< 1124236815 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've reached the 40s in nethack with only one key.
< 1124236818 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i died as a knight in the first few moves because i fall from my horse 2 times
< 1124236835 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THats sad
< 1124236996 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to write a roquelike in asm
< 1124237007 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :preferable some old cpu
< 1124237050 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Older the better
< 1124237077 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1802 is infinite cool
< 1124237083 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's from like 1976
< 1124237123 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't know a computer based on it that is roquelike-able
< 1124237163 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, yeah, that could be an issue
< 1124237178 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the voyager uses 1802 cpus
< 1124237188 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the space thing...)
< 1124237211 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the NASA asked me for a cpu and i told them a random number...
< 1124237312 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION searches a computer at http://emulation.net/
< 1124237437 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should use a 6502 cpu based computer
< 1124237496 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i shouldn't start writing that because i won't finish that anyway
< 1124237527 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might be a good idea. I haven't really started any details until I finish the spec...
< 1124237540 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got one more issue to deal with, then I think I can move on to the instruction reference and be done
< 1124237700 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll spend a while writing a manual and handy printable pdf reference chart, then work on the interpreter
< 1124237728 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the dev tools I mentioned earlier - file format spec (easy) and conversion utility (relatively easy)
< 1124237810 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm going to write a mandelbrot renderer in 1802 asm and then mv self bed
< 1124237829 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds good... I think
< 1124237863 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't get how to controll PIXIE(b/w) graphic chip...
< 1124237892 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses the 1802 data channel to direct access the memory and slow down the cpu by stealing a few cycles
< 1124238030 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm...
< 1124238040 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to do some vague research on that
< 1124238058 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the tinyelf emulator for osx is pretty cool for development
< 1124238079 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a mem viewer internal state viewer execution tracer breakpoints stepping...
< 1124238121 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the 1802 has a SEX instruction
< 1124238125 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SEt X
< 1124238156 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1124238198 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you often need to set x
< 1124238208 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 1802 programs contain a lot of SEX
< 1124238225 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... never seen a chip that needs to be rated M
< 1124238230 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even the voyager space thing has a lot of SEX
< 1124238257 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION lacks an OSX machine
< 1124238269 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WildHalcyon: buy one
< 1124238273 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about designing a SEX Programming Language
< 1124238302 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EOF -> orgasm or something
< 1124238322 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i may be kicked
< 1124238340 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jix: Once I pay off my $70K student loans
< 1124238361 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my machine is 5 or 6 years old...
< 1124238385 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION votes not to kick Gs30ng, provided he mentions John Holmes in the contributers section of his spec for the lang
< 1124238411 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did some upgrades on it and it's still pretty fast
< 1124238438 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :First order of business is to get a new linux box
< 1124238442 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is John Holmes
< 1124238467 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An actor from the 70s
< 1124238480 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :John Holmes, Porn Star
< 1124238501 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :google is your friend
< 1124238503 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's fairly famous, and slightly esoteric, but not really.
< 1124239186 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BF->Sex translation (for encoding possibly illegal algorithms when your only means of production is porn): + = standard missionary vaginal sex, - = standard doggy-style anal sex, < = woman-on-man oral, > = man-on-woman oral, [ = 69ing, ] = anything kinky ;), ',' = female orgasm, '.' = male orgasm
< 1124239240 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, for DeCSS encoded as sex :P
< 1124239303 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the program cause an error if . comes before , ?
< 1124239330 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounded cleaner in my head. I apologize
< 1124239373 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's purely a method of encoding BF, all quirks of BF apply.
< 1124239390 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't have to translate BF... BF is already sex. like, brainF*CK.
< 1124239398 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heheh
< 1124239649 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok reboot in windows
< 1124239656 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"to reboot in windows"
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< 1124240390 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got the pixie to display a fixed mem position without interrupts..
< 1124240399 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd like to do it with interrupts
< 1124240403 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... yay?
< 1124240407 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1124240409 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm
< 1124240597 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the up down resolution of the PIXIE is higher than i thought
< 1124240607 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most programs downsample it using tricky timing
< 1124240628 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and my programm is destruktive.. it destroys itself
< 1124240633 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by zeroing the first byte
< 1124240641 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 0 == idle == halt cpu until interrupt
< 1124240707 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the updown resolutine is like 3x leftright resolution
< 1124240796 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gn8
< 1124240870 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are the resolutions?
