myself 8-D < 1115857665 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115857735 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g'nite all < 1115857854 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nite < 1115858093 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you do string concatenation? < 1115858109 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The linguist class. < 1115858113 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't I doc linguist? < 1115858136 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1115858167 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any examples using it? < 1115858193 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :found it < 1115858216 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D'OH ... I forgot to upload my newer spec too X-D < 1115858236 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No wait. < 1115858238 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No I didn't. < 1115858239 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's there < 1115858294 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry. was looking at a local copy :P < 1115858317 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahhhhhhh < 1115858537 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the difference between There is [a variable called x] and I have [a variable called x] ? < 1115859214 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have updated beer.ork so it doesn't say "1 bottles" anymore. < 1115859245 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1115859642 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :None, except that one may sound more PC. < 1115859650 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IE: You don't usually "have" a mathematician, since that is a person. < 1115859704 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok :) < 1115859823 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, it was a bit painful to write in ORK :) so many words for so little ... < 1115860179 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup 8-D < 1115860204 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :writing a kipple interpreter must be cruel.... < 1115860209 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yes. < 1115860211 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed it is. < 1115860217 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BF was pretty damn hard. < 1115860220 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Kipple is harder. < 1115860256 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Next: A C compiler! < 1115860259 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :J/K of course :-P < 1115860412 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how do you manage to do stacks? < 1115860451 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I introduced number arrays in the spec ... < 1115860460 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But their design happens to be particularly condusive to stacks. < 1115860482 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW, writing a complete spec is for the weak. < 1115860506 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :source code is always a good spec :) < 1115860514 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8-D < 1115860521 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My BF interpreter uses number arrays. < 1115860641 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. is it possible to do something like this: < 1115860647 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is such a thing as a stack item. < 1115860648 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A stack item has an item below which is a stack item. < 1115860648 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A stack item has an item on top which is a stack item. < 1115860704 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not by the current standard, no. < 1115860714 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would get you caught in an instanciation loop (if you will) < 1115860729 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. < 1115860795 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah, foiled by konqueror again >_O < 1115860810 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the web page? < 1115860845 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. it looks worse in Opera now... < 1115860866 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO :'( < 1115860868 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What goes wrong < 1115860869 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1115860896 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the problem (are we thinking of the same?) ? < 1115860931 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine is just inter-page links not working. < 1115860968 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see any links < 1115860987 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're not on the uploaded version yet ;) < 1115861007 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "This is Gregor" text is now aligned with the bottom of the image, and a bit hard to read with the ******* below it < 1115861026 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a big deal though < 1115861114 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's actually on top of the code? < 1115861128 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did reallign it, I was hoping it wouldn't move around much :-P < 1115861285 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.befunge.org/fyb/GregorR.html < is the image stil malligned, and also, do the links work for you? < 1115861293 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just those top few links, to "2L" and "FYB" < 1115861318 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is the image supposed to be aligned? < 1115861338 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should look sort of like it's sitting above the row of *********s < 1115861347 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the label should be at the same level < 1115861356 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the links works < 1115861371 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :w00t < 1115861380 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KDE and MacOSX users don't need links *shrugs* < 1115861439 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :above as in on the line above or as overlapping? < 1115861448 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is overlapping < 1115861452 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's bad. < 1115861459 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmmmmmmmm < 1115861491 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rest of the text fits nice in firefox, but not i opera < 1115861498 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1115861501 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lemme test something... < 1115861521 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Refresh it. < 1115861523 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any change? < 1115861534 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1115861540 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah < 1115861554 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry. that should be yes < 1115861564 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now the text is screwed up in firefox as well < 1115861586 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_O < 1115861595 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IE is ever worse, but who cares ;) < 1115861600 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works in my firefox >_> < 1115861612 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "< This is Gregor" as well? < 1115861618 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup < 1115861638 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm running 1.02 < 1115861678 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I'm running 1.0 < 1115861750 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :screenshot: http://rune.krokodille.com/gregor.jpg < 1115861787 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, that's DOWN a line. < 1115861792 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was afraid it would be UP a line. < 1115861794 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1115861797 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's even more strange XD < 1115861807 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you fixed it while I took the shot < 1115861834 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, wait, the current version looks right in FF? < 1115861847 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not any more :) one line too low < 1115861856 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_O < 1115861864 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yikes. < 1115861865 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There hasn't been a change since 5 minutes ago! < 1115861879 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it changes when I reload < 1115861906 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it switches between two versions rather randomly < 1115861922 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bug in firefox < 1115861981 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1115861986 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.0.3 seems to work fine. < 1115861990 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say 1.0.2 was screwy. < 1115862004 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you tried reloading many times in a row? < 1115862017 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup, no change. < 1115862026 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1115862034 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you running linux? < 1115862038 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup :) < 1115862064 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is downloading Opera now. < 1115862103 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is downloading FF 1.03 < 1115862129 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heheh < 1115862218 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same problem :( < 1115862223 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :must be a windows thing < 1115862225 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn Windoze. < 1115862243 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect it is a rounding error... < 1115862246 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This calls for extra sneaksitude. < 1115862278 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a non-deterministic web design. that's esoteric :) < 1115862291 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1115862301 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that's platform compatability at its best ;) < 1115862306 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Refresh, see if it changes. < 1115862353 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no change < 1115862364 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bleeh < 1115862385 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey! it works in Opera now!! < 1115862395 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1115862407 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even the image and its label? < 1115862410 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1115862415 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the text? < 1115862418 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1115862420 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I figured. < 1115862428 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I separated them to hopefully make only one fail :-P < 1115862498 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if you add an empty line below the image text. with only a   for instance < 1115862505 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heyyyyyyyyyyy < 1115862522 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just a sec, I just thought of a possibility. < 1115862563 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well .. < 1115862568 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just made it fail the same in my FFox :-P < 1115862688 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last try before I've gtg, refresh once more. < 1115862726 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fine in FF, not in Opera :( < 1115862742 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :text is one line too high up in opera < 1115862792 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, then I think I at least know what the browser consistancy issue is. < 1115862795 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll work on it on the way home. < 1115862799 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See you later :) < 1115862851 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1115862881 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1115864571 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If my latest iteration doesn't work, I will eat my hat. < 1115864579 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any of them, take your pick: http://www.codu.org/hats.php < 1115864590 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gotta get my laptop up and upload it first though ;) < 1115865176 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm betting kipple is asleep X-D < 1115865205 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much do you bet? < 1115865213 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-$15 < 1115865218 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now you owe me $15 < 1115865219 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1115865230 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.befunge.org/fyb/GregorR.html < 1115865234 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you're awake at 3:30AM? < 1115865255 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1115865262 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wowsa. < 1115865266 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the way to bed npw < 1115865272 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heheh < 1115865303 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn. your hat is safe ;) < 1115865325 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even works in IE! < 1115865388 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, good night! < 1115865442 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1115868143 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1115874562 0 :GregorR!~GregorR@c-24-21-138-66.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1115875083 0 :Keymaker!~Not@wire74.adsl.netsonic.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1115875088 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rgh.. < 1115875104 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i saw wonderful dream where i realized how Thue works. < 1115875114 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess does it work the way i saw..? < 1115875117 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rggghhhh < 1115875137 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way; < 1115875145 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting stuff seems to have happened < 1115875157 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool pages both gregor and pgimeno < 1115875165 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well, nice bunch of hats! < 1115875183 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well, cool to see kipple's 99bob < 1115875196 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, too bad bitxtreme was a joke < 1115875201 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still pretty cool joke < 1115877338 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1115877339 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks < 1115877414 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115877460 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can'te believe I finally got the derned thing working in all browsers :) < 1115877521 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks good < 1115877531 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, web design can be annoying < 1115877936 0 :GregorR-L!~GregorR-L@c-24-21-138-66.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1115878423 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grgrh < 1115878435 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid day. < 1115878571 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you hear me day? you're stupdi! < 1115878573 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :change!! < 1115878576 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1115878598 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :come on.. it wouldn't harm anyone to just skip one day :) < 1115878841 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi :-P < 1115878843 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But ... < 1115878848 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If today wasn't skipped ... < 1115878856 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There would be no 99-bottles-of-beer in ORK! < 1115878900 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1115878903 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is still trying to decide whether to publish 1L < 1115878904 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are right < 1115878908 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115878914 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather, if today WAS skipped. < 1115878935 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. but if it would be skipped NOW.. :) < 1115878941 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would avoid annoying shoocl day < 1115878945 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*schook < 1115878947 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*school < 1115878952 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1115878977 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahhhhhhhhhh :-P < 1115878987 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah yes, the miracle of time zones. < 1115878997 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1115879000 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1115879005 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are the most esoteric ones < 1115879013 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1115879016 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2d language < 1115879019 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is it that everybody on this channel is from Western Europe except me X-D < 1115879021 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where would be different timezones < 1115879036 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe we europeans are sramtsest < 1115879042 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :smartest :) < 1115879045 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1115879045 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1115879055 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If me not so dumb, me take offense! < 1115879063 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1115879075 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow the instructions would be executed at different times depending on their place < 1115879079 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that < 1115879082 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1115879085 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :involving annoying time zones < 1115879095 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And actually ofset by hours, so it could take as many as 24 hours to run a small program. < 1115879105 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol!!!! < 1115879142 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not to mention making the interpreter do some stuff on background, like tirelesly computing pi to slow the work of computer.. < 1115879150 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115879265 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1115879400 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least the breakfsat (that i usually skip) is good today: pizza from yesterday and some coca < 1115879406 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(cola= < 1115879417 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1115879422 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115879438 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm ... somewhere between here and befunge.org, my HTML is being weirded. < 1115879449 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1115879549 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyways; interesting job for you: write ORK interpreter in ORK :) < 1115879560 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be possible since it's turing complete ;) < 1115879580 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1115879589 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, more painful then I can possibly describe. < 1115879927 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1115879927 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should finisf my bf in bf interpreter < 1115879927 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grrh < 1115879927 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heheh < 1115879927 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm typing with one hand and continuously making stupid mistakes < 1115879927 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah yes < 1115879927 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(other hand is busy holding the pizza) < 1115880091 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.befunge.org/fyb/GregorR.html < pretty much complete now < 1115880138 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks good < 1115880161 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I make my head bounce around in the background? < 1115880177 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooooooooooooooooooh, I've got a better idea! < 1115880190 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1115880241 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 2l hello world example can't be found < 1115880248 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :404 < 1115880306 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops >_> < 1115880340 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fixed < 1115880392 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1115880470 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1115880494 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems that this day is, along with all the other annoying, cleaning day x{ < 1115880517 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should clean before going to school.. hmm. < 1115880740 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AHAHA < 1115880742 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.befunge.org/fyb/GregorR.html < 1115880819 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1115880825 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fyb instructions? < 1115880840 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Limited to FB ones. < 1115880847 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although < 1115880850 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'*' is not bf < 1115880855 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why i asked ;) < 1115880869 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I was thinking 2L at first, then later thought BF X-D < 1115880878 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115880930 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1115880931 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://puzzlet.org/tmp/braille.htm < 1115880940 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Conway's Game of Life in Braille patterns < 1115880953 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wowzer < 1115880999 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are those? < 1115881003 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :braille patterns < 1115881031 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dot characters for the blind people < 1115881053 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're usually on walls engraved into metal, so blind people can read them with their hands. < 1115881069 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, embossed in metal I believe would be the correct term. < 1115881085 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah i see < 1115881102 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad i can't get the script to work < 1115881111 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm currently in win and with FF < 1115881121 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using FF and it works fine for me. < 1115881124 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1115881128 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno whats wrong < 1115881135 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i have some strange settings or something < 1115881140 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't see anything < 1115881152 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you need to install some font? < 1115881163 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mayhaps it's a font that's (surprise!) not available on Windoze. < 1115881167 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://home.att.net/~jameskass/code2000_page.htm < 1115881233 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm i'n not big fan of downloading things < 1115881241 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1115881245 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll try in linux in opera today later < 1115881513 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know this lang gregor? : < 1115881513 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.veling.nl/anne/lang/hello/ < 1115881532 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should write new version of my bf hello world interpreter :) < 1115881603 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reminds me of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HQ9_Plus < 1115881615 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1115881620 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only a bit easier :) < 1115882939 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1115882944 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's pretty terrible :-P < 1115882956 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need to at least be able to increment the accumulator. < 1115883185 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaaaaargh < 1115883189 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i gotta go < 1115883207 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see you later if i make it through this day :) < 1115883212 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye ;) < 1115883215 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115883218 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Freedom!" < 1115884799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1115884800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1115884959 0 :lament!~lament@S010600110999ad06.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1115885005 0 :Xin_!~rollman@adsl-210-141-249.sdf.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1115886040 0 :rollman!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1115886553 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1115887577 0 :KnX!~KnX@juv34-2-82-226-155-84.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1115887601 0 :calamari!~calamari@dialup-4.240.242.134.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1115889410 0 :KnX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Faut que je trouve un quit message ..." < 1115889489 0 :KnX!~KnX@juv34-2-82-226-155-84.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1115893688 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, "It was my professional opinion that the programming world needed an esoteric object oriented programming language (other than Java of course)" < 1115893925 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115894302 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ponders whether to write an ORK interpreter in either JavaScript, PHP or Python < 1115894318 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally i'd say python < 1115894324 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but go ahead and do it in javascript :) < 1115894845 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd better concentrate in my current projects rather than queuing another one < 1115894856 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :life is too short :( < 1115894897 0 :KnX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fork(life); < 1115894913 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :child processes tend to be too rebel < 1115894943 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a known bug that will be fixed in Universe 1.1 < 1115896566 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1115899286 0 :hashendgame!~hashendga@d220-236-106-66.dsl.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1115907320 0 :hashendgame!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1115907406 0 :kipple!~kipple@163.80-202-100.nextgentel.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1115911736 0 :Keymaker!~Not@wire74.adsl.netsonic.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1115911743 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm alive!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111 < 1115911839 0 :KnX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good thing < 1115911860 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1115911874 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why am i here? < 1115912097 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you're addicted? < 1115912103 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1115912115 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115912134 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :repeat after me: My name is Keymaker, and I am an esoholic < 1115912140 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115912153 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :must.. get.. daily.. esoteric.. programs.. < 1115912190 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as well, i partly meant the question as philosophical joke :)) < 1115912508 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mh, time to eat now.. < 1115912849 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eat sfunge < 1115913406 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is that? < 1115913571 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know -- i just made it up < 1115913575 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :out of "funge" < 1115913610 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115913610 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there seems to be some sfunge.com < 1115913614 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that youres? < 1115913617 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*yours < 1115913953 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1115913967 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1115914011 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just came out of my head when i saw esoholic thing on the irc client < 1115914022 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1115914033 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, hi, i'm from Korea < 1115914038 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1115914049 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1115914060 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems to be the most exotic location < 1115914066 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where this channel is accessed < 1115914149 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here, esoteric language fans are very rare < 1115914167 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe that :) < 1115914237 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i haven't met any others than people in internet, so maybe they aren't very popular anywhere < 1115914261 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or maybe there could be some i haven't met in internet, but doesn't interest me :p) < 1115914272 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've met at least two in real-life too. < 1115914281 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1115914293 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in what kind of circumstances? < 1115914388 0 :KnX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the 1st world esolang meeting < 1115914388 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Going to same school/university, mostly. < 1115914393 0 :KnX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :( they were three ) < 1115914424 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. nice < 1115914429 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :knx; sounds interesting :) < 1115914486 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good ol' EsoCon < 1115914551 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was an world esolang meeting? < 1115914554 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a* < 1115914570 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea :) < 1115914587 0 :KnX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no but could be fun < 1115914596 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1115914609 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suggest.. London :) < 1115914611 0 :KnX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but very hard to do when you have about 3 fan for a country < 1115914638 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but think about the world.. there are at least 20! < 1115914667 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20 who would come? < 1115914706 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :three :) < 1115914721 0 :KnX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd love a program when you enter a list of people + adress , and calculates ( using internet ) , the least cost place of meeting < 1115914794 0 :Keymakere!~Not@wire74.adsl.netsonic.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1115914811 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would you do when the program gives places like Bombay? < 1115914829 0 :Keymakere!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115914834 0 :Keymakere!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :travel < 1115914841 0 :Keymakere!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyways, pretty good idea for a program < 1115915535 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: When you finish an ORK interpreter, I will give you a round of applause. Just me, individually. I'm not sure if that counts as a round... But I will anyway. < 1115915617 0 :Keymakere!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll applause too < 1115915686 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, we'll get a round of 2. < 1115915688 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's good. < 1115915769 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20! is already 2432902008176640000. < 1115915795 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...........................................................? < 1115915811 0 :Keymakere!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably somewhere reads '20!' < 1115915819 0 :Keymakere!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too lazy to check logs < 1115915824 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's only been 20 minutes! < 1115915834 0 :Keymakere!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115915839 0 :Keymakere!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, the answer-delay < 1115915848 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You people with your ten-second attention spans, sheesh. (Eh... was sorta-away.) < 1115915864 0 :Keymakere!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1115915887 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1115915900 0 :Keymakere!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1115916005 0 :Kmkr!~Not@wire74.adsl.netsonic.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1115916023 0 :Kmkr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr this connection today.. < 1115916057 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1115916062 0 :Kmkr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115916071 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't you have "Keymaker" registered? < 1115916077 0 :Kmkr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how? < 1115916082 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nickserv < 1115916086 0 :Kmkr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno what that is < 1115916093 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : /msg nickserv help < 1115916105 0 :Kmkr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do i write that? < 1115916107 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not all network use these fancy services. :p < 1115916119 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8-D < 1115916120 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :True < 1115916131 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I personally come from ircnet, which doesn't run any. < 1115916174 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I was just suggesting this for Keymaker so [s]he could reclaim his/her name. < 1115916187 0 :Kmkr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1115916212 0 :Kmkr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i try that sometime < 1115916218 0 :Kmkr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably too hard for me < 1115916223 0 :Kmkr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't use it probably < 1115916235 0 :Kmkr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in case there is lots of stuff to adjust etc. < 1115916243 0 :Kmkr!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Keymaker < 1115916265 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll try it now < 1115916352 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm seems too hard < 1115916567 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rewritten hello world interpreter is now ready < 1115916586 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this time i used checking the 'h' from binary < 1115916637 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(mainly because i was too lazy to make it a few inner loops to check if the data is 104. i'll do that new version sometime later.) < 1115916709 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here: < 1115916711 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :,[[->>[>]+<[-<]<]>>[<+>-]>[<<+>>-]>[<<<+>>>-]>[<<<<<+>>>>>-]>[<<<<<+>>>>>-]>[<<<<<<<+>>>>>>>-]>[<<<<<<<<+>>>>>>>>-]>[<<<<<<<<+>>>>>>>>-]<<<<<<<<[<[-]>[-]]<[-[-[+++++++[>+++++++++<-]>.<++++[>+++++++<-]>+.+++++++..+++.<+++++++++[>---------<-]>++.<+++++[>+++++++++++<-]>.<+++[>++++++++<-]>.+++.------.--------.[-]<++++++++++.[-]]]],] < 1115916726 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless i didn't accidentally delete any character < 1115916745 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well, the "Hello World" (with new-line) is far from perfect < 1115916773 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i find making program to output strings in bf extremely annoying < 1115916780 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or well, maybe not annyoing < 1115916783 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiring < 1115921180 0 :GregorR-L!~GregorR-L@host-201-8.pubnet.pdx.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1115921192 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To pay attention in class... < 1115921197 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or not to pay attention in class... < 1115921200 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is the question. < 1115921208 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For is it nobler that I should pretend to be interested, < 1115921217 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when the teacher is unknowingly talking about Brainfuck, < 1115921220 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1115921224 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :waht? :) < 1115921235 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're discussing Turing completeness :-P < 1115921239 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1115921242 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat < 1115921262 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems really interesting subject < 1115921268 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the Universal Register Machine. < 1115921300 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1115921423 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll be back soon, i go to shop to by groce.. errh chocolate cookies :) < 1115921437 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, Gregor, have you looked at HomeSpring? < 1115921456 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, what is it? < 1115921458 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's another lang that is insanely verbose and high level < 1115921481 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though in a very different way than ORK < 1115921481 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1115921516 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello world: < 1115921517 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Universe of marshy force. Field sense < 1115921517 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shallows the hatchery saying Hello,. World!. < 1115921517 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Hydro. Power spring sometimes; snowmelt < 1115921517 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : powers snowmelt always. < 1115921534 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, that's pretty bizarre. < 1115921570 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.rpi.edu/~bindej/hs.html < 1115921596 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the spec is a reather funny read :) < 1115921997 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL < 1115922006 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In Homespring, the null program is not quine." < 1115922011 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As the output to a null program X-D < 1115922083 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"... This allows you to avoid worrying about program style and focus on what programming is really about, the reproductive behavior of salmon" :D < 1115922201 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1115923297 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1115924832 0 :Deanalator!