< 1149984265 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: interesting new lang. gotta try to inspect it more once there's an interpreter < 1149984281 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd be easy enough to write. < 1149984406 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1149984445 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool :) < 1149984451 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah.. < 1149984635 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're referring to Pointy? < 1149984649 0 :poiuy_qwert!i=poiuyqwe@toronto-HSE-ppp4227792.sympatico.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1149984681 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The whole idea of having a peer-judged new lang contest would be that the winner would actually be new and original ... < 1149985025 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wildhalcyon: yae, i was referring to pointy. < 1149985036 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although smatiny is one of my favourites these days ;) < 1149985101 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like BackFlip. < 1149985108 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never done anything with it, but still... < 1149985153 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's nice too < 1149985162 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(never done anything in it either :D) < 1149985205 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One very useless BackFlip construction: a field surrounded by arrows pointing inward. < 1149985249 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can go in, but then the only way out is back the way you came. < 1149985671 0 :tokigun!i=tokigun@sparcs45.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1149985765 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1149987029 0 :tokigun!i=tokigun@sparcs45.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1149987059 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1149987685 0 :tokigun!i=tokigun@sparcs45.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1149987686 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Bitte waehlen Sie eine Beerdigungnachricht" < 1149988129 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1149988353 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1149988603 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1149989335 0 :tokigun!i=tokigun@sparcs45.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1149989672 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1149990616 0 :tokigun!i=tokigun@sparcs45.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1149990881 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1149991196 0 :tokigun!i=tokigun@sparcs45.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1149992205 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1149993468 0 :tokigun!i=tokigun@sparcs45.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1149994675 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Bedtime" < 1149994781 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1149995404 0 :tokigun!i=tokigun@sparcs45.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1149996011 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1149996012 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1149997541 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn it. I'm trying to come up with a good idea for a theoretical esolang creation competition. < 1149997649 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the main thing is making the judgment fair. < 1149997684 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say all of the contestants are also judges, and vote for three entries (one of which will probalby be their own). < 1149997822 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I say we exempt our own from votes < 1149997908 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The effect is the same *shrugs* < 1149997985 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose so < 1149998271 0 :tokigun!i=tokigun@sparcs45.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1149998608 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1149999560 0 :tokigun!i=tokigun@sparcs45.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1149999899 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1150000845 0 :tokigun!i=tokigun@sparcs45.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1150001184 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1150003087 0 :tokigun!i=tokigun@sparcs45.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1150003730 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1150003980 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone available for some interrogation? < 1150004059 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suppose, instead of the traditional bf turing machine, you have a different one. < 1150004108 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead of marking cells, your instructions involve grouping them together, and pulling them apart < 1150004241 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you have >, <, + (join), - (pop one off the current clump), and ~ to swap the cell with the next one in line. < 1150004354 0 :tokigun!i=tokigun@sparcs45.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1150004355 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll name it KTM for Katamari Turing Machine. < 1150004369 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I'm not sure if its Turing-Complete or not < 1150004371 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1150004382 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Nobody talk, eventually he'll just shut up ;) ) < 1150004383 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean hi < 1150004397 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, Gregor, Im afraid that's where you're wrong < 1150004420 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I just whipped out my notepad clone to write up a spec ;-) That probably would have shut me up for a couple minutes < 1150004997 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1150005173 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm, I'm still not sure if its TC or not < 1150005234 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it is, because it essentially "removes" cells to increment the current cell. < 1150005622 0 :tokigun!i=tokigun@sparcs45.