00:09:29 hehehe 00:11:02 * SimonRC has worked out the definitive difference between scripting languages and "real" programming languages: in scripting languages, a simple string can be like 'foo' or "foo", but "real" languages only accept one of these (usually the former). 00:11:30 usually the altter 00:11:32 latter 00:11:43 erm, *latter 00:11:50 yeah, thanks 00:11:54 bah, real languages doesn't have strings... 00:12:04 counterexample: Smalltalk 00:15:43 Counterexample: C++ 00:27:49 eh? 00:28:41 it's really all to do with how short a short program is. 00:28:47 The quoting rules are just a symptom of that. 00:30:00 Is it bad style for the operator that puts objects into a hash-like object to modify the objects as they are put in? :-) 00:33:08 Is it that hard to write "modify, then add"? 00:33:27 Then again, some people would get annoyed at having to put modify *everywhere*. 00:33:37 -!- wildhalcyon_ has joined. 00:33:52 -!- wildhalcyon_ has changed nick to _wildhalcyon_. 00:34:08 <_wildhalcyon_> Alright!... my system has recovered from a serious error! 00:34:11 <_wildhalcyon_> I love XP 00:34:33 modify (if modify (modify 3 + modify 2) == modify 5 then modify (putStr (modify "Success")) else modify (putStr (modify "Failure"))) 00:35:13 well... 00:35:18 I am writing a roguelike 00:35:36 <_wildhalcyon_> in what language? 00:35:40 ruby 00:35:47 <_wildhalcyon_> oh 00:36:45 while Haskell absolutely rocks on the complicated-datastructure-initialisation front, it sucks on the complicated-datastructure-mutation front. 00:37:18 each object has an ID, knows its position, and has a reference to the map it is on. 00:38:01 each level contains a hash from IDs to objects that it contains, and a grid of tiles, each of which contains a set of IDs of objects that are in it. 00:38:47 the map[pos]=object operator updates all of these except the object's ID 00:39:03 similarly for the map.delete(object) operator 00:44:53 <_wildhalcyon_> that's pretty thorough. Most of it is all pretty basic RL stuff though 00:46:54 yeah 00:47:12 waitamo, all that was in the wrong window 00:47:32 I shall add the relevent pre-comment 00:47:37 Is it bad style for the operator that puts objects into a hash-like object to modify the objects as they are put in? :-) 00:47:44 ^^ there ^^ 00:50:58 -!- wildhalcyon has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 01:16:00 Hmm? Wuh? 01:16:55 Where? 01:18:55 SimonRC: yeah that's bad style 01:19:23 What's the roguelike called? 01:19:41 boring? 01:29:14 waste of time? 01:29:37 doesn't have a name yet 01:31:03 Give it a name! :-P 01:41:45 Um, I'm more than halfway through this song and I didn't notice it was playing? 01:56:44 ye gods! I actually managed to eliminate some rows on tetris level 10 01:57:05 Whee. 02:04:20 bah 02:04:59 Is it a bad sign that my computer has trouble keeping up with the redraw rate of tetris 02:05:11 though I am playing the Gnome version, I suppose 02:06:14 Play hextris, man. 02:06:20 Hextris is teh rawx0rz 02:07:09 * ihope thinks of a way to define "computer of everything" 02:07:59 It's possible to build a Turing machine that computes everything that can be computed, but how can we define whether or not a machine computes something or not? 02:09:37 hmm 02:09:42 ask edwinb 02:09:47 he's on this network 02:09:55 in my timezone, too 02:09:59 don't mention my name 02:10:05 Why not? 02:10:06 He hates you, eh? 02:10:13 What'd you do to 'im? 02:10:16 on second thoughts, maybe do mention my name 02:10:26 Was it ... nasty? Vile? Evil in perverse ways? 02:10:29 Eh, it's bedtime. 02:10:34 on third thouhgts, don't bother him with it 02:12:29 GregorR: hehe I guess I need more than a new video card.. my computer froze up when I ran flightgear, then a minute later killed fgfs (ran out of memory) 02:12:48 * SimonRC installs ghextris 02:13:54 -!- ihope has quit ("The answer to the well-known P=NP problem, eh? Well, I can answer that easily. It's the most simple thing in the world--it do). 02:18:24 * SimonRC <3 the debian menu standards 02:18:39 * GregorR concurs. 