00:11:25 <duerig> Jix, last night you said that you refused to use C++ anymore. What was troubling you?
00:14:16 <jix> something didn't work as i expected and i was unable to find the bug
00:15:15 <jix> some people say they hate dynamic languages because they have too less compile time checks.. i hate c++ because the runtime error msgs doesn't help
00:15:15 <duerig> Want me to take a look? I'm enough of a C++ weenie that I can usually spot even obscure bugs.
00:15:50 <duerig> That is true. If you want decent error reporting in C++, you have to roll your own. :(
00:16:03 <jix> it's something with obscure memory management i just don't want to care about MM...
00:16:09 <jix> that's why i'm using lisp now
00:16:29 <jix> lisp is more intuitive for me
00:17:03 <duerig> I see.
00:17:40 <duerig> I don't suppose you'd let me look at the code that was troubling you?
00:18:08 <jix> i'd have you to send 3 c++ files that probably wont compile...
00:18:27 <jix> i have no idea where the bug is and my fixing attempts resulted in even more bugs
00:18:49 <jix> you'd probably have to rewrite the whole code too fix it
00:19:04 <duerig> I'd still be curious to see. If you want, you can just copy and paste them into the following form: http://www.xmission.com/~tyrecius/mail.html
00:19:06 <jix> and i've done more in lisp know that i did in c++ for that project
00:19:08 <duerig> And then I could read them.
00:22:08 <jix> done
00:23:00 <duerig> Thanks.
00:35:22 <duerig> I see the problem.
00:35:49 <duerig> And I see why you wanted a GC. :)
00:39:53 <duerig> The problem is that all of the pointers in your RHS object come from the vector in 'vector<AStarNode> snodes = current_node->subnodes();'. This is destroyed at the end of every 'step()' call. Thats why you get dangling pointers.
00:40:11 <duerig> And with a proper GC, all of that is moot 'cuz the GC will keep them around for you.
00:43:05 <jix> objc memory management would be ok too
00:48:51 <duerig> I am a bit puzzled about why your priority queue holds pointers rather than just the objects themselves.
00:49:39 <jix> i tried every pointer not pointer combination
00:50:05 <duerig> I see.
00:50:58 <duerig> Well, I don't blame you for being frustrated in a situation like that. It looks like it just calls out for a GC. :)
00:51:10 <duerig> I hope you are having more fun doing it in LISP. :)
00:51:20 <jix> i have
00:51:41 <duerig> Nifty. And thanks for letting me sate my curiosity.
00:57:00 <jix> HAH i just noticed a big error in my algorithm and it was just a little work to fix it!
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00:57:16 <jix> moin lirthy 
00:58:38 <jix> duerig: you arn't on the esolang map
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01:27:17 <duerig> jix: esolang map? Eh?
01:27:36 <jix> see topic
01:27:43 <jix>  - map: http://www.frappr.com/esolang - 
01:29:42 <duerig> Interesting.
01:32:08 <duerig> I'm on it now.
01:32:19 <duerig> Unfortunately, I'm not from anywhere interesting. :)
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01:52:05 <jix> !bf8 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.<<-.+.
01:52:12 <EgoBot> test 
01:52:14 <jix> HAH
01:52:19 <jix> successfully ported
01:53:33 <jix> wait the numbers of > is wrong
01:54:36 <jix> ah was a stupid typo
01:55:23 <jix> hmm there seems to be a bug in the priority queue
02:05:33 <Robdgreat> queueueueueueue!
02:14:12 <jix> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.---------------.++++++++++++++.+.
02:14:18 <jix> !bf8 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.---------------.++++++++++++++.+.
02:14:26 <EgoBot> test 
02:14:37 <jix> done with rhs in lisp
02:17:04 <jix> !bf8 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++..>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.<+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.+++++++++++++.+++++..--------.-------.++++++++++++++.>.<----.---------.>.<----.+++..+++++++++++++.>.<---.-.>.<++++++.------------.---.>.<++++++++++++++++++.----------------------.+++++++++++..++.
02:17:38 <EgoBot> 99 bottles of beer on the walln 
02:19:08 <jix> and that is the shortest code for that string without looping
02:19:43 <duerig> What exactly is RHS?