< 1124240893 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't count the pixels
< 1124240896 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is searching a spec
< 1124240926 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :64 pixels in a line
< 1124240967 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :128 lines
< 1124240981 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thats fairly small. You'd be hard pressed to write a reliable roguelike on that
< 1124241006 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the odd thing is that it is for tv output but tvs have more ppl than lines
< 1124241013 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ppl is a tla for pixels per line
< 1124241061 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :got it
< 1124241078 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tla is a tla for three letter acronym
< 1124241084 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... it makes some sense, if they're trying to get square output
< 1124241099 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :square output?
< 1124241143 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the pixels are like dashes
< 1124241149 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not like dots/squares
< 1124241157 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other way around it'd make sense
< 1124241194 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose because conventional pixels aren't square, they're rectangular as well
< 1124241254 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but conventional pixels are supposed to be 1:1 like not 1:3.. 1:1.n is ok but 1:3...
< 1124241355 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I can confidently claim that I have no idea why they did that
< 1124241488 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe
< 1124241489 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gn8
< 1124241494 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Bitte waehlen Sie eine Beerdigungnachricht"
< 1124243873 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :conventional pixels aren't 1:1, are they?
< 1124243900 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dont think they are...
< 1124243983 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PAL uses a square ratio
< 1124244020 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NTSC doesnt
< 1124244059 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NTSC uses 1.23
< 1124247237 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :............
< 1124247246 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't think PAL was square ....
< 1124247258 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that I have any reason to think either way :P
< 1124247316 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Furthermore, televisions don't have horizontal pixels per se.
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< 1124247372 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1124247379 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just looking at the site
< 1124247380 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have a fixed number of scanlines (480 in NTSC if I remember right) with non-discrete content.
< 1124247382 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey!
< 1124247386 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You two can help me!
< 1124247390 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no.
< 1124247391 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;)
< 1124247410 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hides
< 1124247433 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Im taking a break from my REAL esolang to work on one that is more or less just a shell of an idea.
< 1124247436 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :come in here! ----> +[]   ;)
< 1124247451 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it a party?
< 1124247465 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wears a funny hat
< 1124247477 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's liek the hotel california.. you can enter but never leave ... 
< 1124247490 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wears a black top-hat.
< 1124247516 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm... I suppose, but thats only IF you believe the eagles. I personally think they were a bunch of lying bastards.
< 1124247520 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't generally wear hats.. 
< 1124247534 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is weird because it's so sunny here in AZ
< 1124247572 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WildHalcyon: sorry.. bf joke.. hehehe, 
< 1124247584 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I discovered the beauty of balanced ternary arithmetic
< 1124247595 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I get it ;-)
< 1124247601 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION knows some BF
< 1124247650 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, you called it ternary istead of trinary.. coolness.. what's up?
< 1124247690 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now Im trying to implement an esolang with {-,0,+} with the + representing angels, and - represent demons, and the language motto is: "The ultimate battle between good & evil is now turing complete!"
< 1124247740 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought about implementing a 2D terrain map, with little roads that the armies of men could take to travel between cities (operators)... but Im not quite sure where to go from there, or even if I should go anywhere with this
< 1124247746 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's 0.. luke-warm?  
< 1124247762 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose, 0 would be neutral, like.. um... purgatory
< 1124247766 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or Earth, even.
< 1124247789 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds interesting
< 1124247800 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd be cool
< 1124247803 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Essentially, each variable is an army, with the individual trits representing good/neutral/evil souls within the army
< 1124247810 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially once I get my 3-d graphics card working again 
< 1124247957 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has been messing around with particles and gravity.. still working out how to do the math
< 1124247972 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an idea, just can't seem to make the final connections
< 1124248015 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thats where Im at with my normal esolang, which is much less esoteric, much more practical
< 1124248018 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :F=G*m1*m2/r^2, resulting force = sum of force vectors acting on the object
< 1124248038 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right?
< 1124248091 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait.. tan angle = opp / adj, iirc
< 1124248122 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep.. figured it out then :)
< 1124248135 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup
< 1124248142 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, hmm... alright
< 1124248159 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :been too long since physics class
< 1124248194 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I vaguely remember physics, with my hippie professor. Man, that was crazy
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< 1124252141 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"SKYIRC Ver Pro http://cafe.naver.com/skyirc.cafe #skyirc"
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< 1124254244 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm
< 1124254253 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well.. welcome back doppelganger
< 1124254270 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi WildHalcyon  :)
< 1124254279 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ive been reading some slashdot on ternary computing. Man... they get defensive!
