< 1164932905 0 :wooby!n=alan@cpe-66-67-60-51.rochester.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1164934866 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1164935419 0 :wooby!n=alan@cpe-66-67-60-51.rochester.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1164935724 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1164936278 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1164937094 0 :wooby!n=alan@cpe-66-67-60-51.rochester.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1164944933 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@cpc1-stkn2-0-0-cust919.midd.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1164947273 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1164949934 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Chatzilla 0.9.75 [IceWeasel 1.0.1b2] (kidding!)" < 1164950055 0 :Arrogant!i=Arrogatn@230.orlando-09-10rs.fl.dial-access.att.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1164956670 0 :anonfunc!n=pimaniac@adsl-70-135-59-64.dsl.chi2ca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1164958254 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1164958306 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Ex-Chat" < 1164959999 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1164960000 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1164963219 0 :evilC!n=clive_gi@ip-58-28-129-182.ubs-dsl.xnet.co.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1164963398 0 :evilC!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1164970855 0 :cmeme!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1164974953 0 :Arrogant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1164988255 0 :jix!n=jix@L63ab.l.strato-dslnet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1164988262 0 :tgwizard!n=tgwizard@c-923fe155.178-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1164992001 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1164992791 0 :anonfunc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1164993108 0 :GregorR-L!n=GregorR-@192.55.60.43 JOIN :#esoteric < 1165007357 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night" < 1165009810 0 :SevenInchBread!n=CakeProp@h42.241.213.151.ip.alltel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165010275 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf61f7.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165010283 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Bitte waehlen Sie eine Beerdigungnachricht" < 1165010990 0 :Aardwolf!n=neusring@kotnet-145.kulnet.kuleuven.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1165010996 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1165011113 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HI!!! < 1165011123 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1165011134 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aah egobot still isn't here < 1165011176 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sup with the wiki? < 1165012734 0 :tgwizard!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1165015624 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EgoBot isn't here because people abused it and I'm tired of that. < 1165022094 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1165022605 0 :Razor-X!n=user@user-11faaoj.dsl.mindspring.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1165023126 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1165024402 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the IP address of esolangs.org? < 1165024421 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after the move < 1165024594 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :** Ping ** ping ** esolangs.org PING esolangs.org.org (209.86.66.93) 56(84) bytes of data. < 1165024605 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that answer your question? < 1165024703 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, because if I pinged it, it said: < 1165024708 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ping esolangs.org < 1165024708 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ping: unknown host esolangs.org < 1165024723 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :M-x ping < 1165024726 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gotta love Emacs. < 1165024760 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1165024763 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you use ERC? < 1165024771 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the IP brings me to a spammy earthlink site though < 1165024798 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate how earthlink does that < 1165024798 0 :wooby!n=alan@ny-lancastercadent4g1-3a-236.buf.adelphia.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165024811 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want real dns, damnit! < 1165024824 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1165024837 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that my DNS server is confused about esolangs.org somehow < 1165024898 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can anyone of you access the wiki? < 1165025054 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I do bsmntbombdood. < 1165025226 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although, recently RCIRC has been getting the news articles. < 1165025359 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maelzel, who bade me pleasant weather the eyelids were it will be sure trader, I believed from tree stood a man whipped syllable! < 1165025569 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How fairy-like hue of the danger of a thousand years, upon the moral soul has nothing. We may be impels us, and after our depth. There is the first. < 1165025597 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is fun < 1165025607 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it < 1165025612 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :texts from spam mails? :D < 1165025620 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1165025642 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :source code? < 1165025643 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :37,000 lines of edgar allen poe ran through a markov chain based text generation algorithm < 1165025655 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1165025698 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :From the House of the lips resumed the lonely went boldly out < 1165025740 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The house of lips! < 1165025759 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe, I'm sure that spam mail generators use a similar algorithm < 1165025898 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is awsome < 1165025948 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can generate some crazy words < 1165025967 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :som Frof luessan thaut, asperach thand undclifich terslike < 1165026051 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woureattledia! Uponed enegen se no in theas shruce < 1165026160 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oard perfect factsrisk assessment mapstate, by state datauseful? < 1165026253 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need some other author to do it with < 1165026327 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@24.55.113.24 JOIN :#esoteric < 1165026703 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION lives again.
< 1165026754 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you are interested, the code is at http://bsmntbombdood.mooo.com/markov.lisp < 1165028344 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION does evil things to "pointsfree".
< 1165028354 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I gave it \a:b:c:d:e:f:z->f:e:d:c:b:a:z < 1165028391 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has made the optimizer in BFM much smarter, and is in the middle of a rewrite into several passes (for clarity purposes).
< 1165028417 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aardwolf: you're right it's not working < 1165028424 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aardwolf: you can get to the wiki from here though: http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/ < 1165031921 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've decided to play around with Common Lisp, but I wonder what makes it so ``Lisp-y'' if it uses iterative loops. < 1165032007 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scheme has iterative looping constructs doesn't it? < 1165032017 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah it does, but it's considered bad Scheme style. < 1165032028 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if you need anything more crazy than that, you just use call/cc. < 1165032048 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone in #lisp told me to rewrite a recursive function iteratively < 1165032062 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can do both fairly well. < 1165032099 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are some applications where recursion is simply an easier way to code. An infix expression parser is one of those. < 1165032109 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1165032126 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The LOOP macro is extremely unlispy < 1165032136 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember LOOP scaring me. < 1165032142 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it was so much to memorize. < 1165032158 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : (loop for i from 0 to (- (length seq) len) by len collecting (subseq seq i (+ i len))) < 1165032186 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm scared shitless. < 1165032192 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the main reasons DO is not used in Scheme very often is because the syntax is longer to remember than tail recursion. Of course, tail recursion pays the price of computing effeciency until you learn the streams abstraction. < 1165032213 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :streams abstraction? < 1165032214 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a whole LOOP sublanguage. Like the DEFMACRO sublanguage. < 1165032223 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: ... You haven't read SICP?! < 1165032227 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DEFMACRO doesn't have a sublanguage < 1165032229 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The essence of common lisp lies not in being functional, because it often isn't, but in it's macros. < 1165032249 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DEFMACRO is not hygenic Common Lisp. < 1165032262 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/it's/its/ < 1165032265 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is why Scheme SYNTAX-CASE macros are specifically called ``hygenic macros''. < 1165032274 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DEFMACRO is the only way to do some stuff < 1165032279 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Non-functional stuff < 1165032293 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GENSYMs were annoying. I remember that much too. < 1165032304 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, what's SICP? < 1165032309 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION dies.
< 1165032319 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of THE best treatises on computer science EVER. < 1165032330 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs. < 1165032359 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1165032411 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(defmacro queue-push (item place) `(setf ,place (append ,place (list ,item)))) < 1165032412 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't see why there isn't something in between Common Lisp and Scheme. Something hygenic, but also having machine-like capabilities. < 1165032421 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't write that as a function < 1165032458 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? Can't Common Lisp functions produce other functions? < 1165032474 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes... < 1165032516 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would that make a difference? < 1165032574 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(define (queue-push item place) (define (queue-push* item place) `(set! ,place (append ,place (list ,item)))) (eval (queue-push* item place) )) < 1165032608 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :common lisp doesn't have define, but ok < 1165032611 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A subfunction generates the new function, and then the outer function evaluates it. Simple. < 1165032627 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, DEFINE here is being used in the same way as DEFUN, no? < 1165032632 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1165032663 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that still doesn't work < 1165032669 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not? < 1165032677 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(common) lisp doesn't have pass by reference < 1165032698 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Errr.... ? < 1165032735 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it does < 1165032753 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not quite seeing what pass by reference and pass by value have anything to do here. < 1165032767 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect this is some difference in the way procedures are handled. < 1165032769 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like someone's brain is borken. < 1165032784 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a function to modify its args, you need pass by reference < 1165032785 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh. < 1165032798 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, how does it matter? I'm generating a new function? < 1165032818 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :QUEUE-PUSH* returns a new function, which is then EVALed. < 1165032844 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is the whole point of DEFMACRO < 1165032858 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh... you can't do that in your average DEFUN ? < 1165032897 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DEFMACRO does what you did for you < 1165032898 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorta < 1165032905 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh. < 1165032939 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(defmacro queue-push (item place) `(setf ,place (append ,place (list ,item)))) < 1165032966 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(defun queue-push (item place) `(setf ,place (append ,place (list ,item)))) < 1165032980 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, (defun queue-push-f (item place) `(setf ,place (append ,place (list ,item)))) < 1165032992 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The DEFUN definition should just produce a procedure, no? < 1165033012 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(queue-push ...) === (eval (queue-push-f ...)) < 1165033013 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or a closure... I think the Common Lisp term was. < 1165033037 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1165033118 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I only barely know cl, so I might be leading you off track < 1165033171 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(defun my-cons* (arg) `(cons ,arg '())) (defun my-cons (arg) (eval (my-cons* arg))) < 1165033173 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What bsmntbombdood is saying is true seems absolutely unLispy to me. . . < 1165033179 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(my-cons 5) => (5) < 1165033194 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it seems you don't need DEFMACRO. < 1165033202 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1165033222 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't modify arg in MY-CONS < 1165033234 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err, I'm not modifying any arg.... < 1165033239 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And try that in your REPL too. It works. < 1165033304 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1165033367 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know in Scheme the only reason I'd use a macro was if some piece of code kept repeating itself over and over again, or I was in this sort of a position, where it's technically better Lisp-style to use a macro to generate the code instead of having a helper procedure produce a procedure that is evaluated by the outer procedure. < 1165033370 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But (defun my-cons (arg) (cons arg nil)) works just as well < 1165033428 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(defun foo (arg) (setf arg 1)) doesn't modify arg outside of foo < 1165033436 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and can't)\ < 1165033501 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh oh. I see. < 1165033513 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, you're talking about modifying a top-level definition? < 1165033520 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1165033533 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, in Scheme, (define alpha 5) (define (test) (set! alpha 3)) ? < 1165033557 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, what does that do? < 1165033559 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe the first DEFINE usage becomes DEFPARAMETER in Common Lisp. I can't remember the difference between DEFPARAMETER and DEFVAR. < 1165033587 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :defparameter changes the value of the variable if it is already defined < 1165033595 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah-hah. < 1165033601 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So then the first DEFINE would be a DEFVAR. < 1165033623 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I believe that SET! would become SETQ, but I'm not sure on that. < 1165033640 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1165033645 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1165033671 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The R5RS standard is really tiny. Even the draft for R6RS is pretty small too. It's fairly simple to memorize everything in it. < 1165033707 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Common Lisp seems appealing because of its support for such things as variable types and endian-ness and good binary file support and such. Just seems more robust. < 1165033762 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that Scheme is more pure, and cl is more usefull (outside of the educational world) < 1165033781 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. Scheme manipulating binary files becomes a bit cumbersome. < 1165033850 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was looking at some code to read a file, it is very unlispy < 1165033853 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Chicken, you'd end up creating your own mini OOP system (unless you want to use something that already exists like TinyCLOS, but I hate them all) to represent the byte structure of the file and other abstractions for binary data slots. < 1165033894 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And even in R6RS there's nothing like bit shifting and stuff. The closest thing they have to the architecture in the R6RS draft is endian-ness. < 1165033939 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love Lisps :3 < 1165033945 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1165033988 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, have you read the post that started StumpWM? < 1165033994 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1165034011 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's funny. It's part of the coding-Lisp-under-acid ethos. < 1165034052 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love my window manager < 1165034073 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used Ratpoison, so I'd love to see StumpWM become a tour de force. < 1165034086 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/used/use/ < 1165034091 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION uses ion
< 1165034099 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ion's too complicated for me, heh. < 1165034108 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too many dadgummed keys to remember. < 1165034150 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I go out of ion style and use the mouse for some stuff < 1165034177 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The mouse is useless in ratpoison. < 1165034194 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1165034217 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I, frankly, don't like reaching the 30 cm over to my trackball. < 1165034223 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's too far. < 1165034410 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even though I'd get dreadfully flamed out in both #scheme and #lisp for saying this, I think both of the lisps are drifting towards each other. R6RS really shows the burden of having such a minimal standard on Scheme, and I think CL is also beginning to adopt a more ``clean abstraction'' style. < 1165034535 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm having a Paul Graham moment :P < 1165034579 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1165034585 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never heard of him < 1165034590 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_O < 1165034603 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're... learning CL.... without hearing about Paul Graham?!?!?! < 1165034610 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION oggles.
< 1165034618 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I should look him up < 1165034629 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He is *the* foremost Lisp elitist out there. < 1165034666 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He and Chuck Moore are singular to their dedication to their paradigms of choice, and have written hopeless amounts of propoganda for their respective paradigms. < 1165034686 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And then there's Jeff Fox, who sounds like Moore Came To Him in a Revelation and was Saved by Moore.) < 1165034742 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If Graham were writing for Stalin instead of for Lisp, the people would be whooping and cheering in love for The Party. < 1165034855 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@24.55.113.24 JOIN :#esoteric < 1165034974 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's crazy how old lisp is < 1165035152 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is cool: http://www.levenez.com/lang/history.html#04 < 1165035829 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it is. < 1165035836 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't even understand how other languages got traction. < 1165035856 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I can understand C, but I would see the word as: Low-level: C, High-level: Lisp. < 1165035916 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can understand C++ gaining traction, by merit of being C-oid. . . < 1165035938 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although what it's been abused for is rather surprising. < 1165035956 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't imagine C++ getting traction. Why, how, what drove these mad people?! < 1165035981 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g++ after being worked on for years by hundreds of developers is only slightly stronger than GHC, OCaML, and clisp. < 1165036000 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it even loses in certain tests. < 1165036001 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Getting away from the restrictions of C while still being C. < 1165036012 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I call that C and a monkey's bastard child. < 1165036037 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's my respect for C++. < 1165036051 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can understand it getting traction simply because there are people mad enough to think its the world's greatest language. < 1165036079 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But someone would have to commit the original folly before the university hordes begin being indoctrinated in it. < 1165036105 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel how the old C++ites feel with Java now. They must feel like leftovers from the Last Crusade. < 1165036121 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/feel how/wonder how/ < 1165037168 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes to bed
< 1165037303 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1165037867 0 :anonfunc!n=pimaniac@adsl-70-135-59-64.dsl.chi2ca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165038739 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, what came after lisp? < 1165038741 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :COBOL < 1165038757 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, people like cobol for it's englishness < 1165038798 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, I don't know where I'm going with this < 1165038842 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :People *hate* Cobol for it's Englishness, actually. XD < 1165038867 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well then how did it catch on? < 1165038884 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Managers, unlike human beings, like Cobol for that trait. < 1165038901 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That needs to be quoted :P < 1165038910 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And managers controll what language there subordinates use < 1165038941 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather than having books on Scheme or Haskell or even Forth in the miscellaneous languages section of our local Borders, you have Common Lisp and COBOL. < 1165038948 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And FORTRAN. < 1165038952 0 :twobitsprite!n=someonee@cpe-075-177-191-014.nc.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1165038972 0 :twobitsprite!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a channel for the Joy language anywhere? (I figured you guys would know) < 1165038981 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Classifying Lisp and COBOL together is like classifying Life and Death together. < 1165038988 0 :twobitsprite!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or... is there at least anyone on here that knows anything about Joy? < 1165038989 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :twobitsprite: If it's an esolang, this'd be it. :p < 1165039001 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Razor-X: ? < 1165039007 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As you just saw twobitsprite, nope. < 1165039015 0 :twobitsprite!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if Joy is intended to be an esolang < 1165039017 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the channels business. < 1165039025 0 :twobitsprite!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Razor-X: yeah... < 1165039026 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A link to Joy please? < 1165039036 0 :twobitsprite!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joy_programming_language < 1165039042 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ありがとう。 < 1165039048 0 :twobitsprite!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like it's mostly in early developement... < 1165039097 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, so that's where I remember it from... < 1165039106 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'll be getting the most support from #forth. < 1165039116 0 :twobitsprite!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I was thinking < 1165039142 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Functionality and stack usage scare me. < 1165039145 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1165039169 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1165039171 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're paradigms which I see as almost entirely mutually exclusive (unless you implement a stack in a functional language, which is something different altogether). < 1165039208 0 :twobitsprite!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Razor-X: joy seems to be doing alright... < 1165039210 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can functionally program in forth < 1165039219 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can, but it's not a preferred way. < 1165039224 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, that's just me, of course. < 1165039235 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Razor-X: Yay! Unicode works here for once! < 1165039236 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't imagine recursion very well with a dedicated stack. < 1165039248 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forth has recursion < 1165039255 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tail recursion, rather. < 1165039277 0 :twobitsprite!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :factor has full tail-call optimization < 1165039277 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has tail recursion (by way of RECURSE), but it's not used very often. < 1165039291 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a second there, I was thinking that it was "Ari ga tou", though. . . XD. < 1165039298 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... ;D < 1165039310 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The and is truth? < 1165039314 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ant < 1165039359 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, If Factor and its like do fly, I'd love to pursue it, but IMO I don't think I can cope well with the paradigm. < 1165039375 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kinda like how I'm not that good with OOP paradigms. < 1165039428 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OOP is great < 1165039467 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It suffers from "when all you have is a hammer, everything starts looking like a nail", though. < 1165039479 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not saying it works for everything < 1165039509 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not saying you did. I'm just saying that OOP suffers from that problem. < 1165039570 0 :twobitsprite!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah... it's easy to think to yourself "but everything /is/ an object" until you get into strange constructs which would only occur in a program which are not easily stuffed into an object < 1165039697 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"but everything /is/ a function". ;) < 1165039778 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything is *not* an object. < 1165039798 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is in java < 1165039807 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh. That's true. < 1165039828 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Objects, in my experience, are only useful for situations in which you need differing state per instance of object and assosciated functions to this instance that manipulate local state. < 1165039847 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never actually thought of programming in terms of manipulating objects. < 1165039860 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1165039865 0 :twobitsprite!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the problem is, proceedures (which is what any program is in a language like Java, etc, that fact is just disguised from you) to not easily (or, at least not obviously) break down in to categorical heirarchies < 1165039884 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1165039897 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also hate the fact about OOP in that, what should belong to the superclass, what to the subclass, etc. < 1165039905 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even though the decision is at best aesthetic. < 1165039905 0 :twobitsprite!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A quicksort is not an object < 1165039922 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But a quicksort can be a method < 1165039926 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a lits < 1165039928 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :list < 1165039945 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :twobitsprite: it should be a method contained by an object that manages related types of methods < 1165039956 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I can understand Lisp's everything-is-a-procedure methodology pretty well. < 1165039974 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously there are places where it's cumbersome. < 1165039992 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt that most people define constants using Church Numerals in their Scheme programs. < 1165040000 0 :twobitsprite!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: I understand this... bad analogy really... there are however proceedures which can be applied to "objects" (data structures, really) which do not all belong to some superclass... < 1165040010 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1165040038 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OOP doesn't necessarily mean "everything is an object", it means you use objects to categorize and organize your code logically and modularly. Modularity is the main advantage, really. < 1165040045 0 :twobitsprite!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To think that everything in the world can be boiled down into some top-down heirarchy is just silly < 1165040052 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true, true < 1165040053 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: What'd be better is a generic quicksort function which applies to many datatypes. < 1165040084 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My two best paradigms are either on the byte level, where I can think of things as simply bytes and structures pointing to positions of bytes, or the functional methodology. < 1165040099 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, OOP is invaluable in certain situations as well. < 1165040101 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION likes the Brainfuck paradigm. :p
< 1165040104 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but every language effectively imposes it's own design philosophy on how you do things, and the related limitations or caveats < 1165040116 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been doing too much on BFM lately. < 1165040133 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm spread between 2 projects, and am about to tackle on a third. < 1165040143 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(optimization is approaching perfection, and BFM is being split into multiple passes of compilation for clarity's sake) < 1165040147 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why everyone should learn many different languages with different paradigms- and that's what Esoteric Programming is all about < 1165040155 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1165040173 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An ID3v2 parser/creator, and SLUMTP. I'll be attempting to create a port of jMemorize soon enough. < 1165040202 0 :twobitsprite!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: right, of course... I'm mostly ranting on about how the IT industry likes to think that OOP is god's gift to software < 1165040239 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1165040242 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I understand < 1165040259 0 :twobitsprite!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In reality, if you designed your program well enough in the abstract from the beginning, it really doesn't matter what language you use to implement it, it's all simply a matter of taste and style < 1165040265 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Personally, I like Java, but it's not the best tool for everything. < 1165040277 0 :twobitsprite!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION personally despises java
< 1165040279 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Language choice should reflect the task at hand < 1165040281 0 :twobitsprite!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dispises* < 1165040285 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No RodgerTheGreat has the right of it. Each language has its own biases. < 1165040292 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :twobitsprite: If you designed your program that well in the beginning, you're not in the real world. < 1165040310 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One should attempt to use a language which is biased in favor of what you need from it. < 1165040313 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lisps have the capability to be tuned to your program domain, but that tuning requires thinking Lispily. < 1165040336 0 :twobitsprite!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: of course, no design is perfect, and knowing the nuances of your chosen language will effect your design, but for the most part and language, so long as it is turing complete, will do < 1165040362 0 :twobitsprite!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/and/any < 1165040379 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :twobitsprite: That goes without saying. < 1165040410 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if you are worthy of the title "programmer", that is) < 1165040428 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the most useful thing I learned from LISP is the related design philosophy- code everything assuming the rest of your program works. < 1165040447 0 :twobitsprite!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's mostly a matter of which language provides the most features which will save you typing and save you from focusing on to many inane details < 1165040478 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd agree with that < 1165040582 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been playing with LUA lately- I really like the design of the language. It embodies a number of the things I liked about BASIC. < 1165040610 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without all of the business these days of "making BASIC a *real* language" < 1165040884 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION notes that the next Gnash version is due "any day now". . .
< 1165040942 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which should, in theory, support all of Flash v7 and parts of v8. . . < 1165040961 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The version supporting all of v9 is targeted for this summer. :) < 1165041061 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1165041798 0 :Robdgreat!n=Robdgrea@ip70-171-77-116.no.no.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165041810 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION coughs
< 1165042001 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thief. < 1165042228 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1165042819 0 :Robdgreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh. < 1165043183 0 :twobitsprite!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sharpens his tension knife
< 1165043228 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah. wit. < 1165043250 0 :twobitsprite!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries.
< 1165043254 0 :sreeram!n=Sreeram@125.22.145.63 JOIN :#esoteric < 1165043276 0 :Robdgreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shrugs.