~deanalato@host-200-162.pubnet.pdx.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1115924872 0 :Deanalator!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION dances < 1115924875 0 :Deanalator!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1115924904 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1115925247 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1115925403 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A 2D programming language where you draw a stack, then physically move data above it and drop it in :-P < 1115925419 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you have to navigate your program pointer above the stack, then do a "drop" operation < 1115925421 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1115925427 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hola pgimeno < 1115925435 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hola :) < 1115925437 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Want to tell me where/how/when/what/why to upload my page? < 1115925451 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Minus, umm why and what. < 1115925466 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll do for you, just tell me where to get it from. < 1115925486 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okiday < 1115925537 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wrong with where it is now? < 1115925539 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, that's what I can offer... < 1115925543 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(befunge.org) < 1115925571 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kipple: see www.cats-eye.com < 1115925597 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm < 1115925599 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? I don't get it? < 1115925615 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On one hand, I have no guaranteed uptime, etc. < 1115925625 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the other hand, I have no FTP or SFTP. < 1115925670 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or see http://cats-eye.mb.ca < 1115925677 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it that one? < 1115925683 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you mean : http://catseye.mine.nu:8080/ < 1115925713 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my point is: after some time, domains are abandoned... there are some cases in which the content is also lost < 1115925722 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very true < 1115925725 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(like Ben Olmstead's Malbolge pages) < 1115925740 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fortunately they are in the Wayback Machine but how long? < 1115925743 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a big problem for us esoholics... < 1115925748 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1115925749 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115925771 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm Pedro Gimeno and I'm esoholic < 1115925777 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1115925779 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why Wikipedia is so nice (as long as people don't delete ) < 1115925800 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia is not the place for keeping the esolangs, IMO < 1115925811 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agreed < 1115925821 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agreed. but I haven't seen a good alternative < 1115925827 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's the point < 1115925834 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now calamari has set up an esowiki < 1115925838 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The alternative is to always host in several places. < 1115925845 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, yes < 1115925846 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's one < 1115925853 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue has also set up a wiki < 1115925863 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know graue < 1115925879 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me neither, but he was here some weeks ago and talked about it < 1115925892 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Main_Page < 1115925896 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is the other wiki < 1115925930 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem with these wiki's is that thay may disappear at any time (which is unlikely with wikipedia) < 1115925931 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esowiki.kidsquid.com < 1115925958 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(redirector) < 1115925964 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I agree < 1115925968 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one is much better < 1115925979 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then we can't abuse it just for that reason either < 1115925989 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1115926032 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ideally we should have some mirroring system of esolang pages. especially specifications < 1115926072 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I talked to calamari on the subject, he says he plans on keeping the domain for long < 1115926079 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd be an excellent idea < 1115926097 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: Do you want to have a copy of all the code, etc, as well? < 1115926100 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but we can't really know taht... < 1115926125 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: yes, I'd like to < 1115926126 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also plan to keep my domain for life, but who can really tell... < 1115926139 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pages fizzie < 1115926158 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1115926180 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my domain is from a company, it can be moved but never deleted < 1115926222 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what if the company goes under? or changes it's name? < 1115926250 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should make our own Way Back Machine to archive esoteric pages.... < 1115926251 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that may happen; in that case the links can become obsolete but the web will keep being maintained < 1115926260 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep a copy of everything I upload < 1115926285 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not planning to get rid of befunge.org ever, but obviously I can't know what'll happen. < 1115926310 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ok... will it always be your machine? < 1115926351 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :home PCs are subject to HD crashes, for example < 1115926360 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1115926378 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and who cares about backups today anyway? < 1115926384 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my server did last week, but it seems to have recovered perfectly.... < 1115926401 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you were lucky kipple < 1115926427 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the big problem isn't crashes and backups. it's people loosing interest, and discontinuing their web site < 1115926450 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I was :D < 1115926473 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, interest in esolangs tends to happen especially among young people < 1115926506 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who then spend their entire life trying to deny it ;) < 1115926523 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does? I have no idea of the ages of people involved in esolags (except that I know several go to school currently) < 1115926524 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll probably do raid-1 mirroring on the next box, but anyway. I guess if I ever get tired of hosting befunge.org (or keeping a web server at home), I'll try to consider some alternative arrangements. < 1115926524 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1115926581 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, in some cases (e.g. Olmstead's) they are hosted in the univ or school and disappear when they leave < 1115926601 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just a guess on my side, kipple < 1115926632 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, that's good to know < 1115926646 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.befunge.org/fyb/GregorR.zip < 1115926694 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool, got it < 1115926719 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: BTW, befunge.org seems to be weirding my line breaks for some reason. < 1115926730 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The physical location of this server is likely to change quite much. (I'm probably moving few blocks further that road) in August, and there's an upper limit of 5/6 years (of which I've used 2) for these student apartments anyway.) < 1115926747 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a spurious ) on the above line. < 1115926776 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it will be intermittent for some time < 1115926783 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :intermittently online, I mean < 1115926798 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes. Downtimes shouldn't be longer than few hours, though. < 1115926806 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I need my IRC. < 1115926808 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that's bearable < 1115926810 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehehe < 1115926828 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm fizzie and I'm an IRCoholic < 1115926869 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: Do you have a domain or subdomain for that site, btw? < 1115926890 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: no, sorry, that's the problem I mentioned about the long URL < 1115926907 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all I can do is set up a redirector when I have one < 1115926919 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you want *.codu.org ? < 1115926927 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I own that domain name, but the hosting is lame >_> < 1115926938 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wrong with it? < 1115926938 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Redirects aren't an issue though. < 1115926954 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very small amount of space, low bandwidth, intermittent issues. < 1115926976 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm, yeah, sounds a bit lame < 1115926979 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Costs $1/mo though 8-D < 1115926991 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor is cheap! < 1115926996 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115927003 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But anyway, that's the web host, not the domain host. < 1115927009 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if you want a redirect, I can set it up. < 1115927040 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my problem with redirection is that I have to do it myself < 1115927068 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, your URL changes? < 1115927072 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have/know software for that except Apache but installing Apache sounds like too much overhead < 1115927103 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see e.g. http://www.formauri.com/personal/pgimeno/ <- that's a redirector I have but it can only cope with www.formauri.com < 1115927128 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean whether my URL changes? < 1115927133 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can set up *.codu.org to forward wherever you want. < 1115927141 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, I was being confused ;) < 1115927151 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So do you want a subdomain? < 1115927154 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Between ~17.7. - 16.8. me and befunge.org will both be out of this place I'm living in now, because half of the apartment buildings here are being leased/something to this "IAAF World Championships in Athletics 2005" event. I've arranged a temporary location for the box, though, and hope I'll get to move to the next semi-permanent (at-least-a-year) place at the beginning of August. < 1115927217 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ok, in any case I think you'll agree that it sounds a bit unstable for a permanent esolang page... < 1115927257 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION just sets up pgimeno.codu.org :-P < 1115927273 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: back to the subdomain... you'll probably want to set up gregorr.codu.org or what you want < 1115927276 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes. I don't have any cheap high-quality hosting available, though, otherwise I'd point gehennom.org there. < 1115927291 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, befunge.org. < 1115927300 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, mixing up my domains already. < 1115927335 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some free hostings around but they're full of advertisements < 1115927345 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've gtg now. < 1115927348 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1115927352 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See you all later. < 1115927353 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1115927381 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, I'll discuss the subdomain later < 1115927416 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's funpic.org for example, unlimited space and php + mysql < 1115927491 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but personally I hate pages full of ads < 1115927494 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mm-hmm. I've sometimes considered buying some quality hosting space. A local-ish provider (nebula.fi) has this (1GB of space, php+stuff, 25GB/month traffic recommendation) service that'd be 15eur/month, but since I don't have any content to host, I probably won't do that until I have a Real Job or something. < 1115927536 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, yeah, that's a problem :) < 1115927562 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a local outgoing traffic limit of 14GB/month here, too, but esoteric language sites aren't exactly generating huge amounts of traffic. At least until someone slashdots them. :p < 1115927588 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(phone call= < 1115927589 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1115927605 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, whoops, actually it's 14GB/week, not /month. < 1115927680 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And my web-serving IP has sent out 508498033 bytes during the last 7 days, so I'm not exactly very close to the limit yet.) < 1115927764 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm paying for this hosting, but I'm afraid of using MySQL (e.g. wiki or stuff) because if I move to another ISP the database won't be moved < 1115927791 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I can back it up and stuff but I don't like that idea much < 1115927862 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do they let you take an SQL dump of the db? That's relatively portable. < 1115927940 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so, problem is if it crashes or for some reason I can't take a chance of backing it up before the content is lost/deleted < 1115928074 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmm-hmm. (I'm really waiting for postgresql 8 to get debianized, it features an online hot-backup thing. I have a database table of 9.5 million rows that can't be replaced. I periodically burn a DVD of it, but it's always such a major operation.) < 1115928124 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hum, sounds good, I wasn't aware of latest pgsql advances < 1115928210 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, manual handling of the contents is the only way I plan to handle what I host, no wiki or stuff (that's why I asked GregorR for the files to post) < 1115928235 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh damn, he uses absolute URLs instead of relative links < 1115928349 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, no, I'm wrong < 1115928691 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, another planned service break affecting befunge.org at "16.5.2005 klo 17.00-18.30". FUNET has a borken router, it seems. < 1115928728 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is FUNET? I've used many times ftp.funet.fi but don't know what it is < 1115928828 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finnish University [something-or-other] NETwork. Part of NORDUNET. < 1115928843 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see < 1115928846 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Finnish University and Research Network", apparently. < 1115928863 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure where the R has gone. < 1115928879 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they didn't like the sound of "FurNet". < 1115928934 0 :Kmkr!~Not@wire74.adsl.netsonic.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1115928939 0 :Kmkr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1115928943 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Kmkr < 1115928944 0 :Kmkr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :took a while < 1115928946 0 :Kmkr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1115928950 0 :Kmkr!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Keymaker < 1115928952 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's me. < 1115928954 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115928965 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I recognized you at first :) < 1115928970 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1115928988 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ehlo. < 1115929018 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1115929020 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, an ESMTP salute, cool < 1115929020 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1115929027 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115929030 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"furnet" < 1115929031 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1115929036 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd be good < 1115929066 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, where you have that big database fizzie? < 1115929078 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean what its purpose < 1115929094 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*what is < 1115929095 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er... I'd rather not say. It's a bit stupid. More than a bit, actually. < 1115929108 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115929113 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric/2003-01.log:[2003-01-05 15:47:17] < fizzie> EHLO fizzie < 1115929113 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric/2003-01.log:[2003-01-05 16:25:29] < fizzie> I was kind of waiting for the EHLO answer, whether he supports 8BITMIME and so on. < 1115929120 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've done the esmpt greeting here earlier. < 1115929126 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/pt/tp/ < 1115929168 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the content of your database? irc logs? ;) < 1115929189 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115929197 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, no, I only have ~half a gig of those. < 1115929204 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1115929205 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they're stored as flat-files, not in a db. < 1115929210 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something to read.. < 1115929214 0 :Xin_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) < 1115929234 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: nice idea about that 2D language where you actually need to collect stuff from the stack < 1115929243 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"physically" < 1115929279 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :580M of irclogs in non-bzip2-tarballed directories. < 1115929379 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well, the "database" is in http://darkhive.gehennom.org/ (I wouldn't normally mention the URL, but since it's only readable for Finnish-speaking people...) < 1115929458 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. it's this :) < 1115929476 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mentioned it long ago < 1115929496 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly. I've been writing new statistics graphs for the stats/ thing lately. < 1115929514 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1115929559 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly a catastrophic database failure of _that_ material might be just a good thing. < 1115929574 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115929669 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, finally i found that one track from my harddrive.. < 1115929681 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should convert more of my cds to mp3 < 1115929697 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and to note, i don't share a bit.) < 1115929710 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i hate file sharing) < 1115929722 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, phone again < 1115929731 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recently ripped my CD collection. glad to be finished :) < 1115929742 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115929765 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a big bunch of german trance :p < 1115929771 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and techno) < 1115929783 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the only music they sell so cheaply ;)) < 1115929835 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh. not much of that in my shelf :) < 1115929855 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of music you like? < 1115929859 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly Rock < 1115929888 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pink Floyd, Pixies, R.E.M., Mars Volta, Radiohead, PJ Harvey etc..... < 1115929929 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see. (although don't know much about their music) < 1115929941 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta spend some time away from the computer now. Later. < 1115929945 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1115929947 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have fun < 1115930435 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: excuse me but the link you gave sounds to me basically like this one: http://pikachize.eye-of-newt.com/pika.cgi?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.formauri.es%2F < 1115930934 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, well... ours is a rather silly little language. < 1115930961 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :silly? why? < 1115930990 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I just assume it sounds silly to non-speakers. < 1115931038 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, "entgegengegangen" sounds silly to me, but I'm sure it sounds reasonable and sensible for any possible *.de people here. < 1115931040 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is silly for speakers as well :p < 1115931057 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1115931105 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1115931126 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got an idea that maybe esolangs need somekind of creature as well < 1115931135 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like there is that tux penguin < 1115931144 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that gnu gnu < 1115931158 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about something esoteric animal? < 1115931226 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(like some cute virus :)) < 1115931244 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1115931247 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something nice < 1115931284 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. I'm not sure what would be the most esoteric animal. < 1115931313 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps a platypus. < 1115931364 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the pgimeno is a rather esoteric animal < 1115931441 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1115931474 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1115931480 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that platypus seems fun and cute < 1115931484 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a platypus on the cover of my "Object-Oriented Programming" book. < 1115931504 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115931505 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1115931523 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think its author (Timothy Budd) has a habit of adding one to each of his books. < 1115931543 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1115931578 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. i could attempt drawing it tomorrow. < 1115931584 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(notice i suck at drawing!) < 1115931667 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The platypus's name is Phyl. < 1115931676 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1115931681 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in those books?) < 1115931699 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1115931702 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1115931734 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyways, imho it might be fun to have some animal as esolang mascot < 1115931747 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this one he uses it to demonstrate an exception where a child class overrides behaviour it inherits. It's a mammal, yet it lays eggs. < 1115931760 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115931768 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm that's rather interesting < 1115931841 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like the book too much, but I guess that's not Phyl's fault. < 1115931992 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1115932099 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. i'll get to sleep < 1115932118 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good nite < 1115932121 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Night. < 1115932122 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Freedom!" < 1115932158 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to leave now too, see you tomorrow < 1115932187 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, for GregorR: http://www.formauri.es/personal/GregorR/ < 1115932209 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some details have still to be pinned down but it's there already < 1115932225 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1115933833 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taaus: http://helios.et.put.poznan.pl/%7Edzieciol/fx/Adam_Fulara-Goldberg_no_1.avi < 1115935872 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1115941735 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: Oh. My. God... That's amazing! < 1115941750 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no kidding < 1115941760 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks way harder than piano < 1115941776 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1115941808 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet it isn't :) < 1115941839 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hehe... Well... Learn to play it on the guitar! :) < 1115941873 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no way < 1115941881 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have a guitar like that :) < 1115941926 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Build one! :P < 1115941937 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just tape two guitars together. ;) < 1115941967 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1115941973 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't play that on piano anyway :) < 1115941996 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oop. I gotta go. Thanks for the link... I'll have to look at that movie a dozen times. < 1115942457 0 :calamari!~calamari@dialup-4.240.245.254.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1115944775 0 :RandomName28H3i!~chatzilla@199.221.85.133 JOIN :#esoteric < 1115946101 0 :RandomName28H3i!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.3/20040913]" < 1115946206 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kipple: I forgot to ask - do you mind if I stick your 99-bottles-of-beer in ORK under the ORK examples? < 1115946228 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course not. go ahead :) < 1115946285 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW, I've been formulating plans to make such things as LLLs possible. < 1115946292 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll have a construct like: < 1115946298 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LLL? < 1115946308 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LLL=linear linked list < 1115946317 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I mean is any object that needs a pointer to another object. < 1115946339 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, constructs like this: A linear linked list can have a next which is a linear linked list. < 1115946340 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes. that would be nice :) < 1115946350 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you could set it like: My next is {blah}. < 1115946358 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or: I have a next. (to just make a new one) < 1115948205 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then perhaps, you could do: Will is to write my next's next's next's next's next's value :) < 1115948702 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though if any of those were uninstanciated, you would not be very happy ;) < 1115950418 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1115951837 0 :cpressey!nobody@d154-20-76-195.bchsia.telus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1115953397 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: unless your program is the universe.. :) < 1115954488 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1115955087 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1115956566 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That video defies all reason. < 1115956645 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1115956695 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just don't even get what he's doing .... < 1115956703 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is he hitting the strings with enough force to cause a vibration? < 1115956713 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd think that would cause two (possibly dissonant) notes... < 1115960971 0 :GregorR-L!~GregorR-L@c-24-21-138-66.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1115964107 0 :puzzlet!~puzzlet@61.247.148.38 JOIN :#esoteric < 1115964130 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello world < 1115964147 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: no < 1115964155 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: since pick-ups are only on one end of the string < 1115964536 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh.. we have "Babel Fish Research Group" in Korea < 1115964556 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what we do is to research Babel Fish's behaviours < 1115964565 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as http://www.puzzlet.org/puzzlet/BabelFish~Lama < 1115964587 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :swim swim hungry < 1115964594 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, that's dopefish < 1115964616 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: OH, that's right, it's electric. < 1115964623 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason that didn't occur to me. < 1115964635 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: yes, and you can play any electric guitar like this. < 1115964642 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh < 1115964650 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can play acoustic ones like that too, it'd just be very soft < 1115964691 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is not a guitarist ;) < 1115964706 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not a guitarist, but i can play the guitar a bit < 1115968702 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, my best is http://www.puzzlet.org/puzzlet/BabelFish~%EB%AA%A8%EC%A7%81 < 1115969058 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1115971199 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1115971200 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1115973005 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1115973043 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1115973110 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that page about, puzzlet? I don't get it (and I don't understand Korean) < 1115973162 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some phrases are iteratively fed to Babel Fish < 1115973187 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we archive interesting results < 1115973205 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1115973229 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the gnuplot/latex section supposed to graph? < 1115973274 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, that's supposed to show the words are increasing quadratically. < 1115973283 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O(n^2) < 1115973347 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see < 1115973349 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some other collections in http://www.puzzlet.org/puzzlet/BabelFish~BabelFishAutomata < 1115973370 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see what makes them interesting though < 1115973413 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it wasn't designed to behave that way < 1115973428 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what wasn't? BabelFish itself? < 1115973441 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BabelFish itself < 1115973455 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I think I'm starting to get it < 1115973475 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not at all, as a translation service < 1115973588 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some of those phenomena have some strict rules, and we call it "Babel Fish automata" < 1115973649 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :translating "Pink"(English) into "Pink-color"(Korean) causes another one: http://www.puzzlet.org/puzzlet/BabelFish~Pink < 1115973690 0 :calamari!~calamari@dialup-4.240.243.6.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1115973749 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1115973768 0 :tokigun!tokigun@sparcs.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1115973886 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi tokigun :) < 1115973894 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1115973914 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he is a member from Babel Fish Research Group < 1115973923 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh :) < 1115973991 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't there more complex cycles? < 1115973995 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iterative translating manually is so cumbersome, so he and i made an irc bot to do that. < 1115974036 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.puzzlet.org/puzzlet/BabelFish~ItItOfItIt < 1115974038 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8-cycle < 1115974046 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1115974118 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we aim for sth like Turing Machine made out of it, but it would be hardly possible ;) < 1115974155 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, Thue works by string substitution, maybe this can do something alike < 1115974168 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thue? < 1115974172 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1115974176 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sec < 1115974205 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see http://catseye.webhop.net/ < 1115974240 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Projects: Languages < 1115974247 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, so many languages from cat's eye < 1115974261 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: it's new domain of Cat's Eye Technologies? < 1115974302 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a (hopefully permanent) redirector < 1115974332 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1115974389 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe cpressey himself can tell us more precisely < 1115974405 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, there he is < 1115974411 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy crap < 1115974413 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never noticed < 1115974418 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey indeed < 1115974420 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me neither < 1115974431 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this channel sure has grown < 1115974445 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, it's about the first thing I notice when I first entered some days ago < 1115974451 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*noticed < 1115974463 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION kicks cpressey  < 1115974480 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION stomps on cpressey's head < 1115974490 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure if he's conscious < 1115974502 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if he was, now he isn't ;) < 1115974502 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey let him go < 1115974543 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is reading Thue documentation < 1115974578 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had written a nice Thue interpreter in javascript < 1115974581 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then it vanished :( < 1115974589 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so sad < 1115974595 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's one in the wayback machine, is it yours? < 1115974600 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where where < 1115974607 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1115974608 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :link! < 1115974617 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in my bookmarks, hold on < 1115974649 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION holds on tight < 1115974655 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, yeah it's yours < 1115974657 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://web.archive.org/web/20031210145310/http://cyberspace.org/~lament/thue.html < 1115974688 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god < 1115974690 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cyberspace.org < 1115974693 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was so long ago < 1115974706 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks thanks < 1115974715 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :np < 1115974746 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1115974752 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, now the official home address is http://z3.ca/~lament/thue.html < 1115974782 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice, I'll add it to my bookmarks (but I'll keep the wayback machine one just in case) < 1115974866 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i wrote it at work :) < 1115974898 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's nice that wayback machine archives js as well as html < 1115974910 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in some cases even .zip < 1115974947 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how I've managed to recover the True distribution (which is based, quite unsurprisingly, in False) < 1115974994 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another Game of Text - http://puzzlet.org/tmp/pipe.htm < 1115975007 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compare with http://puzzlet.org/tmp/braille.htm < 1115975258 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :puzzlet, would you mind adding Arial Unicode MS to the list of fallback fonts? < 1115975281 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course not < 1115975302 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is celluar automaton! < 1115975307 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just don't know much about unicode fonts < 1115975319 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cellular < 1115975342 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sierpinsky triangle thue program has such a pretty memory state < 1115975361 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Courier New just in case... the font that gets used here is not proportional :( < 1115975362 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't* < 1115975493 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool! < 1115975500 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's proportional now < 1115975558 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i gotta be away from my keyboard < 1115975561 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: links at http://z3.ca/~lament/ascii-art.html seem to be broken < 1115975599 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no shit < 1115975630 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll have to recover all that as well < 1115975638 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just look at http://web.archive.org/web/20031218155802/cyberspace.org/~lament/ instead < 1115975653 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1115975655 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you the page is 2 years old < 1115975657 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115976539 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry but i'll be back. < 1115976540 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1115976547 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry but i won't < 1115976549 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sleeps < 1115976625 0 :tokigun!tokigun@sparcs.