< 1122336402 0 :BigZaphod!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :
< 1122336564 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: valgrind reports a couple of errors (use of uninitialized values mostly, but also reads/writes which are out-of-bounds)
< 1122336610 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes uninitialized values that is a bug
< 1122336623 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's why mandelbrot.b moves <0
< 1122336627 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh
< 1122336650 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, that was the bug with bff too
< 1122336680 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: thanks for testing. Have you tried the patch which also replaces n with (n+1)?
< 1122337035 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I didn't know there was a new patch, where can I find it?
< 1122337103 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in the same place, http://www.formauri.es/personal/pgimeno/temp/bff.patch
< 1122337117 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first version just added the memset's
< 1122337171 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I realized there was a problem at end of program, thus the n+1
< 1122337341 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/thus/hence/
< 1122337721 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :updated a new version
< 1122337792 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: can you test it with valgrind?
< 1122337867 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure
< 1122338014 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :things have changed; now uninitialized memory access no longer occurs but the out-of-bounds access is still happening
< 1122338032 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grmpf
< 1122338050 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try hello-world
< 1122338071 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sec, I've just recompiled with -O0 -g
< 1122338137 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first line is mandelbrot.c:338
< 1122338159 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :m[-7]+=m[29];
< 1122338215 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :narf
< 1122338221 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no errors on hello-world
< 1122338248 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm why does it work here and on keymakers computer but not on your
< 1122338261 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not on lindi's (with gcc 4 with 2 it works)
< 1122338262 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it *does* work here, it's just valgrind complaining
< 1122338277 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: mandelbrot does work?
< 1122338281 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1122338300 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it writes in an OOB address, which is dangerous
< 1122338310 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OOB?
< 1122338314 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :out of bounds
< 1122338314 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :out-of-bounds
< 1122338338 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably lindi's libc can make a difference, since the problem can be malloc-related
< 1122338355 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you tell me the position of m and m_srt?
< 1122338367 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was about to launch the debugger
< 1122338380 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but expect the same as what lindi reported
< 1122338413 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(gdb) print m
< 1122338413 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$1 = (unsigned char *) 0x1ba43026 ""
< 1122338413 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(gdb) print m_srt
< 1122338413 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$2 = (unsigned char *) 0x1ba43028 ""
< 1122338440 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah
< 1122338457 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno, bff still doesn't work for me
< 1122338476 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i adjust the m start value for m[-7]
< 1122338484 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: strange; now it works for jix
< 1122338504 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: what setup?
< 1122338525 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc 3.2.3, win32
< 1122338528 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if it accesses -7 for m < m_min it's mandebrot.b's fault
< 1122338549 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I run it on brquine.b it prints a - and then freezes
< 1122338565 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I run it on rot13.b it works until I press Ctrl-Z and Enter (end of file on win32), then it freezes
< 1122338573 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :run on random.b, it seems to work
< 1122338585 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :numwarp.b seems to work, without issue
< 1122338596 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dquine.b seems to work
< 1122338617 0 :{^Raven^}!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: i'll have to make mine better
< 1122338626 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: tried mandelbrot?
< 1122338645 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{^Raven^}: i too
< 1122338646 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mandelbrot is seemingly working okay
< 1122338650 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{^Raven^}: guess so, but don't blame me, I'm just doing some timings :)
< 1122338663 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mandelbrot works fine, and very fast
< 1122338668 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: oh! ok
< 1122338688 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I misunderstood you since I thought that it also failed
< 1122338701 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hadn't tried mandelbrot with it
< 1122338743 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving"
< 1122338755 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are these from http://esoteric.sange.fi/brainfuck/bf-source/prog/ ?
< 1122338771 0 :kipple__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1122338795 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're from www.esolangs.org/files/brainfuck/src
< 1122338802 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1122339021 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, brquine.b fails here too
< 1122339036 0 :{^Raven^}!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: very nice
< 1122339110 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: btw, valgrind reports an access to a position which is 9 bytes before the allocated block, just as expected
< 1122339111 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{^Raven^}: wait for stage 3 (not that the output is a lot faster with stage 3..but hey it's more code)
< 1122339143 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: mandelbrot works with it.
< 1122339157 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so my compiler does only the things mandelbrot says.
< 1122339173 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if m<m_min it's mandelbrot's fault
< 1122339191 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: if m_srt is the start of memory, then I assure you that mandelbrot.b does not do any OOB access
< 1122339206 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've almost got my compile-to-memory interpreter working, loops are a bit screwy right now.
< 1122339214 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :m_srt is start of memory
< 1122339233 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :m_min is the min position of m (only for debug reasons)
< 1122339258 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my interpreter would report an attempt of <'ing at position 0 and it doesn't happen
< 1122339260 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if m>=m_min it will never access OOB memory
< 1122339283 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i don't know what happens
< 1122339304 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the output 100% correct?
< 1122339319 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me check
< 1122339411 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm running collatz.rb in dbfi
< 1122339434 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :collatz.b
< 1122339492 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the output is correct
< 1122339540 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: can you check on what line m moves under m_min ?
< 1122339548 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbfi in dbfi!
< 1122339584 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: that's harder to do, I don't know gdb that well
< 1122339633 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1122339678 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, my compile-to-memory compiler segfaults for all non-trivial programs.
< 1122339681 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's good >_>
< 1122339731 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice, now you can say you're not using the wrong algorithm
< 1122339772 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If your program works at first attempt, you're probably using the wrong algorithm"
< 1122339806 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1122339860 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that doesn't logically imply "If your program fails at first attempt, you're probably not using the wrong algorithm"
< 1122339898 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a way to get the current line number in c?
< 1122339903 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :__LINE__?
< 1122339943 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can use __LINE__ and the preprocessor will put in the line number for you, but I'm not sure what header file that requires
< 1122339966 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems to work without headers
< 1122340000 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :line 50 moves m < m_min
< 1122340046 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define REALLOC if(m<m_min)printf("\n\n%i\n\n",__LINE__);\
< 1122340070 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats line 49 for you
< 1122340125 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but it's not troublesome
< 1122340132 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the loop that starts at 3:11 in mandelbrot.b
< 1122340156 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say the trouble is caused by line 333
< 1122340162 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1122340185 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1122340213 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :line 49 moves m<m_min that's moving the pointer over the end of the tape
< 1122340264 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not a problem if no access to that address occurs
< 1122340274 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but it's illegal in brainfuck
< 1122340284 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and your interpreter sais it doesn't move over the end of the tape
< 1122340293 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but my compiler sais it does.
< 1122340322 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if your compiler keeps always m in range then yes, it's illegal, but I didn't know if that was the case
< 1122340350 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1122340353 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your compiler might want to keep m temporarily out of range for optimization or something
< 1122340356 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm wrong your right
< 1122340373 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: i only check for read's and write's
< 1122340399 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what valgrind does and it reports a problem on line 338
< 1122340471 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :outch
< 1122340473 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've an idea
< 1122340475 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that helps, moving line 340 at the top of that while seemed to fix the problem
< 1122340492 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it still work?
< 1122340503 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1122340518 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't checked if the output is exactly the same though
< 1122340532 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean moving line 30 to before line 337
< 1122340537 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/30/340/
< 1122340577 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1122340596 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now the same problem happens in line 702
< 1122340615 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and others)
< 1122340621 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i know how to fix it
< 1122340647 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just noticed another bug that slows down(but isn't harmfull)
< 1122340651 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i have to sleep now
< 1122340666 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too
< 1122340676 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Bitte waehlen Sie eine Beerdigungnachricht"
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< 1122343797 0 :BigZaphod!~BigZaphod@dyvl-01-0198.dsl.iowatelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1122343804 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi BigZaphod
< 1122343822 0 :BigZaphod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey
< 1122343926 0 :BigZaphod!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit
< 1122346639 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was a thrilling conversation 8-D
< 1122347820 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
< 1122347824 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES YES YES YES YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
< 1122347830 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :egobfc2m just ran mandelbrot!!!!!!!!!!1
< 1122347855 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eat my DUST bff!!!!
< 1122347856 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compiles to machinecode?
< 1122347859 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup
< 1122347881 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :congratulations
< 1122347889 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now you can make pa-risc and sparc64 versions :)
< 1122347901 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I set it up so that it would be relatively easy.
< 1122347904 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To port that is.
< 1122347907 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1122347938 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, my only access to PA-RISC and ULTRASPARC boxes are at work, and I don't think they'd like me comendeering them for Brainfuck :)
< 1122347949 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn, Lost Kingdom segfaults :(
< 1122348050 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, hehe, I just didn't give it a big enough program buffer ... (/me remakes the resizing stuff)
< 1122348188 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is PA-RISC used for?
< 1122348231 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :People who are unwilling to give up their antiquated ways :)
< 1122348242 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're on their way out for the most part.
< 1122348253 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, damn
< 1122348266 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a cool non-i386-like architecture that isn't on its way out?
< 1122348292 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool implies non-i386-like :)
< 1122348309 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HPUX moved to IA64.
< 1122348314 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I disagree, AMD64 is non-i386-like, but somewhat cool
< 1122348318 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean
< 1122348320 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/is/isn't/
< 1122348396 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Lost Kingdom use more than 30000 memory tiles?
< 1122348515 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably
< 1122348516 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who knows?
< 1122348533 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately, setting it to 300000 didn't help, so it's clearly my buggy code.
< 1122348547 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you fathom the idea that it may use more than 300000?
< 1122348551 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :give it 2 GB
< 1122348553 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just to be safe
< 1122348557 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1122348562 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lots o' swapping :)
< 1122348571 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you have 4 GB of RAM?
< 1122348577 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the cool kids have at least 4 GB of RAM
< 1122348668 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1122348675 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awww, Gregor isn't a cool kid.
< 1122348775 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, is it worth it to make the memory expand if it halves the speed :(
< 1122348840 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will it become that much slower?
