00:03:12 <ihope> Isn't IRC greatly public?
00:04:11 <GregorR-W> Isn't that conversation dead yet?
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03:02:29 <Razor-X> IRC isn't very public.
03:02:32 <Razor-X> It's highly impersonal.
03:02:45 <calamari> hi
03:02:51 <Razor-X> Hey-r.
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05:25:10 <RodgerTheGreat> g'night, everybody.
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05:25:33 <pikhq> Night.
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06:41:20 <thematrixeatsyou> h();
06:41:40 <Razor-X> No.
06:42:52 <pikhq> !hq9+ hq9+
06:42:55 <EgoBot> Huh?
06:43:01 <pikhq> No HQ9+?
06:43:06 <pikhq> !help
06:43:10 <EgoBot> help ps kill i eof flush show ls bf_txtgen usertrig daemon undaemon
06:43:11 <EgoBot> 1l 2l adjust axo bch bf{8,[16],32,64} funge93 fyb fybs glass glypho kipple lambda lazyk linguine malbolge pbrain qbf rail rhotor sadol sceql trigger udage01 unlambda whirl
06:43:25 <pikhq> Aaaw.
06:48:38 <thematrixeatsyou> h(); is huby
06:48:50 <thematrixeatsyou> hold on...
06:48:53 <Razor-X> .......
06:48:54 <Razor-X> Huby?
06:50:07 <thematrixeatsyou> back
06:50:13 <thematrixeatsyou> was keeping yellow river yellow
06:50:43 <Razor-X> Huh?
06:52:22 <thematrixeatsyou> http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Huby
07:03:22 <Razor-X> Why not name the language HelloWorld?
07:03:27 <Razor-X> Or HW?
07:03:30 <Razor-X> Or HelloW?
07:03:33 <Razor-X> Or H?
07:03:41 <Razor-X> Or Perl?
07:07:15 <thematrixeatsyou> there's Hello which is like HQ9+ except it's H.
07:07:38 <thematrixeatsyou> Hello is easy to convert to HQ9+
07:14:48 <thematrixeatsyou> gtg, ciao
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12:22:49 <Keymaker> hello.
12:24:53 <Keymaker> anyone know what could be the problem? i've written a sceql interpreter in C, but for some reason when i print ints pp and ql by using "printf("Program pointer: %i. Queue length: %i.\n"),pp,ql;", it prints out "Program pointer: 4198928. Queue length: 37814112." no matter what the values are
12:25:11 <Keymaker> and those definitely aren't the value, as far as i know
12:25:53 <Keymaker> wait.. i think i know now
12:26:23 <fizzie> Your ) is in the wrong place.
12:26:25 <Keymaker> hah, yeah
12:26:30 <Keymaker> i just fixed that a second ago :)
12:26:35 <Keymaker> but thanks anyways
12:26:38 <fizzie> I just looked at this a second ago. :p
12:26:41 <Keymaker> hehe
13:07:17 <Keymaker> btw, i redesigned my esolang page yesterday/tomorrow.. http://koti.mbnet.fi/yiap/index.php?page=index
13:08:03 <Keymaker> looks probably less horrible to those who didn't like the previous one. also, a lot easier to update as stuff is now read from text files.
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16:21:15 <GregorR-W> DAMN YOU PEOPLE IN THE NEXT CUBE DOWN SHUT THE F*** UP I HATE YOU WHY WON'T YOU DIE
16:21:21 <GregorR-W> I mean, hi everybody.
16:23:56 <Razor-X> See. IRC isn't public.
16:24:22 <Razor-X> I just got 936 kB/s on a torrent. I am happy.
16:24:29 <ihope> There's a lot of damning going on in #nethack, too.
16:24:38 <ihope> <twobitsprite> ihope: damn!
16:24:53 <ihope> <Arafangion> DAMN
16:24:54 <ihope> Etc.
16:25:06 <Razor-X> Can I say ``Darn!'' ?
16:25:22 <ihope> Sure.
16:25:59 <Razor-X> Awesome.
16:26:01 <Razor-X> Darn!
16:26:18 <GregorR-W> Piffle X_o
16:28:08 <pikhq> It could be if the guy in the next cube also was into Esolangs.
16:28:28 <GregorR-W> She's female, so we know she isn't :-P
16:29:55 * pikhq hands Razor-X a sledgehammer
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16:45:55 <ihope> Boom: now only I can change the topic of ##quantum.
16:52:14 <Razor-X> Next cube?
16:52:49 <GregorR-W> Razor-X apparently has not experienced the cubicle maze :P
16:53:30 <Razor-X> Aha.