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1150005725 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh, just an idea I had < 1150006074 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip68-231-173-86.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1150006075 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1150006705 0 :tokigun!i=tokigun@sparcs45.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1150006986 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1150007026 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@124.51.195.166 JOIN :#esoteric < 1150007926 0 :tokigun!i=tokigun@sparcs45.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1150008019 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1150008245 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"all your basment are belong to bsmntbombdood" < 1150009067 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1150009283 0 :tokigun!i=tokigun@sparcs45.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1150009437 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1150009701 0 :tokigun!i=tokigun@sparcs45.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1150009794 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Success < 1150010528 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Chatzilla 0.9.73 [Firefox 1.5.0.4/2006050817]" < 1150010606 0 :Arrogant!i=Scott@113.orlando-09rh15-16rt.fl.dial-access.att.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1150011058 0 :tokigun!i=tokigun@sparcs45.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1150011395 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1150012029 0 :sedimin_!n=juraj@gateway04.isper.sk JOIN :#esoteric < 1150012466 0 :Arrogant_!i=Scott@47.orlando-09rh15-16rt.fl.dial-access.att.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1150012799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1150012800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1150012906 0 :Arrogant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1150012909 0 :Arrogant_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Arrogant < 1150013299 0 :tokigun!i=tokigun@sparcs45.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1150013942 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1150014572 0 :tokigun!i=tokigun@sparcs45.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1150015275 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1150015899 0 :tokigun!i=tokigun@sparcs45.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1150016055 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1150016322 0 :tokigun!i=tokigun@sparcs45.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1150016414 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1150017037 0 :tokigun!i=tokigun@sparcs45.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1150017191 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1150017493 0 :tokigun!i=tokigun@sparcs45.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1150017696 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1150019931 0 :tokigun!i=tokigun@sparcs45.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1150020024 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1150020648 0 :tokigun!i=tokigun@sparcs45.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1150020669 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1150021207 0 :jix!i=jix@L6229.l.strato-dslnet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1150021364 0 :sedimin_!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1150021687 0 :sedimin_!n=juraj@gateway04.isper.sk JOIN :#esoteric < 1150022260 0 :tokigun!i=tokigun@sparcs45.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1150022902 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1150023091 0 :kipple!n=kipple@250.80-202-100.nextgentel.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1150024041 0 :sedimin_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1150026150 0 :sedimin_!n=juraj@gateway04.isper.sk JOIN :#esoteric < 1150026165 0 :sedimin_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sedimin < 1150026282 0 :sedimin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :somebody was talking about esolang competition? < 1150026441 0 :sedimin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw something in yesterday's log, but did anything emerge from it? < 1150026523 0 :Arrogant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1150027324 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about having an annual award (in several categories) where all that has been done that year can be nominated < 1150027537 0 :sedimin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds good < 1150027544 0 :sedimin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like esoOscar? :) < 1150027649 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1150027661 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully we could usurp the Essies name < 1150027705 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem with the contests that have been in the past is that they are so time limited. most interesting stuff gets made outside of those time limits < 1150027787 0 :sedimin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1150027794 0 :sedimin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not limit it to entire year? < 1150027806 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1150027809 0 :sedimin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, the 2006 contest will end on 31.12.2006 < 1150027820 0 :sedimin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in january, the decision will be made < 1150027869 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in january there is a limited time when people can nominate entries. When the nominations are over, everybody gets to vote < 1150027882 0 :sedimin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1150027893 0 :sedimin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe in february, there'll be results < 1150028444 0 :sedimin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. there should be some music-generating language. I just like chip-tunes < 1150028465 0 :sedimin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be no console output, just the sound < 1150029997 0 :sedimin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1150030621 0 :Keymaker!n=nobody@wire74.adsl.netsonic.