< 1122348971 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only because I have to call an external function ... if I wrote the code into the machine code, it would be fasssssst.
< 1122348974 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But also death.
< 1122349148 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, making a release though it's still unstable ...
< 1122349618 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gregorr.homelinux.org/egobf-0.5.tar.bz2
< 1122349686 0 :int-e!~noone@td9091b58.pool.terralink.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1122351105 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry to spam, but:
< 1122351105 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :time ./egobfi/egobfc2m tests/mandelbrot.b > /dev/null
< 1122351105 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4.81user 0.00system 0:04.82elapsed 99%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 0maxresident)k
< 1122351105 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :time ./bfi/bff.bin tests/mandelbrot.b > /dev/null
< 1122351105 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16.72user 0.01system 0:16.78elapsed 99%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 0maxresident)k
< 1122351202 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, is converting brainfuck to C and then using gcc considered fair?
< 1122351224 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :egobfc2m doesn't do that.
< 1122351234 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It compiles directly into memory and runs it, like java.
< 1122351260 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And actually, many bf->C->bin alternatives are slower than interpreters when you consider compilation time.
< 1122351319 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Thanks to other members of this channel for pointing that out to me btw :) )
< 1122351430 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know. But I get user    0m2.131s for (my) bf2c then gcc and user    0m19.108s for bff :)
< 1122351466 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(using mandelbrot.bf. and producing the same output.)
< 1122351591 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But how much time did it take to compile with gcc?
< 1122351782 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. 5.611s total using -O3. -O1 is fastest and uses 3.821s total (compilation + runtime)
< 1122351838 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I'm still working on producing optimal machine code.
< 1122352053 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep I didn't want to do that so I decided to use C as my target when I wrote that converter.
< 1122352100 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, BF2C is quite nice.
< 1122352110 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not quite insane enough for my taste ;)
< 1122352117 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(awib is a bit too insane for my taste)
< 1122352392 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WOOOH!  Got mandelbrot down to 3sec!
< 1122352443 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you get it down to 0.0 sec?
< 1122352468 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm workin on it ;)
< 1122352474 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have one more optimization in the works.
< 1122352500 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders why bf2c-1.2.3 crashes on mandelbrot.bf. (segfaults)
< 1122352590 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know "chino" was a word? I didn't!
< 1122352615 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a coarse, tough, twilled cotton fabric used for uniforms or sports clothes
< 1122352698 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's quite an esoteric bit of knowledge, graue :)
< 1122352769 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just learned it thanks to my wonderful word guessing game
< 1122352775 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is written in an esoteric language, Perl
< 1122352802 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1122352806 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl, the original brainfuck
< 1122352927 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb
< 1122352935 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, no I won't
< 1122352936 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Donate a manual typewriter to ME for your only hope for a future!"
< 1122352941 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Down to 2.86 ...
< 1122353492 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{^Raven^}: You've foiled EgoBFC2M!!!!  I can't get it to run LostKingdomBF :(
< 1122354327 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH WAIT!!!!!!!!!!!  Does it need 16-bit words?
< 1122354337 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, no it doesn't >_<
< 1122354696 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sob*
< 1122354869 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, the fastest I can get it (still doesn't run Lost Kingdom) http://gregorr.homelinux.org/egobf-0.6.tar.bz2
< 1122355068 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: m<m_srt happens because of that REALLOC
< 1122355092 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i know jix isn't here but i said that so that i don't forget)
< 1122355552 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders
< 1122355661 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are jix's speed tests posted?
< 1122356816 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving"
< 1122358080 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. gregor, maybe realloc()ing the program memory area moves it in memory, invalidating the offsets of the call functions. maybe you could just allocate a new chunk and generate a jump at the end of the previous one instead.
< 1122358176 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I'm not mistaking, I used offset from the beginning of the array, not an exact pointer.
< 1122358185 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pptr is an inaccurate name, it's an index into an array.
< 1122358199 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*mistaken
< 1122358261 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem are the calls to the putchar and getchar wrappers together with the relative addressing of the call routines
< 1122358262 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH, wait.
< 1122358267 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sorry, I see what you're saying.
< 1122358270 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was being dumb there.
< 1122358273 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed you're right.
< 1122358287 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :internal jumps or calls are not an issue.
< 1122358303 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are 100% correct, that is broken.
< 1122358315 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That could very well be the problem with Lost Kingdom :P
< 1122358433 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, my to-c-converter has a bug apparantly - if I answer 'y' to the question for long descriptions, the program gets stuck in an infinite loop (as far as I can tell) :/ and the converter is almost 3 years old, I don't think I can find that bug, it's probably easier to write a new one *g*
< 1122358464 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm - that's what happens when I convert the lostkingdomsbf game
< 1122358470 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, watch Lost Kingdom run perfectly!
< 1122358481 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shoots himself in the foot.
< 1122358528 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not to mention that the converter's runtime suffers from using O(n^2) algorithms)
< 1122358586 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you for the suggestion of making them into multiple functions, that is exactly what I'll do.
< 1122358591 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err, jumps rather.
< 1122360255 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YAY!
< 1122360266 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you very much int-e!  I don't know if I would have noticed that bug.
< 1122360301 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1122361063 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gregorr.homelinux.org/egobf-0.7.tar.bz2
< 1122361105 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's only one problem ...
< 1122361115 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I can't find a BF program significant enough to challenge it :)
< 1122361128 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: mandelbrot.b
< 1122361134 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hardly a challenge.
< 1122361145 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lemme get a time output, just a sec.
< 1122361161 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :time ./egobfi/egobfc2m ./tests/mandelbrot.b > /dev/null
< 1122361161 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.79user 0.00system 0:02.79elapsed 99%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 0maxresident)k
< 1122361173 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For comparison:
< 1122361204 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bff feels really slow now ...
< 1122361215 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but what about BF2C and gcc?
< 1122361221 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :time ./bfi/bff.bin ./tests/mandelbrot.b > /dev/null
< 1122361221 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16.28user 0.00system 0:16.29elapsed 99%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 0maxresident)k
< 1122361228 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just a tick.
< 1122361238 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus compilation time?  -O1?
< 1122361258 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1122361297 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One moment.
< 1122361346 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.00user 0.00system + 1.59user 0.04system + 2.41user 0.00system
< 1122361359 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A bit slower than egobfc2m, but not by a lot.
< 1122361374 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, which bf2c is that?
< 1122361396 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.esolangs.org/files/brainfuck/impl/BF2C.c\
< 1122361403 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without the \...
< 1122361417 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, another one
< 1122361423 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bf2c.sourceforge.net/
< 1122361428 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha
< 1122361435 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(crashes on mandelbrot.b)
< 1122361454 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.inf.tu-dresden.de/~bf3/brainfxxx/bf2c.hs -- my own one
< 1122361455 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;)
< 1122361463 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh, somebody should make sure these interpreters are named uniquely
< 1122361479 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not my fault, I chose that name in 2002 ;)
< 1122361489 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, a bit difficult to convince it to use -O2 >_>
< 1122361552 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*whew*
< 1122361553 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: m<m_srt is possible because line 47 does m+=-9;
< 1122361554 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's mighty fast.
< 1122361566 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait, something borked >_>
< 1122361590 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, BF2C is boring :)
< 1122361599 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could optimize mandelbrot.c to just printf("correct output here....");
< 1122361606 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1122361615 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, it's segfaulting for me ...
< 1122361690 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, let's say BF2C.c is BF2C.c, the bf2c at sourceforge is bf2c.sf, and mine is bf2c.hs - now which one segfaults?
< 1122361695 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I can't get it to not segfault
< 1122361705 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bf2c.sf
< 1122361743 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can remove one pass from bf2c.cc - pt->convertAbsoluteHeader();
< 1122361748 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the one that segfaults
< 1122361754 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it'll still work?
< 1122361756 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION couldn't figure out what it does
< 1122361758 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1122361764 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it
< 1122361769 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an optimization
< 1122361844 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.00user 0.00system + 1.01user 0.03system + 2.29user 0.00system
< 1122361849 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still slower than egobfc2m :)
< 1122361930 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MUAHAHAHAHAHA
< 1122361938 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, sorry, got a little bit zealous there.
< 1122361942 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.inf.tu-dresden.de/~bf3/mandelbrot.c is what bf2c.hs produces (runtime 0.031s here)
< 1122361958 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the runtime for the conversion
< 1122361959 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where's bf2c.hs ?
< 1122361970 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.inf.tu-dresden.de/~bf3/brainfxxx/bf2c.hs
< 1122362009 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that it helps me without the appropriate compiler :P
< 1122362010 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, lesse.
< 1122362011 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's written in haskell, I compiled it using ghc, usage is bf2c < brainfuck-source > c-source. no options.
< 1122362057 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.92user 0.04system + 2.52user 0.00system
< 1122362061 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still not quite :)
< 1122362074 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, but not too bad either :)
< 1122362085 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's great.
< 1122362094 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the time of the compiled program is better.
< 1122362132 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, does anybody here have any non-i386 system that they can compile a simple file on and send back some results?
< 1122362148 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1122362148 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That isn't incidental at all, is it?)
< 1122362203 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sun4u sparc SUNW,Ultra-250
< 1122362207 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could try *g*
< 1122362233 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In egobf-0.7 there's a PORTING file with instructions on how to make ASM-and-hex output I could perhaps use to port egobfc2m.
< 1122362266 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's basically just gcc -O0 -g test.c and objdump -S -t a.out
< 1122362506 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. now where did they hide objdump. grr. I hate SunOS.
< 1122362515 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gobjdump perhaps?
< 1122362531 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's part of binutils, so it ought to be somewhere XD
< 1122362537 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If you have gcc)
< 1122362557 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gobjdump it is, and it's in /opt/sfw/bin where I also found the gcc.
< 1122362566 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes sense.
< 1122362574 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sfw is 'Sun Free Software', IIRC)
< 1122362686 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, sleepitime is soon.