< 1124254311 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has particles wiggling around (no physics yet, random walk) but some kind of bug makes it reset or something every few seconds
< 1124254336 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... what exactly does it... ermm.. what is it supposed to do?
< 1124254341 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder if the garbage collector is doing it
< 1124254362 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted to apply gravity forces to the particles and see what happened
< 1124254384 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just simple curiousity
< 1124254419 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, you have several particles, and they're all under gravitational forces from one another, correct?
< 1124254461 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not yet.. but yeah
< 1124254470 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so initially they have 0 velocity and 0 accel
< 1124254473 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate GC
< 1124254523 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but as the forces are applies they should start moving around :)
< 1124254566 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking that if two particles collided I would make it an inelastic collision
< 1124254585 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the new mass would be the sum of the two old masses
< 1124254595 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should, unless you're providing some kind of repelling force
< 1124254634 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyhow.. it's weird that it is doing this resetting thing
< 1124254668 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean by "resetting" ?
< 1124254720 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the dots will be wiggling around, then all the sudden they will all be in totally different places and there will be less of them
< 1124254745 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.. yeah, thats resettin' all right
< 1124254757 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there some kind of counter overflow?
< 1124254787 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm interesting.. doesn't seem to happen if I Thread.sleep() with a high enough value
< 1124254864 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyhow, Ive got class tomorrow, so Im outta here for the night ;-)
< 1124254865 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really using counters.. using an iterator to go through the particles
< 1124254870 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cya WildHalcyon 
< 1124254878 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :later!
< 1124254884 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1124254992 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahaha.. I know what's wrong..  dumb dumb dumb
< 1124255025 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not thread safe :)
< 1124255460 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1124257587 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Bye!"
< 1124264895 0 :WildHalcyon!n=wildhal@216.154.205.203 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1124264911 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone still up? I ended up doing the non-sleep thing
< 1124265055 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1124265059 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey!
< 1124265066 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about class?
< 1124265083 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know..
< 1124265131 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a problem with insomnia occassionally. I tend to think too much, or something.
< 1124265135 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is thinking
< 1124265187 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a similar problem if I go to bed just after programming something
< 1124265221 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mgiht sleep, but badly.. usually filled with "nightmares" such as trying to figure something complicated out but never being able to
< 1124265240 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or having to remember something 
< 1124265246 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, programming nightmares? That sounds like... hmm.. programming
< 1124265254 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which never seems to be useful once I wake up)
< 1124265300 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reading slashdot or sites like imdb usually seems to cure it
< 1124265443 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :found a neat linux program called planets.. better than the program I was hoping to write
< 1124265456 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, there we go!
< 1124265599 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended
< 1124265600 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric
< 1124265726 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I finished the prelim spec on my language: http://www4.ncsu.edu/~bcthomp2/CRAWL.txt
< 1124265733 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its in alpha development :-D
< 1124265825 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what class did you have?
< 1124265879 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Genetics, not a terribly difficult class
< 1124265902 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I should probably show up in the hopes of getting a karmic reward or something
< 1124266984 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alright, Im gonna give sleep another go
< 1124266997 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
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< 1124267213 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :re
< 1124268371 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1124268907 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving"
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< 1124279452 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moin moin
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< 1124288963 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moin int-e 
< 1124288969 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi
< 1124288985 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl
< 1124291260 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/back
< 1124291270 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: ping
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< 1124295533 0 :Kmkr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'ello
< 1124295565 0 :Kmkr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can anyone summary the past days logs in few words?
< 1124296707 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly harmless.
< 1124296868 0 :Kmkr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1124296870 0 :Kmkr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1124297157 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1124297188 0 :Kmkr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm this CRAWL seems interesting
< 1124297328 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION stumbles across the desert, bleeding from the ping wound through his shoulder.
< 1124297351 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION collapses, no longer able to stay conscious because of blood lost from his ping wound.
< 1124297366 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrhr
< 1124297381 0 :Kmkr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1124297443 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, jix has a vowel in the name but none in the message, Kmkr has a vowel in the message but none in the name :P
< 1124297545 0 :Kmkr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
< 1124297557 0 :Kmkr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can't be coincidence
< 1124297721 0 :Kmkr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grh.. no time to do anything.. back to reading..
< 1124297742 0 :Kmkr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION 's head explodes.
< 1124297745 0 :Kmkr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"I've seen this d�j� vu before.."
< 1124297763 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :his head exploded.
< 1124298634 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :These things happen *shrugs*
< 1124300527 0 :cpressey!i=nobody@d154-20-76-195.bchsia.telus.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1124302300 0 :Gs30ng!i=L@221.140.214.203 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1124302412 0 :Keymaker!n=a@wire74.adsl.netsonic.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1124302460 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back again.. enough of reading :p
< 1124302738 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, your head exploded
< 1124302755 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1124302767 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a good point to stop reading ;)
< 1124302774 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1124303612 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why we need multiple head
< 1124303616 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :democracy or something
< 1124303636 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : hehe
< 1124304551 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mh
< 1124304624 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[insert several angry animal voices here]
< 1124307651 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[insert several happy animal voices here]
< 1124308000 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1124308012 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[insert several in-heat animal voices here]
< 1124308092 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aarhhg z]
< 1124308916 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye
< 1124308932 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1124310897 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HURRAH FOR ALL THE ESOLANG!!!!!!
< 1124311141 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Lost terminal"
< 1124311236 0 :cpressey!i=nobody@d154-20-76-195.bchsia.telus.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1124311905 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Lost terminal"
< 1124311988 0 :cpressey!i=nobody@d154-20-76-195.bchsia.telus.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1124315537 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hands cpressey a case of terminals, plus a few pseudoterminals and xterms.
< 1124315556 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1124315589 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He seems to be losing them awfully fast, figured he could use them more than I could *shrugs*
< 1124315592 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hopes GregorR left a hole for pizza delivery
< 1124315646 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is now stuck in it
< 1124315812 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that terminal means some kind of examination and cpressey lost it, like, failed or something
< 1124315848 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR would rather give him some advice to be a copycat rather than more terminals
< 1124316371 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you, GregorR.
< 1124316380 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could have been worse... my connection could be been refused by peer
< 1124316396 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, perish the thought, there might have been no route to host
< 1124316517 0 :{^Raven^}!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1124316566 0 :{^Raven^}!n={^Raven^@82-38-204-252.cable.ubr05.shef.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1124316627 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, in the worst case imaginable, your client could have quit
< 1124316657 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or NASA guys again
< 1124316940 0 :calamari!n=Kid@cb03.cs.arizona.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1124316948 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1124316956 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moin calamari 
< 1124317025 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i always feel a bit weird when i see that moin of jix... in my hometown language moin means 'grouped' or 'congregated'
< 1124317035 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it goes 'grouped calamari'
< 1124317053 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my language moin means "I hope you die"
< 1124317136 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: lol
< 1124317137 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi jix, grouped Gs30ng :)
< 1124317147 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moin lament ;)
< 1124317170 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1124317334 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afk
< 1124317340 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: how's your mud going?
< 1124317483 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's doing a game too?  
< 1124317499 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's designing an engine
< 1124317511 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mud engine, i heard
< 1124317529 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately not in esolang
< 1124317535 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: yes but not for the contests afaik
< 1124317536 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in C++
< 1124317538 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was just about to ask... :)
< 1124317564 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :again, what kind of terminal did you lose, cpressey? a token? a literal? did you ever lose a non-terminal?
< 1124317572 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: i need some weird computer for writing a textadv for it
< 1124317583 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when i say weird i mean REALLY weird
< 1124317597 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: abacus?
< 1124317601 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe cosmac elf works
< 1124317608 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the screen is that lowres
< 1124317618 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :64x128 (yes 68x 128y)
< 1124317631 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and on a real tv screen it doesn't show the full area afaik
< 1124317646 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;)  http://lilly.csoft.net/~jeffryj/images/misc/bfcomp.jpg
< 1124317648 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i don't know what part of the area is displayed
< 1124317657 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrhr
< 1124317689 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's the space to insert the code
< 1124317689 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that's not lowres; ZX-81 had 64x44
< 1124317706 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: pixel in bw?
< 1124317708 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :has, even (I have one handy)
< 1124317711 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1124317716 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1124317727 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok tiny elf has to work
< 1124317735 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember what channel f had
< 1124317735 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actually a semi-graphic character (the screen is 32x22)
< 1124317754 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the good thing 1802 asm is really short
< 1124317784 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :128x64.. wow.. advanced :)
< 1124317787 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all instructions are 1 byte (but may take a 1byte value/adress or 2 byte adress)
< 1124317794 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: wait
< 1124317798 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :64x128
< 1124317810 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's really stupid that its 64x128 instead of 128x64
< 1124317839 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing about the channel f is that the games looked and sounded pretty bad.. but they were fun!
