< 1118016000 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1118016080 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh. Befunge is now in 9 categories..... < 1118016485 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very categorical < 1118017224 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't TMMLPTEALPAITAFNFAL a joke language? < 1118017266 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as in "totally unusable except as a joke") < 1118017272 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea < 1118017299 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, that one. < 1118017356 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it is probably turing-complete... though perhaps not always :) < 1118017431 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it is turing complete all days, is it turing complete? < 1118017444 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesn't like the idea of separating joke languages from the rest
< 1118017454 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me neither < 1118017942 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nite all < 1118018021 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nite < 1118027777 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1118028075 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno, how about like listing all turing-complete languages on [[Turing-complete]]? < 1118028289 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1118036584 0 :malaprop!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"sleep" < 1118041520 0 :graue!~graue@ip68-100-130-21.dc.dc.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1118041543 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do SMITH and Muriel count as self-modifying? < 1118042423 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: hey < 1118042440 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: do you want it? < 1118043292 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :god < 1118043310 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on [[Turing complete]], smallfuck is mentioned as a minimal example of turing-complete language < 1118043834 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is < 1118043864 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well no < 1118043887 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should probably explicitly state somewhere that smallfuck implementations must have a memory size limit < 1118043896 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, change my mind and allow them to be infinite. < 1118043989 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably the latter. < 1118044455 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell haha < 1118044456 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read through all the mailing list discussion on the subject and don't remember seeing that < 1118044456 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Ale < 1118044486 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"stupid" is the term the author uses (see link) < 1118044502 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just wanted to make a page so someone could flesh it out later < 1118044515 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need a logo < 1118044525 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is that flower thing a logo < 1118044527 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need a PD Piet program to use as a logo < 1118044534 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the flower thing is the mediawiki logo, so it sucks < 1118044535 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PD? < 1118044540 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :public domain < 1118044542 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh < 1118044555 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it should do something cool < 1118044561 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1118044621 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a proper command set, a language with only one bignum should be TC < 1118044623 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be cool < 1118044640 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1118044641 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1118044643 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not necessarily < 1118044649 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that language could simply be Brainfuck < 1118044658 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's not cool at all < 1118044660 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it couldn't < 1118044671 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would operate on the digits of the bignum :) < 1118044671 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ only knows "0 or not-zero" < 1118044682 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it could be, yes < 1118044686 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1118044708 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know of a graphics editor that'd be good for piet? < 1118044712 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1118044747 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, if you write one, release it as free software, because i don't know of any decent bitmap editors for working with pixels < 1118044794 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1118044799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1118044800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1118045033 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only interpreter is in perl!? awww < 1118045130 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you lack perl? < 1118045138 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate perl < 1118045139 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1118045140 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1118045144 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a txt2gif converter < 1118045148 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :excellent < 1118045149 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.majcher.com/code/piet/ < 1118045156 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a piet-specific one) < 1118045214 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i can't download it, it's 403 < 1118045249 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the wayback machine possibly have a copy from before it became 403'd? < 1118045289 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, okay, it's part of the release < 1118045290 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :great < 1118045299 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.majcher.com/code/piet/Releases/Piet-Interpreter-0.03.tar.gz < 1118045356 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1118045386 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what would a logo program do? < 1118045454 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something that it can do while looking nice < 1118045468 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fibonacci program on the piet website looks nice i think < 1118045531 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you think we can get some copyright renunciation out of the guy? < 1118045558 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems likeley < 1118045563 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1118045576 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does it have to be public domain anyway? < 1118045675 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there's a blanket statement that anything on the wiki is, just to avoid complicating things < 1118045720 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess you could say the logo is not content, but if it's an esolang program, people might think otherwise < 1118045721 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you think it'd make a good logo? < 1118045723 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.dangermouse.net/esoteric/fibbig.gif < 1118045730 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would work < 1118045760 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just the right size < 1118045812 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can