< 1122362693 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.inf.tu-dresden.de/~bf3/dumps.tgz
< 1122362698 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wooh :)
< 1122362704 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-O0, -O1, -O2
< 1122362720 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--> test0.dump, test1.dump, test2.dump
< 1122362741 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good luck :)
< 1122362750 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahhhhhhhhh, RISC :)
< 1122362767 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sparc is a Risc architecture, right.
< 1122362821 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I believe it has delay slots, so beware.
< 1122362843 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Graa.
< 1122362862 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like I said, sleepitime soon - I'll look at this port tomorrow.
< 1122362864 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye.
< 1122362894 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sleep well
< 1122364799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended
< 1122364800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric
< 1122376538 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Bye!"
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< 1122378165 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moin moin
< 1122378196 0 :kipple__!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :kipple
< 1122378374 0 :puzzIet!puzzlet@61.96.162.209 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1122378388 0 :puzzIet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit
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< 1122379376 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1122379450 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been interested about Esolang and tried to make one recently
< 1122379522 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a lauguage with bit variables
< 1122379557 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every characters that you can input are all variables
< 1122379569 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even space, tab, or newline
< 1122379921 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so when you type a character, it'll be identified as a variable, which means we cannot assign any instruction to a specific character
< 1122379982 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how is it possible to program in it?
< 1122379997 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in current specification, patterns of characters, especially repeatation of a specific character will be an instruction
< 1122380095 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all variables are called 'switch', which can be turned on or turned off.
< 1122380116 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to turn on switch 'A', the source code will be: A
< 1122380216 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so when you type A, it's like ~A in C/C++. if 'A' is turned off, typing 'A' will turn on it. if it is turned on, typing 'A' will turn off it.
< 1122380289 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when you type 'AA', it is meaningless, which mean we don't have any chance to type like that when we are to turn on/off the switch.
< 1122380310 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i thought i can assign an instruction to the repeatation of one character.
< 1122380417 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure that people here can understand me, because of my humble English
< 1122380449 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so please feel free to ask or correct me when you can't get me
< 1122380738 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the instruction, started by repeatation of a character, will be bitwise NAND operation, i think.
< 1122380778 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 'AABC' does NAND between B and C and put the result to A
< 1122380821 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :......could this be turing-complete?
< 1122380938 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no because memory is limited to 256bit
< 1122380946 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1122380954 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think we can use UTF-8 in this language
< 1122380997 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...still not infinite switches but i think it's enough
< 1122381019 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You probably need at least some conditional-control-flow thing (a conditional jump or something). But encoding instructions like that should work.
< 1122381055 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha
< 1122381059 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree with you
< 1122381095 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... OISC is turing complete, right?
< 1122381156 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can it do that? i think this language can follow that way
< 1122381204 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The single instruction in OISC (at least one of them) is subtract-and-branch-if-negative, so you can use it for both arithmetics and control flow.
< 1122381261 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that 'branch' does something related to control flow?
< 1122381346 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a jump, basically.
< 1122381403 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then how about assigning 'NAND-and-branch-if-negative' to 'AABC'?
< 1122381432 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh.. you need to be able to tell it where in code to branch to.
< 1122381460 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you could devote some of the registers to serve as the "destination address" field for that instruction.
< 1122381474 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i need at least 5 letters to do that
< 1122381483 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, 'AABCD'
< 1122381496 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AA will be instruction, and BCD is operand...
< 1122381611 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could have a fixed "memory location" (like registers '0'-'9') indicating where 'AABC' should jump. Then you'd just do  15789AABC  to possibly-jump.
< 1122381659 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(With a single-bit register you can only specify two addresses. That might be a _bit_ too limited. (Gahh, the horrible pun.)
< 1122381679 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds good too but i don't want to assign a letter to be something special. i want every characters to be impartial.
< 1122381719 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, when you make a source code and replace every 'A' to '#' and '#' to 'A', it will still work
< 1122381729 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. Then you just need to use enough bit-registers as operands for the jump command.
< 1122381732 0 :grimace_!~grim@213-152-53-111.dsl.eclipse.net.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1122381764 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jumps could be realtive
< 1122381777 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like that
< 1122381787 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there must be some labels
< 1122381810 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which indicates the place to jump
< 1122381849 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A definitely sick syntax would be to use AABCD, AAABCDE, AAAABCDEF, ... (with 'D', 'DE', 'DEF' being the relative adddress to jump to)
< 1122381867 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That way for short jumps the instruction would be shorter.
< 1122381876 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you end the relative adress with two identical characters
< 1122381884 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, that works too.
< 1122381907 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like AABCDEE would A=B nand C if true jump to DE
< 1122381934 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why do i need 2 Es?
< 1122381947 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gs30ng: because it says that the instruction ends
< 1122381960 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can use AABCDEFGG to jump to DEFG, then.
< 1122381973 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think we don't need that
< 1122381984 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like AABCD is enough
< 1122382005 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A=B nand C and if false jump to first D after this instruction
< 1122382059 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't want to assign a instruction-terminating instruction;;; there would be too much repeatation
< 1122382062 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatif i want to jump backwards
< 1122382100 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :idea: search the nearest D in both direction
< 1122382128 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i can make a while() instruction
< 1122382161 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no if you search bidirectional there is no need for an extra instruction
< 1122382192 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks
< 1122382269 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can make 'if false jump backward and if true jump forward' with it, right?
< 1122382278 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the source code will be complicated
< 1122382278 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gs30ng: yes
< 1122382294 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's true for many esolangs
< 1122382322 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still i'm considering whether to use AABCD or not 
< 1122382334 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i think it's too long for an esolang like this
< 1122382351 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need more simple way to start an instruction...
< 1122382488 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, we have a space for one more instruction
< 1122382522 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes?
< 1122382530 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when we 'AAAAD', A nand A = A is definitely same with just 'A' 
< 1122382547 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i think we can assign input/output to AAAA 
< 1122382599 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAABCDEFGHI to output BCDEFGHI if A and intput to BCDEFGHI if not A?
< 1122382599 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least 8 different switches should follow AAAA
< 1122382619 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix, we should not do that
< 1122382644 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the condition of A is forbidden to affect the instruction
< 1122382645 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not?
< 1122382670 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it is, the programmer is to...
< 1122382677 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. turn off A.
< 1122382683 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2. start the instruction
< 1122382693 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the source code will be like AAAAA
< 1122382712 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but first 4 A's will be identified
< 1122382716 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as an instruction
< 1122382739 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the condition of A must not affect the instruction
< 1122382761 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the programmed could always do AXAAAA...X, but perhaps it's not elegant.
< 1122382776 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1122382780 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't like that X
< 1122382790 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not minimal
< 1122382810 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need one more useless switch to do an operation
< 1122382910 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: are you here?
< 1122382962 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, anyway, i have a lot more progresses with this language. this is great. the freenode channel #esoteric helps.
< 1122383048 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for all you guys helped me, and i'll make a prototype specification in english
< 1122383052 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: hey
< 1122383064 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: was a valgrind question
< 1122383072 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: was a file-permission solution
< 1122383103 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: the pointer one? I don't follow
< 1122383116 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i had a question
< 1122383133 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where?
< 1122383144 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:02:53	<jix>	pgimeno: are you here?
< 1122383171 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't ask it because i noticed it was a wrong file permission setting
< 1122383180 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aah
< 1122383218 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :next time you can note you're not going to ask by saying e.g. "never mind[...]"
< 1122383241 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k
< 1122383293 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have much english irc experience;)
< 1122383331 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry if I sounded picky, it was the result of my confusion :)
< 1122383369 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no you didn't sound picky (whatever picky is)
< 1122383444 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix, how can you tell that if you don't know what is picky?
< 1122383466 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :..or am i misunderstanding a practical joke?
< 1122383476 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION kills himself
< 1122383479 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gs30ng: because in that context it has to be something negative
< 1122383487 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha.
< 1122383533 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, someone too worried about the details
< 1122383580 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like being fastidious?
< 1122383611 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah i broke mandelbrot.b
< 1122383624 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you totally didn't sound picky
< 1122383641 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok sorry let's forget about this all picky stuffs
< 1122383906 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: i reduced the REALLOC macro calls about 50%
< 1122383917 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i decrement the pointer i don't have to check for overflows
< 1122384006 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: nice
< 1122384046 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm and valgrind doesn't complain anymore
< 1122384053 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in the first 6 lines)
< 1122384057 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :7
< 1122384065 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8....
< 1122384071 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my linux box is slow
< 1122384076 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: 09:06:56 < lindi-> jix: m<m_srt is possible because line 47 does m+=-9;
< 1122384077 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with valgrind really slow
< 1122384089 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you already fixed this, i was away
< 1122384107 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have to move m around
< 1122384118 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[<] does this
< 1122384127 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and mandelbrot uses [<<<<<<<<<<] or something like that
< 1122384172 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: I find it strange that now it doesn't complain... is the removal of REALLOC the only change?
< 1122384193 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: no that's just a speedup because i had to work on that code anyway
< 1122384230 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just added the maximum move-up+1 and maximum move-down+1 to the border space of the memory 
< 1122384282 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a befunge mandelbrot?
< 1122384347 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have the feeling that there's something wrong with address (bottom - 9) being accessed anyway...
< 1122384350 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: i have a question
< 1122384378 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if 'AAB' is 'A nand B and put the result to A'?
< 1122384381 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: but i just do what mandelbrot.b tells
< 1122384391 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gs30ng: that's shorter
< 1122384403 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the code will be shorter, but i'm not sure that still can do every operation
< 1122384413 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: i used the befunge fibonacci program in my benchmarks
< 1122384442 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: google says there's a bef93 mandelbrot, yes
< 1122384463 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://quadium.net/funge/downloads/bef93src/mandel.bf
< 1122384476 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1122384491 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to write a mandelbrot for some esolang
< 1122384538 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"When Benoit is to iterate..."