02:18:40 it allows me to get my menu items the same everywhere 02:19:02 even ratmenu, the menu designed for ratpoison users 02:19:26 hmm, ghextris has no settings :-S 02:19:54 and it's on 0.9.0 02:21:08 ...so? 02:26:59 well, this version is a bit unpolished... 02:27:29 where do you recommend I get it from/? 02:29:41 hextris has never been polished :P 02:35:45 ghextris doesn't even have a loss notification 02:36:22 -!- kipple has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 02:40:41 hmm, this is quite tricky 02:40:51 I'm only scoring a couple of rows per game 02:41:29 tetris is laaaaaaaame 02:45:10 <_wildhalcyon_> thank goodness this is hextris 02:45:12 <_wildhalcyon_> phew 02:49:47 lol 02:49:58 SimonRC: That's why I told you to play hextris ^^ 02:50:21 indeed 02:50:48 * SimonRC is mildly amused at the idead of an esolanger considering something lame 02:51:30 lots of things are lame 02:54:41 Like spelling "dude" "dood" 02:54:57 And having referencins to AYB in your /quit message. 02:55:01 *references 02:55:08 Worst spelling ever :P 02:55:14 thats not lame at all 02:55:23 <_wildhalcyon_> or typing like you're in a chatroom. 02:55:30 <_wildhalcyon_> AYB? 02:55:36 all your base 02:55:51 -!- bsmntbombdood has left (?). 02:55:51 -!- bsmntbombdood has joined. 02:56:03 like in me /quit message 02:57:45 * SimonRC didn't see a /quit message 02:57:58 The quit message that shows when he quits, not when he /parts :P 02:58:04 whoops 02:58:28 yeah, you use a /part message for that 02:58:39 /part AYBRB2U 02:59:49 yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever 03:01:08 -!- bsmntbombdood has quit ("all your basment are belong to bsmntbombdood"). 03:05:03 -!- bsmntbombdood has joined. 03:05:11 whoops 03:07:18 heh 03:11:12 -!- _coder_ has joined. 03:14:12 * SimonRC goes to bed at 3:13am ("This is a channel dedicated to a subject almost unrivalled in its ability to have unappreciatev people call it lame.") 03:16:23 I never said esolangs were lame 03:22:49 ESOLANGS ARE LAME 03:22:54 UR ALL TEH FAGZ0RZ 03:22:56 ROFLCOPTER 04:28:34 -!- calamari has quit (Connection timed out). 04:51:24 -!- calamari has joined. 04:57:07 <_wildhalcyon_> Hey Calamari 04:57:48 <_wildhalcyon_> I like your new website, but the articles are all missing. I remember reading about ESO OS, and now...? 06:20:08 ahh, is it also missing from the old section? 06:21:30 http://kidsquid.com/old/programs/eso/catseye/catseye.html 06:22:16 you're right tho, I need to finsih transferring all that stuff back over 06:45:26 <_wildhalcyon_> but still, great website 06:45:33 <_wildhalcyon_> and thanks for the former linky 06:49:27 http://z3.ca/~lament/tankers.jpg 06:51:15 <_wildhalcyon_> nice black and white. Where is that? 06:51:17 -!- _coder_ has quit ("Leaving"). 06:51:57 vancouver 06:52:51 <_wildhalcyon_> that's such a beautiful area 06:53:01 yes 06:53:05 i know :D 06:53:20 have you been here? 06:54:49 <_wildhalcyon_> a long time ago, yes. 06:54:54 <_wildhalcyon_> I used to live in Seattle 06:55:00 <_wildhalcyon_> Those were the good old days 06:55:16 <_wildhalcyon_> I haven't been to Vancouver since I was little. Before I could drive a car, at least. 06:55:33 <_wildhalcyon_> I'd love to go again, but every time I'm back in Washington, I've got so much other stuff going on 06:56:27 i still can't drive a car and i'm 21.... 06:56:52 _wildhalcyon_: thanks.. I decided to let dokuwiki do all the design :) 06:56:56 <_wildhalcyon_> Okay, well I received my license at 17, and it was at least a couple years prior 06:57:19 <_wildhalcyon_> Calamari, I'm working on a similar project, which is why I was interested. 06:57:34 <_wildhalcyon_> Well, dokuwiki did an excellent job then 06:57:42 yeah it's a decent wiki 06:57:51 <_wildhalcyon_> I couldn't figure out how to add a comment though 06:57:53 I had to customize on it a little bit tho 06:57:57 oh yeah? 06:58:06 that may be broken.. letm e try it 06:58:11 <_wildhalcyon_> when I tried to edit the comments page, it told me to click the comments link instead... which didn't really go anywhere 06:59:02 hmm, seems to work here, except that the page is locked 06:59:22 I clicked Comments, then Create this Page (or Edit this page) 06:59:40 -!