00:00:58 <SimonRC> !help glass
00:01:01 <EgoBot> To use an interpreter: <interpreter> <program>  Note: <program> can be the actual program, an http:// URL, or a file:// URL which refers to my pseudofilesystem. 
00:01:21 <SimonRC> what is glass?
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00:11:45 <GregorR> SimonRC: http://www.esolangs.org/wiki/Glass
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00:17:43 <GregorR> SimonRC: And incidentally, if you want an interpreter added to EgoBot, feel free to ask :P
00:17:44 <GregorR> !help
00:17:47 <EgoBot> help ps kill i eof flush show ls 
00:17:49 <EgoBot> 1l 2l adjust axo befunge bch bf{8,[16],32,64} glass glypho kipple lazyk malbolge pbrain rail sadol sceql udage01 
01:35:31 * SimonRC goes to bed
01:43:11 <GregorR> I'll understand that as "no comment" on Glass :P
02:06:55 <SimonRC> GregorR: hmm, Glass is interesting.
02:08:01 <SimonRC> If you can write conventional algorithms in it, a Java-->glass compiler could actually be a sane thing to do, to use glass as an OO interemediate language.
02:08:10 * SimonRC really goes to bed this time.
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06:37:24 <GregorR> HELLO
06:37:25 <GregorR> ELLO
06:37:25 <GregorR> LLO
06:37:26 <GregorR> LO
06:37:26 <GregorR> O
06:38:19 * GregorR listens to the crickets chirping.
06:42:06 <GregorR> My what an empty chaaaaannel, my what a boooooring buuuuuuuuuuuunch :-P
06:53:07 <fizzie> It's something improper like 08am here. (Well, closer to 09am, now.) What time is this to be awake anyway?
06:55:30 <GregorR> It's almost 11PM here :P
07:13:02 <GregorR> !glass {M[m(_d)(Debug)!(_d)(cl).?]}
07:13:05 <EgoBot> A Arr Arre BF Debug Emote F Fib Hsh Hshe I JixMath L LameQuine M O Rand S Tape TapeItem V  
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08:10:45 <GregorR> !glass {(BF)[(c__)m(Arr)!(mp)<0>=][(bf)(_a)A!(_o)O!(_s)S!(_t)$(_p)1=,(_pp)<0>=(_pc)(_pp)*(_p)*(_s)l.?(_a)(le).?=/(_pc)(_pcur)(_p)*(_pp)*(_s)i.?(_s)(sn).?=(_isc)(_pcur)*<43>(_a)e.?=/(_isc)(_isc)<0>=(_c)(mp)*mg.?=(_c)(_c)*<1>(_a)a.?=(mp)*(_c)*ms.?\(_isc)(_pcur)*<45>(_a)e.?=/(_isc)(_isc)<0>=(_c)(mp)*mg.?=(_c)(_c)*<1>(_a)s.?=(mp)*(_c)*ms.?\(_isc)(_pcur)*<60>(_a)e.?=/(_isc)(_isc)<0>=(mp)(mp)*<1>(_a)s.?=(_b)(mp)*<0>(_a)(lt).?=/(_b)^\\(_isc)(_pcur)*<62>(_a)e.?=
08:10:48 <EgoBot> OK 
08:10:55 <GregorR> And now, to kill myself.
08:11:20 <GregorR> Oh, wait, it didn't get the whole thing :(
08:13:50 * GregorR waits for the unusually slow pastebin ..
08:14:45 <GregorR> !glass http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/Na3OEx44.txt
08:14:48 <EgoBot> OK 
08:15:51 <GregorR> !glass {M[m(_b)(BF)!">+++++++++[<++++++++>-]<.>+++++++[<++++>-]<+.+++++++..+++.>>>++++++++[<++++>-]<.>>>++++++++++[<+++++++++>-]<---.<<<<.+++.------.--------.>>+."(_b)(bf).?]}
08:16:47 <GregorR> ...
