< 1163204106 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TI-89 ? < 1163204153 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1163204158 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmmm. < 1163204163 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, TI-89Ti < 1163204182 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sort of bemused by the fact that mainstream CS has the exact opposite sentiment of this channel. < 1163204188 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Esome in general. < 1163204201 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the sentiment of this channel? < 1163204215 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Experiment with new ideas, have fun coding. < 1163204237 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the sentiment of mainstream CS? < 1163204247 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learn OOP. Program in Java. < 1163204267 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what the OS programmers of tomorrow will be like, if there are any. < 1163204270 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eew java < 1163204275 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/are/will be/ < 1163204322 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even the future of embedded programming. < 1163204412 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moreover, I think CS will become a field of uptight I'm-doing-it-for-the-money programmers, which makes me think that innovation will slow to a crawl. < 1163204521 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Razor-X: That's because we're hackers, not computer scientists. < 1163204558 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: But hackers are what will, IMO eventually, decide whether the field will die into interlocked obscurity for a bunch of years, or actually continue to innovate. < 1163204582 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Razor-X: Hackers, by definition, will continue to innovate. < 1163204595 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but I think the hacker pool will decrease over time. < 1163204601 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's my main concern. < 1163204613 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The free software community begs to differ. < 1163204633 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah. A vast majority of them aren't hackers. < 1163204642 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean the new recent explosion. < 1163204674 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux toiled in obscurity when it was hacker haven. Now it's being mainstreamed. I have no problem with that but, I'm foreseeing a temporary hacker-death. < 1163204736 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At some subconscious point, I think hacking comes from seeing the innards of something and realizing that normal human beings created it. I mean, think about it. No-one really tries to hack telephone lines anymore. < 1163204765 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Less and less of the innards are showing each and every day, and it's not something we're fixing, but creating tighter scaffoldings over lower componenents. < 1163204774 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The days of phreaking sounded fun < 1163204782 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish I was around back then < 1163204824 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, me too. < 1163204840 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although the PC is something I'd shudder to live without. < 1163204927 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Razor-X: The free software community is something that works to allow the existence of hackers, in essence. < 1163204950 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/community/movement/ < 1163204971 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It keeps the innards shown to all of the world. < 1163204994 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most people just want free software so they don't have to pay < 1163205042 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xor: Thus why I refer to the movement. < 1163205063 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The free software *movement* is driven by a wish for freedom, not merely low price. < 1163205654 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1163206469 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's not always just free software (but I admit, this is where it excels). < 1163206510 0 :puzzlet_!n=puzzlet@58.77.172.41 JOIN :#esoteric < 1163206543 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The demand for non-implementation-level software is just dying because, we're using monoliths, and no-one's encouraging people to rewrite things like driver code. < 1163206562 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although in accordance with the recent Linux explosion, Windows (I think) has been having a relative low-level explosion. < 1163206611 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Near as I can tell, hackerdom won't actually die. It may suffer from a temporary die-off, but it has this tendency to come back, stronger than ever. < 1163206627 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fear the temporary die-off. < 1163206650 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. . . < 1163206656 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll be the *second* one Stallman < 1163206664 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'s lived through, though. ;) < 1163206670 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hehe. < 1163206678 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Computers are becoming more and more entrenched. It's the wrong time for hackerdom to die. < 1163206684 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :True, true. < 1163206718 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No offense to Stallman's generation but, a dying late-'70s hackerdom would only affect a few critical things. < 1163206722 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the bright side, hackerdom will, no doubt, take down those who are in it for money alone down with it. < 1163206790 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's true. < 1163206825 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Likewise, I think the hackerdom needs to produce more documentation and learning material. < 1163206832 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agreed. < 1163206854 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without documentation & learning material, we lose opportunities for new blood. . . Surely, this is a bad thing. < 1163206866 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly. < 1163206878 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fight for source code itself, of course, must continue. . . But without documentation, what the hell are we going to do with the code? < 1163206886 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1163206900 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Code is useful, but only to the point to that you can follow the thought process of the writers. < 1163206928 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is damned difficult in esolangs, at least. :p < 1163206935 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1163207016 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My own approach to beginning programming documentation is intuitive, because I also think that anything but mainstream coding has too much by way of CS-``sophisticated'' literature. < 1163207162 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With so many abstractions, it's hard to remember that programming is a gigantic bunch of 0's and 1's. < 1163207201 0 :wooby!n=alan@cpe-66-67-60-51.rochester.