- nooga has joined. 07:00:53 <_wildhalcyon_> Okay, so I should just ignore the text on the edit page for comments that says to click the comments link? 07:01:01 <_wildhalcyon_> I was just getting confused is all 07:01:08 I must be blind.. I don't see that tgext 07:02:07 <_wildhalcyon_> it shows up when I tried to edit comments:main 07:02:28 ahhh.. that 07:02:35 <_wildhalcyon_> So I suppose I can ignore it hten 07:02:37 <_wildhalcyon_> then* 07:02:52 yeah, that is because a bunch of idiots were editing pages with things like "does this work?" 07:03:05 so I wanted them to use the comments page/playground 07:03:15 <_wildhalcyon_> Oh, well alrighty then 07:03:29 thanks for noticing the problem hehe 07:03:48 <_wildhalcyon_> Well, its just me being a little obtuse and not wanting to risk editing the wrong thing 07:04:02 nah you're fine 07:04:25 I'll try to think of a way to not display that text when editing the comments page 07:04:39 thanks again for mentioning it :) 07:04:42 <_wildhalcyon_> no worries. 07:05:08 where? 07:05:08 <_wildhalcyon_> So I saw on the forum that you're looking at reviving ESO? 07:05:24 I am? :) 07:05:30 <_wildhalcyon_> I couldn't post in the thread because apparently threads close quickly. 07:05:32 <_wildhalcyon_> Oh, wait, its not you 07:05:36 <_wildhalcyon_> Someone else. 07:05:45 I reember posting some time ago when they were talking about eso, with some ideas 07:06:00 <_wildhalcyon_> only early november :-) 07:06:11 yeah, 7 mos ago ;) 07:06:40 I did some work on the original eso's but it never went anywhere because nobody would decide 07:06:54 the problem was that no one was in charge and a comitte wasn't forming 07:07:16 <_wildhalcyon_> Ah, yeah.. that's part of what makes online collaborative projects difficult 07:07:20 the closest I've made to it is bos (bf os) 07:09:09 <_wildhalcyon_> I vaguely remember that. How well did it work? 07:09:39 well it works, but I was cramming things into the 512 byte bootsector, so the environment is rather hostile ;) 07:10:09 <_wildhalcyon_> Hmm, interesting 07:10:27 it used an i/o-based interface to extend bf 07:10:41 <_wildhalcyon_> what do you mean? 07:11:11 for example, bf cannot read/write disk sectors, but if you wrote the correct escape sequence to output, now it can (it is intercepted) 07:11:50 <_wildhalcyon_> Oh, I see. 07:11:52 the default program is a "quine" that reads itself from the floppy 07:12:06 so it cheats, but demonstrates the system 07:12:33 <_wildhalcyon_> That's actually a pretty useful interface. It was something I was looking into developing for CRAWL before it finally left the realm of sanity 07:12:50 that i/o interface has been expanded into PESOIX 07:13:26 <_wildhalcyon_> which, amazingly enough, I just googled to read up upon 07:13:44 it was all out of the original eso ideas.. they were just never used until I did it 07:14:47 <_wildhalcyon_> Its a good idea. I was trying to find a way to add some more powerful program control to Befunge and considered IP- and I/O- abstraction layers 07:15:13 I was working on a pesoix filter, but ran into some major troubles 07:15:40 the idea was that any interp using stdout/in could be automatically extended 07:15:53 <_wildhalcyon_> Right, that's what I liked about it. 07:16:26 however, linux seems to have some major issues with streams (blocking/non blocking, all that) 07:16:53 <_wildhalcyon_> what do you mean by blocking and non-blocking? 07:17:05 Yeah, blame it on the OS :P 07:17:07 well, for example 07:17:25 the interpreter writies something to stdout, but doesn't flush 07:17:41 then, pesoix doesn't know, so it's just waiting around 07:17:51 That's ... not even GNU/Linux-specific ... that's not even UNIX-specific. That's C. 07:17:55 then deadlock, because the interpreter was waiting on a response 07:18:08 GregorR: quit trying to make sense ;) 07:18:21 Then quit blaming the OS I love so very much :P 07:18:35 hahah 07:19:08 * _wildhalcyon_ blames linux for Kevin Federline's career. 