< 1124317845 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it's pretty much the same as Z80, except the Z80 has some prefixes to extend the instruction set
< 1124317868 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: but z80 has not 16 16bit registers
< 1124317888 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and whenever you play one of GregorR's muds never type pwnd.. that kill's you
< 1124317888 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, it has just 9 IIRC
< 1124317903 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the z80 can't use ANY of them as IP
< 1124317946 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right (oh well, I didn't count PC, IR, AF or AF')
< 1124317953 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the z80 isn't in the voyager (satellite )
< 1124317963 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't count the 8bit accumulator
< 1124317967 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's in the good ol' Speccy :P
< 1124317970 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the 4bit X and P register
< 1124317978 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the 8 bit T register
< 1124317978 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe your own computer out of transistors
< 1124317987 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: thought about that
< 1124318000 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4bit registers? funny
< 1124318001 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'd prefer a fpga it's easier..
< 1124318007 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: they are register pointers
< 1124318008 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that DOES make it superior
< 1124318017 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they point to one of the 16 16bit registers
< 1124318023 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :P points to the IP
< 1124318042 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and X points to the register used for memory addressing for many instructions
< 1124318056 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can set X using the SEt X instruction .. short: SEX
< 1124318072 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I've read it in the backlog :)
< 1124318077 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once programmed an asm that had the SEX instr
< 1124318095 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was pretty nice.. had 16 registers r0 to r15 
< 1124318107 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: maybe it was 1802
< 1124318110 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't remember the chip model
< 1124318136 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1802 is a cpu from the 70s
< 1124318153 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was the 90's, maybe a decendant of the 1802 
< 1124318167 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are two decendants
< 1124318179 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they were 70s too i think
< 1124318193 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they weren't very popular..
< 1124318199 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they are COOL
< 1124318199 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only reason to use a chip that old is if it was cheap
< 1124318214 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was cheap to that time too
< 1124318231 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cosmac elf was a build it yourself computer for only 100$
< 1124318249 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you can build a cpu from other logic chips
< 1124318249 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :altair cost like 1000$ afaik
< 1124318295 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :many phone line powered devices used? the 1802
< 1124318316 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it has no minimum frequency and could work slow but without consuming much power
< 1124318324 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool
< 1124318332 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they were manufactured silicon on sapphire too
< 1124318346 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(thats why they used it in satellites)
< 1124318354 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd be perfect for the whole programmable watch thing
< 1124318373 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they are too slow
< 1124318389 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't be THAT slow
< 1124318391 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and with today technologies it would be possible to design a low power cpu that is much faster than the 1802
< 1124318400 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: you have to slow it down to safe power
< 1124318404 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can fpga's be low power?
< 1124318412 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: don't think so
< 1124318454 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they need more gates for simulating a gates => they need more power
< 1124318467 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they are bigger than normal ICs
< 1124318475 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i know how they work
< 1124318481 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they use LUTs for EVERYTHING
< 1124318497 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why it's inefficient to design a fpga logic gate by gate
< 1124318508 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :verylog => 4bit LUTs is more efficient
< 1124318512 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or VHDL
< 1124318585 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is writing a 1802 assembler because the one he has SUCKS
< 1124318608 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't there a table-driven assembler for Linux?
< 1124318613 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like TASM for DOS
< 1124318616 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm just reading about the 1802.. couldn't have been my old cpu, as I remember being able to call subroutines
< 1124318636 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: there's tasm for linux too
< 1124318638 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: you can call subroutines just branch to them using another IP
< 1124318641 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, nice
< 1124318647 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and return by using the old IP
< 1124318661 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I have the registered version of tasm and the guy is still supporting it
< 1124318690 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, no wonder it's not in Debian
< 1124318706 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's shareware.. 
< 1124318756 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use it for 6502 
< 1124318767 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use cc65 for 6502 comes with an asm
< 1124318772 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't use it
< 1124318774 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i have it installed
< 1124318792 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: you said x86 asm was ugly?