08:17:04 <GregorR> !glass {M[m(_d)(Debug)!"BF"(_d)(fl).?]}
08:17:08 <EgoBot> bf c__  
08:17:10 <GregorR> !ps
08:17:14 <EgoBot> 1 GregorR: glass 
08:17:16 <EgoBot> 2 GregorR: ps 
08:17:21 <GregorR> Holy hell that's slow XD
08:17:38 <GregorR> !flush 1
08:17:44 <GregorR> !ps
08:17:46 <EgoBot> 1 GregorR: glass 
08:17:48 <EgoBot> 2 GregorR: ps 
08:17:50 <GregorR> !kill 1
08:17:52 <EgoBot> Process 1 killed. 
08:18:29 <GregorR> !glass {M[m(_b)(BF)!">+++++++++[<++++++++>-]<.>+++++++[<++++>-]<+.+++++++..+++.>>>++++++++[<++++>-]<.>>>++++++++++[<+++++++++>-]<---.<<<<.+++.------.--------.>>+."(_b)(bf).?"\n"(_o)O!(_o)o.?]}
08:18:46 <GregorR> Strange that it works great when I run it from the console :P
08:19:07 <GregorR> Anyway, for everybody who's on and interested: There is my BF interpreter in Glass.  Now I shall kill myself 8-D
08:19:58 <EgoBot>  
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08:22:58 <GregorR> 'ello
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08:23:08 <GregorR> And goodbye soon, as I'm about to go to sleep ;)
08:23:12 <nooga> oh
08:23:17 <nooga> it's morning here 
08:23:20 <GregorR> Heh
08:23:27 <GregorR> I just finished writing a BF interpreter in Glass.
08:23:37 <nooga> woh
08:23:51 <nooga> did you see a quine in sadol?
08:24:08 <GregorR> Somewhere on #esoteric?
08:24:35 <nooga> !help
08:24:38 <EgoBot> help ps kill i eof flush show ls 
08:24:40 <EgoBot> 1l 2l adjust axo befunge bch bf{8,[16],32,64} glass glypho kipple lazyk malbolge pbrain rail sadol sceql udage01 
08:24:55 <nooga> !sadol (4:C",216!"9(4:C",216!C!C!"9(4:C",216!C!C
08:24:58 <EgoBot> (4:C",216!"9(4:C",216!C!C!"9(4:C",216!C!C 
08:25:02 <nooga> :)
08:25:02 <GregorR> Cooooooooooool 8-D
08:25:31 <nooga> or reversed quine
08:25:37 <nooga> !sadol (7:C",228!R!C!"7822,"R:!R!"9822,"C:7(:R",228(7:C",2289"!R!:R",2287"!C!RR!C!"7822,"R:!R!"9822,"C:7(
08:25:40 <EgoBot> BDSM: Parsing: Unexpected end of file (index:98,row:1,col:99) 
08:25:45 <GregorR> Hah
08:25:49 <nooga> heh, w8
08:25:59 <nooga> btw, there's a BDSM2 
08:26:03 <nooga> better
08:27:11 <nooga> http://www.regedit.risp.pl/BDSM/
08:27:19 <GregorR> Oh, guess it's time to upgrade EgoBot
08:27:28 <nooga> and here's cool doc: http://www.regedit.risp.pl/BDSM/BDSM2.html
08:27:54 <nooga> and even more obfuscated 99b: http://www.regedit.risp.pl/BDSM/99_bottles_of_beer.sad
08:29:51 <nooga> !sadol (7:C",228!R!C!"7822,"R:!R!"9822,"C:7(:R",228(7:C",2289"!R!:R",2287"!C!RR!C!"7822,"R:!R!"9822,"C:7( 
08:30:00 <GregorR> My BF in Glass, btw: http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/svn/esofiles/glass/src/bf.glass
08:30:16 <GregorR> !ps
08:30:20 <EgoBot> 1 GregorR: ps 
08:30:29 <GregorR> Hmm, that had no output (...?)
08:30:33 <nooga> werid
08:30:39 <GregorR> Wait a tick, I'm still updating.