< 1122384546 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1122384561 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey i have floats in ORK
< 1122384602 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that was an idea
< 1122384652 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, that bef93 mandelbrot uses g and p quite a lot
< 1122384726 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't decide the name of this esolang.
< 1122384739 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAB
< 1122384773 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm looking up my hometown language dictionary, but there's no proper word refers to 'switch'..
< 1122384838 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAB programming language... that code does nothing
< 1122384910 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A and AAB does same thing
< 1122384914 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1122385048 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix and fizzie helped me a lot so i could put those names into the name
< 1122385052 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...this is not a good idea
< 1122385071 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Fizjix programming language?
< 1122385086 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1122385094 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/away
< 1122385167 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about 'jiffy' ?
< 1122385191 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jiffy programming language.
< 1122385209 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, it sounds interesting, but I don't really understand it
< 1122385247 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your language I mean
< 1122385257 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kipple, i'll show you the prototype of specification in english ASAP.
< 1122385298 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm writing it now
< 1122388318 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well
< 1122388331 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gee, this is too difficult to read
< 1122388339 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not a good english writer
< 1122388358 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :writing specs is hard
< 1122388358 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :somebody correct this article to be read easily
< 1122388362 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gs30ng.exca.net/usg/CodenameSwitch
< 1122388560 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :feel free to create an account since it's really easy
< 1122388596 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about using the Esolang wiki instead?
< 1122388597 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page
< 1122388639 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a little bit nervous to do that...
< 1122388653 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this langauge is, right now, like stub
< 1122388673 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not a problem
< 1122388676 0 :int-e!~noone@td9091bf1.pool.terralink.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1122388765 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I think I get the language now. looks nice
< 1122388775 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but storage is, of course, rather limited :)
< 1122388895 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1122388910 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course we need UTF-8 charset to do something with this language
< 1122389001 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.esolangs.org/wiki/Switch
< 1122389111 0 :Aardwolf!~neusring@dD576509A.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1122389236 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. I can probably correct it a bit later. But now I have to eat...
< 1122389308 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1122389431 0 :tokigun!~chatzilla@219.248.202.28 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1122389495 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1122389557 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Bye!"
< 1122389560 0 :int-e!~noone@td9091bf1.pool.terralink.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1122389651 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tokigun here
< 1122389662 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gs30ng: ...
< 1122390176 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't expected anyone i know at here
< 1122390198 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1122390203 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are truly esoteric, tokigun.
< 1122390215 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gs30ng: ...
< 1122390302 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my notebook computer didn't work
< 1122390341 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you work instead?
< 1122390360 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...whatever
< 1122390380 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1122390381 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you see the spec of my new language?
< 1122390390 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't.
< 1122390411 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm writing input/output operation part and it sucks
< 1122390516 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bf2a version 0.2 is online at www.harderweb.de/jix/langs/brainfuck/bf2a.rb
< 1122390827 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i completed it
< 1122390830 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.esolangs.org/wiki/Switch
< 1122390918 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good
< 1122390960 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i'm gonna cook a ramen
< 1122391049 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after eating that, i'll try to make a Switch code which prints "Hello Wolrd!"
< 1122391083 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i think it'll be easier, compared to Aheui
< 1122391104 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gs30ng: is there Switch interpreter?
< 1122391223 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tokigun: ...do we need it?
< 1122391276 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no Switch interpreter yet
< 1122391302 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1122393214 0 :Keymaker!~no@cb244.netikka.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1122393217 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love it!
< 1122393221 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love it!
< 1122393225 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SWITCH!!!!!!!!!!!
< 1122393248 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please, someone make interpreter, quick!
< 1122393294 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...excuse me but would you tell me who you are? where did you got info about Switch?
< 1122393332 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, my name is keymaker
< 1122393339 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i read #esoteric logs sometimes ;)
< 1122393361 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel pretty good that someone is interested of a langauge i suggested
< 1122393362 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and check 'recent changes' in esolangs.org wiki daily
< 1122393367 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1122393371 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's really cool language
< 1122393379 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i liked it immediately
< 1122393385 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i didn't expected thing like this;;
< 1122393405 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, fanatical response
< 1122393414 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1122393432 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tokigun, would you make an interpreter for him?
< 1122393459 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1122393487 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the spec is not settled so i think it's too fast to make an interpreter
< 1122393496 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's demand about it
< 1122393505 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1122393514 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good -- i was just going to ask
< 1122393519 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why UTF-8?
< 1122393529 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any mention about UTF-8?
< 1122393533 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1122393538 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if ASCII
< 1122393543 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Input/output operation takes 16 characters after it. If all 16 characters are turned off, then input operation will be performed. If not, it will print the UTF-8 character by that 16bit number."
< 1122393543 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have 256bit of memory
< 1122393563 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1122393585 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i think we must use UTF-8 system to guarantee enough memory space
< 1122393595 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1122393609 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses unicode... but it doesn't need to use utf-8 encoding
< 1122393632 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i'll edit it to unicode
< 1122393637 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i always confuse
< 1122393640 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unicode and UTF-8.
< 1122393641 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1122393710 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. limited 256bit lang would be better. but that's just me..
< 1122393759 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree with you but i also want it to be turing tarpit
< 1122393772 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would unicode make it turing tarpit?
< 1122393777 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not yet
< 1122393813 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there will be a system that enables to store infinite characters
< 1122393825 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, has a certain feeling of SMETANA to it, in that every used variable has to be explicitely mentioned in the code.
< 1122393827 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then Switch will be turing complete. :(
< 1122393833 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aardwolf: ah, hello! :)
< 1122393837 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1122393849 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gs30ng: hmm...
< 1122393851 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi there
< 1122393853 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sup? :)
< 1122393856 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the current state, without infinite storage devices.
< 1122393857 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1122393868 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aardwolf: are you an inventor of Gammaplex? :)
< 1122393881 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I am :)
< 1122393899 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm interested in it but its spec is somewhat... eh... anyway.
< 1122393909 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gs30ng:no even with unlimited amount of switches switch is still not turing complete
< 1122393933 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then what more we need?
< 1122393933 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i couldn't understand some instructions.
< 1122393944 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a way to address switches or a way to extend the program
< 1122393951 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which one don't you understand?
< 1122393957 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I can try to improve it
< 1122393959 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aardwolf: hmm... eh...
< 1122393963 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because in a progrm of size n you can only use n switches
< 1122393979 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got it
< 1122394019 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...but is that a problem?
< 1122394036 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gs30ng: if you wanna make turing tarpit.
< 1122394048 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aardwolf: sorry, please wait a moment :)
< 1122394051 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tokigun: um... heh... :)
< 1122394067 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, since OISC is turing complete, i thought i can mimic it...
< 1122394078 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tokigun: i think i'll try to write mandelbrot for versert
< 1122394121 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aardwolf: i couldn't understand stack program.
< 1122394137 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :surprised. there's people tries to make something in Versert.
< 1122394152 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gs30ng: ...
< 1122394156 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good job, tokigun
< 1122394174 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tokigun: oh yes, stack programs aren't that important actually, I wonder why I included it
< 1122394229 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aardwolf: if source code of interpreter were in public, i could make some code in Gammaplex and so on... :(
< 1122394245 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: do you have any idea to fix that problem?
< 1122394279 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how does OISC overcome that kind of problem?
< 1122394279 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gs30ng: another instruction
< 1122394296 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gs30ng: oisc has adresses for memory access
< 1122394306 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tokigun: the source code is public, and someone managed to compile it for macintosh
< 1122394318 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh?
< 1122394324 0 :cmeme!~cmeme@216.184.11.2 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1122394334 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is the source code? :S
< 1122394335 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in the zip file in the folder "src"
< 1122394343 0 :cmeme!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1122394359 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this file: http://www.student.kuleuven.ac.be/~m0216922/gammaplex/gammaplex.zip
< 1122394368 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nearest C - what happens if there is no nearest C?
< 1122394377 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aardwolf: /me managed it
< 1122394378 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :terminates
< 1122394389 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the way to terminate the program
< 1122394393 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops i missed it
< 1122394395 0 :cmeme!~cmeme@216.184.11.2 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1122394401 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aardwolf: oops... why i couldn't see it?
< 1122394401 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll add that on wiki
< 1122394404 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see.
< 1122394406 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: yes indeed
< 1122394428 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tokigun: it's only in there for a few weeks, maybe you had an older version?
< 1122394446 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tokigun: I also updated the spec when I added the src, maybe the new one is a bit clearer? :)
< 1122394456 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah...
< 1122394469 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i downloaded it months ago.
< 1122394481 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the colors and stuff are now gone from the page :)
< 1122394487 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;)
< 1122394548 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why, but I feel like writing a mandelbrot program in gammaplex :)
< 1122394551 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me gonna try it :)
< 1122394579 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Switch we have addresses of each switch... isn't that enough? this obfuscates me...
< 1122394714 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I/O needs to specify which bit is the LSB
< 1122394743 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gs30ng: yes but in oisc you can always adress another switch by incrementing the adress of an instrucion
< 1122394773 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i'm sorry but what is LSB?
< 1122394786 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :least significant bit
< 1122394831 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i should look up wikipedia
< 1122394835 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose your Q has value 1 and the A has value 32768
< 1122394862 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not really clear from your specification
< 1122394945 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you mean the order of bits?
< 1122394948 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1122394952 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one do you prefer to be LSB?
< 1122394959 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first one? last one?
< 1122394970 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd take the last one.