email the guy < 1118045885 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, go ahead < 1118045923 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: why not use 3-clause BSD license or MIT license? < 1118045955 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: those at least state that there is no warranty < 1118046186 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those licenses don't solve the problem of you having to acknowledge, "Parts copyright (c) 2004 'Bob1233'. Parts copyright (c) 2005 'Graue', Parts copyright (c) 2005 '68.133.119.11'" etc for every nontrivial page < 1118046194 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll add something stating that there is no warranty < 1118046554 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, i sent the guy an email < 1118046691 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way, what was it you found, again, about a language with a single queue being TC? < 1118046739 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i made such a language (http://www.oceanbase.org/graue/qdeql/) and implied that it was TC, and cpressey is not convinced < 1118046810 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have never found nor said anything about that < 1118046827 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all i did was ask you if it was really TC < 1118046833 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cause i'm not convinced either < 1118046997 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn, am i confusing you with someone else in this channel? < 1118047005 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone said that < 1118047041 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess you are < 1118047417 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how stupid of me < 1118048604 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :man, piet is a cool idea but too painful < 1118048612 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't feel like installing perl modules :( < 1118048644 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you can pay someone $50 an hour to convert it to ruby then < 1118048675 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: how does wikipedia handle this? < 1118048712 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't < 1118048739 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i imagine that wikipedia itself is violating the FDL immensely just by continuing to exist < 1118048749 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: but the ruby version would also require the same module < 1118048757 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: convert the code in the module < 1118048774 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the module is on the Sylvain guy's site < 1118048825 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: the module is ImageMagick and isn't in Perl at all... < 1118048839 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just lazy, really < 1118049010 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1118049040 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and cheap, too < 1118049044 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what would be awesome < 1118049050 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a language that uses musical notation < 1118049057 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any exist? < 1118049062 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, yeah, that would be great < 1118049065 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not to my knowledge < 1118049128 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :choon does'nt even come close < 1118049277 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd be interested in a language that used natural language to control it, but in a totally unnatural way, so that any grammatically correct english sentence was a program < 1118049306 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a research project it could be built on that analyzes sentences, "link grammar" or something like that, it's called < 1118049665 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok that's it i'm designing a music-based language < 1118049672 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's gonna be the best ever < 1118049727 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :programs will be polyphonic compositions in the style of Bach. < 1118050572 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does atonal music crash? < 1118050595 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, make that "potentially in the style of bach" :) < 1118050611 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they'll be polyphonic < 1118050634 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a must, and i'm trying to figure out how to make that into a useful programming paradigm < 1118050668 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it too obvious to make each voice a thread? < 1118050688 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah < 1118050699 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what to do with that later? < 1118050705 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there must be some incentive to use more than one thread < 1118050727 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to use 2 to 4 threads at most times < 1118050733 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now your challenge is "design language that is useful for computation if, and only if, multiple threads are used" < 1118050742 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the music part is solved < 1118050804 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty much. < 1118050830 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't have to be threads though < 1118050843 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking of having some sort of assembly < 1118050847 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about if the only program state is based on which thread is running what code right now? < 1118050855 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where one voice is an operation < 1118050862 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and other voices are parameters < 1118050877 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can that produce good music? < 1118050895 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't see why not < 1118050927 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you plan to use the tonal system? < 1118050931 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's against the nature of polyphony to designate one thread as special < 1118050941 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. have one "melody" aka "operation" thread < 1118050953 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1118050982 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, tonal system or something like that < 1118050992 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fugue programming language! < 1118050993 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :intervals are significant rather than notes < 1118050995 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :puzzlet: yes < 1118051035 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make enough room for expression, i.e. major and minor third in any direction is the same instruction < 1118051035 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :naturally i'll have to answer your language with a twelve-tone programming language < 1118051051 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i guess no, no tonal system :) < 1118051075 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have a concept of major and minor third you are using the tonal system < 1118051094 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1118051097 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tonal system is like, you have major or minor. < 1118051109 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really, since they're always measured from the current note < 1118051110 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the opposite of atonal system < 1118051117 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no tonal center < 1118051143 