16:53:38 <Razor-X> But why is pikhq in a cubicle?
16:53:46 <Razor-X> (That was my original question.)
16:54:21 <GregorR-W> ...
16:54:28 <GregorR-W> Razor-X also didn't read the context of that :P
16:54:36 <GregorR-W> Note my screaming message above :P
16:55:53 <kipple> anybody know who's behind the esolang contest? The article on the wiki just says contact "me" on #esoteric...
16:56:14 <ihope> Look in the history to see who put it there :-)
16:56:23 <kipple> just an IP address
16:57:00 <ihope> Oh...
16:57:07 * ihope headscratches
16:57:27 <GregorR-W> Razor-X <<<
16:57:52 <ihope> user-3cf84fq.dsl.mindspring.com...
16:58:04 <GregorR-W> ===Razor-X <n=user@user-11fa5b3.dsl.mindspring.com> “unknown”
16:58:12 <kipple> aha
16:58:25 <pikhq> 09:57 [freenode] -!- Razor-X [n=user@user-11fa5b3.dsl.mindspring.com]
16:58:25 <pikhq> 09:57 [freenode] -!-  ircname  : unknown
16:58:25 <pikhq> 09:57 [freenode] -!-  channels : #vhdl @##otaku #esoteric
16:58:25 <pikhq> 09:57 [freenode] -!-  server   : irc.freenode.net [http://freenode.net/]
16:58:25 <pikhq> 09:57 [freenode] -!-           : is identified to services
16:58:27 <pikhq> 09:57 [freenode] -!- End of WHOIS
16:58:40 <pikhq> Behold! The power of whois!
16:58:49 <ihope> Razor-X's IP address is currently 66.245.21.99...
17:00:05 <kipple> well then, Raxor-X, I have two questions for you
17:00:14 <kipple> When will the contest start?
17:00:24 <GregorR-W> And when will the contest end :P
17:00:25 <kipple> And why aren't you in the comittee?
17:01:15 <kipple> guess she's afk
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17:10:37 <RodgerTheGreat> good morning.
17:10:42 <pikhq> Morning.
17:19:09 <Razor-X> ハロウ! Interested in the contest, eh?
17:19:30 <Razor-X> I'll be away most of the day, since I'm watching something.
17:20:10 <Razor-X> I'm in the committee.
17:20:18 <Razor-X> I thought it understood that I'm already there.
17:20:32 <Razor-X> I'm going to try and get the miniscule committee to meet and decide on a date today. That's what I was hoping anyways.
17:20:45 <RodgerTheGreat> ok, where are we meeting?
17:20:49 <RodgerTheGreat> here?
17:20:56 <Razor-X> Are you the other committee member?
17:21:33 <RodgerTheGreat> http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/2006_Esolang_Contest#Committee
17:21:38 <RodgerTheGreat> :D
17:22:08 <Razor-X> ``Sex Addicts Needed -- For Romantic, Casual Relationship'' No.
17:22:34 <RodgerTheGreat> ?
17:22:58 <Razor-X> Sorry, I was reading off a very stupid ad.
17:23:05 <RodgerTheGreat> ah
17:23:20 <Razor-X> Wooh. You must've added your name in the last few days. No, I need to also take in account Claudio Calvelli.
17:23:36 <lament> ah, that kind of relationship.
17:24:02 <Razor-X> I don't know if lament is part of the committee, or just waiting for a coup d'etat.
17:24:27 * RodgerTheGreat shrugs
17:24:44 <Razor-X> Anyhow. I wish that guy had IRC, but oh well.
17:24:53 <RodgerTheGreat> it looks like we currently have enough people to actually hold the contest, though, so this is good.
17:25:10 <Razor-X> We have *lots* of participants, and that's good. I'm just worried if the committee can handle it.
17:25:27 <RodgerTheGreat> well, judging can take place over the course of several days.
17:25:33 <Razor-X> I guess it'll have to.
17:25:41 <GregorR-W> It'll be fine, 50% max will actually submit programs.
17:25:50 <GregorR-W> And I'm an optimist.
17:25:50 <Razor-X> When we announce the dates, we also have to assign people to their languages in a registration list.
17:25:53 <Razor-X> Heh.
17:25:59 <Razor-X> Yeah, that's true.
17:26:12 <RodgerTheGreat> I mean, I'm going to want to read up on any unusual languages used before I try to decide what kind of score a program should get.
17:26:35 <kipple> why not let people choose a language _after_ the tasks have been decided...
17:26:50 <Razor-X> Because then people get an unfair advantage.
17:26:57 <kipple> they do?
