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02:54:46 <calamari> hi
02:55:36 <ihope> Ello.
02:55:55 <calamari> hi i|
02:57:14 <ihope> :-)
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08:01:29 <calamari> bbl
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16:56:19 <SimonRC> hi
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17:32:06 <SimonRC> hi
17:32:47 <GregorR-W> 'lo
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18:24:51 <calamari> hi
18:25:33 <calamari> seems that the wiki just went down
18:26:39 <calamari> working again..
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18:44:50 <calamari> φ♫∃φ∅♫Ω
18:45:35 <GregorR-W> Oh kay.
18:45:47 <GregorR-W> Unicode rawx?
18:46:01 <calamari> perhaps Γ is better as the last char
18:48:41 <jix> whats that?
18:49:14 <calamari> GregorR
18:50:09 <GregorR-W> ?
18:50:31 <GregorR-W> Noooooooooot seeing it :P
18:50:43 <calamari> is it really a big deal? :)
18:51:06 <GregorR-W> Phi eighth-notes backwards-E phi theta eighth-notes ohms?
18:51:13 <calamari> jix: btw, did you see MinISCule?
18:51:21 <jix> calamari: no
18:51:45 <calamari> jix: http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/MinISCule
18:52:04 <calamari> jix: same idea as Subskin (OISC variant), but in assembly
18:52:16 <jix> i saw something like this with a different name
18:52:23 <calamari> Barely
18:52:46 <calamari> but it was 59 bytes instead of 36
18:54:06 <GregorR-W> Why separated by \r >_O
18:55:11 <calamari> GregorR: because MS-DOS Enter = \r
18:55:17 <jix> not \r \n ?
18:55:34 <calamari> jix: \r\n is newline, but an Enter key press is just \r
18:55:37 <GregorR-W> Ah
18:55:42 <jix> ah
18:55:56 <GregorR-W> Just like Mac :P
18:56:02 <GregorR-W> (OS<=9)
18:56:43 <calamari> I had to choose some character, why not that one :)
18:57:52 <calamari> so now I'd like to see an interpreter in the 20's
18:57:58 <GregorR-W> Heh
18:58:22 <GregorR-W> Seems like if you didn't limit yourself to ASCII input, you could reduce a bit of overhead there.
18:58:46 <calamari> GregorR: yeah, but requiring binary input seems like cheating
18:59:12 <GregorR-W> If you say so *shrugs*
18:59:23 <GregorR-W> I guess that'd be tough to input in DOS ;)
18:59:37 <calamari> not really
18:59:46 <calamari> stdin handles it fine
19:00:21 <calamari> and its even easy by keyboard, since dos gives the Alt-keypad ability
19:01:28 <GregorR-W> Ah
19:03:03 <calamari> by yeah, I could cut 2 chars that way, possibly 4 if I can get the flags to cooperate
19:03:07 <calamari> by->but
19:04:06 <calamari> and I'd cut 4 more if I cut out exiting and i/o
19:04:31 <calamari> so 30 or possibly 28
19:05:09 <jix> where do i get debug?
19:05:09 <GregorR-W> Who needs to clean up gracefully? ^^
19:07:42 <calamari> jix: I think there may be a freedos version of it
19:08:05 <calamari> jix: I just used the MS-DOS one
19:08:22 <jix> calamari: well i'd have to sue dosbox
19:08:24 <jix> *use
19:08:51 <calamari> yeah, or dosemu, qemu, bochs
19:09:36 <jix> setting up bochs is painfull
19:09:43 <GregorR-W> dosbox >> any of those options in most cases
19:09:57 <jix> i have no way to exchange any files between host and guest os that works
19:09:59 <GregorR-W> Merely because dosbox is ridiculously easy to use :P
19:10:06 <calamari> GregorR: dosbox is slow
19:10:14 <jix> calamari: i know but it works
19:10:21 <GregorR-W> calamari: That's a big concern with this interpreter, right? :P
19:10:27 <calamari> GregorR: lol
19:10:50 <calamari> I've tested Barely under dosemu and qemu
19:12:09 <calamari> and freedos
19:12:54 <calamari> since they make the same assumptions, MinISCule should work too
19:13:06 <jix> is dosemu a complete emulator?
19:13:17 <GregorR-W> No
19:13:25 <GregorR-W> Dosemu isn't an emulator at all, despite the name.
19:13:29 <calamari> I think dosemu is more like wine
19:13:35 <GregorR-W> Yeah.
19:13:42 <jix> nah can't use it no x86 here
19:13:45 <GregorR-W> The Windows Emulator that's not an emulator :)
19:13:57 <calamari> then I recommend qemu
19:14:12 <jix> calamari: i have no way to exchange files between it and osx
19:14:33 <calamari> jix: qemu has networking and also samba
19:14:34 <GregorR-W> mkisofs?
19:14:40 <jix> calamari: doesn't work here
19:14:41 <GregorR-W> Oh yeah, or just that :)
19:14:51 <jix> and do i have samba under dos?
19:15:04 <calamari> jix: I just used scp under dos
19:16:39 <calamari> but, qemu can use normal partitions, and also loop, floppies, etc
19:17:07 <calamari> of course you don't have a floppy drive either
19:17:58 <jix> yeah and my only HD is HFS+ formatted
19:18:14 <calamari> I should create a qemu disk image for this
19:18:26 <jix> yeah but i don't think i can mount those
19:18:35 <calamari> why not? its just a file
19:18:49 <jix> hmm maybe i selected compressed image or something like that
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19:29:45 <calamari> blah was in the middle of it and my home connection cut out yet again
19:30:07 <calamari> dialup is more reliable than that crappy cable connection
19:31:15 <GregorR-W> lol
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19:52:48 <calamari> almost done
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20:34:30 <calamari> ...