02:20:10 <jix> Right Hand Side
02:20:25 <duerig> I realize that. But what is it in the context of bf?
02:20:30 <jix> its just the right part of the code (the left is generated using genetic algorithms)
02:20:35 <jix> in context of bf it's nothing
02:21:07 <jix> in context of bf output code breading it's partitioning the program into data-cell-initialisation (left hand) and outputing (right hand)
02:21:19 <jix> and without left hand data is initialized to 0,0,0....
02:21:28 <duerig> Hmm. I see.
02:22:30 <duerig> So you wrote a search program which tries to find the shortest bf code which will initialize a set of cells to particular values, right?
02:23:22 <jix> no
02:23:46 <jix> i wrote a program to search the shortest code to output a givin string using a givin memory data
02:23:51 <jix> given
02:23:59 <duerig> Oh.
02:24:00 <duerig> I see.
02:25:41 <duerig> It is interesting that you had to use a graph search algorithm for that. I would have naively thought that it was a simpler problem than that.
02:26:15 <duerig> But I can see why you chose to do it that way in retrospect.
02:26:48 <jix> if you choose the shortest one with each step you may have to choose longer one later because you messed up the memory with the first shorter one
02:27:03 <duerig> *nod*
02:27:31 * jix has to refine the estimation function
02:28:50 <duerig> Hmm. I notice that there is no looping in your programs.
02:29:15 <jix> there is
02:29:18 <jix> in subnodes
02:29:38 <duerig> Er. I meant in the bf programs that you tried out.
02:29:43 <jix> ah right
02:29:58 <duerig> So looping just didn't happen to be advantageous in those circumstances?
02:30:15 <jix> looping would make A* kinda impossible..
02:30:35 <jix> i don't have a limited set of subnodes then 
02:30:53 <duerig> Hmmm...
02:30:58 <jix> there are some special cases and i'm going to take advantage of them
02:31:14 <duerig> That could be a big issue. That means that you probably aren't being minimal.
02:31:25 <duerig> Hmm. Let me think.
02:31:42 <jix> take a look at most output codes.. the right side is like 90% loop less
02:34:53 <duerig> But there are all kinds of places where [<+>-] might stand in for arbitrarily long '+' strings.
02:35:27 <calamari> brb
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02:35:33 <duerig> Or [<->-], or having a different number of '<' and '>'.
02:35:54 <duerig> Er I mean the having more than one '<' and more than one '>' even if they are the same.
02:36:22 <duerig> And that is just something off the top of my head. It seems like there might be any number of situations.
02:36:28 <duerig> But that might make the whole problem untractable.
02:36:44 <jix> thats the point.. there might be any number of situations
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02:37:33 <calaptop> re's
02:37:58 <duerig> Hmmm...
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02:38:21 <duerig> Let me think about this. There may be some clever way we can get the best of both worlds.
02:40:05 <jix> i have an idea!
02:40:12 <jix> split the output into multiple rhs and lhs
02:40:31 <jix> the lhs can contain arbitrary code including all possible loop constructs
02:45:43 <duerig> I thought that the lhs was generated0.
02:45:48 <duerig> manually.
02:45:54 <jix> atm yes
02:46:03 <jix> later it's generated using genetic algorithms
02:46:08 <duerig> Ah.
02:46:16 <duerig> Why not do the rhs with GAs too?
02:46:25 <duerig> If we're in approximation-ville anyhow?
02:46:44 <jix> because it would take too long to generate an output that actually prints the wanted string
02:47:19 <duerig> Hmm... Su
02:47:31 <duerig> Gah. Cat on the keyboard. :)
02:48:21 <duerig> Hmm... Suppose that we start out with something relatively naive that outputs the data. Then we have output-preserving mutations? I'm not sure exactly how to do those, but if we could, then I think we'd be home free.
02:49:50 <duerig> Grr.. I dunno. Combination would be really hard.
02:49:55 <duerig> Let me think some more. :(
02:50:18 <jix> rule of making super cool programs:
02:50:24 <jix> make them working first
02:50:32 <jix> then make them super cool ;)
02:50:36 <duerig> Hahaha. Granted.