17:27:03 <kipple> why? it would be the same for all
17:27:05 <Razor-X> The goal is to keep people blinded about the task they will receive.
17:27:10 <kipple> ok. fair enough
17:27:25 <RodgerTheGreat> yeah- if it's "Make the smallest possible quine", everybody'll want to do it with HQ9+. :)
17:27:28 <kipple> but it will probably lead to fewer submissions
17:27:43 <Razor-X> It's like RodgerTheGreat said :P.
17:28:07 <Razor-X> When you choose to compete in a language, you are competing for *profficiency* at the language.
17:28:11 <RodgerTheGreat> also, there's the problem of people *creating* languages that are particularly suited to a task.
17:28:14 <kipple> I thought there were supposed to be separate tasks for each language. I
17:28:19 <Razor-X> That too.
17:28:38 <lament> May I comment on the whole contest thing.
17:28:43 <RodgerTheGreat> sure.
17:28:45 <lament> I think it kinda sucks a bit.
17:28:49 <Razor-X> There will be. The reason being that Task X maybe easy to code in Language A, while Task Y is a lot harder, but easier in Language B.
17:28:59 <lament> I think the Essies were really cool, and this contest won't be.
17:29:10 <Razor-X> When was the last time we had the Essies? ;)
17:29:18 <lament> A while ago :)
17:29:32 <RodgerTheGreat> I think we should have 5 or 6 different "tasks" and then award points for completing each one in your language.
17:29:43 <Razor-X> Hmmm. Maybe.
17:29:47 <Razor-X> That's not a bad idea.
17:30:20 <Razor-X> Gregor proposed to remove Malbolge from the list. Is that alright? Since if there's only one competitor, he will win by default.
17:30:49 <RodgerTheGreat> It worked like that at a programming competition I went to once- you could choose between C, VB, Java, etc, and then they gave you a pile of 12 challenges and a certain amount of time to work.
17:31:11 <lament> I think people are missing much of the point with this contest :(
17:31:23 <Razor-X> Hmmm?
17:31:28 <lament> Obfuscation is penalized?? WTF?!
17:31:38 <RodgerTheGreat> yeah, the problem is coming up with a fair way to reward working with harder languages and doing cool tricks.
17:31:42 <Razor-X> lament: The code is meant to be reusable.
17:31:51 <lament> right
17:31:58 <Razor-X> lament: I can make really hard to read BF code, or somewhat simpler BF code.
17:32:00 <kipple> lament: not every contest needs to be about obfuscation
17:32:29 <RodgerTheGreat> we could also go with the "science fair" model, by just letting people create a cool program of their choice that showcases their language, and then judge on quality and innovation.
17:32:33 <lament> it's an esoteric programming contest that tries very hard to not be an esoteric programming contest
17:32:48 <kipple> esoteric programming != obfuscation
17:32:52 <Razor-X> Exactly.
17:33:14 <RodgerTheGreat> this competition != IOCC.
17:33:38 * lament considers shooting the committee members before the revolution actually comes
17:34:04 * GregorR-W considers that lament has made no legitimate argument other than his opinion that esoteric programming == obfuscated programming
17:34:07 <lament> kipple: what's esoteric programming?
17:34:17 <lament> GregorR-W: that is not my opinion.
17:34:22 <kipple> programming in an esoteric programming language (IMHO)
17:34:43 <RodgerTheGreat> obfuscated programming *can* be esoteric, but esoteric languages are not inherently obfuscated.
17:34:52 <Razor-X> An esoteric programming language is a computer programming language designed to experiment with weird ideas, to be hard to program in, or as a joke, rather than for practical use.
17:35:10 <RodgerTheGreat> Razor-X sums it up well.
17:35:27 <Razor-X> I copied and pasted the Wiki definition :P.
17:35:39 <RodgerTheGreat> hm. that explains it.
17:35:40 <kipple> it's ok. its public domain ;)
17:35:55 <ihope> So you don't have enough committee members?
17:36:10 <lament> I believe "experimentation with weird ideas" is central to esoteric programming.
17:36:28 <Razor-X> Nope ihope.
17:36:28 <RodgerTheGreat> it looks the the committee currently consists of 4 people.
17:36:37 <Razor-X> I was hoping for 5-10.
17:36:58 <kipple> that's very unrealistic I think. Then there would hardly be anyone left to participate
17:37:12 <RodgerTheGreat> Razor-X: add yourself to the list, and then add a notice that says we're looking for that number.
17:37:20 <kipple> 4-5 is fine IMO
17:37:25 <Razor-X> We have like.... 15 contest members.