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1115981105 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1115981904 0 :kipple!~kipple@163.80-202-100.nextgentel.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1115984518 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it would be a good idea to write an ORK version of the CSS descrambler; ORK is just so verbose and explanatory that it could serve as a boost to the freedom-of-speech point < 1115984646 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps < 1115984677 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you volunteering? ;) < 1115984683 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1115984700 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an ORK interpreter is higher in my list of priorities < 1115984716 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :initializing those arrays will be quite a lot of code... < 1115984731 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would also be nice :) < 1115984794 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ORK is half the way towards an usable teaching language < 1115985146 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I somehow doubt that is Greg's intention < 1115985207 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, he agreed that it was halfway usable for object-oriented programming teaching < 1115985222 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just I think that that's not his priority < 1115985338 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. I just looked at the perl CSS descrambler on the CSS gallery. Perl has to be the most esoteric of the regular languages :) < 1115985374 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, I think so < 1115985396 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's been commented here a few days ago < 1115985407 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then again, the tiniest C version is almost just as bad < 1115985475 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or good, depending on your point of view :) < 1115985549 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obfuscated < 1115985557 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1115985588 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, the IOCCC has become a tiny coding contest these days... sorta lost some interest < 1115992841 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hoi < 1115992866 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's curious that people have taken an interest in ORK ;) < 1115993100 0 :Keymaker!~Not@wire74.adsl.netsonic.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1115993112 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's weeeeeeeeeeekeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeend!!! < 1115993119 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHUT UP < 1115993121 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_< < 1115993123 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1115993125 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You and your time zones. < 1115993132 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1115993134 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't even gone to work on Friday yet >_< < 1115993140 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha!!!!!!!! < 1115993155 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but notice when i'm worrying about monday < 1115993158 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can spend sunday < 1115993167 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just woke up, and it's 16:00. < 1115993172 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1115993176 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Awesome :-P < 1115993182 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we are on same time zone! < 1115993182 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't gone to work on Friday yet either. :p < 1115993187 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115993205 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :may i ask how you managed to sleep so late? < 1115993215 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was pretty tired, what with not sleeping more than ~3 hours/night during the last week. < 1115993225 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie pulls out his marijuana - "And this helped too" < 1115993236 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115993249 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has no clue whether that would actually help. < 1115993254 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it an upper or a downer? Idonno < 1115993257 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me neither. < 1115993261 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it might. < 1115993265 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides, I slept only 0300 -> 1600, which is just 13 hours. < 1115993284 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I woke up at 5:30AM < 1115993308 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i woke up at 6:30 < 1115993309 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*brain melts* < 1115993313 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115993331 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You people are weird. < 1115993342 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I wouldn't if I didn't have to go to work. < 1115993384 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1115993462 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyways; < 1115993467 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about the stuff on logs < 1115993475 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting stuff as there has been lately < 1115993493 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ORK version of decss would be worth of seeing < 1115993560 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: you know dopefish too?! < 1115993565 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :highly cool! < 1115993587 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1115993591 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-ChanServ- Alternate: lament, last seen: 4 days (10h 4m 1s) ago < 1115993597 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks at lament. < 1115993599 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-ChanServ- Alternate: lament, last seen: 4 days (10h 4m 1s) ago < 1115993602 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1115993615 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1115993648 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well, that cpressey stuff was fun < 1115993677 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyways; < 1115993701 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :puzzlet (and tokigun): that Babel Fish Research Group is really cool idea i think < 1115993707 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good luck with the project < 1115993720 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well, publish some results in english ;) < 1115994021 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a sidenote; has anyone seen a film called the Audition? < 1115994033 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to be some horror movie < 1115994040 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they show here on tv tonight < 1115994072 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i usually don't watch movies from tv, but just thought this one might be worth seeing < 1115994076 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone seen it? < 1115994159 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never heard of it *shrugs* < 1115994175 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood? -> BABEL FISH -> How much wood is arctomys possible because arctomys it can the wood tap strike slightly? < 1115994193 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1115994231 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, off to work. < 1115994256 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye! < 1115994301 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1115994349 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The last section of the film is one of the most brutal torture scenes ever put on celluloid, and it is definitely not for the faint of heart. But even in its gore-filled shockingness, the film is beautiful to look at, a monumental achievement by a director willing to take chances and challenge his audience." < 1115994354 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.moviesonline.ca/movie_details.php?id=105 < 1115994411 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we'll see.. :) < 1115994750 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to find a fixed point of the ps2pdf/pdf2ps conversion pair. < 1115994842 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is being difficult. Apparently each successive iteration adds 13 bytes to the postscript. < 1115994889 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it somekind of task? < 1115994891 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. The 13 bytes consist of the lines "0 0 0 0 re" and "f". < 1115994897 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, no, was just curious. < 1115994899 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1115994982 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting, though. The original postscript was 92603 bytes, after the first iteration it had increased to 99447 bytes, but after the second it suddenly jumped to 1714687 bytes. < 1115994996 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's ~100k -> 1.7M.) < 1115998067 0 :puzzlet!~puzzlet@61.247.148.38 JOIN :#esoteric < 1115998579 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1116006334 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y0 < 1116006348 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ho < 1116006371 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: have you managed to ever get a decreasing number? < 1116006417 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what version of ghostscript btw? < 1116006480 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not the postscript-oriented kind of guy < 1116006655 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I'm curious about what the results are with the conversion < 1116006677 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ESP Ghostscript 7.07.1 (2003-07-12) < 1116007680 0 :Keymaker!~Not@wire74.adsl.netsonic.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1116007687 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh < 1116007689 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back home < 1116007696 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1116007701 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1116007716 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1116007771 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :surprisingly Wikipedia had launched hieroglyph support < 1116007779 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:WikiHiero_syntax < 1116007795 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what it has to do with esoteric languages < 1116007888 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :programming in hieroglyph seems classic, though :) < 1116008037 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1116008640 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grh.. must go < 1116008641 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :re Keymaker < 1116008644 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doh < 1116008645 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1116008646 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye Keymaker < 1116008649 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1116008651 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi and bye < 1116008654 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Freedom!" < 1116008660 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: about the size reduction, did you manage to get any? < 1116009408 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, the ps size is always monotonically increasing, and the pdf is quite constant. < 1116009411 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See http://gehennom.org/~fis/ps2pdf.txt < 1116010160 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I have waay to much free time, I've actually studied Hieroglyphs and the Ancient Egyptian language and grammar. < 1116010169 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaaand ... back to work :P < 1116011328 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1116015271 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1116018082 0 :Keymaker!~Not@wire74.adsl.netsonic.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1116018087 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1116018089 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good news < 1116018103 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bf-hacks.org should be ready in 48 < 1116018114 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :secs? < 1116018115 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :47 < 1116018116 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :46 < 1116018117 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :45 < 1116018118 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1116018122 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems i've received e-mail that told me that it should be functional in 48 hours :) < 1116018125 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1116018143 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat! < 1116018148 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah < 1116018159 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :better make some programs fast :) < 1116018262 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kinda neat how easy it is to do stuff via web.. like i just ordered the domain and paid it in web :) < 1116018395 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have any plans apart from the design? < 1116018408 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plans? < 1116018410 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1116018415 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about the contents < 1116018415 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, there's link section < 1116018421 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1116018430 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have thought about making some section called "Study" < 1116018432 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1116018439 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would have interesting stuff about brainfuck < 1116018452 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the problem is to write this interesting stuff.. ;)) < 1116018492 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, it's easy, you know, just write it < 1116018493 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1116018505 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1116018518 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i can get something done < 1116018531 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that might appear long after the site is in web :) < 1116018541 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's true also for the Great Unification Theorem of Quantum Mechanics and Relativity, of course) < 1116018974 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmh.. pepsi.. < 1116018998 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that spam or something? :P < 1116019009 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j/k < 1116019092 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1116019097 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DRINK PEPSI! < 1116019118 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(just earned my 0.005$ :)) < 1116019135 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1116019139 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1116019272 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm.. seems the audition (movie) starts in 15 minutes < 1116019328 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1116019340 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, there's still time.. < 1116019350 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw < 1116019358 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you're doing pgimeno? < 1116019364 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that website of yours? < 1116019407 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I'm working in deep changes < 1116019413 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1116019452 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted to write about my Malbolge adventure but there was no room for it, so I thought it was about time of updating it < 1116019461 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1116019469 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a good reading material < 1116019597 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1116019609 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems i haven't managed to do almost anything in few weeks < 1116019612 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or possible more < 1116019627 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder what i have been doing.. probably just chatting on this channel < 1116019639 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or surfing random websites < 1116019642 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::\ < 1116019656 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, surfing random websites is my source for inspiration < 1116019662 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1116019664 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you read my Minesweeper article? < 1116019671 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should reread it < 1116019676 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seemed good < 1116019682 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i didn't concentrate much < 1116019685 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll read it again < 1116019692 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting idea < 1116019697 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it needs a bit of knowledge of logic gates < 1116019713 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i have some knowledge of those < 1116019721 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just asked to show how I include lots of references of what I've visited < 1116019738 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1116019741 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asked who? < 1116019748 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asked if you've read it < 1116019752 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1116019776 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just to prove my point that it's my source of inspiration :) < 1116019783 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1116019884 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but gotta go! < 1116019886 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1116019888 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Freedom!" < 1116019938 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hope you enjoy the movie < 1116027907 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: which version of your page is the "official" one (i.e. which should I bookmark). befunge.org or formauri.es? < 1116028197 0 :Keymaker!~Not@wire74.adsl.netsonic.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1116028201 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1116028213 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kipple: http://eso.codu.org/ For the moment it points to befunge.org, but I'll change it if it becomes necessary to. < 1116028220 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi and bye (back to work ;) ) < 1116028224 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. nice < 1116028227 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1116028228 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and bye :) < 1116028236 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Keymaker < 1116028245 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1116028248 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1116028254 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hadn't guts to watch the movie :) < 1116028259 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was getting too bizarre < 1116028266 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1116028272 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange < 1116028289 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was about to ask :) < 1116028293 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1116028295 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not a gore genre fan < 1116028304 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not me either < 1116028326 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really scary < 1116028332 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of which: Have you seen Braindead :) < 1116028336 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1116028339 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no :) < 1116028344 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(except in mirror) < 1116028347 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION prefers fuck rather than dead < 1116028353 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1116028354 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sorry for the strong words) < 1116028358 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :np < 1116028376 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has good point < 1116028457 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw < 1116028467 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where was that minesweeper stuff again? < 1116028470 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would reread it now < 1116028482 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the way, I got pointer support working in ORK, but as per usual I'm at work and can't upload it :-P < 1116028491 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1116028494 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, get home then! < 1116028504 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :call in sick! < 1116028505 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.formauri.es/personal/pgimeno/compurec/Minesweeper.php < 1116028510 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheers < 1116028515 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1116028515 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm on a timecard, so if I leave, I get less 444 < 1116028521 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With dollar signs. < 1116028526 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That I apparently can't type over VNC. < 1116028542 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1116028562 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: I have a few aspects to discuss with you about hosting, when you have the time < 1116028680 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you don't mind a slow, broken discussion, ask away ;) < 1116028724 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main problem is that the server doesn't allow publishing directories < 1116028731 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.formauri.es/personal/GregorR/ < 1116028774 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pointing a link to a directory causes a 403 < 1116028814 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(actually that can also be seen as a good security measure) < 1116028848 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On my end, that's solved, I just need to send the proper index files. < 1116028856 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, neat < 1116028866 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd noticed that as well ;) < 1116028912 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'll send the index files to you at about 4:30AM (your time zone) - will you be up? ;) < 1116028926 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm afraid not < 1116028937 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll email ;) < 1116028958 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... k < 1116029065 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the email is in a PM (sorry, one never knows if a spambot will also read IRC logs) < 1116029098 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have given up hiding my email. Now I rely on spam filters insted < 1116029113 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do both < 1116029130 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1116029138 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use real letters :) < 1116029140 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just give fake email addresses. < 1116029148 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get much email that way .... < 1116029158 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't get much sam either! < 1116029161 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*spam < 1116029164 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1116029167 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1116029179 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW, my address is PresidentGregor@whitehouse.gov < 1116029249 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reminds me of that story... "BTW, my IP address is 127.0.0.1" < 1116029257 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh :D < 1116029270 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no place like 127.0.0.1 < 1116029286 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1116029297 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hehe I'm formatting your HD you idiot"... PING TIMEOUT < 1116029304 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1116029308 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've read that < 1116029318 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least something like that < 1116029330 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was on slashdot recently < 1116029335 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1116029340 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that probably was it < 1116029341 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a very reduced version actually < 1116029348 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a remainder < 1116029355 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1116029364 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the guy was real idiot.. < 1116029374 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the story's true... < 1116029386 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah.. hey, i am lame because i use firewall :) < 1116029393 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1116029396 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1116029405 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably one of these... http://funny.evilbunny.org/display/1808/ < 1116029450 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually avoid being hacked by writing my entire operating system from the ground up in-house and never releasing the source code. < 1116029463 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1116029467 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Works real well, and only takes a few years per iteration. < 1116029484 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha :D < 1116029579 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc the guy said something like "gimme your ip #&(/" and i'll send you a virus #)(/)(#!!1" < 1116029628 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that < 1116029631 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1116029866 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of homemade OSes: Have anyone tried the BF OS loader? < 1116029881 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was posted on the brainfuck mailing list a while ago < 1116029927 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1116030147 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lilly.csoft.net/~jeffryj/programs/bf/bf.html < 1116030156 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting stuff. < 1116030174 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1116030225 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet still (iirc) calamari says he can't program in bf very well :) < 1116030269 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, so Jeffrey is calamari :) good to know < 1116030288 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1116030516 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i tried earlier today to invent some esoteric language mascot < 1116030519 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and failed) < 1116030526 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i came up with this: < 1116030538 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://koti.mbnet.fi/yiap/stuff/ork.png < 1116030565 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that supposed to be greg? < 1116030571 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1116030571 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: don't take it seriously; ORK and your hats are cool :) < 1116030573 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1116030579 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :noooo < 1116030591 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering if that was one of my hats :-P < 1116030597 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1116030601 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1116030607 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though that creature isn't exactly an Or[ck] < 1116030624 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1116030631 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, what's the most esoteric animal I wonder.... < 1116030640 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1116030642 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1116030646 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OOH, one sec, I know what it is! < 1116030654 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to find it on Wikipedia again, just giive me a sec < 1116030677 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1116030750 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grr. < 1116030755 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trying to paste over VNC = not fun < 1116030778 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trichoplax < 1116030815 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1116030880 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1116030884 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds quite interesting < 1116031020 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no picture... < 1116031022 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe cryptozoology is the place to look :) < 1116031026 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptozoology < 1116031152 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1116031451 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, I don't wear glasses, so where did those come from? < 1116031479 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not you < 1116031488 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just trying to make esomascot < 1116031499 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then got the idea to make it wear your hate < 1116031501 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*hat < 1116031514 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then i thought about adding some reference to ORK to that picture < 1116031516 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1116031545 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and those are just some strange eyes although they look like eyes < 1116031548 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems like an oddly specific esomascot X-D < 1116031553 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about the Dodo?:) < 1116031554 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodo < 1116031556 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1116031729 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this picture needs a *LOT* work: < 1116031729 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://koti.mbnet.fi/yiap/stuff/mascots.png < 1116031740 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and don't blame me, i don't have visual memory!) < 1116032307 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and some lines up i meant to say they're just eyes although they look like eyeglasses < 1116032410 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. anyways, i'm tired, and it's 3:03 am here < 1116032417 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :better go to sleep < 1116032427 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1116032432 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1116032434 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Freedom!" < 1116037749 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to sleep too < 1116037760 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nite all < 1116038392 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com" < 1116044317 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1116045198 0 :GregorR-L!~GregorR-L@c-24-21-138-66.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1116045205 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :w00t! My kipple tokenization finally works 8-D < 1116054064 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got a good mascot :) < 1116054117 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.befunge.org/fyb/placozoan.png < 1116054654 0 :puzzlet!~puzzlet@61.247.148.38 JOIN :#esoteric < 1116054679 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hoi < 1116054699 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1116054780 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How goes? < 1116054846 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1116054852 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're in yet another time zone from everybody else X-D < 1116054871 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did you know? < 1116054892 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CTCP TIME < 1116054904 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes your IRC client respond with your computer's time. < 1116054937 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm from South Korea < 1116054944 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahh < 1116054975 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite the wide range this channel has. < 1116056014 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1116056945 0 :Keymaker!~Not@wire74.adsl.netsonic.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1116056952 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1116056957 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1116056960 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or w00t! < 1116056969 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bf-hacks.org is accessible < 1116056976 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should just upload other than test-index < 1116056986 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you decided the domain < 1116056993 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1116057044 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: so you got the kipple interpreter working?! < 1116057049 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one in ORK? < 1116057064 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds really neat < 1116057599 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1116057600 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1116057963 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woah woah woah. < 1116057966 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hold your horses. < 1116057969 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got the TOKENIZATION working. < 1116057978 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still a ways off from the full interpreter ;) < 1116057978 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that then? < 1116057983 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok < 1116057996 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can read in a kipple file and figure out what's a number, what's a stack, what's an operation, and organize it as such. < 1116058002 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes < 1116058004 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i see < 1116058012 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty good < 1116058018 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So did you see my mascot? ;) < 1116058022 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah :) < 1116058093 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember to look closely what the manual says about all the stuff < 1116058098 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(kipple manual) < 1116058123 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes yes. < 1116058127 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is quite intricate. < 1116058131 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1116058265 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is important: "The program 1>a<2 a+a will result in a containing the values [1 4] and not [1 3]. Likewise for the - operator." < 1116058291 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I saw that. < 1116058295 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1116058309 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to accomplish that by peeking instead of popping for the + operator. < 1116058334 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1116058346 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey! < 1116058384 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow -- so if.. i mean WHEN you have completed the kipple interpreter, ORK can create the C file that can be compiled..? < 1116058404 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then we'll get interpreter written in C! that i can use on computer! < 1116058411 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wheeee!!!! < 1116058413 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL < 1116058416 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's C++ ;) < 1116058417 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah. < 1116058421 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, odesn't matter:) < 1116058424 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woah < 1116058466 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kinda fun that the first interpreter (other than kipple's (person)) is written in esolang < 1116058467 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and cool < 1116058505 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1116058640 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, do you have work today gregorr? < 1116058654 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or can you hack the interpreter all the day ;) < 1116059132 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's 12:26AM for me right now :-P < 1116059136 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if you mean Saturday, no I don't. < 1116059211 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1116059216 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice :) < 1116060708 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but well. gotta do some annoying studying today.. bye < 1116060715 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Freedom!" < 1116062029 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moo < 1116062091 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keymaker: congrats on your brand-new domain! < 1116069791 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mhnhmm... morning, assorted humans and others. < 1116069894 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders which side is he(it?) on ;) < 1116069906 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :morning < 1116070095 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it is the future already (past-2000), some of you might be computer programs. Although I'm a bit disappointed at the lack of flying cars... and the orbital-elevator-thing is still missing, too. < 1116070169 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1116072966 0 :Keymaker!~a@wire74.adsl.netsonic.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1116072980 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1116073082 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hlo. < 1116073089 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1116073168 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am trying out Lucene, apache project's text search engine thing. < 1116073182 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1116073196 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it search text from internet or where? < 1116073232 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wherever you like. It doesn't include a web-crawler, though, it's just a search engine engine. < 1116073258 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1116073268 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using it to index the messages in Darkhive, but seems it'll take over 8 hours to build the index. (I'm estimating the speed as ~10 discussion-threads per second.) < 1116073345 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh. there's plenty o' content < 1116073371 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might be faster once I add words like "ei", "joo" and such to the stop-word-list so it doesn't bother indexing those. I was going to build the index without any stop words first, since apparently you can get some term frequency information from the index, so I can check what are the most common words used there. < 1116074261 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hour-lag reply..) pgimento: thanks < 1116074685 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1116074692 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you suggest; < 1116074705 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i add the programs to my site as block form < 1116074717 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or in more readable form < 1116075638 0 :kipple!