08:31:06 <nooga> hm, Glass is soo cool
08:31:11 <nooga> damn
08:32:21 <GregorR> Hah, why thank you :)
08:32:26 <GregorR> !reload
08:32:45 <GregorR> !sadol (4:C",216!"9(4:C",216!C!C!"9(4:C",216!C!C
08:32:49 <EgoBot> (4:C",216!"9(4:C",216!C!C!"9(4:C",216!C!C 
08:32:51 <nooga> !sadol (7:C",228!R!C!"7822,"R:!R!"9822,"C:7(:R",228(7:C",2289"!R!:R",2287"!C!RR!C!"7822,"R:!R!"9822,"C:7( 
08:32:55 <EgoBot> BDSM: Parsing: Unexpected end of file (index: 99, row: 1, col: 100) 
08:32:55 <GregorR> Should be BDSM2 now.
08:33:01 <nooga> hm hm
08:33:01 <GregorR> Or ... hmm.
08:33:08 <GregorR> Or I'm confused :P
08:33:10 <nooga> wait a sec
08:33:35 <GregorR> Oh, BDSM2 still says BDSM: in errors :P
08:33:51 <nooga> it's not my fault :>
08:34:09 <nooga> btw. BDSM isn't really "Bad Developed"
08:34:30 <nooga> imho it's great... it has optimisations, copy on write and so on
08:36:06 <GregorR> Anyway, I really ought to get to sleep, have to get up in the morning - if you happen to see jix, tell him http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/svn/esofiles/glass/src/bf.glass :P
08:36:30 <nooga> okay
08:36:44 <nooga> !sadol \+2.222
08:36:50 <nooga> !sadol !\+2.222
08:36:53 <EgoBot> 2 
08:37:03 <nooga> hah yes it's BDSM2
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09:17:19 <puzzlet> !help
09:17:21 <EgoBot> help ps kill i eof flush show ls 
09:17:23 <EgoBot> 1l 2l adjust axo befunge bch bf{8,[16],32,64} glass glypho kipple lazyk malbolge pbrain rail sadol sceql udage01 
09:17:33 <puzzlet> !help glass
09:17:35 <EgoBot> To use an interpreter: <interpreter> <program>  Note: <program> can be the actual program, an http:// URL, or a file:// URL which refers to my pseudofilesystem. 
09:18:12 <nooga> hm?
09:23:58 <nooga> does egobot use fork?
09:24:30 <nooga> or rather some kind of threading inside?
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14:14:29 <SimonRC_> hi
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14:55:27 * SimonRC is slightly annoyed.
14:55:42 <SimonRC> BDSM2 still only has dynamic scope, not lexical.
14:57:28 <SimonRC> If you used lexical scope and changed ~ to act as a lambda, it would actually become practical to translate large functional or OO programs into sadol.
14:59:36 <SimonRC> Oh, and a LET* or LETREC mechanism would be nice, unless the y combinator was handy.
15:01:32 <SimonRC> Actually, that could confuse the hell out of the parser, which relies on being able to tell functions from data at compile-time :-(
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15:06:11 <SimonRC> hi
15:09:46 <SimonRC> !help
15:09:48 <EgoBot> help ps kill i eof flush show ls 
15:09:50 <EgoBot> 1l 2l adjust axo befunge bch bf{8,[16],32,64} glass glypho kipple lazyk malbolge pbrain rail sadol sceql udage01 
15:10:06 <SimonRC> !sadol !5
15:10:08 <EgoBot> 5 
15:10:27 <SimonRC> !sadol !!5
15:10:30 <EgoBot> 55 
15:10:46 <SimonRC> !sadol !+!42
15:10:50 <EgoBot> 46 
15:11:00 <SimonRC> !sadol !-!42
15:11:02 <EgoBot> 42 
15:11:05 <SimonRC> heh
15:14:41 <SimonRC> !sadol !+$212$212
15:14:44 <EgoBot> (1,2,1,2) 
15:18:44 <SimonRC> !sadol :a$212!a:ba!b:#b23!a!b
15:18:46 <EgoBot> BDSM: Executing: Cannot return element of list as l-value - index 2 out of bounds (index: 14, row: 1, col: 15) 
15:19:32 <SimonRC> !sadol :a$212!a:ba!b:#b13!a!b
15:19:36 <EgoBot> (1,2)(1,2)(1,2)(1,3) 
15:19:59 <SimonRC> ooh, a and b are seperate lists.