07:19:42 _wildhalcyon_: anyhow, the jist of it is that interpreters would have to be redone anyways to include flush commands, if they aren't already there 07:20:15 so its not as automatic as we all wanted.. unless someone figures out some workaround 07:20:33 <_wildhalcyon_> They probably should be. C is funky with that sort of stuff. 07:21:00 If you write(2) to file descriptor 1, the standard output one, instead of using the C library streams, you don't need to flush it. 07:21:23 fizzie: The idea was to use interpreters absolutely unmodified, so what they do isn't in our control. 07:21:32 fizzie: whats the difference between rewriting the interp to do that vs adding a flush 07:21:35 I'm imagining an environment variable controlling whether libc uses blocking I/O ... 07:21:52 GregorR: thanks hehe 07:22:49 * calamari goes back to the BOOTDISK-howto 07:23:09 blah, bad caps on that hehe 07:23:40 Now, really: whether stdout is line-buffered or not has nothing to do with blocking/non-blockingness; the write doesn't block, the output just isn't visible yet. 07:23:54 Erm, yeah, sorry. 07:24:05 Bad terminology. 07:24:12 fizzie: yeah, sorry 07:24:22 its internal buffering 07:24:37 seems liek that wasnt the only problem tho 07:24:47 but it was a major one 07:25:16 ahh here go.. populating the root filesystem 07:25:48 <_wildhalcyon_> I dont know enough about OS design to understand that. 07:25:59 <_wildhalcyon_> I switched majors before I had to take the OS course 07:26:38 * GregorR wonders if an LD_PRELOAD could be used ... 07:27:00 possibly, but it'd be library specific 07:27:29 and would also mean that interpreters couldn't be statically linked 07:27:40 Ooh, that's true :( 07:27:46 Still, fixing badly-written interpreters should be the interpreter-writer's job; the C standard says that only writing a newline or calling fflush() is guaranteed to make output visible. Anyway, you can always setbuf(stdout, 0); before executing the interpreter. 07:28:03 fizzie: Does that survive exec? 07:28:19 I was under the impression that it didn't ... sort of the whole problem. 07:29:50 I don't have any official documentation on that, but it does survive exec here. 07:29:59 O_O 07:30:03 cool 07:30:21 I ... feel stupid. 07:30:23 Or perhaps not! 07:30:26 good 07:30:30 <_wildhalcyon_> I feel stupider 07:30:35 <_wildhalcyon_> err.. more stupid? 07:30:37 I might have forgotten to recompile my test program. :p 07:30:41 * _wildhalcyon_ isn't sure. 07:31:07 _wildhalcyon_: dumberer 07:31:18 Indeed it does not. Aw. 07:31:39 <_wildhalcyon_> There we go calamari 07:31:47 would be interesting if it survived, where would that information be stored? 07:32:02 Perhaps I should read the context to this discussion. 07:32:05 fizzie: Figured. std* are abstractions created at runtime, so I was wondering. 07:32:28 thats nice, my statically linked copy of busybox seems to have disappeared.. good thing I noticed that before I really needed it 07:33:52 [Whoot 2 Busybox] 07:33:59 <_wildhalcyon_> whats busybox? 07:34:22 a replacement for a lot of the gnu utils that are much smaller 07:34:34 All compiled into one executable. 07:34:56 <_wildhalcyon_> oh, alrighty 07:35:23 <_wildhalcyon_> Oh, for embedded systems huh? 07:35:47 Yeah 07:35:48 <_wildhalcyon_> (according to the website) 07:36:25 <_wildhalcyon_> I love embedded systems. Reading an article on car computers is what made me chose Comp Sci as a major. 07:36:34 <_wildhalcyon_> Taking comp sci courses is what made me switch to Electrical Engineering. 07:36:47 (Of course there's _always_ a workaround: perhaps adding an evil library (to mangle the stdout in an __attribute__((constructor)) routine) to LD_PRELOAD might work, if stdout exists already when those are called.) 07:36:48 Hahahah 07:37:57 GregorR: which menu is devfs under in 2.4? 07:38:15 Sorry, don't know off the top of my head ... 07:38:41 I seem to recall it'd be with the other file systems (ooh!), but that might be the situation in 2.6. 