17:37:50 <RodgerTheGreat> if gregor is right (and I think he is) that means we're looking at roughly 6-7 submissions.
17:37:52 <kipple> lament: true, but I don't see why obfuscation necessarily has to be a part of it
17:37:54 <Razor-X> I added that I'm looking for 5-10, and I thought I'm implicitly part of the committee.
17:38:07 <lament> kipple: i never said obfuscation was necessary
17:38:26 <RodgerTheGreat> four people can easily handle 1-2 submissions each (or 7, if we're each looking at all of them).
17:38:28 <lament> kipple: this contest does not encourage experimentation with weird ideas. It encourages writing libraries.
17:38:44 <lament> kipple: obfuscation is in the spirit of esoteric programming; writing libraries is not
17:38:46 <kipple> you may be right, but until we see the actual tasks how can you know?
17:38:49 <ihope> "If you intend to join the committee you must have coding experience!"
17:38:55 <ihope> How much coding experience?
17:39:00 <lament> kipple: because that's what the page claims.
17:39:03 <Razor-X> Well uh.....
17:39:07 <Razor-X> Enough to work with BF programs.
17:39:16 <RodgerTheGreat> ihope: at least enough to write a BF interpreter.
17:39:36 <RodgerTheGreat> (not necessarily *in* BF)
17:39:50 <ihope> I guess I can do that.
17:40:12 <ihope> But why do I need coding experience? Just what'll I be doing?
17:40:23 <Razor-X> Looking at the code of the program?
17:40:25 <kipple> removing Malbolge will probably make joining the comittee less intimidating
17:40:39 <Razor-X> I mean, if you've never coded in your life..........
17:40:47 <pikhq> I say anyone who submits Malbolge wins by default.
17:40:50 <ihope> I've written a few things.
17:41:20 <RodgerTheGreat> kipple raises a good point- I'm not sure how qualified I'd be to cryptanalyze somebody's malbolge source. Even if it was Dis, I'd have some difficulty.
17:41:36 <Razor-X> Oh. I forgot to add in that clause.....
17:42:01 <Razor-X> I wanted to add that Malbolge programs will be judged only on ``Wow''-ness, and no task will be given for Malbolge programs.
17:42:12 <RodgerTheGreat> good idea.
17:42:59 <RodgerTheGreat> If someone submits a BF interpreter written in malbolge, they will not only win by default- I shall worship them as a god.
17:43:10 <Razor-X> Precisely.
17:43:33 <RodgerTheGreat> say something about bonus points for proving turing completeness in an unconfirmed language.
17:44:01 <Razor-X> Wait. Are we going to allow any language to enter?
17:44:36 <RodgerTheGreat> well, do you want this to be "science-fair style", or "challenge based"?
17:44:44 <Razor-X> Mmmm.....
17:44:55 <kipple> the wiki article is challenge based
17:44:55 <Razor-X> Let's take a vote, miaj kunlaboraj amikoj.
17:45:05 <RodgerTheGreat> say that in english.
17:45:14 <Razor-X> My fellow commitee member friends.
17:45:18 <RodgerTheGreat> ah
17:45:52 <pikhq> Woohoo! I understood Razor's Esperanto!
17:46:07 <Razor-X> Bona.
17:46:11 <RodgerTheGreat> I vote for "Science Fair", because it'll allow people to be creative and push boundaries in their favorite languages.
17:46:14 <Razor-X> Anywho, let's vote.
17:46:18 <pikhq> Jes. :D
17:46:19 <Razor-X> I'll stay neutral here.
17:47:06 <Razor-X> How about... you have 30 minutes to vote, ne?
17:47:21 <RodgerTheGreat> sounds fair.
17:47:26 <Razor-X> So we can compensate for afk/brb/bbiab/bbias/random-away-acronym-ness.
17:47:29 * GregorR-W votes challenge.  Easier to judge.
17:47:32 <ihope> 30 minutes from... wait, what?
17:47:37 <GregorR-W> Actually, wait ...
17:47:40 <GregorR-W> I may retract that :P
17:47:52 <lament> maybe a day rather than 30 minutes?
17:47:57 <Razor-X> 30 minutes from now to vote whether you want a Science Fair style competition or a Challenge based competition.
17:47:59 * ihope welds GregorR-W's vote into place
17:48:02 <Razor-X> A day?
17:48:06 <lament> what's the rush?
17:48:08 <Razor-X> Alright, a day then.
17:48:15 <lament> use the topic to keep the interim vote
17:48:30 <Razor-X> Can someone add this into the Proposed Rule Changes heading in the Wiki.
17:48:32 <Razor-X> *?