~kipple@163.80-202-100.nextgentel.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1116075863 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiya kipple < 1116075871 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1116075887 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just about to upload the first version of bf-hacks < 1116075924 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see it :) < 1116075939 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha, Royal Brainfuck Society :D < 1116075942 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1116075945 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :noo < 1116075948 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not the first yet < 1116075951 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was just test < 1116075960 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to wait a minute < 1116075968 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry... < 1116076086 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta go eat some breakfast. I'll check it out later < 1116076160 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1116076188 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeaaah < 1116076192 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's up now < 1116076193 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.bf-hacks.org/ < 1116076232 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i should make more programs that would be worth of adding < 1116076263 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :A new brainfuck site http://www.bf-hacks.org/ is opened! < 1116076668 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1116076701 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i should draw the 'favicon' or whatever that small picture is called that appears in most browsers when going to some site < 1116077339 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Another brainfuck site (http://www.bf-hacks.org/) is open! < 1116077343 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's better < 1116077814 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice :) < 1116077834 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, will there be only BF stuff there? < 1116077853 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1116077871 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then maybe you should link to you other site... < 1116077876 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1116077879 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be clever < 1116077891 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll do that probably sometime < 1116077910 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just wonder where i would place the link.. < 1116077913 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably to index < 1116077925 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*in < 1116077940 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well, must update yiap to add this link < 1116077950 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and glad you like it < 1116078028 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good colors. Much better than my black text on white background pages < 1116078094 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, it's just some reversing < 1116078144 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first i thought about pink background and yellow text, but this seemed a bit better < 1116078180 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch. would that even be readable? < 1116078210 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a joke :) < 1116078213 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not very readable < 1116079509 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i try to make myself study for a while, so i close the computer. if don't close it i wouldn'tr ead :) < 1116079512 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1116079514 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1116085798 0 :Keymaker!~Not@wire74.adsl.netsonic.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1116085803 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1116085813 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my eyeglasses dropped < 1116085819 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the other lens got out < 1116085822 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i can't find it! < 1116085839 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how it can be that lens can get so completely lost?! i've searched everywhere < 1116086255 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe because you can't see without it ;) < 1116086449 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh :) < 1116086458 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is annoying < 1116086475 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i can keep my left eye closed < 1116088434 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmh. can't find it < 1116089022 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :glasses have the bad costume of being transparent < 1116089025 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hi) < 1116089265 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1116089267 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1116089284 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well, i finally found them couple of minutes ago < 1116089294 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i'm trying to insert the lens back < 1116089404 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, congrats! it must have been quite uncomfortable to look for it with an eye closed < 1116089416 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheers < 1116089418 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1116089464 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ever noticed that if you lose some stuff you find it from a place you assume it never could get? :) < 1116089519 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure :) < 1116089523 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found these under my table. i didn't assume a lens could fly that far.. < 1116089541 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everybody knows lenses don't fly :P < 1116089556 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1116089629 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad i can't fit it back completely < 1116089718 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah! managed! < 1116089724 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good as new < 1116089742 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice! < 1116089798 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1116089859 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr, so many Debian packages changed since my last upgrade... I'm afraid I'll have to update the list < 1116089893 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1116089894 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any recommended graphical FTP client? < 1116089905 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was about to install gftp, don't know how good or bad it is < 1116089975 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1116089981 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc i used gftp today < 1116089984 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems to work well < 1116090024 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, then it may be worth downloading it separately and installing instead of upgrading < 1116090027 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1116090033 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're welcome < 1116090040 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad i now have to go < 1116090046 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to buy some candy :) < 1116090048 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1116090049 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Freedom!" < 1116093007 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a scribe called pgimeno. There is a writer called GregorR. When GregorR is around: GregorR is to page pgimeno. If pgimeno's answer is hello: GregorR is to tell pgimeno if it's OK that pgimeno updates ork/index.html himself. If GregorR's answer is yes: pgimeno is to finish updating GregorR pages' mirror. < 1116093193 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL < 1116093272 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm heating engines to write that deCSS descrambler :) < 1116093282 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh! < 1116093288 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good luck < 1116093340 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not actually... unless someone lends me a "pause time" button < 1116093352 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can have mine < 1116093364 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never got it to work anyway ;) < 1116093402 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doh, in the meantime I'll put "fix kipple's pause-time button" in the queue < 1116093423 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx :) < 1116093514 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is gone for the night < 1116093537 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, enjoy! < 1116093763 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there an ORK syntax highlighting file for vim yet? < 1116093809 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks the distribution < 1116093832 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, maybe GregorR forgot to include it ;) < 1116094081 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should write one, then try to use ORK for something. It must be a great language, since everyone's talking about it nowadays. < 1116094362 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I lack a suitable project, though. < 1116094385 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have one, do you want it? < 1116094627 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's that deCSS thing, I probably don't. < 1116094693 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that ork-0.7 a current version of the distribution? < 1116094696 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it was worth trying anyway < 1116094699 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes AFAIK < 1116095057 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ork only has number and string arrays, not arrays of generic classes? Aw. < 1116098413 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm. If I write "blablah is to foo 1", when blablah is a member of class that "can foo a number", it compiles to foo(1) and then g++ complains, because the actual function is a foo(double& ref). This is annoying. Do I need to store all arguments to temporary variables? Admittedly it adds to the oh-so-nice verbosity, but... < 1116098488 0 :Keymaker!~Not@wire74.adsl.netsonic.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1116098497 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good hello! < 1116098508 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... disable the warning? < 1116098509 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Keymaker < 1116098513 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1116098516 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not a warning, it's an error. < 1116098524 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't convert a constant to a reference, obviously. < 1116098544 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, if I want a big ( >= 2^31 ) numerical constant, I need to use nnnn.0 instead of nnnn, which is a bit.. undesirable, since I really shouldn't have to know about the generated C++ code. < 1116098558 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's an error too. error: integer constant is too large for "long" type < 1116098570 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, double& is byref... sorry I'm not much into C+ < 1116098603 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*C++ < 1116098682 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess GregorR didn't care much about documenting integer limits < 1116098707 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, all the numbers are doubles, it's just that the constant needs a .0 at the end. < 1116098737 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There could be some sort of identifier renaming thing, too. I can't have a function called "xor" now, since that's a reserved C++ keyword apparently. < 1116098798 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, yes I agree on the renaming < 1116098827 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully my interpreter will cope with these issues < 1116099071 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, doing logical operations is quite fun, too. I would like to test for some bits, but the "1" I get from 124421.000000 / 4.000000 % 2.000000 is different from the "1" I get from a constant 1, due to floating-point inaccurancies, so they don't compare as 'equals'. < 1116099256 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty esoteric < 1116099287 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmh.. apple flavour.. < 1116099294 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :test if > 0.5 :) < 1116099302 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's so _verbose_. < 1116099318 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, turns out that in this particular case they are the same 1.0s. Still, I'm sure I'm going to get bitten by floating point things. < 1116099349 0 :lament!~lament@24.83.163.157 JOIN :#esoteric < 1116099372 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite likely; Real Programmers do FP math with integers < 1116099374 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi lament < 1116099431 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :evenin' < 1116099449 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) ah, yes. integers are the best < 1116099477 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1116099494 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's going? < 1116099512 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1116099528 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1116099567 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1116099583 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the key combination to stop program in dos console? (i'm in win xp this time) < 1116099584 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh? < 1116099586 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh. < 1116099591 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1116099608 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was there any combination? < 1116099608 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ctrl + break or ctrl + c < 1116099617 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1116099618 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1116099640 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ctrl+c tends to work less reliably < 1116100022 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got my first thue program done < 1116100022 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey::=~Does this work? < 1116100022 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :::= < 1116100030 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1116100047 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is basically the same than hello world < 1116100060 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but now i think i got how this particular program works < 1116100167 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use my interpreter :) < 1116100167 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat! < 1116100263 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1116101684 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This makes no sense. < 1116101693 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are right < 1116101720 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to write a crc32 calculator in ORK to get a feeling on how easy it's to do bit-fiddling in. < 1116101765 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_Oh._ < 1116101781 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So "I am to loop" is an implicit keyword, not a call to function 'loop'? < 1116101792 0 :Xin_!~multiplex@adsl-18-69-19.sdf.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1116101796 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1116102090 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I realize the issue with putting a constant in an argument ... < 1116102097 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll add that to my todo list. < 1116102122 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you can integerize something by modulo-ing it with a very high number. < 1116102138 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot to make a floor operation 8-D < 1116102256 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or you could add a floor to libork *shrugs* < 1116102390 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, so modulo is the integer operation and not a fmod()-like thing? < 1116102406 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, at least http://gehennom.org/~fis/crc.ork now builds _something_ in lookup table. It's probably not correct, though. < 1116102462 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My next iteration will add: 1) Proper handling of constants, 2) Bitwise operators, 3) A floor operator. < 1116102469 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since these are what "the people" seem to need ;) < 1116102548 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wahh. Did I write my logician class for no reason if there's going to be a built-in bitwise operation class? :p < 1116102571 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, never mind 8-D < 1116102584 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If your logician works, maybe it will become the first internal class written in real ORK ;) < 1116102613 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I guess it does work, but it only calculates xor for now, since that's the only thing I needed. < 1116102631 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahh ^_^ < 1116102635 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also added a convenience method to do "&1" and get an easy way to branch on it. < 1116102637 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't access the file :( < 1116102642 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A logician has a helper which is a mathematician. < 1116102650 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's right! < 1116102657 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4) User-defined classes need to be able to "say" < 1116102677 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd be nice. Currently you need to do "If Frege's helper says it's equal" < 1116102711 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll implement 1, 3 and 4 some time tonight. < 1116102713 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what's the problem with that web server. Someone said it works with a 'www.' prefix. Strange. < 1116102745 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup, works with www. < 1116102768 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like you need to fenagle your DNS. < 1116102774 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes off, to come back later. < 1116103117 0 :Kmkr!~Not@wire74.adsl.netsonic.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1116103128 0 :Kmkr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you need to crash win xp? < 1116103134 0 :Kmkr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-change user for a while < 1116103171 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :backoriffice? < 1116103267 0 :Kmkr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that? < 1116104220 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1116104225 0 :Kmkr!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1116104403 0 :Keymaker!~Not@wire74.adsl.netsonic.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1116104411 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ab::=~I can do loop! < 1116104411 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c::=abc < 1116104411 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :::= < 1116104415 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :abc < 1116104788 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i also understand now how to make finite loops < 1116104788 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :l::=~This line will be printed five times. < 1116104789 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :::= < 1116104790 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lllll < 1116104811 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thue is cool language :) < 1116104865 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah :) < 1116104886 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now for the 99bob < 1116104907 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you can count with it with not much effort) < 1116104908 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) laurent has done it already < 1116104919 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not skilled enough < 1116104940 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lvogel.free.fr/ < 1116104948 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he has cool stuff on his site < 1116104951 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess replacing 9->8, 8->7, etc. can make it count down < 1116104969 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with some marker or whatever) < 1116105004 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, yeah, that's where I got lament's link from < 1116105014 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1116105079 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unary arithmetic is easiest. You just need a long string of 'x's. < 1116105085 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I've used in most of my sed programs. < 1116105125 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1116105141 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although my fibonacci calculator used decimal numbers and had a decimal addition part. < 1116105430 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gtg, bye < 1116105445 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1116105483 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, should I bring out my laptop and work on the Kipple interpreter or ORK 0.8 .... < 1116105488 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or should I do more yard work .... < 1116105507 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kipple interpreter :) < 1116105532 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y'know, that yard work does sound mighty appealing. < 1116105534 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let the nature take care of that yard ;) < 1116105540 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1116105549 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right now we're killing everything. < 1116105559 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1116105588 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly, I HAVE to do yard work, where as I don't HAVE to do the Kipple interpreter, so see you in 30 min or so >_O < 1116105604 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) ok < 1116106005 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a thue interpreter somewhere? < 1116106018 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1116106032 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try that laurent's site < 1116106036 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(link above) < 1116106379 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmnn. < 1116106395 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried thue.c, but I'm not sure it works correctly. < 1116106422 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure your program is correct? ;) < 1116106471 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but I'm running this in the debugging mode and it does: < 1116106475 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AaB!gcgcDZ < 1116106475 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AaB!g!BcDZ < 1116106484 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ummmm < 1116106490 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what laurent's site < 1116106491 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where the only "cg" production is "cg::=gc" < 1116106492 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's MY site!!!! < 1116106504 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: use my site < 1116106518 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://z3.ca/~lament/thue.html < 1116106538 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that it seems down < 1116106543 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::= < 1116106556 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but there was that waybackmachine link in the channel log) < 1116106904 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mm. Well, that javascript interpreter did do what I was expecting it to. < 1116107574 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go javascript! < 1116109307 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thue is so neat.. < 1116109815 0 :GregorR-L!~GregorR-L@c-24-21-138-66.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1116109820 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1116110494 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hoi < 1116110497 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Constants working now :) < 1116110514 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I also covered a bug that would allow you to say something like: < 1116110521 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My value is 5 * 5. < 1116110524 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be bad! < 1116110587 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1116111165 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, to make classes able to say things. < 1116111166 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1116111414 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tada < 1116111448 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1116111667 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How's the syntax like? 'Foo can say ..'? < 1116111682 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A {class} can say {variable}." < 1116111685 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then "I am to say {variable} < 1116111686 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1116111690 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I am not to say {variable} < 1116111806 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'k. Hmnnn.. then there was some strangeness in the naming. Seems I can't use multi-word method names. :/ They work correctly in invocations ("lookup table is to print out the table" => "... print_out_the_table()") but not in function declarations, which uses only 'print' as the name and (possibly) assumes the rest to be a parameter specifier or something. < 1116111832 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a horrible problem, though. < 1116111833 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I'm well aware. < 1116111837 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a problem of English grammar. < 1116111841 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How are you supposed to parse: < 1116111856 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"My object is to mercilessly devour Bob." < 1116111877 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The parser would have to actually know the difference between adjectives, verbs and nouns. < 1116111883 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm not willing to go there ;) < 1116111890 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So methods need to have one word names :P < 1116111949 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you could try to find the longest or shortest matching method name. But I guess it's not necessary. < 1116111968 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the sake of my sanity, I'm leaving it as it is for the moment ;) < 1116111989 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm too tired to do anything ork-ish today (01am and I actually need to wake up tomorrow), but I'll convert my logician to use that funky new 'say' system when I have time. < 1116112033 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heheh < 1116112038 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't implement a logician class ;) < 1116112040 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just for you ;) < 1116112044 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I did implement floor. < 1116112090 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Yay." < 1116112098 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For not implementing the logician. :p < 1116112153 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.befunge.org/fyb/ork/ < 0.8 is out < 1116113124 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's my first real thue program: < 1116113125 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://koti.mbnet.fi/yiap/thue/digitalr.t < 1116113145 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it calculates the digital root < 1116113157 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yeah, i know, it's my traditional program..) < 1116113179 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but i like digital root :)) < 1116113207 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still not in 2L though ;) < 1116113220 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1116113225 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet :) < 1116113230 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope i can try it sometime < 1116113237 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :won't promise anything < 1116113336 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyways.. i'll go < 1116113342 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye :P < 1116113343 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i start to be sleepy < 1116113345 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye :) < 1116113348 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Freedom!" < 1116113351 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fibonacci is my traditional program, usually closely followed by a befunge interpreter. < 1116113415 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fibonacci was my first ORK program. < 1116113419 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, after Hello World *shrugs* < 1116115475 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1116115509 0 :GregorR-L!~GregorR-L@c-24-21-138-66.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1116122498 0 :wooby!~alan@64.142.120.17 JOIN :#esoteric < 1116122504 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1116123010 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1116123908 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, hello < 1116123909 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree < 1116124560 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1116124611 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :working on a BF compiler of sorts if anyone wants to check it out < 1116124856 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bf is the target heh < 1116124862 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://alan.dipert.org/bfgen.php, http://alan.dipert.org/bfgen.php.txt < 1116124870 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the source? < 1116124955 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1116124961 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is your source language turing-complete? < 1116124969 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it easier to use than brainfuck? < 1116125014 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it doesn't do enough yet to really qualify as its own real language < 1116125032 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i hope for it to eventually be basic-like, so yes it should be turing complete (mind memory restrictions) < 1116125094 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1116125098 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you aware of calamari's work? < 1116125121 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the basic compiler < 1116125130 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not < 1116125153 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1116125156 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should talk to him < 1116125162 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he comes here often i think < 1116125176 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno where his site is, but he made a basic 2 bf compiler < 1116125184 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's he working on? < 1116125188 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh awesome, that's right up my alley < 1116125224 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's working on a c compiler < 1116125229 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if actively or not < 1116125234 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(c 2 bf) < 1116125253 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1116125276 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i've seen a perl BF macro script... converts a sort of asm to BF < 1116125291 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a real compiler would be sweet :) < 1116125341 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1116125421 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what are your interests? < 1116125615 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sex < 1116125630 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dig it < 1116125642 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :music < 1116128393 0 :tokigun!tokigun@sparcs.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1116128401 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello tokigun < 1116128422 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello :) < 1116128549 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's new < 1116128965 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello world < 1116129021 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.animalsontheunderground.com/ < 1116129085 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's.. something < 1116129141 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha cool < 1116129316 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh.. ioccc deadline is coming, and i need an inspiration :( < 1116129348 0 :calamari!~calamari@dialup-4.240.243.77.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1116129362 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello calamari < 1116129369 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi wooby < 1116129382 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's it going? < 1116129386 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament was telling me about some of your work with basic->bf and c->bf < 1116129407 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah? < 1116129414 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i'm really interested in that < 1116129432 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was wondering if you had any software completed? < 1116129446 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :today i hacked out a proof of concept thing in PHP that does some lame stuff < 1116129452 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for bfbasic? sure < 1116129478 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1116129480 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the c compiler, though. I started it and realized I didn't have sufficient clue to complete it properly (yet) < 1116129496 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it would be a tough one < 1116129562 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a friend who's done a bf environment in vhdl... runs on an fpga < 1116129571 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be cool to write neat stuff that runs on it < 1116129575 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah! < 1116129592 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sourceforge.net/cvs/?group_id=59653 < 1116129596 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also wandered across a hardware bf machine design on some website < 1116129603 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can get the latest cvs version of bfbasic from there < 1116129644 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :last time it was worked on was spring break < 1116129699 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll have a stab at it < 1116129723 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's written in Java, so hopefully it won't be too big a deal to get it to compile < 1116129742 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's perfect, i know java best < 1116129747 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have any problems: jeff at kidsquid dot com < 1116129750 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :much to my own detriment lol < 1116129758 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, I like Java :) < 1116129803 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :feels like basic used to for me.. able to just get things done without too much hassle < 1116129872 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i feel the same way < 1116129893 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might also check out bfasm... it's a little dated now (bfbasic has kinda shown it up with the backend) .. http://lilly.csoft.net/~jeffryj/compilers/bfasm/bfasm.html < 1116129988 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll be using bfasm, or a rewritten version of it when I write the c compiler < 1116130009 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way I can compile c to asm and assemble it in a separate step < 1116130043 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1116130066 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I knew the technicals of gcc better, I'd probably be able to write a backend for it and call it done < 1116130086 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, well that's the ultimate solution < 1116130092 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a c->bf toolchain < 1116130105 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it'd be gcc -> bfasm -> bf < 1116130106 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but also would be ridiculously complicated heh < 1116130202 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno.. I think it wouldn't be too bad given decent documentation < 1116130228 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyhow.. :) < 1116130242 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you created any esolangs? < 1116130246 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this program is awesome < 1116130255 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really just tinkered with Bf on and off < 1116130259 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :started off with a java interpreter < 1116130264 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then got to thinking about a compiler < 1116130272 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go for it! < 1116130292 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.neologic.net/ad/programs/Brainfuck.java < 1116130316 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's the fruit of today's efforts: http://alan.dipert.org/bfgen.php < 1116130318 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe Malbolge to bf? or bf to Malbolge? < 1116130335 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see also http://alan.dipert.org/bfgen.php.txt < 1116130501 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1116130520 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do realize once you start down this path you may never be sane again? :) < 1116130529 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol yes < 1116130540 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't understand my fascination... just goin with it :) < 1116130576 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it started to get bad when i was writing CGI pages in BF just because i could lol < 1116130600 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah.. you've written a string -> bf generator? < 1116130710 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is something I've been pretty interested in as well (optimal bf code to reproduce a certain string). wrote a genetic bf text generator, but it's from scratch, so it's probably way off from real genetic programming < 1116130720 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1116130728 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jeez i can't remember the problem < 1116130736 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but theres this famous problem of generating the most output from the least code < 1116130753 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+[.] < 1116130763 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "busy bee" problem or something? anyways i've put some thought into how to best compress strings and large numbers < 1116130776 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok < 1116130779 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :turing machine busy beaver < 1116130794 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given a fixed finite number of symbols and states, select those Turing machine programs which eventually halt when run with a blank tape. Among these programs find the maximum number of non-blank symbols left on the tape when they halt. < 1116130804 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, hadn't considered compression.. that's a good idea < 1116130821 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :goes along with the problem of storing large numbers in BF cells with minimal code < 1116130837 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i came across a page that had a bunch of different appraoches, the most efficient being solutions that used exponents < 1116130845 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wrote one in php that spit out multiplications ops < 1116130982 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, this bfbasic program is great... very comprensive! < 1116130991 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1116131479 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you in school? < 1116131494 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, you? < 1116131510 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :attending the University of Arizona < 1116131534 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :went to Rochester Institute of Technology for a time, now on a sort of hiatus < 1116131641 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"reboot" < 1116131717 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could say my esoteric language fascination led me to the army... where i learned arabic heh < 1116131762 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, neat < 1116131831 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, i really do need to come up with my own esoteric language now that you mention it < 1116131927 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been trying to figure out what the Fractal language (Star Trek) should be like < 1116131951 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no breakthroughs yet :) < 1116131995 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha, can't recall it < 1116132000 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's from the original series? < 1116132149 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :next generation.. ever once in a while Data will use a fractal program.. in one movie he locks the borg out with a "fractal encryption code" whatever that is :) < 1116132207 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are never any details, but I take it to be highly difficult to program in and somewhat powerful in its abilities < 1116132385 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1116132411 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, i saw the episode a few weeks ago where data spits out his specifications < 1116132433 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a sorry 6 tflops! < 1116132941 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, does bfbasic handle negatives? < 1116137818 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"BitchX: it's all day strong, all day long" < 1116139117 0 :cmeme!