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02:03:41 <Gs30ng> hi
02:04:17 <heatsink> hi
02:09:07 <Gs30ng> booted in ubuntu linux!
02:09:29 <heatsink> yay
02:09:56 <Gs30ng> much beautiful and convenient environment, and no available contents in Korea! :(
02:10:40 <Gs30ng> in Korea most websites are IE only... ActiveX hell
02:11:00 <heatsink> Maybe use WINE
02:11:41 <Gs30ng> does WINE support activeX?
02:11:53 <heatsink> WINE supports IE
02:11:58 <Gs30ng> yeah, i know it
02:12:26 <heatsink> WINE supports IE; IE supports activeX; therefore, WINE supports activeX :)
02:12:31 <Gs30ng> but i heard activex is unavailable on IE on wine
02:12:43 <heatsink> oh
02:13:09 <Gs30ng> because activeX control is too much glued with it's os... windows
02:14:21 <heatsink> well, sorry about the lack of website.
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15:04:22 <grim_> kapowaz!
15:04:40 <kapowaz> yes, it is I
15:04:48 <kapowaz> I did not realise you were on freenode all this time
15:04:57 <kapowaz> I am mostly in other chanel number 5
15:05:09 <kapowaz> I have some code I wished to share
15:05:13 <kapowaz>        
15:05:18 <kapowaz> any thoughts?
15:05:24 <grim_> whitespace?
15:05:28 <kapowaz> naturally
15:05:38 <kapowaz> I am considering patenting this algorithm
15:05:56 <kapowaz> but I wished to search for possible examples of prior art
15:06:12 <kapowaz> unfortunately it appears there is evidence of prior art in pretty much every website I've ever written
15:06:20 <grim_> I do not think one could patent the null program in any language
15:06:35 <kapowaz> one would have thought you couldn't patent *any* program! *guffaw*
15:06:48 <kapowaz> but clearly this is not the world in which we live!
15:07:02 <kapowaz> why doth thou name suffix with _ ?
15:08:04 <grim_> 15:07 [freenode] -!- Nick grim is already in use
15:08:58 <grim_> enough of thy guff anyway kapowaz
15:12:07 <kapowaz> your name is not nearly unique enough
15:12:24 <grim_> yes, I will change it
15:12:29 <grim_> to jKfgdkhsAqo
15:12:39 <kapowaz> dammit
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15:33:25 <wildhalcyon> moin
15:33:32 <kipple> lo
15:33:42 <wildhalcyon> I rhink Jix has invented the official esolang greeting
15:33:47 <wildhalcyon> hows it going kip?
15:34:07 <kipple> ok
15:35:42 <wildhalcyon> good to hear
15:38:20 <kipple> tried out var'aq for the first time yesterday.  A fun language, but a bit buggy implementation...
15:38:36 <wildhalcyon> really? Thats a shame. Whats buggy about it?
15:39:03 <kipple> some things doesn't work like the spec says
15:39:16 <kipple> (or maybe I'm misunderstanding the spec)
15:39:52 <kipple> anyway, I wrote 99bob and submitted it
15:41:21 <wildhalcyon> which level were you using?
15:41:58 <kipple> level 0. the others doesn't exist
15:42:18 <wildhalcyon> oh, well there we go
15:43:01 <kipple> where are you going?
15:43:21 <wildhalcyon> Nowhere, why?
15:43:34 <kipple> you said "there we go" ;)
15:43:43 <wildhalcyon> ahh, yes
15:44:05 <wildhalcyon> Well, sometimes I like to take strange journies
15:44:09 <wildhalcyon> journeys even
15:44:16 <wildhalcyon> man, whats wrong with me??!
15:45:22 <kapowaz> the internet has dropped here
15:45:33 <kapowaz> and somebody walking past saw it on the floor and picked it up
15:45:42 <kapowaz> thankfully they are the honest sort, and handed it in at reception
15:45:54 <kapowaz> if they hadn't, I would have been marooned for all eternity in the void that is "offline"
15:46:15 <wildhalcyon> thank goodness; I was worried
15:46:55 <kapowaz> as indeed was I
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15:54:59 <nooga> hiii
15:55:45 <wildhalcyon> hey nooga
15:57:43 <jix> moooin+
15:58:15 <wildhalcyon> moin
15:59:09 <nooga> hehe
15:59:18 <nooga> maybe in a while i'll get some ruby code to hack
16:03:25 <kapowaz> tell computer to do my job for me while the time is between 9am and 5pm in England
16:04:14 <nooga> hehe
16:04:24 <nooga> and what's your job?
16:04:25 <kapowaz> I apologise, my only understanding of ruby is that which was provided via a helpful explanation involving the use of cartoon foxes.
16:04:45 <wildhalcyon> lol
16:04:46 <jix> kapowaz: haha why's guide...
