< 1149552025 0 :tgwizard!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1149552037 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: goedle showed that if you have a formal system(??) that is strong enough(??) there are things that aren't part of the system.. but the negation of the ting isn't part of the system either... < 1149552191 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a pair of some_term_a and some_term_b that has the property that neither some_term_a == some_term_b nor some_term_a != some_term_b can be derived(??) from the axioms < 1149552205 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1149552247 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So there's an f and an x such that neither f(x) nor not(f(x)) can be proven? < 1149552253 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1149552316 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he showed that by showing that by "writing an interpreter" of the system in itself (he only showed that it is possible) and used this to make an expression (to show that it exists) that says "i am wrong!" < 1149552348 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aiee, a Google search for "lololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololol" turns up results! < 1149552484 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the discussion we had about the grapes and bananas is somehow related to the contents of the book "gödel escher bach" written by Douglas R. Hofstadter.... < 1149552499 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't finished reading it yet < 1149552524 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i don't know everything about gödel's proof... < 1149552534 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it really is interesting... < 1149552568 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he is talking about the same problem.. that there is always a next step that is able to solve more problems but you can't have an highest step that can solve everything... < 1149552760 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip68-231-173-86.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1149552986 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moin calamari < 1149552993 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi jix < 1149552995 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a halt-checker for brainfuck is grape one < 1149553001 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1149553006 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an interpreter for a halt-checker for brainfuck is grape two? < 1149553010 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1149553015 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. < 1149553021 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/interpreter/halt-checker/ < 1149553033 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what about an interpreter. < 1149553039 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a halt-checker is obviously grape two < 1149553048 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An interpreter for a halt-checker is simply a halt-checker. < 1149553087 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm < 1149553115 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: that isn't true for brainfuck < 1149553117 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1149553125 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an interpreter for grape 0 is grape 0 < 1149553131 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a halt-checker for grape 0 is grape 1 < 1149553149 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1149553156 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless, of course, your interpreter can halt-check. < 1149553182 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: let's define interpreter as it doesn't check the program for halting but it just runs it... < 1149553189 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but an interpreter for grape 1 cannot be grape 1 < 1149553198 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: why not? < 1149553198 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: why? < 1149553201 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, can it? < 1149553208 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it can. < 1149553241 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem with brainhype is it is banana-one right? it can check any grape (but not grape-infinity because that would be a LC + will-halt right?) < 1149553274 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh boy... < 1149553275 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grape infinity would be an infinite program < 1149553277 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we don't look at those < 1149553282 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually < 1149553288 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brainhype is the entire grape hierarchy, < 1149553290 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/,/./ < 1149553302 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a brainhype _interpreter_ is banana-one < 1149553306 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1149553337 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have to re-read the brainhype spec... < 1149553352 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i've got something wrong... < 1149553363 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every Brainhype program is somewhere in the grape hierarchy, and for every place in the grape hierarchy, there's a Brainhype program that can simulate everything in it. < 1149553393 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that brainhype program is in the same level of the hierarchy. < 1149553405 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1149553407 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i know < 1149553439 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i guess it's more appropriate to call a brainhype interpreter banana-0 < 1149553443 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it doesn't halt-check anything < 1149553459 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It halt-checks the entire grape hierarchy. < 1149553476 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, apart from that :) < 1149553498 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe banana 0 is the entire grape hierarchy. < 1149553509 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a brainfuck interpreter is grape 0, it makes sense to make the brainhype interpreter banana 0 < 1149553528 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, make it so, then. < 1149553608 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe we shouldn't call it banana 0 but grape-two-0 ... because we can continue that as long as we want < 1149553651 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Call that the melon hierarchy. < 1149553665 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grape = 1-melon, banana = 2-melon, etc. < 1149553678 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't we start with 0? < 1149553700 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You were the one who said banana should be number 2... < 1149553714 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it can start with 0, then. < 1149553716 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: well i do make mistakes... < 1149553723 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm still not convinced there IS a banana hierarchy... < 1149553744 