< 1122681811 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Quaa, where did that table come from? < 1122681991 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I created it from the data on the wiki page < 1122682000 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll automate that if there's any interest < 1122682035 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RIght now there's about 0 interest in FYB, sooo *shrugs* < 1122682156 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like a rather brainfucked idea, honestly < 1122682181 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is not sure whether that's a compliment or an insult :P < 1122682281 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm looking at the spec, but I promise nothing < 1122682299 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd just much more like to see a compact table then that lengthy report ;) < 1122682307 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :than < 1122684988 0 :heatsink!~heatsink@c-24-61-94-111.hsd1.nh.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1122690370 0 :tokigun!~tokigun@219.248.202.39 JOIN :#esoteric < 1122693852 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Donate a manual typewriter to ME for your only hope for a future!" < 1122694954 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1122696449 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Bye!" < 1122699743 0 :calamari!~calamari@dialup-4.240.108.64.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1122699758 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1122700721 0 :{^Raven^}!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1122700721 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1122700721 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1122700952 0 :{^Raven^}!~{^Raven^}@82-38-204-252.cable.ubr05.shef.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1122700995 0 :GregorR_!~chatzilla@c-24-21-138-66.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1122701000 0 :GregorR_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :GregorR < 1122702350 0 :lament!~lament@S010600110999ad06.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1122704064 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BIG EXPLOSION TIME!!! < 1122704068 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM! < 1122704076 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION explodes vehemently. < 1122704113 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION claps < 1122704444 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION bows. < 1122705293 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1122706272 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1122707460 0 :graue!~graue@ip68-100-135-226.dc.dc.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1122707501 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :note for jix or anyone else interested in benchmarking BF implementations: < 1122707517 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :factor.b by Brian Raiter may be a worthwhile/interesting test < 1122707545 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can save a large integer followed by newline in a text file, and pass that on stdin < 1122708944 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Donate a manual typewriter to ME for your only hope for a future!" < 1122710399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1122710400 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1122714024 0 :tokigun_!tokigun@sparcs45.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1122714041 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops... < 1122714057 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"trying to use irssi proxy for freenode" < 1122714075 0 :tokigun_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1122714116 0 :tokigun!tokigun@sparcs45.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1122714699 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"testing..." < 1122714716 0 :tokigun!tokigun@sparcs45.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1122714730 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1122714756 0 :tokigun!tokigun@sparcs45.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1122714963 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1122718599 0 :{^Raven^}!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone know if brainwash 0.3 has been released anywhere yet < 1122721683 0 :jix!jix@p5489DAA3.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1122724870 0 :int-e!~noone@td9091bcf.pool.terralink.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1122736110 0 :Keymaker!~a@wire74.adsl.netsonic.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1122736121 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'ello < 1122736158 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :check out language #759 at 99-bottles-of-beer.net.. < 1122736160 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(trigger) < 1122736271 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rgh. i'll be a while away, i have to return some dvds < 1122736272 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1122737359 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keymaker: cool < 1122737721 0 :Gs30ng!L@221.140.214.203 JOIN :#esoteric < 1122737781 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheers < 1122737785 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Udage official website is now available: http://gs30ng.exca.net/udage < 1122737975 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :judging by the logs it seems gregor has exploded once again.. < 1122737981 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything other interesting happened? < 1122738127 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1122738134 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1122738134 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm working on my website... < 1122738139 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1122738163 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemme guess.. it has esolangs? < 1122738207 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm going to use it for all my projects (including esolangs) < 1122738216 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1122738401 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i have to make a database layout < 1122738407 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1122738412 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the annoying part < 1122738414 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1122738421 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have used a bit database < 1122738426 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not very good at it < 1122738429 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(mysql) < 1122738472 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use a gui so it's easy to actually create all the tables.. but i don't want to create the tables and recreate them tomorrow because they don't work as i want < 1122738518 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1122738696 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want: a simple blog, some pages (with comment function) and a file manager < 1122738733 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1122738917 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh.. < 1122738922 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happened? < 1122738923 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mysqld refuses to start < 1122738925 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::} < 1122738929 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean :\ < 1122738950 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Starting mysqld daemon with databases from /usr/local/mysql/data < 1122738950 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :STOPPING server from pid file /usr/local/mysql/data/oceanic.local.pid < 1122738950 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :050730 16:55:50 mysqld ended < 1122739105 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reinstall... < 1122739413 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mysql sucks < 1122739414 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1122741386 0 :{^Raven^}!