< 1122394997 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gs30ng: would you mind if I make an esolang based on the idea of switch? i'll naturally credit you
< 1122395014 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aardwolf: i'm looking your interpreter. maybe i can make obfuscated Gammaplex interpreter now :)
< 1122395064 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe, and it's not specified what the input operation does (although it's easy to guess the intention)
< 1122395083 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keymaker: why don't you just do it in Switch? the language is opened for every opinion
< 1122395106 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i'll write down the ideas/plan i have
< 1122395114 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll let you see it when it's done
< 1122395137 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: actually a GUI window will appear and force user to turn on or off 16 switches manually
< 1122395143 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1122395186 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keymaker: i really appreciate it
< 1122395240 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tokigun: hehe make one in bf :)
< 1122395246 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aardwolf: ;)
< 1122395250 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i'm gonna make an example code that prints 'A'. then things will be clear, i think
< 1122395298 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've make several obfuscated interpreter of whitespace and whirl in c... i like esoteric programming, but also obfuscated programming.
< 1122395318 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find there are a lot of weird things about gammaplex because when I started on it I didn't yet know all the features I wanted to add, maybe I should make a successor that's more logical, or do you think it's fine the way it is? :)
< 1122395327 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.inf.tu-dresden.de/~bf3/switch.c ... quick and very dirty hack for posix systems, and it does not do unicode, just ascii, so it's very limited. but it should be good enough for some experiments.
< 1122395346 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope there are no bugs (untested code, yay!)
< 1122395393 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aardwolf: that's Gammaplex2? or... why not Deltaplex? :)
< 1122395400 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deltaplex indeed :)
< 1122395400 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have nothing to do but make specification... Jesus, how is it possible that interpreter is already made?
< 1122395451 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there anyone make a Switch interpreter in python? i have no C interpreter
< 1122395465 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. funny
< 1122395494 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gs30ng: how about using Dev-C++?
< 1122395543 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tokigun: give me that
< 1122395546 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BAAAAAAAAAAABAAAAAB prints a single A :)
< 1122395561 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gs30ng: http://www.bloodshed.net/devcpp.html
< 1122395647 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: it is forbidden to use same characters in one i/o operation
< 1122395662 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :think about input operation and all characters are A
< 1122395684 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so? undefined result, what's the problem?
< 1122395689 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shrugs
< 1122395705 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well...
< 1122395713 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even 'serious' languages like C++ have no problem with undefined results :P
< 1122395728 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aardwolf: how about many surfaces?
< 1122395767 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean SDL surfaces?
< 1122395770 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1122395777 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why?
< 1122395788 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1122395806 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't like 8 by 8 font :)
< 1122395824 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's better than dull console output :)
< 1122395828 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: would there be no problem? are you sure? ok then i'll allow it
< 1122395894 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought how not to use font... and i thought bliting surface. 
< 1122395898 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the problem is maybe that you'll get programs that work on one implementation and not on another because they exploit that fact, but from the point of view of a specification I see no problem with simply stating that the result is undefined.
< 1122395912 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/thought/found/
< 1122395965 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1122395974 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh...
< 1122396015 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want it to be turing complete! is there no way to do that without adding an instruction?
< 1122396038 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean if we didn't use internal font, we have to blit in order to print some string.
< 1122396041 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :allow infinte programs and use an infinite character set.
< 1122396053 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it is turing complete?
< 1122396071 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd expect it would be, but it wouldn't be practical.
< 1122396077 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my recent projects I use opengl to draw bitmap fonts :)
< 1122396089 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: btw, nice to see another fellow brainfuck fan here. ;)
< 1122396094 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aardwolf: hmm...
< 1122396126 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine, Deltaplex, allowing you to draw 3D opengl shapes...
< 1122396134 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woah
< 1122396142 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds good... :)
< 1122396160 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should give it a go :)
< 1122396164 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can see shapes..
< 1122396169 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1122396173 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you must go!!!!
< 1122396182 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean
< 1122396185 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :give it a go
< 1122396188 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok *leaves*
< 1122396192 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1122396192 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1122396196 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1122396225 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd be something never seen before..
< 1122396228 0 :GregorR-W!~chatzilla@pdxproxy.intel.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1122396233 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My home network is down >_<
< 1122396236 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like esolang that uses 3d shapes as "output"
< 1122396241 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1122396246 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then where are you?
< 1122396249 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"work"?
< 1122396250 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At work.
< 1122396251 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1122396257 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1122396269 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :piet 3D?
< 1122396271 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And unfortunately, since my home network is down, I can't send you egobf-0.7 :(
< 1122396275 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keymaker: still writin' things down? i'm really interested
< 1122396280 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1122396283 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait a bit
< 1122396285 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :piet is the best :D
< 1122396290 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p
< 1122396304 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Umm, wouldn't Piet 3D take 3D /input/?
< 1122396305 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, it suffers from underspecification at one point.
< 1122396314 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there are incompatible interpreters :(
< 1122396324 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that
< 1122396372 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's what?
< 1122396400 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me more about it
< 1122396407 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that underspecification thing
< 1122396443 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aardwolf: is there an instruction for accessing the nth stack item?
< 1122396451 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it means that some behaviour is not well-defined (but in that case it's not obvious that this is indeed the case)
< 1122396498 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm aware of only one problem
< 1122396506 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about nearest C
< 1122396516 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are basically three ways to deal with that: a) forbid the situation b) allow the situation but say its behaviour is undefined c) refine the specification so it fixes the behaviour.
< 1122396529 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you said the next nearest C takes precedence
< 1122396532 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wrote
< 1122396546 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i mean
< 1122396556 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when a control is transfered to C
< 1122396557 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: that's why is there no division instruction in Versert.
< 1122396571 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should we 'switch' C?
< 1122396602 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or not, considering it as a label?
< 1122396638 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gs30ng: takes a bit more time, i'll thing some stuff again.
< 1122396644 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*think
< 1122396652 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keymaker: take your time
< 1122396667 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok.. see you in 30 years :)
< 1122396701 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION walks into the refridgerator
< 1122396702 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right now my implementation would toggle C (assuming it's not actually part of a NAND or I/O instruction)
< 1122396709 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone here now how to do an intersection test on a 4 dimensional fractal ?
< 1122396719 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, that's not really clear either and should be specified.
< 1122396773 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grhh. i can't concentrate when listening trance. better listen some schranz.
< 1122396787 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think we should not switch it... it's a label.
< 1122396797 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: BTW, are your benchmarking results posted somewhere?
< 1122396850 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the backward C must be toggle at least once...
< 1122396854 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/toggle/toggled
< 1122396869 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it really obfuscates me
< 1122396986 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's your language. try '[...] will jump to the operation immediately following the nearest C'
< 1122397067 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it collides with my design goal of Switch
< 1122397087 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want all switches be impartial
< 1122397100 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, you write a code
< 1122397111 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and replace all A to B and B to A
< 1122397115 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll still work
< 1122397143 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION does not see why that's a problem here.
< 1122397166 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry i think i misread you
< 1122397208 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought [...] is a specific character
< 1122397228 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION bumps his head against the wall
< 1122397290 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sees the wall crumble to dust.
< 1122397326 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1122397389 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I clearly joined this conversation too late, the logs are completely not helping me understand this language.
< 1122397415 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and wiki isn't, either?
< 1122397435 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry! The wiki is experiencing some technical difficulties, and cannot contact the database server.
< 1122397436 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/tmp/mysql.sock' (2)
< 1122397443 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i see that too
< 1122397453 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So no, it isn't helping much ;)
< 1122397486 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm ... chatzilla has a really strange ;) icon .... is that his eyebrow or a tiny beret?
< 1122397556 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... can you point the thing that you can't understand or you don't get the language wholly?
< 1122397582 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just wholly don't understand the language, but then again I'm not devoting my attention to it, what with the being at work :P
< 1122397625 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you can re-check the wiki later
< 1122397630 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-W: yes on http://www.harderweb.de/jix/langs/brainfuck/result2.txt but they are 2 days old
< 1122397669 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heheh, need to add egobfc2m, it will rox0r their s0x0rzzzz.
< 1122397694 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe but i have bf2a
< 1122397706 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i'm too tired to explain the spec
< 1122397717 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, I find it a bit strange that my times for egobfi-vs-everybody-else are significantly different ...
< 1122397726 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you gotta chill out gregor! "all work and no play makes Gregor a dull boy"
< 1122397734 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1122397741 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION drinks more coffee.
< 1122397744 0 :graue!~graue@ip68-100-130-21.dc.dc.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1122397746 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1122397746 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO CHILL FOR GREGOR!!!!
< 1122397796 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-W: its 0.2 not 0.3 in the test
< 1122397805 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
< 1122397809 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: appearantly not, there's one to roll down the nth value, but then it's removed form it's position
< 1122397828 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1122397847 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will think about this if I ever make deltaplex :)
< 1122397925 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok here's the problem
< 1122397931 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a program like this
< 1122397940 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :user inputs values
< 1122397949 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :computer records it
< 1122397951 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :user inputs values again
< 1122397954 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :computer records it again
< 1122397962 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :repeat until user inputs 0
< 1122398020 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...this is impossible in Switch, unless infinite switches are wrote in the code
< 1122398037 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Switch?
< 1122398039 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right.
< 1122398048 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and maybe this is related to the problem that jix told me
< 1122398088 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :having unlimited storage is a weaker requirement than turing completeness.
< 1122398111 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well...
< 1122398138 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're right
< 1122398142 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and necessary to achieve turing completeness, so that's part of the problem.
< 1122398178 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought some solutions but no good and minmal one is among them
< 1122398280 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue, it's an esolang being developed my me and people here
< 1122398297 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/my/by
< 1122398394 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool
< 1122398405 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. associate a stack (initially filled with infinitely many zeroes) with each switch and add an ABAB operator which pops one item off A and pushes it on B
< 1122398407 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, just today?
< 1122398459 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i thought about it alone for about 2 weeks
< 1122398477 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and told people here about it today
< 1122398488 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's an idea but I admit that it changes the language in a fundamental way.
< 1122398499 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm not sure if I like it.