15:20:37 <SimonRC> !sadol !:a$212!a!:ba!b!:#b13!a!b
15:20:40 <EgoBot> (1,2)(1,2)(1,2)(1,2)3(1,2)(1,3) 
15:37:10 * SimonRC wonders abuot the practicality of recursion in sadol
15:40:50 <SimonRC> !sadol ~R1(3~r2$0~r2(3:f_0:s_1?>#s0(3:e[s]ferfsf
15:40:52 <EgoBot> BDSM: Parsing: Local function redefinition: 'r' (index: 10, row: 1, col: 11) 
15:40:58 <SimonRC> feck
15:41:14 <SimonRC> how in the name of Tux do I do recursion?
15:42:22 * SimonRC tries the naive way
15:43:07 <SimonRC> !sadol ~R1(3~r2$0~r2(3:f_0:s_1?>#s0(3:e[s]ferfsfr$0_0
15:43:09 <SimonRC> nonono
15:43:10 <EgoBot> BDSM: Parsing: Local function redefinition: 'r' (index: 10, row: 1, col: 11) 
15:43:22 <SimonRC> !sadol ~R1(2~r2(3:f_0:s_1?>#s0(3:e[s]ferfsfr$0_0
15:43:24 <EgoBot> BDSM: Executing: Cannot extract element from integer with '#' on index: 0 - invalid type (index: 20, row: 1, col: 21) 
15:43:57 <SimonRC> It is confused i think
15:46:27 <SimonRC> !sadol ~R1 (2   ~r2 (3  :f_0  :s_1  ?>#s-010 (3 :e[s ]fe rfs f   r$0_0
15:46:31 <EgoBot> BDSM: Executing: Cannot extract element from integer with '#' on index: -1 - invalid type (index: 31, row: 1, col: 32) 
15:47:18 <SimonRC> !sadol #$256-01
15:47:23 <SimonRC> !sadol !#$256-01
15:47:25 <EgoBot> 2 
15:49:20 <SimonRC> !sadol :s$256!#s-01
15:49:23 <EgoBot> 2 
15:50:21 <SimonRC> !sadol :s$256!s!#s-01
15:50:25 <EgoBot> (5,6)2 
15:51:28 <SimonRC> !sadol :f$234:s$3567!f!s
15:51:31 <EgoBot> (3,4)(5,6,7) 
15:51:52 <SimonRC> !sadol :f$234:s$3567!>#s-011
15:51:55 <EgoBot> 1 
15:52:14 <SimonRC> !sadol :f$234:s$3567!?>#s-011!"4true!"5false
15:52:17 <EgoBot> truetrue 
15:52:34 <SimonRC> !sadol :f$234:s$3567!?>#s-011"4true"5false
15:52:37 <EgoBot> true 
15:53:41 <SimonRC> !sadol :f$234:s$3567!?>#s-011(3:e[s]fe(3!e!f!s"5false
15:53:45 <EgoBot> 7(3,4,7)(5,6)(5,6) 
15:53:55 <SimonRC> !sadol :f$234:s$3567?>#s-011(3:e[s]fe(3!e!f!s!"5false
15:53:59 <EgoBot> 7(3,4,7)(5,6) 
15:55:42 <SimonRC> !sadol ~r2(3:f$234:s$3567?>#s-011(3:e[s]ferfsf
15:56:10 <SimonRC> !sadol ~r2(3:f_0:s_1?>#s-011(3:e[s]ferfsf
15:56:13 <EgoBot> BDSM: Executing: Cannot extract element from integer with '#' on index: -1 - invalid type (index: 15, row: 1, col: 16) 
15:56:17 <SimonRC> hmm
15:56:26 <SimonRC> ah
15:56:31 <SimonRC> I though _ was a function
15:56:35 <SimonRC> ah
15:56:51 <SimonRC> !sadol ~r2(3:f#_0:s#_1?>#s-011(3:e[s]ferfsf
15:57:43 <SimonRC> !sadol ~R1(2~r2(3:f#_0:s#_1?>#s-011(3:e[s]ferfsfr$0#_0
15:58:00 <SimonRC> !sadol ~R1(2~r2(3:f#_0:s#_1?>#s-011(3:e[s]ferfsfr$0#_0 !R$567890
