< 1146182880 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1146187593 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1146200003 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1146206653 0 :jix!i=jix@L636a.l.strato-dslnet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1146208005 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Bitte waehlen Sie eine Beerdigungnachricht" < 1146211199 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1146211200 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1146215672 0 :kipple!n=kipple@250.80-202-100.nextgentel.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1146233883 0 :wer_hat_meinen_n!i=jix@L636a.l.strato-dslnet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1146233915 0 :wer_hat_meinen_n!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :jix < 1146238378 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1146238379 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1146240268 0 :nooga!i=nooga@ip-50.net-41.rev.inter-c.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1146240274 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oi < 1146241538 0 :GregorR-W!n=chatzill@jffwprtest.jf.intel.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1146244685 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip68-231-173-86.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1146244708 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1146244721 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'ello squiddy < 1146244897 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, /proc/kcore seems to be unusable < 1146245546 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1146245702 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is appreciating Shelly the Republican.
< 1146245703 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... It is realy quite disgusting what some Democrats will do to discredit their opposition. < 1146245772 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You say, as if Republicans don't do exactly the same. < 1146245780 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1146245786 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has nothing to do with the party affiliation, people (particularly politicians) are scum. < 1146245809 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose so < 1146245855 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I am being a bit hasty in a ssuming that Shelly is a Republican-discreditation strawman set up by Democrats. < 1146245993 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION turns down his "Troll" dial a bit.
< 1146246195 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has a set of conspiracy theories that any detestible thing any group appears to do is actually a fake set up by their opposition to make repel people from them.
< 1146246200 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see: the sudden end of F4J, implausibly violent anti-animal experimentation protestors, many cases of apparent "terrorism". < 1146246216 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BLAH < 1146246226 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1146246844 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1146246845 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1146247145 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION finds out about the amazing way that God designed (as an example) the banana to be perfect to be eaten by humans.
< 1146247148 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1146247167 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FSTDT? < 1146247198 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Also that Einstein (a Jew) believed in God? < 1146247203 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5479410612081345878 < 1146247231 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the interests of being more open-minded, I am watching it all, or listening, at least. < 1146247511 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has never heard the "God of the gaps" idea demonstrated so well.
< 1146248369 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the most convincing argument for the existance of God they have is an irritatingly-ignorant Atheist. < 1146248382 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Naturally. < 1146248390 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spin = teh fun < 1146248408 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ideas like scientific proof escaped her lips. < 1146248424 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah < 1146248435 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf r u talking about ;p? < 1146248449 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: see above URL. < 1146248642 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually very interesting stuff, and handy if you are worried about confrontation-and-conversion-to-whatever-branch-of-Chrisitianity. < 1146248918 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1146248925 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :werid accent < 1146248932 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :painTYR < 1146248981 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1146249024 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :theese arguments are idiotic < 1146249117 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of them, ALL! can be explained by evolution theory < 1146249131 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first car, was awkward < 1146249188 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first human was not so perfect < 1146249230 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do humans need sleep? < 1146249243 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because of inefficiencies in the brain. < 1146249255 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, is God cruel, or just stupid? < 1146249292 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why computers need defrag ;d < 1146249314 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because of inefficiencies in the filesystem if you're not using ext3 ;) < 1146249323 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's right < 1146249338 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's actually a very good metaphore. < 1146249419 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they were ext3 ppl < 1146249432 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BAHAHAHAHAHA < 1146249459 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i heard about man who was bound to remember EVERYTHING he saw < 1146249464 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immediately < 1146249476 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's called autism, nooga. < 1146249496 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very aggresive autism in his case < 1146249508 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he was normal if you saw him < 1146249524 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he talked, walked and everything < 1146249554 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it was terrible to him to remember all those things < 1146249930 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i'm an agnostic < 1146249945 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thumbs-ups