< 1165043294 0 :Robdgreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've only been using this nick for 10 years. But I can change just for you. < 1165043296 0 :Robdgreat!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Asaph < 1165043320 0 :twobitsprite!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh? < 1165043370 0 :Asaph!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I entered and was greeted with a cough and "Thief." < 1165043398 0 :Asaph!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, screw it. < 1165043399 0 :twobitsprite!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh... is this about the similarity of nicks between you and RodgerTheGreat? lol... < 1165043423 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shrugs
< 1165043425 0 :Asaph!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose. < 1165043447 0 :Asaph!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no worries < 1165043451 0 :Asaph!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have a good night < 1165043456 0 :ivan`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :" Try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-" < 1165043458 0 :Asaph!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Error 1606. Press any key to continue." < 1165043467 0 :twobitsprite!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was odd < 1165043491 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error 666. Just too damn evil. < 1165043771 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1165044720 0 :twobitsprite!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1165046399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1165046400 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1165046560 0 :sreeram!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1165046703 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: Oh? You've never programmed top-down before? < 1165046720 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do it quite routinely. < 1165046740 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If x, do complex-y else complex-z. And then I later code complex-y and complex-z. < 1165046757 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am a bit biased to top-down planning myself, because it suits my on-the-spot thinking style more. < 1165047201 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my tendency was building from the bottom-up, but I've found myself using top-down more for homework and such in my CS classes < 1165047226 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I run into a problem, I can keep making progress toward completing the assignment, rather than just being stumped < 1165047287 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, g'night everyone. < 1165047321 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :goodnight < 1165050575 0 :anonfunc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1165050575 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1165050576 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1165050576 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1165050579 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1165050579 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1165050579 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1165050579 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1165050580 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1165050580 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1165050580 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1165050580 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1165050582 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1165050583 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1165050583 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1165050584 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1165050584 0 :meatmanek!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1165050693 0 :anonfunc!n=pimaniac@adsl-70-135-59-64.dsl.chi2ca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165050693 0 :wooby!n=alan@ny-lancastercadent4g1-3a-236.buf.adelphia.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165050693 0 :Razor-X!n=user@user-11faaoj.dsl.mindspring.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1165050693 0 :Aardwolf!n=neusring@kotnet-145.kulnet.kuleuven.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1165050693 0 :SevenInchBread!n=CakeProp@h42.241.213.151.ip.alltel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165050693 0 :RodgerTheGreat!n=RodgerTh@wads-5-233-82.resnet.mtu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1165050693 0 :pgimeno!n=pgimeno@124.Red-80-59-211.staticIP.rima-tde.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165050693 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@122.46.198.22 JOIN :#esoteric < 1165050693 0 :SimonRC!n=sc@bylands.dur.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1165050693 0 :fizzie!n=fizban@sesefras.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1165050693 0 :lindi-!n=lindi@kulho150.adsl.netsonic.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1165050693 0 :sp3tt!n=sp3tt@80-162.cust.umeaenergi.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1165050693 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@about/copyleft/user/bsmntbombdood JOIN :#esoteric < 1165050693 0 :lament!n=lament@S010600110999ad06.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165050693 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@c-71-193-149-252.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165050693 0 :meatmanek!n=meatmane@cpe-65-29-79-179.indy.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1165050693 0 :mtve!i=mtve@mtve.vm.jvds.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1165053276 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wooby, thanks for the link < 1165053297 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aardwolf: no problem < 1165053308 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i emailed graue, i thought it might have been a dns problem < 1165053316 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently the server randomly stops working < 1165054568 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deltaplex is done < 1165054802 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION investigates
< 1165054961 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha that's awesome < 1165055031 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just hope someone will have the courage to make something in it, because it's so annoying to code in pixels < 1165055359 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1165055364 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps an IDE is in order? < 1165055816 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah maybe :D < 1165055861 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1165055886 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you familiar with mondrian, the artist? < 1165055907 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's the dutch guy that did the paintings that are multicolor blocks with black lines < 1165056034 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, I know both him and the Piet programming language < 1165057224 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1165057236 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i was researching his stuff < 1165057244 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and did some preliminary research into < 1165057249 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a mondrian encoding scheme < 1165057257 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IE the most efficient way to store his original works < 1165057315 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hm, its just kinda interesting :) < 1165060348 0 :jix!n=jix@L63ab.l.strato-dslnet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1165060452 0 :sedimin!n=Miranda@217.118.109.198 JOIN :#esoteric < 1165060456 0 :sedimin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi there < 1165061886 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1165062264 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"haaaaaaaaaa" < 1165062289 0 :sedimin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :howdy? < 1165062893 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sup < 1165062925 0 :sedimin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have posted idea for new language < 1165062934 0 :sedimin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Stalactite < 1165063446 0 :anonfunc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1165063626 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :checking... < 1165064224 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1165064597 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :always nice if an esolang comes out of a dream ;) < 1165064684 0 :sedimin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1165064698 0 :sedimin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this happened to me for the first time < 1165064722 0 :sedimin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't think it happens usually, that would be quite crazy :) < 1165066489 0 :sedimin1958!n=Miranda@217.118.109.198 JOIN :#esoteric < 1165067454 0 :sedimin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1165069522 0 :jix_!n=jix@L62e6.l.strato-dslnet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1165069819 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1165071666 0 :sedimin1958!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1165071983 0 :tgwizard!n=tgwizard@c-923fe155.178-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1165075074 0 :cmeme!n=cmeme@boa.b9.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1165075104 0 :cmeme!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1165075135 0 :cmeme!n=cmeme@boa.b9.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1165075348 0 :cmeme!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) < 1165075353 0 :cmeme!n=cmeme@boa.b9.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1165075382 0 :cmeme!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1165075414 0 :cmeme!n=cmeme@boa.b9.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1165076669 0 :SevenInchBread!n=CakeProp@h42.241.213.151.ip.alltel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165077668 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf61f7.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165080241 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection reset by peer < 1165080299 0 :SevenInchBread!n=CakeProp@h42.241.213.151.ip.alltel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165080375 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm reading over LOOP. Why would anyone want to use LOOP instead of DO? < 1165080399 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It stinks much too much of COBOL to me. < 1165080570 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@24.55.113.24 JOIN :#esoteric < 1165080663 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My bfm.tcl rewrite is now partially working. < 1165080751 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) < 1165080802 0 :SevenInchBread!n=CakeProp@h42.241.213.151.ip.alltel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165080815 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection reset by peer < 1165080865 0 :SevenInchBread!n=CakeProp@h42.241.213.151.ip.alltel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165080926 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) < 1165080980 0 :SevenInchBread!n=CakeProp@h42.241.213.151.ip.alltel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165081022 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ties SevenInchBread to the Freenode server
< 1165081218 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) < 1165081270 0 :SevenInchBread!n=CakeProp@h42.241.213.151.ip.alltel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165081853 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) < 1165081906 0 :SevenInchBread!n=CakeProp@h42.241.213.151.ip.alltel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165082131 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) < 1165082184 0 :SevenInchBread!n=CakeProp@h42.241.213.151.ip.alltel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165082350 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) < 1165082403 0 :SevenInchBread!n=CakeProp@h42.241.213.151.ip.alltel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165083359 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"haaaaaaaaaa" < 1165083528 0 :CakeProphet!n=CakeProp@h42.241.213.151.ip.alltel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165083589 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1165083595 0 :CakeProphet!n=CakeProp@h42.241.213.151.ip.alltel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165084067 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip72-200-73-175.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165084148 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Lo. < 1165084161 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1165084174 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :med < 1165085163 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dadadaDOM!# < 1165085287 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1165085303 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :howdy, everyone. < 1165085324 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@24.55.113.24 JOIN :#esoteric < 1165086502 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION refers people to the famous story about Qc Na.
< 1165086535 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe that is the definitive opinion on OO versus non-OO. < 1165086575 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Care to refer to it? < 1165086581 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GIYF < 1165086979 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: Surely the problem with top-down programming is when you try to split the problem up in ways it won't split. This complements the problem of bottom-up programming, which is writing a load of pieces of elegant code that each do a simple, well-defined task, but none of whic approach solving your actual problem. < 1165086996 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1165087127 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only real solution is rigorously designing the interactions of portions of your code beforehand. Of course, building from the bottom up without such a previously defined design generally creates re-useable code even when not all of it ends up being necessary < 1165087261 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1165087306 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although you may end up with a library of functions that are all very nice but not used much < 1165087352 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As with all other things, the solution involves someone with a modicum of grey matter. . . < 1165087403 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1165087474 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ESR advocates a style he calls "midle-out programming" where you write the bit sof code that actually *do* stuff, and gradually move the nice setup, teardown, do-multiple-things, etc into layers above, and move the low-level details into layesr below. < 1165087544 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do however advocate trying to decide all the functions/methods you are going to write in you head first. < 1165087555 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/however // < 1165087593 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You will end up missing a lot of them, but that doesn;t matter too much as you will have *thought* about the problem. < 1165087755 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best way to start coding any moderately sized application is by sitting down and thinking about it for a while. < 1165087917 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The worst way, of course, is to just start throwing shit together. . . < 1165087930 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1165087991 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Pre-rewrite BFM started showing some of those issues. . . Largely because the language evolved faster than the compiler0 < 1165088666 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION lols at the Visitor Pattern.
< 1165088694 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFAICT, it's just the map operation. < 1165088710 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is still crazy enough to think BFM is a good idea. XD
< 1165088771 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have the translator source online? < 1165088777 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/translator // < 1165088793 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got a very outdated source up. < 1165088847 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to finish my multi-pass rewrite, make the optimizing pass a bit nicer, and add an "expr" command to be called from whilet and ift. . . < 1165088878 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, if I bother working on it today, I should have a modern BFM release up. . . Tomorrow? < 1165088970 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for the record: ift and whilet, with expr, should allow for traditional "if {foo==0}" statements) < 1165089062 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1165089112 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, to be fair, it'd be "if var {expr var==0} {code-here} : temp0 temp1". < 1165089124 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/if/ift/ < 1165089907 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are we not working on the Factory language? < 1165089924 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's horrible. < 1165089929 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Absolutely horrible. < 1165089938 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still getting nightmares from it. < 1165090227 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... Paul Graham is making an interesting point here: http://paulgraham.com/gap.html < 1165090270 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though the monetary gap between rich and poor (within a developed country) is very wide, it doesn't matter much. < 1165090369 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a rich man can spend 10,000 time as much on something as a non-rich one, it doesn't get him a suit that looks 10,000 times as good, or a journey 10,000th or the duration, or a computer 10,000 times as easy to use. < 1165090398 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As PG puts it: "If Lenin walked around the offices of a company like Yahoo or Intel or Cisco, he'd think communism had won. Everyone would be wearing the same clothes, have the same kind of office (or rather, cubicle) with the same furnishings, and address one another by their first names instead of by honorifics. Everything would seem exactly as he'd predicted, until he looked at their bank accounts. Oops." < 1165090473 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or until he saw the CEO. < 1165090526 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1165091087 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1165092080 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tend to write my programs the same way I write my essays -- I make sure I'm familliar with my topic or problem domain, I formulate a rough sketch in my head of how the program will flow, I begin writing code according to this scaffolding, attempting to create sub-functions on demand unless I realize that it takes too long a time to do in my first ``pass'', and keep going until I run out of steam or I realize that most of my program is < 1165092080 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using functions I haven't defined. < 1165092118 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At that point, begin looking at the helper functions I've left undefined to identify common pieces of code and start making a library for those, and then I code these bottom-up. < 1165092152 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I use a weird combination of both methods. < 1165092277 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I absolutely abhor precise planning. I just can't create anything if I've made a complete paper-pencil model of the program. It turns to uncreative mush. < 1165092307 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I end up making a rough little sketch of what needs to be done. . . < 1165092391 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I had 10,000 times as much money, I'd know how to use it, you still can buy a 100x more expensive house and stuff < 1165092393 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION refers pikhq to the Unicode elipsis.
< 1165092403 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1165092413 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in reply to SimonRC) < 1165092437 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesn't care
< 1165093047 0 :Arrogant!n=Arrogatn@90.orlando-04-05rs.fl.dial-access.att.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165093089 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Razor-X: There is nothing to say that you can't do the first stages of that process with PnP, or better, in your head. < 1165093315 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: Well, what I tend to have in my head is a rough idea, not something like an essay outline or a strict flowchart. < 1165093357 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say that's pretty much how I go about things < 1165093381 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PnP? < 1165093399 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plug n Play? < 1165093411 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Paper and Pencil, I assumed. < 1165093449 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shrugs
< 1165098471 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, PnP = paper and pencil, (as in RPG systems) < 1165098487 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION finds some clever code to flatten a Scheme-style tree:
< 1165098505 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Haskell, we would, of course have: < 1165098506 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :flatten (Cons Null r) = flatten r < 1165098509 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1165098514 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :data SCM = Cons SCM SCM | Null | ... < 1165098556 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can apparently flatten in linear time and ocnstant space, lazily if you use the clever trick: < 1165098561 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :flatten (Cons (Cons l m) r) = flatten $ Cons l $ Cons m r < 1165098570 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rest just writes itself < 1165098589 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just read about pipes in lisp < 1165098593 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very interesting < 1165098620 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pipes? < 1165098648 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a list of the form (1 2 3 . #) < 1165098653 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I got that trick from here: http://okmij.org/ftp/Scheme/misc.html#lazy-flattener) < 1165098674 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, nice < 1165098694 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kinda like python generators < 1165098779 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Haskell you get those for free < 1165098782 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1165098791 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh yeah < 1165099052 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Similar to a stream. < 1165099115 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(stream-list 1 2 3) => (1 . (delay (2 3))) < 1165099124 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the same thing as lazy evaluation. < 1165099130 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1165099262 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(define (interval x y) (if (< x y) (list x (delay (interval (+ x 1) y))) '())) < 1165099298 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That way, the Scheme interpreter only interprets as many list items as neccessary to complete an operation. < 1165099308 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's your effecient tail recursion. < 1165100756 0 :ivan`!i=ivan@wikipedia/ivan JOIN :#esoteric < 1165101433 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1165101710 0 :anonfunc!n=pimaniac@adsl-70-135-59-64.dsl.chi2ca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165102286 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while i understood the meaning of GIYF when simonRC used it, my translation was considerably less polite than the official one. < 1165102461 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which, apparently, wikipedia already has noted < 1165102783 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Lo, oerjan. < 1165102797 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi pikhq < 1165102811 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION contemplates discussing his recent changes to BFM, for the benefit of oerjan.
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ACTION runs away screaming
< 1165102827 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just kidding < 1165102870 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :First change, which I've discussed previously, is the C string support. < 1165102894 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Secondly, if one doesn't specify a location to @, it assigns one. < 1165102910 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Third, optimization is smarter. < 1165102916 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun < 1165102942 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finally, I've *almost* finished a rewrite of the compiler, splitting it into multiple passes for clarity's sake. < 1165102943 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've noticed all except the third before < 1165102953 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and fourth < 1165102999 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is optimization smarter? < 1165103041 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember your suggestion for having a cleared-cell stack? < 1165103052 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1165103057 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Implemented. < 1165103103 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I've got calls to right and left not clearing out the cleared-cell stack unless an operation which changes memory is used while doing relative addressing. < 1165103123 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, string output doesn't affect the cleared-cell stack at all. < 1165103219 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1165103244 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had some further ideas about declarations < 1165103282 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah? < 1165103291 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, a keeps0 declaration < 1165103300 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which does? < 1165103391 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is used at the beginning of a while. it checks the value of the location before the loop and acts as is0 only if it actually was zero < 1165103429 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. . . < 1165103452 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, something that'd be rather simple to add to the optimize pass. . . < 1165103506 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a "touches" declaration, with sort of the opposite meaning < 1165103544 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An "isnot0" if it wasn't 0 at the end of the loop? < 1165103546 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be a guarantee that those variables are the _only_ ones changed by the loop. useful to avoid some stack clearing < 1165103557 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1165103562 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. < 1165103590 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should write actual documentation so that people who don't know TCL can help out. < 1165103608 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be combined with left/right and would be a way to avoid clearing everything in that case < 1165103615 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might require a little bit of redesigning in ::optimize. . . Oh well. This kind of thing is *why* I split it into multiple passess. < 1165103622 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Razor-X: oerjan is one of those people. :p < 1165103636 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: So uh... what ze heck is is0 ? < 1165103645 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the cell 0? < 1165103658 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What optimizations does the compiler perform? < 1165103658 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a declaration that a cell is supposed to be 0 at that point of the program < 1165103664 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It tells the compiler that the cell is 0, so that it can avoid cell-clearing. < 1165103677 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Razor-X: Currently, it eliminates pointless cell-clearing. < 1165103680 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cell-clearing. Makes a lot of sense, seeing how much else I know of it :P < 1165103721 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got plans to make it check if the cell is 1, 2, -1, or -2, so that it can make some cell-clearing shorter. < 1165103732 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are you cell-clearing? < 1165103762 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of the macros do cell-clears to make sure the temporary variables are safe to use. . . < 1165103773 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cell-clearing is the first step of setting a brainfuck cell to a known value if it is unknown < 1165103781 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Temporary variables was what I suspected. < 1165103810 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although why you would keep the BF array and temporary variables on the same contiguous chunk of memory I have no idea. I would use something like a stack. < 1165103823 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also common is, well, breaking out of a loop. < 1165103830 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it compiles _to_ brainfuck < 1165103841 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yah. < 1165103858 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The temporary variables are passed as an argument to the macros. . . < 1165103885 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if the macros are clean, the temporary variables should leave no trace, no? < 1165103897 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the coder might *not* be clean. ;) < 1165103905 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DIRTY, DIRTY CODER < 1165103912 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a matter of severe paranoia. < 1165103928 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Extra swaddling eh? < 1165103941 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very un-C-like. < 1165103948 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it is simply due to clean macros clearing both before and after use < 1165103951 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That, and I'm not sure if *all* of the macros are clean, anyways. < 1165103961 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then why not use the Lisp philosophy of creating disparate namespaces for clean and unclean macros? < 1165103998 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the optimizer removes unnecessary cleanness < 1165104005 0 :tgwizard!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1165104015 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :making disparate namespaces unnecessary < 1165104025 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's a performance hit. < 1165104054 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given that the compiler takes under a second on the largest known BFM program, that's a moot point. < 1165104088 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_not_ optimizing would be trading cheap compiler performance for expensive programmer performance < 1165104094 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I like listening to Bran Cohen, who tells me to make sure that no part of your application is dependant on ``sane input defaults''. < 1165104112 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, IMO, it's more in the BF philosophy, but that's just me. < 1165104150 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would mean always using clean macros which cleared before and after use, as today < 1165104178 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One last thing to mention: the optimizing pass removes loops that won't ever run. < 1165104217 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, very easy with cleared cell handling < 1165104228 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That works right. . . < 1165104268 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I *was* going to do it when I first had cleared cell handling, but because it wasn't working well at all, I opted not to. < 1165105952 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes to bed
< 1165106577 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"loops that won't ever run"? < 1165106631 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the loop variable happens to be zero < 1165106696 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless cleaning those up is occuring during runtime or something, how do you determine whether or not it will be zero at that point? < 1165106698 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather: can be statically determined to be zero at this point of the program < 1165106716 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the point of the cleared cell stack < 1165106753 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1165106763 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: We can determine that some cells, at some points, are guaranteed to be 0. . . < 1165106773 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At other points, the codeer can tell the compiler the same thing. < 1165109192 0 :Arrogant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1165109641 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1165115471 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Bitte waehlen Sie eine Beerdigungnachricht" < 1165117356 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate this stuff < 1165117359 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.kidsprogramminglanguage.com/ < 1165117494 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1165120652 0 :ivan`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks harder than python < 1165120673 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Teaching kids to program is broken by defualt < 1165120681 0 :ivan`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1165120687 0 :ivan`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should take the initiative? < 1165120715 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1165120726 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not everyone is destined to be a coder, but starting early is a huge advantage. < 1165120736 0 :ivan`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was easier when everything was monochrome and only ran BASIC and asm < 1165120761 0 :ivan`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :today kids fulfill their computer torture quota fixing windows < 1165120785 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That looks just wrong. < 1165120851 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All one should do is give a kid the opportunity to become a programmer. . . Not. . . That. Eeeew. < 1165120871 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1165120878 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think BASIC remains a *great* way to introduce kids to programming. QBASIC is freeware now, I think... < 1165120891 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1165120896 0 :ivan`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :python > QBASIC < 1165120901 0 :ivan`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't braindamage any more innocent kids < 1165120908 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I first coded on QBASIC < 1165120909 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python, IMO, is a decent language for introducing programming. < 1165120929 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basic's decent, but a kid who gets serious can't move on further. < 1165120938 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We certainly don't need to engineer special languages for kids < 1165120947 0 :ivan`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell that to the coders who made the qbasic flight sim < 1165120967 0 :ivan`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad it couldn't double buffer < 1165120993 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :QBASIC is powerful for most things a kid could code on their own. DarkBASIC is a bit slow, but I think it's a pretty fantastic language. < 1165120996 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ivan`: That's comparable to a chess program in Brainfuck. . . Just because it can be done doesn't mean it *should*. < 1165121037 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: I'd be much more skillful if I had started with a 'serious' language in the first place, I feel. . . < 1165121053 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember longing for arrays when I coded in qbasic < 1165121063 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(even though I didn't know what an array was back then) < 1165121079 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember longing for *functions* when I did Apple Basic (although I didn't know what it was then). < 1165121084 0 :ivan`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember trying to do some parallel port communication without any debugging < 1165121096 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I barely could understand GOSUB < 1165121101 0 :ivan`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never figured out GOSUB < 1165121111 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just calling a subroutine < 1165121118 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was no "GOSUB". < 1165121124 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOTO was it. < 1165121129 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was like "why would someone want to do this?" < 1165121137 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's gosub in qbasic < 1165121170 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BASIC taught me to build constructs by myself- I *invented* stacks and other data structures to build games. I designed my own GUI library because Basic didn't have any facilities for it apart from graphics primitives. If I had started with a language like Python, all I would have learned was how to use existing versions of these things. < 1165121190 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So teach kids asm or c < 1165121203 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/teach/introduce to/ < 1165121270 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember learning VB5. I hold that that forever crippled any ability to make GUIs by hand < 1165121286 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :owch < 1165121316 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember being forced to learn VB6 so that my *dad* could pass the damned class. < 1165121337 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I've since rm -rf'd it) < 1165121351 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never really liked VB, mainly because the GUI portions always seemed to get in my way when I wanted to get actual work done. I'd have preferred trusty DarkBASIC any day. < 1165121380 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hated it with a passion, even then. < 1165121404 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you probably never understood it. < 1165121427 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that's what *caused* me to hate it with a passion. . . < 1165121465 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wasn't my first programming language. . . < 1165121875 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my favorite aspect of BASIC was that you could "escape" from the language- you could start loading and calling assembly or using pointers if you wanted to. It became as powerful a language as you wanted it to be. < 1165121961 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could (in theory) do psuedo-machine code. . . < 1165121981 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Large amounts of POKEs could do it. :p < 1165122019 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never used another interpreted language that gave you so much power over the machine. < 1165122075 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*echm* C interpreter. < 1165122424 0 :ivan`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :python + embedded C < 1165122427 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`$=`;$_=\%!;($_)=/(.)/;$==++$|;($.,$/,$,,$\,$",$;,$^,$#,$~,$*,$:,@%)=( < 1165122427 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$!=~/(.)(.).(.)(.)(.)(.)..(.)(.)(.)..(.)......(.)/,$"),$=++;$.++;$.++; < 1165122427 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$_++;$_++;($_,$\,$,)=($~.$"."$;$/$%[$?]$_$\$,$:$%[$?]",$"&$~,$#,);$,++ < 1165122428 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;$,++;$^|=$";`$_$\$,$/$:$;$~$*$%[$?]$.$~$*${#}$%[$?]$;$\$"$^$~$*.>&$=` < 1165122441 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And people say Perl isn't an esoteric programming language. < 1165122453 0 :ivan`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the worst case example < 1165122510 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: Forth < 1165122525 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: wtf is that < 1165122552 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ivan`: How do you embed C in python? < 1165122561 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't call FORTH a good language for beginners, bsmntbombdood < 1165122562 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: It outputs "Just another Perl hacker". < 1165122577 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: Why not? < 1165122683 0 :ivan`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood, http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:LcJmrOj-b1sJ:old.scipy.org/documentation/weave+python+weave&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1 < 1165122713 0 :ivan`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :part of http://www.scipy.org/ < 1165122728 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1165122740 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does it do it? < 1165122750 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno. < 1165122799 0 :ivan`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weave.inline() compiles and executes < 1165122812 0 :ivan`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :their idiotic webpage is broken < 1165122812 0 :ivan`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:8tUB6cC5RsUJ:old.scipy.org/documentation/weave/weaveusersguide.html+python+weave&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=2 < 1165122840 0 :ivan`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you're asking about the perl monstrosity < 1165122870 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No I was asking about the python+c < 1165123003 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries weave
< 1165123080 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...and it doesn't work < 1165123090 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1165123113 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reminds me of trying DarWine this morning, < 1165123129 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it couldn't even run the copy of notepad.exe it came with. < 1165123853 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1165123929 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b190/MissMaryMack/pics/Cool_Shit/Kitties/KittyHate.jpg < 1165123940 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION laughs heartily
< 1165125902 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g'night everyone. < 1165126472 0 :cmeme!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Excess Flood < 1165126604 0 :cmeme!n=cmeme@boa.b9.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1165126882 0 :cmeme!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Excess Flood < 1165127029 0 :cmeme!n=cmeme@boa.b9.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1165131832 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1165132799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1165132800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1165134049 0 :ivan`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Leading Edge IRC" < 1165135426 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1165140683 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-87-103.w81-49.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1165148157 0 :Eidolos!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1165151592 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Ik zen der is mee weg" < 1165154392 0 :jix!n=jix@L62e6.l.strato-dslnet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1165155178 0 :jix_!n=jix@L630f.l.strato-dslnet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1165156198 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1165161862 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"haaaaaaaaaa" < 1165162447 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1165164797 0 :CakeProphet_!n=CakeProp@h42.241.213.151.ip.alltel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165164799 0 :CakeProphet_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :CakeProphet < 1165165498 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION imagines RodgerTheGreat as Santa Claus.
< 1165165579 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1165165635 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, I mean "Ho Ho Ho" < 1165165643 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes! There you go! < 1165166148 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* i used to think of myself as a linux fan. but now that i'm accidentally using windows and IE i am starting to get so annoyed at certain anti-IE webpages that i want to stay with IE just out of stubborness. < 1165166171 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shudders.