15:58:05 <EgoBot> (0,9,8,7) 
15:58:12 <SimonRC> hmm, buggy
15:59:46 <SimonRC> !sadol ~R1(2~r2(3:f#_0:s#_1?>#s-011(3:e[s]fe(4!f!s!erfsfr$0#_0 !R$567890
15:59:49 <EgoBot> (0)(6,7,8,9)0(0,9)(6,7,8)9(0,9,8)(6,7)8(0,9,8,7)(6)7(0,9,8,7) 
16:00:36 <SimonRC> !sadol ~R1(2~r2(3:f#_0:s#_1?>#s-011(3:e[s]fe (4!f!s!#s-01 rfsfr$0#_0 !R$567890
16:00:39 <EgoBot> (0)(6,7,8,9)4(0,9)(6,7,8)3(0,9,8)(6,7)2(0,9,8,7)(6)1(0,9,8,7) 
16:01:47 <SimonRC> !sadol ~R1(2~r2(4:f#_0:s#_1!#s-01?>#s-011(3:e[s]fe (3!f!srfs fr$0#_0 !R$567890
16:01:51 <EgoBot> 5(0)(6,7,8,9)4(0,9)(6,7,8)3(0,9,8)(6,7)2(0,9,8,7)(6)1(0,9,8,7) 
16:02:48 <SimonRC> !sadol :l$3123!l![l!l
16:02:51 <EgoBot> (1,2,3)3(1,2) 
16:03:08 <SimonRC> !$0
16:03:22 * SimonRC has found a bug!
16:03:29 <SimonRC> !$1
16:03:38 <SimonRC> erm, oops
16:03:43 <SimonRC> !sadol !$0
16:03:45 <EgoBot> () 
16:03:47 <SimonRC> oh
16:04:24 <SimonRC> !sadol :l$1!l![l!l
16:04:27 <EgoBot> 00() 
16:04:39 <SimonRC> erm
16:06:11 <SimonRC> !sadol ~R1(2~r2(4:f#_0:s#_1!#s-01?>#s-011(4(2!f!s:e[s]fe (3!f!srfs fr$0#_0 !R$567890
16:06:15 <EgoBot> 5()(6,7,8,9,0)(0)(6,7,8,9)4(0)(6,7,8,9)(0,9)(6,7,8)3(0,9)(6,7,8)(0,9,8)(6,7)2(0,9,8)(6,7)(0,9,8,7)(6)1(0,9,8,7) 
16:06:51 <SimonRC> d'oh!
16:06:58 <SimonRC> !sadol ~R1(2~r2(4:f#_0:s#_1!#s-01?>#s-010(4(2!f!s:e[s]fe (3!f!srfs fr$0#_0 !R$567890
16:07:01 <EgoBot> 5()(6,7,8,9,0)(0)(6,7,8,9)4(0)(6,7,8,9)(0,9)(6,7,8)3(0,9)(6,7,8)(0,9,8)(6,7)2(0,9,8)(6,7)(0,9,8,7)(6)1(0,9,8,7)(6)(0,9,8,7,6)()0(0,9,8,7,6) 
16:07:18 <SimonRC> There, that 1 should have been a 0
16:07:58 <SimonRC> !sadol ~R1(2~r2(3:f#_0:s#_1?>#s-010(3:e[s]ferfsfr$0#_0 !R$567890
16:08:01 <EgoBot> (0,9,8,7,6) 
16:08:04 <SimonRC> yay!
16:08:14 <SimonRC> R is the reverse function
16:10:21 * SimonRC gets an interpreter instead of spamming the channel.
16:19:29 <SimonRC> !sadol ~R1(2~r2(3:f#_0:s#_1?>#s-010(3:e[s]ferfsfr$0#_0 !R$567890
16:19:31 <EgoBot> No repeats. 
16:19:34 <SimonRC> hmm
16:19:49 <SimonRC> ah
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18:54:42 <GregorR> jix: http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/svn/esofiles/glass/src/bf.glass (it's on EgoBot too but doesn't work so well on EgoBot for some reason ...)
18:56:47 <jix> cool
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20:39:51 <calamari> bye
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21:59:15 <ihope> Suppose I have an Unlambda expression `Av. I know nothing about the value of A. Is d the only way to keep it from evaluating?
