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14:35:42 <SimonRC> j0
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15:58:28 <SimonRC> hi
15:58:31 <calamari> hi
15:59:00 <pikhq> 'Lo.
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16:13:47 <SimonRC> hi *2
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17:08:06 <tgwizard> hi everyone
17:08:21 <tgwizard> n.nfshost.com/1.html
17:09:00 <tgwizard> SimonRC, did you post a link to that "game" about two nights ago?
17:15:48 <tgwizard> anyone there?
17:16:31 <SimonRC> tgwizard: yeah
17:16:32 <SimonRC> I did
17:16:51 <SimonRC> It took me 1/2 to 1 hour
17:21:44 <tgwizard> you said that you needed some CLI-tools
17:21:47 <tgwizard> right?
17:22:36 <tgwizard> how many pages did you "complete"?
17:22:42 <SimonRC> all of them, up to 30
17:23:26 <SimonRC> A search engine woul be very helpful for one of them.
17:23:34 <SimonRC> where are you stuck?
17:23:43 <tgwizard> search engine as in google?
17:23:47 <SimonRC> yeah
17:23:48 <tgwizard> page 16
17:24:01 <SimonRC> /msg me the URL
17:25:40 <tgwizard> did I /msg it right?
17:25:40 <SimonRC> :-S
17:25:47 <tgwizard> (never done it before :D)
17:27:06 <jix> i don't get 13...
17:27:40 <SimonRC> jix: /msg me
17:27:47 <jix> no i'll get it myself
17:28:42 <SimonRC> I meant send me the URL so I can see where you are stuck
17:28:49 <SimonRC> for my interest
17:29:14 <jix> but i'll stop here
17:29:36 <SimonRC> jix: What nationality are you?
17:29:41 <jix> german
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17:31:45 <SimonRC> clog_: hi
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17:34:15 <fr34k> hi
17:34:37 <SimonRC> hi
17:34:56 <SimonRC> some of us are doing n.nfshost.com/1.html
17:35:11 <fr34k> wich is?
17:35:27 <SimonRC> a sereis of 30 puzzles
17:35:41 <fr34k> um
17:35:42 <fr34k> ok
17:36:04 <SimonRC> each is on its own page, and you have to work out the URL fo the next page from the contents of the current page
17:36:22 <fr34k> mhm
17:36:23 <fr34k> ok
17:36:31 <fr34k> cant do that right now though
17:36:42 <SimonRC> knowing a little about how web pages work helps in two of the puzzles.
17:36:49 <fr34k> ok
17:36:59 <fr34k> but im gonna format some of my drives on my server
17:38:59 <fr34k> im already at 9th :P i think..sept is the ninth huh?
17:40:35 <SimonRC> pages 18 and 28 (IIRC) are *evil*
17:40:46 <fr34k> ok
17:41:40 <fr34k> i cant get past the one saying 'sept' :P
17:41:56 <SimonRC> Where do you live?
17:42:02 <fr34k> sweden
17:42:03 <fr34k> why?
17:42:05 <SimonRC> hmm
17:42:34 <fr34k> why?
17:42:46 <SimonRC> what subjects are you doing at school and what year are you in?
17:42:50 <tgwizard> well, i live in sweden and I made past 7
17:43:37 <fr34k> im 9th year of school..
17:43:44 <fr34k> isnt sept short for september?
17:43:55 <SimonRC> fr34k: I think you are on the 7th puzzle
17:44:10 <fr34k> i dunno
17:44:17 <SimonRC> as you have found out, that is not the meaning of "sept" for that question
17:44:23 <fr34k> no
17:44:27 <fr34k> its not september
17:44:42 <fr34k> hm
17:44:47 <fr34k> a clue perhaps?
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17:46:50 <SimonRC> Formally: you must find a function that turns 7 into "sept", then apply that function to 8 to help find the URL of the next question.
17:46:59 <fr34k> yeh
17:47:03 <fr34k> i know that much
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17:47:16 <SimonRC> I have no idea how to hint to you what that function *is*, without just telling you.