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection reset by peer < 1116139166 0 :cmeme!~cmeme@216.184.11.2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1116141972 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(wooby): not really.. doesn't handle floating point either < 1116141974 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1116143999 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1116144000 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1116145155 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I have an excellent story. < 1116145158 0 :Keymaker!~Not@wire74.adsl.netsonic.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1116145168 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will repeat this since Keymaker just joined ;) < 1116145170 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I have an excellent story. < 1116145177 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just out with some friends ... < 1116145184 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And we were parked in a parking lot. < 1116145188 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :While somebody was in a store. < 1116145197 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rest of us were watching this guy in his apartment. < 1116145206 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Since his window was open, and so were his drapes) < 1116145213 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He was walking around in his underwear. < 1116145217 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then he removed his underwear. < 1116145230 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then he sat down at his computer, and (we can only presume) began to masturbate to porn. < 1116145245 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :After a discussion over what we should do to freak him out, we decided to scream "Jesus" at him. < 1116145248 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And so we did. < 1116145255 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He stood up, quite freaked out. < 1116145261 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And we laughed and laughed and laughed. < 1116145264 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And left, of course) < 1116145591 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1116145685 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Teaches him a good lesson in closing his window that is OVER A PUBLICLY ACCESSABLE, OPEN 24-HRS PARKING LOT < 1116145699 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1116145700 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1116145767 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that is the story of why I didn't finish the Kipple interpreter today :-P < 1116145771 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Off to sleep with me. < 1116145772 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye < 1116145774 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1116145775 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1116150576 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Freedom!" < 1116151189 0 :wooby_!~alan@64.142.120.17 JOIN :#esoteric < 1116152257 0 :wooby_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"[BX] Size DOES matter" < 1116162922 0 :kipple!~kipple@163.80-202-100.nextgentel.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1116164368 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I've been trying to figure out what the Fractal language (Star Trek) should be like < 1116164382 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/infinity.html <- pretty much like that I think < 1116183201 0 :Keymaker!~nobody@wire74.adsl.netsonic.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1116183219 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this new opera is really cool < 1116183233 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i must get the version 8 to linux as well < 1116183266 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, must go. < 1116183268 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1116183270 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1116185707 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1116185709 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1116190216 0 :wooby!~alan@64.142.120.17 JOIN :#esoteric < 1116206722 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's quiet today. < 1116206731 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :..............................too quiet 8-O < 1116210827 0 :GregorR-L!~GregorR-L@c-24-21-138-66.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1116211006 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1116218350 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hio < 1116219445 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1116223053 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Get MacIrssi - http://www.g1m0.se/macirssi/" < 1116230032 0 :lament!~lament@S010600110999ad06.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1116230399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1116230400 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1116243275 0 :tokigun!tokigun@sparcs.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1116244599 0 :ChanServ!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Shutting Down < 1116244622 0 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. JOIN :#esoteric < 1116244622 0 :irc.freenode.net!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :+o ChanServ < 1116244753 0 :kipple!~kipple@163.80-202-100.nextgentel.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1116244960 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1116246434 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1116246827 0 :Xin_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1116256950 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1116263520 0 :Keymaker!~a@wire74.adsl.netsonic.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1116263540 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmh.. this new opera is a dreambrowser.. < 1116263578 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it? < 1116263586 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, so instead of the Internet it browses dreams? < 1116263611 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's right < 1116263612 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have a campus license here, I could install it here, but haven't felt the need yet. < 1116263728 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1116263750 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first time i'm trying these new skins that can be downloaded < 1116263754 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks nice < 1116265401 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :msbbhl (must study.. be back (hopefully) later) < 1116265409 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1116268010 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1116272557 0 :Keymaker!~Not@wire74.adsl.netsonic.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1116273157 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grgh < 1116273226 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's crackin < 1116273249 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1116274030 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"brb" < 1116274075 0 :wooby!~wooby@66.57.219.125 JOIN :#esoteric < 1116276425 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grhhh thue drives me mad :) < 1116276438 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not angry, but insane) < 1116276483 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just read about it the other day, never messed with it < 1116276499 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah these esoteric languages are a trip < 1116276506 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah :) < 1116276547 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just wrote a grammar for the language: "a^m b^n c^(m+n)". Looking at old exams here, 'introduction to theoretical computer science' exam tomorrow. "S -> aSc | E", "E -> bEc | _". Then something just snapped and I wrote a mostly thue-compatible (small notational differences) non-context-free version at http://www.gehennom.org/~fis/grammar.txt which manages to be about gazillion times more complicated than necessary. < 1116276547 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have yet to come up with my own < 1116276589 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems interesting fizzie < 1116276598 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although i have no idea what it does) < 1116276758 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just constructs all strings that have n 'a':s, m 'b':s and (m+n) 'c':s. It's not really thue-friendly, though. < 1116276775 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just interesting how over-complicated that thing can be. < 1116276971 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :push @{$a}, [$r, $pk, [$ss, $start-1, $i, $si], [$es, $end-1, $i+$start, $ei]] if($#{$p} == 1 && $p->[0] eq $ss && $p->[1] eq $es); < 1116276974 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl is pretty. < 1116276993 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe my variable naming is suboptimal. < 1116277157 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh.. < 1116277161 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION braindies < 1116277170 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, better get some rest < 1116277179 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and i got the small thue prog done i was working on < 1116277189 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(just exercise.) < 1116277193 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nite < 1116277200 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Freedom!" < 1116277231 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i say, go for supoptimal variable naming < 1116277231 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.gehennom.org/~fis/a_simple_loop.txt :) (Sorry for the non-esoteristicnessity.) < 1116277235 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're in #esoteric after all! < 1116277366 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I should do something with ORK. Maybe after the exams tomorrow. < 1116284565 0 :pgimeno!pgimeno@124.Red-80-59-211.pooles.rima-tde.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1116284617 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hooray, power outage season is here! how I was missing it! < 1116287806 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"rebooting" < 1116288094 0 :pgimeno!pgimeno@124.Red-80-59-211.pooles.rima-tde.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1116291639 0 :cmeme!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection reset by peer < 1116291683 0 :cmeme!~cmeme@216.184.11.2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1116305863 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1116312693 0 :GregorR-L!~GregorR-L@c-24-21-138-66.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1116312701 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just compiled 2LI for DOS, 16-bit 8-D < 1116316799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1116316800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1116324182 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1116327552 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1116327660 0 :pgimeno!pgimeno@124.Red-80-59-211.pooles.rima-tde.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1116327670 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did I mention it's power outage season? < 1116335601 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1116335894 0 :pgimeno!pgimeno@124.Red-80-59-211.pooles.rima-tde.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1116335902 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1116348282 0 :puzzlet!~puzzlet@61.247.148.38 JOIN :#esoteric < 1116359273 0 :Keymaker!~Not@wire74.adsl.netsonic.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1116359291 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, good ol' power outage season! < 1116359313 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :look, here they come again! power off!!!!11 YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! < 1116359359 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyways, don't take me seriously.. :) hopefully they'll end sometime soon pgimeno < 1116359532 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. the washing machine sounds funny < 1116359698 0 :cmeme!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1116359823 0 :cmeme!~cmeme@216.184.11.2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1116359841 0 :cmeme!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1116359883 0 :cmeme!~cmeme@216.184.11.2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1116360215 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Freedom!" < 1116366397 0 :kipple!~kipple@163.80-202-100.nextgentel.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1116370457 0 :Flax!Flax@82.133.100.198 JOIN :#esoteric < 1116371701 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Ork is now featured at www.99-bottles-of-beer.net :) < 1116371958 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hoopla 8-D < 1116372102 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it lacks 2L... ;) < 1116372143 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*brain explodes* < 1116372145 0 :Flax!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) < 1116372152 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I could do it *shrugs* < 1116372168 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I won't ... < 1116372171 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I could :-P < 1116372239 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at some time I'll write that JS or Python ORK interpreter... < 1116372321 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll believe it when I see it ;) < 1116372334 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No offense to your pythonin' or Javascriptin' abilities of course. < 1116372361 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1116372382 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've writing a symbolic derivative calculator in JS already < 1116372395 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does ORK have any implementation? < 1116372405 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's a challenge: a version of 99-bottles-of-beer written in Brainfuck or some equally terse language, in which the "singer" gets progressively more drunk. Also, "pass it around" becomes "drink it all down" < 1116372407 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only a compiler. < 1116372437 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the compiler is nice. < 1116372439 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more drunk? < 1116372449 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slurs words, t->sh etc. < 1116372460 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1116372478 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it would end at around 85 by just going ei...bo-bee...*slam* < 1116372491 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :World of Warcraft has a function like that < 1116372502 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1116372505 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So do many MUDs. < 1116372530 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ew MUDS < 1116372530 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get slurred words, but also blurred vision < 1116372542 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice :-P < 1116372549 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: I'll ignore that comment ;) < 1116382375 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1116403199 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1116403200 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1116408631 0 :kipple!~kipple@163.80-202-100.nextgentel.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1116427998 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1116443053 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1116443081 0 :calamari!~calamari@dialup-4.240.247.166.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1116445218 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1116445251 0 :wooby!~wooby@66.57.219.125 JOIN :#esoteric < 1116447164 0 :Keymaker!~Not@wire74.adsl.netsonic.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1116447189 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hllo < 1116447691 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grhh.. something's wrong with this connection today.. i'd rather have one of those power outages than this, afterall i could look at the screen in candle light just as easily.. < 1116447709 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1116447732 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1116447768 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello, btw.. :) < 1116447811 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. hi! < 1116447822 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been quiet here lately < 1116447826 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1116447837 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been annoyingly busy < 1116447845 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and will be the next week and bit more) < 1116447855 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then i can spend here more time.. i hope.. < 1116447903 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've started putting together an esoteric web page < 1116447910 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's cool! < 1116447910 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not much stuff yet < 1116447915 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1116447918 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My exam period is over! < 1116447923 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1116447925 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good for you < 1116447933 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine is about to start next week.. < 1116447935 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now if I could just get rid of tiredness.. < 1116447942 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sleep? < 1116447958 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I've been trying. < 1116447959 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, you might try that < 1116447964 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1116447988 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.. try to watch tv. everything's so (#/)(#321! boring there thesedays < 1116448001 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm off to see Lost in 10 mins... < 1116448016 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok (whatever it is) < 1116448019 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : (#/)(#321! - is that a new esolang? < 1116448035 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be < 1116448057 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was also going to teach/promote Befunge to my girlfriend, so that she'd appreciate esolangs more. I'm currently trying to decide if that's a good idea or not. < 1116448075 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ummm < 1116448081 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds risky... :) < 1116448097 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1116448121 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: you wish.. just random keys < 1116448131 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I recall her mentioning she liked Scheme more than C, so... < 1116448169 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, maybe she's lambda-oriented < 1116448170 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1116448184 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlambda you mean < 1116448191 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1116448195 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant lambda calculus in general < 1116448199 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1116448205 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not my cup of tea < 1116448207 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlambda may fit well < 1116448218 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd like to learn unlambda sometime < 1116448221 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or jot < 1116448223 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Befunge isn't very functional, though. But I don't speak unlambda at all myself. < 1116448226 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it's not my cup of tea either < 1116448230 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too, Keymaker < 1116448246 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's too strange :} < 1116448254 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not very comfortable with Scheme, I use it as any other imperative language < 1116448261 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never tried that < 1116448267 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't like its look < 1116448271 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that the Lisp-like lang? < 1116448275 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1116448282 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've tried Lisp < 1116448283 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most people do call it a lisp dialect. < 1116448288 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1116448295 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a lot cleaner than common lisp, though. < 1116448307 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agree < 1116448310 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lisp is extremely cool, but I wouldn't use it normally < 1116448316 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I needed it to write GIMP scripts, that's why I learned it < 1116448374 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our "introduction to programming" course I went to a ~year ago has traditionally used Scheme. (Although they moved to Java now.) < 1116448391 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek < 1116448431 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they'll be teaching ork when there's a virtual machine compiler ready < 1116448449 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We've been quite unhappy about the switch, actually. Java courses tend to teach Java, not programming. < 1116448458 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's an old joke which is something like: "We've stolen the Lisp source code to [insert some famous software], and to prove it we will give you the last page". < 1116448466 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, too idiosyncratic < 1116448471 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then they give you a page full of )))))))))))))))))) < 1116448479 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehehehe < 1116448490 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, Derive (the math package) is written in Lisp < 1116448515 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I've had more than 14 consecutive )s, but I haven't written anything very big in scheme. A corewars interpreter/environment/thing once. < 1116448515 0 :GregorR-L!~GregorR-L@host-202-251.pubnet.pdx.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1116448518 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as is Maxima (the math package) < 1116448521 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi GregorR < 1116448524 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi GregorR-L < 1116448527 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hoi < 1116448561 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor needs to be entertained for an hour of free time in the middle of his day :-P < 1116448568 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :corewars interpreter? uhm, too big a prog for me to write in that thing, I'm no so masochists < 1116448583 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-s < 1116448590 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is gone to watch TV < 1116448593 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why I'm using malbolge :) < 1116448597 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi all < 1116448602 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi lament < 1116448634 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1116448769 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what's boring? < 1116448771 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it was for the course, not a voluntary thing. The list of possible topics mostly included various small games, corewars sounded most interesting of them. (Compared to a spreadsheet application or graph algorithm visualization.) < 1116448772 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this CS lab is boring. < 1116448785 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides, the "gui toolkit" (if you can call it that) we were supposed to use was... horrible. < 1116448817 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cs.hut.fi/Studies/T-93.210/xdraw-doc/ < 1116448826 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can draw lines and fill rectangles, and that's about it. < 1116448844 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A "do your own widgets" thing. < 1116448908 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1116448942 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only marginally better than plain DOS < 1116448998 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they wanted all applications to have different-looking buttons, otherwise inspecting the results would've been too boring. < 1116449102 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sooooooooo close to a working Kipple interpreter :-P < 1116449102 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On line 585 < 1116449104 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's only an excuse if the only available GUI was Athena widgets < 1116449127 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/GUI/widget set/ < 1116449176 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: on line 585 what? < 1116449193 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :w000000000000000000000t! < 1116449202 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :keep working gregorr! < 1116449208 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds impressive < 1116449232 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(on a sidenote, i was away for a while because i was eating evening-breakfast) < 1116449370 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, xdraw is admittedly quite portable... although a significant minority (if not majority) of the submitted programs had issues with text placement on the IRIX boxen the demo sessions were on. (Default fonts on those things are _huge_.) < 1116449398 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not many had sophisticated layout managers to cope with different font sizes. :p < 1116449412 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of OrKipple < 1116449412 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It pushes now :P < 1116449459 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good! < 1116449483 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: what's the status of arrays in Ork? < 1116449498 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :inexistent? < 1116449506 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :complete? < 1116449525 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what about non-string/number-arrays? < 1116449558 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an OOL needs O arrays < 1116449567 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OOL? < 1116449572 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :object-oriented language < 1116449577 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1116449773 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, and generics/templates. Then someone can implement rest of the collection classes in ORK. "There is such a thing as a hashmap of K, V. A hashmap of K, V has a key which is a K. --- I have a hashmap of number, string called map." < 1116449941 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, hi. < 1116449954 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For other arrays you'd need to use something like linear linked lists. < 1116449960 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the moment *shrugs* < 1116449993 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And templates would just be a matter of writing them - anybody want to volunteer? < 1116450045 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, linked lists aren't that bad. < 1116450103 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But a generic 'void *'-style type could help. It's a bit silly to have a separate linked list class for oranges and apples. < 1116450114 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or the templates. :p < 1116450169 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably won't have time to consider volunteering or anything before next week, though. < 1116450720 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyways. good luck with the kipple interpreter gergor < 1116450724 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*grrog < 1116450728 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*gregorr < 1116450739 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too much grog? < 1116450744 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1116450804 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rhh.. me start to be reading-ready. me goes to bed to read something. < 1116450866 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION says: "Goodnite! Aaarrrgh." < 1116450870 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Freedom!" < 1116450887 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arrr. < 1116451002 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any python expert around? < 1116451067 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-lilo/Wallops- Hi all. Just a reminder. We're still looking for help with coding the next generation replacement for services. The project is at its very early stages; have spec, need coder help. < 1116451125 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dunnage.blogspot.com/2005/05/reprise-seeking-volunteer-coding-help.html < 1116451158 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sort of expert < 1116451172 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-lilo/Wallops- Right now, I think the python help would be the priority. If you're interested in talking about it, feel free to message me. Thanks. < 1116451183 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, not that kind of expert :) < 1116451191 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1116451202 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm too new to Python < 1116451631 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: great news about the interpreter! can't wait :) < 1116451635 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1116457918 0 :GregorR-L!~GregorR-L@host-225-104.dhcp.pdx.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1116458022 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1116458042 0 :GregorR-L!~GregorR-L@host-225-104.dhcp.pdx.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1116458058 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I have everything working except input, output, @ and the string preprocessor :-P < 1116458076 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the preprocessor is optional < 1116458079 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good work! < 1116458082 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :w00t! < 1116458093 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tosses the preprocessor out the window < 1116458135 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, kipple, quick question, if the input was "Hello World!" the ! would pop first, right? < 1116458209 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if you produced output by pushing H-e-l-l-o, it would output "olleH", yes? < 1116458212 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1116458219 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes < 1116458224 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okiday. < 1116458459 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, the @ stack will probably be gone in the next version... :D < 1116458586 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'll help :-P < 1116458596 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Making wussy users use atoi is infinitely better anyway. < 1116458605 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1116458646 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't think you'll want to implement the next version in ORK ;) < 1116458671 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has the ability to load code modules < 1116458705 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm < 1116458711 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IE from seperate files? < 1116458721 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. or inline < 1116458745 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or kipple files, java classes or C libraries < 1116458809 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1116458819 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both Java and C eh? < 1116458833 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or anything else that can produce a .so or .dll < 1116458848 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you'd need gcj? < 1116458855 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, no < 1116458858 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean? < 1116458864 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To turn java into a .so < 1116458879 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or would it actually read .class files? < 1116458884 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1116458889 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ouch. < 1116458892 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good luck with that >_> < 1116458892 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is written in java, so that is trivial < 1116458903 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OOOOOOOOOOOOOH < 1116458905 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*whew* < 1116458909 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Line 1153 btw :-P < 1116458918 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ai < 1116458939 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you have to add more features to ORK to make it? < 1116458945 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope < 1116458953 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No cheating for me ;) < 1116458960 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's pretty final now? < 1116458966 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very nearly. < 1116458970 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hopefully I just have to get o working. < 1116459069 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1161 lines, and maybe working now 8-D < 1116459200 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!! < 1116459202 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT WORKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! < 1116459204 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA < 1116459205 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay! < 1116459209 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*dies* < 1116459236 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whee < 1116459255 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~praise GregorR-L < 1116459266 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :R.I.P. < 1116459443 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1116459455 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently either i or o isn't quite working properly :'( < 1116459462 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, it must be i. < 1116459465 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since o works fine. < 1116459670 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, it's loops :-P < 1116460176 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YESSSSSSSS! < 1116460179 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AHAHAHAAHHAAHAHAHAHAHA again < 1116460183 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now it really works ;) < 1116460208 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No @ yet >_< < 1116460211 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ = annoying :-P < 1116460226 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1116460270 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you push ASCII 113 onto @, does it pop 1-1-3 or 3-1-1? < 1116460279 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1116460284 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1116460286 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me see < 1116460300 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it pops 3-1-1 < 1116460323 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it pushes 1-1-3, so yes, you're right < 1116460329 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okiday < 1116460336 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*brain melts* < 1116460384 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the most practial way to pop. Otherwise you would have to reverse it before output < 1116460604 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right < 1116460672 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blah < 1116460688 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Fibonacci'r isn't working. < 1116460702 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or more correctly, my interpreter isn't working for the Fibonacci'r. < 1116460720 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it the @? < 1116460754 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so. < 1116460758 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got that working (sort of) < 1116460769 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1116460777 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that works fine. < 1116460893 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn, what's going wrong >_O < 1116461013 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fact that the quine doesn't quite work for me other isn't promising :-P < 1116461031 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, which ones do work? < 1116461083 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello World, cat :-P < 1116461108 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could it be nested loops? < 1116461117 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possible. < 1116461138 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION checks his loop push-pop-ing code < 1116461330 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That all seems fine < 1116461513 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D'OH < 1116461521 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? clears it if the top element is 0, yes? < 1116461526 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1116461534 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made it just clear X-D < 1116461553 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1116461685 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YAY! Now it segfaults 8-D < 1116461744 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it does more now :-P < 1116461759 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :000 001 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 < this is the fibonacci sequence, right? ;) < 1116461777 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm < 1116461780 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost :) < 1116461807 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's MY Fibonacci sequence :-P < 1116461821 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine is even