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1163207264 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1163207282 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION feels that he's made the abstractions in BFM a bit more. . . Sane. < 1163207351 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders why he's talking about that < 1163207511 0 :CXI!n=Sanity@c220-237-11-4.randw1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1163208434 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1163208629 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1163209088 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@rattlesnake-cuda-2-68-170-31-170.clspco.adelphia.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1163210362 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1163210488 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf61f7.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1163211333 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Becuase it's interesting? < 1163211347 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xor: Sounds 'bout right. < 1163211367 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways. . . In BFM, declaring the memory location of a variable is optional now. < 1163211395 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same applies to strings. < 1163211417 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, with the new string support, declaring the memory location of a variable is very, very unwise. < 1163211450 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shame you wrote it in tcl ;) < 1163211468 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's the best part! < 1163211535 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION came up with something a while ago that you guys would apreciate < 1163211538 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Writing in Tcl gives me a one-line parser! < 1163211554 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A grammar for english that is lisp-like < 1163211589 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(verb args) < 1163211594 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(modifer args) < 1163211596 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc < 1163211613 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd make some AI researchers very happy. ;) < 1163211618 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1163211621 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(rocks it) < 1163211839 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(? (what (think you (about it))) < 1163211843 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not (does it)) :) < 1163211882 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(, (no (rocks it))) (much (very (rocks it)))) < 1163211906 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: The subject of a verb shouldn't be implied < 1163211973 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, nevermind, I misunderstood < 1163212122 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(think i (is cool it)) < 1163212158 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(think I (= cool it)), if you want to be more Lispy. :p < 1163212193 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One can then use = in math, sentences, etc. < 1163212238 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(=) is numeric equality though < 1163212244 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't it be (eq) ? < 1163212326 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not if we use an untyped Lisp, and have numbers represented as lists (IIRC, this is how the original paper had Lisp set up). < 1163212428 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1163212787 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not (matter it)) < 1163212910 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(heh) < 1163212935 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(laugh you) < 1163213069 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(read I (about lisp)) < 1163213125 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1163213145 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no (read xor (about lisp))) < 1163213164 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not? < 1163213246 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@cpc1-stkn2-0-0-cust919.midd.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1163213247 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just wanting to be contrary. < 1163213267 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1163213583 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like how common lisp has different namespaces for variables and functions < 1163214083 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'd prefer different namespaces for libraries & other forms of linguistic extensions. . . < 1163214201 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how python does it < 1163214258 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is? < 1163214309 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Functions and variables are the same, and libraries (modules) are accessed like modulename.funcname < 1163214403 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1163214409 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thus, libraries are sequestered into seperate namespaces. . . < 1163214416 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1163214441 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Tcl, while not required, this is how libraries are typically set up. < 1163214494 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a small handful of libraries (Tk and Expect come to mind) clutter up the global namespace, but that's because they're rather old libraries, from before Tcl had namespaces, and so namespaces aren't used so old code still works) < 1163214518 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf61f7.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1163214551 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it'd be accessed "::modulename::procname". < 1163214566 0 :GregorR-L!n=GregorR-@c-24-21-138-66.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1163214595 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L-V-T-M < 1163214627 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1163214735 0 :ihope!n=chatzill@c-71-205-100-59.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1163214735 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :string foo "BFM now has C-style string support. Joy unto the world." < 1163214757 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now all we need is !bfm_txtgen. < 1163214771 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That one is going to be hard... < 1163214797 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make it an Egobot daemon or something. ;) < 1163214856 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, EgoBot will be back. < 1163214863 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guesstimate Sunday. < 1163214869 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since I'm on DVD 36 < 1163214874 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1163214890 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um. . . What did you do?!? < 1163214903 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fill up my hard disk :P < 1163214934 0 :Arrogant!i=Paragon@172.orlando-04-05rs.fl.dial-access.att.