17:47:25 <SimonRC> !
17:47:28 <EgoBot> Huh?
17:47:45 <SimonRC> EgoBot: indeed, "huh?"
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17:47:55 <SimonRC> hmm
17:48:02 <SimonRC> To repeat myself...
17:48:05 <boblol> but i cant associate sept with 7 :P
17:48:06 <SimonRC> I have no idea how to hint to you what that function *is*, without just telling you.
17:48:17 <boblol> nah
17:48:21 <boblol> im just gonna think some more
17:48:29 <boblol> if that will help :P
17:48:39 <SimonRC> I suspect not
17:48:41 <boblol> cuz i really cant see wehre sept has to do with 7
17:49:22 <SimonRC> The author is making a reference to a look-up table from numbers to strings that he assumes everyone will know the beginning of.
17:49:48 <boblol> what the?
17:49:52 <boblol> i didnt get a word :P
17:50:11 <boblol> since it didnt was september, i have no clue
17:50:15 <SimonRC> This look-up table is reasonably well-known in England, but probably less-so in Sweden.
17:50:22 <boblol> aha
17:50:23 <boblol> ok
17:50:42 <SimonRC> hmm
17:50:51 <boblol> wait
17:50:58 <boblol> sept is 7 in another language?
17:51:09 <SimonRC> boblol: yes
17:51:21 <boblol> oh so im known as boblol now? great
17:51:23 <boblol> stupid net
17:51:26 <boblol> but ok
17:51:56 <SimonRC> Just use /name fr34k to change back, then
17:52:08 <boblol> yeh
17:52:13 <SimonRC> I mean /nick
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17:52:36 <SimonRC> and don't give out too many clue on-channel
17:52:38 <boblol> but i just found out, that 111, wich the document is called, is also 7 in the binary system
17:52:39 <SimonRC> *clues
17:52:47 <boblol> ok
17:52:53 <SimonRC> boblol: correct
17:53:16 <boblol> hm
17:53:23 <boblol> then i just need to sort out how it would be in 8
17:53:29 <SimonRC> nonono
17:53:36 <boblol> oh
17:53:37 <boblol> i know
17:53:38 <boblol> :P
17:53:47 <boblol> no i didnt
17:53:51 <boblol> :(
17:54:00 <SimonRC> binary for 8 is 1000, but that is nothing to do with anything
17:54:14 <boblol> ok
17:54:44 <boblol> found out :P
18:03:01 <boblol> hey how do i register nick now again?
18:03:32 <SimonRC> start with /msg nickserv help
18:03:59 <SimonRC> futher commands can be typed into the result new window/tab.
18:04:02 <boblol> cuz SimonRC: i sent you some pm's but couldnt cuz my nick wasnt registered
18:04:05 <SimonRC> (probably)
18:04:11 <SimonRC> boblol: ah, ok
18:04:15 <boblol> :P
18:04:28 <SimonRC> someone alread took "fr34k", BTW
18:04:37 <boblol> on this server?
18:05:48 <SimonRC> this network
18:06:25 <SimonRC> individal servers don't matter much in IRC, the network is what matterss
18:06:36 <boblol> ok, cuz i registered the nick fr34k
18:06:42 <SimonRC> hmm
18:07:34 <SimonRC> boblol: when/
18:07:53 <SimonRC> and when did you last identify to nickserv?
18:07:57 <boblol> i dunno, some time ago
18:08:03 <boblol> i never identified :P
18:08:12 <boblol> i think
18:09:58 <SimonRC> well do "/msg nickserv help" and find out how to use it.
18:10:12 <SimonRC> it may have been nicked if you never identified
18:10:20 <SimonRC> it may have been *stolen* if you never identified
18:10:33 <boblol> oh
18:10:36 <SimonRC> (silly Angliscism)
18:10:49 <boblol> well i tried identify, but it only said "no such nick/channel
18:10:52 <boblol> "
18:11:11 <SimonRC> hmm
18:11:33 <SimonRC> what client are you using?