20:35:01 <calamari> disconnected again, lovely
20:35:11 <calamari> just about an hjour apart, too
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20:50:52 <nooga> hiho
20:51:08 <nooga> `(a {|w..} b :- a' `f :- f) :- (q' :- `f {\##z} f `f)
20:52:20 <calamari> hi nooga
20:52:29 <calamari> what is that prog
20:52:31 <nooga> looks esoteric huh? :D
20:52:35 <calamari> regex?
20:52:41 <nooga> nope ;d
20:52:45 <nooga> my new language
20:52:52 <nooga> UNCOOL
20:52:54 <calamari> is that a prog or the lang?
20:53:08 <nooga> prog in the lang
20:53:11 <calamari> ok
20:53:28 <calamari> been hoping for a contestant.. need to see something smaller than 36 bytes :)
20:53:30 <nooga> but the problem is that i don't have any idea how it works ;d
20:53:33 <calamari> haha
20:53:50 <calamari> I once wrote a lang that I didn't know how to write programs for
20:54:03 <nooga> but im working on it...
20:54:10 <calamari> (bubble)
20:54:46 <nooga> no spec :(
20:55:36 <calamari> blah, bad urlk
20:56:16 <calamari> fixed : http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Bubble#External_resource
20:57:15 <nooga> :-D
20:57:19 <nooga> sick
20:58:05 <calamari> but it uses human sentences, can't be that hard ;)
20:58:10 <calamari> english
21:00:17 <nooga> ({*|<>} :- `K ?{K}2 :- !)
21:00:46 <nooga> DAMN!... NICE
21:01:27 <nooga> it should multiply a number from input by 2 and then print it
21:02:56 <calamari> is there a working interpreter
21:03:22 <nooga> hmmm... only parser ATM
21:03:50 <calamari> ?{ } reads a var ?
21:04:00 <nooga> ?
21:04:07 <calamari> trying to understand that prog
21:04:19 <nooga> {} is operator ;)
21:04:39 <calamari> what is :-
21:05:05 <nooga> you can define custom ones, and inside {} you put an expression in operator language (language in language)
21:05:14 <nooga> assignment
21:05:53 <calamari> `K = input into K ?
21:06:18 <nooga> nope
21:06:21 <calamari> hahaha
21:06:30 <calamari> sounds like I need to wait for the writeup
21:06:38 <nooga> mhm :>
21:06:43 <nooga> w8 a sec
21:08:05 <nooga> K = new_operator("multiply left argument by right argument"); output = input K 2;
21:08:53 <nooga> unesoterized ;0
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21:14:13 <nooga> calamari?
21:15:26 <calamari> well, at least I realized K was the variable, hehe
21:15:49 <calamari> err no
21:15:52 <calamari> was even wrong on that!
21:15:55 <calamari> yay
21:17:01 <nooga> :D
21:17:10 <nooga> () is cons
21:17:49 <nooga> (?:-! =) cat
21:19:48 * GregorR-W wonders who migge is :P
21:21:56 <nooga> mhm
21:22:10 <nooga> who are you migge?
21:24:34 <GregorR-W> And then, xenophobia started to set in.
21:24:45 <nooga> ;]
21:24:46 <GregorR-W> The esoteric'ers, threatened by this new presence, started amassing vast weapons.
21:25:01 <nooga> giggle giggle snort
21:25:04 <GregorR-W> Unfortunately, because Gregor's connection sucks, EgoBot was not there to help amass weapons :P
21:27:27 <nooga> (1 (2 (3 4))) :- i
21:28:49 <nooga> g2g sic!
21:28:52 <nooga> bye
21:34:05 <migge> i am me, i guess
21:35:08 <GregorR-W> Hello me, I'm Gregor.
21:37:18 <migge> Hello, Gregor.
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21:49:41 <GregorR-W> I need to make a good FYB bot ...
21:49:53 <GregorR-W> That you could just feed programs into and it'd keep the top 10.
21:51:00 <calamari> FYB?
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21:52:31 <GregorR-W> calamari: FYB might have been the first thing I mentioned on this channel ...
21:52:36 <GregorR-W> Brainfuck meets corewars
21:52:38 <calamari> ahh
21:53:05 <calamari> remember, my brain is a queue :)
21:53:17 <calamari> so you just caused me to forget something :(
21:53:30 <GregorR-W> Heh
21:53:46 <GregorR-W> calamari: My middle name is Kenneth.
21:53:50 <GregorR-W> There, you forgot something else.
21:54:03 <calamari> what is my middle name?
21:54:12 <GregorR-W> lol
21:57:26 <calamari> Jeffry lol Johnston why isn't it capitalized?
21:58:30 <GregorR-W> It's ... Dutch.
21:58:35 <calamari> this fat32 mount is driving me crazy
21:58:50 <calamari> I write files to it, umount, and then qemu doesn't see them
21:58:59 <calamari> I rebooted and the file mysteriously disappeared
21:59:17 <calamari> it's like it is not actually writing them
21:59:34 <calamari> either that or qemu is overwriting the fat
22:01:28 <GregorR-W> Didn't somebody remake my FYB-runner script to produce prettier output? Who was that? jix?
22:10:29 <GregorR-W> Dern, google isn't helping 8-X
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