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1150030652 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, yes, gregorr's idea of everyone being judges in the comp sounds good < 1150030686 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but personally i'd rather have some more limited competition time, that's for example a month or two < 1150030852 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :personally i'd limit it to one esolang per person. otherwise people just whip up languages like maniacs and don't plan them that well or program in them that much as they would if they are only limited to one. or at least that's what i think < 1150030871 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but either the way, i really would like to see something! < 1150032219 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1150033135 0 :tokigun!i=tokigun@sparcs45.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1150033142 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1150033774 0 :tokigun!i=tokigun@sparcs45.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1150034426 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool optical illusion --> http://www.johnsadowski.com/big_spanish_castle.html < 1150034426 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1150035104 0 :tokigun!i=tokigun@sparcs45.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1150035686 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1150035756 0 :ihope_!n=foo@c-71-205-100-59.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1150035786 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... no staff members on? < 1150037275 0 :tokigun!i=tokigun@sparcs45.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1150038276 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1150039229 0 :tokigun!i=tokigun@sparcs45.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1150039479 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This is the default quit message" < 1150039567 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1150039619 0 :pgimeno!n=pgimeno@80.59.211.124 JOIN :#esoteric < 1150040521 0 :tokigun!i=tokigun@sparcs45.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1150040862 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1150041130 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope_: why would there be? < 1150041484 0 :tokigun!i=tokigun@sparcs45.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1150042120 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Success < 1150042742 0 :tokigun!i=tokigun@sparcs45.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1150043143 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not? < 1150043384 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1150043957 0 :sedimin!n=juraj@gateway04.isper.sk JOIN :#esoteric < 1150044007 0 :tokigun!i=tokigun@sparcs45.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1150044302 0 :sedimin!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1150044308 0 :sedimin!n=juraj@gateway04.isper.sk JOIN :#esoteric < 1150044711 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1150046299 0 :tokigun!i=tokigun@sparcs45.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1150046571 0 :ChanServ!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Shutting Down < 1150046604 0 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. JOIN :#esoteric < 1150046604 0 :irc.freenode.net!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :+o ChanServ < 1150046823 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1150048084 0 :tokigun!i=tokigun@sparcs45.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1150048202 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1150048775 0 :sedimin_!n=juraj@gateway04.isper.sk JOIN :#esoteric < 1150048810 0 :sedimin_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...again idenfity instead of identify :/ < 1150048866 0 :tokigun!i=tokigun@sparcs45.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1150048960 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1150049592 0 :tokigun!i=tokigun@sparcs45.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1150049596 0 :sedimin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1150049783 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1150050009 0 :sedimin_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice one :: http://dubwise.ic.cz/pix/ms_zacina.jpg < 1150050110 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1150050156 0 :sedimin_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my GF must be happy that I don't like football ;) < 1150051408 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders what she is *actually* holding (as opposed to what is being suggested).
< 1150051485 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? any reason to believe those two are not the same? < 1150051582 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good point < 1150051716 0 :tokigun!i=tokigun@sparcs45.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1150051747 0 :sedimin_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1150052359 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1150052987 0 :tokigun!i=tokigun@sparcs45.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1150053629 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1150053683 0 :wildhalcyon!n=chatzill@c-69-243-86-169.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1150054253 0 :tokigun!i=tokigun@sparcs45.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1150054346 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1150054827 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# Ooh, mah name is, # # Ooh mah name is, # # Ooh, mah name is, # # `/bin/hostname` # -- _My name is `/bin/hostname`_, by slim.shady.com < 1150054830 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1150054880 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION give simon one clap.
< 1150054909 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hopes everyone at least *gets* the joke.