< 1122398541 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're right
< 1122398549 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i don't want any stack or something
< 1122398558 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the infinite stack idea isn't new either, it was used in ... hmm ... what's that reversible calculation language again, kayak?
< 1122398577 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want only switches to be the storage
< 1122398605 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you need a way to access arbitrarily many switches. :(
< 1122398609 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry! The wiki is experiencing some technical difficulties, and cannot contact the database server.
< 1122398628 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's not, it's not the Switch programming language that i invented. it'll be like... Switchoid or something
< 1122398685 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about this
< 1122398686 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you need that way to allow one to write interesting programs without limitations - a finite program that reverses its input, say.
< 1122398703 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders how that 'way' got there.
< 1122398730 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sneaks off with his bag full of misplaced words snickering.
< 1122398744 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :each character has a numeric value in unicode, right?
< 1122398764 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1122398769 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we can make that value by toggling or NANDing the switches
< 1122398777 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION glares at GregorR-W 
< 1122398794 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION laughs maniacally the at int-e :)
< 1122398825 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll remember that, GregorR-W.
< 1122398832 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gs30ng: yes
< 1122398846 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so adding instruction that takes several letters(probably 8 or 16 letters) and toggling the switch that 16 letters point
< 1122398855 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will solve this problem...
< 1122398857 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...right?
< 1122398951 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/toggling/toggles
< 1122398975 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, just toggling it won't be enough, you need a way to test it, too. and 16 letters give you 2^16 addresses, you'll probably want more (32 should be enough for most 'practical' purposes. for theoretical purposes, this still isn't enough - it's still a (big!) finite state machine)
< 1122399019 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(keep in mind that from a theoretical point of view, every existing computer is basically a very big finite state machine)
< 1122399065 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you're a theoretical physicist. hehe ...
< 1122399184 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember that to be turing complete FSM needs 2 stacks
< 1122399211 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1122399213 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or one queue, if it has the proper facilities to handle it
< 1122399222 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that
< 1122399227 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's one more way.... 2 something enables FSM to be turing complete...
< 1122399239 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlimited integers
< 1122399243 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :two memory cells with bignums
< 1122399254 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that construction is quite evil
< 1122399276 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be mind-bogglingly difficult to actually DO anything, but yeah, that's turing complete XD
< 1122399295 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can have a Turing-complete machine with one register of unlimited integers
< 1122399296 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use a bignum to represent 3 bignums in the form 2^a*3^b*5^c ...
< 1122399302 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: one memory cell with bugnum und mul + div + divtest
< 1122399306 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1122399331 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the usual computational basis is inc and dec+test
< 1122399345 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wiki works now
< 1122399352 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you need 2 bignums to implement div+divtest+mul on top of that
< 1122399355 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue, http://www.esolangs.org/wiki/Switch
< 1122399406 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1122399421 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're already participating
< 1122399422 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx
< 1122399687 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with maintaining the concept that 'no specific character' thing, it's too hard to accomplish the turing completeness with minimal spec/instructions/operations.
< 1122399746 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION go to sleep
< 1122399756 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"zzz"
< 1122400516 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, your interpreter in C takes 8 letters when I/O?
< 1122400529 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, 16
< 1122400539 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was faithful to the specification in that respect
< 1122400557 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it just truncates the characters to 8 bit for output
< 1122400583 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and LSB is still last one of 16 letters?
< 1122400586 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or 8th letter?
< 1122400587 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1122400589 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16
< 1122400592 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1122400608 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then first 8 letters are ignored?
< 1122400613 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1122400617 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got it
< 1122400635 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, almost
< 1122400664 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I test the whole 16 bits for 0 to check for the input operation
< 1122400683 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the input operation sets the corresponding switches to 0 (well, ok, that's a no-op)
< 1122400786 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't understand it
< 1122400821 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gee, my humble english... :(
< 1122400882 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My code converts the whole 16 bits to a number
< 1122400900 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :decimal?
< 1122400906 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :checks this number for zero. if it's not equal to zero, it truncates the top 8 bits and outputs that character
< 1122400920 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if zero?
< 1122400938 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it is zero, it inputs a (8 bit) character and converts its value back to 16 bits
< 1122400978 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still we don't have unicode here but useful enough to test
< 1122400988 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that was the idea
< 1122401009 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shoot me that A-priting-switch-code again
< 1122401014 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't meant to be a full-fledged implementation
< 1122401036 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/priting/printing
< 1122401054 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BAAAAAAAAAAABAAAAAB
< 1122401169 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1122401181 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that code receives only 15 characters
< 1122401193 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16 characters after AAA is needed
< 1122401439 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, didn't count correctly. my thought was that A could as well serve as the first of those 16 bits
< 1122401526 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so AAABCDEFGHIJKLMNOP would print character ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOP (read as a binary number) ... anyway I can change my program easily
< 1122401542 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but that kind of operation is something forbidden in Switch. suppose this:
< 1122401571 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. A affects the result of operation, so the programmer want to do this before starting operation: turing on A.
< 1122401592 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2. Now the programmer tries to start input operation: AAA and something
< 1122401602 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the code will be like AAAA and something
< 1122401611 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, insert a dummy character
< 1122401613 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A AAA
< 1122401629 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's an idea but i don't want there a trash characters in source code
< 1122401668 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I really counted the letters on that line wrong, I'll change my program
< 1122401678 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i appreciate that
< 1122401704 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't followed your discussions, but the version i'm thinking will be probably a lot different
< 1122401706 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :done :)
< 1122401789 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I
< 1122401791 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you know what i'm saying, when the operation is started with AAA or something, the value of A should not affect the operation, because then programmer will try to write A before AAA and it collides and we need some trash characters
< 1122401811 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll be idle for a bit, I'll read and answer that in a few minutes
< 1122401843 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...OMG
< 1122401865 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in AA(nandnp) the value of A affects the operation!
< 1122401870 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should change it
< 1122401875 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AABC -> AABCD
< 1122401881 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A=B nand C
< 1122401897 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and D is the target place to jump when 0
< 1122402145 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...or like this
< 1122402148 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AABCD
< 1122402156 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AA -> just starts nandnp
< 1122402164 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BC -> B=B nand C.
< 1122402174 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D -> if B nand C is 0 then jump to D.
< 1122402430 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...this is too major change
< 1122402587 0 :grimace_!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1122402654 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, i'm sorry to bother you but you should change your code 
< 1122402666 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a major change in spec
< 1122402812 0 :kipple_!~kipple@163.80-202-100.nextgentel.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1122402815 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey kipple_
< 1122402837 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'ello
< 1122402870 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1122403471 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i still cannot decide the name of this language
< 1122403483 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't like the name Switch
< 1122403770 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :toggle :P
< 1122403831 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeag
< 1122403835 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*yeah
< 1122403838 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :toggle is a lot better
< 1122403844 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't like 'switch' either
< 1122403868 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i selected 'trigger' for my language
< 1122403868 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like switch more than toggle. :(
< 1122403874 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::\
< 1122403900 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gs30ng: i'll make it a new language..
< 1122403902 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :flip
< 1122403941 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keymaker: Sure you can, but can't you still show me about it?
< 1122403948 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1122403954 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :flip is an idea
< 1122403961 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll naturally make it public when it's ready :)
< 1122403966 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, flip's fine
< 1122403977 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'd rather use my hometown language
< 1122404194 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a flip lang afaik
< 1122404213 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Flip
< 1122404249 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, didn't know that
< 1122404344 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Call it BreinFuck
< 1122404348 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That won't confuse anybody.
< 1122404548 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't f*ck brein. :(
< 1122404655 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure it does, Brein isn't a real word, so it can mean whatever you want it to.
< 1122404662 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i decided it
< 1122404790 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any changes besides the NAND one?
< 1122404820 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :input
< 1122404827 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, I/O
< 1122404832 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :starts with AAAA
< 1122404835 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not AAA
< 1122404860 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1122404891 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One thing I'm confused about, by "AAAA" do you mean "any four of the same letter", or does it actually have to be "AAAA"?
< 1122404904 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :former
< 1122404917 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same with nearest-C?
< 1122404936 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any four of the same letter
< 1122404937 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if a letter repeated for 4 times
< 1122404953 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I/O operation will be started
< 1122404993 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I updated my switch interpreter and fixed a bug as well.
< 1122405076 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx
< 1122405088 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the name of this language is now Udage.
< 1122405113 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you'll wonder what's that
< 1122405116 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Udage#Udage
< 1122405425 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :new code that prints single A is like BAAAAAAAAAAAAABAAAAAB
< 1122405449 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :add commas to read easy: B,AAAA,AAAA,AAAA,ABAA,AAAB
< 1122405458 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :B turns on the switch
< 1122405465 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAA starts the I/O operation
< 1122405469 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and... so on
< 1122405473 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right?
< 1122405479 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1122405514 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XYYYYYYYYYYYYYXYYYYYX works too :)
< 1122405706 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :before trying to make a code prints "Hello, World!", we need an interpreter with unicode
< 1122405721 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why?
< 1122405751 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...unicode "Hello, World!" and ascii "Hello, World!" have same numeric value?
< 1122405768 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :these are all ascii characters
< 1122405796 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the first 128 Unicode values are mapped to ASCII
< 1122405826 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really?
< 1122405839 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, Unicode is 100% backwards-compatible to ASCII
< 1122405854 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really. that's no accident, it's designed that way
< 1122405862 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...why have i been thought they aren't? :(
< 1122405872 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and UTF8 was designed in a way that allows to use ASCII without modifications.
< 1122405891 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i'll try hello world
< 1122405926 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...or there one among you guys is already trying?
< 1122405953 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. I'm not sure how to feed perl's unpack() to generate that code.
< 1122405955 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;)
< 1122405969 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pff, just write a quick C hack to do it.