< 1146250069 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eye was developed from very basic and simple light receptors < 1146250086 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :..of simple underwater creatures < 1146250095 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same as digital camera < 1146250099 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love how everybody uses the eye as an example, because it was in On the Origin of Species. < 1146250117 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WITH the counterargument, mind you. < 1146250129 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im afraid < 1146250136 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't understand ;d < 1146250150 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean "On the Origin of Species"? < 1146250155 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1146250165 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darwin's book ... < 1146250174 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1146250210 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahay < 1146250427 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, a human is just another object < 1146250454 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like tree or even soda can < 1146250468 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More like a tree :P < 1146250473 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :killing is just disabling that object < 1146250491 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like disabling your cell phone < 1146250516 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You appear to be forming an anti-scientific-materialist argument here. < 1146250542 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but beings are just machines < 1146250547 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very complex ones < 1146250565 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still machines, some are concious < 1146250709 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and dead human is jus like crashed car, computer etc. but 'killing' cars or computers is less emotional process than killing a human < 1146250787 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i right? < 1146250853 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know that the concepts are wrong, but I hope you're not making the implications that I think you're making. < 1146250941 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only psychopatic criminals can apply this to their ethical codex < 1146251083 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that crying for help when someone wants to crush your head with axe is a reflex, jus like taking back your hand when touched something hot < 1146251212 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pain and fear are just to preserve beings (machines) from autodestruction < 1146251214 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess < 1146251275 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instinctive emotions such as fear and pain have evolved from the need for self-preservation, which is implicit in the need to reproduce. < 1146251285 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's right < 1146251336 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so disabling a being is related with causing pain and fear < 1146251452 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you're not psychopatic killer, you will know that killing is bad, because you are so complex to imagine that you are the victim and it is extremely unpleasant and that if you're dead you can't have any descendants < 1146251482 0 :ChanServ!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ACK! SIGSEGV! < 1146251491 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOOOOOOOOES < 1146251530 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that natural knowledge that killing is bad is good for species < 1146251548 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reminds me of a scene from Family Guy (?). This guy in prison was going to stab Peter, but Peter wasn't there so he goes "I wonder what this is like ..." and stabs himself. "OW! Is that what that feels like? I deserve to be in here." < 1146251574 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;] < 1146251586 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it must have been funny < 1146251625 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION considers the unmaintainable buggy spagghetti code consisting entirely of patches that is our DNA, and decides God didn't do a very good design job.
< 1146251628 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1146251655 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Telomeres >_> < 1146251664 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Worst solution to a bad copying mechanism ever. < 1146251670 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, try to write such long brainfuck program < 1146251676 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Every time I copy a chunk of code, I lose some at the ends." "So just put garbage at the ends!" < 1146251690 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darwin's stuff is rather out-of-date, his examples are often bad ones, and his theory is by modern standards over-simplified. < 1146251695 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1146251725 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Part of why using the eye from his book is dumb ;) < 1146251750 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darwin is like Copernicus. He was wrong in many ways, but his importance was due to what he threw away, rather than what he kept. < 1146251762 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heheh w rzeczy samej < 1146251773 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :=> indeed < 1146251786 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :excuse me, wrong language =.= < 1146251925 0 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. JOIN :#esoteric < 1146251925 0 :irc.freenode.net!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :+o ChanServ < 1146251945 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ChanServ's back < 1146251967 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ChanServ is back OR back of ChanServ? < 1146251998 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the back of ChanServ" wouldn't be a valid, complete sentence. < 1146252007 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, they *did* have a point that (more convincing) proof of God's existance could be "out there". < 1146252036 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ChanServ wrocil LUB plecy ChanServa < 1146252061 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION puts a babelfish in his ear.