< 1150055004 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :b(C):-b(succ(C)) -- Smiley speaking PROLOG (to go with the perl, COBOL, LISP, etc smileys) < 1150055017 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. the world really needs an esolang based on rap ;) < 1150055028 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :space would be forbidden < 1150055070 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl: :-@n8P@8p7*@*@BP{B)(98'[`2&^58}]7b9[] COBOL: COLON SUBTRACT OPENING PARENTHESIS < 1150055091 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LISP: :-((()())(())()) < 1150055254 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woah, that castle illusion is amazing 8-X < 1150055260 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's in perfect, brilliant color ... < 1150055263 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1150055317 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an effect of certain color receptors becoming tierd, and your brain overintepreting the resulting coloured blobs. < 1150055377 0 :sedimin_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1150055410 0 :sedimin_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this a smiley: <> ? < 1150055415 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its actually the best one of those illusions that I've seen. I think it has to do with the way the color arranged in the picture. < 1150055437 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TV (in Britain) transmits hue, intensity, and brighness is its 3 channels IIRC. The horizontal resolution of the color is much less than that of the brightness, but you don't notice it unless you look for it, buy the same principle as the second cause of the castle effect. < 1150055460 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you brain assumes that the brighness boundaries correspond to the same set of objects as the color boundaries. < 1150055472 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sedimin_: dunno < 1150055486 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have any of you seen the evil smiley? < 1150055495 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like this < 1150055497 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::> < 1150055514 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Why is it evil?", I hear you ask. < 1150055525 0 :sedimin_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go on :) < 1150055537 0 :sedimin_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it reminds me shell prompt :/ < 1150055539 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if you pick a file, say foo.txt, the you execute the command < 1150055543 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::> foo.txt < 1150055556 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo.txt will be turned into an empty file! < 1150055563 0 :sedimin_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1150055610 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :: is the null command in bash < 1150055629 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Null command? You mean cat or the no-input-no-output program? < 1150055637 0 :sedimin_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deceptive ;) < 1150055675 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope_: cat is idenity < 1150055931 0 :tokigun!i=tokigun@sparcs45.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1150056049 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the "numeric" value of EOF, generally? < 1150056066 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there is such a thing < 1150056073 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um. < 1150056080 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. < 1150056086 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-1 is quite common < 1150056101 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But this language doesn't have a -1. < 1150056116 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah well. I'll have this cat program just ignore EOF, then. < 1150056203 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what language? < 1150056203 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1150056242 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pointy. < 1150056313 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't EOF 0 sometimes too? < 1150056322 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, for string data < 1150056341 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, then it is the end of a string, not a file, so it's not EOF < 1150056374 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right < 1150056376 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 for EOF would be convenient, as this language is more-or-less a souped-up Minsky machine. < 1150056397 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the pointy article doesn't say anything about the width of the memory cells. are you saying they can't be negative? < 1150056410 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They can be any non-negative number. < 1150056456 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the INP function read a byte, or a larger number? < 1150056479 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for ASCII its 4 I think. < 1150056494 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, just how values are input and output isn't defined. < 1150056513 0 :tokigun!i=tokigun@sparcs45.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1150056553 0 :sedimin_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1150056557 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if its returns a byte you could for instance define 256 as EOF < 1150056565 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep, you could. < 1150056572 0 :sedimin_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in windows it works with 255 (-1) < 1150056580 0 :sedimin_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC < 1150056593 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, but 255 /= -1. < 1150056601 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you're talking bytes here. < 1150056608 0 :sedimin_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, when I'm talking bytes < 1150056620 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, there is no -1 in Pointy anyway < 1150056627 0 :sedimin_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there is 255 < 1150056658 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but that should not be EOF, because the input might contain 255 < 1150056664 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Pointy memory doesn't hold bytes. < 1150056673 0 :sedimin_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1150056696 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just saying that there's no especially good way to store negative values in Pointy memory. < 1150056700 0 :sedimin_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was solving exactly this problem few days ago with omgrofl < 1150056733 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can say that an even number x represents x/2 and that an odd number y represents -(y+1)/2, but that's a bit "weird". < 1150056749 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EOF should be a number that INP will never return, except when the file is ended. If there is no such number you're