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01:17:54 <ihope> How many points are required to define a conic section?
01:18:27 <ihope> Three can define a circle, and four can probably define an ellipse.
01:19:15 <ihope> If those points were along a parabola rather than an ellipse, then you'd probably end up with a parabola. If they were on a hyperbola, however...
01:19:41 <GregorR-L> Two can define a circle: the center and a point on the edge.
01:19:42 <ihope> So a hyperbola and an ellipse can intersect at four points.
01:19:58 <ihope> GregorR-L: but you'd need some extra info to know which is which.
01:20:17 <GregorR-L> OK, I guess if you want to know nothing about the points, then yeah.
01:20:55 <ihope> Just like a parabola can be defined by its focus and the whatchamacallit, as well as which is which.
01:21:04 * ihope looks up the name of the whatchamacallit
01:22:28 <ihope> Vertex?
01:23:27 <ihope> Well, that'll work. The focus and the vertex.
01:23:51 <ihope> I was thinking the intersection of the directrix and the line formed by the focus and the vertex.
01:27:13 * SimonRC ponders how that heck multiple dimensions of time might work
01:27:49 <SimonRC> IIRC, a circle takes 3, so I think a conic section takes 4
01:29:17 <SimonRC> putting "multiple time dimensions" into google turns up a few nuts and a load of database stuff
01:32:42 <ihope> Multiple time dimensions?
01:32:59 <ihope> Is the path of time a conic section? :-)
01:35:12 <SimonRC> WTF?!   http://www.friesian.com/images/onto-14.gif
01:38:43 <ihope> If it has the word "quantum" in it, either I have a strange obsession with it or I don't understand it at all.
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01:52:09 <SimonRC> Hmm, this is one of the less usual nutty physics websites; the type that states things that are fairly obvious and uses simple variations on mainstream "stuff" like they are some amazing new discovery.   http://www.brooksdesign-cg.com/Code/Html/netart5.htm
01:52:45 <SimonRC> I was taught everything I have read (so far) except the bizarre diagramming at secondary school.
01:53:08 <SimonRC> conservation of units or whatever you want to call it.
02:03:02 <ihope> Let's see here.
02:03:13 <ihope> Everything's extremely strictly right-associative.
02:03:35 <ihope> 3^^^^3 = 3^^^3^^^3 = 3^^^3^^3^^3 = 3^^^3^^3^3^3
02:04:15 <SimonRC> not friggin graham's number again
02:04:21 <ihope> Yep.
02:04:36 <ihope> = 3^^^3^^3^27 = 3^^^3^^7625597484987
02:06:29 <ihope> Trying to go any further with lambda bot gives "Exception: stack overflow".
02:08:37 * SimonRC goes to bed
02:49:12 <calamari> 4^^4 = 4^4^4^4 ?
02:50:20 <calamari> 2^^5 = 2 ^ 2 ^ 2 ^ 2 ^ 2 ?
02:51:03 <ihope> Aye.
02:51:18 <ihope> 2^^^6 = 2^^2^^2^^2^^2^^2
02:51:43 <ihope> This is right-associative: 2^2^2^2 = 2^(2^(2^2)).
02:51:46 <calamari> that means 3^^7625597484987 is extremely huge ;)
02:51:53 <ihope> calamari: yep :-)
02:52:03 <ihope> And 3^^^that is big too.
02:52:30 <ihope> Then you have to use that many Knuth arrows (i.e. carats) in the next number.
02:52:41 <ihope> Once you've calculated 64 of those, I'll let you go.
02:52:49 * ihope goes himself
02:53:00 <calamari> nah I'll let you handle it 
02:56:40 <calamari> seems like 2^^^^2 would be more interestng
03:03:40 <calamari> can't help it :) 2^^^^2=2^^^2^^^2=2^^^2^^2^^2=2^^^2^^2^2^2=2^^^2^^16=2^^^2^2^2^2^2^2^2^2^2^2^2^2^2^2^2^2
03:05:23 <calamari> =2^^^2^2^2^2^2^2^2^2^2^2^2^2^65536
03:06:24 <calamari> can't post 2^65536 but python found it :)
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03:09:59 <calamari> log(2^65536)/log(10) ~= 19728.3017958
03:10:15 <calamari> so 10^19728 heh
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03:34:00 <calamari> 2^65536=115792089237316195423570985008687907853269984665640564039457584007913129639936^256
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07:35:32 <GregorR-L> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOGA
07:39:50 <nooga> GreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeegoR-L
07:40:08 <GregorR-L> You missed an r ;)
07:40:16 <nooga> woops ;]
07:40:35 <nooga> wassup?
07:40:39 <GregorR-L> ^ that way
07:40:59 <nooga> :>
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13:41:27 <ihope> Oh, right right.
13:41:53 <ihope> Would a set of functions be okay for inclusion on the Wiki?
13:42:53 <ihope> The "F-TR1" set?
13:49:00 * kipple have no idea what that is...
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14:30:07 <SimonRC> ihope__: erm, just post them and we'll delete them if we don;t like them
14:57:40 <ihope__> Okay.