18:11:57 <boblol> mIRC
18:12:02 <SimonRC> hmm
18:12:20 <SimonRC> in this window, try typing "/msg nickserv help"
18:13:07 <boblol> done
18:13:10 <SimonRC> What did that do?
18:13:30 <boblol> give me a list of commands in the status window
18:13:39 <SimonRC> hmm
18:13:47 <boblol> im gonna try "recover" wich kills someone who might have stolen it
18:14:02 <SimonRC> try "/query nickserv" in this window
18:14:20 <boblol> wait a second
18:14:24 <boblol> im gonna try idenitfy
18:15:06 <boblol> it said that the password for fr34k was incorrect
18:15:28 <SimonRC> did you give a password in the IDENTIFY command?
18:15:42 <boblol> look: i registered on the DALnet server, ok?
18:16:00 <boblol> that doesnt matter?
18:16:13 <SimonRC> is DALnet related to freenode?
18:16:25 <boblol> its two completely diff servers
18:16:47 <SimonRC> erm
18:16:58 <SimonRC> I think they are both IRC networks, not irc servers
18:16:59 <boblol> see why it wont work?
18:17:03 <boblol> i dunno
18:17:35 <boblol> irc.freenode.net and irc.dal.net
18:17:43 <SimonRC> hmm
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18:18:28 <boblol> but right now, im trying to solve one of the puzzles :P
18:18:46 <boblol> im on "13, unlucky ..."
18:19:11 <SimonRC> Freenode and DALnet are seperate IRC networks, and so (as you seem to have figures out) registering on DALnet will not register you on Freenode.
18:19:24 <boblol> precisely
18:19:31 <boblol> therefore, i dont care right now
18:19:32 <SimonRC> (unless freenode and DALnet have a special arrangement)
18:19:35 <boblol> i must solve the puzzle
18:19:37 <SimonRC> okok
18:19:43 <boblol> i dont think they do, bte
18:19:45 <boblol> *btw
18:20:05 <boblol> ok so i done some research of "13, unlucky" but dont seem to find anything
18:20:13 <boblol> i found stuff, but none has wored
18:20:16 <boblol> *worked
18:21:54 <boblol> hm
18:23:57 <SimonRC> It's an English and American phrase.
18:24:55 <boblol> thats why i dont now :P
18:27:46 <tgwizard> are you using google?
18:27:53 <boblol> yes i am
18:28:01 <boblol> and wikipedia
18:28:11 <tgwizard> swedish or english versions?
18:28:46 <boblol> english :P
18:28:57 <tgwizard> ;)
18:29:09 <boblol> :D
18:29:17 <tgwizard> well, for me google was enough
18:29:20 <boblol> though i dont find anything
18:29:29 <tgwizard> but I was quite lucky
18:29:42 <boblol> ...
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19:02:13 <SimonRC> wb
19:03:31 <SimonRC> (Welcome Back)
19:10:13 <boblol> aha
19:10:15 <boblol> thankies
19:10:25 <boblol> i wrote a little algorithm program :P
19:16:46 <SimonRC> give details
19:17:02 <lament> i wrote a little unalgorithm program
19:17:08 <boblol> um
19:17:09 <boblol> ok?
19:19:53 <boblol> here is my program: http://bicyclol.awardspace.biz/algo.php?num=59
19:20:19 <SimonRC> An algorithm is a set of instructions to calculate something.
19:20:23 <SimonRC> right?
19:20:36 <boblol> um
19:20:38 <boblol> i dunno
19:20:48 <boblol> but lemme explain how this prog works
19:21:22 <boblol> you have a number, lets say 12, then you reverse this and add it to the first number: 12+21=33, then you cant do it anymore, cuz 33 is a palindrome
19:21:32 <SimonRC> ah, ok
19:21:38 <boblol> as the sequence for 59: 59, 154, 605, 1111
19:21:54 <boblol> then it cant be calculated anymore, since 1111 is a palindrome
19:21:59 <SimonRC> I wouldn;t call that an *algorithm*
19:22:09 <boblol> well then dont, i dunno what it is called :P
19:22:13 <boblol> but try with 196
19:24:29 <boblol> has pikhq been inactive for a long time?