07:38:49 ahh maybe its only 2.6 07:39:02 It's deprecated in 2.6 in favour of udev, anyway. 07:39:09 But I think it already existed in 2.4. 07:40:00 I think I should focus on work now, though. 07:40:04 I tried a 2.2 kernel, but it wouldn't compile.. gcc is probably too new 07:41:51 Go with 0.99 07:42:21 nah, I don't use the minix fs 07:42:36 *snaps* 07:45:28 ahh, it is in the filesystem menu, but I didn't have experimental selected so it was invisble 07:49:05 I love how devfs survived for like a year :-P 07:49:34 yeah, what was wrong with it? worked for me 07:50:04 I really don't know. 07:50:08 Always worked great for me. 07:57:56 <_wildhalcyon_> Yay! I updated the forum with my CRAWL progress! 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 08:01:18 It's just that udev's better. :p 08:01:43 (Earlier 2.6 kernels had some deprecation rational in the kernel help, but none of the ones I have source for seem to include devfs at all.) 08:01:57 s/al/ale/ 08:02:00 and when the cloud bursts thunder in your ear 08:02:13 erm 08:02:15 excuse me 08:02:54 <_wildhalcyon_> that sounds a lil' kinky nooga 08:03:04 <_wildhalcyon_> stay out of those.. erm... iffy channels 08:03:45 it's a quote 08:03:49 calamari: heh, i managed to avoid devfs completely, never used it on any machine :) 08:03:57 from Pink Floyd's song ;p 08:04:15 same question, no answer: http://kerneltrap.org/node/4893 08:04:28 lindi-: hehe 08:04:50 <_wildhalcyon_> nooga: suuuuure it is 08:05:05 <_wildhalcyon_> Actually, knowing pink floyd, that could still be iffy 08:05:09 <_wildhalcyon_> but I like floyd, so you're good 08:05:23 meh 08:05:24 g2g 08:05:27 bye 08:05:39 -!- nooga has quit. 08:06:51 <_wildhalcyon_> actually, its 3am here and I've gotta get up at 8, so I'll catch you folks later 08:06:57 cya wild 08:07:41 <_wildhalcyon_> g'night folks 08:07:48 -!- _wildhalcyon_ has quit ("Chatzilla 0.9.73 [Firefox 1.5.0.4/2006050817]"). 08:12:53 * calamari hacks the kernel source.. 08:16:28 fixed! :) 08:16:48 Hack, hack, hack the boat. 08:16:52 Or is it "row"? 08:17:41 calamari: i'm quite sure i had such a floppy somewhere 08:17:51 -!- sedimin has joined. 08:18:05 hi there 08:18:41 lindi-: It is getting confused because I'm doing the rather odd thing of not having a compressed root filesystem, so it figures it must be on a different disk 08:18:46 I seem to recall also having a combined boot+root disk which did not require a keypress. But it's been a long time since last booting with a floppy. 08:19:18 fizzie: yeah, the code checks for that situation 08:19:30 fizzie: if it is compressed, that is 08:19:43 -!- sedimin has left (?). 08:19:50 calamari: i even found the script i used to generate it, http://rafb.net/paste/results/DaAgyd94.html 08:19:54 anyhow :) commenting out the keypress request did the trick 08:20:35 lindi; "Language: C++"? 08:20:45 didn't bother to change the default :P 08:21:05 test.C:1:2: error: invalid preprocessing directive #! 08:21:05 test.C:5:7: error: invalid suffix "k" on integer constant 08:21:05 test.C:6:7: error: invalid suffix "k" on integer constant 08:21:05 test.C:11:7: error: invalid suffix "k" on integer constant 08:21:05 test.C:2: error: expected constructor, destructor, or type conversion before ‘=’ token 08:21:09 "It doesn't compile!" 08:21:49 now tell rafb.net to add automatic compilation as a feature ;) 08:41:45 -!- sedimin has joined. 08:51:14 -!- bsmntbombdood has quit ("all your basment are belong to bsmntbombdood"). 09:10:28 -!- sedimin has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 10:09:24 -!- kipple has joined. 11:43:35 -!- calamari has quit ("Leaving"). 11:57:49 -!- jix has joined. 12:34:50 -!- wooby has joined. 12:50:45 -!- wooby has quit (Remote closed the connection). 13:18:51 (hmm... the ESO/OS makes no mention of PEOSIX) 13:23:13 "< fizzie> Still, fixing badly-written interpreters should be the interpreter-writer's job; the C standard says that only writing a newline or calling fflush() is guaranteed to make output visible." <---- so, change the esoapi to put a newline at the end of every command? 