02:50:44 <duerig> But you've already got it working. :)
02:51:05 <jix> not all parts only a simple rhs not a rhs with good estimates
02:51:53 * Sgep is going to check out ReactOS's LiveCD...
02:52:33 <calamari> does that have a bash terminal, or is it tryign to be as windows as possible?
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02:52:57 <calamari> I may never know.. hehe :)
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02:57:18 <duerig> Hmm. I've got an idea.
02:57:28 <duerig> You could do a Simulated Annealer.
02:59:08 <jix> g'night
02:59:13 <duerig> There would be a small number of ways that you could do a one-off modification of the bf code: insert a bounded loop, insert some number of left shifts or right shifts, insert some number of increments or decrements. And you could have a greedy completion.
02:59:16 <jix> it's 4am here...
02:59:16 <duerig> Ummm...
02:59:18 <duerig> Ok.
02:59:32 <duerig> Goodnight.
02:59:36 <duerig> And good luck with your RHS.
02:59:41 <jix> thx
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02:59:44 <Robdgreat> caaaaaaaaaaaaalimari
02:59:47 <Robdgreat> er
02:59:53 <Robdgreat> blah you know what I mean
02:59:59 <duerig> kaaaaaaaaahn
03:00:00 <duerig> !
03:00:05 <Robdgreat> pretty much
03:00:10 <duerig> Hahaha
03:00:26 <calamari> robbbbbbbbbbbdgreat
03:00:29 <Robdgreat> there you are
03:00:46 <Robdgreat> hey is there something available to convert 6502 assembly to x86?
03:01:05 <calamari> robdgreat: I need a better chat program.. wonder if there any any console chats that allow scrollback
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03:01:24 <duerig> The one I'm using does.
03:01:34 <duerig> Or rather it uses my own console's scrollback.
03:01:48 <calamari> robdgreat: I don't know of any automatic tools.. what are you trying to do?
03:01:55 <calamari> duerig: cool, which app?
03:02:02 <duerig> ircii
03:02:09 <calamari> blah that's what I'm using hehe
03:02:18 <calamari> my scrollback must be busted
03:02:21 <Robdgreat> I have a disassembler listing of a rom image, I might take this opportunity to port it manually
03:02:28 <Robdgreat> and learn a thing or two
03:02:31 <Robdgreat> or 80
03:02:44 <calamari> atari 800?
03:02:57 <Robdgreat> yeah
03:03:05 <duerig> What terminal are you using, calamari?
03:03:13 <calamari> if you have it in binary form you can run it on the atari800 emu
03:03:19 <Robdgreat> I'm gonna make a native atari basic interpreter
03:03:19 <Robdgreat> nope
03:03:23 <Robdgreat> don't want to have to use the emu
03:03:25 <Robdgreat> I have the emu
03:03:31 <calamari> duerig: not sure what you mean.. I'm using getty
03:03:50 <calamari> duerig: I'm not in x if that's what you're asking
03:04:18 <duerig> Your using windows?
03:04:26 <calamari> duerig: no, linux
03:04:35 <duerig> Ah. A text only screen.
03:04:37 <duerig> Ok.
03:04:38 <calamari> duerig: I call it ctrl-alt-f1 mode.. not sure of the real name of it
03:05:03 <duerig> In that case have you tried shift-pgup, ctl-pgup, and alt-pgup to see if they'll scrill?
03:05:12 <duerig> Er scroll?
03:05:24 <calamari> yep
03:05:39 <duerig> Ok. Then it is your terminal.
03:05:46 <calamari> shift-pgup doesn't do anything, the other combos give ~
03:05:51 <duerig> I'm not sure how to configure the text-only terminal on linux.
03:06:04 <calamari> duerig: no prob.,. neither do I :)
03:06:26 <duerig> My advice: Use x, then you can use an xterm and those are very configurable. :-)
03:06:37 <calamari> can't.. I have 26mb of disk space free :)
03:06:43 <duerig> Hahaha.
03:06:44 <duerig> Ok.