19:26:25 <ihope> I'd call it a function.
19:27:12 <boblol> ok
19:27:20 <boblol> its called the reverse-then-add sequence
19:27:42 <SimonRC> ah, yeah
19:27:54 <boblol> yeh
19:27:55 <boblol> so
19:28:06 <SimonRC> I Haskell, I define:
19:28:08 <SimonRC> revadd n = let sh = show n in let rev = reverse sh in if sh == rev then n else n + read rev
19:28:10 <boblol> has pikhq been inactive for long?
19:28:33 <SimonRC> then I can try 196 with:
19:28:35 <SimonRC> take 100 $ iterate revadd $ 169
19:28:44 <SimonRC> to get the first 100 numbers generated
19:28:57 <SimonRC> HoF FTW!
19:37:59 <boblol> now, i ask again: has pikhq been inactive for long time?
19:39:02 <ihope> I'd say this: revadd x = let {rev x = read (reverse (show x))} in x + rev x
19:40:11 <boblol> shall i get you a link to the php-source?
19:42:12 <fizzie> ihope; I don't think your version checks for the terminating palindrominicity condition.
19:43:34 <boblol> speak of wich: http://www.norvig.com/pal2txt.html
19:58:45 <boblol> hey pikhq? you there?
19:59:21 <deltab> SimonRC: why wouldn't you call that an algorithm?
20:03:15 <ifndef_GREGOR_H> Hahahah, Star Trek rocks: "Assist this boy to the quaranteen antiroom."  ... it's an anti-room?  What is it, a room made of antimatter?  A room with negative proportions?
20:05:57 <deltab> ante-room: the room before a main room that you wait in
20:06:25 <fizzie> And quarantine.
20:06:34 <fizzie> 1. anteroom, antechamber, entrance hall, hall, foyer, lobby, vestibule -- (a large entrance or reception room or area)
20:06:50 <ifndef_GREGOR_H> I hate you guys :P
20:07:03 <fizzie> That is the expected response, yes.
20:19:04 <boblol> anyone know how long pikhq has been inactive?
20:20:15 -!- ifndef_GREGOR_H has changed nick to GregorR.
20:22:35 <fizzie> If you mean "completely said nothing in IRC", you can just ask your client.
20:22:45 <fizzie> 22:22:16 [freenode] ...  idle     : 0 days 4 hours 23 mins 39 secs [signon: Thu Sep 14 16:14:31 2006]
20:23:39 <boblol> so he hasnt said anything for 4 hrs?
20:23:40 <fizzie> As for this channel, last comment I see here is "17:58:37 < pikhq> 'Lo." around four-and-a-half hours ago.
20:23:49 <boblol> ok
20:23:58 <boblol> then what is that "idle-check" command?
20:24:23 <fizzie> Quite often "/whois <name> <name>" will work; "/wii <name>" is a common alias for that.
20:24:33 <boblol> ok
20:24:45 <boblol> anyone know if he has like msn etc?
20:25:16 <fizzie> Can't help there.
20:25:23 <boblol> k
20:26:28 <ihope> MSN? Why?
20:26:43 <boblol> i dunno, need to contact him
20:27:16 <ihope> Let's see... http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/User_talk:pikhq
20:27:34 <boblol> um
20:27:36 <boblol> what is that?
20:27:46 <ihope> Eh, maybe not.
20:28:03 <ihope> You could try MemoServ, but I don't know if anybody pays attention to that.
20:28:14 <boblol> ok
20:28:22 <boblol> or i just wait to see if he comes in
20:38:34 <fizzie> You can go see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Pikhq
20:38:50 <fizzie> It lists some forms of communication.
20:38:55 <fizzie> And there's always email.
20:39:00 <boblol> ok
20:39:46 <boblol> jabber?!
20:40:14 <Razor-X> He's probably doing something BF related.
20:41:02 <boblol> he said he was goin to make my esolang idea reality this weekend so perhaps that is what he does
20:41:15 <Razor-X> Mmmm... I'm running really short on time this weekend... sorry contestants/committee.