22:02:35 <ihope> !help
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22:02:40 <EgoBot> 1l 2l adjust axo befunge bch bf{8,[16],32,64} glass glypho kipple lazyk malbolge pbrain rail sadol sceql udage01 
22:02:51 <ihope> No Unlambda, eh?
22:07:18 <lament> ihope: i believe so
22:07:23 <lament> ihope: unlambda sucks :)
22:07:34 <ihope> But it has a c combinator!
22:07:59 <lament> what about ``ki`Av
22:08:29 <lament> will that evaluate?
22:08:48 <ihope> Not per se.
22:08:54 <int-e> it won't parse
22:09:01 <ihope> A, in this case, is a continuation.
22:09:40 <int-e> call/cc is evil.
22:09:59 <ihope> It can be useful...
22:10:17 <ihope> Like when testing for v :-P
22:11:02 <int-e> | is really cool - in programs that don't do I/O :)
22:11:38 <lament> ihope: and thus totally useless in languages that don't have v! :P
22:12:12 <ihope> lament: well, then, everything's totally useless except s and k combinators, right?
22:12:21 <ihope> (and I/O?)
22:12:53 <lament> lazy k manages without IO :)
22:13:10 <lament> or rather, does IO in a sane fashion
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22:15:09 <GregorR-L> What unlambda interpreter should I use in EgoBot?
22:15:15 <GregorR-L> Please note the word "interpreter"
22:15:30 <lament> i believe the ocaml one is fastest
22:15:57 <ihope> Does the ocaml one show you the end results of evaluating the program?
22:17:08 * int-e wonders if more than one person ever found http://web.inf.tu-dresden.de/~bf3/unlambda/
22:18:02 <ihope> If said one person isn't me, the answer's probably yes.
22:18:47 <ihope> Then again, maybe not.
22:19:40 <GregorR-L> Did whoever was writing a Glass->Java bytecode compiler ever get anywhere?
22:19:57 <GregorR-L> I could look through the logs, but am a lazy ****
22:23:25 <int-e> is the ocaml one the caml one from the unlambda 2.0.0 distribution or is there another one?
22:25:17 <lament> i only know of that one
22:25:30 <int-e> then I'd claim that my C one is faster :)
22:25:55 <GregorR-L> BATTLE TO THE DEATH
22:30:18 <GregorR-L> Why aren't you battling to the death? :(
22:31:20 * ihope battles GregorR-L
22:31:26 * GregorR-L dies.
22:31:42 * ihope cries
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22:32:11 <GregorR-L[dead]> Well.
22:32:14 <GregorR-L[dead]> That sucks.
22:32:23 <int-e> even for insanely call/cc-ing programs like quine12.unl :) (that's the one where mandelson-unlambda does so poorly)
22:32:28 <ihope> You still have two lives left, don't you?
22:32:35 <GregorR-L[dead]> I left 'em at home.
22:32:39 <ihope> Oh.
22:32:46 <GregorR-L[dead]> I'll get them after class.
22:32:51 <ihope> Okay.
22:37:21 <ihope> Wait, where's quine12.unl?
22:37:46 <int-e> CUAN
22:38:03 <int-e> unlambda-2.0.0/CUAN/quine/quine12.unl
22:38:25 <ihope> There's no quine12.unl over here...
22:39:09 <int-e> hmm. ftp://quatramaran.ens.fr/pub/madore/unlambda/CUAN/quine/ then
22:40:23 <int-e> there used to be an archive for that.
22:40:32 <ihope> That seems to consist of a very large number of spaces...
22:41:00 <ihope> Apparently my browser is displaying it as white on white.
22:42:46 <ihope> 'Ere we go.
22:44:03 <int-e> it's still part of the unlambda archive (ftp://quatramaran.ens.fr/pub/madore/unlambda/unlambda-latest.tar.gz) in the directory that I mentioned. oh ... unless you don't have symbolic links, then it'd be ../Olivier.Wittenberg/quine5.unl
22:44:30 <ihope> Looks like it.
22:44:42 <ihope> So three instances of call/cc is insane?
22:44:44 <int-e> I should have thought of that :)
22:46:00 <ihope> It looks like `cc is a fancy identity function...
22:46:16 <ihope> So `c`cc should be some continuation of some sort...