< 1165166182 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was never anti-IE, but that's no reason to stick with an anathema. < 1165166298 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah! My intuitive asymptotic ordering on a set of asymptotically strictly-increasing functions is not transitive! < 1165166334 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah indeed < 1165166338 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha. Order it better. < 1165166347 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although why it needs to be transitive is anyone's guess. < 1165166367 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, otherwise it is not an ordering. < 1165166379 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doh. < 1165166389 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know? I feel sorta bad when someone in #scheme says they've been wrangling with a homework problem for 5 hours and I can think up a solution in a few minutes. < 1165166406 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, maybe the guy is just very stupid, but whatever. < 1165166454 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel the same when I go to a lecture and it turns out to be a 1-hour explanation of the obvious. < 1165166462 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you know, half of everybody is more stupid than average :) < 1165166471 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, this guy's in a college CS class. < 1165166479 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean.... that's what the real scary part is to me. < 1165166505 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of my formally assessed questions consists of ordering 25 functions by their asymptotic behaviour. :-( < 1165166510 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it would be easy < 1165166572 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now that I'm seeing, the differences between CL and Scheme are very very pedagogic in certain places. < 1165166583 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know several people in CS that honestly have no business programming < 1165166591 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if the functions are arbitrary it is probably impossible to do nicely. < 1165166656 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if they are all o(...) each other in some direction then that should give you an ordering. < 1165166687 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are all strictly-increasing after some point < 1165166697 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that won't help. < 1165166725 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they could still be dipping above and below each other indefinitely. < 1165166730 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFAICT, they in fact have an ordering < 1165166812 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course if they eventually don't cross each other then you can use the eventual order < 1165166869 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the problem with CS is that the average starting salary for that field is extremely high, so some people choose the major for the money. Hopefully, those people will switch majors after the first year or two. < 1165167061 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll tell you, it's pretty frustrating trying to help someone whose only coding experience is a one-semester class in VB code in Java. Some people just don't get it, and probably never will. < 1165167118 0 :tgwizard!n=tgwizard@c-923fe155.178-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1165167325 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1165167620 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is suprised that a certain function turns out to be constant
< 1165169949 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Programming classes just make stupid people who can't code think that they can < 1165170051 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, true. < 1165170087 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it takes more than a class to learn to be a programmer. If you aren't devoting a fair amount of your free time to coding, you'll never be good at it. < 1165170107 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1165170339 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/coding/anything < 1165170607 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should do some of those coding contests < 1165170678 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've done a few < 1165170737 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a good one? < 1165173499 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf61f7.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165175099 0 :Eidolos!n=Sartak@c-66-30-121-142.hsd1.ma.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165175883 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night" < 1165177049 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@24.55.113.24 JOIN :#esoteric < 1165179191 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-110-120.w86-218.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1165180351 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1165181572 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes for pizza.
< 1165181615 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun < 1165181653 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION yells at bitlbee
< 1165181716 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:30 [localhost] -!- *** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (!prev): 0x080d3f18 *** < 1165181721 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bastard. < 1165181864 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha. Garbage collection bug. < 1165182040 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun, garbage collection < 1165182076 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has anyone here heard of jMemorize? < 1165182133 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The magic words are "identify password" < 1165182149 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :identify password < 1165182158 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That kills bitlbee. < 1165182164 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, really? < 1165182178 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lemme try it. < 1165182213 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it does that for me. . . < 1165182225 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/password/your_password_here/, BTW. < 1165182235 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1165182262 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1165182337 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha, bitlbee < 1165182355 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, does anyone here use rcirc and want to compare it to erc? < 1165182370 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha, erc < 1165182395 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you use? < 1165182406 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You either use irssi or XChat if you are on *Nix. I assure you. < 1165182472 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Bitte waehlen Sie eine Beerdigungnachricht" < 1165182484 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep, xchat < 1165182497 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and irssi sometimes < 1165183061 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/ErcChess < 1165183280 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1165183764 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1165185445 0 :tgwizard!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1165188492 0 :dibic0!n=sanil@dhcp-228-62.eastdorm.uic.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1165188567 0 :dibic0!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1165190269 0 :ihope!n=foo@c-71-205-100-59.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165190794 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION should get off his lazy ass and do *something*.
< 1165190804 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1165190831 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've even failed to enjoy myself. < 1165191015 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION salutes Yahoo for making me even more sure that they're dumbasses. . .
< 1165191042 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're pushing IE7 to: Linux users, Mac users, and Windows users that either can't or won't switch to IE7. < 1165191224 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1165191305 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They've got something to the effect of "if(browser!=ie7) show_ie7_ad();" in their page. < 1165191324 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahaha < 1165191341 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I highly doubt, say, a PPC Debian user is going to switch to IE7. ;) < 1165191372 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With QEmu and Wine, it could happen ;) < 1165191450 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha-HAH, awesome. < 1165191456 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I searched for "what is the true meaning of life" < 1165191465 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the top result wasn't Jesusy :) < 1165191473 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The meaning of life is to increase fitness" < 1165191489 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Second one is Jesusy though ;) < 1165191531 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.gotquestions.org/images/bridge.gif < Another brilliant Jesus-imation! < 1165191563 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1165193156 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1165193325 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What you say?! < 1165193329 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What hell?! < 1165193482 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1165193531 0 :Razor-X!n=user@user-11faaoj.dsl.mindspring.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1165193568 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: I think I saw that once some long time ago. < 1165193588 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Long long long. I must have been, like... < 1165193598 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION holds his hand about an inch above the ground
< 1165194397 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back when you were a zygote? < 1165194959 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like that, yeah. < 1165196380 0 :anonfunc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1165196698 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) < 1165196826 0 :CakeProphet!n=CakeProp@h42.241.213.151.ip.alltel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165199892 0 :GregorR-L!n=GregorR-@c-71-193-149-252.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165205030 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1165207775 0 :ivan`!n=ivan`@wikipedia/ivan JOIN :#esoteric < 1165207863 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1165209569 0 :ivan`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1165212220 0 :ivan`!i=ivan@wikipedia/ivan JOIN :#esoteric < 1165213397 0 :ivan`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- IRC with a difference" < 1165213411 0 :ivan`!i=ivan@wikipedia/ivan JOIN :#esoteric < 1165217092 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1165219199 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1165219200 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1165221600 0 :cmeme!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Client terminated by server" < 1165221687 0 :cmeme!n=cmeme@boa.b9.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1165224790 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1165243003 0 :nooga!i=nooga@ip-50.net-41.rev.inter-c.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1165243038 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uouo < 1165248533 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) < 1165251135 0 :jix!n=jix@L605a.l.strato-dslnet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1165259906 0 :cmeme!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Excess Flood < 1165259990 0 :cmeme!n=cmeme@boa.b9.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1165261118 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1165264325 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf61f7.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165265319 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1165265753 0 :CakeProphet!n=CakeProp@h27.247.213.151.ip.alltel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165265756 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1165265844 0 :CakeProphet_!n=CakeProp@h27.247.213.151.ip.alltel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165265845 0 :CakeProphet_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :CakeProphet < 1165266074 0 :GregorR-L!n=GregorR-@c-71-193-149-252.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165270094 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Bitte waehlen Sie eine Beerdigungnachricht" < 1165270216 0 :ihope__!n=foo@c-71-205-100-59.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165281679 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1165282571 0 :ivan`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Go on, try it!" < 1165282710 0 :ihope__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/06.08.09" < 1165282831 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@24.55.113.24 JOIN :#esoteric < 1165282889 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has the BFM rewrite *almost* finished; going to work on packaging it up nicely.
< 1165283700 0 :ivan`!i=ivan@wikipedia/ivan JOIN :#esoteric < 1165285911 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesn't wanna make his passes into seperate passes. . . :'(
< 1165286319 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1165286328 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err. < 1165286333 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/passes./packages./ < 1165286345 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION also doesn't want to do the whole "documentation" thing
< 1165288777 0 :niarium!i=Uvanta__@125.188.27.20 JOIN :#esoteric < 1165289659 0 :niarium!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi all < 1165289674 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1165290446 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION leaveth
< 1165290452 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will return with BFM v0.1 < 1165290454 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1165292031 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"haaaaaaaaaa" < 1165292085 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=thematri@222-153-138-163.jetstream.xtra.co.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1165295609 0 :ivan`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1165295662 0 :ivan`!i=ivan@wikipedia/ivan JOIN :#esoteric < 1165297045 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1165297308 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :GreaseMonkey_afk < 1165299877 0 :GreaseMonkey_afk!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :GreaseMonkey < 1165301211 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does TK look so awful on non-commercial *nix based systems? < 1165302085 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Newsflash: < 1165302088 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tk looks awful everywhere;. < 1165302096 0 :niarium!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ROFL < 1165302216 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey gregor < 1165302223 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TK = ? < 1165302227 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me=matrix < 1165303930 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesen't look too awful on Mac OS X. < 1165303932 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just bad. < 1165303943 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: You know? The graphic toolkit TK? < 1165304198 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm... the one with KDE? < 1165304217 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, that's QT < 1165304271 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1165304282 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither QT nor GTK. < 1165304303 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone needs to remake TK's primitive widgets. < 1165304307 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never used it < 1165304315 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You've never heard of it? < 1165304332 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TK should use, oh I dunno, modern fonts maybe? < 1165305093 0 :anonfunc!n=pimaniac@adsl-70-135-59-64.dsl.chi2ca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165305441 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello anonfunc < 1165305447 0 :anonfunc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1165305469 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/ctcp version me < 1165305492 0 :anonfunc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd rather not < 1165305498 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bummer, doesn't say the OS < 1165305514 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xchat 2.0.7 - MandrakeLinux 10.0 < 1165305599 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1165305600 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1165305654 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.... Mandrake? < 1165305656 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No comment. < 1165305901 0 :jix!n=jix@195.37.106.60 JOIN :#esoteric < 1165305971 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't knock it 'til you try it. < 1165306022 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, Mandrake 10.0 is out of date, Mandriva 2007. < 1165306027 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Free download, just do it :-P < 1165306032 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's @ GreaseMonkey ) < 1165306204 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've tried it. < 1165306209 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I get to knock it then? < 1165306579 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k, gonna go, cya < 1165306608 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"SdBot2 sucks" < 1165307509 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep" < 1165313437 0 :SimonRC!n=sc@bylands.dur.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1165314922 0 :Eidolos!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1165321953 0 :oklopol!i=okokokok@194.251.102.88 JOIN :#esoteric < 1165323675 0 :jix!n=jix@L605a.l.strato-dslnet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1165323840 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1165323856 0 :jix!n=jix@L605a.l.strato-dslnet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1165328059 0 :jix_!n=jix@L61b1.l.strato-dslnet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1165329084 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1165331161 0 :niarium!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"나갑니다" < 1165334264 0 :Razor-X`!n=user@user-11faadf.dsl.mindspring.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1165335155 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1165341442 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip72-200-73-175.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165342675 0 :anonfunc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1165345625 0 :cmeme!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1165345665 0 :cmeme!n=cmeme@boa.b9.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1165345694 0 :cmeme!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1165345726 0 :cmeme!n=cmeme@boa.b9.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1165347038 0 :tgwizard!n=tgwizard@c-923fe155.178-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1165348096 0 :cmeme!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) < 1165348147 0 :cmeme!n=cmeme@boa.b9.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1165348178 0 :cmeme!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1165348209 0 :cmeme!n=cmeme@boa.b9.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1165352446 0 :CakeProphet!n=CakeProp@h56.225.213.151.ip.alltel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165352662 0 :GregorR-L!n=GregorR-@host-226-55.dhcp.pdx.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1165353670 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1165354405 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Bitte waehlen Sie eine Beerdigungnachricht" < 1165354564 0 :tgwizard!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1165356689 0 :GregorR-L!n=GregorR-@host-200-140.pubnet.pdx.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1165358417 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf61f7.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165358703 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1165362382 0 :evilC!n=clive_gi@ip-58-28-155-124.ubs-dsl.xnet.co.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1165362520 0 :evilC!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1165363582 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1165363582 0 :clog!n=nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1165363609 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :anthony.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1165363877 0 :sekhmet!n=pez@ppp-70-226-153-25.dsl.mdsnwi.ameritech.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165363912 0 :fizzie!n=fizban@sesefras.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1165364034 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=thematri@219-89-70-163.ipnets.xtra.co.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1165366696 0 :Razor-X`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1165367379 0 :Razor-X!n=user@user-11faadf.dsl.mindspring.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1165370730 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :GR______________ < 1165370768 0 :GR______________!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :GregorR < 1165371717 0 :Rugxulo!i=icechat5@adsl-065-013-115-246.sip.mob.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165371814 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1165371936 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quick poll: favorite esoteric language? < 1165371961 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl < 1165371967 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k, maybe no < 1165371970 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1165371977 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like befunge < 1165372021 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION likes sed ... but if that doesn't count, I guess Brainf*** and then not sure, False perhaps??
< 1165372080 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Befunge is nifty, but Malbolge (I think) is just ridiculous < 1165372100 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and unlambda is way, way over my head < 1165372121 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :got the game "enigma 1.00"? there's a level called "print 23" which you have to make a brainfuck program < 1165372143 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind? what's it supposed to do? < 1165372243 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a clone of oxyd < 1165372262 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oxyd is loke memory except you gotta do some weird puzzles < 1165372270 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you guide a ball around < 1165372319 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im working on a particle automaton < 1165372398 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_o < 1165372402 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have an AND gate now < 1165372435 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now made an OR gate < 1165372665 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now an XOR < 1165373251 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's my OR: < 1165373253 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :###-### < 1165373258 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#> + <# < 1165373261 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :### ### < 1165373266 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :__# # < 1165373273 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_ goes to space < 1165373754 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: favourite? probably Befunge < 1165373797 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think befunge has pretty much exactly the right feature set for fun _programming_ < 1165373818 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unlike say unlambda, which is really cool but nobody writes anything in it) < 1165373846 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1165373858 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep meaning to make a C-> befunge compiler or something. < 1165373861 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're all cool, but understanding how to write something nifty in it ... that's a whole other ball game :P < 1165373864 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :false is pretty nice but befunge totally gets it right < 1165373868 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe Forth->befunge < 1165373901 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are already a few converters (not necessarily for those but anyways ...) < 1165373902 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(befunge-93 anyhow) < 1165373992 0 :thematrixeatsyou!n=thematri@222-153-139-168.jetstream.xtra.co.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1165374132 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: where? < 1165374214 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: i think he just means that compilers targeting esolangs exist. < 1165374216 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not for Forth to Befunge, I just meant in general < 1165374301 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok < 1165374369 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is good news! < 1165374531 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks up unlambda
< 1165374568 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :enigma looks cool < 1165374686 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlambda is weird < 1165374700 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1165374706 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(surprised?) ;) < 1165374734 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lvogel.free.fr/sed.htm#unlambda < 1165374738 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1165374767 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a sed interpreter for unlambda ?! < 1165374789 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crazy < 1165374832 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup, almost as crazy as sokoban in sed (or factor or bf2c or dc or hanoi or ...) < 1165374845 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy crap < 1165374916 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bf2c is completely trivial < 1165374930 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1165374932 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should write a minimal-scheme interpreter < 1165374933 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm guessing so is hanoi < 1165374938 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :define and lambda < 1165375005 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1165375041 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.pell.portland.or.us/~orc/Code/bsd/bsd-current/sed/TEST/hanoi.sed < 1165375049 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not sure if that's the latest but whatever) < 1165375173 0 :thematrixeatsyou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1165375314 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1165376070 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehehe: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4049365580674350429&q=half+life+2+physics+domino+effect < 1165380038 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the point of s in unlambda? < 1165380372 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea, too bizarre for me < 1165380480 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1165380489 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'s' is for 'standard' < 1165380605 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1165380633 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s is a very standard combinator < 1165380806 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1165380908 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :..? < 1165380918 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlambda didn't invent all its stuff < 1165380928 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh I'll figure it out later < 1165380952 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure you will. < 1165381198 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :school is really harming my ability to think < 1165381360 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It kinda does that to all of us. < 1165381412 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our school is being charged $5/student for someone to create a system which a teacher can check a bunch of checkboxes, and input a Student's ID and these checkboxes will compose a voice message that will be sent out to the student's listed phone number. < 1165381434 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the hardware interface is added correctly, then that is a total RIP OFF. < 1165381473 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm torn between offering to help and betraying the students. < 1165381531 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The language is named after Malebolge, the eighth level of hell in Dante's Inferno, which is reserved for perpetrators of fraud." < 1165381538 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :better not defraud anyone ;) < 1165381563 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :malbolge sucks. < 1165381581 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I admire Malbolge for being incredibly incredibly esoteric and awful to program in. < 1165381596 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :While still retaining a semblance of programmability, and an allure of Turing completeness. < 1165381596 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not hard to create languages like malbolge. < 1165381616 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But lament is right. In that way, I think BF is genius. < 1165381673 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder who inveneted BF < 1165381703 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brainf***? < 1165381706 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Urban Mueller < 1165381709 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1165381718 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I call it BF mainly to elide the expletive, meh. < 1165381722 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He have anything else? < 1165381723 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: come on, spell fuck correctly < 1165381726 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :inspired by False, I think < 1165381740 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno, can't remember < 1165381747 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that I know of < 1165381755 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Urban Dominik Müller is the creator of the Aminet Amiga archive, the original author of the XPK compression library and the creator of the Brainfuck programming language. < 1165381755 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but I think the False guy had lots of other stuff) < 1165381798 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aardappel ("the false guy") has like 20 other esolangs and a few seriously cool programs (eg Cube) < 1165381809 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he used to hang out here but sadly disappeared :( < 1165381819 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's a genius programmer < 1165381910 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1165381952 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck has to be the most popular esolang < 1165382004 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the popularity of brainfuck is mostly due to the character set chosen for the instructions < 1165382009 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just looks so pretty < 1165382013 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise, the language is nothing special < 1165382082 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? I think it's quite nice ... I mean, how do you compare languages anyways? they are all different, meant for different things, etc. < 1165382126 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wouter.fov120.com/index.html < 1165382130 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(False creator's web page) < 1165382501 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW, a cool Brainf*** compiler (outputs .COM) written in NASM is here: http://home.arcor.de/partusch/html_en/bfd.html < 1165382810 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: you compare languages with a magical language comparator. < 1165382830 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: i doubt many people here can run .com files < 1165382838 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dosbox.sf.net < 1165382845 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1165382865 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :easier to write your own compiler < 1165382885 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can run so many other goodies with DOSBOX :D < 1165382894 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it ain't a huge download either < 1165383273 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Come *ON* Wikipedia you slow pile of crap!) < 1165383389 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :www. works fine but en. gives: < 1165383391 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :While trying to retrieve the URL: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1165383391 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The following error was encountered: < 1165383391 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : * Connection to 145.97.39.155 Failed < 1165383391 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The system returned: < 1165383394 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : (113) No route to host < 1165383450 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just getting 502 errors on google (!!!) < 1165383458 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps there's a serious DoSing in progress < 1165383489 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's suddenly working again < 1165383678 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1165383976 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my computer science class, we were assigned a group of functions to implement recursively. It was really easy, so now I'm working on reimplementing them in BASIC. doing recursion without actual function calls and no variable scoping makes it a great deal more interesting. < 1165383991 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does that work? < 1165384079 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stack-in-an-array? < 1165384102 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, so far I did a simple addition routine < 1165384114 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me paste in my code: < 1165384196 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 INPUT A,B:GOSUB 20:PRINT A:END < 1165384218 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20 IF B>1 THEN B=B+1:GOSUB 20 < 1165384230 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :30 A=A+1:RETURN < 1165384292 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, that would crash if B>1, surely? < 1165384320 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or overflow the call stack rather. < 1165384335 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erk < 1165384343 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :B=B+1 should be B=B-1 < 1165384346 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1165384347 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :typed it in wrong < 1165384351 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: GOSUB counts as a funtion call < 1165384369 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since there's a stack < 1165384384 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there is no local scope. < 1165384390 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. < 1165384413 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's a primitive type of function call < 1165384740 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1165386334 0 :GregorR-L!n=GregorR-@c-71-193-149-252.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165391999 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1165392000 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1165392145 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1165392146 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=thematri@222-154-125-12.jetstream.xtra.co.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1165392656 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh. Reading the Vorbis specification truly humbles me. < 1165393460 0 :Arrogant!i=Arrogatn@163.orlando-09-10rs.fl.dial-access.att.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165394204 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :###-### < 1165394205 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#> + <# < 1165394205 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :### ### < 1165394205 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : # # < 1165394218 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an OR gate for my new particle automaton < 1165394234 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k, gonna get some sleep, cya < 1165394348 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Remember: I need a banana banana banana teracotta banana teracotta terracotta pie." < 1165394352 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone done quicksort in brainfuck? < 1165395490 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1165395499 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes for breakfast
< 1165395831 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DD < 1165396568 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Recursion isn't exactly... BF's strongpoint. < 1165397087 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true, but i've been making this string parser as a wimpmode for it, stacks are as easy to use with it as in ... languages they are easy to use :D < 1165397246 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The amount of work being done in BF is huge. Notably BFC and BFASM for something akin to today's developing tools or pikhq's BFM for an optimizing BF semi-high-level macro system. < 1165397399 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh... bad idea you say? :D < 1165397461 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, go ahead, I guess. Heh. < 1165397481 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me, personally, I'm tired of BF. It was really innovative the first time I saw it. < 1165397495 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, equally fun, stupid or not :) < 1165397506 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :INTERCAL is fun. < 1165397514 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, this is prolly the last thing i do with it :) < 1165397558 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never done intercal :\ < 1165397572 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe today < 1165397670 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@129.241.210.68 JOIN :#esoteric < 1165399883 0 :Arrogant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1165402952 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1165408312 0 :jix!n=jix@L61b1.l.strato-dslnet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1165410121 0 :cmeme!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Client terminated by server" < 1165410136 0 :cmeme!n=cmeme@boa.b9.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1165412145 0 :nooga!i=nooga@ip-50.net-41.rev.inter-c.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1165412176 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oi < 1165415024 0 :jix_!n=jix@L63ca.l.strato-dslnet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1165415491 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1165420902 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1165429712 0 :GregorR-L!n=GregorR-@192.55.60.43 JOIN :#esoteric < 1165430282 0 :meatmanek!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :SendQ exceeded < 1165436892 0 :meatmanek!n=meatmane@cpe-65-29-79-179.indy.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1165439096 0 :Sph1nx!n=sphinx@89-178-54-248.broadband.corbina.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1165441126 0 :Sph1nx!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"�� �������� ����!" < 1165444044 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=thematri@222-152-182-55.jetstream.xtra.co.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1165445159 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Bitte waehlen Sie eine Beerdigungnachricht" < 1165446495 0 :CakeProphet!n=CakeProp@h224.242.213.151.ip.alltel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165446624 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1165446916 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1165447038 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happens when I do this: < 1165447039 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1165447097 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get a blank message < 1165447098 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1165447117 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was supposed to make your compuer beed a lot < 1165447128 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was supposed to be a string of BELs < 1165447144 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i have nix < 1165447149 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :linux < 1165447173 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"gotta take a linux" "don't forget to flush" < 1165447532 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-S < 1165447894 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1165447931 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, is nonlogic taking new accts? < 1165447935 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not, then when? < 1165448321 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hum < 1165448328 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :talked to the programming teacher at my school just now < 1165448378 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"OOP OOOP OOP OOP OOP IS THE AWNSER OOP OOP" < 1165448424 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Java teacher? < 1165448481 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He teachs c++ and java < 1165448484 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c++ is teh ghey < 1165448487 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c ftw < 1165448492 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c is fun < 1165448493 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, c++ IS an ass < 1165448504 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can do OOP in C < 1165448512 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1165448512 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i usually make my own scripting langs though < 1165448516 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to convince him that < 1165448539 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"OOP means data hiding" < 1165448554 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OOP means incompatibility with real langs < 1165448557 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"it can be oop unless it has compiler enforce private methods" < 1165448565 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/it can/it can't/ < 1165448579 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :minor typo there < 1165448603 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OOP is a tool. Passing it off as worthless is just as stupid as accepting it as the solution for all problems. < 1165448619 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No one said it was worthless < 1165448624 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was slinging mud at C++ < 1165448627 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OOP is a style, not part of the language < 1165448634 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1165448653 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for all i know, it could be a Befunge program < 1165448666 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a paradigm made easier to use with language support, though such support is not strictly necessary. < 1165448678 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And C++ gets a bad name, and D doesn't get enough press. < 1165448682 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, function pointers are generally considered a prerequisite to implementing an OO language. < 1165448718 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: exactly < 1165448743 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could write OO assembler without difficulty. < 1165448757 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1165448759 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1165448770 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not according to him though < 1165448771 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CALL [ebx] , anyone? < 1165448809 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oop needs inheritance, polymorphism, encapsulation < 1165448811 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1165448812 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"haaaaaaaaaa" < 1165448825 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alas, some OO langs have ended up using the same mechanism (classes) for encapsulation, datatype definition, and method inheritance. That sucks. < 1165448864 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and classes are sometimes used where interface should be used, futher muddying the matter. < 1165448891 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interface? < 1165448897 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a class is an interface < 1165448919 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was refering to thing like "List" being an abstract. < 1165448922 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ class < 1165448937 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHat's wrong with that? < 1165448942 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's how python is < 1165449015 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :encapsulation should be done with modules, datatypes should be defined seperately from their methods, multiple dispatch/overriding/virtual methods should be done with multimethods (and multiple-parameter typeclasses preferrably). < 1165449019 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: erm, no < 1165449038 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1165449041 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python uses duck typing, interfaces are defined in the comments, informally. < 1165449055 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A list is a class < 1165449061 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1165449075 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, wrong terminology. < 1165449113 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant that there would be an *abstract* sequence class that vectors and linked lists inherited from. < 1165449130 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.esolangs.org/wiki/Glass . 'nuff said. < 1165449132 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vectors actually being Python's lists, to confuse matters < 1165449162 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :New style classes in python have a common inheritance < 1165449199 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OST, maybe I am wrong about what I just said. < 1165449201 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never mind < 1165449212 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But algebraic datatypes rock. < 1165449234 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as do typeclasses < 1165449263 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especial multiple-parameter typecalsses with fundeps. < 1165449295 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...that being? < 1165449316 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard to explain < 1165449382 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OOP wouldn't be too bad in TheSquare < 1165449385 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are like interfaces, except that can apply to more than one (OO) class. < 1165449398 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fundeps allow the compiler to deduce more stuff < 1165449583 0 :CakeProphet!n=CakeProp@h224.242.213.151.ip.alltel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165449606 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1165449641 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm < 1165449678 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are all wrong. < 1165449691 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :orly? how so? < 1165449706 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament could have that on a T-Shirt. < 1165449789 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hopes lament is typing a long and enlightening sentance.
