00:06:01 -!- calamari has joined. 00:27:45 -!- jix has quit ("Bitte waehlen Sie eine Beerdigungnachricht"). 01:21:50 Hahaha 01:21:57 WTF is with people using my languages. 01:22:01 All three mentioned in three days 8-D 01:22:08 We're nuts, that's all. 01:22:12 Which languages, BTW? 01:22:14 [Wait, didn't I write four? Oh yeah :P] 01:22:20 2L, FYB, ORK, Glass 01:22:25 Ah. 01:22:30 Nobody mentioned 2L, but it's a bit too much of a joke :) 01:22:39 BTW, ORK is freakin' nuts. 01:22:55 You're insane from writing it, aren't you? 01:22:55 Heheheh 01:23:16 There is such a thing as sanity. 01:23:22 There is such a thing as a person. 01:23:24 Gregor is a person 01:23:25 :P 01:23:40 (That wasn't quite valid code, but *shrugs*) 01:23:46 After I wrote Glass I sort of neglected ORK :P 01:25:50 Now looking at Glass. 01:25:58 I demand my brain back. 01:26:03 lol 01:26:07 That'll be $10,000,000 01:26:27 I'll sue you for it. 01:27:16 Gregor: about ORK. there seem to be a bug in the compiler 01:27:34 you can't have function names with spaces 01:27:47 Tragic. 01:27:51 :-P 01:27:54 hehe 01:28:00 I think that's documented somewhere actually. 01:28:04 I discovered it but didn't really care. 01:28:08 Patches gladly accepted. 01:47:32 * pikhq thinks of stuff for FBY. . . 01:47:38 [+], anyone? :p 01:47:49 Err. 01:47:53 [+!] 01:49:58 FYB you mean? 01:50:08 Go ahead and write something, and submit it to EgoBot. 01:50:11 We'll see if it beats logicex. 01:50:20 -!- CXI has quit (SendQ exceeded). 01:50:23 logicex = teh unbeatable! :P 01:50:31 Right. .k . 01:50:38 ^^ 01:50:41 What's logicex's code, anyways? 01:50:59 !help 01:51:02 help ps kill i eof flush show ls bf_txtgen usertrig daemon undaemon 01:51:04 1l 2l adjust axo bch bf{8,[16],32,64} funge93 fyb fybs glass glypho kipple lambda lazyk linguine malbolge pbrain rail rhotor sadol sceql trigger udage01 unlambda whirl 01:51:09 !help fyb 01:51:12 To use an interpreter: Note: can be the actual program, an http:// URL, or a file:// URL which refers to my pseudofilesystem. 01:51:27 Mmkay. 01:53:39 It's included in the package, isn't it? 01:53:54 +[:++++++++++++++!>;] 01:53:56 Well, it's here: http://www.befunge.org/fyb/fyb/exa/ 01:53:58 Ah. 01:54:57 !fyb http://www.befunge.org/fyb/fyb/exa/logicex-2.fyb http://pastebin.ca/raw/97730 01:55:01 Running... 01:55:02 -!- kipple has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 01:55:34 What do the x's and d's mean? 01:55:40 -!- AndrewNP has joined. 01:55:47 Erm, you just submit one, and it'll run it against all of the ones that are there. 01:55:52 Ah. 01:56:03 Well, what do the x's and d's mean? 01:56:29 x means that the program in question beat the program listed, d means it was a draw. 01:56:49 Hah! 01:56:59 It got a draw with logicex. 01:57:04 :( 01:57:10 Erm, wait 01:57:12 It had victory over everything else. 01:57:15 That's because you just submitted logicex ;) 01:57:30 18:54 97730 01:57:39 Hm 01:57:49 !fyb http://pastebin.ca/raw/97730 01:57:52 Now testing again. 01:57:53 Running... 01:57:55 Just to confirm. 01:58:01 Shoot O_O 01:58:18 It lost. 01:58:32 It may have been that when you put both on a line, it confused it :-P 01:58:33 So, something weird happened. 01:58:36 Yup. 01:58:36 Just submit one :) 01:58:41 I did. 01:58:47 I think what happened is it downloaded the first one, but then grabbed the name from the second one. 01:58:52 Yeah. 01:59:48 You'll note that logicex-2 is actually quite complex. 02:02:04 Incidentally, logicex-2 has been undefeated for more than a year now ... and that sucks :P 02:04:02 * pikhq thinks about something clever to do. . . 