22:46:35 <int-e> ihope: at runtime, it call/cc's a lot ... and creates many continuations that are alive simultaneously
22:48:25 <int-e> ah, neat. then ``c`cc`c`r`.o`.o`.f`cc prints 'foo' over and over :)
22:50:11 <ihope> If you have a continuation that returns into A in `cA...
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22:52:19 <GregorR-L> Unlambda can't do file I/O, can it?
22:53:43 <int-e> it can only read from stdin and write to stdout
22:53:55 <GregorR-L> Perfect.  Wonder why I haven't included it yet.
22:54:09 <GregorR-L> When I get home I'll add it to EgoBot.
22:54:17 <int-e> it can eat a lot of memory and run into infinite loops :)
22:54:25 <GregorR-L> So can BF :P
22:54:39 <int-e> true
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23:32:39 <ihope> call/cc is an annoying thing...
23:33:10 * int-e is trying to understand a quine using call/cc that he himself wrote a few years ago
23:33:13 * int-e agrees
23:33:15 <int-e> :)
23:33:31 <ihope> It's too durn easy to write an infinite loop with that stuff!
23:34:23 <ihope> Hmm, apparently I have a claim on the word "schtouffe".
23:36:02 <int-e> I think I got it. Luckily I kept the corresponding lambda terms around :)
23:36:30 <pgimeno> ever tried writing an infinite loop in malbolge? it's pretty difficult, even with random programs
23:36:51 <int-e> hmm. I think someone wrote a cat program in Malbolge
23:37:22 <pgimeno> indeed
23:37:23 <ihope> Oh, that reminds me, I was going to find out how many times a BF-PDA program of length 5 can run the . instruction...
23:37:35 <ihope> ...before halting.
23:38:24 <GregorR-L> -PDA?
23:38:38 <ihope> Push-Down Automaton.
23:38:50 <GregorR-L> Lemme ask that properly, BF-PDA?
23:39:39 <ihope> Brainf*** push-down automaton.
23:40:02 <ihope> It's on the wiki.
23:40:03 <GregorR-L> lol, I got that >_> ... do you just mean a BF program that could be implemented as a PDA?
23:40:05 <GregorR-L> Oh, OK.
23:40:37 <GregorR-L> Ah, got it.
23:41:01 <ihope> A program of length 1 can do it once, one of 2 can do it twice, etc.
23:43:03 <ihope> ...up to 4.
23:43:39 <ihope> To do it more than five times, . must be in a loop somewhere.
23:44:09 <ihope> [.] results in an infinite loop, so something else must be there.
23:44:49 <ihope> An @ must be before the loop.
23:45:52 <GregorR-L> Idonno, I think you'll have to go higher.
23:46:16 <ihope> There are only 8 programs that meet those criteria.
23:46:40 <ihope> ...I mean 7, one of which is @[..], which doesn't count.
23:47:08 <ihope> < and > seem to simply act as zeroers.
23:47:35 <ihope> So the only valid programs are @[.@] and @[@.]
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23:48:11 <ihope> Both of those will output once, so ..... is the best.
23:51:49 <ihope> Ho to the Report, 1-2-3-4-5!
23:52:34 <int-e> hmm ... for 15, a program that prints 16 digits exists. @<<<<@[....>@]
23:53:52 <int-e> oh, that's 14
23:54:05 <ihope> Outputs 14 or has length 14?
23:54:15 <int-e> outputs 16 and has length 14
23:54:21 <ihope> Ah.
23:54:38 <ihope> Well, what's the best of length 6?
23:54:48 <ihope> Probably 6, again.
23:56:45 <int-e> hmm. if your program has only a single loop, that loop has to reduce the stack size (or run only once).
23:56:58 <ihope> True.
23:57:23 <int-e> that makes at least 3 characters for the loop ([>])
23:57:44 <ihope> And the loop has to have at least 1 . in it to be of any use.
23:57:51 <int-e> and, for each iteration, an additional <
23:58:00 <ihope> Yep.
23:59:05 <int-e> so it has to have at least 3 . in it to be a win.
23:59:28 <int-e> err. 2.
23:59:34 <ihope> Yep.
23:59:41 <ihope> ...Well, I dunno.