< 1165449801 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION too
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ACTION hopes that lament is typing a long rant that will make this conversation keep spiraling into the tubes.
< 1165449858 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1165449859 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well - I need an idea for a project for the programming teacher < 1165449956 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A roguelike! < 1165449978 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :boring < 1165449982 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They can last as a project from a few days to a lifetime. < 1165450405 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: a virtual girlfriend < 1165450416 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1165450554 0 :DarthLappy!n=darthshr@pdpc/supporter/student/DarthShrine JOIN :#esoteric < 1165450789 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WRU? < 1165450933 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WRU? < 1165451594 0 :DarthLappy!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1165452664 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm... < 1165452696 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Changing the entire foundation of your fairly-developed-but-not-quite-complete system structure is absolutely lovely < 1165452894 0 :Keymaker!n=nobody@xdsl-237-87.nebulazone.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1165453364 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ##-# < 1165453365 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 > +< 2 < 1165453365 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : # < 1165453365 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : - < 1165453365 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : # < 1165453365 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ## < 1165453370 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ftw < 1165454131 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is away: afk pie
< 1165454150 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pie made from the sweet sweet AFK berries. < 1165454432 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf61f7.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165454649 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1165454730 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1165455582 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1165458764 0 :JadussD!n=not@adsl-68-75-60-236.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165459857 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1165459865 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JadussD: who are you? < 1165459871 0 :JadussD!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a wanderer i guess < 1165459895 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know what this place was before coming here? < 1165459915 0 :JadussD!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a way, i had an idea. < 1165459926 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where did you find out about it? < 1165459934 0 :JadussD!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guessed that it existed. < 1165459939 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1165459945 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't we all. < 1165459963 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. I think I read about it on an esolanging webpage < 1165459986 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I know a few of the inhabitants here from other channels < 1165459997 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't :( < 1165460031 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have a look around the wiki, there're loads of esolangs on there, not all implemented. < 1165460037 0 :JadussD!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have encountered brainfuck before... < 1165460041 0 :JadussD!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is new to me though < 1165460063 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was the first esolang I found out about too < 1165460091 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NewScientist ran a small column on esolangs many years back, and I Googled#. < 1165460104 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC I was in secondary school. < 1165460518 0 :JadussD!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had no idea there were so many programming languages, cool. does anyone know of one designed for relating words, ie, one designed for words grouped into categories like "synonym", "antonym", a two word replacement for a single word, etc? < 1165461356 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1165461927 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"haaaaaaaaaa" < 1165463596 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1165463635 0 :Razor-X!n=user@user-11faadf.dsl.mindspring.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1165463644 0 :GregorR-L!n=GregorR-@c-71-193-149-252.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165464143 0 :JadussD!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1165467889 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gtg food < 1165467911 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Connection error 130 (Monkey too greasy)" < 1165468928 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :anthony.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1165469168 0 :pgimeno!n=pgimeno@124.Red-80-59-211.staticIP.rima-tde.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165469351 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1165475655 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1165476129 0 :ivan`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :" Like VS.net's GUI? Then try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-" < 1165478399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1165478400 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1165479699 0 :ShadowHntr!i=sentinel@wikipedia/Shadowhntr JOIN :#esoteric < 1165484082 0 :tgwizard!n=tgwizard@c-923fe155.178-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1165486472 0 :ShadowHntr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"End of line." < 1165488651 0 :tgwizard!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1165502964 0 :jix!n=jix@L621c.l.strato-dslnet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1165508337 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1165508402 0 :Arrogant!i=Paragon@26.orlando-09-10rs.fl.dial-access.att.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165508941 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1165509623 0 :fizzie2!n=fizban@sesefras.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1165510910 0 :fizzie2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1165511097 0 :fizzie2!n=fizban@sesefras.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1165512716 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey guys, check this out: http://archives.nesc.ac.uk/gcproposal-5/0080.html < 1165512775 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.bookofparagon.com/Mathematics/PerspexMachineIII.pdf < 1165513972 0 :tgwizard!n=tgwizard@c-923fe155.178-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1165517923 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1165518468 0 :RodgerTheGreat!n=RodgerTh@wads-5-233-82.resnet.mtu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1165520032 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: Ah, just some guy who seems to have invented a nice way to extend the reals to handle 0/0. < 1165520174 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've heard the story in the another channel, and concluded the guy was pretty boring so make (or invent) that useless symbol. < 1165520345 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, i wonder last time i tell something here :S < 1165520372 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's apparently got a mildly useful system out of it. < 1165520419 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there is a great quote in his paper (from memory): "The popularity of IEEE floating-point shows that the Reals are not fit for purpose." < 1165520473 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bleh. I heard about this story just a few hours ago in another channel. < 1165520507 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, what *is* nullity / nullity? < 1165521275 0 :wooby!n=alan@ny-lancastercadent4g1-3a-236.buf.adelphia.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165521287 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1165521365 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Razor-X: 0/0 it appears < 1165521396 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A CS grad I know says that this system looks useful for his work (program correctness, among other things). < 1165521735 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1165521746 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't read the actual paper, just someone else's gloss-over. < 1165521758 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's too intense I won't until my flu abates, either. < 1165521869 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PerspexMachineIII.pdf is the actual paper? link seems broken. < 1165523327 0 :oklopol!i=okokokok@194.251.102.88 JOIN :#esoteric < 1165523369 0 :Arrogant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1165524263 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there some sort of little-DSP-vocabulary-knowledge version of the Vorbis (or MP3) standard out there? < 1165525691 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In trying to cut down the possible algorithms for sorting 5 items with just 7 comparisons, I think I am gradually creating a proof that such an algorithm cannot exist. < 1165525709 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun < 1165525727 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trying to find one is summative coursework. < 1165525739 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bubble sort ftw < 1165525973 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The constraints so far are guiding my algorith-creation precisely. < 1165526014 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now all I have to do is keep following the constrains and prove new ones until I get either an answer or a complete set of dead-ends. < 1165526066 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone interested in Hisashi Iizawa's Malbolge paper? < 1165526120 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a plan to translate the paper to english, although i'm not fluent in japanese (only have basic understanding) < 1165526123 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a load of shit: http://www.bbc.co.uk/berkshire/content/articles/2006/12/06/divide_zero_feature.shtml < 1165526173 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A compsci grad says it looks useful for proably-correct programs, as it makes division total. < 1165526662 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf61f7.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165528536 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where's the paper? I'll give the translation a go. < 1165528565 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Malbolge one, obviously. < 1165528580 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Razor-X, http://www.sakabe.i.is.nagoya-u.ac.jp/~nishida/DB/pdf/iizawa05ss2005-22.pdf here. < 1165528628 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you understand japanese? < 1165528645 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. I can. < 1165528652 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... And Xpdf renders that into garbage. < 1165528668 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I need to get the Japanese fonts for it. < 1165528723 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you can translate the paper better than i can ;) < 1165528773 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, my Japanese is alright. Enough for teen novels with difficulty. < 1165528816 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use pdf2text or similar? < 1165528823 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe... hmmm... < 1165528852 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. It's an xpdf thing, after all. < 1165528866 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bleh. And the Japanese language pack on the Foolabs site seems unavailable. < 1165528888 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm learning japanese, but not so good for the paper ;) what i can do is to figure out the meaning from machanical translation. < 1165528936 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(japanese to korean translation is very excellent, and i know common mistakes by the translation.) < 1165529121 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you'll probably be pretty good at it, because my closest (mental) bridge is to Bengali. < 1165529130 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Korean *is* a CJK language so.... < 1165529212 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sobo.ruree.net/tmp/malbolge.txt this is my current translation (incomplete). < 1165529294 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error: Couldn't find a font for 'Ryumin-Light-H' < 1165529294 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error: Couldn't find a font for 'GothicBBB-Medium-H' < 1165529297 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guh. < 1165529304 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meant for scratch buffer, sorry. < 1165529304 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... < 1165529342 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about this? < 1165529342 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://72.14.253.104/search?hl=ko&q=cache%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.sakabe.i.is.nagoya-u.ac.jp%2F~nishida%2FDB%2Fpdf%2Fiizawa05ss2005-22.pdf&btnG=%EA%B2%80%EC%83%89&lr= < 1165529375 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :google cache is enough for seeing pdfs without figures. < 1165529408 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh. Google beats xpdf. < 1165529649 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Bitte waehlen Sie eine Beerdigungnachricht" < 1165530376 0 :ShadowHntr!i=sentinel@wikipedia/Shadowhntr JOIN :#esoteric < 1165530431 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is going to be tough. I'll start in a bit on it with force. < 1165530441 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I'll need an undisturbed atmosphere. < 1165531160 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW, I found that the sorting problem I was trying to do to be just about possible. < 1165531186 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really did find the solution by trying to prove that none existed. < 1165531361 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=thematri@222-152-167-254.jetstream.xtra.co.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1165531776 0 :CakeProphet!n=CakeProp@h183.229.213.151.ip.alltel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165532503 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tokigun: I'm very interested in that paper < 1165532533 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: So, how do you do it? < 1165532543 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno, so do i. < 1165532622 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Iizawa didn't mention actual construction of 99 bottles of beer program, but anyway it seems to be useful for programming in malbolge. < 1165532729 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already took advantage of a Google translation to find that the basis of Iizawa's method was 'data modules', but I'm interested in the details < 1165532735 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: I'll post is in a moe < 1165532737 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*mo < 1165532775 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i didn't fully understand the idea too < 1165532860 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you seen my translation above? data module is discussed in chapter 4, and it is fully translated. take a look at it please ;) < 1165532866 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just saved your txt (Mozilla does not wrap text) < 1165532903 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrap text can be get by showing source... maybe < 1165532933 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this the guy's graduate paper? < 1165532943 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :once translated, can i post the translation to wiki? < 1165532976 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Razor-X, seems not. i guess Iizawa is a professor and Sakabe et al. are grad students. < 1165532980 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tokigun: not even that way, I'm reading it with a different editor... and I guess the text is not free < 1165533001 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok then, because he refers to a compound word that translates as ``Senior Research''. < 1165533028 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, cannot be in public domain... i see. < 1165533061 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the aim of the paper is Malbolge in usage for programming protection. < 1165533066 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Razor-X, you mean a sentence shortly after sample malbolge program? < 1165533070 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tokigun: Yeah. < 1165533086 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :After his "Hello World!" program. < 1165533141 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it should be translated "previous works" or something else, because it refers (for example) making cat program in malbolge and so on. < 1165533195 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like Andrew Cooke and Lou Scheffer... < 1165533254 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I would've translated it as "In this senior research paper, I have found that Malbolge can produce some of the most feasibly difficult programs ever. Programming in Malbolge is not a widely known art" at least, that first paragraph. < 1165533307 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The paragraph directly below his hello world program. < 1165533330 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe correct. < 1165533374 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Translation is hard :/ < 1165533383 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i'd confused if senior research means Iizawa's or other people's... nevermind.) < 1165533595 0 :ShadowHntr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1165533779 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a kinetic command? < 1165533795 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Razor-X, dynamic command? < 1165533799 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking about that. < 1165533800 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the purpose that Iizawa uses as excuse (obfuscation) I like MiniSCule best... the inner loop does not look like an interpreter and noone would say the data manipulation is actually a program < 1165533818 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there something about inputting programs on the same line in Malbolge? < 1165533864 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The third bullet point in his list of difficulties I would translate as "It is difficult to write dynamic [Trans: Lit: kinetic] commands on the same line" < 1165533899 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've translated that to... < 1165533899 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Each instruction forces to rewrite the program, so it's hard to repeat same sequence of instructions. < 1165533909 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it refers to encryption < 1165533929 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :each instruction suffers a translation after being executed < 1165533937 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I will wait until the submission deadline before putting it online I think. < 1165533976 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, the Japanese says "dynamic write". < 1165533982 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had know idea what that meant. < 1165533984 0 :tgwizard!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1165533988 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/know/no/ < 1165533995 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dynamically rewritten? < 1165534018 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It uses the normal verb for "to write". < 1165534077 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah. I'm taking a break :P < 1165534085 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One page of this, and it's intense. < 1165534090 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1165534118 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't feel too bad. If I was an average Japanese student of my age, assuming American educational equivalence, it would be difficult to read also. < 1165534144 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm feeling writing in english is harder than reading japanese... *phew* < 1165534152 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1165534169 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the title is a great example between the differences between English and Japanese. < 1165534213 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obfuscated Programming Language Malbolge in Program Organization Method, literally. < 1165534504 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found interesting fact in the paper... read last sentence in chapter 8 (conclusion). < 1165534787 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4.3 looks really promising < 1165535125 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1165536767 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is away: afk food
< 1165536925 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :food! well breakfast time is passed... :S < 1165536986 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: Away notifications are EVIL < 1165537017 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are they so evil? < 1165537041 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because < 1165537121 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: because we don't give a shit. < 1165537138 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: it would make some sense if you were talking to begin with. < 1165537142 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: but you weren't. < 1165538133 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is back (gone 00:22:46)
< 1165538163 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k, its off now < 1165538193 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :breakfast time is passed for me too (good night) < 1165538636 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sobo.ruree.net/tmp/malbolge.txt almost done. chapter 7 discusses general method of programming, just summary of chapter 4, 5, 6. < 1165538973 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn put some newlines in there < 1165539055 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it could use some serious english-ization < 1165539203 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood, i've put some newlines. and my english is not good enough for doing so < 1165539352 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i'll welcome if someone suggests correction and so on of course... < 1165539615 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll make some changes < 1165539628 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks. < 1165539839 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure what to do with "Several special programming languages are called esoteric programming language; they are designed not like general programming languages, so a program in these languages is hard to write or understand." < 1165539925 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@24.55.113.24 JOIN :#esoteric < 1165539930 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1165540115 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@24.55.113.24 JOIN :#esoteric < 1165540120 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, i mean "some PLs are called esolang; their design criteria is different with general PL -- that is, hard to write or understand the program" maybe < 1165540163 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i've dozed while translating, here is 10:00 am) < 1165540194 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION would like to apologise for the delay in BFM's release. . .
< 1165540256 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found the Tcl style guide. . . I'm trying to follow it exactly. < 1165540256 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some programming languages are considered esoteric -- that is, hard to write or understand. < 1165540355 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The style guide mandates (shock) documentation and comments. . . < 1165540476 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, at least, should be glad. ;) < 1165540661 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, tired of this < 1165540674 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: "this" refers to. . .? < 1165540678 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bsmntbombdood.mooo.com/malbolge.txt , english-ized up to line 78 < 1165540701 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you a lot! < 1165540704 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huzzah! < 1165540720 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Korean? < 1165540732 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THink it's japenese < 1165540753 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :japanese, as translated by a korean into english? < 1165540788 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing that it's Korean, since if it were Japanese, I ould read at least some of it. ;) < 1165540793 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(untranslated, that is) < 1165540810 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As it is, it looks like /dev/urandom to me. < 1165540826 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :japanese translated into korean first (mostly mechanically), and translated into (poor) english by me < 1165540857 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1165540942 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have to sleep now... have a nice day (or night, depending on your timezone) :) < 1165541501 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes
< 1165543076 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh. I've translated Chapter 1. < 1165543107 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hopefully it has Englishization, but it's hard to map Japanese tenses to English. < 1165547129 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm getting off this box, cya < 1165547153 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Connection error 130 (Monkey too greasy)" < 1165547498 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"haaaaaaaaaa" < 1165548051 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many tenses does japanese have? < 1165548145 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{past,present,can't-remember-what-the-te-form/-ing-form-would-be}{plain,formal} < 1165548316 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-ing as in present participle? < 1165548324 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd be it, I believe. < 1165548333 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Future tense? Bah, humbug. ;) < 1165548344 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although -ing has two different meanings in english < 1165548560 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm guessing japanese has enough tenses. all languages do. < 1165548568 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where "enough" is like 15. < 1165548588 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just might be using relatively unusual ways of differentiating them < 1165548635 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1165548641 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I count a small handful that I know of. < 1165548642 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gerund was the word i was looking for < 1165548669 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume japanese has some way to express the subjunctive? < 1165548678 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gerund, in Japanese. . . Formal "desu" or "de gozaimasu" (the latter being more formal), plan "da". < 1165548695 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since I can't remember what the subjunctive is, I wouldn't know ATM. ;) < 1165548742 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I wish I were a fish", were is subjunctive < 1165548788 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about conditional? "I would swim" < 1165548788 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :norwegian just uses ordinary past tense for it, by the way < 1165548895 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Russian has a special mood indicator particle < 1165548896 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every language can express anything but they differ in what distinctions are mandatory to express < 1165548932 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for that language where there're no numbers :) < 1165548962 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're _probably_ right but who knows < 1165548973 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean you're in a direct contradiction to sapir-whorf < 1165549014 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: "tai" ending. . . To be honest, though, the "tai" ending makes the whole verb. . . thing into an adjective. < 1165549062 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Tabemasu." -> "tabetai desu." == "I eat" -> "I want to eat." < 1165549081 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: there's this portuguese word, "Saudade", and you certainly can express it in English, but it requires a whole Wikipedia article to do so... < 1165549208 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's saudade mean? < 1165549220 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :similarly, russian doesn't have the verb "to be" (well, not really), so "I think therefore I am" is translated as "I think therefore I exist", which is quite a bit less visceral < 1165549234 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudade < 1165549263 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1165549267 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"feeling of longing for something that one is fond of, which is gone, but might return in a distant future. It often carries a fatalist tone and a repressed knowledge that the object of longing might really never return." < 1165549499 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's funny < 1165549512 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if there's any english words that are that complicated < 1165549526 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mu. < 1165549566 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mu? < 1165549614 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You make the false assumption that there are english words that *aren't* that complicated. < 1165549626 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: "Saudade" isn't complicated. It's simply saudade. < 1165549630 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One short word. < 1165549664 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not the fault of Portuguese that English requires a long sentence to translate it. < 1165549673 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The english translation is complicated < 1165549686 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously the English translation of English words is not gonna be complicated. < 1165549690 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Being one word long! < 1165549709 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah < 1165549760 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Untranslatability < 1165549831 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Serendipity" is a very good one < 1165549856 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha...I don't even know what that means < 1165549980 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose that would be hard to translate < 1165550291 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tenses in Japanese ignoring honor level: Present, Past, Progressive, Volitional, Impression, Desire, others I can't remember. < 1165550340 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Razor-X: Thank you for filling in what I forget. < 1165550343 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of the tenses (Impression and Desire are some offhand) have multiple versions, and then you have honorific forms and humble forms (and by extension, humble honorific forms). < 1165550361 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And, of course, coarse forms.) < 1165550402 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, of course, there are no future tenses. ;) < 1165550417 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1165550450 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds pretty nice < 1165550477 0 :ShadowHntr!i=sentinel@wikipedia/Shadowhntr JOIN :#esoteric < 1165550486 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The language is pretty neat but, the gulf between levels of prose is immense. < 1165550517 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What you'll hear spoken is almost nonexistant in, say, a teen novel, and these all pale to what you can find in something like a thesis paper. < 1165550553 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's true of every language. < 1165550563 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm reading Harry Potter right now in Spanish < 1165550574 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's scary how complicated the language is :) < 1165550579 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(to a total newbie like me) < 1165550584 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah, I take spanish at school < 1165550588 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I can read Harry Potter in Japanese, to an extent. < 1165550605 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH i have looked at real Spanish writers and their spanish is mindblowing < 1165550610 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the grammar is really easy. Just the vocabulary. < 1165550651 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: y como? sabes lo bien? < 1165550656 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1165550674 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaagh don't do that to me < 1165550703 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, chido, no te molestare < 1165550756 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Razor-X: spoken language is always way easier than everything else < 1165550765 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :learn 300 words and you're all set :D < 1165550847 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, there are some things about Japanese that are annoying. < 1165550897 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of Japanese has almost *no* compound words, unlike the Romance/Germanic languages. Well, maybe they were compound, but Japanese changed so dramatically during the reforms that it's almost impossible to trace back. < 1165550987 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And of course you have the whole Kanji system, which is annoying at a certain level, but beautiful at another. < 1165557377 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's funny how in Chinese, the characters are neither particularly annoying nor particularly beautiful < 1165557382 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're just how people write stuff < 1165557394 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in Japanese, they get this special position < 1165558100 0 :ShadowHntr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the quote brackets they use in japanese. < 1165558100 0 :ShadowHntr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1165558117 0 :ShadowHntr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the corners of a rectangle < 1165558123 0 :ShadowHntr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :upper left and lower right < 1165558126 0 :ShadowHntr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :around a phrase < 1165558131 0 :ShadowHntr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or title < 1165559327 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night" < 1165564799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1165564800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1165574057 0 :ShadowHntr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"End of line." < 1165584417 0 :jix!n=jix@L621c.l.strato-dslnet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1165587934 0 :jix_!n=jix@L61ea.l.strato-dslnet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1165588434 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1165589721 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@24.55.113.24 JOIN :#esoteric < 1165595732 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: The next release of BFM should be able to run readily in EgoBot. . . < 1165595756 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm currently working on an interpreter pass. ;) < 1165595793 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, since BFM can now read in code from stdin. . . You've got your work cut out for you. < 1165596829 0 :wooby!n=alan@cpe-66-67-60-51.rochester.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1165597143 0 :GregorR-L!n=GregorR-@192.102.209.4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1165597283 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION should probably get off his ass and finish making the bloody changes to BFM
< 1165599587 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1165599847 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty much where I'm at involves finishing the interpretation pass, frobbing with the command line parser a bit, and tarring it up. < 1165600113 0 :fizzie2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :fizzie < 1165601088 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1165601677 0 :jix!n=jix@L61ea.l.strato-dslnet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1165602842 0 :The_8472!n=stardive@azureus/The8472 JOIN :#esoteric < 1165602846 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Lo. < 1165602861 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome < 1165603113 0 :tgwizard!n=tgwizard@c-923fe155.178-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1165605377 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION notes that the Esolang contest *still* isn't done.