03:07:00 <calamari> I was thinking of setting up svgalib tho.. I understand links works with that :)
03:07:35 <calamari> if I can get a halfway decent web browser working I may decide to zip up the windows intall and that'll give me more room to play 
03:08:52 <duerig> calamari, http://www.unixguide.net/linux/faq/07.06.shtml talks about messing around with the kernel source to change scroll-back behaviour.
03:09:01 <duerig> Maybe you can do that and recompile the kernel.
03:09:59 <calamari> thanks
03:12:50 <calamari> ahh it's called a vc :)
03:13:00 <calamari> "virtual console"
03:20:28 <duerig> I see.
03:20:37 <duerig> That might be a good search term for google. :)
03:24:32 <calamari> that doc helped a lot actually, thanks
03:24:50 <calamari> I have 6 vc's, and maybe that's why I can't scroll back... no remaining video memory
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03:30:32 <calamari> brb
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03:33:23 <duerig> Did it help?
03:33:46 <duerig> Be sure to make enough text to run off the top of the screen. Otherwise it won't scroll back regardless.
03:59:38 <lament> lock picking is interesting.
04:43:48 <duerig> lament, yes. But of limited utility.
05:14:10 <calamari> duerig: well yes & no
05:14:17 <calamari> it gave me a lot more scrollback
05:14:27 <calamari> however, I found out what happens to my scroll
05:14:39 <calamari> if I switch to another vc and back I lose all my scrollback
05:16:40 <Robdgreat> then don't ever switch to another vc
05:16:43 <Robdgreat> Simple.
05:16:45 <Robdgreat> hehehe
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08:07:28 <duerig> calamari: Hmm. That is unfortunate. Let me see if I can find a remedy.
08:11:19 <duerig> An imperfect solution would be to auto-log to a particular file. Then you could just 'less' the file. That would allow searching as well. But much less convenient than just scrollback.
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08:30:43 <calamari> duerig: :) thanks for the suggestions.  I'll figure something out.  
08:31:19 <calamari> links with svgalib seems to be working fine, although I guess the driver for my card only gives 256 colors
08:34:07 <duerig> Yeah. The more I look at this, the more certain I become that you'd need to edit code in the kernel to get what you want.
08:34:16 <duerig> Sorry I couldn't be of more service.
08:35:17 <duerig> I'm going to stop looking now. However, some promising keywords I discovered were mdacon vgacon vga-text-console and linux-frame-buffer. I was reading the webpage http://www.digitalhermit.com/linux/hiresconsole.html
08:35:23 <duerig> That is if you want to pursue my leads further.
08:35:27 <duerig> Take care.
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09:04:30 <calamari> okay, past 2am.. must go to bed :)
09:04:48 <calamari> thanks again duerig for your research & links
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12:03:50 <jix> !bf8 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.++.------.+++++.>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.<---------.+++++++++++++++++.-----------------.+++++++++++++.+++++++.----------.-.---------.>+.>++++++++++.
12:04:08 <EgoBot> moin everyone! 
12:06:14 <puzzlet> !bf8 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.++.------.+++++.
12:06:26 <EgoBot> moin 
12:21:28 <jix> the lisp implementation is so much faster than the ruby one
12:55:08 <jix> !bf8 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.+.+++++.------------.---.+++++++++++++.>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.<++.---------------.++++++++++++++.+.>++++++++++++++...
12:55:27 <EgoBot> Another test... 
12:55:52 <jix> 0.048 seconds of real time 0.035805 seconds of user run time
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13:16:32 <jix> test
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13:30:48 <Keymaker> me likes new opera 8.5 (haven't bothered upgrading until now)
13:32:22 <jix> i don't like opera
13:32:23 <jix> moin Keymaker 
13:36:25 <Keymaker> hello
13:36:31 <Keymaker> don't like opera?!
13:46:35 <Keymaker> grhh. i haven't managed to do anything yet! i've been awake for six hours
13:48:15 <jix> HAHA
13:48:17 <jix> ;)
13:54:47 <Keymaker> :)
13:55:19 <Keymaker> grhh. i should learn some valid web designing..
13:55:31 <Keymaker> any good tutorials for css?
13:55:43 <Keymaker> something that would tell how to do the stuff without tables
13:55:54 <jix> pha... who needs tutorials...