< 1146252162 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes back to coding his compiler by hand
< 1146252174 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1146252218 0 :kipple!n=kipple@250.80-202-100.nextgentel.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1146252273 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: which compiler, and how else would one do it? < 1146252312 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: With YACC? < 1146252454 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Real Languages have parser combinators libraries. ;-) < 1146252522 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm using a recursive parser < 1146252536 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1146252647 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blah < 1146252667 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my english is soooooooooo damn simple < 1146252852 0 :kate`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're after a parser for C, i'd recommend sid < 1146252873 0 :kate`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is LL, but can tranform sane LR grammars behind the scenes for you < 1146252889 0 :kate`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so you get the readability of LR, and the effeciency of LL) < 1146252891 0 :kate`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, hello < 1146252894 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's fun < 1146252903 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello hello < 1146252925 0 :kate`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what language was that? < 1146252935 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1146252947 0 :kate`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ChanServ wrocil LUB plecy ChanServa < 1146252953 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Polish < 1146252964 0 :kate`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, dzien dobry < 1146252967 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1146252973 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mi tez jest milo < 1146252977 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;-) < 1146252982 0 :kate`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION grins
< 1146252992 0 :kate`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, i don't speak polish at all, just what's similar to czech < 1146253008 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1146253028 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's cool < 1146253053 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zahlastana fifulka means a magical flute? < 1146253054 0 :kate`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afk, vitally important meeting < 1146253091 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1146253153 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys: am I right that we have a woman on board? x.X < 1146253304 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not ;) < 1146253350 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe kate is a male name in czekh < 1146253370 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe not... < 1146253415 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not ;d < 1146253538 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you call a person from the Czech republic, by the way? czechish or czechian or something else? < 1146253580 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1146253676 0 :sekhmet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Czech, I believe. < 1146253681 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"czech" and "czeszka" mean male and female from Czech republic, "czesi" means people from there, "Czeski" means a czech language and "czeski" a thing from czech republic ... in Polish < 1146253688 0 :sekhmet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or not < 1146253694 0 :sekhmet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION re-lurks for another eight months or so
< 1146253720 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make it more funny "czaszka" means a skull < 1146253838 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sekhmet: you were right. (according to dictionary.com) < 1146253845 0 :sekhmet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woo! victory! < 1146253861 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was some quick 8 months < 1146253862 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've got same dilema with Sweden < 1146253867 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :swede? < 1146253871 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1146253871 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :swedish? < 1146253872 0 :sekhmet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was actually going to look it up there, but then decided that it probably wouldn't be there < 1146253899 0 :sekhmet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kipple: You didn't notice, but the earth suddenly sped away and came back at near lightspeed, leaving me behind < 1146253902 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a swedish person is called a swede < 1146253917 0 :sekhmet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a wonder everyone wasn't liquefied in the process < 1146253978 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe. it appears a polish person is called a pole :) < 1146253991 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah south pole ;p < 1146254003 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can polish your silver spoons < 1146254379 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g2g < 1146254382 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1146254434 0 :sekhmet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tend to have a lot of nervous energy, so I fidget and tap my foot etc... < 1146254459 0 :sekhmet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... was having dinner with a few friends, one of whom is Polish, and it turns out I had kind of been tapping his shin under the table for awhile < 1146254473 0 :sekhmet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And when I realized it I said something about "oh, sorry, I thought I was kicking the pole" < 1146254483 0 :sekhmet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone had a good chuckle about that, and it took me a few minutes to figure out why < 1146254505 0 :sekhmet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(fin) < 1146255447 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1146256147 0 :ihope!n=ihope@c-67-172-99-160.