02:07:43 I think I'm going to have fun by making it commit all values, just to mangle the code (while also trying to find places to put bombs). 02:08:43 Probably won't do a damn thing, but I can't help but try. 02:09:27 Hmm. I wonder. . . 02:11:32 Can't hurt to try :) 02:11:43 Yeah. 02:12:09 Also trying to avoid any tight loops. 02:12:19 Which logicex-2 has a lot of. 02:13:15 X_X 02:13:20 I know. :p 02:13:41 To be fairly honest, I have no idea why logicex-2 works so well :) 02:13:44 Stupid? Yes. 02:13:49 Do I give a damn? No. 02:14:01 I'm liable to throw shit at it, just to see if it works. 02:14:06 *shrugs* 02:16:01 !fyb http://pastebin.ca/raw/97730 02:16:05 Running... 02:16:29 That sucked. 02:16:37 19:16 total points: -7 02:16:55 * pikhq needs something clever, which that wasn't 02:18:07 Look at it, and laugh. 02:18:43 Ah well. 02:18:59 I'll just devise the best way of not getting killed. . . 02:19:46 Hahahah 02:19:57 @+[++++++++++++++!] 02:19:59 Voila. 02:20:16 That prevents me from getting killed by killing mtself. :p 02:20:54 . . . Shit. 02:22:16 It doesn't, does it? 02:22:33 :@+[++++++++++++++!]; 02:22:43 There. 02:22:52 The suicidal maniac of FYB. 02:24:00 !fyb http://www.befunge.org/fyb/fyb/exa/retired/logicex-1.fyb 02:24:05 Let's see how that fares. 02:24:09 Running... 02:24:38 Meh. 02:24:58 [!], anyone? 02:25:01 Shit. 02:25:07 It borks. x_x 02:25:15 * pikhq shouldn't do a damned thing. 02:25:34 * pikhq thinks that [!] is valid code, and therefore loses. 02:25:44 * GregorR needs to reread the spec ... 02:26:03 !fyb http://www.befunge.org/fyb/fyb/README 02:26:06 Teeheehee. 02:26:07 Running... 02:26:15 Oh, well the problem with [!] is just that it's a tight loop *shrugs* 02:26:18 lol 02:26:40 -10! w00t! 02:26:45 It's the worst one yet! 02:27:18 It even got beaten by noop! 02:27:35 Now that takes skill. 02:27:38 -!- ihope has joined. 02:27:45 * ihope writes a parser for BF 02:29:30 It got beaten by nothing-1? XD 02:29:37 Must've defected and bombed itself. 02:29:37 +[:[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[>!]]]]]]]]]]]];] 02:29:40 Yup., 02:30:12 * pikhq is having too much fun with this, BTW. 02:31:21 !fyb http://pastebin.ca/raw/97730 02:31:25 Running... 02:31:51 My code really sucks. 02:34:40 !fyb http://pastebin.ca/raw/97730 02:34:49 Running... 02:35:44 So far, I've only managed to beat nothing. And that's simply because it doesn't defect. 02:35:55 ...I can't write such a simple parser, eh? 02:37:16 GregorR: You write something clever. 02:41:09 Well, this won't work. 02:41:39 A BF parser is ridiculously simple. . . 02:42:01 Says something about my programming abilities, doesn't it? 02:42:08 Let's see... I have String -> (BF, String), so... of course. 02:42:54 Think about it: each character corresponds to a function. How hard can it be? 02:43:17 [ and ] aren't just functions. 02:44:04 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 02:44:08 That's the only hard part. 02:47:00 I should just be using some parser library. 02:48:31 * ihope laughs over his 39 spaces in a row 02:51:12 * ihope realizes that pattern guards are quite nice 02:54:34 . 02:56:53 Hmm, [ is considered a valid program by this parser... I'll have to fix that. 02:58:53 -!- Sgeo has quit ("Ex-Chat"). 03:00:36 Oh. After this "fix", it's still a valid program... 03:01:16 * ihope scraps his parser and starts over using some fancy parser thingy 03:07:41 * GregorR thinks about FYB 03:12:52 -!- CXI has joined. 03:23:54 -!- AndrewNP has quit ("See ya!"). 04:28:06 -!- Arrogant has joined. 04:49:15 -!- ihope has quit ("Hey, everybody! 