13:55:57 <Keymaker> why does everyone complain about tables?
13:56:12 <Keymaker> well, i don't know the commands
13:56:14 <jix> because tables are for tabular (?) data not for layout
13:56:20 <Keymaker> hmh
13:56:23 <Keymaker> grrr
13:56:49 <jix> just learn it by looking at css of csszengarden
13:57:05 <jix> and use the w3schools reference
13:57:30 <Keymaker> perhaps i should just use tables..
13:57:45 <Keymaker> they're the best!
13:58:48 <jix> no
13:59:07 <Keymaker> :(
13:59:21 <jix> they make it hard to change the design they make it hard to print only the content of the page instead of the design (which is maybe not suited for printing..)
13:59:37 <Keymaker> so..? :p
13:59:50 <jix> use what you want ;;)
13:59:56 <Keymaker> wheee!
14:01:07 <Keymaker> jix, know what font that is? http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=/184/184.css&page=0
14:01:31 <Keymaker> it's nice font and common in blogs and stuff, i'd like to know what it is
14:01:53 <jix> font:11px/32px Georgia, 'Times New Roman', Times, serif;
14:02:05 <Keymaker> cheers
14:02:10 <jix> on your computer it's the first font in the list that is installed
14:02:22 <Keymaker> ok
14:05:25 <Keymaker> how they make those gradients?
14:10:05 <jix> images
14:10:14 <Keymaker> oh
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14:28:26 <Keymaker> hello int-e
14:28:51 <Keymaker> noticed there's a new brainfuck competition going on, organized by calamari
14:29:08 <Keymaker> ?
14:29:43 <int-e> Keymaker: yes. I still get notifications from the sourceforge forum.
14:30:03 <jix> it has a cool prize!
14:30:12 <int-e> Keymaker: so thanks to you I know about it.
14:31:27 <Keymaker> :)
14:36:57 <Keymaker> hmmm, can one have different favicons to different pages?
14:38:30 <int-e> heh. wikipedia says: <link rel="shortcut icon" href="/favicon.ico" /> in the <head> section of the document. 
14:39:22 <int-e> while the 'classic' favicon.ico is limited to the root 'directory' of the web site.
14:39:32 <Keymaker> ok
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15:31:05 <ihope> I just made a binary lambda calculus syntax, which doesn't look very nice.
15:32:10 <ihope> program: 1[function]
15:32:11 <ihope> function: 0[function][function] or 11[identifier] or 10[lambda]
15:32:13 <ihope> lambda: [identifier][function]
15:32:14 <ihope> identifier: [pidentifier]11
15:32:16 <ihope> pidentifier: [null] or 0[pidentifier] or 10[pidentifier]
15:32:40 * Robdgreat head asplode.
15:32:59 <ihope> :-)
15:35:25 <ihope> Of course, it's not very efficient: the smallest syntactically valid program is number 447.
15:37:57 <Robdgreat> what's that do?
15:39:07 <ihope> It's the identity function.
15:42:40 <ihope> The K combinator is 3535, and the S combinator is too big to convert into decimal at the moment.
15:43:15 <ihope> Aha. S is 398949562099.
15:44:53 <int-e> why do you distinguish programs and functions?
15:45:19 <int-e> ah, to allow 0 prefixes. ok
15:50:49 <int-e> shouldn't that be 948705375987 to make a program?
15:52:50 <ihope> Um, yes.
15:54:18 <int-e> and the K is missing a pair of 11 ...
15:55:46 <int-e> (110111001111 = program lambda 11 lambda 011 identifier <missing>)
15:55:58 <ihope> Why so it is. So that means it's 14143?
15:56:13 <int-e> yep
15:58:02 <ihope> Okay. So does anybody know how to make the S combinator in Lisp?
16:05:20 <int-e> I'd say it's no fun, due to lack of partial application in Lisp
16:05:52 <ihope> You mean currying is wonky?
16:06:31 <int-e> (defun s (f g x) (funcall (funcall f x) (funcall g x))) works if all your functions are curried.
16:07:08 <int-e> obviously, this s is *not* curried.
16:07:57 <ihope> Is there a way to curry it?