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: so you think there is a contradiction in the banana hierarchy? < 1149553749 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm certainly not convinced of existence of a hierarchy beyond the banana one < 1149553763 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would go in that one? < 1149553780 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think there is nothing behind the grape-0 < 1149553782 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things that could solve the Halting problems for everything in the banana hierarchy. < 1149553786 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in reallaty < 1149553801 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: well, that's because reality is Turing-complete :-) < 1149553824 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1149553872 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's gotta be a contradiction somewhere :) < 1149553891 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise, we have a gigantic transfinite system of hierarchies < 1149553920 0 :_wildhalcyon_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if reality has bounded storage? < 1149553921 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :once i thought my contradiction could be a valid banana-0 / 1-melon-0 program < 1149553924 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The contradiction would be at infinity. < 1149553931 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_wildhalcyon_: it does. < 1149553943 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is neither a grape-infinity nor a banana-infinity. < 1149553974 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor an infinity-melon-infinity < 1149553983 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think they would be all the same if they would exist... < 1149553988 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they could all solve all problems < 1149554009 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously not < 1149554022 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they can only halt-check things that are lower on the hierarchy < 1149554035 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: well they are on the highest place of the hierachy < 1149554077 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1149554093 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what level is a program that can halt-check an arbitrary Brainfuck program? < 1149554101 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grape-1 < 1149554108 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure? < 1149554113 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{program} doesn't count < 1149554126 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: there is a brainfuck interpreter in branfuck < 1149554138 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{brainfuck-interpreter-that-reads-source-from-memory} < 1149554142 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohh < 1149554147 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1149554158 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, you can't do that with brainhype < 1149554167 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1149554190 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: you can write an interpreter for grape-1 in grape-2 < 1149554199 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1149554207 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but waht about banana-0?? < 1149554218 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gets all confused < 1149554235 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: well we just defined it can solve all grape halting problems < 1149554235 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about banana-0? < 1149554247 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: you can write an interpreter for grape-1 in grape-1 < 1149554259 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: uhm yes < 1149554278 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nargh i always write interpreter < 1149554284 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i want to write halt-checker < 1149554297 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is so confusing < 1149554302 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wants to know what all these fruits are < 1149554316 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: they are different computational classes < 1149554321 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can we get a better understanding of what banana-0 includes < 1149554329 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're hierarchies of computational classes. < 1149554330 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from (obviously) a brainhype interpreter < 1149554331 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: I figured that < 1149554350 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grape-0 includes all Brainfuck programs < 1149554354 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I write a Wiki article on the fruit hierarchies? < 1149554355 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: i like some of them... and i dislike some of them... imho banana tates terrible... < 1149554362 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: grape is tasty < 1149554374 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grape-42 includes all brainhype programs with up to 42 levels of braces < 1149554378 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does banana-0 include? < 1149554387 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: melon too but i'm allergic against(??) it < 1149554397 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Allergic to it? < 1149554413 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: yeah i don't know the right wort to fit between allergic and it... < 1149554430 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the german word there would be "gegen" that translates to "against" < 1149554442 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :allergic to it < 1149554447 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is banana-0 a computational class at all? does it include anything other than a brainhype interpreter? < 1149554491 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, brainhype interpreter is the only thing in banana-0 that's not on the grape hierarchy somewhere < 1149554504 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: banana-0 is the set of all programs that can build arbitrary Brainhype programs and run them. < 1149554516 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure but wouldn't an instruction & added to brainhype that evaluets a finite piece of code stored on the tape be banana-0? < 1149554533 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: I think that would be contradictory. < 1149554544 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As long as you could put & on the tape, that is. < 1149554560 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: nargh that evaluates a brainhype program stored on the tape < 1149554564 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no & < 1149554574 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. That would be banana-0, then. < 1149554588 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i want a banana-n language... < 1149554615 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the piece of code on the tape that is going to be evaluated has to be smaller than the current