00:34:28 -!- kipple has joined. 00:34:39 evenin' 00:34:46 hi kipple 00:35:14 Gregor: there are now 2 articles in the OO category :) 00:39:28 -!- graue has joined. 00:40:44 hi_graue 00:41:52 hi calamari 00:42:33 * calamari notes that the Monobook "wikipedia" skin looks a lot better than 'classic' :) 00:42:42 yeah. I use that one 00:43:21 IMHO it should be the standard skin as it is the one used by wikipedia, and therefore probably most familiar to users 00:44:25 graue: is there a special page like Special:WantedPages that'll show even single links to pages that haven't been made yet? 00:45:25 also, I'm wondering why there is both a Category:languages page and language_list.. can the language_list page go away? 00:46:33 in theory. but not as long as categorization is not complete 00:47:22 would be nice to have some weapons of mass-categorization... 00:48:32 that shouldn't be hard to do.. I can just click each page and add [[Category:Languages]] 00:51:01 actually, what would be better is to leave both pages for now, and only delete items off the language list when a real categorization is complete 00:51:37 then the language_list will finally be empty 00:52:38 the Language list needs to stay 00:53:04 (IMHO, anyway) 00:53:44 the language list is nice because it can contain languages that doesn't have an article yet 00:55:16 wish there was an automatic way to have it be added to the language list.. I've created a few language articles and never updated the list 01:08:38 -!- lindi- has quit (brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 01:09:45 -!- lindi- has joined. 01:13:07 -!- graue has left (?). 01:21:47 I updated the HQ9++ page and the main page (hope nobody minds 8-D) 01:23:07 why should anybody mind? that is the purpose of a wiki after all 01:50:21 GregorR: I've edited your edit :) 01:59:28 bbl 01:59:30 -!- calamari has quit ("Leaving"). 02:02:38 hmm. should TMMLPTEALPAITAFNFAL be categorized as nondeterministic? 02:08:43 on second thought, I think not 02:25:04 -!- kipple has left (?). 02:38:45 -!- calamari has joined. 02:56:03 -!- graue has joined. 03:46:23 -!- wooby has joined. 03:46:51 hio 03:48:31 -!- calamari has quit (Connection timed out). 04:10:58 -!- graue has left (?). 04:42:29 -!- malaprop has quit ("quit"). 05:12:19 -!- calamari has joined. 05:16:54 -!- calamari has left (?). 05:21:59 -!- calamari has joined. 05:22:01 hi 05:35:29 BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHA 05:35:30 Hi mean hi. 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 08:31:21 -!- calamari has quit ("Leaving"). 08:55:10 -!- comet_11 has joined. 08:55:17 -!- CXI has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)). 08:55:46 -!- comet_11 has changed nick to CXI. 09:43:36 -!- CXI has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 10:02:03 -!- CXI has joined. 10:08:33 -!- CXI has quit ("If you're reading this, it's probably x-chat's fault."). 10:08:43 -!- CXI has joined. 12:03:04 -!- J|x has joined. 12:13:09 -!- J|x has changed nick to jix. 12:18:14 <{^Raven^}> morning peeps 12:20:35 moin 12:22:58 <{^Raven^}> have had some really good ideas for BFBASIC but don't have the necessary Java skill to program em :( 12:24:49 -!- kipple has joined. 12:25:41 <{^Raven^}> hi 12:25:59 hello 12:34:42 -!- J|x has joined. 12:35:20 -!- jix has quit (Nick collision from services.). 12:35:22 -!- J|x has changed nick to jix. 13:00:02 -!- {^Raven^} has changed nick to Penance. 13:00:23 -!- Penance has changed nick to {^Raven^}. 13:22:26 -!- malaprop has joined. 15:29:59 -!- smott has left (?). 15:33:47 -!- tokigun has joined. 15:58:24 -!- Keymaker has joined. 15:58:46 'ello 15:59:04 raven: who says it must be done in java? 16:01:17 i need cola 16:01:28 * Keymaker thinks about going to store 16:01:41 * Keymaker decides not to go yet 16:02:52 <{^Raven^}> Keymaker: BFBASIC is written in Java so alterations to it need to be in Java too 16:03:03 yes, i know that 16:03:44 what kind of features they are? 16:04:33 <{^Raven^}> so far I have SELECT CASE/WHEN/OTHERWISE/END SELECT worked out 16:04:54 {^Raven^}: any url to BFBASIC sources? 