17:48:49 <GregorR-W> Yes.  You.
17:48:57 <Razor-X> Thank you very much :P.
17:51:10 <ihope> What if "science fair" is just one of the tasks assigned?
17:51:32 <RodgerTheGreat> hm. like half and half point basis or something?
17:52:15 <ihope> Write an iterating quine, write a Thue interpreter, write anything?
17:52:19 <Razor-X> Done.
17:52:43 <Razor-X> Votes will be due by 18:00 Aug. 10th, UTC.
17:53:02 <Razor-X> Errr... 19:00 even.
17:53:04 <RodgerTheGreat> ihope: it might make the competition more balanced, but the rules/judging could get really complex.
17:56:27 * pikhq is doing a little talk about esolangs at the LUG next week, BTW. . .
17:56:41 <RodgerTheGreat> LUG?
17:56:50 <pikhq> Linux User Group.
17:56:53 <RodgerTheGreat> oh
17:57:23 <ihope> Would there be multiple tasks in each language otherwise?
17:58:29 <RodgerTheGreat> if we went with "Science Fair", we could post some suggested tasks if people were having trouble coming up with ideas, I guess.
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18:00:18 <RodgerTheGreat> hi
18:00:38 <ihope> If they would have trouble coming up with ideas, then sticking with goals would probably be a good idea.
18:02:06 <RodgerTheGreat> hm.
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18:24:51 <RodgerTheGreat> oh, Razor-X- I was looking at your addition to the wiki. I think you meant "...Instead, the *contestants* will decide on a set of tasks and present those..."
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18:24:57 <RodgerTheGreat> want me to change it?
18:26:53 <RodgerTheGreat> well, bbl.
18:27:23 <Keymaker> i agree with lament
18:28:46 <Keymaker> that writing obfuscated code shouldn't lower points, for instance
18:28:58 <Keymaker> and that this competion doesn't allow much creativity
18:31:08 <Keymaker> code that anyone can easily use is not very esoteric :)
18:32:55 * GregorR-W deletes the Brainfuck Algorithms page.
18:32:58 <GregorR-W> That page is for pussies.
18:33:10 <Keymaker> well, yeah
18:37:35 <Keymaker> i guess you would like esoteric programming to be nothing but having a translator for each language that converts C to that language.. :P seriously, an esolang competition entry isn't supposed to be reusable or easy to understand, you can't deny that. and even more seriously, i wonder why i'm even writing this. :)
18:43:12 <Keymaker> and, i second the idea of having the same tasks for all languages, in case that proposed rule change at esowiki meant that.
18:44:54 <GregorR-W> Hm, lemme see if I understand this ...
18:45:38 <ihope> I think it meant that contestants could submit whatever sorts of things they wanted.
18:45:48 <GregorR-W> <Keymaker> The contest will suck, it's a bad idea.  And yet I choose to support a proposed rule change that makes it less like I say it should be.
18:45:49 <ihope> As long as it's readable and all that, of course.
18:50:44 <Keymaker> i'm sorry gregorr, i probably was out of my mind for a few seconds. i can't find anything indicating you'd support the reusability and non-obfuscated idea
18:53:15 <Razor-X> The Proposed Rule Changes heading is there for a reason. Not so that this turns into a committee brawl :P.
18:54:08 <GregorR-W> This contest is not about obfuscated code.  There have been enough contests about obfuscated code.  I like the concept of it /not/ being about obfuscated code.
18:54:16 <GregorR-W> There's nothing wrong with obfuscated code, but there are other things out there.
18:54:33 <Keymaker> hmm. so, what do you want to see?
18:54:33 <Razor-X> Yeah. Exactly.
18:54:48 <Razor-X> Obfuscation is not the same thing as Esoteric.
18:55:11 <Keymaker> i know, but it has always been rather close to it, mostly due nature of many langs
18:55:31 <Razor-X> Which is also why I think turing tarpits are getting a bit annoying.
18:55:36 <Keymaker> and to get a shortest code, as often in esolang related competition, requires clever obfuscation
18:55:46 <Razor-X> The shortest code *without* obfuscation.
18:56:08 <Keymaker> but obfuscation is what makes esolangs so good......
18:56:11 <Razor-X> In normal code, if you can use an && in an if condition instead of two if's, it's more concise, while not being obfuscated.
18:56:29 <Keymaker> (ok, there are other things too..)
18:56:38 <Keymaker> oh well..
18:56:38 <Razor-X> Why not call it the Obfuscated Languages then?