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I'm just going to do my Brainfuck compiler in it, just to learn ORK a bit. 17:22:05 Jeez. Compared to Brainfuck, ORK is almost elegant. ;) 17:22:30 "Its divine purpose in existance is to be the polar opposite of BrainFuck." 17:22:42 (From ORK's README) 17:23:57 in other words, a fitting language to write a brainfuck compiler in 17:24:40 Heh 17:24:47 * GregorR-W can't remember if there already is one 8-X 17:24:52 I know there's a Kipple interpreter ... 17:26:15 kipple: That's why I'm drawn on to do it. 17:26:25 Now, should it compile to C, or to Ork? 17:27:33 Hmmmmmmmm 17:27:37 How about to something entirely else? 17:27:45 Hmm. 17:27:50 Anything you have in mind? 17:27:52 >:D 17:27:59 8-D 17:28:01 Nope :P 17:28:02 I was thinking something esoteric. 17:28:19 Like Perl ;) 17:29:13 * pikhq is doing it with Pinky & the Brain references, just for the hell of it. . . 17:31:29 How's about compiling into 1337? 17:31:38 http://esolangs.org/wiki/L33t 17:33:26 Nah. Not insane enough. 17:34:36 Isn't there a 1-1 correspondence of BF-commands to 1337 commands? 17:34:58 Nope. 17:35:22 1337 is merely *inspired* by Brainfuck. . . By no means is there a 1-1 correspondence. 17:35:55 Still. . . 17:37:07 Ah, n/m then. 17:37:31 http://www.dangermouse.net/esoteric/bit.html 17:37:33 :p 17:38:41 anyone up for QM questions? 17:38:55 suppose i have a 2-bit register 17:39:19 with probability of |00> = 0.9, probability of |11> = 0.1 17:39:29 then i set the first bit to 0 17:39:38 what are the new probabilities for the system? 17:40:12 *brain explodes* 17:41:21 Is Tcl sufficiently esoteric? 17:44:06 Yes. 17:44:08 IMHO :) 17:45:08 * pikhq is a Tcl fan. . . 17:45:13 So, I'm compiling into Tcl. 17:45:15 Whee. 17:49:42 Hmmmm 17:50:14 Has calamari's ^ instruction on the BF minimalization page been shown not to limit the computational class? 17:50:58 Because that + memory mapped I/O = 3 instructions. 17:58:36 woohoo 17:58:40 i implemented observation 17:58:49 * GregorR-W is terrified. 17:59:30 Narf is to readOne Poit. 17:59:34 I'm having too much fun. 18:23:10 quantum mechanics is the final proof that God is an esoteric programmer 18:26:12 somebody answer my question dammit. 18:26:28 lament: If we could we would :P 18:26:54 Hrm. 18:27:03 I've got one problem here. 18:27:19 Is it possible to do getchar in Tcl? 18:30:19 My answer: Probably :P 18:30:44 I don't see a way to do so. 18:39:04 -!- GregorR-W has quit (Remote closed the connection). 18:42:53 -!- GregorR-W has joined. 18:43:01 Wooh, Firefox rocks, it's so stable! 19:22:21 -!- cmeme has quit (Remote closed the connection). 19:27:31 aaaaargh 19:27:33 i suck! 19:27:36 at mah! 19:27:38 math! 19:29:05 but i implemented setting bits :) 19:30:36 There shall be no complaining about one's ability at math while working with quantum mechanics. 19:30:39 It is forbidden. 19:31:50 well 19:31:53 i implemented setting bits 19:32:00 however i have no idea if i implemented it correctly or not. 19:32:07 (because i don't know enough QM) 19:34:53 -!- ihope_ has joined. 19:39:22 ihope_: You, sir, are EVIL. 19:45:33 You're not trying to write a quantum brainfuck interpreter, are you? 19:51:14 Nope. 19:51:17 lament is. 19:52:14 I'm just someone who saw your quantum Brainfuck, and am accusing you of being evil for it. 19:52:19 Oh 19:52:35 Okay, I'll make it seem a bit less evil. 19:54:00 And it's done. 19:56:21 ihope_: i think i wrote the interpreter 19:56:33 however i have no idea if it behaves correctly or not 19:56:51 Hmm... 19:56:53 ihope_: first for a while i thought it didn't 19:57:09 then i realized that it's CV, not CNOT, so i have no idea what the expected results of anything should be :) 19:57:40 so 19:57:44 i want some gates 19:57:52 Okay, just a second... 