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15:18:00 <SimonRC> apparently, this is fake:   http://www.donaldsensing.com/Pix/0412/2004computer.jpg
15:40:18 <kipple> it is? claims who?
15:44:21 <SimonRC> another person I know
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16:03:18 <basti_> ahhh
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16:08:50 <SimonRC> hi
16:09:02 <basti_> hi
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16:12:09 <SimonRC> hi
16:13:01 <ihope_> hi
16:37:55 <ihope_> Scanner something error happens.
16:38:16 * jix is programming his robot
16:39:10 <SimonRC> robot?
16:39:20 <SimonRC> how did you acquire that?
16:40:51 <jix> it's build using lego mindstorms
16:42:01 <jix> a friend of mine and i are going to participate (in|at|on|whatever) the robocup junior wm
16:42:21 <jix> he built the robot (he is much better than me in building robots) and i program it
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16:48:24 <ski__> jix : program in nqc ?
16:48:42 <jix> ski__: right
16:49:13 <jix> there is no other way to do mindstorms programming on mac os x
16:49:48 <jix> and the offical lego tools for windows really suck 
16:51:02 <ihope_> "Be existed a interface by Haskell that?"
16:53:15 <ski__> ihope : ?
16:54:33 <ihope_> "Is there an interface for that for Haskell?
16:57:30 <ski__> are you quoting someone ?
16:57:39 <ihope_> No.
16:57:58 <ski__> i don't know of any haskell interface, no
16:58:58 <ski__> wouldn't you need to e.g. port a haskell-runtime to the platform, then ?
16:59:28 <ski__> or were you thinking of a DSL in haskell that compiles down to, say, quite simple nqc ?
16:59:42 <SimonRC> IIRC, there is only a very tiny amount of RAM, e.g. 16 words.
16:59:57 <ski__> ya :)
17:00:25 <SimonRC> you need a stamp computer or something
17:00:37 <ski__> what's that ?
17:01:06 <SimonRC> a computer on a single 3*6cm board, iirc
17:01:17 <ihope_> Wait... the Lego Mindstorms thing has only 16 words of memory?
17:01:18 <SimonRC> they could accomodate the Haskell RTS
17:01:24 <ihope_> Just what's in a word?
17:01:24 <SimonRC> ihope_: I *think* so
17:01:28 <SimonRC> 16 bits
17:01:40 <ihope_> 256 bits of RAM...
17:01:43 <SimonRC> I may be comfusing it with another processor
17:02:06 <jix> it has 16bit adress space
17:02:14 <edwinb> I thought it hadd 32k...
17:02:24 <SimonRC> try creating lots and lots of variables, and see if you hit a limit
17:02:25 <edwinb> (but I've never used it)
17:03:12 <SimonRC> OST, edwinb could be right.
17:03:19 <ihope_> That could be implemented with a couple switch thingies. Like squares, being black on one side and white on the other, then you could shine lasers on them to see what state they're in.
17:03:42 <ihope_> And to change them... blow some air on them? :-)
17:26:02 <ihope_> A man married 30 women, yet never had a wife...
17:26:31 <SimonRC> ?
17:28:11 <ihope_> How do you think he managed it?
17:29:16 <edwinb> he was a priest...
17:29:54 <ihope_> Yep, that'd do it.
17:46:11 <ihope_> Keep Japan clean: don't burn the fire chief!
17:54:34 <SimonRC> edwinb: waitamo, how did you know this place was here.
17:54:44 * SimonRC knows edwinb from elsewhere
17:59:39 * edwinb knows how to find things on the InterWeb.
18:01:38 <SimonRC> ah, but the trick is thinking of looking for them.
18:01:47 <ihope_> Here goes...
18:02:00 <SimonRC> ihope_: ?
18:02:33 <ihope_> Finally actually WRITING the bot, whoo!
18:03:01 <SimonRC> ah, ok
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19:48:22 <ihope> Insert witty joke here.
19:59:06 <SimonRC> Ahem
19:59:24 <SimonRC> "I had a dog with no legs called cigarette....
19:59:38 <SimonRC> ... Every day, I'd take him out for a drag"
19:59:49 <SimonRC> Boom boom
20:00:11 <ihope> Did you hear the one about the king and the ping pong balls?
20:01:04 <SimonRC> no
20:01:21 <ihope> Nah, that's too long. What about the snake and the lever?
20:01:27 <SimonRC> no
20:01:47 <ihope> Well, there was a guy once who was named Jake.
20:02:01 <ihope> You know, perfectly human and everything.
20:02:24 <SimonRC> yeah...
20:02:32 <ihope> Well, he also had a wife named Ann.
20:02:46 <ihope> And two sons and a dog and a cat.
20:02:52 <SimonRC> hm, ok
20:03:25 <ihope> So one day, Jake is walking the dog...
20:04:24 <ihope> Of course, walking the dog is nothing too interesting in and of itself.
20:05:02 <SimonRC> yeah...
20:05:30 <ihope> But the dog breaks free of his leash, which means, of course, that I can use that fact to develop the plot a little by making Jake's search for his dog very... long.