16:05:02 <{^Raven^}> CASE is nestable. FOR ... STEP for +ve/-ve steps 16:05:17 ok 16:05:23 <{^Raven^}> Code libraries and source split over multiple files 16:05:31 <{^Raven^}> Named functions and procedures 16:05:57 <{^Raven^}> and string support which is so badly needed 16:07:25 <{^Raven^}> lindi-: http://sourceforge.net/projects/brainfuck/ the source is in the CVS 16:07:41 -!- wooby has quit. 16:08:02 i tried http://lilly.csoft.net/~jeffryj/compilers/bfbasic/bfbasic.zip -- that is older? 16:08:36 <{^Raven^}> Calamari's page ^^ has 1.30 and 1.40 is on sourceforge 16:08:47 ok 16:09:17 <{^Raven^}> I just think that it sucks that I could add all these if it was in a language I was more familiar with 16:10:10 <{^Raven^}> named functions and procedures will be able to have parameters too ;) 16:10:38 <{^Raven^}> it will mean that libraries of useful BFBASIC routines could be written and INCLUDEd in user code 16:49:15 hmm 16:57:11 <{^Raven^}> Keymaker: hmm? 16:57:49 hm. 16:58:10 that is, i can't find how you can check if file exists (in python) 16:59:15 as well, i'm hungry and thirsty 17:00:04 <{^Raven^}> keymaker: http://diveintopython.org/file_handling/ seems to have some info on that 17:00:54 Keymaker: how about this: 17:00:56 try: 17:01:04 file = open('file.txt') 17:01:10 # do stuff with file 17:01:13 except: 17:01:17 #print error 17:01:33 ok 17:01:47 should catch IOError and make sure that the errno is 2 just to be specific 17:01:59 ? 17:02:03 what is errno? 17:02:15 an attribute of the exception object 17:02:38 pull up the interpreter and do 'open("foo")' so you can see the exact exception that's thrown, then catch only that. 17:04:14 oah 17:04:25 now i see 17:07:17 You just don't want to accidentally catch other exceptions is all. 17:30:57 -!- harkeyahh has joined. 17:31:28 ok, i'll go to store now 17:31:30 bbl 17:44:22 well, i didn't go 18:01:46 -!- kipple has quit ("See you later"). 18:03:15 -!- fizzie has quit (brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 18:05:09 -!- fizzie has joined. 18:05:41 -!- fizzie_ has joined. 18:05:41 -!- fizzie has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 18:07:48 -!- kipple has joined. 18:22:05 -!- fizzie_ has changed nick to fizzie. 18:27:03 -!- jix has quit ("This computer has gone to sleep"). 18:43:41 -!- kipple has quit (Remote closed the connection). 18:53:15 hehe, i made up a new esolang 18:53:17 http://koti.mbnet.fi/yiap/stuff/unnecessary.html 19:10:47 Hm, shouldn't the source files exist but be 0b? 19:15:21 No, that would make the source file necessary. 19:15:38 Ah, I see. 19:16:15 <{^Raven^}> But necessary[1] is a different language. [1] Hypothetical sister language to unnecessary 19:20:48 Keymaker: good esolang ;) 19:39:06 -!- jix has joined. 19:44:34 back 19:45:42 hehe, cheers 19:56:47 i have an idea for a graphical (esoteric.. but writeable) language 19:57:00 what kind of? 19:57:50 you arrange your program using elements and conect them using.. wires and it has anonymous functions .. and there are no function names.. just symbols 19:58:08 that'd be cool 20:06:51 wow wow wow wow awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 20:07:17 a game i didn't back then couldn't finish or play properly when i had crappy computer, and then forgot it for years, 20:07:32 and now when reading jurassic park books thought i could try again, 20:07:41 jix: Sounds neat, and a lot like my mental picture of programming. 20:07:44 seems to be editable with cool editors that fnas have made 20:07:54 *fans 20:08:01 bbl 20:08:03 -!- Keymaker has left (?). 20:09:34 jix: aardappel has written a bunch of those, look on his page 20:09:41 well, they do have names iirc 20:10:33 I believe i had made a language very similar to Keymaker's, year ago 20:10:35 *years 20:10:41 Called ZEN 20:11:33 lament: where is aardappel's page? 20:11:34 The coolest part about ZEN was that ZEN programs execute themselves 20:11:51 http://wouter.fov120.com/ 20:12:02 his languages are at http://wouter.fov120.com/proglang/index.html 20:12:20 thanks 20:12:25 lament: i know aardappel and i my brother even knows someone who knows the author of aardappel but my language is different (i think so) 20:12:40 jix: not the language aardappel, the person aardappel 20:12:54 jix: who is probably the person your brother knows :) 20:13:18 i must miss read that.. 20:13:34 he's like, the saint and the founding father of esoteric languages 20:13:38 and cpressey is his prophet 20:13:43 he also used to come here 20:13:46 the language and the person 20:13:48 oh, the cube guy 20:13:54 Wouter van Oortmerssen aka Aardappel 20:13:59 Languages: Aardappel, Bla, E, Fals.... 20:14:12 whoa 20:14:17 he wrote False too? 20:14:34 exactly 20:14:36 that's awesome 20:14:55 yes.. i wouldn't know that my brother knows... if he didn't come in atm i was viewing the false page 20:15:01 CXI: yeah, he's a genius 20:15:46 but usually people just talk about Cube to point that out; not his programming languages 20:16:11 Cube's pretty cool, but I wouldn't call it genius material 20:16:59 well, whom else do you know who wrote something of that scope by himself? 20:17:42 what, a fps? 20:17:52 not necessarily an fps 20:20:29 Cube looks very neat. Wish I wasn't at work, heh. 20:20:35 heh 20:20:38 it's pretty cool 20:20:47 unfortunately the physics engine is basically a giant hack :D 20:20:56 oh? 20:21:17 a friend and I had a look at using it for an fps 20:21:29 but it got pretty difficult when we realised how much of the physics code we'd need to rewrite 20:23:02 it was pretty impressive nonetheless 20:23:30 Why was the physics engine unsuitable for your needs? 20:24:13 we wanted to do more interesting things with it... object motion, friction against different surfaces, variable gravity 20:25:29 the actual engine is sorta... add a bit here, add a bit there, multiply by a number that sounds good, add a bunch of special cases 20:25:42 which works fine for the game itself 20:25:48 Ah, I dig. 20:25:48 but extending it can be hard 20:37:00 -!- Keymaker has joined. 20:37:16 f**k s**t x{ 20:37:26 the cd is lost! 20:37:30 fuckfuck? 20:37:35 "x{"? 20:37:41 emoticon 20:37:47 <{^Raven^}> X( = angry 20:37:47 the cd of which game? 20:37:54 ah, thought it was just a really short swear you censored 20:37:58 jurassic park trespasser 20:38:05 fck 20:38:10 only cd i have lost 20:38:20 and i was sure i had seen it lately 20:38:24 really annoying 20:38:35 just when i was about to play it 20:38:48 and just when i found out that there are level editors and stuff for it thesedays 20:38:59 just ten minutes ago i found that out 20:39:02 I can't find a whole lot of my CDs :( 20:39:04 and can't find that cd 20:39:05 :( 20:39:10 now i have to buy it again 20:39:15 RGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 20:39:15 specifically, my Whitlams CD and my copy of Freespace 20:39:17 download it? 20:39:22 i can't 20:39:38 CXI: how many CDs do you have? :S 20:39:44 a zillion 20:39:49 oh. 20:40:06 (be warned that number may not be exact) 20:40:15 :) 20:40:21 it's really annoying 20:40:37 if i could download and so on, i would probably do that, since i've bought the game before 20:40:42 CXI: If you want another copy of Freespace, ask me in a couple days when I'm home and I'll see if I have it to rip for you. 20:41:21 well, at least i have two of those nice game boxes featuring a velociraptor 20:41:46 oh, and probably i can't find it anywhere since it's probably 5 years old game 20:41:49 * Keymaker dies 20:41:59 * {^Raven^} only ever uses the original disk as the backup and a copy of it for playing 20:42:13 that'd be clever, I should do that instead 20:42:17 14:43:03 * {^Raven^} only ever uses the original disk as the backup and a copy 20:42:24 oops, pardon 20:42:51 there's this pattern 20:43:00 every time I delete a game off my hard drive the original CD goes missing 20:43:24 <{^Raven^}> most publishers offer replacement CDs for a small charge 20:44:51 i'm so annoyed. i'll go hunting the game tomorrow. let's hope some small pc store still has copy (for extra low price) 21:37:36 -!- wooby has joined. 21:54:04 -!- wooby has quit. 22:30:22 -!- jix has quit ("Banned from network"). 22:30:40 -!- CXI has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 22:30:41 -!- comet_11 has joined. 22:33:13 -!- comet_11 has changed nick to CXI. 23:16:50 -!- harkeyahh has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). 23:23:16 -!- harkeyahh has joined.