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just saying, "up 3 steps or up 4 steps is the same instruction" < 1118051152 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's based on intervals, and that is the tonal system < 1118051165 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not exactly. < 1118051180 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :atonal system is based on intervals indeed < 1118051189 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean either < 1118051248 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the tonal system is based on interval content, whereas, for contrast, the twelve-tone system is based on interval order < 1118051273 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't comment on the atonal system, but it would not be possible to meaningfully use the twelve-tone system in this language < 1118051285 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get it < 1118051358 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that's okay < 1118051364 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't mind programming in the tonal system < 1118051381 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the reason i'm not getting it is because you're not making any sense! < 1118051453 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reason i am ceasing my argument is because i don't believe i can explain it effectively! < 1118051457 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1118051510 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the twelve-tone system, you take all 12 notes of the chromatic scale, shuffle them into a random permutation, and then add registral details by assigning them to different octaves and such < 1118051521 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's based on all twelve tones being there all the time, more or less < 1118051525 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no that's serial music < 1118051546 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are we calling the same thing two different names? < 1118051559 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i described exists and is called twelve-tone music < 1118051594 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but calling every music other than twelve-tone music "tonal" is wrong < 1118051639 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tonal music is based on tonality, the major chord. < 1118051677 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i belive that other side of the music is called "atonal", which twelve-tone music is part of < 1118051796 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :atonal music is actually a subset of the intersection of tonal and twelve-tone music, according to noted composer Charles Wuorinen, whose book i have just consulted on the subject < 1118051796 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and beside that, atonal music includes other mechanisms like whole-tone scale music < 1118051837 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wuorinen sees "tonal" as part of "diatonic" and "12-tone" as part of "chromatic" < 1118051847 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so perhaps this esolang idea is based on diatonic music, then < 1118051871 0 :sp3tt!~chatzilla@cust-148-133.elhandel.umeaenergi.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1118051889 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1118051896 0 :sp3tt!~chatzilla@cust-148-133.elhandel.umeaenergi.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1118051923 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :diatonic music is based on scale < 1118051962 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: no < 1118051971 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is based on chromatic < 1118051977 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the idea of melody moving by interval is free from any scale, and not falls in 12-tone < 1118051981 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also. < 1118052003 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's just chromatic < 1118052009 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the programmer is free to make it as tonal as he likes < 1118052042 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular, whatever the other instructions are < 1118052044 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :becuase he/she can choose from major and minor 3rd interval < 1118052058 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :, for example. < 1118052061 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have decided to make major/minor second a "skip the next interval" instruction < 1118052101 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(an instruction like that is necessary so the voice stays within some reasonable frequency range) < 1118052105 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: do going-up and going-down indicate different instructions? < 1118052111 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, don't think so < 1118052121 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1118052126 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which leaves room for very few instructions really < 1118052155 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's ok since they'll have arguments < 1118052187 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you say a skip the next interval instruction, how about skipping the next n intervals? < 1118052202 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's too much < 1118052206 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1118052216 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just make the next interval (after the skipped one) again a second < 1118052228 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can write a lot with that < 1118052236 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i just tried :)) < 1118052249 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: how do you plan about note duration? < 1118052254 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not meaningful < 1118052278 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(otherwise it will be practically impossible to make it sound good) < 1118052368 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno what storage model could work < 1118052377 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps each voice has its own memory or something < 1118052392 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a stack... < 1118052673 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, the parameters have memory different from the operation's memory? < 1118052699 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no clue < 1118052759 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway good night < 1118052873 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good night < 1118052875 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good night < 1118052993 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1118054106 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moin < 1118054121 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : we need a PD Piet program to use as a logo < 1118054156 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used the hello.png Piet program with permission from the author; he was very happy that it was used for something < 1118054209 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(used in ) < 1118054238 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : do you know of a graphics editor that'd be good for piet? < 1118054257 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe npiet works: http://www.bertnase.de/npiet/ < 1118054337 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : by the way, what was it you found, again, about a language with a single queue being TC? < 1118054425 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie gave this link: http://jackson.cs.miami.edu/~burt/papers/1993.1/Saq-JAIIO-2.ps < 1118055225 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got http://puzzlet.org/html/jsaheui_en.html done < 1118055298 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1118055448 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I know what button to press, thanks :) < 1118055502 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my pleasure < 1118056030 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find it still a bit hard to use < 1118056047 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially since I can't type Hangul < 1118056311 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the link to the language description, again? < 1118056467 0 :puzzlet_!