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1163214937 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bastard. < 1163215301 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr I want rpn on my calculator < 1163215313 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want Haskell on mine. < 1163215335 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHat calculator? < 1163215360 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Haskulator < 1163215555 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1163218167 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calcuhastor. < 1163218311 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskulator is better < 1163218406 0 :Arrogant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1163218668 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1163218778 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf61f7.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1163219932 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1163221978 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/" < 1163231999 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1163232000 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1163236162 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1163237154 0 :RodgerTh1Great!n=RodgerTh@wads-5-233-82.resnet.mtu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1163237224 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) < 1163238114 0 :jix!n=jix@L60c5.l.strato-dslnet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1163238502 0 :ivan`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-" < 1163239013 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) < 1163240428 0 :RodgerTh1Great!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1163247268 0 :tgwizard!n=tgwizard@c-103fe155.178-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1163253972 0 :jix_!n=jix@L638f.l.strato-dslnet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1163254955 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1163255326 0 :CakeProphet!n=CakeProp@h131.225.213.151.ip.alltel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1163261677 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders why all american schoolkids have programmable/graphical/RPN calculators. I don't think many people at my school had anything like that. < 1163262097 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC, Because of new-fangled technology < 1163262298 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Upon reading the "death of hacking" conversation above, I suddenly had a vision of the Second Coming Of Stallmann, like a hairier version of Jesus. < 1163262659 0 :tgwizard!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1163265116 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be interesting :P < 1163265154 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The top 4 out of 5 most popular projects on SourceForge are P2P related projects. How nice. < 1163266519 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have been fiddling with some numbers and find that traditional piano tuning is based on the equality: 531441 == 524288 < 1163266522 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wonder it has problems < 1163267901 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@rattlesnake-cuda-2-68-170-31-170.clspco.adelphia.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1163271026 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf61f7.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1163272027 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DVDs DONE!!! < 1163272697 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bring back EgoBot. < 1163272954 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: "traditional"? < 1163273174 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one where a fifth is a 3/2 ratio < 1163273196 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: What were you doing with the DVDs? < 1163274843 0 :EgoBot!n=EgoBot@c-24-21-138-66.hsd1.mn.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1163275134 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: At my school we are required to buy a TI-83 or TI-84 < 1163275261 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is very TI centric < 1163275392 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xor: university? < 1163275538 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :High school < 1163275598 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1163276771 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@cpc1-stkn2-0-0-cust919.midd.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1163277100 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: What I'm doing with the DVDs is clearing up my hard disk :P < 1163277778 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: i don't think that has ever been a traditional piano tuning < 1163277801 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, i suppose it has < 1163277914 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xor: how can they require you to buy anything in the first place? < 1163278698 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lindi-: They just do < 1163278746 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xor: what happens if you don't? < 1163279230 0 :ivan`!i=ivan@wikipedia/ivan JOIN :#esoteric < 1163279999 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lindi-: I don't think it is any worse than requiring schoolchildren to wear uniforms. < 1163280240 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: but many manufactures can probably produce those uniforms < 1163280849 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lindi-: Not sure what they do if you don't < 1163280878 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xor: i used hp-71 in high school but most used ti-86 < 1163280935 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never bought a ti-83, but I guess my calculator is similar enough. I can't use it on exams though. < 1163281101 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The teacher usually lets me borrow a crappy ti-83 for tests < 1163281365 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love my ti-89 < 1163281817 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Chatzilla 0.9.72-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.8.1b2/0000000000]" < 1163282391 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was somewhat screwed on the provinical math exam in high school because i didn't have a ti-83 < 1163282397 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and entire big questions relied on having it < 1163282404 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :idiotic? certainly < 1163282428 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i passed the exam, so the calculator clearly isn't all _that_ necessary < 1163282439 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instructions in my math and physics class go "push button 1, then button 2..." < 1163282477 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're in high school? < 1163282505 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1163282521 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, just ignore it then < 1163282532 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's high school, who cares. < 1163283012 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My physics class is more of a "learn to use your ti-83" class < 1163283130 0 :ivan`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AP Physics assumed you can do trig and algebra in your sleep and that you could calculator-solve in record time < 1163284228 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1163284340 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf61f7.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1163286965 0 :wooby!n=alan@cpe-66-67-60-51.rochester.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric