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02:32:53 <ihope> ack (9 -> 9 -> 9 -> 9, 9 -> 9 -> 9 -> 9)
02:53:30 <ihope> So I hear it's possible to write a Brainhype program that will check to see if it halts, and if it does, infinite-loop?
02:56:23 <lament> because brainfuck is TC, that should be possible
02:57:14 <ihope> Hmm... maybe someone could write one and post it on the forums?
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03:01:25 <lament> actually, probably not...
03:06:31 <lament> now that i think about it, brainhype doesn't create any paradoxes
03:06:52 <lament> you can't "break" the {} instruction
03:12:26 <Sgep> brainhype?
03:20:51 <calamari> http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Brainhype
03:21:40 <calamari> guess that one won't be implemented soon :)
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03:48:43 <Sgep> Hi GregorR-L 
03:48:50 <GregorR-L> 'ello Sgep.
03:49:29 <Sgep> Could the alternative version of Brainhype be implemented?
03:51:33 <GregorR-L> I've not seen of it, I'm not at home and don't have the logs therefore.
03:51:40 <GregorR-L> Err, I could get the logs :P
03:52:15 <Sgep> http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Brainhype ?
03:53:41 <Sgep> hmm...... When there is code between the {}, simply have run a Brainhype interpreter on it, ignoring IO, and when done, places 0 on the current cell
03:53:54 <Sgep> If it never halts...
03:55:54 <GregorR-L> It's clearly unimplementable.
03:56:22 <Sgep> GregorR: Not with the alternative specified...
03:56:43 <GregorR-L> You can't compute whether a program will halt.
03:56:46 <GregorR-L> Therefore it's unimplementable.
03:57:34 <Sgep> GregorR-L: If the program between the {} doesn't halt, then the whole thing doesn't halt
03:59:22 <GregorR-L> Oh, wait, I see .... so really it just runs whatever's in {} ...
04:02:11 <Sgep> (Of course, referring to the alternative)
04:04:47 <fizzie> I want a befunge interpreter on a DVD player VM, but the silly thing completely lacks all heap-style memory, it only has something like 16+24 32-bit registers. (And it does all the normal binary operators (and, or, xor) on those registers, which is probably oh-so-useful when all you can do is jump to title number N (or select audio track N) on the disc.)
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04:10:49 <calamari> fizzie: lol
04:11:18 * calamari suggests the play button on the remote ;)
04:30:20 <fizzie> One can do simple I/O from the registers by having short video-clips containing a single number, and then playing those back in an ordered sequence. But the lack of memory is a rather severe restriction.
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04:32:52 <Sgep> http://sgeo.diagonalfish.net/esoteric/MKBL.txt <<< My personal notes on a language I'm making
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05:39:33 <Sgep> hi Arrogant 
05:39:41 <Arrogant> Hey
05:39:41 <Arrogant> What's up?
05:49:55 <Sgep> http://sgeo.diagonalfish.net/esoteric/MKBL.txt
05:50:01 <Sgep> ^^^ personal notes
05:50:12 <Sgep> NOT specs (too unreadable...)
05:50:22 <Sgep> And it's nowhere near done
05:56:03 <Sgep> Any thoughts?
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05:58:52 <GregorR-L> YEAAAAAAAAAAAAH NETSPLIT!
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06:15:42 <Sgep> Hi 01
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07:29:50 <Sgep> Night all
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11:00:57 * nooga is writing libsadol :)
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11:14:11 <nooga> hi jix
11:15:24 <jix> moin nooga 
11:17:04 <nooga> how are you?
11:18:00 <jix> tired... zzZZ....
11:19:16 <nooga> ehhe.. im writing libSADOL ;p
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12:56:25 <jix> moin Keymaker 
12:59:37 <Keymaker> hi
12:59:47 <Keymaker> i'm writing a sci-fi short story
13:00:14 <Keymaker> (and yes, it sucks)
13:16:15 <jix> 1[0=2920010139644052621]3
13:16:15 <jix> 3[1#,1=*0,0>1,1|1,1|*1,1<1:4]3
13:16:15 <jix> 4[3=9223372036854781733,2=*0,0|*3,3|*3,2|*2,3|*2,0|*3,0|*0]3
13:18:16 <jix> it should have a period of 2^64
13:20:03 <Keymaker> what it does?
13:20:49 <jix> pseudo random number generator
13:20:56 <Keymaker> ok
13:21:38 <jix> the first big number is the seed
13:21:46 <Keymaker> ok
13:21:53 <jix> the 2nd big number shouldn't be changes because in most cases it results in a lower period
13:23:50 <jix> it generates 16 exabytes (thats 17179869184 gigabyte) without repeating
13:23:59 <Keymaker> wow
13:24:05 <Keymaker> awesome!
13:24:12 <jix> but that isn't much compared with MT
13:24:30 <Keymaker> MT?
13:24:39 <jix> Mersenne Twister
13:24:41 <Keymaker> ah
13:24:59 <jix> it repeats after:
13:25:00 <jix> 401905253286302336310524075882315620691881984772785706926626203712386142475312397920568600570024779676881338825986244113351239052923251072964894298041324764667152197507595608912426234357864418091824411586330057869665946141863093669075408727648975046759118648448869552382652510009963247929821784108659705296105115446136682110298092945440999871700665997787829001362565702771561413870308725670672327694754890845839328233974660572797306528790646305422138696
13:25:00 <jix> 953421669830456914566725163342423408909376719040437562394366174505002702240776846118942006685152787793869924857721928202341120370182281796905369924998191834449779803307606175045017464512722290264734001793201898977068433313657186656111382343558398878830515863014151395916388419359664339721556758243878140965234297840366774744663885561665950791281690041923863361315573392987259286200765857602241981000308373847518919762191244441163264999384252627068372033
13:25:02 <jix> 763111933980550327534027629016684766185140254468796078835436354368351649215978886270470928451660048312951427468905541138223278914882273249567933713889062224031935413805139845547524008619593826820035713606314057959271250843507832621367887924746386518091551034509831977332030888003937697939028884420167676864318828086560698518626411885386315090235498881811701636151255397071779075040277054989648673189942462029818497132474212455947188692775527087237185159
13:25:07 <jix> 285590811568299895764642182655379678933841624928789735624686101266822082312651269641096431819119244285586424906522611733370654073363587322562241118375794792204641863670475294474292246969596946939625424745445705551569518210600261983148606395664183203617942963284017811862197413912312554993243967760894843088345345453558909635202751480109693467398530223859606275400533788896904933482341635963009873092800072519775784718634522305851641058860350428723734409
13:25:14 <jix> 465783733761635505812515964174132520069518882090187528070784131316255311617158576067481328016007555012139598198968935842223544200014498804384934079245514095813239200626816475285642492404879924885373645381534804456517361693374798823490984080501745948314651320031345914976730651979960073639663455753842287970932922599362978717180758402898450916792059614416362424154632339935683280993906592580557520035536539145208631964961604162559243909099550162201200541
13:25:21 <jix> 471672631326137201415532103096019583120909261804468744780038739084112996375538286284027488435784102137449609286800223753555687919990567435340481755240290277607498175543139914790884517656643197200835111263671941029197734265368431172849344872058242193876826014077933957565416164855051227975133151022507833089361070352161316657271161383352851137068879548299505935412828240732837247696414242779441034794252355403191062065480395091519540873724723403575106334
13:25:28 <jix> 778762119321672003339440280866230493413016937925959062149095369331265423917515210582163905707952837342344688802796881636671941656836630477110586935364074881632858514937363011998417234225376788375805269112022269520313087790353239316564868842832537899680952926212017677651906238612740832608657999618078048290359428011992699227524026914199805244825657286558393035231894725808402742302969011883433452283242200647862328487302512172034250392866137194030560105
13:25:33 <jix> 778687406520608632121689650146274195622947884674329435506772711365572438133116905792497645867747401977407239274787144705228582781864687572261213573995264016991868759518545974120341513676822563771002487209436637535104430459326213982153606058542718202626644550745420413475747045005042533456774308703385617977579870024900082543661374474559380983420415482517172007668415904820305998270106312255807070243471996136965997260449112167264107699690234412423447395
13:25:38 <jix> 751412485882393683682934285368714358137360698128273825121478705374641886644388515859629240250196682286812719529901402217066646212755457520520106456039225376069962370228551948779804054682070886550563475736133679097160940039162605462369232499088528965234298316387788928496019422030861288877732133192380843051003320130591569633154031319643391412814338033297382591195556028259695648435484016352771640485017238431635983821944336722119761018553787092706467972
13:25:44 <Keymaker> how do you calculate that number?!
13:25:47 <jix> 174313737945085434274243842124636297627305078791012909092381415173324566434929087580150769085601728991068098774710981378965960366097338952394567498161562790117523561200066553602210197696066643673044077932497572332289384254392826007687634946646692624097351215512761675552914350269141136950360241936638656691239914642944722040881522059749593399427778490894646105795714192242821626563338695357208232861531404601905556488796698821565663592827061837651085398
13:25:52 <jix> 714141451488377947321936647854584724449197309257648689992886833833602510587001942847167051478799654202027680038526833442117780938322359165320989777126610382329712863008140208329710041019106708197507613351771250043648529363865103809210936836800486399851875943451238596594984294102060281494270496715405988262168724641148130993418086798761968434504156980407953434701066696596842406280927076168905398064849886617375798772307601582850973655536893324365662798
13:25:57 <jix> 543029605211676137100879919371781374433526383055549267985159945364042940898560871355096477789687992786023254959148414278324275703077091760517246969630424801588513121008007965383640801367552077318329224874606656014520888406142112822156057722103025817173286991581139323475871036331668228805199013472211271589826088241928166926201134103251802606886197245441864446532161737524150797682448927728213170166254167484512609907951741609138165963904068226247106174
13:26:02 <jix> 508460595627883667103823785616370812910983804500731206138729340991498443808015978016201002530918857149702932803481398352865790226132299264376246143205641418087767689473261995986735350044161104544930288228165894745359996087420647568603169180537022929978058600979018342652811953308939013780706438708452038056052665263320083478237083749452018379785078399027828461636855545733655124132393420144891490343097763944394018354454966604339945971413594497969441851
13:26:07 <jix> 18652403114494638117608816547554166036536718641160638647554605691604189678640504837566913017664795312128
13:26:09 <jix> GB
13:26:13 <jix> hm that number didn't fit on one line
13:26:15 <jix> using ruby code: 2**19937/2**30
13:26:17 <jix> the period of MT is 2**19937 and one gigabyte is 2**30 bytes
13:26:28 <jix> ** is power btw
13:26:29 <Keymaker> wow, and ruby outputs that?
13:26:39 <jix> yes
13:26:42 <Keymaker> woah
13:26:46 <jix> python would do that too
13:26:49 <jix> lisp too
13:26:51 <jix> haskell too
13:26:55 <jix> linguine too!
13:27:03 <Keymaker> yeah
13:27:14 <Keymaker> it's just the matter of writing the code
13:27:14 <puzzlet> down with C!
13:27:17 <Keymaker> :)
13:27:23 <jix> but ruby's number output algorithm is inefficient
13:27:30 <jix> it's a simple divide and reminder algorithm
13:27:44 <jix> you can write a pure ruby algorithm that performs better!
13:27:51 <Keymaker> :)
13:28:00 <Keymaker> perhaps it'll change in the future, then
13:28:17 <jix> using the mid-divide and reminder algorithm (i don't know if that is the name but that is what it does)
13:30:32 <jix> but my prng isn't cryptographic secure
13:30:35 <jix> MT neither
13:31:17 <fizzie> > (/ (expt 2 19937) (expt 2 30))
13:31:18 <fizzie> 401905253286302....
13:31:28 <fizzie> Most sensible languages have built-in bignums. :p
13:32:05 <jix> one could implement a MT with a period of 2**25964951
13:33:17 <fizzie> I'm having trouble with my prolog-scheme. :/
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15:31:32 <calamari> hi
15:32:22 <Keymaker> hi
15:32:58 <calamari> jix: after seeing your cool rng, I added a time in seconds since the epoch feature.. if you use this for the seed you can change line 1 to: 1[0^]3 
15:33:16 <calamari> hi Keymaker.. how's it going
15:33:39 <calamari> I figured nobody would use it, but what the heck.. why not hehe
15:33:58 <Keymaker> calamari: i'm fine
15:34:10 <Keymaker> i'm writing a sci-fi short story
15:35:20 <calamari> oh yeah.. I remember seeing that in the logs now.  How is that going?