18:56:49 <ihope> if a then if b then c else d else if e then f else g
18:56:49 <lament> You people are sooo missing the point :(
18:56:53 <lament> it almost makes me cry
18:57:13 <Razor-X> Fine. Lament :P.
18:57:46 * ihope shoots Razor-X slightly
18:58:00 <Razor-X> Hey... it's not alright to hit/harm a girl.
18:58:02 <lament> it's not about obfuscation
18:58:10 <lament> it's about this contest not being in the spirit of esoteric programming
18:58:24 <GregorR-W> Specifically?
18:58:30 <Razor-X> Well... it seems the community is at a split about this universal spirit ;).
18:59:07 <lament> specifically, it seems to encourage mundane things like 'readability' and not esoteric things like 'fun'
18:59:16 <lament> very much unlike the Essies.
18:59:19 <Keymaker> yes
18:59:23 <ihope> Isn't it fun to write readable code, sortA?
18:59:28 <Keymaker> nope
18:59:47 <Razor-X> What's the difficulty in writing unreadable code? :P.
18:59:49 <lament> ihope: fun, but not esoteric.
19:00:05 <GregorR-W> So, esoteric == unreadable?
19:00:06 <lament> Compare and contrast with the Essies
19:00:08 <ihope> Well, hey, maybe this contest just isn't about being esoteric, eh?
19:00:16 <GregorR-W> Or rather, esoteric.find(unreadable) != esoteric.end()
19:00:16 <ihope> GregorR-W: pretty much, yeah.
19:00:22 <Razor-X> How about this being a Non-esoteric contest for the competition of esoteric languages?
19:00:32 <lament> Razor-X: yes. that's exactly what it is.
19:00:47 <Razor-X> I think there've been enough esoteric contests.
19:01:06 <Keymaker> hm.
19:01:07 <GregorR-W> Oy >_<
19:01:09 <Razor-X> In languages where the very nature *is* to be esoteric, isn't the difficulty to make it non-esoteric?
19:01:39 <lament> GregorR-W: I said at least three times that this has nothing to do with obfuscation
19:01:55 <lament> GregorR-W: and everything with the intent
19:02:13 <GregorR-W> I haven't said "obfuscation" in quite a few minutes ...
19:02:20 <lament> The intent of the Essies was wacky esoteric fun. The main task was "the most entertaining toy/language"
19:02:35 <Razor-X> Well... who's stopping the Essies?
19:02:49 <Keymaker> good question :)
19:02:57 <Razor-X> (.... Other than a lack of community awakeness ....)
19:03:00 <lament> nobody, i'm simply lamenting the state the esoteric community is in :)
19:03:08 <Keymaker> hehe
19:03:11 <Razor-X> Heh.
19:03:32 <Keymaker> well, i agree with lament, i'd like to see an Essie
19:03:49 <lament> if we had essies now, they would likely tank due to lack of participation
19:04:00 <Keymaker> can be
19:04:25 <Keymaker> be back soon.
19:04:54 <lament> (and where's cpressey anyway? i heard he's working at google and all, but why would that stop him from coming here?)
19:16:53 <RodgerTheGreat> back
19:16:56 <RodgerTheGreat> woah.
19:17:10 <RodgerTheGreat> I'm missin' out on a lot of discussion.
19:17:39 <GregorR-W> RodgerTheGreat: The summary: <A> Complain complain complain.  <B> Retort retort retort.
19:17:59 <RodgerTheGreat> ah, ok. thanks for bringing me up to speed.
19:18:08 <GregorR-W> :P
19:18:10 <RodgerTheGreat> are the retorts winning?
19:18:28 <Keymaker> i guess nothing changed, in the end
19:18:30 <GregorR-W> Nobody's winning.
19:18:37 <GregorR-W> Everybody loses.
19:18:41 <Keymaker> hehe
19:18:43 <RodgerTheGreat> hm. sounds like most internet arguments.
19:18:56 <GregorR-W> NOBODY LIKES ME EVERYBODY HATES ME GUESS I'LL GO EAT WORMS.
19:19:09 <Keymaker> hey, give me some of those!
19:19:18 <RodgerTheGreat> "Arguing on the internet is like competing in the special olympics- even if you win, you're still retarded"
19:27:17 <Keymaker> does anyone know any wiki that's easy to install?
19:29:00 <ihope> Install, pah.
19:29:13 <Keymaker> or get to work..
19:29:21 <Keymaker> i don't care about installing
19:29:31 <Keymaker> whatever is correct word..