19:57:52 like classical OR, AND 19:57:58 implemented with CV and hadamard 19:58:25 i could find them myself but my linear algebra is a bit rusty :) 19:58:32 %!!% is a CNOT with the current qubit as the target and the one to the right as the control. 19:59:20 That can be cut in half to get %!% as half a CNOT. 19:59:48 so 20:00:20 >%<%!!% makes two qubits with opposite states 20:00:28 right? 20:00:35 Yep. 20:00:47 um 20:00:50 are you sure? 20:01:02 Yes. 20:01:05 fuck. 20:01:09 are you very sure? :) 20:01:24 because i'm getting two qubits with the same state 20:01:36 Are you starting with them initialized to |1>? 20:01:42 no, |0> 20:01:48 Initialize them to |1>. 20:01:56 that's not a quantum brainfuck feature. 20:02:04 oh wait 20:02:06 it is 20:02:09 hehe 20:02:13 why 1? 20:02:22 Because you can't be sure of anything if you start with 0. 20:02:54 You can't construct something that's simply a NOT gate; you have to do a controlled NOT with a 1. 20:03:34 huh 20:03:44 if the thing is "quantum-complete" 20:03:50 surely it ought to be possible to get a 1 from a bunch of 0s? 20:04:00 Hmm... 20:04:53 If you can get from something containing at least one |1> to something consisting entirely of |0>, you can do the reverse. 20:06:04 anyway, i changed it to be initialized to 1 20:06:28 woohoo! now they're in opposite states :D 20:06:48 Hmmmmmmmm ..... judging by how OSCon always works out, I think it would be logical to guess that if they had a "closed-source-con", the biggest booths would be GNU, KDE and the GNOME foundation. 20:07:52 ihope_: give me some qbf program that does something 20:08:09 i don't want to release the interpreter until i'm moderately sure it behaves somewhat correctly 20:08:14 lament: what, you think I've written one? :-P 20:09:28 Well, let me see if I can find something to test the interpreter with. 20:10:06 note that in my implementation, . observes the qubit 20:10:11 (and outputs '1' or '0') 20:10:44 just to keep it realistic... 20:11:20 "realistic" :P 20:12:48 GregorR-W: as in, "behaving within the laws of physics" 20:24:37 ...Now where'd qcl go? 20:24:52 I downloaded it, then it disappeared... 20:41:29 heh heh 20:41:59 Then I rm -rf /'ed, then everything disappeared... 21:01:45 -!- Razor-X has joined. 21:02:39 Hello? 21:02:45 goodbye! 21:02:51 Ah. 21:03:47 Adiaŭ vi ankaŭ, tamen. 21:04:03 Mmm. I had an idea for a contest of Esoteric languages. 21:04:32 do tell 21:04:35 * lament goes away 21:04:51 *sigh* 21:05:17 ihope_: Thou shalt pay attention. Thou shalt not design another evil language until you hath finished listening. 21:05:22 Well, since Esolangs are in general programmed by people who have some sufficient skill with logic/programming, why not make a contest in each of the major languages? 21:05:26 * ihope_ payeth attention 21:05:40 Yes, I hope you do too, ihope_. You and your new evil languages a'brewin' :P. 21:05:53 Major esolangs, that is. 21:06:05 INTERCAL, BF, *Funge, Unlambda, and Maleboge were the ones I was thinking of. (Feel free to add more.) 21:06:16 *cough* Glass :) 21:06:27 GregorR-W: Now that's just cruel. 21:06:27 (But I'm not biased) 21:06:33 Yeah, I didn't know how many people used/played with it, so *shrug*. 21:06:52 The idea was that, a group of us would vote on a set of projects for each language, while the Malbolge project would simply be ``the biggest and best program, and while it is a subjective idea, Malbolge is so hard to code in it's very hard to set any realistic goals.'' 