~puzzlet@61.247.148.38 JOIN :#esoteric < 1118056740 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, all I could try is Hello, world < 1118056985 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what os do you use? < 1118057005 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :windows in this case < 1118057097 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you configure to use Korean input system? < 1118057127 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1118057134 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :puzzlet < 1118057206 0 :DMM!DMM@203-206-51-20.dyn.iinet.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1118057209 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are external Hangul input system like saenaru and ngs, but i'm worrying either of them haven't been translated into English.. < 1118057216 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm afraid not, and even if I can, I'm afraid of doing it and not being able to return to normal < 1118057224 0 :DMM!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :evening all < 1118057238 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :evening? familiar timezone :) < 1118057242 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1118057248 0 :DMM!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sydney :-) < 1118057253 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :South Korea < 1118057278 0 :DMM!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just got an email about the esolang wiki... < 1118057305 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you use X window system, i recommend to use nabi. < 1118057305 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://nabi.kldp.net/ < 1118057305 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as the Hangul input system < 1118057305 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup, lament sent it if I'm right < 1118057358 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta go for a dinner < 1118057422 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DMM: thanks for your permission to use the hellobig.png as a logo, btw < 1118057430 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/logo/image/ < 1118057459 0 :DMM!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, I'm still writing my reply granting permission... :-) < 1118057494 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, I mean here: http://www.formauri.es/personal/pgimeno/compurec/EsotericLanguages.png < 1118057502 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was quite a while ago < 1118057504 0 :DMM!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! right :-) < 1118057511 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1118057518 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.formauri.es/personal/pgimeno/compurec/EsotericLanguages.php < 1118057768 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way, I have abused the idea on your BIT language and made up Bitxtreme: http://www.formauri.es/personal/pgimeno/prog/esoteric/Bitxtreme.php < 1118057780 0 :DMM!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooh < 1118057874 0 :DMM!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rofl... I like the file extension < 1118057929 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it's a joke language to ironize about the lack of space for writing complex programs in some space-limited languages, especially Malbolge < 1118057988 0 :DMM!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh... that's great. I like the fact you zip all four sample programs for convenience... < 1118058031 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1118058172 0 :DMM!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does zip really make a 562 byte file out of those? < 1118058211 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what it did when I compressed them < 1118058265 0 :DMM!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1118058562 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, I'm not sure if you're aware that there's been a recent incorporation of 99bob in Chef to de 99bob page < 1118058565 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/de/the/ < 1118058684 0 :DMM!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard from the guy who was writing it, didn't know he'd finished < 1118058814 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are two versions actually by two different people who submitted them independently and within a few hours < 1118058950 0 :DMM!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, that's a nice program :-) < 1118059068 0 :DMM!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sous-chef one < 1118059468 0 :DMM!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION heads off... getting late here
< 1118059512 0 :DMM!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1118060167 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Noooo... I missed David Morgan-Mar :( < 1118060415 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sorry, sp3tt < 1118060438 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stupid lunch... < 1118060626 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what the most complex program written in shakespeare is... < 1118062579 0 :kipple!~kipple@163.80-202-100.nextgentel.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1118063235 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back. < 1118063252 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i could provide a graphical Hangul input system for that interpreter... < 1118067238 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :While totally unrelated to esoteric programming, to me this is exciting, so I shall scream it out... I IMPLEMENTED ENCRYPTION INTO DIRECTNET!!!! YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY! < 1118067290 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is directnet? what encryption? < 1118069152 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I answered myself about directnet. < 1118070431 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, what's the status of the logo? < 1118070523 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I played a bit with paint shop pro, and a some spoofs of the MediaWiki logo < 1118070529 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rune.krokodille.com/lang/esologo1.png < 1118070536 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rune.krokodille.com/lang/esologo2.png < 1118070539 0 :malaprop!~ph@ppp-68-251-59-237.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1118070563 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the MediaWiki logo: http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/w/skins/common/images/wiki.png < 1118070717 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh. "made some spoofs", i meant to say < 1118071006 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kipple: apparently DMM replied to lament by email < 1118071071 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like esologo2.png more < 1118071173 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :put them all on one page: file://slartibartfast/rune/www/lang/logos.html < 1118071269 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the idea of using a Piet program, but the ones I've seen so far are a bit ugly, IMHO < 1118071278 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, check that last URL :) < 1118071292 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha. sorry < 1118071320 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rune.krokodille.com/lang/logos.html < 1118071328 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :added two more < 1118071611 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still like the last one more than the rest < 1118071657 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is reading the Piet spec...