14:47:42 "The n option is slow." "There is no way to selectively follow symbolic links." :-) 14:54:44 -!- ihope has joined. 14:55:01 Well, sheesh, it should be easy to write an Unlambda interpreter in Unlambda! 14:55:26 it's easier to write an lazy-k interpreter in lazy-k 14:55:31 Of course, you got the evaluation order issues, but that shouldn't be too durn important. 14:57:47 Just parse all your input, using the "reprint character read" function to deal with the output functions. Then use a fold to turn the resulting tree into Unlambda code, and have the rest of the interpreter evaporate. 15:08:05 Yeah, the interpreter would be vaporware! :-) 15:10:58 -!- Arrogant has joined. 15:21:14 -!- Arrogant has quit ("Leaving"). 15:21:38 * SimonRC goes. 15:23:38 Hmm, so all the most popular channels are about Linux? 15:24:10 ihope: on freenode? 15:24:15 Yeah. 15:25:09 hard to say what are most popular but certainly free software related channels are more popular than linux related, #kernelnewbies is the only linux related channel i know 15:26:00 A /list will tell you what the most popular channels are :-) 15:26:12 Erm, wait. 15:26:22 A /join'll do it on my client. 15:27:46 Merging #gentoo, #ubuntu, and #debian would produce a large channel :-) 15:28:36 ihope: yes but none of those is about linux 15:28:43 Um... 15:29:08 Okay, then. All the most popular channels are about GNU/Linux distributions. 15:41:07 -!- tgwizard has joined. 15:54:00 -!- nooga has joined. 15:55:02 ihope: dunno, i'm not on any such channel on freenode 16:03:58 huh? 16:26:37 -!- GregorR-W has joined. 16:26:40 Hmm, so all the most popular channels are about Linux? 16:27:10 On Freenode, all the most popular channels are about FOSS, and GNU/Linux is the flagship. 16:28:17 ahm 16:28:49 * GregorR-W enjoys responding out of context. 16:30:17 Freenode is supposedly all about FOSS. 16:30:50 However, apparently *I'm* all about FOSS, as I had mistaken Freenode for one of the big guys for a longish time. 16:31:48 #esoteric here, #nethack here, #haskell here, #math here, #spore there, and #sporks somewhere else. 16:32:05 Freenode is /not/ one of the "big guys" 16:32:10 Freenode is one of the niche guys. 16:32:25 And it's a good thing, most IRC networks are terrifying, whereas Freenode is a pleasurable experience. 16:32:46 GregorR-W: fack 16:33:17 ... 16:33:18 ? 16:33:20 I don't frequent anything at any of the "big guys". 16:33:23 full ack... 16:33:42 Google "define:fack". 16:33:45 Arr 16:33:51 Damn IRC :P 16:33:53 The one result: "One circle of a coil of rope." 16:34:11 Wow, awesome. 16:34:37 Quakenet, EFnet, um... IRCnet? Then that other one... 16:34:57 * jix is building a robot that is going to KILL YOU ALL! 16:35:02 Undernet! 16:37:09 So how come the big guys seem to use one-letter service bots? I guess because it's harder to typo one of those, and such typos probably won't be more than 3 characters long at worst, so all nicks that are 3 letters or shorter could be banned. 16:37:12 -!- ihope has changed nick to ih. 16:37:25 ...Owned by someone else? Aww. 16:37:28 -!- ih has changed nick to ihope. 17:26:06 -!- sedimin has joined. 17:26:12 hey 17:26:59 hi 17:27:17 how are things going? 17:27:24 slowly 17:27:31 heh 17:27:49 quite the same 17:28:15 it's monday morning and i'm at work 17:28:26 it's morning there? 17:28:30 where you at? 17:28:40 I have evening here, and I came back recently 17:30:11 Yay timezones :) 17:30:16 <-- also at work Monday morning 17:31:27 whenever you feel bad, just remember: somewhere on earth there's a beautiful sunrise right now :D 17:33:35 Whenever you are feeling very small or insecure, just remember how unlikely is your birth! And hope that there's intelligent life somewhere out in space, because it's bugger all down here on Earth! 