code? is that banana-n complete? < 1149554627 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... < 1149554635 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can nest as many & as you want but not infinite... < 1149554647 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so. < 1149554649 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why can't you nest &, anyway < 1149554662 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: no... < 1149554663 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in lisp, you can nest eval as much as you like < 1149554675 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eval (or &) does not move you up the hierarchy < 1149554677 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: but you may not add a will-halt to lisp < 1149554686 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1149554687 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be a contradiction < 1149554693 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1149554707 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you're saying that the presence of {} must be balanced by lack of eval < 1149554712 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1149554723 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1149554726 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least, the lack of an unrestricted eval. < 1149554739 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a lambda calculus like behavior... < 1149554768 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so banana-0 has one level of &, banana-1 two levels of & < 1149554785 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I think so. < 1149554807 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: but the evaluated code must be smaller than the original would throw it into the grape hierarchy... < 1149554811 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means the next hierarchy (after the banans) would have arbitrary levels of & and therefore would be inconsistent? < 1149554813 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would limit the numbers of {}... < 1149554816 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*bananas < 1149554843 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: arbitrary but not infinity.... < 1149554858 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: as long as you don' reach infinity you don't have a problem < 1149554879 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want a stack-based brainfuck type lang < 1149554887 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: BF-PDA? < 1149554896 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think really the same thing (applied to formal systems or something like that) was discussed in the book i am reading < 1149554898 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the level of nesting of & cannot be determined in advance, anyhow < 1149554916 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think grape-infinity, banana-infinity, and, in general, n-melon-infinity are all inconsistent. < 1149554924 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You guys are all confusing me... < 1149554930 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: yes and i think they are all the same < 1149555020 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: kind of like bf-pda < 1149555027 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and did i say that Douglas R. Hofstadter started to invent nonsense names for this things too? just to get the reader away from the usual (pre-justiced??) thinking.... < 1149555029 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: I will just write my own < 1149555059 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grape, banana, and melon all have very complex and meaningful histories. :-P < 1149555097 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously < 1149555113 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if banana-0 is brainhype with a & which is not allowed to be nested. < 1149555118 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: but they have NOTHING to do with the things we are talking about < 1149555129 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and banana-1 is brainhype with a & which you can nest only once < 1149555133 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you're screwed right there < 1149555143 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you can't tell in advance how many times the & will be nested < 1149555143 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: why? < 1149555151 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by looking at the program < 1149555154 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Banana-0 can't use & for more banana-0, I think. < 1149555168 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can use it for any grape, but not for banana-0. < 1149555173 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: well you have a nesting count and if the nesting count reaches 2 the instruction & is a NOP... < 1149555174 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: that's what i said. < 1149555179 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: hah < 1149555186 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: what? < 1149555188 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: that feels really dirty. but i guess you're right. < 1149555223 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: but it still means the next fruit will be inconsistent < 1149555231 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL if someone would stand behind me and read my logs he would think we are all crazy... < 1149555247 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2-melon-0 would only be able to use & for bananas. < 1149555270 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: that's also true of bananas < 1149555286 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Banana-0 can only use & for grapes. < 1149555291 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would add an instruction / that reads the number of allowed & from the tapes and evaluates code read from the tapes... < 1149555307 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: aiee < 1149555312 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: aieee < 1149555321 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-s-s < 1149555325 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have only one tape right? < 1149555328 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: are you SURE that's not equivalent to banana-0 in some way < 1149555339 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't complicate things in your attempts to simplify them... < 1149555349 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: no... should i? < 1149555354 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, look up "one-banana problem". < 1149555359 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: it sounds complex enough that it might be < 1149555425 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish i had a banana-0 interpreter to play with < 1149555431 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1149555501 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: can't be banana-0 you can write a banana-n interpreter in it < 1149555525 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can only write a banana-0 interpreter in banana-0. < 1149555537 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: i'm talking about my 2-melon-0 < 1149555543 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what. < 