< 1122405976 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no way
< 1122406015 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for (i = 7; i >= 0; i--) if (inp & (1 << i)) putchar("A") else putchar("B");
< 1122406035 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, you need to start at 15
< 1122406039 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops, putchar('A') and putchar('B')
< 1122406045 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is assuming you just outputted "BBBBBBBB"
< 1122406049 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What with the ASCII :P
< 1122406056 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AKA I'm cheating.
< 1122406071 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually putchar("A") and putchar("B") are very likely to produce a program that does what you want ;)
< 1122406298 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BAAAAAAAAAAAAABAABAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABBAABABAAAAAAAAAAAAABBABBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABBABBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABBABBBBAAAAAAAAAAAAAABAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABABABBBAAAAAAAAAAAAABBABBBBAAAAAAAAAAAAABBBAABAAAAAAAAAAAAAABBABBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABBAABAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABAAAABAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABABA
< 1122406305 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :May or may not be correct *shrugs*
< 1122406333 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :works
< 1122406368 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just seems like a whirl code
< 1122406375 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's missing a comma ;)
< 1122406401 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's hello world in Trigger:
< 1122406402 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HHHeeellllllooo   wwwooorrrlllddd!!!
< 1122406411 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1122406417 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HHHeeelll lllooo   wwwooorrrlllddd!!!
< 1122406435 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Three flips = putchar?
< 1122406439 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1122406466 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`r`.!`.d`.l`.r`.o`.w`. `.,`.o`.l`.l`.e`.Hi
< 1122406467 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there's three same character in row, then putchar(that character)
< 1122406510 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you say:
< 1122406529 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should the instruction pointer be able to go left and right
< 1122406533 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or only right
< 1122406563 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it must be possible to make a loop
< 1122406568 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is
< 1122406580 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this uses the way original switch used (iirc)
< 1122406582 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aab
< 1122406586 0 :BigZaphod!~BigZaphod@198.45.23.220 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1122406616 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there's two same characters in a row (aa) then search the nearest character that is the same than the one after aa (b)
< 1122406618 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have a while() thing, it's ok for instruction poiter to go just right
< 1122406639 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, not while()
< 1122406647 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jumps
< 1122406694 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't have anything like while(), you need the pointer to jump backward
< 1122406695 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :While = if-jump-back, so if that jump is conditional, then it is while() ;)
< 1122406738 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doh
< 1122406743 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, then there's while :)
< 1122406758 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keymaker, i don't get your lang :(
< 1122406772 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i'll tell it shortly:
< 1122406790 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A = NOT(A) the 'A' trigger
< 1122406811 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAB = if A is 1 then search for nearest B left or right
< 1122406822 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if A is 0 then just go on and do nothing
< 1122406845 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So how do you do binary (that is, two operands) logical operations?
< 1122406848 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after jumping from some place to another, the trigger isn't flipped
< 1122406862 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1122406865 0 :fungebob!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Today is a good day to chat."
< 1122406876 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when there's three same, like EEE, then print 'E'
< 1122406885 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If today is such a good day to chat, why are you leaving?
< 1122406892 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-W, late
< 1122406892 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if there's four same, like BBBB then make it remove BBBB from code when executed
< 1122406895 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AACBC <- toggle B if not A
< 1122406908 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1122406919 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just going to say something like that
< 1122406930 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmmmmm .........
< 1122406937 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get your language
< 1122406939 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there is it
< 1122406939 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think toggle-b-if-not-a is powerful enough ...
< 1122406940 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1122406947 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, who cares
< 1122406952 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this isn't a tar-pit
< 1122406954 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turing, that's who!
< 1122406955 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1122406958 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when AAB
< 1122406962 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. it
< 1122406967 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the value of A affects the operation
< 1122406968 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1122406969 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically an xor, right
< 1122406972 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheers int-e
< 1122406992 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the value of A affects to AAB operation
< 1122407001 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if A is 0 that thing will be skipped
< 1122407013 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :spaces are ignored?
< 1122407017 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1122407021 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or identified?
< 1122407025 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then...
< 1122407026 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1122407027 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but AAXBBYCXY basically toggles C if not A and not B ... we need a way to set some value to 0
< 1122407033 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :space is just another trigger
< 1122407037 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAXAXA ... like this
< 1122407076 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the programmer will try to set A before trying AAB, because it affects the operation
< 1122407083 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the code will be like AAAB
< 1122407092 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would print 'A'
< 1122407098 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the problem
< 1122407099 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to do A.AAB
< 1122407101 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example
< 1122407106 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that dot is trash
< 1122407108 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :add some other character between
< 1122407109 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1122407117 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need a lot of trash in this language
< 1122407120 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just another trigger that isn't used in the code
< 1122407121 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1122407134 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, one trash character is enough, and a few for labels
< 1122407145 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1122407149 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :labels are the real issue actually
< 1122407150 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, that one trash character will appear a lot
< 1122407161 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who cares?
< 1122407165 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like this :)
< 1122407179 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and besides, you can use new-line as a trash character
< 1122407185 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't make the code look too bad
< 1122407197 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A
< 1122407198 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAC
< 1122407201 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc..
< 1122407202 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't thinks so
< 1122407236 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/thinks/think
< 1122407237 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can just comment your code, I like that
< 1122407250 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ./a.out hello.sw 
< 1122407251 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello World!
< 1122407251 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> cat hello.sw 
< 1122407251 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, world!
< 1122407251 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BAAAAAAAAAAAAABAABAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABBAABABAAAAAAAAAAAAABBABBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABBABBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABBABBBBAAAAAAAAAAAAAABAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABABABBBAAAAAAAAAAAAABBABBBBAAAAAAAAAAAAABBBAABAAAAAAAAAAAAAABBABBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABBAABAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABAAAABAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABABA
< 1122407258 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some operations that deeply related to each other will be divided in 2 line
< 1122407265 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ignore the missing ,)
< 1122407269 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.
< 1122407278 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't get your commenting stuff int-e
< 1122407286 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and another operations that has no relation will be stuck
< 1122407292 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just add some comment in the middle of your code
< 1122407301 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the Hello, world! line at the start of hello.sw
< 1122407302 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;)
< 1122407304 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean like a.aa# This code is written by me. #
< 1122407326 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's something same with Udage
< 1122407358 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: do you think self-removing sequence FFFF is necessary?
< 1122407366 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i keep it there?
< 1122407372 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that
< 1122407382 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like...
< 1122407386 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAB operation?
< 1122407389 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's example:
< 1122407410 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(wait, takes a bit time to make it up)
< 1122407416 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FFFF, then do an operation between F and F, then the result is always 0
< 1122407427 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it goes to F
< 1122407429 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1122407434 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this language doesn't work that way
< 1122407452 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there is only one character F, it does the flip
< 1122407461 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then why do we need self-removing FFFF
< 1122407465 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :before that the interpreter checks if there's two F's in a row
< 1122407470 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perhaps three or fours
< 1122407485 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's handy
< 1122407501 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's why i asked int-e if he thinks it's necessary
< 1122407511 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do we need self-removing FFFF?
< 1122407514 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1122407521 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll write an example :)
< 1122407523 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need a quick summary. F toggles, FFL is a conditional jump, what else was there?
< 1122407539 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DDD prints 'D'
< 1122407546 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah.
< 1122407553 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and EEEE would remove 'EEEE' from the program
< 1122407554 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keymaker, what about input
< 1122407558 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :none yet
< 1122407568 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a question i was going to ask here soon
< 1122407569 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks
< 1122407577 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, saves me from thinkin' ;)
< 1122407580 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks
< 1122407584 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1122407588 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see why you'd need that
< 1122407593 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1122407595 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too
< 1122407602 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've thought that as option as well
< 1122407619 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, when i started working on the language i thought i'll make it non-input one
< 1122407639 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps that's what i'll do, i can't find any elegant way storing input
< 1122407656 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can always introduce a special switch that reads a bit from input
< 1122407659 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you really need it
< 1122407663 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1122407700 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one way could be to make for example EEEEE to store a bit from input to E
< 1122407726 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that
< 1122407732 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't like this language because of trash letters, but it could be more handy than Udage
< 1122407751 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, everyone's got their own opinions :)
< 1122407756 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have never heard of udage
< 1122407764 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you have trash letters anyway in the moment that you introduced labels.
< 1122407771 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :new name of Switch
< 1122407773 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Udage is
< 1122407776 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1122407800 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: me?
< 1122407810 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keymaker: no, Gs30ng 
< 1122407811 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1122407820 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can get more info about the name at http://www.esolangs.org/wiki/Udage#Udage
< 1122407831 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1122407842 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not worried about trash letters
< 1122407863 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me neither
< 1122407872 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then aren't trash yet
< 1122407897 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in real coding in Udage they probably would be trash
< 1122407907 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, leave eliminating trash letters as an exercise to the coder then.
< 1122407934 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :noone codes in esolangs because it's simple.
< 1122407936 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of trash letters, what about this
< 1122407936 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: so, do you think FFFF would be useful?
< 1122407957 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. it's weird, and it's not reversible.
< 1122407961 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interpreter interprets 4 letters in a time
< 1122407962 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1122407966 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1122407968 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or 3 letters or something
< 1122407982 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: do you think that should be replaced by "get one bit from input"?
< 1122407983 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think not being reversible is the real issue. it won't be useful in a loop.
< 1122408000 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would certainly be more useful
< 1122408004 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1122408012 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the language is done, then
< 1122408026 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not done
< 1122408033 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since Udage isn't done
< 1122408039 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not Udage
< 1122408041 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, this is done
< 1122408043 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1122408044 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :suppose this
< 1122408045 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's Trigger
< 1122408048 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more like brother-of-Udage.
< 1122408052 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :user inputs
< 1122408055 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :computer records
< 1122408063 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :repeat until user inputs 0
< 1122408081 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not many esolangs can access hard drive (thanks heaven)
< 1122408087 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this won't be able to do that either
< 1122408095 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this has user inputs and repeat until user inputs 0..