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: if you have/use DWMX there is a good tutorial on making a PHP/MySQL blog on the macromedia site < 1122742350 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i wrote the design by hand < 1122742369 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm not going to use php < 1122742375 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because php sucks < 1122742385 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1122742397 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and i guess you'll be using ruby?) < 1122742414 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i wan't an object-orientated (php is pseudo object-orientated) language for web-applications < 1122742430 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i want a mvc webapp (model-view-controller) < 1122742439 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm using ruby-on-rails < 1122742497 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :php is not object orientated because i have to do ary_push($array,"bla") instead of $array.push("bla")... < 1122742506 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i hate using str_* ary_* ... < 1122742524 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i hate $ variables < 1122742538 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok ok < 1122742556 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1122742623 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm typing is hard if you connect your fingers to each other with some rubber band.. < 1122742641 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(too bad i don't have another to tie the right hand) < 1122742710 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol? < 1122742717 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1122742735 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, had to take the rubber band off, the colour started to change in fingers < 1122742745 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*g* < 1122742775 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its funny to type with one hand < 1122742783 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting new esoteric programming tool; the rubber band! tie your fingers to make it harder to type < 1122742790 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1122742803 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i prefer typing with one hand < 1122742811 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1122742827 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know how fast i am with one hand < 1122743016 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your score: 123 keys per minute ~ 24 words per minute < 1122743017 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one handed < 1122743028 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not bad < 1122743042 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm testing 2 handed now < 1122743047 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :typera.tk < 1122743048 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there < 1122743079 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lang is english because german umlauts and those Uppercase words slow down... < 1122743225 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your score: 349 keys per minute ~ 69 words per minute < 1122743259 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mistakes: nly(only), eastwood(Eastwood), pice(piece), cu(cut), tof(of), argely(largely), diversityy(diversity), dnominations,(denominations,), it(its), fell(feel) < 1122745444 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :must go watch holmes!! < 1122746879 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1122747153 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) < 1122749030 0 :graue!~graue@ip68-100-135-226.dc.dc.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1122749039 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote up a 1L proposal at http://www.esolangs.org/wiki/Talk:1L < 1122749937 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just found a flaw in it; it can't output 0 bits, so apparently it needs a special TL2 < 1122753900 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Umm .. can you flip TL0 without going to TL-1? < 1122754055 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1122754059 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the flippage is done after the move < 1122754086 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, so it is, I was reading backwards. < 1122754178 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.oceanbase.org/graue/junk/1l_a.c untested interpreter < 1122754181 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be good if Down and Right were nops, so you could get as far from the corner as you'd like before actually going. < 1122754220 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if it affects hypothetical Turing-completeness though. < 1122754235 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I guess you have a point < 1122754315 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :updated the interpreter to switch up/down < 1122754370 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of which, if you can figure out why HelloWorld.2l doesn't work in my interpreter even with up/down switched, let me know < 1122754400 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's probably because mine is horribly flawed 8D < 1122754947 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've changed the symbols in 1L_a < 1122754956 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was * is now space, what was + is now everything else < 1122755504 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what color is the best for my website < 1122755509 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix.is-a-geek.org:59658/design/designrot/design.html jix.is-a-geek.org:59658/design/designblau/design.html jix.is-a-geek.org:59658/design/design.html ? < 1122755564 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer the blue one < 1122755582 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1122755588 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone says the blue is the best < 1122755599 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but imo the blue is the worst one < 1122755600 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the red is too in-your-face to be used throughout the page < 1122755609 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the yellow is too bright, although the color isn't bad < 1122755620 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer the yellow one. < 1122755630 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But as the only person on the planet who likes yellow tones, my opinion is invalid. < 1122755645 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the yellow one would be great if it were darker < 1122755659 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: the yellow one is the original.. i prefer the yellow and the red but i can't decide < 1122755678 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree with graue that the red is too "in-your-face" < 1122755689 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1122755772 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :color should be esoteric < 1122755777 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops typo < 1122755858 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gs30ng: show me an esoteric color < 1122756373 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grue_%28color%29 < 1122756559 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1122756582 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://jix.is-a-geek.org:59658/design/designgruen/design.html << green < 1122756713 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grue or bleen...hmm < 1122757845 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Donate a manual typewriter to ME for your only hope for a future!" < 1122761090 0 :{^Raven^}!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wandered into the dark and was eaten by a Grue < 1122761333 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1122761603 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1122762071 0 :calamari!~calamari@dialup-4.240.150.155.