< 1118071790 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seen the npiet link I've given above? < 1118071805 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1118071836 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.bertnase.de/npiet/ < 1118071881 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it comes with a tcl/tk editor < 1118071911 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice :) < 1118072043 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice code gallery on that page too < 1118072107 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1118077661 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Chatzilla 0.9.68a [Firefox 1.0.4/20050511]" < 1118077708 0 :sp3tt!~chatzilla@lite-148-133.umenet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1118078088 0 :comet_11!Sanity@dialup-13.105.221.203.acc51-kent-syd.comindico.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1118078131 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1118085338 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hola < 1118085464 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hola < 1118085563 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :здравствулте! (or so says Babelfish) < 1118085576 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah, DMM replied to me as i'm sure you're aware < 1118085598 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: that's strange, it's fine but one letter is misspelled < 1118085613 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1118085613 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't be a grammar-based typo either < 1118085626 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably wrong dict or something < 1118085654 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the program i asked DMM about to use is a logo isn't helloworld btw < 1118085659 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the fibonacci one < 1118085671 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the npiet page says the program is broken... < 1118085703 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't notice that < 1118085718 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.bertnase.de/npiet/picture.html < 1118085782 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see < 1118085800 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what that means exactly < 1118085812 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me neither < 1118085841 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems npiet and piet reference implementation don't interpret the piet specification the same way < 1118085996 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed that's noted and there's an example with the differences < 1118086043 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at the bottom of the page you've given) < 1118086081 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite < 1118086315 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in malbolge, the discrepancies between the spec and the interpreter were resolved in favor of the interpreter < 1118087105 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, has anybody looked at Aura? < 1118087203 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems that all that exists is an undocumented interpreter < 1118087493 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: yes please < 1118087500 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(now i need to catch up on this log) < 1118087571 0 :malaprop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c < 1118087698 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: re: do SMITH and Muriel count as self-modifying? ... in a loose sense, I'd say say... yes... but the sense is very loose (Muriel program need to make modified copies of themselves to do interesting stuff, and SMITH only really needs to append to itself, not (strictly) modify... < 1118087779 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :re one bignum... my understanding is an FSA + two counters (bignums) is TC. < 1118087801 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so maybe a rational bignum...?) < 1118088189 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1118088199 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://z3.ca/~lament/smetana_sf.tar.gz < 1118088267 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aura seems interesting < 1118088274 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if it can possibly be useful < 1118088627 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: ty < 1118088676 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay! < 1118088693 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: it's in my to-look list < 1118088839 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Chatzilla 0.9.68a [Firefox 1.0.4/20050511]" < 1118088882 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-lilo/Wallops- Hmmm, check the links on ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists , perhaps congratulations are in order! < 1118088901 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently Sarge is finally out < 1118088990 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it is, it's insanely hard to program < 1118088995 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't think so < 1118089020 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the interpreter is a pain to read < 1118089036 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty simple < 1118089071 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instructions are taken by character mod 8, if I understand it correctly < 1118089075 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1118089195 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hates programs made up of just one-letter vars
< 1118089237 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes away
< 1118089253 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :later < 1118094260 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :From: Lode Vandevenne < 1118094262 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The university page will indeed be gone in a few years, too bad, it's such < 1118094262 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :handy free webspace. < 1118094262 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feel free to host a copy of it for preservation. Normally I'll also have my < 1118094262 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :own webspace one day, but not yet, so it's a good idea to make a copy. < 1118094286 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION commits his page into the svn repos