< 1165609041 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1165609045 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Lo. < 1165609064 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1165609195 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of ''course'' the esolang contest still isn't done. It is a long standing tradition that those contests never get judged :) < 1165609340 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1165610146 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1165614611 0 :ivan`!i=ivan@wikipedia/ivan JOIN :#esoteric < 1165616113 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Bitte waehlen Sie eine Beerdigungnachricht" < 1165617073 0 :Rugxulo!i=icechat5@adsl-065-013-115-246.sip.mob.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165617101 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brainf*** question: is decrementing 0 supposed to stay at 0 or not? < 1165617114 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends on the implementation. < 1165617126 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most will wrap to 255 (or their bitwidth), some will crash, some will stay 0. < 1165617134 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some even support proper negative numbers. < 1165617150 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The original implementation would wrap to 255. < 1165617178 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1165617218 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, ever written anything in BF? < 1165617258 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heheheh < 1165617272 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, yes I have. < 1165617315 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has only written three things, and they ain't too fancy/interesting :P
< 1165617428 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1). counts from 9 to 1, (2). counts from 0 to 9, (3). accepts a single byte input and outputs 'five' if it was '5' (simple stuff, obviously, not that impressive) < 1165617464 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops, I meant "counts down and prints the numbers w/ a space b/w 'em" (yeah, not that cool) < 1165617503 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, in a language like BF, it's pretty crucial that you get the simple stuff down pat. < 1165617552 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1165617675 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Clap on! , Clap off! clap@#&$NO CARRIER" < 1165617783 0 :Rugxulo!i=icechat5@adsl-065-013-115-246.sip.mob.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165618304 0 :Jay_Walker!n=bsfoltz@c-68-45-250-108.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165618309 0 :Jay_Walker!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1165618351 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1165618799 0 :ShadowHntr!i=sentinel@wikipedia/Shadowhntr JOIN :#esoteric < 1165619097 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"You're lucky as you can read this message but I can't" < 1165620054 0 :tgwizard!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1165621056 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf61f7.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165622284 0 :CakeProphet!n=CakeProp@h121.230.213.151.ip.alltel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165625259 0 :The_8472!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Muss ein paar Welten vernichten, kann ein bissl dauern." < 1165627355 0 :pgimeno!n=pgimeno@124.Red-80-59-211.staticIP.rima-tde.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165627362 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1165627897 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@24.55.113.24 JOIN :#esoteric < 1165628040 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Allow me to present: < 1165628046 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BFM: The Next Generation. < 1165628050 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1165628057 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pikhq.nonlogic.org/bfm.tar.bz2 < 1165628069 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has to be, like, the first tarball out in a month. < 1165628131 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All formerly valid BFM code is still valid. . . However, this build provides features that make for much more legible code (both in BFM code and in the compiler's code). . . < 1165628181 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Additionally, a simple BFM interpreter is provided, as well as the "string" command, the "eval" command, and the ift, whilet, and whilet1 macros. < 1165628206 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(look at the source in stdlib/ for more info on them) < 1165628236 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan? < 1165628246 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eval? < 1165628324 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's what allows if, ift, whilet, and whilet1 to work. < 1165628344 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :macro if {var code} {} {} {while var {eval code}} < 1165628362 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err. < 1165628367 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :macro if {var code} {} {} {while var {eval code;set var 0}} < 1165628392 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, it allows one to *execute* one of the arguments to a macro. < 1165628824 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet < 1165628873 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The most *obvious* new feature to you, oerjan, should be the complete and utter rewrite of the compiler. ;) < 1165628951 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone have any ideas for a project for an independant study in programming for school? < 1165628990 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A program idea generator. < 1165628991 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1165628991 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are crazy enough to ask ''us''? < 1165629001 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1165629011 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prove Malbolge Turing complete. < 1165629024 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it isn't. finite memory. < 1165629034 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha! yeah right < 1165629051 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: But it has the infinite input and output tapes. < 1165629096 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't help much < 1165629128 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless one uses those tapes for access to an external memory device. < 1165629177 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, theoretically it might be enough to loop output back into input < 1165629250 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :giving you enough for an infinite queue < 1165629269 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. . . Yeah. < 1165629272 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back to my topic! :) < 1165629276 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd work rather well. < 1165629336 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, who says we left your topic? (:C < 1165629425 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could write an interpreter for a simple (but non-esoteric) toy language < 1165629437 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think my teacher would be ok with an esoteric language < 1165629445 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He said non-esoteric. < 1165629458 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that comment was before I saw that < 1165629493 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh, too many languages in exsistance < 1165629592 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :write a simulator of something... < 1165629609 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like? < 1165629756 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something physics-related, perhaps < 1165629775 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still not sure what you mean < 1165629808 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :write a simulation of the universe. < 1165629917 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you could simulate something with humans, such as christmas shopping... < 1165630336 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thoughts on BFM: TNG? < 1165630346 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(aside from "there's better things to work on!") < 1165630428 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm afraid at the moment it's "I'm too tired too look at it right now" < 1165630531 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1165630585 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :spent some hours reading a pdf book on proofs and types < 1165632654 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night" < 1165637283 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :anthony.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1165637283 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :anthony.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1165637284 0 :SimonRC!n=sc@bylands.dur.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1165637286 0 :lindi-!n=lindi@kulho150.adsl.netsonic.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1165637295 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1165638789 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: Come up with an idea. < 1165638802 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an idea which I've discussed here before, but it's already licensed, so poop :P < 1165638826 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was doing the initial implementation in Java, but it may change to CL, depending on whether I take the AP test or not. < 1165638844 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1165638858 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmm? < 1165638885 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : bsmntbombdood: Come up with an idea. < 1165638892 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that a command or a statement? < 1165638899 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The latter. < 1165638916 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, then, what's your idea? < 1165638918 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come on. You must've come up with *some* ideas in your experience in programming? Something done wrong, something not quite modern enough, etc, etc. < 1165638946 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: The idea for a lossless UDP mass transfer protocol minimizing ACKs. < 1165638956 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno... < 1165638963 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, here's an idea: < 1165639011 0 :GregorR-L!n=GregorR-@c-71-193-149-252.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165639011 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come up with a metadata tagging format for MP3, extra kudos for a format applicable to other music encoding filetypes, that allows you to be expressive *without* being hopelessly baroque like ID3v2. < 1165639053 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not really a programming project < 1165639053 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BEGIN INTERNET RELAY PROGRAMMING STATEMENT: < 1165639063 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: Why not? < 1165639066 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombood, please come up with an idea for yourself. < 1165639070 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :END IRP STATEMENT. < 1165639088 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to come up with the tagging format, and write code to demonstrate the tagging format's flexibility and ease of use. < 1165639686 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a programming project to me. < 1165639853 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what were the requirements of this assignment again? < 1165639869 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There aren't hard requirements < 1165639942 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should take a semester, and be "advanced". (advanced in his mind isn't very advanced < 1165639953 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1165640145 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You've got enough time to write a simple kernel, methinks. < 1165640164 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Show him what's really advanced. :p < 1165640209 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1165640249 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are many operating system components that would be a sufficient challenge- a window manager, a package manager, a filesystem, etc. < 1165640264 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an IDE or a compiler suite could be interesting < 1165640277 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps a shell < 1165640284 0 :ShadowHntr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :check out QNX. < 1165640284 0 :ShadowHntr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1165640307 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ShadowHntr: Yeah right < 1165640320 0 :ShadowHntr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you're talking about writing one ! < 1165640372 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: Or too much of a challenge... < 1165640391 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a shell isn't all that complicated < 1165640475 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there's plenty of good shells out there < 1165640558 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're missing the point. There are virtually no tasks for which workable software is completely unavailable. This doesn't make it pointless to build your own. < 1165640596 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the guy said it should be origina < 1165640598 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :l < 1165640630 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no such thing as an "original idea", only improvements based on observation of existing solutions and problems. < 1165640646 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some ideas are more original than others < 1165640765 0 :ShadowHntr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1165640791 0 :ShadowHntr!i=sentinel@wikipedia/Shadowhntr JOIN :#esoteric < 1165640813 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than attempting to come up with a groundbreaking project, find an existing piece of software that you feel you can make better. < 1165642241 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A window manager would be a pretty fun project. < 1165642258 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree < 1165642274 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depending on the language you do it in, and how closely you want to follow the XDCCP (? forgot the name of the standard). < 1165642327 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could choose between a wide range of levels of complexity, which makes it a good project for a class- if things go badly, you can scale back. If things go well, you can add features < 1165642339 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly. < 1165642390 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :twin -> http://linuz.sns.it/~max/twin/screenshots/twin-on-X11.png ^_^ < 1165642403 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shameless lisp plug: http://paste.lisp.org/display/19072 < 1165642414 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a CL WM that's implemented in a handful of lines. < 1165642420 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1165642438 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it look like? < 1165642585 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmm. I can't find the URL. < 1165642590 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TinyWM is the name of the WM. < 1165642676 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://incise.org/index.cgi/TinyWM <- this appears to be coded in C and Python, but has similar functionality and structure < 1165642802 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION would be liable to just write a Tcl WM, just to prove it could be done
< 1165642832 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the spirit! < 1165642860 0 :ShadowHntr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erlang! < 1165642861 0 :ShadowHntr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1165642932 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g'night everybody < 1165643009 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: It's the same WM. < 1165643017 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's been ported to CL, is all. < 1165643173 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, a window manager in python < 1165643294 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ewww. Python. < 1165643299 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why use Python when you can use CL? < 1165643310 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cuz python rocks? < 1165643316 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compared to CL? < 1165643331 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know enough of CL to say < 1165643365 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CL requires so much more effort to read < 1165643434 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(probably because I'm a noobie, but still) < 1165643512 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't understand lisp without an editor that matches parens for me < 1165644428 0 :ivan`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :anthony.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1165644429 0 :sekhmet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :anthony.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1165644429 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :anthony.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1165644429 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :anthony.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1165644430 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :anthony.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1165644430 0 :cmeme!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :anthony.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1165644431 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :anthony.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1165644431 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :anthony.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1165644431 0 :ShadowHntr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :anthony.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1165644431 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :anthony.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1165644431 0 :meatmanek!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :anthony.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1165644432 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :anthony.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1165644432 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :anthony.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1165644432 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :anthony.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1165644432 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :anthony.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1165644432 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :anthony.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1165644433 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :anthony.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1165644433 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :anthony.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1165644433 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :anthony.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1165644433 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :anthony.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1165644552 0 :tokigun!n=tokigun@sparcs45.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1165644552 0 :ivan`!i=ivan@wikipedia/ivan JOIN :#esoteric < 1165644552 0 :sekhmet!n=pez@ppp-70-226-153-25.dsl.mdsnwi.ameritech.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165644554 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@c-71-193-149-252.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165644597 0 :pgimeno!n=pgimeno@124.Red-80-59-211.staticIP.rima-tde.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165644600 0 :lindi-!n=lindi@kulho150.adsl.netsonic.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1165644600 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@122.46.198.22 JOIN :#esoteric < 1165644600 0 :sp3tt!n=sp3tt@80-162.cust.umeaenergi.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1165644600 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@about/copyleft/user/bsmntbombdood JOIN :#esoteric < 1165644605 0 :lament!n=lament@S010600110999ad06.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165644605 0 :ShadowHntr!i=sentinel@wikipedia/Shadowhntr JOIN :#esoteric < 1165644605 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@24.55.113.24 JOIN :#esoteric < 1165644605 0 :meatmanek!n=meatmane@cpe-65-29-79-179.indy.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1165644608 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look at the indentation. < 1165644609 0 :SimonRC!n=sc@bylands.dur.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1165644609 0 :CakeProphet!n=CakeProp@h121.230.213.151.ip.alltel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165644609 0 :oklopol!i=okokokok@194.251.102.88 JOIN :#esoteric < 1165644609 0 :cmeme!n=cmeme@boa.b9.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1165644615 0 :RodgerTheGreat!n=RodgerTh@wads-5-233-82.resnet.mtu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1165644655 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why the nested netsplits?!? < 1165644691 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Upgrade of the ircd < 1165644695 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Razor-X: Not enough < 1165644697 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1165644731 0 :mtve!i=mtve@mtve.vm.jvds.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1165644732 0 :fizzie!n=fizban@sesefras.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1165644771 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I unabashedly love sexps. < 1165644792 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't < 1165644793 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pexps feel so ... uncouth after using sexps for long enough, IMO. < 1165644803 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pexps? < 1165644815 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :P-expressions, the counterpart to S-expressions. < 1165644818 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :anthony.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1165644818 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :anthony.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1165644818 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :anthony.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1165644818 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :anthony.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1165644819 0 :lindi-!n=lindi@kulho150.adsl.netsonic.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1165644822 0 :sp3tt!n=sp3tt@80-162.cust.umeaenergi.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1165644823 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@122.46.198.22 JOIN :#esoteric < 1165644825 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think sexps are superugly. < 1165644826 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@abacus.kwzs.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1165644834 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love sexps. < 1165644836 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thought the counterpart was mexps. < 1165644837 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to like theim. < 1165644842 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When i was your age :D < 1165644851 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's an age thing, huh?!?! < 1165644858 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose so :) < 1165644867 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One one one !!??? question question < 1165644871 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i understand why one would like them < 1165644875 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to pull off a teenage AOLer thing. < 1165644886 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they're ugly. < 1165644890 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i don't like ugly. < 1165644893 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(== (+ 1 1) 2) < 1165644896 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Purty. < 1165644898 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I find them easy to read, and very expressive. < 1165644910 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, I think that Tcl's beautiful. ;) < 1165644916 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're conceptually very elegant, but ugly in practice. < 1165644926 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to like that, but no longer do so. < 1165644938 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't found any syntax that marries both well. < 1165644942 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In particular, right now i think the usual math notation is way, way prettier. < 1165644955 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm. There I give. < 1165644957 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though conceptually it's absolutely horrible. < 1165644980 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, obviously you can't have both < 1165644987 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that usual math notation's fugly. < 1165644989 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can have degrees... < 1165644991 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Conventional expressions are godawful, and the only other syntax I've encountered is OCaML which looked so awful, I put the language down immediately on seeing the syntax. < 1165645009 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"conventional expressions"? < 1165645018 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is haskell really that bad? < 1165645021 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pexp/Mexp (too lazy to look it up) < 1165645028 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's alright. < 1165645035 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2+2=4 <- conventional expression < 1165645056 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think haskell has the best mixture of conceptual elegance vs. prettiness < 1165645065 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has the same "feel" as math notation < 1165645071 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I became a significantly better lisp coder after Haskell, lemme say. Haskell really made the points click and made me appreciate the differences between dirty functional languages and pure functional languages. < 1165645088 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vs (= (+ 2 2) 4), 2 2+4=, [= [+ 2 2] 4]. . . < 1165645089 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet unlike math notation it makes perfect sense :) < 1165645095 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And code something nontrivial for a full experience. < 1165645175 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got the code for parsing ID3v2.2 headers working. Hooray. Time to add in ID3v2.3 and ID3v2.4. < 1165645185 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'll add in generic functions for each tag. < 1165645254 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can embed pictures in ID3v2 tags you know. I mean, who can't live without pictures embedded in metadata? < 1165645265 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/can\'t/can/ < 1165645290 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same people who can't live without object-oriented coffee making apparati. < 1165645338 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's wrong with my individial coffee beans being subclasses of an abstract Bean class? < 1165645404 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must say, I revise my opinion on OOP after taking a good look at the real CLOS. I like CLOS a lot better than message passing object systems too. < 1165645476 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's great and all, but your coffee making apparati don't need an object system to make damned good coffee. < 1165645490 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah it does. < 1165645518 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine doesn't even having Turing completeness, much less an object system. < 1165645528 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It saves memory if it encounters the same coffee bean as added in a hash table, so when it comes to Coffee.blend, it's more effecient. < 1165645545 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My coffee maker: < 1165645609 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :int coffee(beans coffee[SIZE_OF_FILTER]) {hot_water(coffee);return coffee} < 1165645644 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hopelessly underperforming according to today's Modern CS Standards (TM). < 1165645686 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Modern CS Standards (TM), of course, include severe over-complexity, under-performing, and general stupidity. < 1165645695 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i bet your coffee filter sucks, though. < 1165645700 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean coffee maker < 1165645797 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :public abstract class Coffee { bean[] filter; public Coffee (int size) { filter = new bean[size]; } public abstract void Blend; } < 1165645803 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: And I bet Razor's takes as much space as the oven. < 1165645826 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just a *part* of what a True Coffee Machine by Modern CS Standards (TM) should have. < 1165645845 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :void Blend being dependant on your vendor-specific blending method. < 1165645862 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :New coffee maker. . . < 1165645886 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :,[+++.,] < 1165645898 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1165646119 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love it how CS just gets farther and farther, but hasn't fixed the probably oldest problem in the entire CS world -- bad comments. < 1165646196 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using a CL library to easy binary file-structure reading and writing right now, and it's a good library but, it's documented like a piece of poop, and in some places his code is pretty hard to follow (in particulary, a place where he uses a temporary slot binding to create a temporary list returned by a lambda function and then bound in a let form). < 1165646206 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/easy/ease/ < 1165646221 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/particularly/particular/ < 1165646553 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION should go to sleep. . .
< 1165646643 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Happy hacking. < 1165646644 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1165650707 0 :ShadowHntr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"End of line." < 1165651199 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1165651200 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1165655221 0 :ivan`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Leading Edge IRC" < 1165655742 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1165656080 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1165656197 0 :oklopol!i=okokokok@194.251.102.88 JOIN :#esoteric < 1165657932 0 :ivan`!i=ivan@wikipedia/ivan JOIN :#esoteric < 1165659941 0 :ivan`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The dawn of a new IRC era" < 1165663020 0 :jix_!n=jix@L61ea.l.strato-dslnet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1165667110 0 :tgwizard!n=tgwizard@c-923fe155.178-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1165669287 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1165670726 0 :oklopol!n=villsalo@dsl-aur-fefddf00-79.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1165674370 0 :jix__!n=jix@L6138.l.strato-dslnet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1165675051 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1165677910 0 :Sph1nx!n=sphinx@89-178-62-100.broadband.corbina.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1165677955 0 :Sph1nx!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1165679108 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"haaaaaaaaaa" < 1165680106 0 :okokoko!n=villsalo@dsl-aur-fefddf00-79.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1165680109 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1165683391 0 :jix__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Bitte waehlen Sie eine Beerdigungnachricht" < 1165683612 0 :okokoko!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :oklopol < 1165684976 0 :Aardwolf!n=neusring@kotnet-145.kulnet.kuleuven.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1165685268 0 :jix_!n=jix@L6138.l.strato-dslnet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1165687518 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip72-200-73-175.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165687527 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1165689081 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1165689132 0 :oklopol!n=villsalo@dsl-aur-fefddf00-79.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1165694303 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Razor-X: CLOS is message passing < 1165694668 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf61f7.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165694799 0 :tgwizard!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1165694872 0 :okokoko!n=villsalo@dsl-aur-fe9edd00-32.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1165694941 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pretty cool that CLOS is written in lisp < 1165695390 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1165695413 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@24.55.113.24 JOIN :#esoteric < 1165695447 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is braindead ATM
< 1165695794 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: No it's not. < 1165695809 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't have generic functions in a message-passing object system. < 1165695817 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1165695843 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah you can < 1165695855 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How? < 1165695884 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(defun foo (object) (send object 'foo)) < 1165695897 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.... That's not CLOS... < 1165695904 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1165695917 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's not a generic function either. < 1165695971 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ACT has killed my brain cells, I'm afraid. < 1165695975 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh. < 1165696000 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least temporarily numbed them. < 1165696044 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :". . . What the hell? I haven't done this since 8th grade!!!" < 1165696050 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1165696264 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't message-passing and generaic functions contradict one another? < 1165696302 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because with message-passing one of the objects is more important than the others, but with generic functions, all of the arguments are equal in status. < 1165696557 0 :okokoko!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1165696741 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could send a message to _all_ the objects < 1165696985 0 :oklopol!n=villsalo@194.251.102.88 JOIN :#esoteric < 1165697126 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: How would *that* work? < 1165697132 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Thoughts on BFM:TNG? < 1165697171 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BrainFuck .... < 1165697175 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The final frontier. < 1165697190 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Teeheehee. < 1165697190 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :These are the voyages of the BrainFuck Macro Language. < 1165697194 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its continuing mission ... < 1165697199 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(etc) < 1165697203 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be up to the objects to decide, they would probably have to form a committee :) < 1165697211 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1165697225 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to boldly code where no (wo)man has coded before < 1165697231 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swears at the ZBB.
< 1165697272 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ITYM, to boldly code more inefficiently than anyone has coded before. < 1165697305 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: Actually, BFM is the most efficient Brainfuck macro system out there. < 1165697393 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it turning into a compiler? < 1165697416 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I meant brainfuck is inefficient, not BFM. < 1165697424 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It. . . *Is* a compiler. < 1165697428 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And an interpreter. < 1165697482 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably rename it, though, because there's another, radically less efficient language by the name of BFM. < 1165697541 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Add a debugger! < 1165697549 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source-level! < 1165697570 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :macro show-memory {} {} {} {forceinline #} < 1165697571 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1165697582 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1165697619 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although that's more of a binary level debugger. . . < 1165697630 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That isn't source-level! < 1165697650 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And where are the breakpoints?! < 1165697653 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "be0" command allows one to see some of the compiler's internal state, though. < 1165697660 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Razor-X: Who needs 'em? < 1165697666 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Great debugger ;P < 1165697693 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best one of them all. XD < 1165697709 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously, though. . . < 1165697717 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, to be A New-Age Debugger, you need a shiny GUI coat on it. < 1165697729 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only practical method of debugging ATM is with the Brainfuck source. < 1165697730 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ew gui < 1165697795 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could get the compiler to annotate the binary with line numbers and variables, and turn off all optimisations. < 1165697802 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*variable names < 1165697820 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be quite debuggable with a BF-level debugger < 1165697830 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compile with the options "-O 0 -g". < 1165697904 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or just "-g" if you want to see what the optimization does to the code. < 1165698141 0 :wooby!n=alan@cpe-66-67-60-51.rochester.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1165698578 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm http://swivel.com/graphs/show/1001967 < 1165698666 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Think there's causation? < 1165698690 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rofl < 1165698805 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: careful < 1165698826 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: Have you seen the graph of the number of pirates against global temperature? < 1165698832 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have < 1165698848 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The world needs more pirates! < 1165698853 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why we have "Talk Like a Pirae Day", you know. < 1165698978 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.venganza.org/pirate.pdf <-- the best renering of it. < 1165699010 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the Pastafarian Christmas. < 1165699363 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when? < 1165699423 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Talk Like a Pirate Day. -_-' < 1165699452 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, yes < 1165699511 0 :Arrogant!i=Arrogatn@118.orlando-09rh15-16rt.fl.dial-access.att.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165699678 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So are OSS writers essentially Robin Hoods? < 1165699686 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stealing from the rich and giving to the poor? < 1165699762 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not quite. . . < 1165699782 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We cut out the middle man. < 1165699789 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We are the rich, giving to the poor. :p < 1165699802 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what's Gates then? < 1165699841 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The *filthy* rich. < 1165699867 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We've not been successful at taking from him very much yet. < 1165699903 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But he's been very successful stealing from everyone else. < 1165699930 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is a problem. . . < 1165699960 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our end goal is to become Robin Hoods. Our current state is the poor giving to the less poor. < 1165699963 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Happy? < 1165699966 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/less/more/ < 1165699983 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders what financial situation rms is in
< 1165699984 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1165699993 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. That does make me feel more happy. < 1165700009 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RMS is probably not very rich, but he knows enough people to get a free ride in any country in the world. < 1165700024 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rms is actually rather poor. . . < 1165700034 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except maybe North Korea. < 1165700055 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He lives off of prize money and cash for speaking in public. < 1165700057 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll bet he could get into N. Korea. < 1165700067 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'll bet he couldn't get out. < 1165700070 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup ^^ < 1165700093 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He could get in only if he told the whole populace except Kim Jong Il that he was going to assasinate Kim. :p < 1165700117 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RMS does work at MIT. < 1165700130 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an unpaid position. < 1165700163 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then again, if N. Korea is as Red as it seems, he wouldn't need a free ride there. < 1165700207 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's lived for the past several years in his office at MIT. . . He can't have that much money. ;) < 1165700220 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One day N. Korea will open up, and we'll realize that they have self-cleaning roads and hover-vators, and traffic is mitigated through several levels of semi-arial traffic. < 1165700244 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*semi-arial levels. < 1165700275 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And we'll weep in shame as we'll discover that N. Korea's technology far exceeds our own pitiful existances. < 1165700291 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What has leaked out of N. Korea suggests that the populace doesn't have enough freedom of motion to justify roads, much less self-cleaning ones. < 1165700299 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Message Paid for by The Party. The Party. It's Where You Go. < 1165700313 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And. . . < 1165700325 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they were just brainwashed into forgetting the wonders that they saw? < 1165700327 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gets hit in the head by The Beloved Leader's Boys
< 1165700333 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HEIL HITLER! < 1165700335 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ouch* < 1165700341 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I MEAN THE BELOVED LEADER! < 1165700803 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION attempts to correct pikhq's misconception of money: http://paulgraham.com/gap.html
< 1165700839 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do not confuse stealing wealth with creating it. < 1165700931 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The amount of wealth in the world is not fixed. < 1165702313 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) < 1165702907 0 :Arrogant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1165702934 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night" < 1165704696 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@24.55.113.24 JOIN :#esoteric < 1165709285 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this guy has abused a bit the concept of a 'one-liner': http://www.dustindiaz.com/basement/js/dom.js (beware the link crashes my Mozilla; it works fine in Firefox 1.5) < 1165709547 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, that's part of the source of http://www.dustindiaz.com/basement/tetris.html < 1165709567 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8-D < 1165709570 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dHTML TETRIS! < 1165709576 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's better than http://www.codu.org/evilpong/ < 1165709759 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer XML Tetris. < 1165709785 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.codu.org/rxml.php < 1165710099 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, rxml rox < 1165710199 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xml tetris? < 1165710237 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that based in the turing-completeness (I think) of xslt? < 1165710314 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, it's nearly pure SVG. < 1165710315 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has a tiny bit of embedded Javascript. < 1165710333 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crap crap < 1165710507 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1165710549 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION borked his keyboard
< 1165710645 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and btw there's a version with bgm: http://www.dustindiaz.com/basement/tetris-s.html < 1165713259 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1165713412 0 :CakeProphet!n=CakeProp@h121.230.213.151.ip.alltel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165714191 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone recommend a good Lisp implementation... that's... easy to setup on Windows? < 1165714780 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure. < 1165714790 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Install a real OS, then use SBCL < 1165714803 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Emacs. < 1165714822 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although realise that running Windows makes everything comparatively hard to setup. < 1165714846 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got a windows version of xemacs running in 30 seconds < 1165714901 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got a GNU/Linux version of Emacs running in 0 seconds. < 1165714909 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1165714922 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well...it takes like 2 seconds to start up < 1165714935 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it takes 0 seconds for me to install it. . . < 1165714939 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Preinstalled. ;) < 1165714941 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1165714961 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't believe an OS would ship without a decent text editor < 1165716689 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Bitte waehlen Sie eine Beerdigungnachricht" < 1165719608 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :emacs is not a good lisp implementation. < 1165719693 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a good emacs lisp implementation < 1165719712 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not even sure of that. < 1165719726 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is *the* Emacs Lisp implementation. < 1165719745 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so? < 1165721077 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes to bed.
