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01:10:53 <Wildhalcyon> Am I the only one having trouble checking out the logs on meme.b9?
01:11:32 <Wildhalcyon> My internet connection has been on the fritz today, and Im trying to keep caught up.
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01:22:46 <calamari> halcyon.. yeah doesn't seem to be loading
01:23:46 <calamari> http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/05.09.23
01:29:23 <Wildhalcyon> Phew, nothing new. I hate missing out on stuff
01:29:28 * calamari got the new console working.. of course to do it I had to tear down 10 other things
01:30:12 <calamari> the code is definitely better than it was before,.. so I'm happy
01:30:28 <Wildhalcyon> I think you're really in love with your esoshell
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01:30:54 <calamari> it won't even compile on gcj now tho :)
01:31:31 <calamari> halcyon: it feels like the OS project that I wanted to have last semester, but was denied
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01:56:23 <Wildhalcyon> Alright.. I dont think this is going to work well tonight. I'm callin it an evening. G'night folks.
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08:25:14 <GregorR-L> I can't think of a good idea for a new esolang.
08:28:14 <calamari> that reminds me of 7th or 8th grade where I ran out of ideas for things to program
08:29:04 <GregorR-L> I just recently wrote a cool web version of a card game 8-D
08:30:56 <GregorR-L> A card game ... that I was a codeveloper of :-P
08:35:20 <calamari> I clicked a few cards, but I guess I'd need to learn the rules and get cable :)
08:35:37 <GregorR-L> http://www.codu.org/crackpipe/ < the rules
08:36:03 <GregorR-L> And hopefully the speed of your connection shouldn't be too much of a problem ...
08:36:42 <calamari> I'm downloading the java jdk 1.22 atm, so that's really why it was slow
08:37:18 <GregorR-L> And why that particular esoteric programming langugae?
08:37:36 <calamari> because it seems more reasonable as far as classpath / gcj are concerned
08:38:08 <calamari> if it works in 1.22 then if it doesn't in the others, oh well :)
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12:13:37 <Keymaker> grrh, i can never remember how c works --
12:13:58 <Keymaker> if there is int a[100] before main(), will all a-cells be 0?
12:14:14 <Keymaker> or did it have to be inside main()? i can never remember this
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12:15:25 <jix> Keymaker: i always memset it to be sure it is zero
13:07:09 <Keymaker> jix: any idea how i could store text into array? including new lines
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16:11:42 <jix> haskell is a funny language
16:12:11 <jix> i like the type system
16:20:00 <nooga> i just edited my user: page in the wiki ;p
16:25:20 <nooga> i'll update SADOL's page
16:27:46 <nooga> oh, and maybe write 99bottles ... ;]
16:32:04 <Keymaker> ok, i made a digital root calculator in befunge. it's not as cool as the 9-character one that's in esowiki, but this mine uses the other input way -- the one in esowiki asks user to input a value, this reads value as ascii and so on;
16:32:47 <Keymaker> hmm, i hope this opera irc client didn't parse spaces..
16:35:01 <Keymaker> in case it did, just add the needed spaces there to get the up pointing arrows connected with the left going.
16:38:59 <nooga> i think it's correct
16:39:31 <Keymaker> ok, good. i just couldn't check since the logs archive didn't work for some reason..
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16:48:00 <Keymaker> on a sidenote, i need to go too.. :\
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17:47:34 <nooga> tokigun: r u there
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21:26:09 <Wildhalcyon> I'm thinking of writing a short essay on the esolang community and submitting it to a literary magazine
21:26:44 <grim_> if you don't mind my asking? ;)
21:27:59 <Wildhalcyon> Just.. its an iteresting group, with an interesting design philosophy
21:28:27 <Wildhalcyon> Its almost as if hackers have a sort of post-modern counter culture
21:29:23 <Wildhalcyon> I was thinking of doing interviews with some of the more well-known developers and programmers [in the genre]
21:29:47 <grim_> I guess I'm interested in what sort of audience there would be
21:30:12 <grim_> it seems to me an even more obscure topic than esolangs are themselves
21:30:28 <grim_> but hey, you seem to know what you want to say
21:30:58 <grim_> I like the idea of a post-modern counter-culture to hackers :)
21:31:21 <Wildhalcyon> I guess the intended audience would be a bunch of people who aren't terribly familiar with programming
21:36:02 <Wildhalcyon> The article will be like a serious look at esolangs. Why they're closer to programming as an art medium, and a means of self-expression with a valued and complex diversity
21:37:59 <Wildhalcyon> Why is it that, as a community, we're generally concerned with more ways of solving problems (writing new esolangs to "compute" hello world) than solving more complex problems using the same tools?
21:39:53 <Wildhalcyon> ... probably because its simply more difficult to write a BF operating system.
21:40:51 <Wildhalcyon> Anyhow, I have an incredibly crappy un-fulfilling job to go to now.
21:42:01 <Wildhalcyon> Talk with you all when Im free of my customer service personal hell
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