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1122762073 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1122762093 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bfdebug 1.50 is now available: http://lilly.csoft.net/~jeffryj/programs/bf/ < 1122762097 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: cool < 1122762111 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bfdebug is cool < 1122762119 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1122762184 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is one feature i'd like to have < 1122762196 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a set program pointer to position feature < 1122762220 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want goto? < 1122762235 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes a goto button < 1122762245 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what woudl you use that for (just curious) < 1122762258 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just test a part of a code < 1122762274 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :start the code at any point < 1122762296 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like it'd get confused because the brackets wouldn't match < 1122762322 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can stop edit and remove brackets.. no problems < 1122762335 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop edit remove-bracktets start.... < 1122762351 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, wait.. it wouldn't care < 1122762361 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'd like to stop goto start < 1122762378 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and labeling of memory cells would be cool < 1122762389 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :labelling of memory cells is already there < 1122762398 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop just stops, clear resets < 1122762418 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: where? < 1122762420 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to label a cell, $name=cell < 1122762430 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you can jump to a cell with @name < 1122762458 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :locate is at alt+l ? < 1122762472 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a problem because the @ character on a mac is on alt-l too < 1122762493 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? how strange < 1122762503 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well macs don't use alt and ctrl for command < 1122762505 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is on the 2 key? < 1122762514 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alt-2? < 1122762517 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shift-2 < 1122762520 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1122762522 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on de < 1122762530 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ on us < 1122762534 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh its de onlz < 1122762537 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only < 1122762587 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure what to do about that, since the standard for accelerators is alt-letter < 1122762607 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in java < 1122762610 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and windows < 1122762614 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you get with alt-shift-l ? < 1122762622 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fl < 1122762626 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1122762653 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where are < and > on the us layout < 1122762663 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shift , and shift . < 1122762670 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1122762681 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" is shift ' < 1122762696 0 :graue!~graue@ip68-100-135-226.dc.dc.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1122762699 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you have at shift ' ? < 1122762709 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :' is shifted < 1122762713 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have ' on < 1122762715 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# shift < 1122762723 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird... < 1122762742 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the letters are the same just y and z swapped < 1122762762 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y is very rare in german < 1122762777 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oic < 1122762787 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm .. german word with y... < 1122762824 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :old-spelling oxyd afaik.. but the new-spelling allows oxyd and oxid but i'm not sure < 1122762856 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's only oxyd if it's connected with something else.. and than it isn't a real german word < 1122762904 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kohlenstoffdioxid is CO2 but O is Sauerstoff... < 1122763009 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you have alt-s, alt-p, alt-r, alt-f, alt-c? and what would you like alt-something for Locate? < 1122763059 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s:‚ p:π r:® f:ƒ c:ç < 1122763066 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :p < 1122763101 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't read any of those letters on the first line < 1122763124 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :utf8? < 1122763143 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try /charset UTF-8 < 1122763158 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:38:42 s:‚ p:π r:® f:ƒ c:ç < 1122763177 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alt-s is comma? < 1122763187 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or some comma-alike < 1122763191 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i have a comma key < 1122763197 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so it doesn't matter < 1122763212 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like the only one I need to change is Alt-L < 1122763246 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afk short < 1122763250 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll add a --german command line option that changes it to Alt-P < 1122763278 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm launching it using the finder... no command line < 1122763290 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and it should be --german-mac < 1122763302 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because on german windows its altgr-q afaik < 1122763327 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, I can make a menu option for it < 1122763333 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe thanks < 1122763558 0 :{^Raven^}!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi calamari < 1122764219 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi raven < 1122764231 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: got the kayboard fix done, now thinking about goto < 1122764349 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1122764355 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1122764386 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: is Alt-G a problem? < 1122764392 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its the copyright sign < 1122764397 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok good < 1122764431 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ and ~ are the only alt-letter ascii characters < 1122764455 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~ is alt-n and is a combine key alt-n => ~ alt-n+n => ñ < 1122764850 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool, goto was easy :) < 1122764928 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything else before I put this up? < 1122764969 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :raven: any bugs you've noticed in bfdebug? features? < 1122764998 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :converting $a=0 and @a and such things to >>> and <<< < 1122765028 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and another (bigger) feature a template system < 1122765038 0 :{^Raven^}!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: yeah, bfdebug still throws exceptions occasionally < 1122765068 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when? < 1122765083 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've fixed one when cell=0 and inst = < < 1122765094 0 :{^Raven^}!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i might be using an old version < 1122765106 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have a library with templates like @var1+@var2- and you can insert it replacing @var1 and @var2 with @a and @some_other_var < 1122765124 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and [code] with some other code (the selected as default) < 1122765141 0 :{^Raven^}!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: ignore, I'm using an ancient version atm, will upgrade :) < 1122765149 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'k :) < 1122765153 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's just a cool not-so-important feature < 1122765165 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: I think I'll pass on that.. sounds very complicated < 1122765172 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the conversion is more important imho < 1122765184 0 :{^Raven^}!