< 1165723361 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=thematri@222-152-161-21.jetstream.xtra.co.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1165723384 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION takes a guess that GreaseMonkey likes Greasemonkey
< 1165723559 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION takes a guss that pikhq is correct
< 1165723625 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Connection error: Monkey too Greasy < 1165723639 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep <:D < 1165723835 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION makes out with BFM
< 1165723897 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinky < 1165723987 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And incestous. < 1165727290 0 :GregorR-L!n=GregorR-@66.206.87.115 JOIN :#esoteric < 1165727435 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1165727459 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip72-200-73-175.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165727468 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1165727489 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nonwrapping bf.. 5 - 12 = ? < 1165727523 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 5-12=-7 < 1165727542 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so one cell to store the sign ? < 1165727590 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, in nonwrapping BF, the cell is signed and either bound-checked or bignum. < 1165727616 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could be either *shrugs* < 1165727722 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always assumed a nonwrapping program would work in a wrapping interp.. guess that isn't always the case < 1165727783 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a wrapping interp, 5-12=-7==248. < 1165727824 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :248 / 2 = 124 -7/2 = 3 < 1165727829 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err -3 < 1165727967 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the whole "mod 255" thing that's mildly confusing. . . < 1165728090 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any ideas on how to best mutilate Windows? < 1165728114 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I have some word documents you could open.. and some special multimedia files for your enjoyment < 1165728134 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now... how to get them from Host to Guest :/ < 1165728202 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: what assumptions does your c compiler make about cells? < 1165728209 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari, Win98 is running under VMware < 1165728216 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh < 1165728235 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: format C: < 1165728236 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's something fun you can do < 1165728243 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I tried that < 1165728246 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :run debug < 1165728253 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, it wouldn't let me < 1165728254 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then enter this program: < 1165728259 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a < 1165728263 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cli < 1165728268 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jmp 101 < 1165728270 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g < 1165728380 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: how'd it go? < 1165728398 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just got "^ Error" < 1165728411 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where < 1165728416 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the g ? < 1165728419 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1165728428 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry you need to push enter again after jmp 101 < 1165728438 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's < 1165728440 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a < 1165728441 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cli < 1165728444 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jmp 101 < 1165728446 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1165728446 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g < 1165728447 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1165728448 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1165728456 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you're still okay < 1165728457 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I close and restart debug? < 1165728462 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can just push enter < 1165728468 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then g < 1165728505 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The cursor just sort of... froze.. < 1165728510 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah :) < 1165728524 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :windows is probably gone < 1165728537 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(frozen) < 1165728545 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something that left it in a pseudousable state would have been preferable.. < 1165728548 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(more fun) < 1165728566 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is cool how easy it is to screw up the multitasking in win98 < 1165728583 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does that debug thing do anyway? < 1165728605 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first it disables maskable interrupts < 1165728606 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: Win98 doesn't really multitask. < 1165728613 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it enters a very tight loop < 1165728618 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just imitates it for the user. < 1165728618 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1165728623 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yeah it does.. p[reemptive too < 1165728644 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it isn't exactly good multitasking if one can preempt the preempting. < 1165728662 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Night allk < 1165728666 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I didn't say it was good.. just saying it does do multitasking < 1165728684 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I call that merely an imitation of multitasking. ;) < 1165728730 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is confused
< 1165728732 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Night all < 1165728743 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I call that an imitation of an argument :) < 1165728748 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cya sgeo < 1165728754 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As do I. ;) < 1165728761 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1165728833 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1165730776 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1165731083 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Connection error 130 (Monkey too greasy)" < 1165734831 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1165737599 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1165737600 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1165745562 0 :tgwizard!n=tgwizard@c-923fe155.178-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1165745958 0 :ivan`!i=ivan@wikipedia/ivan JOIN :#esoteric < 1165754509 0 :jix_!n=jix@L6138.l.strato-dslnet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1165760352 0 :jix__!n=jix@L61dd.l.strato-dslnet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1165761328 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1165762511 0 :ivan`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-" < 1165763302 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf61f7.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165765922 0 :kipple_!n=kipple@167.80-202-102.nextgentel.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1165767775 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1165774736 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"haaaaaaaaaa" < 1165775874 0 :jix__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Bitte waehlen Sie eine Beerdigungnachricht" < 1165778587 0 :jix_!n=jix@L61dd.l.strato-dslnet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1165781128 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most fun way to fubar Win98? < 1165781805 0 :EgoBot!n=EgoBot@c-71-193-149-252.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165782677 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: F00F bug? < 1165782704 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No clue what that is < 1165782738 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes your computer go up in smoke *F00F* < 1165782858 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would it be impolite of me to shorten the Deadfish interpreter? < 1165782958 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait a minute... < 1165783011 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It _really_ does not read any commands < 1165783191 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK if I am to believe the example then the interpreter is buggy rather than intentional < 1165783435 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1165783472 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:4DSsRj2iMo4J:www.x86.org/errata/dec97/f00fbug.htm+f00f+bug&hl=en&gl=uk&ct=clnk&cd=1 < 1165783499 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1165783760 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah. I can't believe I forgot what scanf does. < 1165783919 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :printf except backwards < 1165783967 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it doesn't discard the rest of the line, does it? < 1165784001 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scanf(3) < 1165784022 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am already reading it. < 1165784282 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@c-71-193-149-252.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165784486 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh. It's hard to forget C. < 1165784524 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Easy to forget clib functions < 1165784545 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scanf? < 1165784558 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1165784569 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My brain confused it with sscanf I think. < 1165784578 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha. < 1165784593 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woot C has continuations < 1165784595 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So somehow I got the idea the program never read input. < 1165784616 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Continuations? call/cc style? < 1165784620 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1165784621 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since when? < 1165784628 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How? < 1165784628 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since never < 1165784651 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume he's talking about setjmp/longjmp? < 1165784661 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :setcontext(2) < 1165784694 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Switching between multiple threads of control within a process. < 1165784733 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :swapcontext(3) < 1165784734 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Hmm... < 1165784739 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, huh, that does look like continuations < 1165784746 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it does. < 1165784754 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1165784758 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who knew. < 1165784827 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn, right after I discover this, I have to do homework < 1165784872 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's probably what all the Scheme interpreters use to implement call/cc. < 1165784912 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that Scheme terps actually use call/cc to implement call/cc. < 1165784921 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Razor-X: except for the overwhelming majority that are written in Scheme < 1165784942 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... I'm thinking Gambit/Stalin/Chicken. < 1165784953 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can add it to a graph-reduction-based interpreter without too much trouble, I suspect. < 1165785010 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe the C-based ones have an explicit (spaghetti) stack rather than an implicit one, whereupon call/cc become easier. < 1165785027 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hum, my linux box has swapcontext, but not my bsd box < 1165785082 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Always read the CONFORMING TO section. < 1165785141 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SUSv2, POSIX 1003.1-2001. < 1165785375 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :methough bsd was posix complient < 1165785393 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what revision *shrugs* < 1165789088 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip72-200-73-175.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165789118 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1165789163 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has an idea .. :)
< 1165789187 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION prepares to shoot calamari
< 1165789191 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION waits
< 1165789206 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to see if I can convert labels and gotos into if's, while's, etc < 1165789244 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea would be to break down a complex program (using gotos, while, if, break, etc) into just gotos, then reconstruct it again < 1165789256 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this would be handy for break/continue removal < 1165789273 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if,whiles are implemented with gotos < 1165789288 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: yes, I know < 1165789299 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: It is possible, but you may need to introduce some temporary variables. < 1165789322 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: yeah.. the hard part at least for my brain is building some kind of tree or such < 1165789337 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you just need one variable, to save the next label < 1165789343 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I can figure out where the loops are < 1165789344 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH, BFBASIC manages to handle arbitrary gotos with just while loops. < 1165789346 0 :CakeProphet!n=CakeProp@h121.230.213.151.ip.alltel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165789359 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: yeah it does.. but I cheated and used labels and gotos < 1165789377 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: I'm trying to avoid that and hopefully produce more efficient code < 1165789403 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the goal of making it easier to translate a language such as spaghetti or linguine into bf < 1165789410 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then a giant case statement in a while (1) < 1165789423 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's eseentially what I do with bfbasic < 1165789430 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the case statement is then easily turned into nested if then else < 1165789487 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's kinda slow :) < 1165789511 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be better to unravel the goto's, even if it means duplication of code blocks < 1165789513 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the tricky one is 10 FOO; 20 BAR; 30 MAYBE GOTO 10; 40 MAYBE GOTO 20; < 1165789594 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION spots that a "do{}while()" is just a backward jump and an "unless(){}" is just a forward one.
< 1165789599 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1165789672 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: okay I've decomposed that tricky loop < 1165789708 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how? < 1165789711 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure how to write it in here tho.. let me try < 1165789719 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ABCDE < 1165789734 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :B-C goes to A < 1165789737 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Bitte waehlen Sie eine Beerdigungnachricht" < 1165789750 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D-E goes to B .. that's the original < 1165789769 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you follow the notation for the original program? < 1165789806 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A,B,C,D,E are blocks of code < 1165789806 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather difficult to match 5 letters with 4 statements < 1165789817 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1165789828 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like I said.. hard to write in irc < 1165789830 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1165789839 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me translate it into basic like you did < 1165789896 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think possibly you are dealing with the wire-crossing problem < 1165789922 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I'm dealing with a text interface problem < 1165789933 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, just if and while cannot build flowcharts with crossing wires without extra temporary variables < 1165789943 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who said anything about that < 1165789951 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just saying I was able to unravel it < 1165789977 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if anyone wants to say it is impossible then prepare to own up to it hehe < 1165790016 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me draw a little diagram and post it < 1165790048 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will boldly assert that it is impossible to translate my code into plain loops and ifs without either duplicating code or creating superfluous temporary variables. < 1165790060 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually that example does not really have wire-crossing < 1165790086 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: right.. if you duplicate code < 1165790094 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I intend to do < 1165790096 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it does if you require that all the points are on the x-axis and all wires must only go through the upper half-plane < 1165790104 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you duplicate part of the coee, it is easily unraveled < 1165790125 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, that makes sense < 1165790133 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I was just drawing up < 1165790149 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess I don't need to now hehe < 1165790158 0 :ihope!n=foo@c-71-205-100-59.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165790161 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11.1265006 milligrams. < 1165790176 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of crack < 1165790184 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh, a drive-by chemist! < 1165790195 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1165790228 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes for pizza, and then to bed, most likely.
< 1165790248 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it is possible to make code which cannot be unraveled simply with duplication < 1165790301 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's easy.. a break statement < 1165790362 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm maybe that can be unraveled as well < 1165790367 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :need to map these out < 1165790398 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyhow, I think I'm on to something... translate into gotos, then recompose for the target language < 1165790419 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be more efficient than the huge switch statement hack < 1165790663 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is essentially a finite state machine problem < 1165790697 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: cool < 1165790707 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can every FSA be implemented with just while and case (getc()) statements? < 1165790725 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, bf implements everything with just while < 1165790741 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am still talking about avoiding temporary variables < 1165790745 0 :kipple_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) < 1165790745 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oic < 1165790759 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you had a bf with one cell < 1165790788 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every FSA can be implemented using only goto. < 1165790793 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1165790804 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION bops ihope on the head
< 1165790810 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if and goto < 1165790813 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we are discussing _removing_ gotos < 1165790818 0 :kipple_!n=kipple@167.80-202-102.nextgentel.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1165790820 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1165790864 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: my idea is to decompose a program into goto's and labels then rebuild it for a target language < 1165790883 0 :kipple_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1165790898 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :intriguing < 1165790921 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this looks like a job for an esoteric BASIC coder! < 1165790923 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first step is to unravel weird goto loops into traditional structured code < 1165790927 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1165790929 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION runs for his cape and cowl
< 1165791112 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I can see how conditional jumps could become tricky to unravel. < 1165791138 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the tough part is seperating gotos that are branches from gotos that form loops < 1165791183 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for one thing, while loops always have just two exits < 1165791200 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graphically speaking < 1165791210 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some loops can be directly unfolded, but others are integral to the functioning of the program- the main loop, at least < 1165791217 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1165791272 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blah I think I made a mistake in SimonRC's problem above < 1165791289 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the code duplication doesn't seem to be working for that one < 1165791297 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1165791341 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the goal to create space-efficient code or speed-efficient code, or either? < 1165791369 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :speed efficient < 1165791374 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1165791401 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh got it finally < 1165791433 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem was that I was trying to keep the d-while.. needed to convert it to a plain while < 1165791454 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok based on the limit to two exits for a while loop, here is a test case: < 1165791474 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 statements, each of which can branch to any of the others < 1165791488 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool :) this is helpful stuff < 1165791609 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION waits for the code
< 1165791628 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i thought it was obvious what i meant < 1165791635 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1165791685 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 MAYBE GOTO 30 OR 40 : 20 MAYBE GOTO 10 OR 40 : 30 MAYBE GOTO 10 OR 20 : 40 GOTO 10, 20 OR 30 < 1165791708 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand statement 40 < 1165791737 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok make that 40 MAYBE GOTO 20 OR 30 : 50 GOTO 10 < 1165791744 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1165791771 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and by the way the MAYBE is to mean that one option is not to jump at all < 1165791792 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? < 1165791809 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't each "maybe" be first broken into a pair of "jump or not" instructions? < 1165791823 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1165791826 0 :tgwizard!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1165791828 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I understand < 1165791829 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so for each statement, there are 3 possible statements to do next < 1165791841 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still unrollinging the first problem, it's long hehe < 1165791870 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i am sort of trying to be brief < 1165791917 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there done finally with the first one < 1165791928 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shall I write it in code? < 1165791949 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps abbreviated.. < 1165792004 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A B WHILE C { A B } WHILE D { B WHILE C { A B } } < 1165792014 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a and b are foo and bar < 1165792235 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. interesting < 1165792243 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: check that this is equiv to your code: < 1165792310 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 MAYBE 30 ELSE 15 : 15 MAYBE 40 ELSE 20 : 20 MAYBE 10 ELSE 25 : 25 MAYBE 40 ELSE 30 : 30 MAYBE 10 ELSE 35 : 35 MAYBE 20 ELSE 40 : 40 MAYBE 20 ELSE 45 : 45 MAYBE 30 ELSE 10 < 1165792315 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw my code is just a flowchart in the form of the edges of a tetrahedron < 1165792403 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can also remove the "else xxx" and add 50 goto 10 < 1165792407 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as you had) < 1165792429 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION draws it
< 1165792498 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks fine to me < 1165792538 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that doesn't work then we need an example with real wire crossing < 1165792581 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can find a very simple one that'd be great < 1165792590 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is rather long hehe < 1165792663 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the two simplest non-planar graphs are the complete graph on 5 points (i.e. 5 statements all connected) and the 3 + 3 bipartite graph (the famous 3 houses connected to 3 utilities puzzle) < 1165792713 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you gave the first ? < 1165792738 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i just gave you 4 points, thought that might still be impossible < 1165792826 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have this feeling this has something to do with the fundamental group of the graphs < 1165792888 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still haven't finished drawing the original problem yet hehe < 1165792925 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, draw a square with one diagonal, and then a curved line between the other two points < 1165792950 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oic < 1165792964 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm drawing it as a flow chart < 1165792981 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Ik zen der is mee weg" < 1165793004 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess you need to duplicate the lines then < 1165793015 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1165793029 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can already see a huge mess brewing < 1165793123 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay done drawing.. now the part that should be impossible < 1165793130 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe try just 3 points first, i am not quite sure about that case < 1165793155 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no exit.. interesting :) that's okay I guess < 1165793184 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you can just add a couple if you want :) < 1165793200 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right.. 50 maybe 10 < 1165793421 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I discovered the two great secrets to writing great fiction. < 1165793427 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then I forgot one. < 1165793500 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other one is to have an unfallible memory :) < 1165793613 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A photographic memory? < 1165793625 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd help, yes. < 1165793706 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't need photographic memory. < 1165793709 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a camera. < 1165793747 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about this much smaller problem: 10 MAYBE GOTO 50 : 20 MAYBE GOTO 50 : 30 FOO : 40 GOTO 10 : 50 BAR < 1165793770 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the break statement < 1165793822 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Take pictures of your novel and stick them in your ears? < 1165793834 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd probably work, yes. < 1165793930 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So assuming having a photographic memory is one secret to writing good fiction, the other just might be to describe the world the characters are in. < 1165794012 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I can't remember.. were you disallowing temp variables for the solution? < 1165794024 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1165794032 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so, I don't see a way to solve my problem, and it's a subset of yours < 1165794037 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you describe the world where it's not actually important that the world be described, the effect is that the world doesn't seem to exist only where it's important to the plot. < 1165794042 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine translates to the following code < 1165794052 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while A { if B { C } } < 1165794076 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not seeing a way to turn that if into a while without a temp variable < 1165794099 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, i have certainly not disallowed _if_s < 1165794102 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If one day somebody visits a store, and you didn't describe the store earlier, it seems like it spawned out of nowhere as soon as the person decided to visit it. < 1165794136 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh, I thought the point was to only use while loops < 1165794330 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, I only need one variable to convert as many nested if's as I want into whiles < 1165794331 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it was you who stated the problem, i just disallowed temporary variables so we couldn't use that giant case statement you said was inefficient < 1165794338 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1165794489 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of language is it you want to translate into by the way? < 1165794523 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well bf.. but I was hoping this could help for other langs too < 1165794549 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, then you definitely want to disallow ifs < 1165794584 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, like I say above, I can do them with constant memory in bf < 1165794589 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I think it's fine < 1165794665 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you could do case statements as well < 1165794675 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I know < 1165794718 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think in the case of your problem, both methods would be about the same speed < 1165794758 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in the typical cases, not using case statements in bf would be a win < 1165794826 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one idea is to encode the label in binary and use a branching tree for the case statement < 1165794846 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, we thought of that too :) < 1165794857 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but didn't implement it < 1165794874 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead we decided to trade memory for speed < 1165794892 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in the second version of bfbasic labels) < 1165794924 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Lament < 1165794942 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course one advantage of not using the case statement is I won't have a limit on the number of branch points < 1165794958 0 :Lament!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :lament < 1165795005 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, how many people have read about this thing before? http://www.retrothing.com/2006/12/the_tinkertoy_c.html < 1165795051 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have < 1165795093 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1165795102 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found an article explaining how it worked a while back, but it never had any pictures of the device < 1165795200 0 :ivan`!i=ivan@wikipedia/ivan JOIN :#esoteric < 1165795235 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.rci.rutgers.edu/~cfs/472_html/Intro/TinkertoyComputer/TinkerToy.html < 1165795342 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, A.K. Dewdney. < 1165795452 0 :ivan`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would have been impressive for 1889 < 1165795539 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if people in the 1800's had the capacity for mass-producing construction toys to a high-tolerance, Babbage would've been able to build his difference *and* analytical engines out of ye olde legos. < 1165795565 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that dash in "high tolerance" was superfluous. < 1165797973 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that whitespace in "hightolerance" was superfluous. < 1165798214 0 :ivan`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- IRC for those that like to be different" < 1165799187 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Allwhitespaceissuperfluous. < 1165799205 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IcanevenwriteaWhitespaceprogramwithoutusingwhitespace. < 1165799218 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IcanalsospeakGermanwithoutusingwhitespace.:-) < 1165799237 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ndwhlwrdscssngthmttr,lt'sgtrdfthvwlst < 1165799292 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hby,nwyrbrdrngnthdgfnnsnscl. < 1165799317 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Mind giving a translation?) < 1165799400 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nd whl w e dscssng th mttr, lt's gt rd f th vwls t < 1165799407 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*r < 1165799435 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ys,gdd. < 1165799471 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LTSRMVPNCTTNNDCPTLZTNT < 1165799489 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Let's remove punctuation and capitalization, too!) < 1165799533 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what is dgf? < 1165799587 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NCRSNTRP < 1165799599 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RMVNFRMTN < 1165799676 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now for something completely different: "Hi, All I've studied English sinse Summer . It's Really difficult I would like like to meet boys and practisice My English with them." < 1165799698 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that that's not in the recent changes page of the wiki. < 1165799740 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who wouldn't like to meet boys. < 1165799781 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SPMSPMSPMSPMSPMSPMSPMSPMSPMSPMSPMSPM < 1165799841 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LLNTRNT < 1165799862 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rllcnnnndrstndths < 1165799882 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cntp < 1165799991 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DNTNDRSTNDNTHNGYRSYING < 1165800197 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"TMTGTBD" < 1165800910 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WLLNDRSTNDYPRFCTL < 1165800973 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YSDTHTTHSTTFCHRNLGNCSSTTDSFTHSLPNGPLC < 1165800999 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMGWTFBBQ < 1165801016 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omgvowel. < 1165801864 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaeei < 1165801993 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aeudtns < 1165802434 0 :ShadowHntr!i=sentinel@wikipedia/Shadowhntr JOIN :#esoteric < 1165806779 0 :ivan`!i=ivan@wikipedia/ivan JOIN :#esoteric < 1165813470 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) < 1165813485 0 :Arrogant!i=Paragon@224.orlando-09rh15-16rt.fl.dial-access.att.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165816136 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1165819261 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1165822966 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :OMGZOMGROFL < 1165823020 0 :OMGZOMGROFL!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :GregorR < 1165823999 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1165824000 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1165824932 0 :ShadowHntr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1165827427 0 :Arrogant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1165845391 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1165847427 0 :tgwizard!n=tgwizard@c-923fe155.178-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1165848750 0 :jix_!n=jix@L60b8.l.strato-dslnet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1165850825 0 :wooby_!n=alan@cpe-66-67-60-51.rochester.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1165850831 0 :wooby_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1165854132 0 :GregorR-L!n=GregorR-@192.102.209.4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1165859467 0 :DRMacIver!n=david@unaffiliated/drmaciver JOIN :#esoteric < 1165859730 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if oerjan realises that various ancient civilisations actually wrote entirely in consonants with not spacing or capitalisation.
< 1165860232 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Egyptian, for example. < 1165860237 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I have no idea what the context is :) < 1165860261 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:04 < ihope> LTSRMVPNCTTNNDCPTLZTNT < 1165860261 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:04 < ihope> (Let's remove punctuation and capitalization, too!) < 1165860261 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:05 < oerjan> but what is dgf? < 1165860261 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:06 < oerjan> NCRSNTRP < 1165860261 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:06 < oerjan> RMVNFRMTN < 1165860279 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just can't read what oe wrote. < 1165860299 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's a toughie XD < 1165860309 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's probably possible to be used to it. < 1165860329 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you have a less vowel-centric language than English < 1165860334 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :True < 1165860382 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pack, park, peck, peek, perk, pick, pike, pock, poke, pork, puck, puke. < 1165860401 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, if they were words: pake and pirk, too. < 1165860420 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and peark < 1165860436 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all those are PK in just consonants. < 1165860444 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Worse yet, pik and pike :) < 1165860480 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :High-five for the subtle R-is-a-vowel reference, btw. < 1165860533 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ITYM R-is-part-of-the-vowel. < 1165860597 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends on your accent. < 1165860606 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In an English accent, R modifies the vowel. < 1165860609 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then of course there's: a, are, air, ear, err, our, or, owe. < 1165860611 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In an American accent, R is the vowel. < 1165860631 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hence stuff like "fRmR" < 1165860661 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup < 1165860694 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then there's "Merkin", which means either "American" or a pubic wig. < 1165860697 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously < 1165860723 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders why pubic wigs exist XD
< 1165860832 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For porn movies aparently. < 1165861651 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Question: What do you get if you plot IP space allocations on the Hilbert curve? Answer: http://xkcd.com/c195.html < 1165861655 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like it. < 1165861752 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah < 1165861754 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's great < 1165862197 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION lols at MIT.
< 1165862198 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently each dorm gets a class-B network. < 1165862510 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes.
< 1165863394 0 :DRMacIver!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :anthony.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1165863394 0 :meatmanek!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :anthony.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1165863394 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :anthony.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1165863436 0 :lament!n=lament@S010600110999ad06.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165863495 0 :DRMacIver!n=david@c213-100-27-14.swipnet.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1165863589 0 :meatmanek!n=meatmane@cpe-65-29-79-179.indy.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1165866047 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1165866275 0 :jix_!n=jix@L60b8.l.strato-dslnet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1165867679 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1165868557 0 :pgimeno!n=pgimeno@124.Red-80-59-211.staticIP.rima-tde.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165869666 0 :ihope!n=foo@c-71-205-100-59.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165869801 0 :tgwizard!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1165870766 0 :CakeProphet!n=CakeProp@h110.227.213.151.ip.alltel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165873786 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Bitte waehlen Sie eine Beerdigungnachricht" < 1165873970 0 :ShadowHntr!i=sentinel@wikipedia/Shadowhntr JOIN :#esoteric < 1165877655 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip72-200-73-175.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165878760 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: I believe you asked some ridiculous amount of time ago (days), whether c2bf made assumptions about cell size. < 1165878770 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It maps all data types to one cell (I know, awesome). < 1165878782 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, so what assumptions does it make < 1165878795 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does c2bf do? < 1165878801 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lindi-: Compiles C to BF < 1165878811 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANSI C89 ? < 1165878822 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: Generally you'd want to run it on at least a 16-bit interp. < 1165878848 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lindi-: A ridiculously tiny subset :P < 1165878851 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so sizeof(int) is undefined ? < 1165878859 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's 1 ^^ < 1165878871 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1165878873 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But 1 in this case isn't necessarily 1 byte :P < 1165878874 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I gotcha < 1165878882 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it could be < 1165878932 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it assume wrapping cells ? < 1165878964 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks for a moment.