16:04:53 <nooga> heh
16:04:55 <jix> kapowaz: not good to learn ruby
16:04:56 <kapowaz> http://poignantguide.net/ruby/chapter-3.html
16:05:02 <kapowaz> why the lucky stiff
16:05:03 <jix> but funny as hell
16:05:08 <nooga> throw ruby away
16:05:10 <kapowaz> true, I found it utterly hilarious
16:05:14 <nooga> use perl;
16:05:15 <kapowaz> but also utterly useless
16:05:22 <jix> nooga: UHHH
16:05:32 <kapowaz> chunky bacon.
16:05:44 <kapowaz> my job? my job...?
16:05:47 <kapowaz> I'm not sure
16:05:54 <wildhalcyon> perl?
16:05:58 * wildhalcyon cries
16:06:07 <kapowaz> I think they call it Pretty Hopeless Programming
16:06:12 <kapowaz> or something
16:06:24 <nooga> i'd like to learn ruby
16:06:25 <kapowaz> but hey, I don't care, it's nice and high level and forgiving and it does what I want
16:06:27 <nooga> perl is old
16:06:40 <kapowaz> if I were to learn a new language it might be pie-a-thon
16:06:49 <kapowaz> no language involving pies can be bad
16:07:04 <nooga> :D
16:08:06 <kapowaz> why the lucky stiff, ah yes
16:08:25 <kapowaz> a thoroughly surreal blogger if ever there was one
16:08:34 <kapowaz> "hex-editing reality to give us infinite grenades!!"
16:08:39 * kapowaz salutes
16:29:02 <nooga> heh
16:29:15 <nooga> i really like that guide with comic strips 
16:30:15 <kapowaz> chunky bacon chunky bacon chunky bacon
16:35:00 -!- nooga has changed nick to |nooga|.
16:35:02 <|nooga|> :)
16:35:11 <|nooga|> in da rb style
16:41:36 <jix>  http://deathball.net/notpron/ << really cool game
16:41:49 <jix> i'm stuck in level 13 atm
16:43:03 <wildhalcyon> hmm
16:43:16 <wildhalcyon> will try once I finish this sudoku
16:45:07 <|nooga|> hmm
16:45:08 <|nooga|> sudoku
16:45:23 <|nooga|> day ago i tried to write sudoku solver in SADOL :>
16:46:53 <wildhalcyon> Tough, if you're using hard sudoku puzzles
16:46:57 <|nooga|> paradoxically i just hate to code in SADOL :))
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16:55:49 <kapowaz> I once played notpron with my girlfriend
16:55:49 <kapowaz> we got all the way up to level 50 something
16:55:49 <kapowaz> but we stopped for a while, then they changed all the puzzles
16:55:49 <kapowaz> so we would have had to start again
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16:57:52 <jKfgdkhsAqo> http://www.dillonwaugh.com/pages/menagerie.htm
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16:57:52 <jKfgdkhsAqo> buried treasure puzzle book after kit williams' masquerade
16:58:31 * jKfgdkhsAqo is thoroughly addicted
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17:10:59 <wildhalcyon> some of these puzzles make no sense
17:15:19 <jix> hm?
17:15:55 <jix> it's difficult sometimes but they are all solvable
17:16:39 <jix> the first ones are easy.. but it's getting harder with every level
17:19:53 <wildhalcyon> well, its like.. the clue to number 5 didnt even result in the correct answer
17:20:27 <wildhalcyon> I translated the code right, but it wasnt correct
17:20:56 <wildhalcyon> I could come up with better puzzles... XD
17:21:13 * wildhalcyon needs a forklift to move his big ego
17:21:28 <jix> wildhalcyon: you need to do more than just plain numbers => ascii
17:21:31 <jix> that would be too easy
17:21:56 <jix> (hint: users/passwords are always english words(afaik))
17:22:07 <wildhalcyon> jix, no.. not that one, the one with the morse code
17:22:30 <wildhalcyon> I guess I just have to make everything into the closest english letter
17:22:32 <wildhalcyon> that might work
17:22:41 <wildhalcyon> (closest english word)
17:23:48 <jix> there is a difference between the american and the international morse code
17:24:01 <wildhalcyon> Anyhow, Im not a big fan of 'trapdoor' puzzles like that.
17:24:14 <wildhalcyon> No, I translated it right, there was just a vowel missing
17:24:36 <jix> i solved it yesterday and there was NO vowel missing
17:24:52 <wildhalcyon> really? I was missing an e
17:24:55 <wildhalcyon> hmm
17:25:15 <wildhalcyon> maybe its my own fault. I thought I double-checkef
17:25:19 <wildhalcyon> checked* even
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17:33:46 <NoOnE> Hello
17:34:24 <wildhalcyon> hello
17:34:55 <NoOnE> I was just wondering whether there was a Brainfuck IDE that supports all kind of implementations (8/16/32 bit, wrapping-nonwrapping, Cr/Lf/CrLf)?