< 1124318799 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: imo it is
< 1124318812 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's because you haven't tried AT&T's assembler
< 1124318816 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just hate ju?mp
< 1124318817 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assembly, even
< 1124318828 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want branch not jump
< 1124318864 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bra
< 1124318888 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind of weird... an inconditional jump is not a branching in the flow graph
< 1124318891 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, that instruction doesn't exist on the 6502's in the old atari's
< 1124318910 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: branch-relative-absolute? that makes no sense
< 1124318918 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bra branch always
< 1124318928 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bla makes sense thats branch-link-absolute
< 1124318930 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a 1-byte relative branch
< 1124318934 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :valid ppc instruction
< 1124318949 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want an assembly language where the instruction that changes PC is called GOTO :P
< 1124318958 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: uh
< 1124318959 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so instead of using 3 bytes for a jump, you could do it in 2 if it was short range
< 1124318971 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just to bug jix
< 1124318975 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just like to write b because it's shorter than jump
< 1124318987 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's jmp
< 1124318992 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;)
< 1124318995 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: b is still shorter
< 1124319001 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or on the 1802 br
< 1124319015 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: br is 1 byte adressing
< 1124319018 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know. And it does not matter. je is shorter than beq ;-)
< 1124319034 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: k...
< 1124319041 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just don't like jump
< 1124319046 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno why
< 1124319047 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only problem of jmp is that j and m are both typed with the same finger
< 1124319048 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jz :)
< 1124319050 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's ok.
< 1124319060 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jz, je, same thing.
< 1124319065 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: no jmp is typed using 3 finger
< 1124319073 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I type it with 3 fingers
< 1124319079 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't touch type....
< 1124319107 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont use a this finger that key.. i just use a finger that is free and near to that key
< 1124319110 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably why I'm so slow.. hunt & peck with years of experience
< 1124319124 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know exactly what you're talking about.
< 1124319134 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was freaky when I realized I could do it without looking
< 1124319137 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never "learned" how to type i just did it
< 1124319156 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: i started typing on keyboards in the kindergarden
< 1124319164 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, in Z80 they're jr (relative), jp (absolute)
< 1124319181 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afk
< 1124319187 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and speaking of SEX...
< 1124319214 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Z80 has no SEX but has STI which is an ultra-high level instruction (that's what is left when you take the 'E' out of 'SETI')
< 1124319224 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually it finds none so it just sets the interrupt flag and goes on, disappointed
< 1124319244 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1124319262 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's not SeT Interrupt?
< 1124319285 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, maybe that's it and I've been wrong all this time!
< 1124319293 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no...
< 1124319300 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think it's SeT Interrupt
< 1124319327 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's unlikely.. i think it's the SETI thing
< 1124319347 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it's strange because it doesn't even find me :P
< 1124319358 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnemonic quiz is fun
< 1124319370 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a easy one: ldi
< 1124319374 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wbinvd
< 1124319383 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: no idea
< 1124319386 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Z80? load, increment
< 1124319388 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix, z80, load index register.
< 1124319391 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1124319394 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ikh
< 1124319396 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek
< 1124319404 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wbinv is 'write back and invalidate cache'
< 1124319408 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :486 ;)
< 1124319414 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on 1802 LoaD Immediate 
< 1124319416 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: know of any other cpu's that can accept any clock speed?
< 1124319426 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: they have an upper limit
< 1124319431 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not a lower
< 1124319438 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry.. I meant slower
< 1124319439 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and afaik arm is able to run at a few khz
< 1124319446 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, didn't remember about wbinvd
< 1124319454 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the iPod mini 2nd generation uses it to safe power
< 1124319465 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :always uses minimal clock speed needed
< 1124319471 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was the most obscure instruction in the x86 reference guide that came with borland pascal
< 1124319481 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :32KHz crystals are (were? I'm not very up-to-date with this) usually found in wrist watches
< 1124319516 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :implementing brainfuck using transistors could be fun
< 1124319516 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fclex was neat, too
< 1124319540 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh
< 1124319554 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it ligths a bulb somewhere but everything is diffuse
< 1124319569 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and some really useful instructions, one of them being btr
< 1124319584 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, that one I remember :) bit test right
< 1124319584 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fclex: fpu clear exception. btr: bit test and reset.
< 1124319591 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh
< 1124319597 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :had the last word wrong
< 1124319604 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: I'd probably implement a bf variant where [ and ] are combined into a conditional jump instruction
< 1124319629 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking of writing a MISC VM.
< 1124319640 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd be even easier
< 1124319652 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder how many transistors misc would take
< 1124319672 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the obscure thing about btr (and bt and bts) is that when used with a memory operand, btr [bx+di], bp  , you can actually address 8kb of memory, bitwise.