< 1122408096 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't mentioned hard drive
< 1122408099 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1122408101 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trigger is not supposed to support infinite storage or be turing complete
< 1122408105 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think
< 1122408106 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1122408109 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're right
< 1122408131 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you are to repeat
< 1122408148 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need a switch(right? or trigger) for a time
< 1122408163 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :32 times repeat, 32 triggers are needed
< 1122408180 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, probably
< 1122408231 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but notice, this language is not meant to be a turing-complete
< 1122408239 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it isn't
< 1122408250 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore i don't really care if repeating needs so much work
< 1122408253 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc..
< 1122408276 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but with a little addition it can do that, i think, although i don't know how
< 1122408341 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it would require changes in the data storage stuff
< 1122408342 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure
< 1122408386 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, what i forgot to say that when searching the nearest trigger, and if there's two triggers, one on left and one on right, then it will be random which one to choose
< 1122408401 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, there's small in-built randomness if user wants that
< 1122408402 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa
< 1122408412 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's an idea
< 1122408432 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i meant to say there as well, is that
< 1122408444 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that only happens if both the triggers are as far from
< 1122408457 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the instruction sequence (for example "AAB")
< 1122408462 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can be adopted into Udage
< 1122408469 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :random choice
< 1122408473 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :feel free
< 1122408479 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like random in languages
< 1122408492 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keymaker, how can you get that kind of splendid idea?
< 1122408503 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, no idea
< 1122408514 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably because i was thinking "should it go left or right"
< 1122408534 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then "i can't decide".. "hey, i'll just make it random so i don't need to decide!"
< 1122408553 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'm thinking
< 1122408569 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[although deciding it to be random was itself a decision]
< 1122408599 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can apply that to nearest D toggle problem
< 1122408619 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1122408626 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1122408644 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and esolang wiki's dead again
< 1122408644 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1122408648 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1122408659 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: you have time to write an interpreter..? ;)
< 1122408688 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would do that myself but i can't really
< 1122408700 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keymaker, before that why don't you confirm a specification and unveil it
< 1122408713 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's what i should do
< 1122408722 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to say: Gimme a spec. :)
< 1122408725 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1122408730 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll write the spec first
< 1122408733 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o)
< 1122408917 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Udage will take a lot more time to decide the spec, because of my desire to be turing complete
< 1122408923 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Trigger doesn't, right?
< 1122408958 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so Trigger will make it's spec earlier than Udage
< 1122408966 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is fun
< 1122409066 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :original comes after one originated from it
< 1122409078 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1122409085 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1122409087 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1122409105 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1122409109 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you want the name 'Gs30ng' to be credited or want me to use some other name?
< 1122409135 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as you wish
< 1122409139 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry i gotta go
< 1122409140 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1122409144 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye
< 1122409159 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was amazing conversation
< 1122409165 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all you guys really helped me
< 1122409165 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye Gs30ng 
< 1122409172 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks a lot again
< 1122409174 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :glad to help :)
< 1122409184 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"quits"
< 1122410477 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Donate a manual typewriter to ME for your only hope for a future!"
< 1122413152 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you write an interpreter in BF, you can use egobfi32 -unicode on to run it and get your unicode 8-D
< 1122413180 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Then the only hard part is ... well, writing the interpreter in BF)
< 1122413216 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1122413248 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But heck, compared to s/char/wchar/, that's easy :P
< 1122413411 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh hey!  int-e, do you happen to still have egobf-0.7.tar.bz2?  I want to upload it elsewhere since my network at home is screwy.
< 1122413470 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I do
< 1122413494 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could you email it to AKAQuinn@hotmail.com ?
< 1122413538 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :get it at http://www.inf.tu-dresden.de/~bf3/egobf-0.7.tar.bz2
< 1122413549 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll remove it afterwards
< 1122413550 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, that works - rescue #3, you rock :)
< 1122413574 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got it.
< 1122413734 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.codu.org/egobf-0.7.tar.bz2
< 1122414060 0 :calamari!~calamari@dialup-4.240.111.105.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1122414074 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1122414142 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hoi calamari 
< 1122414211 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's it going hat-fiend? :)
< 1122414234 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11 now.
< 1122414241 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I still haven't posted a picture of me in the fez.
< 1122414247 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you for reminding me ;)
< 1122414252 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1122414268 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My randomizer told me to wear the fez tomorrow, so I'll have the opportunity.
< 1122414369 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1122414378 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i noted you about that in your guestbook
< 1122414389 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that you should update your hat gallery)
< 1122414402 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that I ever read my guestbook :P
< 1122414466 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also need to update the music page, and update the ORK page.  I'm really just not much for updating my web pages :P
< 1122414497 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I need to overhaul my webpages too.. not standard compliant
< 1122414529 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My main page is actually finally 100% compliant, just fixed it recently.
< 1122414537 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep waiting until I write a program that will build the pages for me.. 
< 1122414547 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe
< 1122414553 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :other projects always seem like more fun than that ;)
< 1122414588 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The lazier I get the more pages I make run Giki.
< 1122414618 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if I don't let other people edit, it's still quicker than muddling with the HTML/PHP/CSS/etc.
< 1122415110 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's actaully not a bad idea
< 1122415134 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps a giki where the editing isn't visible without a special tag
< 1122415184 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the things I've wanted is an auto site-map builder
< 1122415678 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION smells a GikiPlugin ;)
< 1122416212 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plugins must be very powerful if such a thing is possible via a plugin
< 1122416237 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving"
< 1122416254 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is.
< 1122416259 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GikiPlugins are super-powerful.
< 1122416263 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RecentChanges is a plugin.
< 1122416279 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plugins switch between HTML, WikiSyntax and BBCode ...
< 1122416325 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FCKeditor is in a plugin.
< 1122416335 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is searching for all the particularly powerful plugins :P
< 1122416484 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://giki.sourceforge.net/edit.php?title=Downloads#
< 1122416531 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, the SourceForge element is a plugin too, but not particularly powerful :P
< 1122416537 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clicking WikiSyntax shows a help page, but it doesn't seem to render correctly.. is this a bug?
< 1122416554 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it is, however it's a known bug.
< 1122416567 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I switched the page to CSS instead of tables, and that got screwy.
< 1122416589 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oic.. 
< 1122416624 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, I switched the default template too, so the default template is broken 8-D
< 1122416762 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Only if you have the Subwindow rendering plugin)
< 1122417711 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :phew.. i'm almost ready with trigger specs
< 1122417712 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think
< 1122417872 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_O
< 1122418042 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1122418052 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i'm trying to find some good quote
< 1122418062 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come ooooooooooooon, write an interpreter in BF :)
< 1122418074 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the cool kids write their interpreters in BF.
< 1122418079 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1122418084 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i never was kool kid
< 1122418090 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1122418111 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1122418131 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually bf interpreter for this language wouldn't be that hard
< 1122418388 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes to brush teeth
< 1122418638 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll go to bed, see you tomorrow. I'll take a look at those specs then (if I can find them)
< 1122418715 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1122418719 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll post the link here
< 1122418725 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nite
< 1122418744 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye
< 1122418745 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1122418969 0 :graue!~graue@ip68-100-130-21.dc.dc.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1122420060 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TRIGGER SPECS (capitalized so int-e can notice them more easily)
< 1122420061 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://koti.mbnet.fi/yiap/trigger/trigger.html
< 1122420070 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trigger?
< 1122420075 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :feel free to ask questions and point out the flaws
< 1122420080 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a new esolangs
< 1122420093 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :read
< 1122420793 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: read?
< 1122420848 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahhh, tense.  Wouldn't it make sense if English conjugated tense?  It makes me tense, the fence that isn't in the tense in Engl...ense.
< 1122420933 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1122421178 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, time to quit if i want to get up tomorrow.. arrgh. when i get home i'm staying up hours later..
< 1122421182 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'nite
< 1122421188 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye
< 1122421195 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye
< 1122421197 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Funkadelic!"
< 1122421355 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION catches up with the backlog and goes phewwww!
< 1122421415 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the backlog is smelly?
< 1122421439 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like: phew! I did it
< 1122421456 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should have used a different exclamation
< 1122421654 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whew!
< 1122421729 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought I had the item logic worked out for my game.. not good enough tho!
< 1122421804 0 :kipple_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :game? what game? are we talking about a game written in an esolang here? :)
< 1122421814 0 :kipple_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :kipple
< 1122421820 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no :( 
< 1122421847 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :working on my 2k adventure game entry
< 1122421847 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad ;)
< 1122421851 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes
< 1122421871 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kipple would be a fun language for programming games in IF ONLY it had interactive I/O
< 1122421889 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, in time it will
< 1122421901 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, alternately, if a program could call itself again
< 1122421913 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the current o stack as the program's i stack next time
< 1122421924 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, that wouldn't work
< 1122421930 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now THAT is an interesting suggestion...
< 1122421931 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, something like that
< 1122421941 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why wouldn't it work?
< 1122421948 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would you do actual output to the user? or get actual input from the user?
< 1122421961 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you could, say, preserve the r stack between executions, that might be something
< 1122421968 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1122421995 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, it will all be solved with the next version of Kipple (whenever that will be done.....)
< 1122422069 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, calamari, what are you coding the game in? assembler?
< 1122422081 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah 8088 asm
< 1122422099 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using ms-dos int calls
< 1122422114 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the 2k limit on the source code or the binary or both?
< 1122422164 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for interpreted languages there is a different limit, I think it's 2899 bytes of source
< 1122422178 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the source doesn't matter for compiled/assembled languages
< 1122422202 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember the max binary size, but iirc more than 2048 bytes (which makes no sense)
< 1122422237 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you also get an 8k data file
< 1122422299 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh here is the binary number, 2799 bytes
< 1122422361 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then also, if you really want, you can use 2929 bytes for an interpreted source :)
< 1122422385 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rules of the contest are esoteric, at least.. hehe