1149555544 0 :_wildhalcyon_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a weird convo... < 1149555545 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're all wrong. < 1149555558 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_wildhalcyon_: go paste it on bash.org < 1149555575 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: no... < 1149555594 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are we wrong about? < 1149555620 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno < 1149555628 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh... < 1149555659 0 :_wildhalcyon_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix, that website is crazy < 1149555684 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't like the & instruction < 1149555695 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither do I. < 1149555698 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want a better banana-0 language < 1149555702 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: neither i < 1149555740 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you get a m+1-melon-0 by taking a m-melon-0 and adding another kind of & instruction that reads the number (n) of the desired m-melon-n from the tape and executes a m-melon-n program from the tape < 1149555762 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus there is a m-melon-n for every finite but arbitrary high m and n < 1149555806 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you get a m-melon-n+1 by taking a m-melon-n by allowing to nest the added & kind instruction one level deeper... < 1149555819 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooooo < 1149555841 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: hard to imagine isn't it? < 1149555849 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem with this < 1149555856 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, nevermind < 1149555857 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is one? < 1149555859 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks < 1149555880 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess there isn't < 1149555939 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still ugly < 1149555947 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what is when we want a interpreter for an arbitrary m-melon-n ? lets say m-melon-n is the same as 0-basket-of-m-melon-n 1-basket-of-0-melon-0 is able to interpret all m-melon-n... is this possible? < 1149555949 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: i know... < 1149555958 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want a better x-melon-y language < 1149555966 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: we all want it.. < 1149555978 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whee. < 1149555984 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, there can be baskets. < 1149556041 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: see, this "basket" thing < 1149556049 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: like i said, this just leads to a transfinite hierarchy < 1149556060 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does "transfinite" mean? < 1149556076 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: you can assign an ordinal number to every class < 1149556094 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: i don't understand that.. my english isn't good enough... < 1149556095 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 is TC < 1149556108 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 in brainhype with 1 level of braces < 1149556117 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 is brainhype with 1 level of braces < 1149556156 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oddly enough, this is all related to some thing I had once... < 1149556162 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it was called F-TR1. < 1149556163 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omega_0 is 1-melon-0 < 1149556211 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omega^omega is, probably, 1-basket-of-0-melon-0 < 1149556217 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordinal_numbers < 1149556315 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: yes you're right < 1149556395 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: is he? < 1149556405 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, lemme see... < 1149556497 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, I don't know. < 1149556501 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: wait isn't omega^2 1-basket-of-0-melon-0? < 1149556546 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think omega^omega would give you a contradiction < 1149556566 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that would be 1..........0-baslet-of-0-melon-0 < 1149556584 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you know it's infinite and not arbitrary? < 1149556604 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nargh i don't get this anymore... < 1149556608 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should go to bed instead < 1149556637 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me too. < 1149556638 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1149556645 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 2 am here... < 1149556670 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's night right?) < 1149556672 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This discussion started about 2 hours ago. < 1149556678 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i always confuse am and pm... < 1149556678 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: either that or morning :-) < 1149556717 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to think of a good mnemonic < 1149556729 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a is after and p is past... < 1149556731 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm wait? < 1149556740 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, A comes before P in the alphabet. < 1149556744 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a is "antes" < 1149556857 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe not :) < 1149556867 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't it? < 1149556902 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be < 1149557002 0 :_wildhalcyon_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anybody have non-constructive criticism on my crawl post? < 1149557048 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like L0l n00b h0w ST00p4T?? < 1149557071 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_wildhalcyon_: YOU SMELL!!! < 1149557086 0 :_wildhalcyon_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well.. slightly more constructive than that < 1149557091 0 :_wildhalcyon_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament is on the right track < 1149557112 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_wildhalcyon_: GO TAKE A SHOWER!! no, that's constructive < 1149557124 0 :_wildhalcyon_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, I suppose it is < 1149557140 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is brainscrambler http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainscrambler turing complete? < 1149557183 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to < 1149557201 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: I'm pretty sure it is. < 1149557209 