17:35:01 <NoOnE> Or should I make one?
17:37:26 <kipple> the answer to the first question is: probably not
17:38:41 <kipple> there are lots of BF interpreters and IDEs out there, but it doesn't seem like anyone of them is generally used. people just use their own self-written interpreters
17:38:55 <NoOnE> oh, well, that's the best
17:39:08 <NoOnE> at least you know what's really behind the scenes
17:39:44 <kipple> well, I think it would have been very nice to have a cross-platform debugging IDE with support for all variations of BF :)
17:40:04 <NoOnE> Is .NET cross-platform enough?
17:40:25 <kipple> good question....
17:40:56 <kapowaz> of course .net is cross-platform!
17:40:58 <NoOnE> If one used only basic controls, we can say maybe, can't we?
17:40:59 <lindi-> NoOnE: if you use only mono then it will be
17:41:07 <NoOnE> yesyes
17:41:07 <kapowaz> I can visit kapowaz.net on my Mac *and* my PC!
17:41:14 <NoOnE> ?
17:41:15 <kapowaz> bdum-tsh.
17:41:18 * kapowaz idles again
17:41:24 <lindi-> NoOnE: so, don't use anything else and you can be sure
17:41:24 <NoOnE> :)
17:41:35 <GregorR> *bleck*
17:41:55 <GregorR> C, C++, FLTK, GTK+ and Qt are cross-platform enough.
17:41:57 <GregorR> :P
17:42:33 <jix> NoOnE: BF Debugger is pretty good and supports some modes (and labled memmory positions)
17:43:07 <jix> but BF Debugger's IO support is poor (no live IO)
17:44:04 <jix> NoOnE: http://lilly.csoft.net/~jeffryj/programs/bf/index.html
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17:46:22 <NoOnE> Isn't 3.2 MB for a Brainfuck debugger a bit too much?
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17:47:20 <NoOnE> Whoops, MS Installer runtimes
17:47:49 <NoOnE> thanks
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18:40:49 <jix>  
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18:47:51 <jix> wb wildhalcyon 
18:49:37 <wildhalcyon> thx
18:49:48 <wildhalcyon> still having issues with my comp :-(
18:51:30 <jix> fix it by installing an brainfuck OS
18:53:06 <wildhalcyon> I want to install ubuntu, but my cd burner doesnt.. err.. burn
18:53:16 <wildhalcyon> actually, the computer doesnt think the cd burner exists
18:53:56 <jix> maybe you should tell him that it does
18:54:12 <wildhalcyon> I tried, but XP seldom listens to me
18:55:16 <wildhalcyon> When it does listen, its usually just long enough to tell me that what I am telling it to do cannot be done, has never been done, and as far as XP is concerned, might very well be impossible
18:56:58 <wildhalcyon> Until it does it, in which case it pretends it never told me it was impossible
18:58:21 <NoOnE> You can order Ubuntu CDs as far as I know for free
19:01:07 <Robdgr8> brainfuck OS, eh? I might pay money to see one of those
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19:02:27 <wildhalcyon> I have ordered one, but it hasnt  been shipped to me yet
19:07:16 * GregorR has Moxie again 8-D
19:11:03 <NoOnE> I got it shipped to Hungary in 3 weeks :)
19:30:03 <Robdgreat> remarkable
19:34:49 <wildhalcyon> I want to be full of moxie
19:34:57 <wildhalcyon> I'm gonna go buy some today
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19:57:38 <GregorR> THE VIRUS SPREAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADS :)
19:59:25 <Robdgreat> as they are wont to do
19:59:51 <jix> ?
20:00:03 <Robdgreat> <GregorR> THE VIRUS SPREAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADS :)
20:00:09 <jix> i know
20:00:14 <jix> what virus?
20:00:20 <Robdgreat> moxie, I suppose
20:01:42 <jix> never heard of it
20:02:51 <Robdgreat> it's a drink
20:02:58 <jix> ah
20:03:10 <Robdgreat> America's first soda or something
20:03:14 <jix> so the symantec site is the wrong site if i want informations about it ^^
20:03:17 <Robdgreat> Apparently we don't get it here
20:03:22 <Robdgreat> right
20:03:24 <Robdgreat> try google
20:03:24 <Robdgreat> :)
20:04:28 <Robdgreat> If you want to get technical, you could call it America's "oldest continually sold commercially marketed carbonated drink".
20:04:46 <GregorR> You can remove the words "continually sold" and still be accurate.
20:05:13 <Robdgreat> wonder why they included them, then
20:11:21 <GregorR> I think just to emphasize the fact that it /has/ been continually sold.