17:34:25 hehehe 17:34:45 Timezones truly rule 17:34:50 [For some reason, lament's line seemed Pythonesque to me :P] 17:35:00 hmm 17:35:32 it reminds me the Whenever esolang 17:36:23 listen guys, i have one kind of problem 17:36:29 you're lucky 17:36:32 i have many kinds of problems 17:36:47 correction - i have one kind of problem right now :) 17:37:09 do you know how to emulate infinite array with a queue? I just can't get it 17:38:02 You need two queues, IIRC 17:38:18 I think so, so it's not possible with one 17:39:06 no, it's not 17:39:16 wait 17:39:17 yes it is 17:39:21 wait 17:39:23 hm 17:39:23 no it's not :) 17:39:23 * GregorR-W is too tired to think about this :P 17:39:37 too tired and it's just monday morning? :) 17:39:51 sedimin: Couldn't get to sleep last night :( 17:39:52 "just" 17:40:11 the obvious answer to your question is that infinite arrays don't exist. 17:40:17 :/ 17:40:21 It's possible to emulate an array of arbitrary length with a queue. 17:40:47 I did not obviously mean truly infinite array, as one cannot have infinite memory and stuff 17:40:49 :) 17:40:56 It's not possible to emulate an infinite array even with two queues 17:41:01 but let's take and array of arbitrary length 17:41:13 yes 17:41:18 then just put it in a queue 17:41:38 remember what index is at the head of the queue 17:41:46 head? 17:41:48 and any time you need to get some element, just cycle through the queue 17:41:59 until you get to the corresponding index 17:42:08 aha 17:42:09 i see 17:42:15 (cycle by taking an element off the queue, then putting it right back) 17:42:50 with an infinite array, of course, you can't cycle 17:42:54 so I should have one variable that holds the position of the start of the queue 17:42:58 yes 17:43:11 and when I cycle, then the value will change respectively 17:43:53 thanks 17:44:32 How do you call an array that changes its size when needed? something like inflating array? 17:47:18 arrays suck anyway 17:47:26 they're the most boring data structure 17:49:34 "flexible array" is used somewhere. 17:52:15 C99 calls "a" in "struct foo { int x; long a[]; };" a "flexible array member", IIRC. 17:52:32 flexible, yes 17:53:09 sometimes I think my English is worse than the one of primary school kid... :/ 17:55:05 sedimin: Well, my Slovak is far worse than your English ;) 17:56:47 Isn't it just ''null''? :) 17:57:12 Yup :P 17:57:30 you see. and no exceptions in real life when you try to speak it 18:40:30 -!- nooga has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 19:24:04 -!- sedimin has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 19:47:56 -!- fuse has joined. 19:51:32 To simulate an infinite "tape" using a queue, you can just use a | to represent the tape head, and a $ to represent the "end" of the tape. 19:52:15 So a 00011000 with the head right in the middle could be 0001|1000$, $0001|1000, 0$0001|100, 00$0001|10... 19:53:58 An infinite tape with an end, that's a new one :P 19:54:42 Just add zeroes around the $ whenever you need more. 19:57:31 Apparently those guys over in Hell are going to celebrate Tuesday. 20:00:39 Now, it'd be rather weird if the world DID end then... 20:04:38 The question is: will it be "The End" or "To be continued" 20:04:53 2nd 20:05:53 haven't seen any doomsday prophecies in the news here. I would have thought some fanatics would have made at least some attempts to scare people 20:13:10 so what's happening tuesday? 20:13:30 the world ends 20:13:44 uhm. why? 20:13:57 oh. i see. 6/6/6. 20:14:01 yes 20:14:28 of course, it's actually 6/6/2006, but who cares... 20:15:37 Heh. 20:15:43 i think i read somewhere that, according to recent archaeological, the actual number is actually the far less ominous 616. 20:16:09 *findings 20:17:39 How is 616 less ominous than 666, eh? 20:18:05 supposedly, 666 has some numerological properties 20:18:29 oh, nevermind, wtf do i know. 20:55:02 So... do I *have* to study? 20:56:03 -!- sedimin has joined. 20:57:53 -!- fuse has left (?). 21:03:25 -!- Asaph has joined. 21:04:40 -!- jix has quit (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 21:04:40 -!- CXI has quit (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 21:04:41 -!- tgwizard has quit (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 21:04:41 -!