out of luck ;) < 1150056752 0 :sedimin_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when the input of cat program was redirected from file, it worked - it terminated on the end of file < 1150056759 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There, your number line would be 9, 7, 5, 3, 1, 0, 2, 4, 6, 8... < 1150056778 0 :sedimin_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but when I input came from keyboard, and I tried to terminate output with ctrl+z, it did nothing < 1150056803 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, a nice way to do things is to have 0 represent EOF, then increment every actual character that goes in. < 1150056818 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would work < 1150056832 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some guys who have ASCII memorized would probably get annoyed, but who cares about them? :-P < 1150056857 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so immediately after you INP, you should always DEC. Then you automatically get a jump too on EOF < 1150056866 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If we're talking esolangs, if someone DOES have the ascii table memorized you SHOULD annoy them. < 1150056897 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ASCII table is irrelevant anyway when you're dealing with binary data < 1150056915 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An alternative to all this is just to let INP do a jump as well. < 1150056935 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is also a very good idea < 1150056966 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now you're thinking outside the box :) < 1150057064 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If memory cells are bounded, you can even have INC do a "failure jump". < 1150057108 0 :sedimin_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1150057185 0 :sedimin_!n=juraj@195.28.142.198 JOIN :#esoteric < 1150057450 0 :sedimin_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. is it Hello, world! or Hello, World? < 1150057464 0 :sedimin_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with capital W or without? < 1150057480 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without. < 1150057480 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1150057487 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but does it really matter....? < 1150057507 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The original was "HELLO WORLD" < 1150057513 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But usually it's "Hello, world!" now. < 1150057626 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to the 'pedia the original was "hello, world" < 1150057690 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*snaps* < 1150057695 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, whatever X-P < 1150057748 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's your favorite fixed-width fonts? < 1150057858 0 :sedimin_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Courier new < 1150057893 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never really liked Courier < 1150057962 0 :sedimin_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1150058012 0 :sedimin_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw - ihope - there can't be comments in Pointy? < 1150058014 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's sort of blocky. < 1150058026 0 :sedimin_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i happen to like the blockiness :) < 1150058043 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sedimin_: semicolons make nice comment markers, not that I myself like them :-P < 1150058053 0 :sedimin_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also like blocky smilies :] < 1150058075 0 :sedimin_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: but you did not mention it, did you? < 1150058082 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wildhalcyon: by Courier, do you mean Courier, or Courier New? < 1150058111 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sedimin_: well, I did use a comment or two in those example programs, didn't I? < 1150058220 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Umm, I guess both < 1150058238 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although to be honest, Im not entirely sure what the differences are. < 1150058302 0 :sedimin_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me show you < 1150058436 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, the suspense... < 1150058443 0 :sedimin_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)) < 1150058449 0 :sedimin_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forgot :_ < 1150058457 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1150058465 0 :tokigun!i=tokigun@sparcs45.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1150058489 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like this one: http://home.student.uu.se/j/jowi4905/fonts/ < 1150058510 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stay tuned for the exciting conlusion to this typographical thriller < 1150058582 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wildhalcyon: that one looks nice! < 1150058607 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its pretty easy to read too, which is handy for esolangs < 1150058642 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately it has lousy support for international characters.. :( < 1150058677 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it does < 1150058690 0 :sedimin_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1150058704 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah, "easy to read" and esolangs doesn't belong in the same sentence < 1150058706 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want a fixed-width font that has a tiny pixel box, and does every charachter in the BMP. < 1150058707 0 :sedimin_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so it happens, that I can't find original Courier font on my PC :) < 1150058722 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except for the chinese ones < 1150058725 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(maybe) < 1150058737 0 :sedimin_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it is somewhere in my win3.1 install somewhere < 1150058740 0 :sedimin_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1150058747 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW, Chinese chars are usually double-width. < 1150058758 0 :sedimin_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? < 1150058759 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1150058762 0 :sedimin_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never used them.. < 1150058768 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which a good terminal program can handle < 1150058772 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.dafont.com/mono-spatial.font < 1150058775 0 :sedimin_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.fonts.com/images/products/closeup/012277OPN.gif < 1150058777 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, urxvt can handle < 1150058779 0 :sedimin_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is courier < 1150058787 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and w3m can cope with double-with chars < 1150058788 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use DejaVu Sans Mono for my fixed-width needs. < 1150058828 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So why does Chinese have so many characters? < 1150058839 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they use logographs < 1150058855 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hunts for the really good explanition he found