21:06:56 !help 21:06:59 help ps kill i eof flush show ls bf_txtgen usertrig daemon undaemon 21:07:01 1l 2l adjust axo bch bf{8,[16],32,64} funge93 fyb fybs glass glypho kipple lambda lazyk linguine malbolge pbrain rail rhotor sadol sceql trigger udage01 unlambda whirl 21:07:02 ^ Those 21:07:12 All of 'em? Fine with me. 21:07:17 lol 21:07:21 Lambda being a pure subset of Lambda Calculus? 21:07:44 Anyhow.... 21:07:45 http://www.veling.nl/anne/lang/lambda/ 21:07:50 I think it is lambda calculus. 21:07:53 And no, I was kidding :P 21:08:18 People had to register beforehand (so that there's no cheating) for each language. On a certain date, we'll release all the project ideas. Then all the entries would be due on a certain date. Scoring would be based on A) Speed B) Size C) Comments (This is for learning purposes, after all) D) Technical Skill and E) Panache. You get extra points for submitting your entry early, but obviously that means you have less time to work on it 21:08:18 than others, so it's a double-edged sword. The entries would be run and voted by the entire comittee, and I wanted a sort of anonymous voting system (maybe coded in an Esolang? ;) where we would choose our entries, and the winner in each category would receive the respective award. 21:08:18 Maybe a FYB contest? 21:08:40 Well, as many as the judges have temerity to judge, and as many as the contestants want to program in. 21:08:45 Panache? 21:08:55 Presentation. Spiffy interface. 21:08:58 Goes a long way in Esolangs. 21:09:16 panache n 1: distinctive and stylish elegance 21:09:26 So we have to write something in some esolang, or what? 21:09:33 Legibility alone is an admirable goal for some of them. 21:09:44 Yeah. In an Esolang. 21:10:04 Stuff like implementing Shor's algorithm in QBF? 21:10:10 Yeah. 21:10:25 Or something more involved, user-oriented, whatever. The projects would be community voted. 21:10:41 *comittee voted. 21:13:25 Where community = committee :P 21:13:41 (This is a small enough community to be a committee in-and-of itself :P ) 21:13:41 Well.... I wanted the contestants to be seperated from the committee :P. 21:13:53 GregorR-W: Where'd main() go? 21:14:13 Where we're going, we don't need main()... 21:14:16 pikhq: When this program starts: 21:14:40 main() ? 21:14:45 GregorR-W: Yes. . . ork isn't outputting a main function. 21:14:55 pikhq: Pastebin? 21:15:52 How does it sound? Do we have enough time to dedicate to a project of masochism? 21:16:20 http://pastebin.ca/98726 21:16:30 http://pastebin.ca/98776 Sorry. 21:16:36 Time? 21:17:01 Well, the contest will span a certain number of days/hours/weeks/whatever. 21:17:15 pikhq: Not "when the", "when this" 21:17:19 Oh. 21:17:28 ORK's semantics are cruel :P 21:17:32 Just make it end whenever it's over. 21:18:17 Well, I want to set a definite date. The committee will unveil the projects for the registered contestants on day X, and then the projects are due on day Y. 21:18:22 For cheating's sake and whatnot. 21:19:05 Cheating like what? 21:19:23 http://pastebin.ca/98784 Finished. 21:19:43 You can cheat in lots of ways. Getting extra time on the project. The requirement for comments was added so that people don't build compilers to generate code in an esolang, and other things like that. 21:19:52 Using BFA instead of BF. 21:20:13 Completing and using C2BF :P 21:20:16 Or not. 21:20:20 Exactly :P. 21:20:26 BFA? 21:20:34 BrainF*** Assembly. 21:21:02 Well, isn't compiled code often of lower quality than hand-written code? 21:21:12 Significantly. 21:21:16 It's usually pretty noticeable. 21:21:33 But the judges have to take the time to go through it. 21:21:36 Now my compiler's complaining about stuff somehow getting cast to a int from a char pointer. I'm not telling it to. . . :/ 21:21:49