better < 1116461826 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my fibonacci sequence goes like this: < 1116461829 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 1 < 1116461831 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then it stops < 1116461839 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice < 1116462088 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1116462091 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the purpose of a+0 < 1116462095 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't that just do nothing? < 1116462109 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it duplicates the top value on the stack < 1116462116 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very useful! < 1116462131 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh < 1116462137 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything I make is wrong! < 1116462138 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1116462155 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you messed up the + operator now? < 1116462224 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had ;-P < 1116462243 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if you do a+b, it WILL pop b, right? < 1116462290 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1116462299 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*whew* :-P < 1116462336 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So tb+a will pop a three times, right? < 1116462352 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1116462366 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe this will help: < 1116462367 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :public void execute() throws StackException { < 1116462367 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : switch(operator) { < 1116462367 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : case '<': operand1.push(operand2.pop()); < 1116462367 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : break; < 1116462367 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : case '>': operand2.push(operand1.pop()); < 1116462368 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : break; < 1116462370 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : case '-': operand1.push(operand1.peek() - operand2.pop()); < 1116462372 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : break; < 1116462374 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : case '+': operand1.push(operand1.peek() + operand2.pop()); < 1116462376 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : break; < 1116462378 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : case '?': if (operand1.peek()==0) operand1.clear(); < 1116462380 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : break; < 1116462382 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : case '(': jump = operand2.empty();//!continueLoop(); < 1116462384 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : break; < 1116462386 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : case ')': jump = !loopOperator.operand2.empty(); < 1116462389 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : break; < 1116462391 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : } < 1116462392 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : } < 1116462394 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(from the interpreter) < 1116462395 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who reads code before trying to reimplement it *shrugs* < 1116462420 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you read the spec, you wouldn't need to ;) < 1116462469 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did, I just didn't quite get it right 8-D < 1116462498 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dern, this ought to work >_> < 1116462501 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me know if the spec is unclear on some points < 1116462538 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I'm just dumb on some points 8-D < 1116462546 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good ;) < 1116462739 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1116462745 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish I knew what was going wrong :'( < 1116462964 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YAY! < 1116462969 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was the change that made it work 8-D < 1116463009 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I just need a smarter atoi :-P < 1116463150 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BING 8-D < 1116463165 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :44K X-D < 1116463175 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1239 lines 8-D < 1116463178 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1116463207 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sick of the mathematician now, or what.... :D < 1116463328 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.befunge.org/fyb/ork/exa/orkipple.ork < 1116463331 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah. < 1116463331 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very < 1116463339 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that I'll fix it, since it's not broken. < 1116463357 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course not!! < 1116463387 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can't have arrays of objects? < 1116463393 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not per se. < 1116463397 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lists yes. < 1116463669 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is compiling ork-0.8 < 1116463889 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. can't get it to work < 1116463906 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to EOF at the end of your input. < 1116463923 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello world doesn't output anything < 1116463925 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is it ork-0.8 yourself you can't get to work? < 1116463928 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1116463933 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1116463940 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The non-string version I assume ;) < 1116463946 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dang! < 1116463950 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm stupid < 1116463953 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1116463958 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No string preprocessor ;) < 1116464034 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the @ stack works a bit differently, but otherwise it seems to work fine :) < 1116464044 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I know I handled it badly :-P < 1116464054 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It outputs 000001 :-P < 1116464544 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't handle !s in comments < 1116464572 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise, I ran the kipple brainfuck interpreter just fine :D < 1116465031 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, yeah, ! is the separator between kipple and input. < 1116465045 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I found that out < 1116465057 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :had some of those in comments in the BF interpreter < 1116465777 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, great work Gregor!!! < 1116473935 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pong. < 1116474968 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1116475041 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1116482524 0 :calamari!~calamari@dialup-4.240.245.40.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1116482533 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1116483370 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hoi < 1116483559 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it? goes How < 1116489599 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1116489600 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1116493510 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1116497067 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) < 1116498136 0 :calamari!~calamari@dialup-4.240.241.128.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1116501094 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1116502194 0 :kipple!~kipple@163.80-202-100.nextgentel.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1116508003 0 :Zis!~zis_by@213.184.243.10 JOIN :#esoteric < 1116508013 0 :Zis!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1116527860 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1116527860 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1116528028 0 :kipple!~kipple@163.80-202-100.nextgentel.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1116528028 0 :fizzie!~fizban@sesefras.gehennom.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1116530512 0 :Keymaker!~Not@wire74.adsl.netsonic.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1116530516 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'ello! < 1116530519 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woah < 1116530526 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you made it gregorr < 1116530537 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1116530541 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, he did < 1116530545 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really cool < 1116530565 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll need to compile it soon < 1116530574 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and start programming some kipple stuff < 1116530653 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i remember the log correct, it works perfectly.. all but text preprocessor which is basically useles < 1116530666 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i wouldn't use it (text preprocessor) < 1116530695 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the @ stack pads up to six (i think) zeroes < 1116530735 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1116530736 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise it seems to be the same < 1116530740 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1116530757 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i can always test them with the official applet in web ;) < 1116530762 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1116530770 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :be sure to not use ! in comments < 1116530776 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm? < 1116530777 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not < 1116530800 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that is the char which is used to separate source code from input data < 1116530811 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1116530816 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat example: (i>o) ! this is a text < 1116530824 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1116530904 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1116530912 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the link to gregorr's site? < 1116530922 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://eso.codu.org/ < 1116530926 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheers < 1116531446 0 :Kmkr!~Not@wire74.adsl.netsonic.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1116531470 0 :Kmkr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rrghrghhhhhhhh < 1116531477 0 :Kmkr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :net outage season is here again.. < 1116531533 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1116531549 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keymaker: are you running linux? < 1116531551 0 :lindi-!~lindi@kulho150.adsl.netsonic.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1116531578 0 :Kmkr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not currently < 1116531580 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can compile my interpreter with gcj if you don't want to use the java version < 1116531605 0 :Kmkr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried but couldn't it compiled < 1116531613 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on windows? < 1116531616 0 :Kmkr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe if you could send compiler version..? < 1116531623 0 :Kmkr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on linux < 1116531624 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it compiled fine on my debian box < 1116531644 0 :Kmkr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suck with compilers < 1116531659 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcj 3.3.5 < 1116531722 0 :Kmkr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant "..send the compiler version" < 1116531730 0 :Kmkr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't type today < 1116531737 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, you mean the binary? < 1116531744 0 :Kmkr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arg < 1116531747 0 :Kmkr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant "compiled" < 1116531749 0 :Kmkr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1116531755 0 :Kmkr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry :D lol typed it two times wrong < 1116531775 0 :Kmkr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i accidentally typed the second time wrong when i was trying to get it right :) < 1116531780 0 :Kmkr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1116531793 0 :Kmkr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, binary < 1116531819 0 :Kmkr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i accidentally wrote two times "compiler".. so, not any java compiler < 1116531856 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kmkr: why don't you just install gcj? < 1116531882 0 :Kmkr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's harder that way :) < 1116531888 0 :Kmkr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably couldn't get it working < 1116531893 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's how to compile it: gcj --main=Kipple Kipple.jar -o kipple < 1116531916 0 :Kmkr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where to get the kipple.jar? < 1116531938 0 :Kmkr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(from your site probably.. duh) < 1116531941 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iyeah < 1116531943 0 :Kmkr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1116531951 0 :Kmkr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll switch to linux in phew minutes < 1116531956 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it looks like my server just went down again >:( < 1116531988 0 :Kmkr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrgh < 1116532009 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. looks like it's only apache. hang on a sec < 1116532022 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kipple: anyways, thanks for making sure kipple runs with free software < 1116532073 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1116532187 0 :Kmkr2!~Not@wire74.adsl.netsonic.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1116532192 0 :Kmkr2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grggh < 1116532218 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :problems? < 1116532256 0 :Kmkr2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1116532259 0 :Kmkr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1116532273 0 :Kmkr2!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1116532363 0 :Kmkr3!~Not@wire74.adsl.netsonic.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1116532395 0 :Kmkr3!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :..with this internet connection.. < 1116532407 0 :Kmkr3!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyways. can you get the server up anytime soon? < 1116532429 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully in a few minutes < 1116532439 0 :Kmkr3!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'ok < 1116532472 0 :Kmkr3!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm gonna die if this connection goes the same way than it was the previous summer < 1116532472 0 :Kmkr3!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least complain < 1116532489 0 :Kmkr3!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or change the whole thing to some other < 1116533671 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh. doesn't look too good for the server < 1116535342 0 :Kmkr3!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1116538512 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*beep ... beep ... beep* < 1116538529 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*the camera fades in and the viewer can see kipple's server in a hospital bed* < 1116538539 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doc ... is (s)he gonna live? < 1116538573 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure. last time he went down he was in a coma for a week, and then made a miraculous recovery < 1116538581 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : It's too early to tell, but the cancer is severe. It's unlikely that (s)he will see his/her next birthday. < 1116538590 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darn, I was in the middle of writing your line when you said it X-D < 1116538634 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's a he, by the way < 1116538669 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll have to reinstall it < 1116538686 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe next week < 1116538899 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was unaware of the fact that servers had genders, but couldn't use the word it since that would imply that it wasn't living. < 1116538907 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which it clearly is. < 1116539212 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :computers have names, and names are usually gender specific < 1116539223 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is called slartibartfast < 1116543816 0 :andreou!~~@195.130.98.210 JOIN :#esoteric < 1116543942 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hola < 1116544282 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"~" < 1116550981 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1116550981 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1116551333 0 :kipple!~kipple@163.80-202-100.nextgentel.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1116551478 0 :fizzie!~fizban@sesefras.gehennom.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1116561755 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA < 1116561768 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION prepares mercilessly to release OBLISK 1.0.0 >:) < 1116561778 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unto an unsuspecting world) < 1116562858 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1116565968 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what what < 1116566916 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is doing the finishing touches on OBLISK ( http://oblisk.codu.org/ ) 1.0.0 < 1116566921 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what what ;) < 1116575999 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1116576000 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1116579567 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :generic installer? *mumble mumble* < 1116592708 0 :kipple!~kipple@163.80-202-100.nextgentel.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1116597207 0 :Kmkr3!~Not@wire74.adsl.netsonic.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1116597217 0 :Kmkr3!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrehrhh < 1116597220 0 :Kmkr3!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Keymaker < 1116597224 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my head feels strange < 1116597238 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda like filled with air < 1116597245 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1116597268 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, hopefully i won't collapse < 1116598390 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's this mumble-mumble-ing about OBLISK? Is that negative mumble-mumble-ing? Are you one of the hordes of nonbelievers? You know, while GNU/Linux distros vary, it's not by anywhere near as much as most people seem to imagine. < 1116598423 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1116598429 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm seems like a good idea < 1116598481 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are soooooooooooo many people with such negative opinions of it X-D < 1116598500 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to make a FreeCiv OBLISK package but they absolutely refused to ever post it (without even testing it, mind you) < 1116598500 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although you probably should write some boring documentation ;) < 1116598531 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I guess somebody else might want to make an OBLISK package at some point in the future :-P < 1116599942 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1116600171 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1116600230 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5h!7. this day sucks < 1116600248 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is so frustrating < 1116600260 0 :kipple!~kipple@163.80-202-100.nextgentel.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1116600273 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rgh. i'll go < 1116600278 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Freedom!" < 1116602120 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1116602124 0 :lindi-!~lindi@kulho150.adsl.netsonic.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1116606700 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: well, distros are the solution to library hell (currently actually known as DLL hell because it's an issue mainly with shared Windows libraries) - "generic" packages make sense only if all of the libraries (including libc) are contained in the package. < 1116607231 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the assumption is of course that I didn't realize this and compensate. < 1116607267 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Libraries are NOT contained in the package, but are checked for on first run and downloaded if necessary. They are then installed into the package, so as to not clutter the rest of the system. < 1116607299 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't say you didn't < 1116607308 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just mumbled :) < 1116607312 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heheh < 1116607372 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the time I saw it I couldn't ask < 1116615174 0 :KnX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1116616083 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1116616766 0 :KnX!~KnX@juv34-2-82-226-155-84.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1116618222 0 :KnXxl!~KnX@juv34-2-82-226-155-84.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1116619196 0 :KnX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1116625966 0 :andreou!~peace@195.130.98.215 JOIN :#esoteric < 1116626459 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"i be not." < 1116635493 0 :wooby!~alan@64.142.120.17 JOIN :#esoteric < 1116637111 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"[BX] Were you born a fat, slimy, scumbag, puke, piece of shit or did you have to work on it?" < 1116642064 0 :terranwannabe!~Brian@bur-jud-157-214.rh.uchicago.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1116642084 0 :terranwannabe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1116649247 0 :puzzlet!~puzzlet@61.247.148.38 JOIN :#esoteric < 1116649746 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) < 1116654637 0 :KnX!~KnX@juv34-2-82-226-155-84.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1116654957 0 :KnXxl!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1116662399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1116662400 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1116663476 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"rebooting" < 1116667126 0 :CXI!~Sanity@dialup-108.88.221.203.acc50-kent-syd.comindico.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1116667175 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1116667190 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1116667319 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny story, actually - I edit wikipedia and I saw an entry on 2L, and went googling to see whether it actually existed or was just someone's project < 1116667345 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the difference? < 1116667390 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, generally if it has any presence outside wikipedia it's a real topic < 1116667412 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that really depends on the people in question and what they consider a presence < 1116667433 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1116667465 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find it hard to decide sometimes... 2L looked kind of interesting so I figured it'd be better to leave it there < 1116667488 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, we've discussed about the presence of esoteric languages in there < 1116667494 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in wikipedia) < 1116667531 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are so many languages that can be described as "bf with huffman encoding, bf with a lookup table, bf with a lookup table and amusing names, bf with forking, bf with socket support, bf with a second buffer" < 1116667570 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're all for maintaining them but mainly because that's a way that they don't get lost in time; we agree that that's not the correct place < 1116667583 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's a tough choice < 1116667616 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the author of the 2L language is GregorR, but I think he's asleep right now < 1116667632 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I actually joined here because I read about it < 1116667639 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for web presence: http://eso.codu.org/ < 1116667639 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the log, I mean < 1116667643 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see < 1116667732 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.befunge.org/fyb/ork/exa/fibonacci.ork <--- haha, I like that < 1116667745 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, ORK is an amazing language < 1116667800 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after properly examined, 2L does not contribute so much as ORK to the esoteric languages world < 1116667832 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a 2D language and there are 2D languages; it's a BF variation and there are lots of BF variations < 1116667832 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and funnily enough there's no wikipedia article on ork < 1116667849 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, it's more recent and it's not finished < 1116667849 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PATH/SNUSP etc < 1116667861 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PATH/SNUSP? < 1116667872 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the canonical 2d BFs < 1116667880 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, yeah < 1116667920 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :furthermore, it attempts to be extremely minimalistic and there are more extremely minimalistic ones < 1116667932 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't know SNUSP, btw < 1116668010 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, we're making some efforts towards finding a place where esolangs can be preserved < 1116668090 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if it's any help, but wikimedia has a project called wikicities < 1116668117 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's at the very least very good news :) < 1116668158 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll visit wikicities to see if that fits our purpose < 1116668223 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could you please give a link? I'm not familiarized with how wikimedia is structured < 1116668242 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops, google helped < 1116668244 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1116668290 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry - was off eating pretzels < 1116668297 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :np < 1116668313 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a dangerous activity < 1116668319 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1116668320 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only for presidents < 1116668450 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could you give a very quick primer about the policies of wikicities, before I read everything thoroughly? is the content to be FDL-licensed? < 1116668489 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1116668512 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically it just says "it needs to be free and open - free license, freely editable, run as a community project" < 1116668556 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about everything related to esolangs fits that < 1116668558 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds perfect < 1116668579 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be so awesome to gather everything in one place < 1116668620 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, in a quick glance I see it's ad-supported < 1116668768 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nod* google ads < 1116668781 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Wikicities will never host pop-up adverts." - sounds reasonable < 1116672534 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :CXI-gonJinn < 1116672669 0 :CXI-gonJinn!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :CXI < 1116672972 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also means you can copy/paste all wikipedia's information on esolangs) < 1116673117 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about files? is it possible to host files? < 1116673131 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1116673495 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Wikis must have a large potential audience, and be likely to attract enough editors to maintain the wiki over a long period of time. Personal wikis, wikis for small groups, or individual schools are not generally permitted." < 1116673534 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all that's trying to do is discourage wikis for small clubs < 1116673543 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure we'll gather enough editors... the esolang community is not very wide < 1116673583 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure when they see it they'll say "fantastic! somewhere for all the esolang stuff on wikipedia to go!" < 1116673670 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but maintaining it is another issue < 1116673719 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrug* well they'll either say yes or no - my guess is yes < 1116677708 0 :kipple!~kipple@163.80-202-100.nextgentel.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1116678048 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. this wikicity concept looks promising < 1116682915 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's strange, actually, it's never really had any exposure < 1116682983 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose they're assuming it will just gain popularity through word of mouth < 1116683006 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly. Who's behind it? is it associated with wikipedia? < 1116683013 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1116683018 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basicaly it's just a wikimedia project < 1116683046 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(except because wikimedia is non-profit and this is an ad-supported service they rolled out another essentially identical company for it) < 1116683117 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the question is: what happens if it doesn't pay off? does it get closed down... < 1116683174 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, depends what you mean by "pay off", considering it's probably a thousandth the size of english wikipedia, keeping it running is trivial < 1116683206 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. and if it grows, it will pay off, hopefullly... < 1116683212 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nod* exactly < 1116683225 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mainly I don't even really think paying off is what it's about < 1116683231 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the big issues in wikipedia is scope < 1116683272 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are sort-of factions, one extreme is that wikipedia isn't a paper encyclopedia, and consequently we may as well try to gather *all* information < 1116683321 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the other extreme says that wikipedia shouldn't accept articles from any topics that aren't considered 'encyclopedic' < 1116683328 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/from/on/, sorry < 1116683342 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, like, no articles on schools, or towns < 1116683372 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in reality most people lie somewhere in between, but it's a tough call because most of us hate throwing away information if it looks like it might be useful < 1116683387 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. < 1116683426 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there have been some problems with people deleting esoteric programming articles already < 1116683523 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, 'problem' depends on your perspective < 1116683531 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1116683538 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually think a lot of the esolangs don't belong there < 1116683566 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I mentioned somewhere above that there are about 10 of them that are just "BF + neat feature" or "BF - neat feature" and don't actually exist at all except for their wikipedia entry < 1116683568 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I partially agree < 1116683618 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's the encyclopedia me talking < 1116683639 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "all information is sacred" me wants to put all those useless languages somewhere just in case someone is interested someday < 1116683652 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone is today < 1116683654 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not many < 1116683802 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm all for starting a wikicity. < 1116683883 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, then we could get the problem that some people use the wikipedia, and some use the city < 1116683917 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm actually for giving the alternatives in the list and see what's the general opinion < 1116683940 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean the mailing list? < 1116683943 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, in reality anything written in the wikipedia can just be copy/pasted over < 1116683945 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and vice versa < 1116683957 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but that takes a lot of work < 1116683961 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not concerned about the wikipedia vs city; once the city is up, the languages don't need to be in the wikipedia < 1116683979 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most important ones should, IMHO < 1116683987 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you're right, it'd be tough drawing a line and saying "if your language is this popular put it in wikipedia, otherwise the city" < 1116684014 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say if the language is yours, then put it in the city < 1116684031 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, yeah, that sounds like a good rule < 1116684032 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it is BF, INTERCAL or BeFunge then it can stay < 1116684034 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a few that are universally accepted, like brainfuck and intercal < 1116684037 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1116684056 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe whitespace < 1116684062 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, BeFunge too < 1116684079 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, whitespace is more like a humorous language < 1116684092 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlambda suits there better < 1116684094 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but it is one of the more known < 1116684100 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whitespace is pretty well known < 1116684108 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of the slashdot thing < 1116684117 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1116684122 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of the articles on popular languages aren't really under contention < 1116684131 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just things like 2L that are worrying < 1116684140 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when someone posts their new idea for a language on wikipedia < 1116684183 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've done that..... < 1116684196 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I agree, it's not the best solution < 1116684384 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the way it is now, I think it is the right way to do it. It's not like 2L is less interesting than most of the other esolangs in wikipedia < 1116684401 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the problem is that it's less notable < 1116684418 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I disagree < 1116684427 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia isn't really the place to put new ideas, it's a repository for things that already exist < 1116684449 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is to say, that's the viewpoint of most of the other editors, and that's why a new esolang article is likely to be deleted) < 1116684459 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, how long does it have to have existed before it can be put there? < 1116684496 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not really a time thing - notability's a pretty ephemeral concept < 1116684530 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, to me it's a question of whether people which see the language/article somewhere else are able to find a reference in the wikipedia < 1116684564 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a general guideline is that people shouldn't write articles about their own projects < 1116684639 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know about the popularity of Whitespace; before I knew, I thought that it wasn't worth the inclusion < 1116684652 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if many people expect to find it, that's a change < 1116684677 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's my point of view, of course < 1116684747 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whitespace became quite known last year, so it's kind of a piece of internet history < 1116684792 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that's what makes the difference somehow < 1116684836 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The main esolang article lists the following as "notable": Befunge, Brainfuck, False, INTERCAL, Malbolge, Shakespeare, Unlambda and Whitespace < 1116684861 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure about false and shakespeare, but the rest I agree with < 1116684927 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree with you; I don't know about False and Shakespeare either < 1116684950 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd perhaps include Thue because of its innovative paradigm but that's probably me < 1116684962 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard of both but can't actually remember what False does < 1116685047 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_programming_language < 1116685063 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably the most notable thing about it is that it inspired some others (it's from 1993) < 1116685147 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Var'aq is probably also worth keeping in the pedia < 1116685254 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, probably < 1116685279 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :off to lunch, bbl < 1116685279 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though it doesn't really fit in with the rest... < 1116697834 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1116697848 0 :comet_11!Sanity@dialup-108.88.221.203.acc50-kent-syd.comindico.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1116701462 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1116701469 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently I missed a very interesting conversation. < 1116701517 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi GregorR < 1116701547 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So. < 1116701554 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cough* < 1116707155 0 :calamari!~calamari@dialup-4.240.241.57.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1116711136 0 :Keymaker!~a@wire74.adsl.netsonic.