< 1150058871 0 :sedimin_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know < 1150058878 0 :sedimin_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are many chinese people, so many characters < 1150058879 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To confuse and punish westerners < 1150058898 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deja Vu is nice too < 1150058905 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice enough for me to download at least :-D < 1150058906 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here is a really good expn: http://www.zompist.com/yingzi/yingzi.htm < 1150058937 0 :sedimin_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rafb.net/paste/results/9O4I2V92.html < 1150058942 0 :sedimin_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :->hello world in pointy < 1150058980 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hum. SV Basic Manual renders horribly in un-bold on my system :( < 1150058993 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, the use of pointers doesn't really make it any shorter, but that's a nice demonstration of how pointers work. < 1150059004 0 :sedimin_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1150059010 0 :sedimin_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was in my mind when writing it < 1150059154 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DejaVu is basically the Bitstream font, but with more characters. (Doesn't have CJK, but there's really no need to have them and latin-like letters in the same font, sensible systems can pick them up from other fonts if necessary.) < 1150059206 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If one happens to like 8x16 pixel fonts (as opposed to something that can be anti-aliased), there's that "unifont" thing, http://czyborra.com/unifont/ < 1150059413 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Oh, and I used the bitmap font from http://openlab.jp/efont/ before I realized that this computing device renders screenfuls of anti-aliased text (even with Freetype) fast enough; but it doesn't really have very large unicode coverage.) < 1150059530 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly about the only non-ISO-8859-1/15 letters I've used in IRC have been λ and ∈. < 1150059546 0 :sedimin_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1150059563 0 :sedimin_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8x16 fonts have their magic < 1150060709 0 :tokigun!i=tokigun@sparcs45.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1150061312 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1150061660 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :∈looks really ugly here, λ looks really nice, and everything else is sort of in-between. < 1150061710 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I expect whoever made the ∈ thing over here didn't really put much time into it :-P < 1150061875 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks rather out-of-place here too. < 1150061933 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say, I forgot I added a /partall command to my client. < 1150061964 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1150061975 0 :ihope_!n=foo@c-71-205-100-59.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1150061979 0 :tokigun!i=tokigun@sparcs45.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1150062204 0 :Keymaker!n=nobody@wire74.adsl.netsonic.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1150062228 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't believe how this prolan/m task can be done < 1150062284 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just can't figure out a way how to get the end result back to number form and print it out, yet avoid it starting the program again by matching the digits just like when started.. < 1150062358 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1150062360 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha! < 1150062369 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1150062369 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i just got it while i was writing my question :D < 1150062377 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1150062384 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1150062401 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, of course! < 1150062409 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm so stupid.. :D < 1150062560 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I concur. < 1150062564 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, what are we talking about? < 1150062573 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PROLAN/M? < 1150062607 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1150062608 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the way, what am I supposed to do if I want my Thue program to handle things that have ::= in them < 1150062620 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and such? < 1150062642 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't handle those on left side, < 1150062651 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can always convert ::= to something other < 1150062660 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as "aab" for example :) < 1150062663 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish my enter key weren < 1150062671 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'t so easy to press accidentally. :-P < 1150062674 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1150062803 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1150062806 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :help ps kill i eof flush show ls bf_txtgen usertrig daemon undaemon < 1150062808 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1l 2l adjust axo befunge bch bf{8,[16],32,64} fyb fybs glass glypho kipple lambda lazyk linguine malbolge pbrain rail rhotor sadol sceql trigger udage01 unlambda whirl < 1150062834 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf8 +.[+.] >:-) < 1150062838 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