20:05:56 <SimonRC> indeed
20:06:26 <SimonRC> >:-|
20:06:33 <ihope> Anyway, Jake notices something in the dirt. It might have been some super-powerful artifact...
20:07:15 <ihope> But it was just a beetle, who had managed to become half-buried.
20:08:02 <SimonRC> I see
20:08:14 <ihope> Disappointed, and unable to find his dog, Jake decides to go back home... you know?
20:08:21 <SimonRC> of course
20:09:20 <ihope> Well, lemme see here...
20:09:54 <ihope> Oh, right right. Character development, and all that.
20:10:17 <ihope> Well, divorce laws in Jake's country are extremely strict.
20:10:40 <SimonRC> I see...
20:10:43 <ihope> So Ann can... well, you know?
20:11:21 <ihope> Take that to her advantage, I guess.
20:11:25 <SimonRC> ah, ok
20:12:15 <ihope> Well, no, that won't work, will it?
20:12:46 <ihope> Okay. Scratch those two lines.
20:12:54 <ihope> I'll do a bit of brainstormies.
20:13:30 <ihope> (Of course, you have to be careful when brainstorming, otherwise you could end up seriously injured...)
20:14:20 * SimonRC wanders where the heck this is going
20:14:28 <SimonRC> *wonders
20:18:33 <ihope> Okay. /me sums up
20:19:32 <ihope> There's a guy named Jake who has a wife named Ann and two sons and a dog and a cat. He's walking his dog and the dog breaks free of his leash.
20:20:28 <ihope> Hmm...
20:20:48 <ihope> There's a guy named Bill with a dad named Jake and a mom named Ann and a brother and a dog and a cat.
20:20:56 <ihope> No, no.
20:21:30 <ihope> Hmm, maybe I'll just link a different version of this story.
20:21:52 <SimonRC> ?
20:23:42 <ihope> Here we go.
20:23:53 <ihope> It's big enough to fill five pages of forumy stuff.
20:23:54 <ihope> http://www.laptoplogic.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4356&mode=threaded
20:25:49 <ihope> It'll take a while to read. I'm going out for a walk... maybe then you'll be at the end ;-)
20:35:16 <SimonRC> hmm
20:36:25 <SimonRC> ah, wait, there are more pages
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20:56:29 * SimonRC groans
20:56:48 <SimonRC> edwinb: I think you have a competitor.
20:57:08 <edwinb> in what sense?
20:57:22 <SimonRC> That has to be the most rambling build-up to a bad pun that I have ever heard.
20:57:36 <SimonRC> pages and pages of text
20:57:51 <SimonRC> (see URL)
20:58:24 <edwinb> will it work if I just skip to the end?
20:58:36 <SimonRC> no
20:59:04 <edwinb> feh. I'll wait until I'm bored enough then.
20:59:45 <SimonRC> ihope: BTW, it doesn't work in British English, as the first vowel of the fourth word of the punchline is a long vowel, and so the fourth word doesn't rhyme with what it's supposed to.
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21:15:13 <jix> GregorR: you stopped using tor?
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21:16:01 <GregorR-L> jix: Yeah, more trouble than it's worth.
21:16:18 <jix> yeah...
21:19:00 <SimonRC> GregorR-L: get colo and ssh into it
21:19:13 <jix> colo?
21:19:32 <GregorR-L> Into what?
21:20:30 <SimonRC> The idea is that you get a 1U linux machine, put it in colocation, and use ssh to get to it.
21:20:47 <SimonRC> You actually *do* much of your stuff there.
21:20:54 <GregorR-L> Ah, yes.
21:21:02 <GregorR-L> Not expensive at all.
21:21:03 <SimonRC> thus, your building can;t spy on your internet connection
21:21:11 <SimonRC> *cough*
21:21:20 <SimonRC> you need som other people
21:21:27 <SimonRC> then you share
21:22:09 <SimonRC> one advantage is you get to use the extreme leetness of screen.
21:22:27 <GregorR-L> I'd be using VNC, just to piss you off.
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22:07:32 <ihope> I do not say good the English.
22:08:25 <GregorR-L> I does not speak well with the grammars.
22:09:03 <ihope> It would fill the natural one above.
22:11:32 <ihope> , this task was indistinct stood out!
22:13:04 <GregorR-L> You win.
22:15:08 * calamari just totally screwed his site :(   
22:15:23 <calamari> untarred something that wasn't tared properly.. had a bunch of directories in it and it overwrote a bunch of crap
22:15:24 <ihope> Ow.
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22:32:15 <SimonRC> ihope: BTW, it doesn't work in British English, as the first vowel of the fourth word of the punchline is a long vowel, and so the fourth word doesn't rhyme with what it's supposed to.
22:32:50 <ihope> Ah.
22:33:21 <ihope> Tell them to pronounce "never" the same way.
22:45:00 <basti_> hmmmm
22:45:06 <basti_> i don't get that pun.
22:45:56 <basti_> but I'm not a native speaker too
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23:11:22 <calamari> whew.. that sucked
23:11:42 <calamari> lost some history and a couple edits but I think I got everything mostly back
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