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like this line: "You must have 3 infinitely (within reason) long stacks" < 1149557226 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would it be turing complete with only one stack? < 1149557232 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1149557249 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But with two, it would be. < 1149557436 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAHA lemonlimeskull: You know you've been chatting too long when you think C:/> is some kind of depressed Arab smiley. < 1149557451 0 :_wildhalcyon_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, that's... sad < 1149557473 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C:/> IS a depressed arab smiley. < 1149557483 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C:\> is command prompt when you're on drive C: < 1149557494 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: are you User:Ihope127 on wikipedia? < 1149557495 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: i copy&pasted from bash.org < 1149557498 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: yep. < 1149557621 0 :_wildhalcyon_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D tetris is so unrealistic < 1149557842 0 :Asaph!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah when I drop blocks I can't change their direction and position mid-fall < 1149557848 0 :Asaph!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah. < 1149557850 0 :Asaph!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Robdgreat < 1149558312 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tetris rules < 1149558317 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and i should go to bed < 1149558374 0 :_wildhalcyon_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright, g'night jix < 1149558653 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dang, I keep mistyping "define" as "defube". < 1149559081 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and i should go to bed < 1149559417 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1149559535 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and i should go to bed < 1149560191 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION contemplates an IRC server with only three channel names, but infinite channels < 1149560235 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Joining a channel would simply create a new one, but being invited to a channel would put you into the existing one. < 1149560284 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL < 1149560394 0 :_wildhalcyon_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : The general rule on about people on IRC seems to be "Attractive, single, mentally stable: choose two" < 1149560493 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternatively, channels wouldn't have permanent names: you'd join a channel, and if you've seen a channel with that name before, you join it; otherwise, a new channel is created. < 1149560505 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inviting someone to a channel would allocate a random channel name. < 1149560530 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose there would have to be some sort of service to keep you from "losing" channels... call it A. < 1149560559 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: oh and you don't have nicks.. < 1149560564 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh my. < 1149560566 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first person you see is going to be A < 1149560569 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 2nd person B.... < 1149560588 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and i should go to bed < 1149560593 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, maybe A would always be the service bot, but nicks would be given randomly. < 1149560626 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, maybe not randomly. < 1149560635 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nargh gn8 < 1149560636 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd start with 0, then go to 1, 2, 3, 4... < 1149560640 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good night. < 1149560642 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"HAHAHAHAHAHA" < 1149560645 0 :_wildhalcyon_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer the random idea < 1149560662 0 :_wildhalcyon_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it would be lots of fun to receive a new random name every time < 1149560697 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it would be. < 1149560700 0 :_wildhalcyon_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :random < 1149560727 0 :random!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay! < 1149560756 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right after you choose a nick, it'd say nick!user@hostmask NICK :Hedral or something. < 1149560801 0 :random!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would work < 1149560911 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I regularly tomato eat lampshades... < 1149562700 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : The general rule on about people on IRC seems to be "Attractive, single, mentally stable: choose two" < 1149562703 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ Not true. < 1149562707 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's usually choose zero. < 1149562924 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes < 1149563026 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1149563251 0 :random!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good point gregor < 1149563287 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some one have any brainscrambler programs? < 1149563520 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just wrote an interpreter and I need to test it < 1149565967 0 :rhudson!n=rhudson@dialup-4.246.105.16.Dial1.SanJose1.Level3.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1149565996 0 :rhudson!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi All! < 1149566042 0 :rhudson!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1149566072 0 :rhudson!n=rhudson@dialup-4.246.105.16.Dial1.SanJose1.Level3.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1149566094 0 :rhudson!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um Hi all again < 1149566125 0 :rhudson!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ronhudson < 1149566145 0 :ronhudson!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION peers about looking for real people < 1149566163 0 :ronhudson!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi EgoBot < 1149566323 0 :ronhudson!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm did I do that? Hey anybody see my new toy language on the esolangs wiki? < 1149566448 0 :ronhudson!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Xirc - MacOSX" < 1149566463 0 :rhudson!n=rhudson@dialup-4.246.105.16.Dial1.SanJose1.Level3.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1149566484 0 :rhudson!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2,8hello again? < 1149566514 0 :rhudson!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2,8I don't quite have the hang of XIRC yet.. Is anyone out there? < 1149566568 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1149566581 0 :rhudson!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2,8If you all are talking, I can't hear you? < 1149566602 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then you're screwed < 1149566610 0 :rhudson!