02:28:12 -!- ihope has joined. 02:30:46 !help 02:31:35 Hmm. 02:32:51 Aha. Apparently it's just very laggy and all that... 02:33:35 !help 02:33:43 !ps 02:33:52 Dot dot dot 02:34:02 Test... 02:34:05 It's alive. 02:34:14 Hmm. 02:34:22 !ps 02:34:31 1 ihope: help 02:34:33 2 GregorR: help 02:34:35 3 GregorR: ps 02:34:41 Well that's odd :P 02:34:43 help ps kill i eof flush show ls 02:34:45 1l 2l adjust axo befunge bch bf{8,[16],32,64} glass glypho kipple lazyk malbolge pbrain rail sadol sceql udage01 02:35:02 Lag indeed. 02:35:03 Oh, I know why, I'm running too much stuff :P 02:35:08 :-) 02:35:10 It can't get any cycles. 02:35:39 1 ihope: help 02:35:41 2 GregorR: help 02:35:43 3 GregorR: ps 02:35:45 4 ihope: help 02:35:47 5 GregorR: ps 02:35:53 ! 02:36:07 help ps kill i eof flush show ls 02:36:09 1l 2l adjust axo befunge bch bf{8,[16],32,64} glass glypho kipple lazyk malbolge pbrain rail sadol sceql udage01 02:37:18 Now I'm getting a help thing via msg's... 02:39:28 It's gone MAAAAAAAAAAAAAD 02:47:15 * ihope will resist the urge to spam it with !help and !ps 02:53:30 -!- DeathJoker has joined. 02:53:48 hello 02:53:57 'lo 02:56:26 -!- DeathJoker has left (?). 03:25:05 -!- ihope has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 03:25:46 -!- ihope has joined. 03:29:02 I suddenly want to write a Haskell-to-Lazy K compiler. 03:29:31 XD 03:30:52 It'd probably be done in an imperative language until I get Haskell down. 03:32:04 Now, according to Hugs, the last element of toinfinity (defined to be 1 : [ a+1 | a <- toinfinity ]) is 246625. 03:37:59 -!- ChanServ has quit (brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 03:38:56 * ihope suddenly realizes the ChanServ was spying on us 03:41:24 And the aluminum foil helmets don't work! 03:43:27 * ihope dons a +7 Helm of Referential Transparency 03:43:40 Oops, wait a minute 03:43:53 * ihope dons a +7 Helm of Referential Opacity 03:45:07 -!- ChanServ has joined. 03:45:07 -!- irc.freenode.net has set channel mode: +o ChanServ. 03:45:25 * ihope hides 03:49:06 -!- Sgeper has joined. 04:02:44 -!- ihope has quit ("Chatzilla 0.9.68.5 [Firefox 1.0.7/20050915]"). 05:05:48 -!- Sgep has quit (SendQ exceeded). 05:44:58 -!- kipple has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 05:50:09 Bye all 05:52:30 -!- Sgeper has quit. 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 08:38:53 -!- duerig has joined. 08:39:09 Hello, 10:50:48 -!- jix has joined. 12:27:52 -!- kipple has joined. 13:33:05 -!- duerig has quit ("Leaving"). 15:48:28 -!- Keymaker has joined. 15:53:05 hmmm, the language list is quite impressive already 15:54:20 -!- Xin_ has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 16:20:29 Keymaker: are you working on a golf entry? 16:21:04 yeah 16:21:13 at the very moment, actually :) 16:21:21 * jix too 16:21:35 i'm able to detect aba as wrong an abbcca too and abbccb too 16:21:35 yesterday night i thought i got it done, but there seems to be some stupid bug 16:21:54 i have some small memory bug 16:22:00 but i have some problem if it passes the first test and i need the first test to do my 2nd test 16:22:10 ok 16:22:38 i wonder if the other have worked on their entries.. 16:22:44 laurent, calamari... 16:23:34 i'm not done (no output and some code is still missing) and i'm at 258bytes 16:23:34 *others 16:24:27 i'll try to hunt the bug now 16:25:34 do you use some debugging tools? 