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1116711172 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hhm < 1116711187 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that a new esoteric programming language? < 1116711193 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1116711198 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, i was just about to write :) < 1116711198 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1116711236 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Keymaker < 1116711243 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :languages that definitely should stay in wikipedia, are in my opinion the following: brainfuck, befunge, thue, malbolge, unlambda < 1116711245 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1116711255 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i prefer it they all stay there < 1116711264 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and naturally kipple as well :) < 1116711350 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree with all you mention (I miss Intercal) < 1116711375 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What program should I OBLISK-ize for the proletization of OBLISK today :P < 1116711555 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaargh < 1116711582 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some global notice tells that there's going to be a major downtime in about 11 hours < 1116711590 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1116711616 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a previous wallop told that it's going to be about 15 mins long < 1116711616 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmhmm < 1116711654 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes to break in the nearest store, takes all the food that can carry, goes to bomb shelter, puts on the gas mask. < 1116711678 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION cries himself to sleep. < 1116711683 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1116711734 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a feeling that most of people won't even notice the major downtime.. ;) < 1116711766 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll be committing ritualistic suicide. < 1116711773 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1116711778 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then reviving myself by magic. < 1116711788 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1116711803 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1116711844 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :test: < 1116711850 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is this '' character? < 1116711862 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like an o with a / < 1116711868 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zero-with-a-line-through-it-like-I-draw-it? < 1116711874 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.. < 1116711882 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what it is? < 1116711898 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not quite Phi... < 1116711917 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it a norwegian character? < 1116711925 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1116711927 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks so < 1116711929 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1116711938 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kippleee? < 1116711944 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1116711951 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was from false manual < 1116711989 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for once a detailed esoteric language manual.. < 1116711997 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(still too lazy to try it) < 1116712128 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mayhaps their should be an ORK page on Wikipedia. < 1116712131 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm not writing it :P < 1116712138 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1116712153 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't understand it so i can't do it :p < 1116712159 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1116712377 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hum, the false doc is a txt file, the encoding might be CP-437 instead of ISO-8859 < 1116712443 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, being for Amiga I think it's ISO < 1116713154 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1116713174 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm trying to invent some esolang. again. < 1116713426 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: I'm more than happy to permanently host http://esowiki.kidsquid.com/ < 1116713497 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kidsquid.com is my domain, so even if I change shell providers (unlikely), the name can be permanent. If you'd like a different name than esowiki, I can easily change it < 1116713563 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was there a different reason that you were looking into wikicities? < 1116714812 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari, I'm going to make a list of the options in the list with the pros and cons < 1116714930 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yours is one, Wikicities is another and http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Main_Page is another < 1116714963 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the latter was apparently mentioned in the list before I joined it) < 1116715015 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'd also include for consideration a non-wiki web (a wiki needs a maintainer which at the very least can deal with vandalism) < 1116715053 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you subscribed to the mailing list? < 1116715066 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm subscribed to lang and misc < 1116715074 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and friends-of-bf < 1116715104 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lang is the one I'm subscribed to < 1116715128 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: wiki vandalism is easy to control because any change can be reverted < 1116715142 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to use the phone.. bbl < 1116715158 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I need to have dinner < 1116715160 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :later < 1116715163 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1116715175 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i need to go to sleep, i'm tired already < 1116715195 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbll (be back lot later) < 1116715206 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1116715521 0 :calamari_!~calamari@dialup-4.240.240.84.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1116715601 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :re's < 1116715646 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even better than my site would be esoteric.sange.fi, if he's willing < 1116715668 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's already been running the bf repository for years < 1116716238 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1116716675 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :calamari < 1116722329 0 :calamari_!~calamari@dialup-4.240.244.194.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1116722357 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1116723012 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: there is a problem with a site that is hosted by one person (like yourself) < 1116723037 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you get run over by a bus, or stops updating for some reason, the site is lost < 1116723066 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's where wikipedia and wikicities are (hopefully) more safe < 1116723116 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia is bad, because we're breaking the rules there (no original research) < 1116723130 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. hence wikicities may be a good alternative < 1116723221 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless advertising runs out, then *poof* it's gone :) < 1116723224 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1116723228 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing is 100% < 1116723249 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it doesn't look like those independent wiki's manage to get much content < 1116723314 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mostly offered because it seemed like there was a lot of talk but no actiob < 1116723327 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. and it is a good offer < 1116723386 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should go with what most people prefer (if we can get people to say that) < 1116723418 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about esoeric.sange.fi? That'd get my vote.. I wish I could remember the guys name < 1116723430 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's been running the bf archive for ages < 1116723455 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's his own machine.. so it's not likely to be taken down < 1116723477 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless Esoteric programming is deemed illegal and army troopers storm his home and destroy it. < 1116723483 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same as with yours: dependent on one person < 1116723494 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd trust him over wikicities, to be honest < 1116723499 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1116723507 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never even heard of wikicities before < 1116723510 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's even older than wikipedia, yes? < 1116723517 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe we could come up with a mirroring system of our own wiki < 1116723549 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mirroring sounds good.. there has to be a way,.. there are hundreds of wikipedia ripoff sites out there < 1116723589 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably some Java program that crawls the wiki and grabs the sources < 1116723600 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we could have two or three mirrors of the same wiki we should be safe < 1116723660 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ideally, they should be synchronized so that you could update in any one, at it would get propagated... not sure if such software exist < 1116723691 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the best we could hope for are daily or maybe hourly automated updates < 1116723700 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Subversion + cron job < 1116723734 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for the discussion earlier about the character, yes it is norwegian/danish. < 1116723735 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think if everyone used the same software setup, it could be a fairly simple job of archiving a directory and sending it out < 1116723752 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a vowel pronounced as in duh or burn < 1116723753 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no Java crawling required :) < 1116723753 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm < 1116723763 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION considers writing something. < 1116723802 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kipple: I think the mirroring idea is the best yet < 1116723803 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What wiki software is it based on? < 1116723819 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: MoinMoin seems like a winner, to me < 1116723821 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no reason who an edit couldn't prompt a cascade with the proper modifications. < 1116723822 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would prefer the one wikipedia uses < 1116723838 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What formats to they store in? < 1116723843 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea < 1116723853 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MoinMoin doesn't require a database.. which is nice < 1116723854 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flat file would be handy. < 1116723870 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION begins leaning toward MoinMoin ;) < 1116723894 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there was just an ssh server on the required boxes, files could be scp'd in on edit. < 1116723903 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Updates would cascade instantly. < 1116723907 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dislike the wikis that can't have spaces in the links. but maybe that's just me < 1116723938 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does MoinMoin allow HTML? < 1116724006 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to make some modifications to MoinMoin and see what I come up with. < 1116724074 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION balks. < 1116724077 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MoinMoin is Python. < 1116724082 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor doesn't do Python. < 1116724122 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do Python < 1116724132 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use spaces, actually < 1116724144 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just use quotation marks < 1116724177 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. that's nice. < 1116724185 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you're right.. the link dont have spaces, but the user doesn't know < 1116724220 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I personally like "Wiki!" < 1116724225 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's very simple. < 1116724252 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if MoinMoin is just flat files, it should be easy to sync, I think < 1116724261 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: I tried one of those simple ones and it performed very badly.. php wiki or something.. remember that one? < 1116724280 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wiki! is flat-file, simple, nice in my opinion. < 1116724284 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wiki.sf.net/ < 1116724288 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a very good home page :P < 1116724297 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: link to a Wiki! wiki ? < 1116724305 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.codu.org/odikeh/ < 1116724312 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's very non-intrusive, there's a list of links at the bottom. < 1116724338 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That one requires logins, actually. < 1116724343 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That example that is. < 1116724346 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eeew! < 1116724348 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it can be set either way. < 1116724380 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not crazy about that look.. sorry < 1116724386 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me neither < 1116724456 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One could apply their own template. < 1116724476 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kipple: just looked because I was curious about MoinMoin.. it stores the pages in a directory tree < 1116724477 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By modifying the code to their liking. < 1116724502 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it'd be a simple tar and send operation < 1116724557 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't thats what rsync is for? < 1116724563 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wouldn't be good to tar the enti---I was about to say that X-D < 1116724566 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kipple wins :P < 1116724596 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never heard of it :) checks man rsync < 1116724699 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is if the two wikis are both updated differently. Then you would lose the changes in one when you sync. Is there an easy way to fix that? < 1116724732 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one solution is, of course to just have one that can be edited, and use the rest as pure backups < 1116724828 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid question time.. how does rysn connect without a password? < 1116724834 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rsync rather < 1116724888 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the "I'm-being-edited" cookie was stored in a file. < 1116724893 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari_: SSH keys < 1116724898 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari_: Rsync can go via SSH < 1116724927 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha.. (looking at man pages) < 1116724945 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, "Wiki!" is even more templatable than I thought. < 1116724946 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is rsync -u .. update only.. do not overwirte newer files < 1116724961 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has a template.html page that has $title, $node and $bar. Just put those in and it works with any template. < 1116724967 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that would leave the two different < 1116724984 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kipple: if it were one-way yes < 1116724997 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm actually, that'll never work.. clocks are always different < 1116725170 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kipple: what if when on a mirror they click edit, it actually redirects to the "main" site and edits there instead? < 1116725182 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1116725196 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then, why not redirect to the main site the moment you enter the mirror < 1116725208 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if the main site goes down you lose the content < 1116725224 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this way, you'd just lose the ability to edit < 1116725225 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari_: I like your idea - edit redirecting that is. < 1116725229 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not if it is mirrored every hours or so < 1116725237 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We need to update instantly. < 1116725292 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about htis: if you edit a mirror, it is also submitted immediately to the main site < 1116725304 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Locking was the problem. < 1116725311 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wasn't it? < 1116725317 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it? < 1116725323 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess not X-D < 1116725351 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, so, remote sites have cron jobs to download every hour, and when a page is edited it is always uploaded to the main site, yes? < 1116725367 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that could work < 1116725391 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there are of course some locking issues < 1116725399 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most wikis don't lock anyway *shrugs* < 1116725423 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If we saved a revision history, things could be restored. < 1116725427 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(On request) < 1116725460 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta grab some food. brb < 1116725732 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, here's my thoughts ... < 1116725748 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The main wiki has a list of subwikis, < 1116725754 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The subwikis know what the main wiki is... < 1116725759 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the subwikis all have a cron job, < 1116725780 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus a setuid-whoever program that sends a file UP to the main wiki. < 1116725790 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Wiki software just acts like normal, < 1116725801 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But upon an edit, calls that setuid-whoever program. < 1116725828 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, everybody would have to know the main wiki's SSH public key < 1116725852 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vice-versa rather ... < 1116725859 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a problem.. we could have an information wiki page on how to add a new node to the wiki < 1116725859 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The main wiki would have to know everybody's public keys. < 1116725865 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oic < 1116725876 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even that could be automated, really. < 1116725886 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But seems unsafe. < 1116725892 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess since it's a wiki, it's irrelevant. < 1116725897 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1116725928 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anybody mind giving me an account somewhere so I can set something up as a test? < 1116725952 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my web server is nor functional currently :( < 1116725969 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that a problem? X-D < 1116725977 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: I'm using a shell provider.. sorry < 1116725985 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could set you up on my local box < 1116725985 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want an account it is.... < 1116725985 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, btw, I have another retort on Python: While most web servers support PHP, most do not support Python ;) < 1116726006 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just need an ssh account somewhere. < 1116726006 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good point < 1116726016 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even really need web access. < 1116726024 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just don't have a spare box lying around. < 1116726057 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION remembers his laptop. < 1116726061 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, me-su stupid. < 1116726120 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: that's good, because my connection cuts out every 4 hours :) < 1116726291 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1116726302 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1116727075 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1116727095 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just read the backlog < 1116727162 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, what's your take on this wiki business? < 1116727168 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I personally like the MoinMoin idea < 1116727192 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sits in his corner, alone as the only supporter of "Wiki!" < 1116727209 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1116727355 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like the idea of sending an edit to another server < 1116727373 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer a main server and non-editable mirrors < 1116727386 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I think I do as well < 1116727395 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If that's agreed, then I'm done X-D < 1116727403 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An rsync every hour and that's it. < 1116727410 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1116727414 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps not that often < 1116727417 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes perfect sense < 1116727424 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I've got to go eat home-made chicken soup. It's a terrible life. Bye 8-D < 1116727431 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :once or twice a day would be enough < 1116727438 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :later, GregorR < 1116727448 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that could be left to each mirrorer to decide < 1116727454 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bon apetit, greg < 1116727477 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say once a day is more than enough < 1116727503 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the mirror should be able to be switched to a main server, just for the case the main one fails < 1116727611 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a notification in the ML may be enough for the mirrors to start mirroring another server < 1116727634 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that could be done manually. it's not something that should happen often < 1116727651 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ML = mailing list < 1116727657 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. manually :) < 1116727658 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, yes < 1116727869 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the list has been pretty dead recently though < 1116727889 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lack of traffic does not imply lack of people (I hope) < 1116727914 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the IRC was apparently also quite dead until GregorR and I joined < 1116727938 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly. I pretty new here myself < 1116727994 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the impression I got from Keymaker's words < 1116728038 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it does look like the four of us do most of the talking here nowadays... < 1116728086 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't think that just because i don't talk much, that i'm not actively lurking :) < 1116728102 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe. good to know < 1116728106 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hi cpressey < 1116728110 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1116728119 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted to ask you about two things < 1116728127 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1116728142 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one is OOPS, any reference apart from the mention in your old page? Google didn't help < 1116728191 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? ... hmm. no. i think it was briefly sketched in a message to the (old) mailing list. but iirc it was not a fully formed idea < 1116728202 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't remember whose idea it was, either < 1116728208 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ok, thanks < 1116728224 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc the objective was an object-oriented tarpit... < 1116728231 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other is rube2; the wayback machine doesn't hold the archive and all I was able to get was a version for Atari ST < 1116728238 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1116728259 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rube is an idea of yours, right? < 1116728264 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's interesting... i still have it somewhere, i guess i didn't put it back on my site after i recovered it from that disk crash < 1116728286 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the original RUBE was mine, yes.... RUBE II was john c's slight change + implementation < 1116728300 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was my impression, thanks < 1116728311 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so are you going to put it back online? < 1116728311 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the original had a really _awful_ implementation... rube ii's code is much better) < 1116728320 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can see if i can dig it out, but it might take a while < 1116728329 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you so much < 1116728333 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :np < 1116728339 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should also maybe put illgol back up :) < 1116728351 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thank you for initiating me in this esoteric world! :) < 1116728374 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha! < 1116728398 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, to reach the next level, you must stay locked in a mailbox overnight while we all sing sea shanties at you. < 1116728427 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1116728431 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you get a nifty apron and... oh, no! i've already said too much! < 1116728434 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1116728462 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the subject of wikis... < 1116728489 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1116728503 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i pretty much agree that wikipedia shouldn't be playing host to each and every esolang. < 1116728513 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't know where to draw the line either. < 1116728530 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for having a "satellite"... i'm not convinced that a wiki is the best tool for the job... < 1116728539 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there used to be something called the Esoteric Language Database < 1116728550 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was renamed to the Stupid Languages Database < 1116728558 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is (afaik) now gone < 1116728560 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but why not use a wiki for it? < 1116728564 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :encyclopedia of stipid languages? yes it's gone < 1116728570 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stipid -> stupid < 1116728580 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is important that it is easy for several people to edit < 1116728581 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, why not use a "forge" for it, like luaforge or rubyforge? < 1116728593 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wiki aspect is useful, yes < 1116728595 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know about that < 1116728601 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but these are also (generally speaking) projects < 1116728613 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :code/document development < 1116728621 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be sweet if there was a tool that combined both < 1116728629 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact i think there is, but i forget what it's called < 1116728654 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, i don't really know < 1116728657 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was also considering Subversion; the problem is that the editor has to modify the HTML code directly, no quick-and-easy markup < 1116728667 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure if i'd use it, but i thought i'd toss the idea out there < 1116728679 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. < 1116728693 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if that "forge" thing is similar to a version control system < 1116728722 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus, the problem (i guess) if you have publically changeable code, is that it's very easy to slip in exploits unnoticed < 1116728746 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, the "forge" software, whatever it is, is like sourceforge's site. i think it can use cvs or svn for version control < 1116728768 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it is more project-oriented than reference-oriented. < 1116728771 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I understand < 1116728785 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :personally, it is the reference part I'm most interested in < 1116728923 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get what you mean by reference here < 1116728951 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, "looking things up" is what i meant by it :) < 1116728964 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh k < 1116729039 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea is not like cooperative project development; it's more like hosting each personal project's description and files, pretty much like what cat's eye is currently hosting < 1116729117 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as a wiki is able to host files, I think it's good enough < 1116729154 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1116729196 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fwiw, apparently this is what i was thinking of --> http://projects.edgewall.com/trac/ < 1116729344 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at any rate, i'm not pushing the idea. any sort of resource would be great, obviously. < 1116729364 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main problem is long-term reliability :) < 1116729372 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty interesting for community development, indeed < 1116729416 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, so maybe the mirroring is an important feature... < 1116729446 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's the whole point of mirroring < 1116729855 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kipple: is rune.krokodille.com yours? < 1116729860 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1116729876 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's down < 1116729901 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see, thanks < 1116730071 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your welcome. Why, btw? < 1116730146 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I followed the link from the wikipedia and it failed, I just wanted to be sure it was your site to get an idea on how it would work again (about a week, you said a few days ago) < 1116730162 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how -> when < 1116730164 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah well. not so sure now. < 1116730181 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1116730193 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the root partition seems to have lost some files. can't boot. < 1116730204 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know how much else is lost < 1116730215 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I'll have time to look into it next week < 1116730235 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not a linux expert, so it may take some time < 1116730312 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from a brief googling, it doesn't look like there is any ready-made solution for a synchronized multi-host wiki. there's some discussion of mirroring wiki content (one-way), but that's not nearly as useful... < 1116730388 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, sorry kipple < 1116730426 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: regular non-editable mirrors sound OK to me < 1116730446 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. the mirrors doesn't have to be editable < 1116730472 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, it's 4am here. Good night :) < 1116730481 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nite kipple < 1116730614 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnight kipple < 1116730643 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"See you later" < 1116730681 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing is, if the person running the editable wiki decides to stop (for whatever reason)... well, as long as there's a way to choose which of the mirrors gets to be the "next" editable one, i suppose that works < 1116730700 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and all the other mirrors update to mirror from it < 1116730712 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was the idea < 1116730718 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's cool. < 1116730785 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, i have to eat now :) ttyl (and i'll try to get rube ii up this evening) < 1116730836 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bon appetit and thank you very much < 1116730863 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to sleep as well (I'm on the same time zone as kipple) < 1116731492 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LADEEDADA 8-D < 1116733718 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, i put both rube & rube ii back online --> http://catseye.webhop.net/projects/rube/ < 1116734202 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, Rube = awesome < 1116734310 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes to play "The Incredible Machine" :P < 1116734317 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx :) < 1116734330 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION should probably work in curses support.... someday...... < 1116736436 0 :comet_11!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :CXI < 1116736750 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1116736791 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moin moin's a bit icky to work with - one of my uni courses uses it for notes < 1116737317 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, see http://www.wikicities.com/wiki/Database_download for info about backups (it'd be about as complicated as wget and a cron job) < 1116739585 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using wget would cause a massive redownload every backup, no? < 1116739866 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not terribly massive - just the curr table < 1116739876 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as in, current versions of every page, not the whole history) < 1116739892 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not incremental, if that's what you mean < 1116739976 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though a diff-based update would be kinda nice < 1116740004 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence rsync < 1116740035 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But lemme take a look at that page. < 1116740088 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got it all set up for "Wiki!" < 1116740092 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, nobody likes "Wiki!" so :P < 1116747813 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here we go :) < 1116747835 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor's customized version of "Wiki!" supports guest posting and file uploads, and titles with spaces in them (which was supported anyway) < 1116748799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1116748800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1116749022 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1116749033 0 :lindi-!~lindi@kulho150.adsl.netsonic.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1116749198 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1116749202 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where's the big explosion? < 1116749335 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1116749442 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1116749442 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1116749474 0 :lament!~lament@S010600110999ad06.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1116749489 0 :mickoko!~mickoko@203-173-34-63.dyn.iinet.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1116749497 0 :GregorR!~GregorR@c-24-21-138-66.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1116749515 0 :mickoko!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1116757317 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1116757317 0 :clog!nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1116757451 0 :mtve!mtve@mtve.vm.jvds.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1116761561 0 :KnX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1116763161 0 :stefan60!~opera@p549998E1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1116763254 0 :stefan60!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1116766646 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1116766675 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : But, nobody likes "Wiki!" so :P < 1116766846 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: from my point of view, the question is not to like or not to like; just MoinMoin is already set up and running in calamari's server, and if there's a compelling reason to make the effort of changing I'm for it < 1116766882 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ok, i put both rube & rube ii back online --> http://catseye.webhop.net/projects/rube/ < 1116766912 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you very much, cpressey! < 1116766936 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rube is sooooo coooool :) < 1116767381 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, I thought that the name came instead from Sierra's Space Quest II adventure where there's a toy called Cubix Rube < 1116769352 0 :kipple!~kipple@163.80-202-100.nextgentel.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1116770515 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, this rube2 thing is much harder to get working than rube < 1116775147 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does MoinMoin only save the last two revisions? When I click show changes in the EsoWiki, only the last two are available... < 1116776606 0 :comet_11!Sanity@dialup-108.88.221.203.acc50-kent-syd.comindico.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1116776877 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1116776921 0 :comet_11!