< 1165879018 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, I suddenly remembered I made a new version of that QBF interpreter. < 1165879028 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or an alternate way of asking that.. does signed int work? < 1165879077 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that means I get to bug GregorR-L until he uploads it to the archive thingy and updates EgoBot with it! < 1165879083 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it does. < 1165879089 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: Do you see EgoBot in here? < 1165879113 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does EgoBot need to be here for you to update him with it? < 1165879140 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Technically no :P < 1165879148 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. < 1165879170 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you upload it to the archive, at least? < 1165879185 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my access disappeared somewhere ^^ < 1165879192 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or somewhen I should say. < 1165879198 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: so .. int x = 4; x = x - 7; what happens? :) < 1165879214 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION guesses it uses wrapping
< 1165879219 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: It does indeed wrap around. < 1165879220 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1165879236 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: It uses wrapping if you use wrapping in the C code. I think that's the most correct thing I can say. < 1165879271 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I, um... well, where else can I send it? < 1165879287 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes sense.. thanks :) < 1165879300 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: Send it to me, I'll add it and /give/ you the .tar.bz2 ;) < 1165879316 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do whatnow? < 1165879407 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Send me whatever it is you want added to EgoBot, I'll send you a .tar.bz2 of the latest EgoBot. < 1165879529 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that'll work. < 1165879541 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe partially sort of. < 1165879665 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION runs a tar -cz and hopes that's the right way to do it
< 1165879719 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'll want an f there. < 1165879728 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or it'll actually try to write it to a tape ^^ < 1165879787 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That defualt has always made me mad < 1165879824 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tar: -f: Cannot stat: No such file or directory < 1165879836 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's on tar -cz qubit.py qbf.py -f ./qbf.tgz < 1165879965 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tar -zcf qbf.tar.gz < 1165880275 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's wrong with .tgz? :-P < 1165880432 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrugs* < 1165880435 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just a matter of preference. < 1165880535 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is doubtful that that will work.
< 1165880538 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION suggests email.
< 1165880592 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Won't it? < 1165880604 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't seem to be. < 1165880687 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it certainly didn't work. < 1165880702 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have an email address, then? < 1165880723 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it n=GregorR-@192.102.209.4, as my client claims? :-P < 1165880727 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1165882756 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf61f7.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165886494 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1165890650 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1165890841 0 :CakeProphet!n=CakeProp@h110.227.213.151.ip.alltel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165893217 0 :CakeProphet_!n=CakeProp@h110.227.213.151.ip.alltel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165893312 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1165893317 0 :CakeProphet_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :CakeProphet < 1165894408 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1165894778 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Sgeo|Win98destro < 1165894789 0 :Sgeo|Win98destro!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :DestroyerOfWin98 < 1165899526 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1165903612 0 :DestroyerOfWin98!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1165904019 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1165906169 0 :anonfunc!n=pimaniac@adsl-70-135-59-64.dsl.chi2ca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165906187 0 :anonfunc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1165906194 0 :anonfunc!n=pimaniac@adsl-70-135-59-64.dsl.chi2ca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165910399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1165910400 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1165911892 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1165913054 0 :SimonRC!n=sc@bylands.dur.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1165916982 0 :ShadowHntr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"End of line." < 1165923016 0 :lindi-_!n=lindi@kulho150.adsl.netsonic.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1165923545 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1165930485 0 :jix_!n=jix@L60b8.l.strato-dslnet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1165933594 0 :jix__!n=jix@L630f.l.strato-dslnet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1165934103 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1165936669 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... esolang wiki should be updated to mediawiki 1.6 (or greater, if php 5 is available)? < 1165940497 0 :GregorR-L!n=GregorR-@192.102.209.4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1165940600 0 :tgwizard!n=tgwizard@c-923fe155.178-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1165942824 0 :lindi-_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) < 1165943043 0 :lindi-!n=lindi@kulho150.adsl.netsonic.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1165948368 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tokigun: what new capabilities would that give us? < 1165949640 0 :ShadowHntr!i=sentinel@wikipedia/Shadowhntr JOIN :#esoteric < 1165951231 0 :sekhmet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: Security would probably be the biggest bonus, esolang's pretty old < 1165951239 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1165956040 0 :ihope_!n=foo@c-71-205-100-59.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165957080 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1165958498 0 :jix__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Bitte waehlen Sie eine Beerdigungnachricht" < 1165960503 0 :Rugxulo!i=icechat5@adsl-065-013-115-246.sip.mob.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165961227 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf61f7.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165961273 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1165961440 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1165962158 0 :GregorR-L!n=GregorR-@192.102.209.4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1165962818 0 :tgwizard!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1165964083 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1165964083 0 :clog!n=nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1165964142 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1165967232 0 :CakeProphet!n=CakeProp@h239.229.213.151.ip.alltel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165968406 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1165968560 0 :lindi-!n=lindi@kulho150.adsl.netsonic.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1165973725 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1165975560 0 :anonfunc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1165975579 0 :anonfunc!n=pimaniac@adsl-70-135-59-64.dsl.chi2ca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165975589 0 :ShadowHntr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1165979783 0 :anonfunc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1165981685 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"haaaaaaaaaa" < 1165981857 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat, (sorry for late) sekhmet is right; using unmaintained software or version is quite dangerous. < 1165981933 0 :Mequalspi!n=chatzill@c-24-9-83-249.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165981939 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think 1.6.x branch is enough for esowiki though -- it is the lowest major version currently maintained. < 1165981978 0 :Mequalspi!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1165983792 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1165984092 0 :ShadowHntr!i=sentinel@wikipedia/Shadowhntr JOIN :#esoteric < 1165987031 0 :ShadowHntr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1165987137 0 :ShadowHntr!i=sentinel@wikipedia/Shadowhntr JOIN :#esoteric < 1165990196 0 :ShadowHntr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1165990223 0 :sekhmet_!n=pez@ppp-70-226-146-102.dsl.mdsnwi.ameritech.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165990263 0 :sekhmet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1165990266 0 :sekhmet_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sekhmet < 1165990304 0 :okokoko!n=villsalo@194.251.102.88 JOIN :#esoteric < 1165990304 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1165996091 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) < 1165996799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1165996800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1165997007 0 :pgimeno!n=pgimeno@124.Red-80-59-211.staticIP.rima-tde.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1165997245 0 :wooby!n=alan@cpe-66-67-60-51.rochester.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1166004973 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1166013015 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1166013594 0 :ivan`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1166018376 0 :jix_!n=jix@L630f.l.strato-dslnet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1166019970 0 :jix__!n=jix@L6089.l.strato-dslnet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1166020454 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1166024120 0 :wooby!n=alan@cpe-66-67-60-51.rochester.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1166025979 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1166029418 0 :tgwizard!n=tgwizard@c-923fe155.178-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1166032663 0 :GregorR-L!n=GregorR-@192.102.209.4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1166035761 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1166035784 0 :GregorR-L!n=GregorR-@192.102.209.4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1166036233 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1166036352 0 :pgimeno!n=pgimeno@124.Red-80-59-211.staticIP.rima-tde.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166043544 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1166043544 0 :clog!n=nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1166043694 0 :ihope_!n=foo@c-71-205-100-59.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166043700 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ihope < 1166044183 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip72-200-73-175.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166044192 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1166045482 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :howdy < 1166046157 0 :ShadowHntr!i=sentinel@wikipedia/Shadowhntr JOIN :#esoteric < 1166047619 0 :tgwizard!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1166048315 0 :jix__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Bitte waehlen Sie eine Beerdigungnachricht" < 1166049793 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1166049998 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1166050136 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1166050642 0 :CakeProphet!n=CakeProp@h41.253.213.151.ip.alltel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166052912 0 :GregorR-L!n=GregorR-@192.102.209.4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1166053295 0 :maverickbna!i=sentinel@wikipedia/Shadowhntr JOIN :#esoteric < 1166053349 0 :ShadowHntr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1166053353 0 :maverickbna!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ShadowHntr < 1166053855 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@c-75-70-125-182.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166053909 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1166053922 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@c-75-70-125-182.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166055785 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) < 1166058301 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf61f7.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166059908 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.w00t <- IRC for annoying quit-spamming bastards" < 1166060982 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1166061354 0 :RodgerTheGreat!n=RodgerTh@wads-5-233-82.resnet.mtu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1166061427 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1166061455 0 :RodgerTheGreat!n=RodgerTh@wads-5-233-82.resnet.mtu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1166062824 0 :Rugxulo!i=icechat5@adsl-065-013-115-246.sip.mob.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166066913 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1166067815 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1166070887 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1166073834 0 :GregorR-L!n=GregorR-@c-71-193-149-252.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166076010 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1166083199 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1166083200 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1166084286 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1166084313 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1166085135 0 :ShadowHntr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"End of line." < 1166110137 0 :jix_!n=jix@L63b7.l.strato-dslnet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1166113580 0 :ptitz!i=ptitz@no.phear.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1166113603 0 :ptitz!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1166117290 0 :GregorR-L!n=GregorR-@192.102.209.4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1166123609 0 :Arrogant!i=Arrogatn@12.78.67.8 JOIN :#esoteric < 1166123908 0 :tgwizard!n=tgwizard@c-923fe155.178-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1166123911 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION laughs at a guy online who claims to be suprised that _Apocalypse Now_ was against the Vietnam war.
< 1166124699 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1166124865 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Co-incidentaly, he is called "Eddy the great". < 1166124964 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1166125265 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not entirely sure how to respond to that. < 1166125473 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I see. < 1166127666 0 :Arrogant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1166128083 0 :f8ejf!n=askme@199.38-244-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1166128090 0 :f8ejf!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Client exiting" < 1166128107 0 :f8ejf!n=askme@199.38-244-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1166128115 0 :f8ejf!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1166133187 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1166133412 0 :ShadowHntr!i=sentinel@wikipedia/Shadowhntr JOIN :#esoteric < 1166133887 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Bitte waehlen Sie eine Beerdigungnachricht" < 1166134126 0 :pgimeno!n=pgimeno@124.Red-80-59-211.staticIP.rima-tde.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166134684 0 :tgwizard!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1166135223 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1166135589 0 :GregorR-W!n=gregor@jffwprtest.jf.intel.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1166136870 0 :GregorR-L!n=GregorR-@192.102.209.4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1166136938 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0/0000000000]" < 1166139740 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1166139931 0 :GregorR-L!n=GregorR-@192.102.209.4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1166140332 0 :ivan`!i=ivan@wikipedia/ivan JOIN :#esoteric < 1166142729 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes
< 1166142913 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1166143291 0 :maverickbna!n=sentinel@wikipedia/Shadowhntr JOIN :#esoteric < 1166143324 0 :GregorR-L!n=GregorR-@192.102.209.4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1166143339 0 :ShadowHntr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1166143367 0 :maverickbna!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ShadowHntr < 1166144550 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woot, closures in C < 1166145128 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@c-75-70-125-182.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166145304 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one sec, and I'll have some code < 1166145998 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.w00t <- IRC for annoying quit-spamming bastards" < 1166146282 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've done it! < 1166146330 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood.mooo.com/testclosure.c < 1166146371 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even http://bsmntbombdood.mooo.com/testclosure.c < 1166146443 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It even compiles without any warnings < 1166146511 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel naughty < 1166154127 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip72-200-73-175.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166158261 0 :wooby!n=alan@cpe-66-67-60-51.rochester.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1166159049 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1166159848 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1166161031 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip72-200-73-175.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166161751 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1166161787 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip72-200-73-175.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166163583 0 :GregorR-L!n=GregorR-@c-71-193-149-252.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166163631 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1166164372 0 :ShadowHntr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"End of line." < 1166166542 0 :tgwizard!n=tgwizard@c-923fe155.178-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1166169599 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1166169600 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1166169780 0 :tgwizard!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1166169855 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.w00t <- IRC for annoying quit-spamming bastards" < 1166172438 0 :anonfunc!n=pimaniac@adsl-70-135-59-64.dsl.chi2ca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166176747 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood, what platform did you use? linux? < 1166179240 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what OS* < 1166179715 0 :ivan`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :" Want to be different? HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-" < 1166182079 0 :ivan`!i=ivan@wikipedia/ivan JOIN :#esoteric < 1166182783 0 :ivan`!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1166191354 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip72-200-73-175.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166191474 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1166191484 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1166191847 0 :okokoko!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lo < 1166193937 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1166194449 0 :DRMacIver!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1166194721 0 :DRMacIver!n=david@c213-100-27-14.swipnet.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1166195812 0 :woggle!n=somebody@c-76-19-158-153.hsd1.ma.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166197553 0 :GregorR-L!n=GregorR-@192.102.209.4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1166199666 0 :jix_!n=jix@L6119.l.strato-dslnet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1166199985 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION finds superdickery.com. Slogan: "Superman is a dick".
< 1166200104 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, he is evil: < 1166200105 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.superdickery.com/dick/17.html < 1166200284 0 :woggle!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1166200566 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Superdickery = fun :) < 1166201493 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes
< 1166203143 0 :Darksun!n=darksun@88-110-231-239.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1166203186 0 :Darksun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1166209183 0 :ShadowHntr!i=sentinel@wikipedia/Shadowhntr JOIN :#esoteric < 1166209407 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1166210221 0 :GregorR-W!n=gregor@jffwprtest.jf.intel.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1166215146 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION listens to _The Now Show_.
< 1166215147 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay! < 1166215154 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/comedy/nowshow.shtml < 1166215160 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(try it) < 1166215486 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tokigun: yes, I tested it on linux < 1166215505 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shouldn't be platform specific though < 1166215606 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION though it was interesting
< 1166215716 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay for c! < 1166215917 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood, i'm not sure, but i think your code may be not portable < 1166215947 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not? < 1166215949 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at first i expected your code will not work in win32, but it works ;) < 1166216012 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there could be an architecture that doesn't allow to execute instructions in malloc'd memory < 1166216035 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm < 1166216042 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OpenBSD W ^ X < 1166216133 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Think there's a way to undo that < 1166216242 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mprotect < 1166216255 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PROT_EXEC | PROT_READ < 1166216303 0 :CakeProphet!n=CakeProp@h176.252.213.151.ip.alltel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166216344 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1166217227 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swears at bsmntbombdood's ugly hack for a bit.
< 1166217241 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1166217262 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was pretty cool < 1166217353 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :First-clas functions, more literally than usually meant. < 1166217423 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1166217500 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My friends elsenet hate it. < 1166217551 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elsenet? < 1166217554 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you should try writing some of the common HoF, then write an IOCCC entrant in a functional style. < 1166217572 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: yeah, meaning "somewhere else on the net". < 1166217582 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is HoF? < 1166217590 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :higher-order functions < 1166217609 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1166217648 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There should be some better way to find the offset of a variable inside a function without using a sentinal < 1166217662 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could say that < 1166217682 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about implementing standard combinators? :) < 1166217710 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And "int closure" isn't a closure. It's kinda a captured variable. < 1166217756 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That code segfaults on openbsd < 1166217793 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no shit < 1166217959 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gdb segfaults when trying to debug it O.o < 1166218017 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1166218191 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, my hackery is cool < 1166218308 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems several pograms disagree. ^^^ < 1166218366 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pogram? < 1166218378 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :program? < 1166218394 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH, it works on my machine. < 1166218890 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :segfaultage removed < 1166218900 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mprotect(newfunc, size, PROT_WRITE | PROT_READ | PROT_EXEC); < 1166218902 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how? < 1166218910 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1166219016 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it is portable < 1166219035 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1166219190 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :take that, doubters < 1166219360 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1166220000 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-S http://www.propeller-island.de/rooms_neu/room_detail/23/index.php < 1166224643 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf61f7.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166225729 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes to bed
< 1166226081 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@c-75-70-125-182.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166226308 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Lo. < 1166226447 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1166228619 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1166232959 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Bitte waehlen Sie eine Beerdigungnachricht" < 1166233307 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.. Python seems to be popular with scientists and researchers... < 1166234309 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you say that? < 1166238512 0 :sekhmet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"next stop: hard drive!" < 1166243780 0 :ldlework!i=ldle@adsl-68-74-177-117.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166243835 0 :ldlework!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is racecar a palindrome? < 1166243849 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly. < 1166244313 0 :cybercobra!n=cybercob@h-67-101-149-70.snfccasy.dynamic.covad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166245220 0 :Arrogant!i=Arrogatn@12.78.67.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1166247316 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1166249872 0 :cybercobra!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1166252129 0 :ShadowHntr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'm off < 1166252129 0 :ShadowHntr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1166254018 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1166255999 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1166256000 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1166256351 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1166256379 0 :GregorR-W!n=gregor@jffwprtest.jf.intel.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1166259106 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) < 1166260078 0 :Arrogant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1166263356 0 :tgwizard!n=tgwizard@c-923fe155.178-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1166263887 0 :jix_!n=jix@L627a.l.strato-dslnet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1166269304 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep" < 1166276134 0 :mickoko!i=mickoko@203-217-40-157.perm.iinet.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1166276228 0 :mickoko!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1166276275 0 :mickoko!i=mickoko@203-217-40-157.perm.iinet.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1166276300 0 :mickoko!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1166277164 0 :jix_!n=jix@L627a.l.strato-dslnet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1166279197 0 :ldlework!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1166281023 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@cpc1-stkn2-0-0-cust919.midd.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1166281607 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Chatzilla 0.9.75 [IceWeasel 1.0.1b2] (kidding!)" < 1166287480 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@c-75-70-125-182.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166290656 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf61f7.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166291295 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Bitte waehlen Sie eine Beerdigungnachricht" < 1166291354 0 :pikhq_!n=pikhq@c-75-70-125-182.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166291354 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1166293292 0 :ShadowHntr!i=sentinel@wikipedia/Shadowhntr JOIN :#esoteric < 1166294758 0 :Sph1nx!n=sphinx@89-178-11-109.broadband.corbina.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1166294774 0 :Sph1nx!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1166295688 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1166297448 0 :Sukoshi!n=user@user-11faadf.dsl.mindspring.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1166297639 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1166297828 0 :pgimeno!n=pgimeno@124.Red-80-59-211.staticIP.rima-tde.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166297912 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :pikhq < 1166298079 0 :maverickbna!i=sentinel@wikipedia/Shadowhntr JOIN :#esoteric < 1166298115 0 :ShadowHntr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1166298155 0 :maverickbna!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ShadowHntr < 1166300061 0 :ShadowHntr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1166301665 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1166301703 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mh < 1166301787 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1166303722 0 :okokoko!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec 3["ko"30RndMul"o"SwpAddPrntNlDrp1SubDbl] < 1166304367 0 :CakeProphet!n=CakeProp@h176.252.213.151.ip.alltel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166307778 0 :sekhmet!n=pez@ppp-70-226-146-102.dsl.mdsnwi.ameritech.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166308495 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sighs
< 1166308509 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION curses at Egobot's nonexistence
< 1166308845 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1166310299 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host86-130-84-20.range86-130.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1166310600 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1166310613 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@c-75-70-125-182.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166310680 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1166312952 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yikes! Take the scary Christians away! http://www.spinnoff.com/zbb/viewtopic.php?p=453499 < 1166313266 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scary indeed < 1166313285 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But seriously, don't watch that on youtube, download a torren < 1166313286 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1166313427 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, there's a whole generation of people who know nothing of torrent and only demand subpar tasteless YouTube clips! < 1166313443 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will you really deny them of their happiness?! < 1166313452 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*subpar quality < 1166313536 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1166313551 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: you tell me too late < 1166313551 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-( < 1166313569 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there torrent software for Windows? < 1166313586 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're joking, right? < 1166313588 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure there is < 1166313617 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sure hopes SimonRC is joking.
< 1166313718 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope he's joking < 1166313725 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come on, windows? < 1166313759 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1166314079 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Chatzilla 0.9.75 [IceWeasel 1.0.1b2] (kidding!)" < 1166314092 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have a fd for a new file, and mmap memory of that fd to the desired length of the new file (bigger than the size of the file now, obviously) and write to the mmap'd memory, does it write correctly? < 1166314233 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never understood mmap < 1166314281 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maps a file's contents in virtual memory to a pointer, with the space occupying a desired length. < 1166314312 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So writes to the memory change the file? < 1166314360 0 :wooby!n=alan@cpe-66-67-60-51.rochester.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1166314366 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1166314558 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1166314592 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1166314603 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :portable? < 1166314610 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :POSIX compatible. < 1166314633 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean windows < 1166314640 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hides
< 1166314641 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea. < 1166314667 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows doesen't really have much to hook onto the lower portions of the OS, so I have no idea. < 1166315016 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows is terrible < 1166315145 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes to bed.
< 1166315152 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would one use mmap? < 1166316765 0 :wooby!n=alan@cpe-66-67-60-51.rochester.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1166316828 0 :GregorR-Grrr!n=ircont9k@cpe-024-088-009-063.sc.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1166316835 0 :GregorR-Grrr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi * < 1166316839 0 :GregorR-Grrr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION 's internet is down :(
< 1166316850 0 :GregorR-Grrr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll bring EgoBot back online when it's back up. < 1166316885 0 :GregorR-Grrr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1166317333 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HA HA NO INTERNETS FOR YOU < 1166318104 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the record, Windows also has its own memory mapping functions (I think that glibc for MinGW implements POSIX mmap) < 1166318606 0 :tgwizard!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1166319335 0 :ShadowHntr!i=sentinel@wikipedia/Shadowhntr JOIN :#esoteric < 1166320331 0 :ShadowHntr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1166325180 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=thematri@210-86-105-189.jetstream.xtra.co.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1166325450 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: Because IO with mmap is faster than IO without. < 1166325480 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus it's easier to follow pointer arithmetic than reading arithmetic, just IMO. < 1166328946 0 :thematrixeatsyou!n=thematri@222-152-178-108.jetstream.xtra.co.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1166329017 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1166329026 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1166329042 0 :thematrixeatsyou!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :GreaseMonkey < 1166329673 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1166330103 0 :anonfunc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1166332929 0 :wooby!n=alan@cpe-66-67-60-51.rochester.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1166332939 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1166333533 0 :anonfunc!n=pimaniac@adsl-70-135-59-64.dsl.chi2ca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166333914 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... < 1166333925 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm making classes in Python that emulate the various computational classes. < 1166333956 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got finite state automata.... but I need to ponder how to implmenet cellular automato. < 1166333958 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a < 1166334210 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, use resizable array or dictionary < 1166334269 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dictionary could be slow but it is easy for implementing such things < 1166334281 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1166334292 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python lists are resizable by default. < 1166334298 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...you don't even specify a size for them. < 1166334334 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, but if you need more speed... ;) < 1166334358 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know -how- to spatially organize it... < 1166334374 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but how do I allow the programmer to specify -what- is considered to be a cells "neighborhood" < 1166334387 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as not all CA use the "8 adjacent cells" thing. < 1166334393 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1166334396 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see. < 1166334500 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The states of each of a cells neighbors would be passed to a "transition function"... that determines what the state of the cell becomes based on that list. < 1166334622 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the transition function is user-defined. < 1166334677 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if both arbitrary transition function and infinite cells are allowed, it seems difficult to update the state of cells < 1166334825 0 :wooby!n=alan@cpe-66-67-60-51.rochester.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1166334833 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you may need additional functions, for example list of affected cells when a state of one cell is changed < 1166334992 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1166335133 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tokigun, The transition function would simply be called on the neighborhoods of the cells neighbors. < 1166335146 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you get a domino effect... like a CA < 1166335243 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I still don't have an easy way to define a cells neighborhood... other than the usualy 8-adjacent-cells. < 1166335270 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm i thought transition function could be any computable function... right? < 1166335357 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, nevermind. < 1166335415 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can be. < 1166335426 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any function that accepts a list of cells. < 1166336169 0 :ivan`_!i=ivan@adsl-71-143-7-74.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166336184 0 :ivan`_!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1166336245 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1166336262 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A function that determines a cells neighborhood. < 1166336301 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the return value of the function is a list of the positions of all the cells in that cell's neighborhood. < 1166336969 0 :thematrixeatsyou!n=thematri@222-152-178-108.jetstream.xtra.co.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1166336978 0 :thematrixeatsyou!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1166338786 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gonna go now, cya < 1166338793 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Connection error 130 (Monkey too greasy)" < 1166342399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1166342400 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1166350867 0 :bd_!n=foo@donlanbj3.umeres.maine.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1166351822 0 :ShadowHntr!n=sentinel@wikipedia/Shadowhntr JOIN :#esoteric < 1166352264 0 :ShadowHntr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1166355830 0 :anonfunc!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1166356601 0 :tgwizard!n=tgwizard@c-923fe155.178-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1166357061 0 :jix_!n=jix@L60d1.l.strato-dslnet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1166357710 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: assuming you're not aiming towards supporting a radius-2+ neighbourhood, my guess is that the transition function can be passed all 9 cells and decide by itself which ones to ignore < 1166357754 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. just ignore nw, ne, sw, se for a von-Neumann neighbourhood < 1166360171 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host86-130-84-20.range86-130.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1166363607 0 :DRMacIver!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1166372945 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Chatzilla 0.9.75 [IceWeasel 1.0.1b2] (kidding!)" < 1166374010 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep" < 1166377042 0 :fizbin!n=chatzill@pool-70-17-41-31.pskn.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166382970 0 :fizbin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1166382979 0 :fizbin!n=chatzill@pool-70-17-41-31.pskn.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166383983 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it counterproductive to mmap a file, then munmap it, only to write to it later? < 1166384065 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"haaaaaaaaaa" < 1166384969 0 :tgwizard!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1166384997 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host86-130-84-20.range86-130.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1166386823 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1166387067 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1166387132 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi: I saw your mmap question in the logs < 1166387174 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the man page seems to indicate that extra memory is not written to the file < 1166387276 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"For a file that is not a multiple of the page size, the remaining memory is zeroed when mapped, and writes to that region are not written out to the file. < 1166387898 0 :tgwizard!n=tgwizard@c-923fe155.178-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1166389056 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1166389058 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poop. < 1166389107 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand, since you have to give the length in advance, why not just enlarge the file itself first? < 1166389121 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I don't want to enlarge the file. < 1166389149 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the transfer interrupts, you'll just have a large zero-padded file, which I don't really want. < 1166389158 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd rather have a file with no padding. < 1166389198 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic < 1166390288 0 :jix_!n=jix@L60d1.l.strato-dslnet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1166390491 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=thematri@219-89-50-107.dialup.xtra.co.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1166390953 0 :CakeProphet!n=CakeProp@h176.252.213.151.ip.alltel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166391968 0 :wooby!n=alan@cpe-66-67-60-51.rochester.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1166392342 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Bitte waehlen Sie eine Beerdigungnachricht" < 1166392387 0 :ihope!n=foo@c-71-205-100-59.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166392573 0 :Rugxulo!i=icechat5@adsl-065-013-115-246.sip.mob.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166392818 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host86-130-84-20.range86-130.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1166393287 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@c-75-70-125-182.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166394293 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Do fish get thirsty?" < 1166395201 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Chatzilla 0.9.75 [IceWeasel 1.0.1b2] (kidding!)" < 1166396019 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the downside to wikis: when you are reading something that is _not_ a wiki, see a spelling error, and start looking for the edit button... < 1166396232 0 :tgwizard!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1166396290 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the downside to the internet: i am probably the 5190357th person to make that observation) < 1166396344 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heheh. < 1166396442 0 :ShadowHntr!i=sentinel@wikipedia/Shadowhntr JOIN :#esoteric < 1166397487 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION uses the /edit command to capitalize everything oerjan said
< 1166397488 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1166397539 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, that's a derived work! i demand royalties :) < 1166397580 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION uses /ctcp ihope STAB to stab ihope
< 1166397583 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gives oerjan a crown and robes and everything
< 1166397587 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION was stupid enough to actually try /help edit ...