- kipple has quit (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 21:04:42 -!- GregorR has quit (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 21:04:42 -!- cp has quit (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 21:04:42 -!- ChanServ has quit (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 21:04:43 -!- cmeme has quit (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 21:04:43 -!- sekhmet has quit (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 21:04:44 -!- sedimin has quit (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 21:04:44 -!- poiuy_qwert has quit (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 21:04:44 -!- EgoBot has quit (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 21:04:44 -!- SimonRC has quit (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 21:04:44 -!- puzzlet has quit (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 21:04:45 -!- ihope has quit (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 21:04:45 -!- Robdgreat has quit (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 21:04:45 -!- pgimeno has quit (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 21:04:45 -!- mtve has quit (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 21:04:45 -!- sp3tt has quit (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 21:05:23 -!- ChanServ has joined. 21:05:23 -!- ihope_ has joined. 21:05:23 -!- sedimin has joined. 21:05:23 -!- tgwizard has joined. 21:05:23 -!- ihope has joined. 21:05:23 -!- jix has joined. 21:05:23 -!- kipple has joined. 21:05:23 -!- cmeme has joined. 21:05:23 -!- CXI has joined. 21:05:23 -!- poiuy_qwert has joined. 21:05:23 -!- sekhmet has joined. 21:05:23 -!- cp has joined. 21:05:23 -!- GregorR has joined. 21:05:23 -!- EgoBot has joined. 21:05:23 -!- SimonRC has joined. 21:05:23 -!- pgimeno has joined. 21:05:23 -!- mtve has joined. 21:05:23 -!- sp3tt has joined. 21:05:23 -!- puzzlet has joined. 21:05:23 -!- irc.freenode.net has set channel mode: +o ChanServ. 21:05:35 it's a self built robot using some µC some lego some wires one loudspeaker.. some sensors... 21:05:41 some motors 21:06:21 -!- puzzlet has quit (Remote closed the connection). 21:06:24 -!- puzzlet has joined. 21:07:45 lol: "They had a process on Skylab. In the storage compartment there were 2000 lockers, on the ground there was a team of six working in shifts with a pair of redundant computers keeping track of what was put in which locker." 21:08:23 Heh/ 21:08:35 A fairly route loss?! 21:08:40 What's that? 21:08:43 The fairly ones are the worst kind! 21:08:59 NOO! NOT A FAIRLY ROUTE LOSS! 21:14:56 Hahahah 21:15:02 actually, regarding 6/6/2006: http://imdb.com/title/tt0466909/ 21:17:57 heheh 21:18:11 * SimonRC watches the trailer 21:18:40 I like the birthmark with 666 in Aribic (i.e. English) numerals. *sigh* 21:21:01 -!- sedimin has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 21:21:13 -!- ihope has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 21:22:06 Hmm, actually, after reading the plot outline of that, the beginning of _Good Omens_ makes more sense. 21:24:30 Good Omens is an awesome book. One of the funniest I've read 21:26:17 -!- _wildhalcyon_ has joined. 21:27:21 kipple: yup 21:27:33 <_wildhalcyon_> hello 21:27:38 hi 21:28:51 <_wildhalcyon_> How are you Simon? 21:30:00 fine 21:30:48 -!- sp3tt has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 21:30:55 moin _wildhalcyon_ 21:31:03 <_wildhalcyon_> moin jix 21:31:16 -!- bsmntbombdood has joined. 21:40:19 -!- sp3tt has joined. 21:40:21 * SimonRC goes 21:40:47 !help 21:40:50 help ps kill i eof flush show ls bf_txtgen usertrig daemon undaemon 21:40:52 1l 2l adjust axo befunge bch bf{8,[16],32,64} fyb fybs glass glypho kipple lambda lazyk linguine malbolge pbrain rail rhotor sadol sceql trigger udage01 unlambda whirl 21:41:09 ��M 21:42:27 ��E 21:42:46 ��O 21:44:22 -!- ihope_ has changed nick to ihope. 21:45:10 ��A 21:45:18 what's that? 21:45:28 ��U 21:45:47 umlaut-y p with a too large | and a big U??? 21:46:15 ��N 21:47:05 ACTION ��g 21:47:27 Ahem. 21:47:31