15:35:54 <jix> back
15:35:56 <jix> calamari: cool
15:36:09 <Keymaker> calamari: nicely, i guess
15:36:19 <Keymaker> i've had some fun (imho) things in it
15:37:07 <calamari> are you planning on releasing it?
15:37:30 <Keymaker> not entirely sure :)
15:37:42 <Keymaker> perhaps i will let those to see it who want to read it
15:38:01 <Keymaker> like, via e-mail or such
15:38:06 <calamari> yeah, let me know.. I generally like sci-fi stuff
15:38:11 <Keymaker> ok
15:40:51 <calamari> jix: it seems to always start with 0.. am I just lucky?
15:41:41 <calamari> probably due to the seed.. 
15:44:01 <jix> calamari: no
15:44:08 <jix> the first number is printed after the first tap
15:44:28 <jix> look at line 3
15:44:28 <jix> 3[1#
15:44:44 <calamari> aha :)
15:45:42 <calamari> 1[0^]3
15:45:42 <calamari> 2[1#]3
15:45:42 <calamari> 3[1=*0,0>1,1|1,1|*1,1<1:4]2
15:45:42 <calamari> 4[3=9223372036854781733,2=*0,0|*3,3|*3,2|*2,3|*2,0|*3,0|*0]2
15:46:38 <jix> adding a 1# to the end of line 3 and 4 would be shorter
15:46:52 <calamari> yeah I suppose it would be
15:47:20 <jix> oh and it isn't a very strong prng
15:48:49 <calamari> 1[0^]2
15:48:49 <calamari> 2[1=*0,0>1,1|1,1|*1,1<1:3,1#]2
15:48:49 <calamari> 3[3=9223372036854781733,2=*0,0|*3,3|*3,2|*2,3|*2,0|*3,0|*0,1#]2
15:49:20 <calamari> perhaps not.. but it'd be good for games, etc
15:49:27 <jix> yes
15:49:42 <jix> but for games one could use a period smaller than 2**64
15:49:59 <calamari> I was looking at the timer function.. but it can only guarantee 1 second accuracy 
15:50:28 <calamari> so it's no good for speed limiting a game
15:50:55 <jix> and there is no way to controll the tty device
15:51:08 <jix> for getting non-blocking input
15:51:11 <jix> or non-echoing input
15:51:19 <calamari> yeah, you'd have to use stty
15:51:32 <jix> linguine sdl bindings would be cool
15:51:43 <jix> or linguine dynamic linker bindings => call any c lib!
15:52:26 <jix> but that is maybe a bit bloated
15:52:33 <calamari> I don't know anything about those really
15:53:15 <jix> i know how to call the dynamic linker using ruby/dl but with python i have no idea
15:54:22 <calamari> if you can call c libraries, that would really improve your c ompiler :)
15:54:35 <jix> yeah
15:54:41 <jix> but it would make linguine insecure
15:54:55 <calamari> yeah I dunno.. I think I'll just leave it be :)
15:55:20 <calamari> was looking up how to do this in python and its not great :)
15:56:43 <jix> btw this ( 2=*0,0|*3,3|*3,2|*2,3|*2,0|*3,0|*0 ) is 0^=3
15:57:11 <calamari> you can always use an i/o extender with any esolang to enhance the i/o abilities
15:57:19 <calamari> probably the better way to go
15:57:24 <jix> yeah
15:57:37 <calamari> yay.. xor :)
15:59:46 <calamari> well, gotta go.. have fun 
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18:02:02 <puzzlet> well i trust my machine
18:02:50 <puzzlet> and my reading skill
18:02:51 <Keymaker> :)
18:02:54 <Keymaker> hehe
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18:07:08 <Keymaker> :)
19:12:56 <fizzie> 3.80 seconds to calculate the value of (letrec ((fib (lambda (n) (if (= n 1) 0 (if (= n 2) 1 (+ (fib (- n 2)) (fib (- n 1)))))))) (fib 8)) -- this must be one of the slowest scheme systems ever built.
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19:37:59 <Sgep> hiall
19:38:13 <Keymaker> hi
19:38:41 * Sgep is superhypoer\
19:38:44 <Sgep> hyper
19:38:51 <Keymaker> hm? :)
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21:47:02 <Sgep> hi BT
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22:24:17 <Keymaker> well, the first draft of the story is finished
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