19:30:06 <GregorR-W> Keymaker: Giki
19:30:12 <GregorR-W> http://giki.sourceforge.net/
19:30:24 <GregorR-W> (The preceeding has been a paid advertizement for Giki)
19:30:34 <Keymaker> heh
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20:47:25 * ihope waits patiently
20:48:55 * ihope waits patiently for someone to ask what he's waiting for
20:49:54 * RodgerTheGreat considers asking ihope what he's waiting for.
20:50:06 * GregorR-W encourages RodgerTheGreat not to ask ihope what he's waiting for.
20:51:03 * RodgerTheGreat considers GregorR-W's advice upon considering asking ihope what he's waiting for.
20:51:29 * ihope considers telling RodgerTheGreat what he's waiting for despite not being asked
20:51:41 * ihope decides against it
20:51:46 * GregorR-W considers killing anyone who hears what ihope is waiting for.
20:52:09 * ihope considers considering telling GregorR-W what he's waiting for
20:52:19 * RodgerTheGreat considers piercing his eardrums to avoid invoking GregorR-W's wrath.
20:52:40 * ihope decides not to tell anybody what he's waiting for, even if asked
20:53:02 <GregorR-W> ihope: What are you waiting for?
20:53:27 * ihope threatens GregorR-W with /ignorance
20:53:50 <GregorR-W> !glass {M[m(_o)O!"ihope: What are you waiting for?"(_o)o.?]}
20:53:53 <EgoBot> ihope: What are you waiting for?
20:54:18 * ihope gasps
20:54:20 <ihope> Gasp!
20:55:31 * RodgerTheGreat  's third-person narrative meter pegs and starts emitting smoke.
20:56:41 <ihope> You can just disable CTCP...
20:57:46 <ihope> ...or can you?
20:57:48 <ihope> >:-D
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21:07:57 <GregorR-W> I get the feeling that some wikipedia article(s) is/are about to be deleted.
21:08:03 <GregorR-W> I don't know where I got that premonition from.
21:08:25 <GregorR-W> Some article(s) related to esoteric programming, even.
21:09:34 <ihope> Which ones?
21:10:02 <GregorR-W> I have no idea, but I'll bet ivan`!ivan@wikipedia/ivan knows :P
21:11:46 <ihope> That's i=ivan, there, not just ivan...
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21:11:52 <ihope> How'd he do that, eh?
21:12:00 <GregorR-W> I believe that has to do with whether you're identified.
21:12:16 <ihope> I'm identified.
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21:13:06 <GregorR-W> Maybe it has to do with whether you're Incredibly-hax0rish or a Newbie.
21:14:09 <ihope> Or maybe whether your ident daemon is working?
21:14:33 <GregorR-W> Possible.
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22:08:12 * ihope flips the status of Schoedinger's Cat in the topic of ##quantum back and forth a few times
22:09:03 <RodgerTheGreat> does that really make much of a change?
22:09:41 <GregorR-W> It's dead according to /list
22:10:36 <RodgerTheGreat> but determining it's status as dead could've affected the outcome.
22:19:40 * lament cries
22:20:28 <RodgerTheGreat> ?
22:20:29 -!- ChanServ has set channel mode: +o lament.
22:20:35 <ihope> Uh...
22:20:38 <lament> :P
22:20:47 * ihope runs away
22:20:57 <RodgerTheGreat> watch where you're pointing that +o, man.
22:20:59 * lament wonders what random mode to set
22:21:12 -!- lament has set channel mode: -c.
22:21:16 <lament> no... that's TOO evil
22:21:21 <RodgerTheGreat> :S
22:21:31 -!- lament has set channel mode: +c.
22:21:35 -!- lament has set channel mode: +o ihope.
22:21:52 <lament> I BLAME IHOPE!! I"M NOT RESPONSIBLE!!!
22:21:53 <ihope> Um, you just turned off the color filter, and on again...
22:21:54 -!- lament has set channel mode: -o lament.
22:22:16 * ihope thinks for half a second, then points the gun at RodgerTheGreat
22:22:27 <RodgerTheGreat> :o
22:22:34 -!- ihope has set channel mode: +o RodgerTheGreat.
22:22:36 -!- ihope has set channel mode: -o ihope.
22:22:42 <RodgerTheGreat> *cool*
22:23:00 <lament> @ means 'terminate'
22:23:07 <lament> at least in Befunge it does.
22:23:23 <ihope> In NetHack, @ is usually you.
22:23:30 <ihope> Therefore, you are RodgerTheGreat.
22:23:43 <lament> no, in Nethack @ is usually the wizard of yendor
22:23:54 <ihope> If you're playing the Wizard of Yendor, yes.
22:24:05 <ihope> Or there are lots and lots of him.