20:12:43 <Robdgreat> ok
20:13:18 <GregorR> Anyway, Moxie is the greatest soda there is.
20:13:23 <GregorR> I have to buy it by the case, but it's worth it :P
20:14:03 <Robdgreat> ok I have to stop playing trivia or I'll never get any work done
20:14:09 <GregorR> :P
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21:53:19 <nooga> hi
21:53:28 <kipple> moin
21:53:52 <nooga> :/
21:54:03 <GregorR> :S huh
21:54:09 <nooga> trying to install SDL for perl 
21:54:40 <nooga> i got SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO many errors and SOOOOOOOOOOOOO much less hair on my head 
21:54:57 <GregorR> Oh, perl.
21:54:59 <GregorR> How terrible it is.
21:55:44 <nooga> it's nice ;p
21:55:47 <nooga> just
21:55:51 <nooga> aaaarghhh
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21:59:41 <nooga> is there an SDL for Ruby?
22:00:19 <GregorR> Looking for an excuse to use a decent programming language? :)
22:01:26 <nooga> hehe
22:01:30 <nooga> i guess
22:01:44 <nooga> damnit, late
22:01:46 <nooga> g2g 
22:01:48 <nooga> bye
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22:08:53 <Robdgreat> mind explaining the word "moin" to me?
22:16:22 <GregorR> It's some not-English language (German?) for Hello, or something thereabouts :P
22:28:55 <Robdgreat> cool
23:02:59 <Robdgreat> I hate perl.
23:03:05 <GregorR> High five!
23:03:07 <GregorR> Perl = terrible!
23:03:11 <GregorR> $_ = bad!
23:03:26 <Robdgreat> something goes wrong, you get "Something is broken"
23:03:27 <Robdgreat> and that's it
23:03:38 <Robdgreat> well, the equivalent
23:03:43 <Robdgreat> it's impossible to debug
23:03:46 <GregorR> My reasons for hating perl are more associated with the language, not the interpreter :p
23:04:01 <GregorR> This is a language that actively encourages you to write bad code.
23:04:07 <lindi-> Robdgreat: oh, perl has an integrated debugger
23:04:08 <GregorR> It provides archaic unreadable means of doing everything.
23:04:10 <GregorR> WHYYYYYYYYYY
23:04:23 <Robdgreat> lindi-: please elaborate
23:04:25 <lindi-> Robdgreat: with many many one-letter commands to use :)
23:04:30 <Robdgreat> or make it clear that you're being facetious
23:04:32 <Robdgreat> heheheh
23:04:41 <lindi-> perl -sD
23:04:48 <lindi-> sorry, perl -dS
23:04:52 <Robdgreat> hm
23:04:58 <Robdgreat> I'm doing cgi.
23:05:12 <Robdgreat> I'm trying to use a script that's supposed to work right out of the box
23:05:15 <GregorR> Wait!  lindi-, what gender are you?
23:05:20 <Robdgreat> I did a php script for a c.. ACK
23:05:27 <Robdgreat> yeah
23:05:44 <Robdgreat> hullo, lindi-
23:05:59 <GregorR> It just occurred to me that a while ago we had this long conversation about how there were never any females in here, but "lindi" is a female name - has there been a female in our wake without us even knowing it?!
23:06:14 <Robdgreat> yeah I caught a reference to that conversation
23:06:30 * Robdgreat taps on the inside of lindi-'s screen.
23:06:32 <lindi-> GregorR: well, i'm male
23:06:35 <Robdgreat> oh.
23:06:37 <Robdgreat> drat
23:06:44 <lindi-> better use /whois next time :)
23:07:09 <Robdgreat> nah you're the first Timo I've ever encountered
23:07:13 <Robdgreat> wouldn't have helped much
23:07:14 <GregorR> lol
23:07:33 <GregorR> Yeah, I don't know where the name "Timo" is from or what gender it is *shrugs*
23:07:36 <GregorR> Well, I do now :P
23:07:37 <Robdgreat> like "Pekka" If I didn't know him, I wouldn't know whether that was a man's or a woman's name
23:07:44 <Robdgreat> wacky finns
23:07:48 <GregorR> lol
23:26:30 <kipple> the general rule on IRC is to assume everyone to be male, even if they call themselves Shirley or whatever. Especially on this channel :)
23:26:40 <GregorR> XD
23:27:28 <Robdgreat> well yeah, there is that
23:27:47 <Robdgreat> But there's got to be some chicks into esoteric languages.
23:27:52 <Robdgreat> somewhere
23:28:58 <kipple> you think so? I don't know...
23:29:05 <GregorR> Soooooooooooooooooooomewheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeere, oooooooooooooooooover a raiiiiiiiiiiiiinboooooooow
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