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1146256154 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : /join #esoteric < 1146256163 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-S < 1146256164 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/joine #esoteric < 1146256166 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:-D < 1146256174 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, oops. < 1146256177 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well. < 1146256608 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1146262059 0 :kate`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kipple, actually i'm english :) < 1146262090 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. my mistake :) < 1146262124 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woah, do I smell new person? < 1146262149 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ban!!! < 1146262226 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A russian person is called a Rus. < 1146262235 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence the name of the russian toy store, ToysRUs < 1146262445 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um. < 1146262483 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you call a german person? < 1146262488 0 :kate`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :germain < 1146262490 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a german < 1146262497 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a germ? < 1146262506 0 :kate`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only if wallmart sells walls for martians < 1146262510 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not to his face < 1146262516 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, umm, there's a purportedly female person in #esoteric :P < 1146262522 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This might be a first. < 1146262542 0 :kate`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there won't be for long, if it's a point of contention < 1146262547 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's not. < 1146262551 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was one female person here that thought this was about esoteric and not esoteric programming.. < 1146262554 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just surprised. < 1146262555 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1146262559 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We've looked in to it in the past. < 1146262562 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right. < 1146262571 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahahah, she asked about psychic connections and such XD < 1146262578 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot about that. < 1146262600 0 :kate`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :programing languages and other interests are mutually exclusive? < 1146262607 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, hi kate`! < 1146262615 0 :kate`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :greetings :) < 1146262628 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would make EgoBot say hi but it's down >_> < 1146262639 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'll just give the command and we can imagine it said something: < 1146262645 0 :kate`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have to ask - what's it written in? < 1146262650 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_o)O!"Hi kate`!"(_o)o.?]} < 1146262653 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EgoBot is written in C++ < 1146262658 0 :kate`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pfft :p < 1146262682 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EgoBot is written in PERSONAL_PREFERENCE({"C", "C++", "Perl", "Python", "Ruby"}); < 1146262701 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thou shalt not code c++ ;) < 1146262713 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: I'm learning to love D in C++'s stead :P < 1146262718 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: Slowly but surely. < 1146262735 0 :kate`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a funge would suit an irc bot well, i suspect < 1146262742 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :write it in subskin! < 1146262742 0 :kate`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :being essentially a large switch-case < 1146262759 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kate`: EgoBot runs esoteric language interpreters :P < 1146262780 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't really be done from *funge unless you want to write the interpreter in *funge 8-X < 1146262782 0 :kate`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see :) < 1146262819 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gn8 everyone < 1146262834 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm afk for 4 days... < 1146262857 0 :kate`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'nacht < 1146262879 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sleep well < 1146262962 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Bitte waehlen Sie eine Beerdigungnachricht" < 1146262969 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, gregor, what's wrong with the bot? < 1146262989 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kipple: My home network sucks. < 1146262992 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The bot works fine :P < 1146262999 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just I can't turn it back on from here. < 1146263024 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to write a bot that can turn on egobot when it goes down... < 1146263043 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kipple: The backdoor into my system went down too :P < 1146263182 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence why I'm on as GregorR-W from work, btw. < 1146263256 0 :kate`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which bit of intel do you work for? < 1146263291 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kate`: IT, I maintain an internal collection of open source software across different UNIXen to be used internally. < 1146263294 0 :kate`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the only things of theirs i really enjoyed were the i960 and the SA110 (if i have that right - that recent strongarm) < 1146263299 0 :kate`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1146263305 0 :kate`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no bunnysuit, then < 1146263310 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope :P < 1146263313 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a hardware guy. < 1146263328 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Intel graphics cards are surprisingly decent, all things considered. < 1146263373 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have graphics cards? thought they only did integrated graphics < 1146263379 0 :kate`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm afraid i wouldn't know - i desperatley avoid anything vaguley graphical < 1146263401 0 :kate`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(partially since i work for a digital signage company) < 1146263405 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kipple: Erm, yeah, the integrated graphics [cards] ;) < 1146263418 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok :) < 1146263432 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kate`: Digital signage company? < 1146263461 0 :kate`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :advertising; those dreadful plasma and lcd screens we wish weren't in our fields of vision < 1146263480 0 :kate`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i am not in sales, you might be able to tell) < 1146263485 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, heh < 1146263544 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So have you ever got a Piet interpreter outputting debugging info on a digital advert sign? ^^ < 1146263633 0 :kate`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION grins