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: bfdebug 1.22 was pretty fast with screen update disabled < 1122765209 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :screen update disabled? < 1122765222 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure what that means :) < 1122765245 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the new Fast option makes it run without updating the memory view until the program is stopped < 1122765250 0 :{^Raven^}!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i disabled all redraw code just for the fun of it and bfdebug ran really fast < 1122765259 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, same thing :) < 1122765263 0 :{^Raven^}!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1122765284 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :speed test code: +[[+]->+] < 1122765320 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes the speed increase with fast is gigantic < 1122765348 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh another idea slow=> update always normal=> update every 20 instructions fast=> update never < 1122765377 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because slow is to slow and fast isn't that good for debugging < 1122765398 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and yet another idea... [-] optimisations.. i know [-] works i don't have to debug it ;) < 1122765403 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fast is most useful with the # stop < 1122765411 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[-] is already optimized < 1122765427 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1122765434 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't in 1.30 < 1122765442 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was it 1.2? < 1122765454 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the version i used for developing my hexprint code < 1122765477 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm +++ => +3.. maybe? < 1122765477 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you use the step button, it will still go through the [-] manually, but pass/run jump past in one step < 1122765510 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking about combining +/- but I'm not sure it'd really speed things up much < 1122765519 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in slow mode it does < 1122765536 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and > and < too < 1122765569 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my hexprint uses much [--------------->+<] alike code and that's slow in slow mode but i like to watch memory < 1122765582 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what exactly does pass? < 1122765636 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it executes a single pass of a loop < 1122765643 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1122765681 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't @bla conflict with Bit @? < 1122765702 0 :{^Raven^}!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: woah, that's fast < 1122765707 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :short note: updating the screen more than 100 times a second is absolutely meaningless < 1122765743 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: nope.. as long as you're careful about it < 1122765752 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I often use timers for screen update < 1122765804 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have a $abc=3 and you do @abc of course that'll conflict.. so don't do that ;) < 1122765903 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: stop has no short-cut < 1122765911 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: alt-R < 1122765939 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :inserts an ® sign at the current command < 1122765948 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and stops < 1122765956 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1122765982 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't do that here.. < 1122765982 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would disallow writes to the code during execution < 1122766012 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: good idea.. let me see if I can arrange that < 1122766098 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is my hostname 127.0.0.1 < 1122766104 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of oceanic.local < 1122766186 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that was easy enough :) < 1122766373 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: I just realized Alt-P is already being used by Pass, so that can't be the substitute for Alt-L < 1122766409 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about Alt-O < 1122766447 0 :{^Raven^}!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: on current source bfdebug is stepping through the code at about 1cps in non-fast mode < 1122766448 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is ok < 1122766477 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :100cps here < 1122766501 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :raven: I noticed that once, but thought it was related to a bug I was working on at the time < 1122766519 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which program? < 1122766619 0 :{^Raven^}!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LostKingdom compiled with -d -t (code is 2.1Mb so that may be a factor) < 1122766657 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1122766723 0 :{^Raven^}!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in non-fast mode UI takes about 5s to respond to input, in fast mode works as expected < 1122766747 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doing the same here < 1122766797 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahah < 1122766801 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1L is sick < 1122766814 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION finally wrote a working 1L program to print "A", after two failed attempts < 1122766857 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems to be slow on step and pass also < 1122766872 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.oceanbase.org/graue/junk/a.1l < 1122766936 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interpreter: http://www.oceanbase.org/graue/junk/1l_a.c < 1122766993 0 :{^Raven^}!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: switching to slow mode the memory bar is not scrolling on > or < either < 1122766999 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.oceanbase.org/graue/junk/a.1l is more than 1L.... < 1122767016 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix, what? < 1122767027 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is the white part the path.. i don't see the 1 instruction < 1122767035 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has two symbols intentionally if that's what you mean < 1122767039 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the spaces are the path < 1122767079 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isit turing complete? < 1122767135 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :raven: that's strange, because it uses the original code when in slow mode < 1122767138 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: I think so < 1122767144 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does 1.22 scroll on > and < ? < 1122767153 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: but of course I haven't written anything in it that requires a loop yet < 1122767163 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: see http://www.esolangs.org/wiki/Talk:1L < 1122767167 0 :{^Raven^}!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: yes < 1122767352 0 :{^Raven^}!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: hmmm... another oddity < 1122767416 0 :{^Raven^}!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am running bfbasc (from BFBASIC examples) on itself and the input is being echoed to the output < 1122767425 0 :{^Raven^}!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same thing happens with bf2c et al < 1122767468 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{^Raven^}: maybe you checked the echo-input-to-output option? < 1122767676 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb.. gotta use phone < 1122767740 0 :{^Raven^}!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: thx, i hadn't spotted that new option