< 1118094315 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Lode Vandevenne is the author of gammaplex) < 1118095293 0 :comet_11!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :CXI < 1118098024 0 :graue!~graue@ip68-100-130-21.dc.dc.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1118098094 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :new db backup at http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/db/esolang-050606.sql.bz2 < 1118098147 0 :malaprop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: Ah, been wanting to ask you. What's the schedule for those? Daily or weekly? And for the files repos? < 1118098223 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: nice < 1118098231 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the schedule is whenever i make them < 1118098237 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about the files, what was the update frequency? < 1118098273 0 :malaprop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought the point of this scheme was to eliminate the possibility of losing everything because someone loses interest? How about a cron job instead? < 1118098304 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :malaprop: I was just about to say that ;) < 1118098336 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We create this thing so that it can sort of automatically back itself up, and now we're relying on humans? No offense graue, but you are human. < 1118098374 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i'm insulted! < 1118098391 0 :malaprop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And for dates, YYYYMMDD has the benefit of being ISO and common. < 1118098415 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: PATHETIC FLESH-BAG!!! < 1118098421 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1118098425 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1118098561 0 :malaprop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: Would you like a hand setting up cron jobs? < 1118098766 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no thanks, i can do it < 1118098794 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm trying to figure out how to allow anonymous svn read access so you can back up the files repo < 1118098884 0 :malaprop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Having svn read access does not allow you to recreate the repository, you'll need to take an 'svnadmin dump'. < 1118098958 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that history is needed < 1118098988 0 :malaprop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's in svn, I want the history. I know someone will definitely end up using it. < 1118099043 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I think it's svn just because it can't be ftp, so it's svn used as ftp < 1118099083 0 :malaprop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: I know. But since it's in version control, it's just a matter of time until someone uses versioning. < 1118099126 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe, but I hope not... < 1118099163 0 :malaprop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: It'll probably happen about a day after the first person who wasn't here for the planning discussion is given access. < 1118099274 0 :malaprop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gotta run, can pick up the discussion in ~2.5h. < 1118099287 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :later malaprop < 1118099783 0 :lindi-!~lindi@kulho150.adsl.netsonic.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1118100168 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the history isn < 1118100170 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'t needed < 1118100534 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: I commited some files a while ago; when are they expected to show up? < 1118100600 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a while ago = 1.5 h ago < 1118100629 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are expected to show up within 6.5 hours then < 1118100646 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1118100704 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about the svn: how do I get access? anonymous read access would be nice, but I'd like write access... < 1118100795 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a generic user account for this project, or do we get personal? < 1118100963 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's personal < 1118101168 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kipple: read my private message < 1118101190 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry. not paying attention... ;) < 1118101795 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone should now be able to "svn co http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/svn/esofiles/" and get everything < 1118101891 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :works nice :) < 1118101924 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool! < 1118101992 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed it's accessible via browser: http://www.esolangs.org/svn/esofiles/ < 1118102017 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very cool indeed < 1118102028 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you open an HTML file it shows the source, and that doesn't have dates, filesizes... < 1118102070 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1118102072 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, want an account for writing with? < 1118102192 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: sure < 1118102225 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :question: do I have to set file permissions for files I add, or does svn take care of that? < 1118102344 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :svn doesn't handle permissions, just executable < 1118102344 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. I ran svn commit but nothing seem to happen.. < 1118102364 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so I have to set read access to all on every file I add? < 1118102369 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first try svn status and see what you have