< 1146263818 0 :kate`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think using R for demographic analaysis is about as exciting as that company gets < 1146263843 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :R? < 1146263850 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kate`: So what do you do there? < 1146263871 0 :kate`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kipple, an gpl'd clone of S+ < 1146263884 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kipple: Language for statistical analyses IIRC < 1146263930 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erk ... got an emergency, AFK < 1146263933 0 :kate`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-W, i spend my time waiting to leave, mostly. that time is filled with deleting our previous week's work, and architecting a new design for each specification change on my boss's whim < 1146263940 0 :kate`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1146263947 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like fun ;) < 1146263984 0 :kate`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite < 1146263996 0 :kate`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just recieved a cheque for my work in december... < 1146264054 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch. that sucks < 1146264152 0 :kate`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't do any favours for the typical image of advertisers < 1146264168 0 :kate`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :suffice to say, they care more about money than quality or happyness < 1146264288 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*final fantasy victory music* < 1146264313 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :emergency averted? < 1146264318 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1146264323 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not averted :P < 1146264325 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But solved. < 1146264481 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the regex /(C(++)?|Perl|Python|Ruby)/ will match the language EgoBot is written in? < 1146264487 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, wait. < 1146264502 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/(C(\+\+)?|Perl|Python|Ruby)/, maybe. < 1146264524 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes :P < 1146264880 0 :ihope_!n=ihope@c-67-172-99-160.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1146264960 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1146264972 0 :ihope_!n=ihope@c-67-172-99-160.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1146265856 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_> < 1146265862 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stable connection, ihope? < 1146265901 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1146265914 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take that as a yes... :) < 1146265966 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1146266937 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grrf < 1146266952 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This tool is so ridiculously simple, it'll compile on just about any C compiler that complies to any sort of standard. < 1146266959 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But does it compile on HP-UX? < 1146266960 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course not. < 1146267225 0 :kate`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you using HP-UX's ANSI C compiler product, or the purposefully not full compiler that is included just for compiling the kernel? < 1146267505 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kate`: Not when I can avoid it ^^ < 1146267558 0 :kate`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't follow < 1146267564 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using GCC when possible, but it always tries with its ANSI C first "just in case it works" < 1146267598 0 :kate`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you're sure that's the real compiler product, not the free limited one? < 1146267623 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You do realize that the people who set up the HP-UX system used by Intel aren't idiots? :) < 1146267637 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*systems, plural < 1146267647 0 :kate`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it dosen't hurt to check :) < 1146267651 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1146267658 0 :calamari!n=Kid@cb03.cs.arizona.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1146267673 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'ello squiddy. < 1146267756 0 :kate`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-W, if you really want to find out what's going on with that program, try it under TenDRA - which'll give you references to whichever paragraph of whichever ISO states that its errors are errors, and why < 1146267782 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kate`: I don't really care, if I had it my way we wouldn't support HP-UX at all ^^ < 1146267791 0 :kate`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pfft :p < 1146267813 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION huggles the GNU/Linux systems.
< 1146267835 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Gregor < 1146267853 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as he currently types in #freebsd) < 1146267858 0 :kate`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that i wish to accidentally start the "my os is bigger than your os" discussion, but personally i much prefer hp-ux to linux < 1146267889 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kate`: your os is bigger than my os.. only 512 bytes :( < 1146267898 0 :kate`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1146267908 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm also an OSS zealot :) < 1146267933 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I released bos under the gpl < 1146267952 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: I was referring to HP-UX vs GNU/Linux < 1146267962 0 :kate`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zealotry makes you exclude yourself from a lot of fun things, imo < 1146267972 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: is it only 512 bytes? < 1146267982 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kipple: yes < 1146267987 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not bad :) < 1146267989 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it fits in the boot sector < 1146267991 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun things I want nothing to do with, because they're proprietary things X-P (Circular logic rocks by the way) < 1146267994 0 :kate`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari, it fits into the ... right :) < 1146268040 0 :kate`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-W, that sounds rather dull to me < 1146268075 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kate`: ask him which Linux distro he uses ;) < 1146268094 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry squiddy, I switched. < 1146268101 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you got ridof Mandriva? < 1146268111 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah - they've been doing some political things I don't like. < 1146268118 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you using now < 1146268125 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The distro from a pragmatic standpoint is solid, but they keep getting more commercial :'( < 1146268132 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using Debian. < 1146268135 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1146268137 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not Ubuntu < 1146268141 0 :kate`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION smiles