20:43:01 <Razor-X> What's your Esolang idea, out of curiosity?
20:43:11 <Razor-X> (I don't have time to do anything more than lau... errr look at it.)
20:44:10 <boblol> i have a very bad explanation lying on pastebin
20:44:38 <boblol> want link?
20:44:57 <Razor-X> Yah.
20:45:16 <boblol> 1 sec
20:45:45 <boblol> now remember: this idea is (c) me
20:45:46 <boblol> http://pastebin.ca/177450
20:46:04 <Razor-X> And one question for #esoteric's members: When doing DSP with logic circuits and making a high/low-pass filter, do you just use an FFT and then junk the frequencies above/below a certain band?
20:46:09 <boblol> now the explanation is really bad, i suck at english
20:46:10 <Razor-X> boblol: Copyright?
20:46:13 <Razor-X> EWWWW.
20:46:24 <boblol> well its my idea
20:46:34 <Razor-X> OSI approved license please.
20:46:40 <boblol> nvm
20:46:50 <Razor-X> Creative Commons, LGPL, GPL, MIT, etc.
20:47:47 <boblol> forget about (c) ok? im just trying to say that the idea is mine, and mine alone
20:47:59 <Razor-X> Trust me, I'm not going to steal your idea :P.
20:48:24 <boblol> no i hope not
20:48:56 <Razor-X> What's the esotericness in it, though?
20:49:07 <boblol> well i dunno, pikhq just liked it
20:49:22 <Razor-X> It's pretty nifty syntax, I must say. But it's not esoteric enough.
20:49:39 <boblol> then explain the word 'esoteric'
20:50:03 <Razor-X> Esoteric == weird.
20:50:20 <Razor-X> Does your language have functions?
20:50:25 <boblol> liek?
20:50:46 <Razor-X> Like ``void blah { blah }; blah();''
20:51:00 <boblol> uh..check the explanation
20:51:28 <Razor-X> Yah. I did.
20:51:45 <Razor-X> How can you make a block of code so you can use it later?
20:52:06 <boblol> urg. im sry but i dont understand..make it ultra-basic-simple
20:52:36 <Razor-X> Cxu vi komprenas?
20:52:44 <boblol> wtf?
20:52:47 <Razor-X> Nevermind :P.
20:53:01 <Razor-X> What programming languages do you know?
20:53:29 <boblol> uh..
20:53:46 <boblol> php, html, actionscript, brainfuck
20:53:54 <Razor-X> -_-''
20:53:59 <boblol> :P
20:55:02 <boblol> why?
20:55:16 <Razor-X> PHP is the only language (among those) that has functions....
20:55:20 <Razor-X> And I don't know PHP ;-;.
20:55:55 <boblol> uh, i beleive actionscript has functions as well
20:55:58 <boblol> iirc
20:56:08 <Razor-X> Can you make functions in your language?
20:56:44 <boblol> then you must first explain what you mean by "functions"..cuz all it can do now, is calculate every kind of data that can be calculated
20:57:04 <Razor-X> It's hard in basic English....
20:57:12 <boblol> yeh
20:57:18 <boblol> give it a try
20:58:01 <Razor-X> A function is a bunch of code that is called with a name (like ``add'' or ``subtract''). Whenever you ``call'' it, or use its name, the code the function stands for is executed.
20:58:27 <boblol> uh
20:58:34 <boblol> like if(){}; ??
20:58:34 <SimonRC> <whistle>
20:58:46 <Razor-X> Kinda.
20:59:04 <boblol> cuz you have If, Else If, While loop, standard loop
20:59:09 <boblol> i think that is all
20:59:21 <Razor-X> like add (x y) {return (x + y);} then ``add(4 5);'' you get `9'.
20:59:56 <boblol> oh you mean like that..well first of all: actionscript supports that, but no, my language does not have that
21:00:02 <Razor-X> Ok.