 < 1150062848 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww. < 1150063659 0 :sedimin_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1150063896 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Bitte waehlen Sie eine Beerdigungnachricht" < 1150064191 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip68-231-173-86.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1150064297 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey calamari < 1150064308 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Keymaker < 1150064698 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1150066289 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip68-231-173-86.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1150066447 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep putting CRAWL off to try to devleop esolangs that are easier to write interpreters for < 1150066519 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CRAWL requires GUI stuff < 1150066533 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and probably some networking stuff < 1150066789 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1150066800 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm currently busy with this prolan/m.. < 1150066807 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still working on that? < 1150066816 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, its INFURIATING! < 1150066826 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1150066835 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad i haven't had much time yet, i've been "working" < 1150066858 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but finally have some spare time ;) < 1150066905 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm hoping to have something done this week. unless something bizarre happens < 1150066914 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something=this program < 1150066926 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go < 1150066928 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1150066931 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1150067001 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :currently i'm writing somekind of plan of the program and techniques i'm going to use. this program probably won't be that optimized, however < 1150067021 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldnt really know where to begin with optimization :-( < 1150067038 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, i'm happy just to get it working :) < 1150067044 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1150067477 0 :wildhalcyon_!n=chatzill@c-69-243-86-169.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1150067491 0 :wildhalcyon_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grrr. *curses* < 1150067521 0 :wildhalcyon_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate Java < 1150067557 0 :wildhalcyon_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its super slow and eats up enourmous resources doing just about nothing, then it freezes my browser. < 1150067572 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1150067588 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it doesn't sound too good < 1150067662 0 :wildhalcyon_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It needs to get replaced by something better. < 1150067681 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should eventually happen < 1150067774 0 :wildhalcyon_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, it appears that while my computer was freezing, I was having a conversation with myself on IRC. none of it is in the logs < 1150067942 0 :wildhalcyon_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my biggest issue with that problem right now is that there doesn't seem to be any way to tell when something has reached the "end" of the string on the left-hand side. So my solution always ends up with some garbage there < 1150068112 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :solution to what? < 1150068115 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prolan/m? < 1150068149 0 :wildhalcyon_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, the prolan/m addition problem < 1150068162 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a < 1150068559 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1150068840 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wildhalcyon_: remember, the proof that PROLAN/M is Turing-complete is a *constructive* proof. < 1150068861 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AHA! < 1150068867 0 :wildhalcyon_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean? < 1150068900 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if a pattern didn't match last time, then it;s not going to match this time, unless the new match are overlaps the most recent modification. < 1150068910 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wildhalcyon_: look at the wiki < 1150068934 0 :wildhalcyon_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh huh...? < 1150068938 0 :wildhalcyon_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :wildhalcyon < 1150069014 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is an explanation of how to prove it, referring to Thue (very similar), which can be shown to be turing-complete < 1150069043 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION types a long line outlining how to solve the problem
< 1150069055 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wait, waht's the input format and output format? < 1150069100 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :input: +=? (minus the <>) < 1150069113 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :output: += < 1150069122 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okaaaay < 1150069131 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should perhaps quit, i don't want to see any solutions :P < 1150069163 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, goodbye :) < 1150069168 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :step 1: write turing machine to solve problem < 1150069180 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1150069184 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :step 2: turn turing machine into set of PROLAN/M steps < 1150069191 0 :Keymaker!n=nobody@wire74.adsl.netsonic.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1150069197 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1150069198 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :step 2: turn turing machine into set of PROLAN/M steps < 1150069211 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1150069212 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, see, nothing to worry about keymaker < 1150069216 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1150069229 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my solution is: Step 1: Get Keymaker to do it < 1150069234 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, PROLAN/M is slightly more powerful than a TM; you can insert cells < 1150069235 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and my way is different, anyway ;) < 1150069238 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :d'oh! < 1150069300 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more powerful or not, it's a lot more difficult to program in than the turing tarpits i've seen < 1150069316 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ? is very useful as it allows the machine to tell the difference between a solved problem and an unolved problem < 1150069326 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1150069352 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what i realized a few hours(?) ago just when i was going to complain about it :D < 1150069361 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise this would be impossible < 1150069375 0 :wildhalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1150069387 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you turn the ? into a tape head, which looks like: [asdf], where asdf is the TM state. < 1150069443 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you turn each cell in the (extended) TM rule table into a transformation rule.