< 1124319675 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time for a gcc/binutils backend, then there'll be pressure to make one ;)
< 1124319680 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can still type Z80 code in decimal in DATA lines but I can't remember the damn 486+ instruction set
< 1124319703 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I confused it with BSR (bit scan reverse)
< 1124319705 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and 0.5 GB in 32 bit mode)
< 1124319711 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno, ah!
< 1124319715 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and bsf :)
< 1124319772 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I never used these instructions; I wanted to keep 386 compatibility back then when I wrote assembly code)
< 1124319795 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never learned em.. all my x86 programs are 8088 compatible :)
< 1124319818 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm, bt* and bs* do work on i386
< 1124319842 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they do? oh O:)
< 1124319898 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it's probably because I never managed to fully learn the new instructions when I switched to the 386
< 1124319924 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the timings were weird IIRC
< 1124319935 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik only bswap and cmpxchg were new on the 486, and the builtin FPU.
< 1124319936 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is aging and forgetful
< 1124319992 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how old is aging?
< 1124320000 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aging is permanent
< 1124320002 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1124320044 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending on your definition you might stop aging when you die.
< 1124320078 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm 38 fwiw
< 1124320120 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, you're old. are you happy now?
< 1124320124 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION grins mischieviously.
< 1124320137 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe, yes, thanks :)
< 1124320276 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay.. I'm young! :)
< 1124320425 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm young
< 1124320446 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is 14 years old
< 1124320493 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how old are you, calamari?
< 1124320562 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is 27
< 1124320570 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: you are 2,71 times as old as i am
< 1124320687 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :27
< 1124320710 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was afk looking at cpu's on digikey hehe
< 1124320760 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno is e times older than jix?
< 1124320761 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1124320767 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: you're fricking OLD
< 1124320774 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha
< 1124320782 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try ancient ;)
< 1124320793 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh
< 1124320807 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1124320848 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I
< 1124320862 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'ll feel older pretty quickly in Feb
< 1124320876 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's when the baby's due :)
< 1124320934 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh
< 1124320937 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wooo
< 1124320955 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :congrats calamari :)
< 1124320957 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1124321129 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he will hopefully not be UNBABTIZED or SON OF UNBABTIZED
< 1124321159 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not son of unbabtized
< 1124321168 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but unbabtized until at least 8 :)
< 1124321208 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, that joke didn't mean to have any religious implications :)
< 1124321220 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: I know.. :)
< 1124321233 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it sure that he is 'he'?
< 1124321239 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1124321273 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then he/she could be kinda DAUGHTER OF UNBABTIZED
< 1124321282 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could have found out last time, but we went to a new clinic and they had horrible resolution on their scanner
< 1124321368 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's Aug 2005 yet... due is Feb 2006, right?
< 1124321394 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1124321728 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, looks like 386/486 have a static design too
< 1124321859 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well ... that MISC VM was way too easy.
< 1124321872 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although I had to contend with little-endianness)
< 1124321903 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: MISC VM?
< 1124321924 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :little-endiann is stupid
< 1124321945 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is misc vm?
< 1124321973 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See http://www.esolangs.org/wiki/MISC (unless I just mislinked you)
< 1124322060 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any hw implementations with memmory mapped IO?
< 1124322103 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't be that hard
< 1124322200 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFAIK there aren't any hardware implementations :P
< 1124322227 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my brother has an fpga i could use but i have no computer to program the fpga
< 1124322540 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, IMO the MISC turing completeness proof is flawed in the sense that MISC-16 uses bounded memory
< 1124322657 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, assume unlimited memory cells then
< 1124322712 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case it's not MISC-16 and the proof is not valid
< 1124322738 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus, what's two's complement of 1 in unlimited arithmetic?
< 1124322762 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-2
< 1124322779 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is MISC signed?
< 1124322810 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MISC works in a finite field
< 1124322825 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err. ring or group
< 1124322986 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that kind of reminds me of a Daily WTF entry which read like: var += -1;
< 1124323004 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MISC is signed, it's clearly not turing complete but it's turing-complete-within-the-construct-of-reality.
< 1124323035 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there was a category for that
< 1124323040 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(IE, you could make a one-instruction instruction set that was turing complete, but you couldn't make a real computer to use it, so who cares)
< 1124323074 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.esolangs.org/wiki/Bounded-storage_machine
< 1124323078 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was it