16:25:39 nope 16:25:57 nope?! 16:26:09 or well, the interpreter i use prints the final memory state 16:26:53 it would be cool if bfdebug would support non wrapping 16:27:04 what that program does? 16:27:43 it displays the memory allows step by step running breakpoints and labeled memory positions (i don't use the last one) 16:28:03 uh 16:28:07 sounds too complex for me :) 16:28:33 its very easy to use... it's written by calamari 16:28:52 ok.. but i still won't use it :) 16:28:57 how many bytes do you have atm? 16:29:02 178 16:29:11 oops, 169 16:29:14 including output?! 16:29:17 nope 16:29:35 how can you do those tests with only 169 bytes? 16:29:46 i won't tell, this is a competition :p 16:29:54 it wasn't a real question 16:30:00 i know 16:30:03 :) 16:30:26 but just wait, knowing laurent he manages to stuff the whole thing in 250 bytes.. 16:30:54 or dbc.. 16:31:13 hopefully he has time to enter 16:31:30 246 bytes and far from complete :( 16:34:24 i think i have to rewrite it 16:34:59 i'll rewrite mine too, i'm too lazy to search the bug any other way :) 16:35:37 the problem sounds easy but it's quite difficult to implement 16:35:43 yeah 16:39:17 i'm at 18 bytes ;) 16:39:35 :) 16:52:56 and i'm again at 95 bytes.. (growing too fast) 17:06:18 NARGH 17:06:20 stupid me 17:06:38 again at 0 bytes 17:08:42 same here :) 17:13:27 ahhh 17:13:35 now i realize why.. 17:15:21 -!- Sgep has joined. 17:17:35 i forgot about order in my 2nd try you too? 17:18:13 nope 17:18:25 but i realized one simple error 17:26:06 between the keyboard and the chair, eh 17:26:18 yeah :) 17:36:38 -!- mtve has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 17:51:52 -!- mtve has joined. 18:44:25 i may not win, but at least i have one working solution!!!!!! 18:44:29 yeaaaaah 19:11:19 found small bug that happened only if the input was only the new-line char and nothing more, but now it's fixed 19:11:30 i did a lot testing and the solution should work perfectly 19:19:47 -!- calamari has joined. 19:20:10 hi 19:22:58 hi calamari! 19:23:05 hi keymaker 19:23:10 i just got my first competition entry done 19:23:19 i'm about to post the md5 soon 19:23:26 cool! 19:23:41 I hadn't checked it in a couple days 19:31:03 hmm nothing new yet.. guess you'll be the first :) 19:33:12 Keymaker: md5? what for? 19:33:29 my solution for calamari's competition 19:33:42 md5 of the program 19:34:10 http://lilly.csoft.net/~jeffryj/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=134 19:34:13 dont forget to post the size too :) 19:34:36 did i have to post that too? 19:34:36 * calamari checks it out 19:35:26 you don't have to, I suppose.. but I thought golf entries usually did? maybe I'm remembering wrong 19:35:45 brbish 19:35:47 yeah, they did, but your rules didn't require it ;) 19:36:01 haha 19:36:48 well, I'll amend the rules, but since you submitted before that, you are exempt if you prefer :) 19:37:02 :) 19:38:18 the actual code is probably as optimized as i can optimize, but the message printings aren't very optimized.. i'll need to try to squeeze them down.. 19:38:34 ..later.. :) 19:38:37 hehe 19:38:59 it was a nice task, i gotta say 19:39:04 there, rules changed :) 19:39:12 thanks, glad you enjoyed it 19:39:25 did the interpreter and stripper work properly? 19:39:47 stripper worked as supposed to, but i have used another interpreter 19:40:07 why? 19:40:44 because i always use that interpreter for my brainfuck programming 19:40:50 and i like it 19:40:57 it's some simple interpreter written by dbc 19:41:31 oic :) no problem.. just paranoid I guess. Some of the changes were done late at night and without much testing 19:41:38 :D 19:42:52 calamari: you've done any work on your entry yet? 19:43:33 yeah 19:43:54 Keymaker: can you edit your post to include size? 19:43:58 so far it can print accepted or rejected depending on the value of a cell :) 19:44:08 :) 19:44:33 jix: no, i'm too embarrassed! the size grew a lot from the 169.. 19:44:40 169? 