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2,8Oh bsm I see you < 1149566642 0 :rhudson!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2,8Are you interested in computer languages? < 1149566827 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why I'm here < 1149566855 0 :rhudson!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2,8Did you design one of your own? or do you use one of the others? < 1149566897 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've invented a few toy languages < 1149566923 0 :rhudson!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2,8Does my text actually look blue on yellow to you, should I pick better colors? < 1149566952 0 :rhudson!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2,8I am building a small language myself, it's called Tiny. < 1149566952 0 :Robdgreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about default < 1149566990 0 :rhudson!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1Now black on white. < 1149567000 0 :rhudson!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1Hi Robgreat < 1149567015 0 :Robdgreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange. on my black background everyone else's text shows as white. < 1149567028 0 :Robdgreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yours shows as black (i.e. invisible) < 1149567078 0 :rhudson!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12Ok, a light blue visible on both white and black backgrounds.:^) < 1149567107 0 :rhudson!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12What languages have you built BSM? < 1149567131 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing you have heard of < 1149567264 0 :rhudson!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12There's a write up of tiny on the esolang wiki, another guy did a good re-write after < 1149567278 0 :rhudson!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12I wrote a terse entry. < 1149567409 0 :rhudson!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12It's slow here. < 1149567442 0 :rhudson!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12How many of those 22 users are bots? < 1149567470 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one i think < 1149567521 0 :rhudson!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12Rob have you written any languages I may have heard of? < 1149567526 0 :Robdgreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no way < 1149567533 0 :Robdgreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just idle here because it's entertaining < 1149567589 0 :rhudson!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12I wrote tiny just recently, I think I am just about finished and have almost everything working. < 1149567664 0 :rhudson!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12so I am trying to get people to comment on it. < 1149567692 0 :rhudson!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12It's about equivalent to a "tiny basic" < 1149567771 0 :rhudson!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12Well, I have to travel tomorrow. So I gotta getup early. < 1149567780 0 :rhudson!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12night all! :^) < 1149567787 0 :rhudson!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Xirc - MacOSX" < 1149569885 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip68-231-173-86.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1149570940 0 :Arrogant!i=Scott@237.orlando-04-05rs.fl.dial-access.att.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1149572278 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1149573004 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1149573360 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@124.51.195.166 JOIN :#esoteric < 1149573877 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1149573980 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, colored fonts < 1149574006 0 :ChanServ!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :+o lament < 1149574014 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :+c < 1149574018 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :-o lament < 1149574042 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION likes exercising his tyrannical op powers < 1149574129 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@124.51.195.166 JOIN :#esoteric < 1149574190 0 :Arrogant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tyranny < 1149574242 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1149574499 0 :random!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :noooooooooooo < 1149574537 0 :random!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :wildhalcyon < 1149578071 0 :Arrogant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Single inheritence. < 1149578122 0 :Arrogant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1149578122 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh huh? < 1149578124 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about it? < 1149578447 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sucks. < 1149580340 0 :sedimin!n=juraj@gateway04.isper.sk JOIN :#esoteric < 1149580381 0 :sedimin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi there < 1149580769 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'lo < 1149580799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1149580800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1149581895 0 :sedimin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1149582121 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1149584157 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1149586485 0 :CXI!n=Sanity@dialup-75.89.221.203.acc50-kent-syd.comindico.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1149595052 0 :sedimin!n=juraj@gateway04.isper.sk JOIN :#esoteric < 1149595114 0 :tgwizard!n=tgwizard@c-e43ee155.178-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1149595622 0 :ihope_!n=foo@c-71-205-100-59.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1149595633 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ihope < 1149596598 0 :jix!i=jix@L607c.l.strato-dslnet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1149596605 0 :sedimin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1149596606 0 :sedimin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix < 1149596746 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moin < 1149597207 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1149601564 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, how do I turn word wrap off in a text box? < 1149601845 0 :sedimin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in what? < 1149601860 0 :sedimin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in what framework or gui toolkit? < 1149601863 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A multiline text box in a web browser. < 1149601867 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Firefox, on Windows. < 1149601871 0 :sedimin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in html, so? < 1149601884 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :From within the browser. < 1149601906 0 :sedimin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the text box is contained in a page, right? < 1149601954 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1149601960 0 :sedimin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1149601964 0 :sedimin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I came to this: < 1149601972 0 :sedimin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Attribute for