21:00:03 <SimonRC> IIRC, PHP calls them "subs" or "subroutines"
21:00:34 <fizzie> PHP calls them "functions."
21:00:39 <fizzie> See http://www.php.net/manual/en/language.functions.php
21:00:42 <Razor-X> Subroutines, methods, functions, lambda expressions, Monadic function execution, IT'S THE SAME BLOODY THING.
21:00:50 <fizzie> You must be confusing PHP with Perl, which uses the keyword "sub".
21:01:11 <Razor-X> Why must programmers be so obtuse?! ;-;
21:01:51 <ihope> Lambda expressions and subroutines... aren't really the same thing, are they?
21:01:58 <Razor-X> That's true....
21:02:11 <Razor-X> Named lambda expressions. Happy ?
21:02:24 <ihope> Lambda expressions that return actions?
21:02:32 <ihope> Those'll make me happy.
21:02:36 <Razor-X> Ok then.
21:02:42 <Razor-X> Lambda expressions that return actions.
21:02:58 <Razor-X> I'm going to be doing my science project entirely in Scheme and using only GNU utilities.
21:02:59 * ihope suddenly becomes happy
21:03:06 <Razor-X> Yay!
21:05:04 <Razor-X> s/GNU/GPL/
21:05:16 <fizzie> What, no Hurd there? :p
21:05:28 <Razor-X> They poop too much.
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21:33:07 <ihope> Hurd isn't GPL?
21:33:55 <Razor-X> It might be.
21:36:09 <fizzie> I would certainly think it is.
21:36:29 <Razor-X> See, I'm right :)
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22:26:01 <SimonRC> :-D   http://thedailywtf.com/forums/thread/92905.aspx
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23:27:48 <calamari> hi
23:28:15 <calamari> here is a test line from my ipod lang.. still figuring some things out: W1L1=2L2=3I1L3=4EL4=5$$
23:28:33 <calamari> insert whitespace as desired
23:39:12 <Razor-X> That is SO readable.
23:42:58 <kipple_> it is supposed to be writeable, not readable ;)
23:43:34 <Razor-X> That's what I was thinking ;)
23:43:39 <Razor-X> Why not implement BF on an iPod?
23:43:59 <Razor-X> If pikhq was here, he'd be proud of me now.
23:44:49 <pikhq> I'm here, and I'm proud. :)
23:44:59 <Razor-X> Yay!
23:47:00 <Razor-X> I love the AP Physics C formula sheet. It's identical to the B sheet, with more sigmas, more d's, and a few integral signs. Plus, almost all the Calculus has been done for you in a little corner of the formula sheet, or the Integrals have been expanded to sigmas for you. Hooray future American engineers!
23:48:45 <calamari> Razor-X: bf is hard to write
23:48:51 <calamari> and it runs slow
23:49:24 <Razor-X> There's no iPod ASM?
23:49:38 <calamari> the ipod isn't very fast.. so I need a lang that compiles efficiently and is able to use more of the instruction set
23:49:59 <calamari> Razor-X: I'm sure there is.. but that is the other problem: bad keyboard interface
23:50:20 <Razor-X> You can't transfer programs to the iPod?
23:50:31 <calamari> yes, you can
23:50:38 <calamari> but I want to write programs on the ipod as well
23:50:45 <Razor-X> BF's command set is trivial.
23:50:54 <calamari> you're not listening :)
23:51:14 <calamari> bf isn't a good match for the above mentioned reasons
23:51:29 <pikhq> PicoCPU. XD
23:51:32 <calamari> of course I'll probably write bf stuff just for fun :)
23:51:35 <Razor-X> *Death*
23:51:44 <Razor-X> Think about it. Portable BF!
23:51:50 <Razor-X> Write BF audio!!!11!!!
23:52:01 <calamari> already have that on my hp and casio cals tho
23:52:03 <pikhq> Razor-X: He did write BF Audio.
23:52:06 <calamari> calcs
23:52:17 <calamari> pikhq: thanks :)
23:55:52 <calamari> probably a little more readable with whitespace added: http://rafb.net/paste/results/1l3NPb28.html