19:44:44 * calamari cries 19:44:46 i had to add three error routine codes.. 19:44:50 it was without output 19:44:56 yeah, and wasn't functional 19:45:15 i was just going to say it was without output, but jix got first :) 19:45:27 * calamari better post before Keymaker posts the size.. otherwise I'll be too embarrassed :) 19:46:40 * calamari checks his current wip .. 698 bytes.. but that's with comments and a lot of commented out code 19:47:17 calamari: do you use bfdebug for debugging bf code? if yes, is there a non wrapping version? 19:47:39 yeah I'm using bfdebug.. no there isn't a non-wrapping version.. I should add that, it would be easy 19:47:59 to say once again; when i rewrote the code i added three error routine codes.. and the output code is 200+ bytes! x( 19:48:31 well, I haven't actually done any of the meat of the program yet.. 19:49:57 ok 19:50:24 * calamari suspects that if his program is larger than Keymaker's, he will then edit his entry to include the size.. :D 19:50:33 i know i will have no chances of winning, but at least got one working solution made for my own enjoyment 19:50:43 :) 19:50:57 never know.. could win by default 19:51:31 i have a bad feeling laurent comes up with something extra elegant, like in my second contest.. 19:51:40 or dbc 19:51:44 yeah 19:51:47 if he is participating 19:51:52 was just about to add that :) 19:51:56 he is a bf god 19:52:00 yeah 19:57:32 just to add, dbc once explained me in very great detail how his random generator program works.. and gotta say it is a H-A-C-K!! 20:06:49 it's only ~22:00?! 21:07:14 jix: http://kidsquid.com/programs/bf/bfdebug-1.70.jar 21:09:09 oops I just realized a bug.. don't d/l that yet :) 21:16:42 okay, uploaded a new 1.70 21:39:42 -!- cpressey_ has joined. 21:40:10 -!- cpressey has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 22:36:42 Keymaker: the cellular automaton one? 22:36:56 hm? 22:37:02 RNG 22:37:09 ah 22:37:10 yeah 23:03:58 calamari: thanks! 23:04:20 jix: yw.. let me know if you have problems 23:05:04 * jix launches Jar Bundler 23:05:10 hm? 23:05:15 .jar => .app 23:05:15 what's that? 23:05:20 oh 23:06:46 * calamari wonders what it looks like on a mac 23:07:09 I guess it should be the same for everyone since I'm using metal 23:07:46 no 23:07:51 it's native osx theme here 23:09:15 interesting 23:09:30 maybe java for osx overrides the default 23:09:33 it's graphical program? 23:09:36 yeah 23:09:40 ok 23:09:50 jix: care to make a screenshot? :) 23:10:17 sometimes seeing a program run in a different environment exposes layout flaws 23:13:27 the default window size is a bit too small 23:15:34 http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/5349/bild24go.png (the menu title was entered by me in jar bundler) 23:17:30 wow 23:17:51 * calamari now wants a mac 23:18:05 hrhr 23:18:34 agree, looks pretty good 23:18:45 I'm not too crazy about the tabs, but everything else is great 23:19:02 hmm anther idea... 23:19:18 15 memory fields are to few to fill a 19" screen 23:19:46 and the memory view jumps a bit fast in run mode 23:21:00 its supposed to go fast in run mode 23:21:16 you can go slow in step mode 23:21:34 while running code like [->+<] you can't watch the memory view 23:21:35 thinking about the options for the 15 fields 23:22:22 jix: why not? it seems fine here.. so maybe its a bug? 23:23:55 it doesn't seem to be a bug.. run >>>>>>>>>>+>>>>+>>+>>>>-[->+<] and try to find the 1 values 23:26:46 oh.. are you saying you'd like a speed control? 23:27:06 no but only move the memory view if the data pointer moves out of it.. don't always center it 23:27:12 but yes speed control would be cool too 23:27:16 brb 23:38:50 back