22:24:24 <RodgerTheGreat> I thought "The Amulet of Yendor" was the goal in rogue.
22:25:10 <ihope> Getting it and getting out, I think.
22:25:18 <RodgerTheGreat> well, yes.
22:25:20 <lament> amulet shmamulet. the goal is to polymorph into a grid bug.
22:25:42 <RodgerTheGreat> lament: that's really more of a side quest.
22:29:11 <ihope> So what happens if you try to join ##quantum now?
22:30:30 <lament> i'm banned.
22:30:37 <lament> and too lazy to unban myself.
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22:33:46 <RodgerTheGreat> hi
22:34:20 <Razor-X> Hey-n.
22:41:25 <pikhq> The goal is to not die so quickly that you don't even get to figure out these "side quests" of which you speak (I suck at nethack).
22:42:14 <Razor-X> Start out with an easier race/class combination then.
22:43:03 <pikhq> Like?
22:43:24 <Razor-X> Valkyrie/Rogue? Valkyrie/Warrior ?
22:43:43 <ihope> Valkyrie is a class, not a race.
22:43:46 <lament> Razor-X: obviously you have never played Nethack.
22:43:51 <ihope> And there's no Warrior class.
22:43:57 <Razor-X> Blah.
22:44:07 <Razor-X> Whatever the Warrior class is then :P.
22:44:17 <lament> Razor-X: Valkyrie.
22:44:21 <Razor-X> Heh.
22:44:28 <Razor-X> Oh, err.... Blah.
22:44:37 <Razor-X> Valkyrie/Human bleh.
22:44:55 <Razor-X> I haven't played a different character in like... a year.
22:46:28 <lament> do you play on NAO?
22:46:29 <Razor-X> Vampires are fun but hard. But only Slash'Em. I wasn't that big a fan of Nethack, (but I ascended once, so whatever) but before I tried Slash'Em I prefered the Moria-derivatives.
22:46:38 <Razor-X> Nope. I dun play anywhere but locally.
22:46:54 <lament> I see.
22:50:55 * pikhq died hallucinating
22:51:11 <Razor-X> 99% of the time I die hungry :P.
22:51:19 <Razor-X> Stupid Vampires, heh.
22:51:27 <pikhq> I eat the corpses. >:D
22:51:38 <Razor-X> I *have* to eat the corpses.
22:51:49 <Razor-X> Vampires can't eat rations or anything like that, and can only suck blood from the corpses.
22:51:53 <pikhq> I. . . I. . . I killed my kitten! HOW?!?
22:52:05 <Razor-X> If you don't suck the blood from your fallen enemy in one turn, it coagulates.
22:52:34 <pikhq>  No  Points     Name                                                   Hp [max]
22:52:37 <pikhq>   1        770  pikhq-Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha died in The Gnomish Mines on
22:52:40 <pikhq>                 level 3.  Killed by a hallucinogen-distorted gnome.     -  [20]
22:52:43 <pikhq> You see? I suck.
22:52:50 <Razor-X> Nethack has mines on level 3?
22:52:53 * Razor-X cannot remember.
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23:28:32 <{> Well, it's not "very" valid, but at least it's sort of valid.
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23:43:17 <GregorR-W> OK, taking votes: When/if I add script support to DirectNet, what shoul the [first?] supported language be?  On the table are at least Python, Lua and Perl.
23:45:21 <ihope> DirectNet?
23:45:44 <ihope> The directnet.us DirectNet?
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23:45:48 <GregorR-W> ihope: http://directnet.sourceforge.net/
23:46:05 <GregorR-W> Maybe I need to change the name to a less overloaded namespace :P
23:46:36 <ihope> YouNet?
23:46:39 <ihope> MeNet? UsNet?
23:46:51 <GregorR-W> Yeah, those are sure to be FAR less overloaded.
23:47:02 <ihope> HimNet, HerNet, ItNet, ThemNet?
23:47:18 <ihope> ThemNet is hardly used at all.
23:47:34 <GregorR-W> Google: "Did you mean: the net"
23:48:06 <ihope> Hmm...
23:48:47 <ihope> I think you'd have to settle for something that's not descriptive, eh?
23:49:13 <GregorR-W> OK, the vote is not on the name :P
23:53:53 <GregorR-W> Woah, wtf?
23:54:00 <GregorR-W> Does RodgerTheGreat have ops or is my client fegged?
23:55:20 <GregorR-W> Aha, found it in the logs.
23:55:22 <GregorR-W> lol, weird.
23:58:54 <ihope> ChanServ ops lament, lament ops me, lament deops himself, I op RodgerTheGreat, I deop myself...