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :CXI < 1116778673 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Pope_CXI < 1116778795 0 :Pope_CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :CXI < 1116779708 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kipple: click on "Get Info" < 1116779754 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. thanks < 1116788081 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, how much information are we supposed to put on the Wiki? I suppose the full spec and everything, so that if eso.codu.org (as an example) fell out of existance, it would be there? < 1116788951 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm ... how do you make MoinMoin show 2L code without trying to be all wiki-i with it... < 1116789208 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know. I assume it has some tags for such things < 1116789349 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you tried {{{ }}} ? < 1116789387 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figured that out after a bit. < 1116789389 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That worked. < 1116796743 0 :andreou!~peace@195.130.98.225 JOIN :#esoteric < 1116796791 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Another brainfuck site (http://www.bf-hacks.org/) is open! ~ http://chriscoyne.com/cfdg/ < 1116797894 0 :GregorR-L!~GregorR-L@c-24-21-138-66.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1116797925 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION eats babies. < 1116797941 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. < 1116798094 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1116798803 0 :ngtr!~peace@athe530-e150.otenet.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1116799031 0 :GregorR!~GregorR@c-24-21-138-66.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1116799046 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is my alter ego joining magically? :P < 1116800295 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1116800421 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1116800447 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :creepy... :) < 1116800448 0 :GregorR!~GregorR@c-24-21-138-66.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1116800513 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's pretty strange. < 1116800542 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have another machine that's logged in? < 1116800564 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1116800568 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And off ... and in ... < 1116803030 0 :ngtr!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :andreou < 1116804544 0 :kipple_!~kipple@163.80-202-100.nextgentel.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1116804544 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1116805326 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"~" < 1116817266 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1116817778 0 :kipple_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1116817801 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So. < 1116817808 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor is bored. < 1116824009 0 :Keymaker!~a@wire74.adsl.netsonic.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1116824042 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wooooaaaah < 1116824064 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really nice andreou! < 1116824076 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i gotta try that language soon < 1116824080 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as soon as i have time < 1116824088 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really neat stuff < 1116824328 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :must go. < 1116824331 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1116831848 0 :andreou!~peace@195.130.98.135 JOIN :#esoteric < 1116833877 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"~" < 1116835199 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1116835200 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1116844366 0 :andreou!~peace@195.130.98.197 JOIN :#esoteric < 1116844511 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1116844622 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1116848867 0 :CXI!~Sanity@dialup-108.88.221.203.acc50-kent-syd.comindico.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1116850145 0 :kipple!~kipple@163.80-202-100.nextgentel.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1116864460 0 :arke!apache@84.218.21.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1116864802 0 :arke!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"CGI:IRC (EOF)" < 1116865011 0 :puzzlet!~puzzlet@61.247.148.38 JOIN :#esoteric < 1116867914 0 :andreou!~peace@195.130.98.164 JOIN :#esoteric < 1116870045 0 :GregorR-L!~GregorR-L@host-202-213.pubnet.pdx.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1116871417 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"i be novel." < 1116872192 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1116872859 0 :puzzlet!~puzzlet@61.247.148.38 JOIN :#esoteric < 1116874050 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1116877894 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1116880348 0 :GregorR-L!~GregorR-L@host-226-195.dhcp.pdx.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1116880419 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wooh < 1116880423 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CFDG < 1116880424 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coolio < 1116880435 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not turing complete I assume, since it's not exactly ... well ... that. < 1116880521 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow < 1116880524 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's incredibly cool < 1116880580 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CFDG? < 1116880590 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much would it take to make it turing complete, I wonder... :) < 1116880600 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see topic < 1116880601 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, the topic < 1116880602 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1116880605 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry :) < 1116880617 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it would have to have a concept of numbers :p < 1116880622 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe some sort of colision ... < 1116880642 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1116880654 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what a fractal language could look like < 1116880740 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: I'm writing the message for the ML about the servers; could you please repeat what are your changes to Wiki!? < 1116880799 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got confused by what did you change and what was already supported < 1116880815 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, what are the alternatives you have so far? < 1116880816 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just secured the logins a bit more and added an uploads dialog. < 1116880832 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*a bit more secure < 1116880842 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, thanks < 1116880887 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But since even I've started posting stuff to the MoinMoin wiki, it's pretty irrelevent :P < 1116880919 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, so do I delete that part from consideration? < 1116880925 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might as well < 1116880964 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means...? < 1116880973 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, delete. < 1116880982 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure? < 1116880994 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the final decision involves a different approach < 1116880999 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless anybody can see any advantages to it over MoinMoin. < 1116881007 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the MoinMoin wiki support file uploads? (like binaries, archives and pdfs) < 1116881010 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kipple: the alternatives are static content and wiki; within wiki, the three ones already running, namely Wikicities, calamari's and the voxelwhatever < 1116881022 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it does < 1116881039 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it doesn't, there's a big point for "Wiki!" :P < 1116881057 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH, that's right! < 1116881058 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari's is MoinMoin; the voxelXXXX seems to be phpwiki < 1116881064 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MoinMoin is python, and many servers don't support Python. < 1116881079 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's the big con against MoinMoin < 1116881079 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it would be more difficult to get true mirrors. < 1116881090 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WikiMedia is my personal preference < 1116881095 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's PHP, yes? < 1116881103 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikicities is not a Wikimedia project < 1116881103 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :php+mysql < 1116881118 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flat files are nicer for cross-site distribution. < 1116881136 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, toss "Wiki!" back in X-D < 1116881136 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's easy to distribute an sql-dump < 1116881163 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the same issue as with MoinMoin though - the more basic it is the more mirrors are likely. < 1116881173 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1116881187 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from http://www.wikicities.com/wiki/What_Wikicities_is_not : "[Wikicities is not] a Wikimedia project" < 1116881202 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Humm < 1116881212 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it use the Wikimedia engine? < 1116881213 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I didn't want to take it out < 1116881218 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so, not sure < 1116881234 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant: I prefer MediaWiki (not to be confused with WikiMedia) :) < 1116881243 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case it looks a LOT like Wikipedia < 1116881255 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia and Wikicities both use MediaWiki < 1116881266 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you mean the software < 1116881269 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1116881322 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have yet to see a wiki that looks as good as MediaWiki < 1116881328 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not very confident about a MySQL database either < 1116881339 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, the look is pretty good < 1116881346 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Wiki! is templatable through a template.html file, so it can look exactly like MediaWiki if you want) < 1116881355 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1116881379 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just the ones I've seen so far has looked very good < 1116881387 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe voxelperfect's is a MediaWiki? < 1116881389 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The big draw-back of Wiki! for the record is that it uses HTML, rather than a convenient Wikiscript. < 1116881390 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :has not, I mean! < 1116881411 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/ (for reference) < 1116881413 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm. not good < 1116881429 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops, doesn't it use custom markup? < 1116881439 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, 'tis HTML. < 1116881446 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which I think is nice, but that is clearly just me. < 1116881464 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does user's text go straight to the page? < 1116881478 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup - though of course wiki links use [blah] < 1116881492 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the only non-HTML-ism it has. < 1116881493 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :voxelperfect seems to be mediawiki < 1116881496 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH, plus it does
s < 1116881499 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For you < 1116881526 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, then it's not straight HTML, it looks similar to phpBB or even MediaWiki < 1116881551 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, MediaWiki has convenient wikiisms, no? < 1116881553 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet it won't allow certain tags and will impose restrictions on others < 1116881579 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has its own markup if that's what you ask < 1116881589 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's what I meant :P < 1116881613 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may be more restricted but anyway I think it's OK < 1116881646 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I personally prefer pure HTML to Wiki syntaxes, but like I said, I'm sure that's just me. < 1116881666 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I think that asking for HTML tags for special contents is not asking too much in a community of people used to code in weird languages < 1116881694 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL < 1116881695 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good point. < 1116881701 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't think about that X-D < 1116881715 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agreed. but I think you'll get a more unified look if you don't use HTML < 1116881732 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe that's not important < 1116881746 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, the style sheet should deal with things that structure the page like

,
 etc.
< 1116881767 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a good thing with HTML is that one can take a web page and paste it directly into the wiki
< 1116881771 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's no concern
< 1116881807 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a difference with what _should_ happen, and what will happen... 
< 1116881808 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually doubt it allows straight HTML; it will probably be a restricted HTML like in blogspot or phpBB
< 1116881821 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably true
< 1116881825 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sorry if my fingers are a bit lagged)
< 1116881834 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a big issue IMHO
< 1116881869 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, "Wiki!"
< 1116881873 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, straight HTML.
< 1116881892 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I said "Simple," I meant "simple" ;)
< 1116881899 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1116881953 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, then anonymous posting shouldn't be allowed
< 1116881959 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1116881966 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1116881992 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the only problem with it, so I'm putting it out there.
< 1116882026 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, maybe I can work in a parser or something... (I'm quite busy with the rest of my projects though)
< 1116882071 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could you please elaborate on the security-related changes?
< 1116882083 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :security is a concern to me as well
< 1116882116 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It used to use a cookie that just had your username, so anybody who could set the cookie could get a user account.
< 1116882120 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sort of stupid, really :P
< 1116882134 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now it uses the username and a hashed password, and the password is double-hashed on the far end.
< 1116882144 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yuck, actually phpBB suffered that problem as well
< 1116882154 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat
< 1116882158 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MD5?
< 1116882165 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(just curious)
< 1116882188 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1116882249 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still not as secure as it could be.
< 1116882257 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you just got me thinking about how I could secure it more :P
< 1116882258 0 :calamari!~calamari@dialup-4.240.240.253.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1116882268 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool! hi calamari
< 1116882280 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi pgimeno
< 1116882306 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's the wiki planning?
< 1116882318 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm preparing the message to the ML
< 1116882340 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're discussing about including Wiki! in the list
< 1116882350 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the list of wiki possibilities, that is
< 1116882356 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if in doubt, include it
< 1116882358 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate its name so much I want to fork it and make my own X-D
< 1116882363 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we agree it should be
< 1116882371 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe
< 1116882392 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can call it GWiki and imply that it's GNU because of my first name ...
< 1116882402 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could call it KWiki and imply that it's for KDE because of my middle name ...
< 1116882413 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about Giki
< 1116882417 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D
< 1116882419 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Geeki
< 1116882421 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's brilliant 8-D
< 1116882425 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe
< 1116882430 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kipple gets genius points.
< 1116882436 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1116882454 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm submitting this baby to Sourceforge >:)
< 1116882465 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm.
< 1116882470 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be project #5 I think ...
< 1116882475 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MoinMoin's main problem is Python
< 1116882499 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many wikis are tied to a database, that's their problem.
< 1116882500 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. otherwise it looks fine
< 1116882537 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: you said MoinMoin supports files, right?
< 1116882545 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(file uploads)
< 1116882561 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, yeah
< 1116882618 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To submit, or not to submit, that is the question.  For is it nobler to have 5 under-supported projects or to ignore this desire and leave Giki behind?
< 1116882648 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anybody seen a spec of CDFG?
< 1116882695 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, nope.
< 1116882728 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: what about leaving it apart by now and take it again after you're done with a few projects?
< 1116882776 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Open Source Software projects never qualify as "done" really :P
< 1116882805 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1116882815 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already abandoned one - PHPIM
< 1116882826 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHPIM - RIP - It was curious, but totally worthless.
< 1116882845 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IM = instant messaging?
< 1116882849 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1116882861 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%)
< 1116882873 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1116882890 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most esoteric thing I've done in PHP so far is an astrologic calculator
< 1116882901 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's more esoteric than PHPIM ;)
< 1116882934 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, esoteric is a word that fits it pretty well :)
< 1116882968 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, it's still up X-D
< 1116883002 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm not a believer in astrology, it was just to prove an astrologer that astrology doesn't work as he expected)
< 1116883011 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heheh
< 1116883014 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was hoping so ;)
< 1116883076 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's PHPIM?
< 1116883085 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://phpim.sourceforge.net/
< 1116883104 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a "Check out PHPIM first-hand" link that still works there :P
< 1116883147 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: I don't remember talking about file uploads.. must've been someone else
< 1116883166 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, sorry
< 1116883179 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought we decided against MoinMoin because it was python
< 1116883190 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, no better one has really cropped up ;)
< 1116883201 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if Moin! could be made to not look so dumb, I'd go for that
< 1116883211 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean "Wiki!" 
< 1116883218 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err yeah.. hehe
< 1116883224 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it just has a template.html, so it's totally templatable.
< 1116883230 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks however you want it to.
< 1116883232 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the boxes around links is just silly hehe
< 1116883239 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just that one example ;)
< 1116883245 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try to make it look like wikipedia or moinmoin
< 1116883258 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they both have nice interfaces
< 1116883284 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed.
< 1116883381 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: so does moinmoin allow binary file uploading?
< 1116883381 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, Wikipedia foils Mozilla's save-page feature!
< 1116883401 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: no idea.. let me see :)
< 1116883419 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1116883710 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gregorr.homelinux.org/wiki/ < starting to look MediaWiki-ish
< 1116883775 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's good for a start
< 1116883818 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I certainly am not saying that it's done ;)
< 1116883825 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just showing you that it is indeed templatable.
< 1116883851 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's what I mean (please be patient with me, remember that English is not my first language)
< 1116883869 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: MoinMoin can do binary file uploading, but you must log in first
< 1116883893 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no problem with that; I think that anonymous posts should be disallowed
< 1116883900 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe
< 1116883913 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agreed.
< 1116883918 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uploading without login = bad.
< 1116883935 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's easier to get people to add content if they don't have to register. but for uploading it should be required!
< 1116883955 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah.
< 1116883973 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders why the ! was necessary after that sentence ;)
< 1116884012 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it is important!! ;)
< 1116884022 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8-D
< 1116884044 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :english is not my first language either....
< 1116884051 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd be happy if we are enough registered editors as to maintain it; interested authors can see registration as a benefit in case they don't have a homepage
< 1116884096 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm worried about spammers and vandals
< 1116884144 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should work as autonomously as possible without anyone's interaction
< 1116884156 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how much of a problem that is. On wikipedia it happens, but this wiki will be pretty obscure
< 1116884174 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's how to do an upload.. kinda weird.. you put attachment:filename in the page, and then save the page, you'll then have a link to link which allows you to upload the file
< 1116884177 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that most wikis suffer from spam
< 1116884186 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1116884203 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: a link to link?
< 1116884204 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then we should probably not allow anonymous editing
< 1116884232 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: a link.. dunno where "to a link" came from
< 1116884234 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, my Wiki! upload script forces the username before file name so you can't fake somebody elses files.
< 1116884266 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: it's enough by now to know that it's supported, thanks
< 1116884268 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure why I started that sentence with "Hmm, "
< 1116884507 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving"
< 1116884802 0 :GregorR-L!~GregorR-L@host-226-195.dhcp.pdx.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1116884814 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On further thought, there was no need for me to log out before walking downstairs.
< 1116884901 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I am sooooo forking.
< 1116884911 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1116884956 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wiki! is so nice, but falls just short of its potential.  Only a few minor changes are needed for it to be a really excellent SIMPLE Wiki.
< 1116885023 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's cool
< 1116885039 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :off-topic, GregorR-L: how many domains do you use?
< 1116885115 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :www.codu.org is my low-powered home page, gregorr.homelinux.org is my home computer that I'm not even allowed to host on, www.imdirect.net is DirectNet's home page and www.reclaimidentity.com is a school project.
< 1116885132 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus four *.sf.net subdomains.
< 1116885133 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and t35.com?
< 1116885156 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, codu.t35.com was my old home page, but the host got all advertizy so I decided to get a for-pay one.
< 1116885173 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see
< 1116885213 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not allowed to host on your home computer? eek
< 1116885252 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lame ISP :P
< 1116885275 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of connection is that?
< 1116885278 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cable
< 1116885279 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DSL?
< 1116885282 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1116885314 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what speed? (just curious)
< 1116885342 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm X-D
< 1116885348 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something I should know off the top of my head ...
< 1116885353 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm so rarely home anymore :P
< 1116885362 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1116885363 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nm
< 1116886081 0 :andreou!~peace@195.130.98.208 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1116886095 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, the artist :)
< 1116886099 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi andreou
< 1116886113 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hola
< 1116886115 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which artist?
< 1116886171 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the artist behind cfdg is you, right?
< 1116886293 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i am a mere medium.
< 1116886298 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1116886314 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case thanks for the link, it looks very pretty :)
< 1116886393 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl
< 1116886396 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1116886436 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, is there someone here who is NOT in the 'lang' ML?
< 1116886446 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me
< 1116886469 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's for discussing the esolang preservation project
< 1116886510 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the question is related to which of the three lists should the message be sent, as I'm just in 'lang'
< 1116886532 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :three lists?
< 1116886543 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in lang and FoBF
< 1116886558 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I'm wrong and they are just two
< 1116886581 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I somehow understood that there were three
< 1116886708 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you meant the lang 'ML', as in OcaML
< 1116886713 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used to be
< 1116886722 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of my addresses might still be
< 1116886722 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, sorry, I meant ML as in mailing list
< 1116886774 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're welcome to participate if any of these addresses is :)
< 1116886877 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WOW! I haven't seen this before: http://www.nada.kth.se/~matslina/awib/
< 1116886891 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :extremely cool
< 1116887025 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno what's the url for the list manager?
< 1116887050 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know right now
< 1116887087 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very nice, kipple!
< 1116887109 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :andreou: you mean for the lang list?
< 1116887126 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think he does
< 1116887134 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1116887143 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :subscribe lang to listar@esoteric.sange.fi
< 1116887176 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lang, sci and misc, right?
< 1116887214 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know about sci and misc...
< 1116887237 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :misc was the other one, yeah
< 1116887260 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but lang seems more appropriate
< 1116887295 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know about sci either; the third one I meant was Friends of Brainfuck
< 1116887397 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah at ccc?
< 1116887399 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember that
< 1116887530 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm off
< 1116887535 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"~"
< 1116887563 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: around?
< 1116888037 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi
< 1116888037 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am now
< 1116888073 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :may I make changes to the wiki to get a feeling of how it works?
< 1116888089 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's a throw-away wiki.
< 1116888104 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do I need to be registered?
< 1116888132 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so, lemme check the config.
< 1116888145 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope.
< 1116888171 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki links go in square brackets]
< 1116888186 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go
< 1116888276 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the "track revision" checkbox? I thought that all revisions would be tracked
< 1116888371 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just changes whether the revision is displayed on the page.
< 1116888371 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're all stored internally.
< 1116888382 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok
< 1116888450 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is still working on the unnecessarily-secure password setup.
< 1116888641 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to track only the last three changes
< 1116888792 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe, it messes up the JS code
< 1116888827 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The page only shows the last three changes.
< 1116888840 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just a display thing, it has nothing to do with its actual history.
< 1116888848 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1116889098 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a potential problem with the markup, namely the conversion of < to < and > to > which some authors may forget (even in Micro$oft's pages I've seen code forgetting them)
< 1116889111 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus the usage of [] for code
< 1116889136 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latter can be avoided in the PHP code by skipping 
 sections
< 1116889194 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the former will probably happen also in the other wikis
< 1116889369 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in wikis that disallow HTML.
< 1116889378 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The latter is simple to skip, no prob.
< 1116889396 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So long as I'm going in full-hog anyway :P
< 1116889420 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe
< 1116889447 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MediaWiki allows HTML; probably MoinMoin does as well
< 1116889501 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no big deal; just BF programmers will have to be careful when moving the data pointer around
< 1116889679 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay 8-D
< 1116889685 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :New security measures are working.
< 1116889696 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is now a session key.
< 1116889700 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool!
< 1116889711 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1116889715 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it time out or something?
< 1116889735 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but I could make it do so when I think about it ...
< 1116889741 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just stick a timestamp in there.
< 1116889747 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had it disappear when you logged out.
< 1116889765 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a server-side timestamp, I suppose
< 1116889770 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, of course.
< 1116889778 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always forget to log out :P
< 1116889787 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The local cookie times out, which forces a new key upon new login.
< 1116889798 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, by the way, I think this will be a simple find-and-replace change: could you please make 
add a \n at the end? < 1116889883 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, in display? < 1116889884 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure. < 1116889925 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the HTML code sticks everything in a single line, making browsing the source a bit awkward < 1116889951 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH, that's how it screws up javascript! < 1116889958 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION 's eyes are opened. < 1116890303 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the JS code suffers from
invasion < 1116890361 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek! < 1116890376 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on edit it converted the < to < < 1116890409 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, seriously? That's bizarre ... I wonder why it did that ...... < 1116890422 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmmmm, maybe something about textareas? < 1116890441 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea but yes I'm serious < 1116890579 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr, there's a caveat with
\n: the
 sections are also broken by 
so if instead of
there's
\n then two line breaks will be inserted < 1116890642 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the
 sections are also broken...  -->  within the 
 sections lines are also broken...
< 1116890719 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lesse lesse lesse ...
< 1116891149 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There we go :)
< 1116891155 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now it handles 
s beautifully :)
< 1116891160 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's get scripts working ...
< 1116891169 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat
< 1116891265 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now if only I could remember basic javascript ...
< 1116891292 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Document.out.println or something?
< 1116891321 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :document.write is what you look for?
< 1116891339 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yes.
< 1116891347 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, looksi there!
< 1116891349 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8-D
< 1116891350 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ "\n" if it has to end a line
< 1116891358 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scripts work.
< 1116891399 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hum, maybe it's cached somewhere in between
< 1116891411 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean it no longer inserts 
? < 1116891570 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the message to the list will not be ready tonight, sorry :( < 1116891593 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no problem. it's not that urgent... < 1116891817 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my main concern is the Wikipedia contents, maybe CXI can clarify something about when an action would be carried out < 1116891831 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean? < 1116891855 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it about to be deleted? < 1116891976 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure < 1116892029 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose that it will deleted at some point except for the most relevant languages, but I don't know how close is that point < 1116892075 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently CXI joined here because of a need of dealing with that < 1116892376 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recall having seen somewhere in Wikipedia a proposal for deletion of... was it 74 entries? < 1116892431 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1116892501 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but wasn't that a long time ago, and voted down? < 1116892509 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or has it happened again? < 1116892611 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea of the timing < 1116892634 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor the voting < 1116892671 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not very up-to-date, sorry :) < 1116892782 0 :GregorR-L!~GregorR-L@host-226-195.dhcp.pdx.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1116892801 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, got D/C'd < 1116892821 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is backing up as much as possible before low-level formatting his server < 1116892925 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: If you're still up, give
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