< 1146268147 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because Ubuntu is just Debian + no useful fixes. < 1146268161 0 :kate`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tend to use openbsd or solaris for most things < 1146268164 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ubuntu is the new Debian < 1146268170 0 :kate`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(most things being servers and such) < 1146268172 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ubuntu is the lame Debian. < 1146268186 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They tried to make it easier, but didn't even improve the installer, come on. < 1146268194 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it installs fine < 1146268196 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the #1 problem with Debian and they hardly touched it. < 1146268205 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It installs fine: With a text-based installer that's not easy for newbs. < 1146268212 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :easy enough for me < 1146268214 0 :kate`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dislike the idea that all an OS is, is the package system and installation mechanism < 1146268225 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kate`: but thats the truth of it < 1146268241 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :distros are all alike, basically < 1146268243 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNU/Linux often makes it hard/impossible to draw the line between "OS" and "user software" < 1146268254 0 :kate`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari, that's why i said OS, not linux distribution < 1146268259 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kate`: oic < 1146268281 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is just the kernel the OS? libc? The c compiler? Other low level libraries? The shell? X11? Gnome or KDE? < 1146268287 0 :kate`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :frankly i couldn't care less what package system is in place, as long as it install packages and dosen't get in my way < 1146268288 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kate`: bos has no packaging system, is it still an OS? :) < 1146268298 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kate`: LFS ^^ < 1146268300 0 :kate`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari :) < 1146268376 0 :kate`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-W, you're still thinking in terms of grouping software that exists elsewhere together - that dosen't create a new thing, it's just a collection of old things < 1146268400 0 :kate`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, KDE is a clone of old concepts, for example < 1146268414 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure where your train of logic is leading. < 1146268416 0 :kate`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there're no new conceptual inventions there < 1146268428 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kate`: programs are just a grouping of old opcodes.. so no softweare is new? < 1146268449 0 :kate`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari, no more so than new books being groupings of old words < 1146268457 0 :kate`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari, this is the straw man argument, right? < 1146268471 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kate`: no, I was trying to expose your logical fallacy < 1146268481 0 :kate`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari, feel free :) < 1146268489 0 :kate`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-W, it's leading to some sort of research, instead of cloning pre-existing ideas into new implementations < 1146268502 0 :kate`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-W, plan9 is a decent example < 1146268532 0 :kate`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari, i'm talking about designs, not implemenations - kde is a new implementation of old designs. i'm after new designs < 1146268550 0 :kate`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari, the same applies to every other level in the system < 1146268550 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still not seeing what point you're trying to prove >_> < 1146268551 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kate`: sometimes the old design is fine.. why does there need to be a new one? < 1146268563 0 :kate`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari, sometimes it is, indeed < 1146268586 0 :kate`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari, did you have anything in mind there? < 1146268601 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo, os's could improve by becoming smaller and faster.. not by adding more features and becoming more bloated < 1146268630 0 :kate`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-W, that none of these really furthers our ideas; they're endless refinements and reimplementations of the same thing < 1146268638 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recently installed networking tools in MS-DOS because it boots in 1 second < 1146268651 0 :kate`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari, i am not suggesting to add features to an existing system < 1146268658 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than waiting minutes for linux to load up < 1146268669 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that refinements, reimplementations, re* can actually create new things. It doesn't have to be entirely new from the ground up to be new. < 1146268670 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(old 486 laptop) < 1146268673 0 :kate`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for the record, i can't stand feature-bloat) < 1146268691 0 :kate`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-W, in rare cases, i agree < 1146268701 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw kate`, how did you find the chan? < 1146268722 0 :kate`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-W, and it can be new within a given domain, too - that interests me very much (TenDRA falls into that category) < 1146268736 0 :kate`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari, lament mentioned it in #postgresql < 1146268791 0 :kate`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari, the sort of thing i'm talking about (which jon bentley calls "Conceptual blockbusting") is something like, say - the filesystem: why does that exist? files are a concept we could do without < 1146268797 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"And then, Gregor left work for home."