16:10:58 <int-e> (defun curry3 (f) (lambda (x) (lambda (y) (lambda (z) (funcall f x y z)))))
16:11:03 <int-e> (curry3 #'s)
16:11:21 <int-e> I don't know about any builtin ways, but I have very little experience with Lisp
16:14:11 <int-e> * (funcall (funcall (funcall (curry3 #'s) (curry2 #'+)) #'1+) 5)
16:14:11 <int-e> 11
16:14:14 <int-e> it's no fun.
16:14:56 <int-e> compare to Haskell:
16:14:59 <int-e> Prelude> let s f g x = (f x) (g x) in s (+) (1+) 5
16:14:59 <int-e> 11
16:15:24 <ihope> Hmm.
16:15:33 * ihope tosses Lisp in the trash can
16:16:40 <jix> lisp isn't good for lambda calculus
16:16:41 <int-e> Lisp is cool, but it's not a functional programming language. Its greatest power is its Macro facility.
16:16:55 <jix> i'm using lisp for my new bfgentext
16:17:10 <jix> because c++ has no gc and ugly syntax and ruby is too slow
16:18:29 <int-e> C++ is a very useful high level assembler
16:18:33 * int-e giggles
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16:22:39 <ihope> Ack.
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16:30:15 <Keymaker> i really like this new opera
16:47:30 <Keymaker> grhh. must go
16:47:34 <Keymaker> bye
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18:31:48 <Keymaker> ugh.. why every place is filled with sound, animation, video, pictures?!
18:32:17 <Keymaker> why every place allows user to have 300 mb of space for pictures, music, video?!
18:33:40 <Keymaker> why everything is so personal these days? people have blogs, make own podcasts, have hundred pictures of theirselves..
18:35:41 <int-e> I don't know.
18:47:32 <Keymaker> o-k
18:47:36 <Keymaker> :)
19:40:44 <Keymaker> nite
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22:13:50 <calamari> hi 
22:16:04 <GregorR> Hoi
22:19:40 <Robdgreat> HI!!!11ONE
22:22:08 <calamari> GregorR: do you know how to use autoscan?
22:22:19 <GregorR> Yup.
22:22:26 <calamari> what is configure.ac ?
22:22:46 <GregorR> It's the M4 script used to create the configure script.
22:22:55 <GregorR> autoscan should create configure.scan
22:23:27 <calamari> autom4te: configure.ac: no such file or directory
22:23:27 <calamari> autoscan: /usr/bin/autom4te failed with exit status: 1
22:23:47 <GregorR> What's that the output to?
22:23:50 <GregorR> OH
22:23:51 <GregorR> Heheheh
22:24:02 <GregorR> That's obnoxious output that autoscan produces for no reason :)
22:24:04 <GregorR> I hate thta.
22:24:06 <GregorR> *that
22:24:09 <GregorR> You can ignore it.
22:24:21 <calamari> ahh thank you
22:24:37 <calamari> it did create the scan file :)   I was just worried I'd done something wrong
22:24:40 <GregorR> You have to modify configure.scan to your liking, then rename it configure.ac
22:24:58 <GregorR> It's because autoscan can also tell you how to update configure.ac
22:34:50 <calamari> how about automake? :)
22:35:05 <GregorR> Yes, I know how to use that too.
22:35:23 <GregorR> That being said, if you want to use them in combination, you should make the .am files before running autoscan.
22:35:45 <calamari> ahh, that makes sense
22:35:57 <calamari> I was wondering why I was having to put that stuff in manually
22:35:57 <GregorR> After all, autoscan does /scan/ :)
22:36:32 <calamari> either I'm terrible at searching or the docs for this stuff are nonexistant
22:36:42 <GregorR> The docs are quite excellent.
22:36:50 <GregorR> http://www.gnu.org/software/autoconf/
22:36:52 <GregorR> http://www.gnu.org/software/automake/
22:37:28 <calamari> thank you
23:07:19 <GregorR> A lot of exciting talk here :-P
23:17:27 <calamari> got bfigolf.c bfstrip.c done.. just figureing out the auto* stuff
23:17:36 <calamari> figureing -e 
23:17:43 <GregorR> Heh
23:17:48 <calamari> afk...
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