< 1166397645 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: right! Off With His Head, We Say < 1166397847 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh oh... < 1166397853 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION runs away
< 1166397926 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION realizes royalty can be dangerous to his surroundings, and removes the regalia
< 1166398054 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :royalty: a Weapon of Mass Destruction < 1166398099 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hopes the king and queen of Norway are not Not Amused
< 1166398203 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thus wishes to point out that presidency is also a WMD.
< 1166398517 0 :maverickbna!i=sentinel@wikipedia/Shadowhntr JOIN :#esoteric < 1166398554 0 :ShadowHntr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1166398583 0 :maverickbna!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ShadowHntr < 1166398665 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1166399062 0 :maverickbna!i=sentinel@wikipedia/Shadowhntr JOIN :#esoteric < 1166399128 0 :ShadowHntr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1166399138 0 :maverickbna!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ShadowHntr < 1166400966 0 :ShadowHntr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1166401828 0 :Haarfager!n=LordMull@h134n5c1o260.bredband.skanova.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1166404397 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1166404480 0 :sentinel!i=sentinel@c-68-52-48-169.hsd1.tn.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166404507 0 :sentinel!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ShadowHntr < 1166404516 0 :ShadowHntr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1166404523 0 :ShadowHntr!i=sentinel@wikipedia/Shadowhntr JOIN :#esoteric < 1166405009 0 :fizbin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.8/2006102516]" < 1166405864 0 :Elvang!i=chatzill@ip68-3-107-127.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166405890 0 :Elvang!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1166406827 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip72-200-73-175.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166406888 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1166406938 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1166408924 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1166409864 0 :Furious_joe!n=riri@143.238.245.24 JOIN :#esoteric < 1166409891 0 :Furious_joe!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please say "Hello world" < 1166410135 0 :ivan`!i=ivan@wikipedia/ivan JOIN :#esoteric < 1166410329 0 :Furious_joe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1166411783 0 :maverickbna!i=sentinel@wikipedia/Shadowhntr JOIN :#esoteric < 1166411828 0 :ShadowHntr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1166411836 0 :maverickbna!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ShadowHntr < 1166413649 0 :ShadowHntr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"End of line." < 1166415088 0 :wooby!n=alan@cpe-66-67-60-51.rochester.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1166415498 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1166416343 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1166417016 0 :Haarfager!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1166417459 0 :JazzDonkey!n=donkery@60.227.231.222 JOIN :#esoteric < 1166418531 0 :JazzDonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 1.5.0.8/2006102516]" < 1166419433 0 :eff!i=eff@c-24-21-247-13.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166419486 0 :eff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please show me the GCD of 54 and 30 < 1166419574 0 :eff!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1166420928 0 :Arrogant!i=Paragon@164.orlando-09rh15-16rt.fl.dial-access.att.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166422630 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1166424229 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1166428799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1166428800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1166434291 0 :Arrogant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1166435256 0 :dakam!n=chatzill@h191.74.255.206.cable.htsp.cablelynx.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1166435694 0 :dakam!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1166439335 0 :rcxdude!n=rcxdude@host81-157-212-37.range81-157.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1166441179 0 :GroovyPigThing!n=a@client-86-30-43-95.leed.adsl.ntlworld.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1166443759 0 :Toymakerii!n=Toymaker@user-12l2hpj.cable.mindspring.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1166443798 0 :Toymakerii!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1166444022 0 :Toymakerii!n=Toymaker@user-12l2hpj.cable.mindspring.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1166444128 0 :GroovyPigThing!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 3.81 :: www.XLhost.de )" < 1166444280 0 :Toymakerii!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1166444884 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1166454948 0 :jix_!n=jix@L62f0.l.strato-dslnet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1166456703 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host86-130-84-20.range86-130.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1166458210 0 :sync-!n=dovereem@secnet.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1166458293 0 :sync-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is in doubt if he should ask for someone to type the complete 99 bottles lyrics ;p
< 1166458742 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Chatzilla 0.9.75 [IceWeasel 1.0.1b2] (kidding!)" < 1166458797 0 :GregorR-W!n=gregor@jffwprtest.jf.intel.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1166460245 0 :wooby_!n=alan@cpe-66-67-60-51.rochester.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1166460289 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1166460369 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1166460372 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6 < 1166461674 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1166462924 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@c-24-22-56-63.hsd1.mn.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166464197 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please prove that you are turing complete for me. < 1166464286 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+[-] < 1166464954 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there an epidemy of IRP or some /. article or something? < 1166465028 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-[[+>+-]>] < 1166465278 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_O < 1166465282 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My home computer is alive!!! < 1166465289 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: YOU'RE A-LIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIVE < 1166465378 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the other hand, if an op decides to kick GregorR, he won't be alive. < 1166466459 0 :wooby_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1166466760 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not so fast, does it respond to ping? < 1166466784 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems not. < 1166466804 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it was briefly up X-P < 1166467150 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1166467167 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@c-24-22-56-63.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166469868 0 :Arrogant!i=Arrogatn@149.orlando-06-08rs.fl.dial-access.att.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166471909 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1166472740 0 :tgwizard!n=tgwizard@c-923fe155.178-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1166474947 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Bitte waehlen Sie eine Beerdigungnachricht" < 1166475542 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Has anyone looked at GNU Epsilon? < 1166475639 0 :Arrogant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1166477911 0 :ihope__!n=foo@c-71-205-100-59.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166477913 0 :ihope__!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ihope < 1166479781 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1166479783 0 :pgimeno_!n=pgimeno@124.Red-80-59-211.staticIP.rima-tde.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166479795 0 :pgimeno_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :pgimeno < 1166480318 0 :CakeProphet!n=CakeProp@h238.245.213.151.ip.alltel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166482090 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1166482314 0 :tgwizard!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1166485271 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take that as a no? < 1166485311 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be a no :) < 1166485328 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you for your prompt reply :P < 1166485354 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :早い答でありがとうございます。 < 1166485638 0 :wooby!n=alan@cpe-66-67-60-51.rochester.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1166491416 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip72-200-73-175.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166491453 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1166492947 0 :fizbin!n=chatzill@pool-70-17-41-31.pskn.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166494883 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@c-75-70-125-182.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166494982 0 :fizbin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.8/2006102516]" < 1166497991 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1166498088 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@c-24-22-56-63.hsd1.mn.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166499488 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night" < 1166499534 0 :ShadowHntr!n=sentinel@wikipedia/Shadowhntr JOIN :#esoteric < 1166501150 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :No route to host < 1166501861 0 :wooby!n=alan@cpe-66-67-60-51.rochester.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1166501877 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1166503080 0 :anonfunc!n=pimaniac@adsl-70-135-59-64.dsl.chi2ca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166503696 0 :mick_!n=mick@c-24-21-133-189.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166503718 0 :mick_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1166503777 0 :mick_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone there> < 1166503780 0 :mick_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1166503823 0 :mick_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1166504301 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1166504370 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1166504997 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@c-24-22-56-63.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166505451 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, his patience lasted him one minute, and then he left. < 1166505464 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zomg GregorR < 1166506090 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I was gone all weekend. < 1166506092 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was omgwtf. < 1166506115 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Comcast + windstorm = AH CONT HONDLE THUH ENGINES SIR! < 1166506119 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BBQ! < 1166507182 0 :graue!i=graue@ip68-100-130-21.dc.dc.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166507371 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1166512713 0 :anonfunc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1166515199 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1166515200 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1166515237 0 :ShadowHntr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1166515442 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1166515472 0 :GregorR-W!n=gregor@jffwprtest.jf.intel.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1166515850 0 :ShadowHntr!i=sentinel@wikipedia/Shadowhntr JOIN :#esoteric < 1166515973 0 :anonfunc!n=pimaniac@adsl-70-135-59-64.dsl.chi2ca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166517382 0 :wooby!n=alan@cpe-66-67-60-51.rochester.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1166519456 0 :sync-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1166523726 0 :ShadowHntr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1166528988 0 :ivan`_!i=ivan@wikipedia/ivan JOIN :#esoteric < 1166530080 0 :ivan`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1166530081 0 :ivan`_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ivan` < 1166531077 0 :ivan`_!i=ivan@wikipedia/ivan JOIN :#esoteric < 1166531562 0 :jix_!n=jix@L63ae.l.strato-dslnet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1166532044 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1166532084 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@c-24-22-56-63.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166532095 0 :ivan`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1166532095 0 :ivan`_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ivan` < 1166540516 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1166540677 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@c-24-22-56-63.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166542268 0 :tgwizard!n=tgwizard@c-923fe155.178-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1166548212 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host86-130-84-20.range86-130.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1166550733 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1166552936 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1166554051 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1166555568 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that trying to fit the whole of _Hogfather_ in 3 hours created some confusion. < 1166556919 0 :rcxdude!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"beware of the... arggghhhhh" < 1166557416 0 :anonfunc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1166558606 0 :wooby!n=alan@inanna.rit.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1166558656 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1166561519 0 :ShadowHntr!i=sentinel@wikipedia/Shadowhntr JOIN :#esoteric < 1166561810 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ShadowHntr: hi < 1166561823 0 :ShadowHntr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :howdy < 1166564077 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :InedibleBulk < 1166564303 0 :ihope__!n=foo@c-71-205-100-59.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166564343 0 :ihope__!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ihope_ < 1166564756 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1166564911 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@c-24-22-56-63.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166565309 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1166565680 0 :CakeProphet!n=CakeProp@h124.238.213.151.ip.alltel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166565685 0 :InedibleBulk!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :GregorR-W < 1166566468 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Bitte waehlen Sie eine Beerdigungnachricht" < 1166566660 0 :ehempel!n=ircont9k@cpe-024-088-009-063.sc.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1166567674 0 :ehempel!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"CGI:IRC (EOF)" < 1166567793 0 :tgwizard!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1166567956 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1166568945 0 :ivan`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1166569223 0 :ivan`!i=ivan@wikipedia/ivan JOIN :#esoteric < 1166571499 0 :bd_!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1166573594 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf61f7.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166573935 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grar < 1166573943 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate it when people say HTML isn't a programming language < 1166574349 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes to bed
< 1166574366 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: It's a language, but not a *programming* language. < 1166574374 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it is < 1166574380 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it isn't < 1166574396 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A programming language is an artificial language that can be used to control the behavior of a machine, particularly a computer. " < 1166574396 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't calculate anything with it < 1166574407 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is that from? < 1166574408 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTML controls an html renderer < 1166574422 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia < 1166574422 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTML is a markup language, not a programming language. < 1166574426 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your definition is incomplete. < 1166574438 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Programming languages don't have to be turing complete < 1166574445 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, they don't. < 1166574451 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note: a programming language need not be turing-complete < 1166574470 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A programming language is an artificial language that can be used to control the behavior of a machine, particularly a computer." < true < 1166574484 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"All artificial languages that can be used to control the behavior of a machine, particularly a computer are programming languages." < false < 1166574484 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A rendering engine is a machine < 1166574512 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Epigram is clearly a programmming language, even though it is not generally recursive, and htus not Turing-Complete. < 1166574564 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, having taken the bait, I should go to bed. < 1166574571 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes to bed
< 1166574643 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTML provides no branch or loop semantics, which are IMHO a requirement for anything to be considered a programming language. < 1166574784 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the way, on that same page of Wikipedia: "Non-computational languages, such as markup languages like HTML or formal grammars like BNF, are usually not considered programming languages." < 1166578226 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0/0000000000]" < 1166582739 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1166583119 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night" < 1166585810 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@c-75-70-126-209.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166587358 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :require("stdio.plof"); stdio.StdOut.writeln("Plof lives!"); < 1166587610 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :string ow! "Making BFM a better compiler hurts!" < 1166588269 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wrote an irc bot
< 1166588279 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT'S IT < 1166588283 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm bringing EgoBot back. < 1166588303 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay! < 1166588319 0 :bsmnt_bot!n=bsmnt@abacus.kwzs.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1166588329 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, can you add BFM support to EgoBot? :p < 1166588343 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My bot rocks < 1166588353 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!raw PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i do < 1166588353 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i do < 1166588355 0 :EgoBot!n=EgoBot@c-24-22-56-63.hsd1.mn.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166588370 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zomg < 1166588374 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfm < 1166588376 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1166588377 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :us bots can get it on < 1166588379 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!raw PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm better. < 1166588380 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm better. < 1166588394 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!raw QUIT < 1166588400 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I'm better < 1166588409 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1166588412 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :help ps kill i eof flush show ls bf_txtgen usertrig daemon undaemon < 1166588413 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You have to match a regex < 1166588414 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1l 2l adjust axo bch bf{8,[16],32,64} funge93 fyb fybs glass glypho kipple lambda lazyk linguine malbolge pbrain qbf rail rhotor sadol sceql trigger udage01 unlambda whirl < 1166588421 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: No, really? < 1166588431 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, really < 1166588435 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :bsmntbombdood2 < 1166588441 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1166588443 0 :bsmntbombdood2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!raw QUIT < 1166588446 0 :bsmntbombdood2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darn :P < 1166588448 0 :bsmntbombdood2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :GregorR < 1166588458 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"^:bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@about/copyleft/user/bsmntbombdood PRIVMSG \S* :!exec" < 1166588463 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the regex < 1166588478 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has a better regex. . .
< 1166588484 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"*" < 1166588487 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops, "^:bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@about/copyleft/user/bsmntbombdood PRIVMSG \S* :!raw" < 1166588491 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's anarchy! < 1166588508 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: !ctcp has that regex < 1166588526 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ctcp #esoteric ACTION is glad < 1166588526 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is glad
< 1166588528 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1166588577 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That could probably be abused. < 1166588582 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1166588584 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks for abusive ctcps
< 1166588630 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec self.register_raw("^pikhq.*!%s" % "zomgquit", lambda x : True) < 1166588634 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1166588636 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now pikhq can kill it < 1166588638 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ctcp #esoteric PING < 1166588640 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1166588649 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Repeat that a few times == DDOS < 1166588659 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1166588695 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq can kill it with !zomgquit < 1166588715 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun < 1166588722 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :pikhq_not < 1166588726 0 :pikhq_not!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!zomgquit < 1166588728 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1166588737 0 :pikhq_not!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1166588741 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm < 1166588742 0 :pikhq_not!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :GregorR < 1166588744 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's interesting < 1166588764 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooops < 1166588801 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec self.register_raw("^:pikhq.*!%s" % "zomgquit", lambda x : True) < 1166588803 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there < 1166588805 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1166588926 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec self.register_raw("^:GregorR.*!%s" % "zomgquit", lambda x : bot.raw("PRIVMSG GregorR :ha ha you can't kill it")) < 1166588928 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1166588982 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!zomgquit < 1166588985 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1166588989 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh darn < 1166588995 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::kornbluth.freenode.net 505 bsmnt_bot :Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg ) < 1166589002 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1166589021 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION does this part in private message
< 1166589055 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there < 1166589109 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now you can do it < 1166589135 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!zomgquit < 1166589139 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1166589198 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You got that message, right? < 1166589206 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah :P < 1166589217 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On an unrelated note, http://www.codu.org/plof/ < 1166589222 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is proud of the bot he hacked up in half an hour
< 1166589303 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tooo many P languages! < 1166589371 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION huggles lisp
< 1166589388 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm going to re write this bot in lisp < 1166589396 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH NO! < 1166589405 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT REWRITING! < 1166589423 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!zomgquit < 1166589424 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1166589426 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1166589427 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1166589436 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1166589443 0 :bsmnt_bot!n=bsmnt@abacus.kwzs.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1166589497 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zomg you kill me < 1166589510 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION recommends you rewrite the bot in Tcl.
< 1166589532 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With [package require irc], from Tcllib, you've got your work cut out for you. < 1166589581 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bsmntbombdood.mooo.com/ircbot.py is teh codz0rs < 1166589604 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugly, I know < 1166589620 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: The phrase, "You've got your work cut out for you" means "You have a lot of work" < 1166589729 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1166589773 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The whole point was to do it from scratch < 1166589966 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, do you have an implementation of plof? < 1166590041 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, one. < 1166590051 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In D, so you probably can't [easily] use it ^^ < 1166590061 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1166590132 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks interesting < 1166590138 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :var B = A + [ funcb = { println("Bye!"); } ]; < 1166590139 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?? < 1166590169 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :B is a new class the inherits from A? < 1166590173 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inheritance, interface implementation and such are abstracted to object arithmetic. < 1166590181 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So basically, yeah. < 1166590184 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat < 1166590274 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Want me to compile dplof for you? < 1166590281 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreter? < 1166590288 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1166590291 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1166590296 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Platform? < 1166590302 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x86 linux < 1166590312 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One sec. < 1166590459 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.codu.org/plof/dplof-x86-gnuWlinux-2006-12-19.tar.gz < 1166590501 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a sort of crappy parser, so if you get an assertion failure, it's probably unparsable code with no useful error message :) < 1166590537 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No reading from stdin? < 1166590587 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See module stdio.plof < 1166590597 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stdio.StdIn.read[ln] < 1166590602 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(More TBA) < 1166590658 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1166590662 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@about/copyleft/user/bsmntbombdood JOIN :#esoteric < 1166590667 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not gettin it < 1166590682 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could you be less specific? :) < 1166590693 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I read code from stdin? < 1166590709 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :var linefromstdin = stdio.StdIn.readln(); < 1166590719 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, the interpreter < 1166590724 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH < 1166590729 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has to be in a file ATM < 1166590732 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1166590738 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose I should allow it to read from stdin >_> < 1166590877 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm < 1166590883 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when to use [] and when to use {}? < 1166590893 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[] is an object, {} is a function < 1166590968 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear < 1166590970 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :segfault < 1166590992 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's at least one point where I have: *(cast(int *) 0) = 0; < 1166591005 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's easier to backtrace than an assert :) < 1166591026 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pastebin your code, I'll probably see the issue. < 1166591047 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1166591056 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :var A = [main = {println("Hello, World");}] < 1166591063 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :var test = new(A); < 1166591063 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :test.main(); < 1166591074 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Put a ; after ] < 1166591085 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaah < 1166591103 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :picky parser ;) < 1166591112 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think now would be a good time to make some useful error messages for misparses :) < 1166591130 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just assert()'d away anything that couldn't parse :) < 1166591258 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks interesting so far < 1166591327 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Ex-Chat" < 1166591511 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do method/function declarations need a semicolon? < 1166591545 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty much everything needs a semicolon - there are only statements. < 1166591552 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In [], elements are comma-separated. < 1166591575 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm considering changing that) < 1166591610 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH - you can have an expression as the only member of a function, with no ;, in which case it's a function that returns the value of that expression. < 1166591623 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's self? < 1166591680 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1166591699 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a method < 1166591711 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the name of the object < 1166591737 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH ... I thought it was 'this', but I'm starting to think I may not have implemented that in dplof 8-X < 1166591749 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shoot ... I may have forgotten to put that in >_> < 1166591771 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh <_<, < 1166591979 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, no this < 1166591986 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I'm fixing it as we speak. < 1166592372 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done, making you a new binary. < 1166592490 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.codu.org/plof/dplof-x86-gnuWlinux-2006-12-19-2.tar.gz < 1166592829 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I inexplicably included some rampantly-incomplete core/*.plof files in that tarball, but no worries :P < 1166592915 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmmk < 1166592969 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION will look more tommorow, but must sleep now
< 1166592976 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finals tommorow :( < 1166593058 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!quit < 1166593058 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1166593060 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1166593137 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :G'luck < 1166593365 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woot: < 1166593373 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :var A = [ < 1166593373 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : foo = { < 1166593373 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : println("toplevel foo"); < 1166593373 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : this.foo = { < 1166593375 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : println("midlevel foo"); < 1166593378 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : this.foo = { < 1166593380 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : println("insidelevel foo"); < 1166593383 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : } < 1166593385 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : } < 1166593390 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : } < 1166593393 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :]; < 1166593395 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1166593449 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup, that's one of those nasty things you can do :P < 1166593458 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, "this." isn't necessary there. < 1166593478 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Part of why I didn't remember to put in "this" is that it's not strictly necessary) < 1166593483 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1166593486 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Erm, not with a dot anyway) < 1166593511 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you don't put a "var" before something, it will look for it in parent scopes, not create a new one at the current scope. < 1166593526 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION likey
< 1166593545 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, you need to explicitly declare all variables *shrugs* < 1166593589 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How come methods aren't? < 1166593621 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are - variables in objects, however, have a different syntax entirely. < 1166593651 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Variables in [] are just comma-separated variables - it doesn't take full expressions, so it's not ambiguous. < 1166593729 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think i can explain that better: < 1166593739 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In {} you have code: statements, expressions, whatever. < 1166593744 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In [], you just have a list of variables in that object. < 1166593834 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok really bedtime now < 1166593859 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye :) < 1166594203 0 :ShadowHntr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"End of line." < 1166594370 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, is Plof a whole bunch of Flex/Bison? < 1166594465 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, custom lexer/parser. < 1166594481 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha. A real programmer, huh? ;) < 1166594485 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It only has three intrinsic constructs, so parsing is simple. < 1166594489 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1166594505 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm attemping to follow a Ruby discussion in Japanese. < 1166594533 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And how's your Japanese? :) < 1166594550 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, enough to follow most of the conversation without resorting to the dictionary. < 1166594583 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The computer words and some other stuff get me. < 1166594599 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently a packed Ruby Struct is a good structure to use for something like an address book. < 1166594609 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think vocabulary is the reason I never learned another language: grammar I can do, but vocabulary is just impossible X_X < 1166594627 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I crunch some 60 words a day for a while, then go on a massive review. < 1166594637 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in a review phase now. < 1166595046 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh. Obviously Japanese people aren't as clean as they're advertised to be. < 1166596488 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Razor-X < 1166596495 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Sukoshi < 1166601599 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1166601600 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1166606755 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1166606785 0 :CakeProphet!n=CakeProp@h124.238.213.151.ip.alltel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166607314 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection reset by peer < 1166607319 0 :CakeProphet_!n=CakeProp@h124.238.213.151.ip.alltel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166607323 0 :CakeProphet_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :CakeProphet < 1166607463 0 :CakeProphet_!n=CakeProp@h124.238.213.151.ip.alltel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166607503 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) < 1166607504 0 :CakeProphet_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :CakeProphet < 1166608945 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host86-130-84-20.range86-130.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1166610719 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"haaaaaaaaaa" < 1166611058 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1166611087 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@122.46.198.22 JOIN :#esoteric < 1166611089 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1166611100 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@122.46.198.22 JOIN :#esoteric < 1166611264 0 :ihope_!n=foo@c-71-205-100-59.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166616051 0 :has_many_questio!n=Deezzer@c-67-169-69-28.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166616145 0 :has_many_questio!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1166622370 0 :ore2!n=ore@c206.fem.tu-ilmenau.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1166625592 0 :jix_!n=jix@L6070.l.strato-dslnet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1166626833 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@c-75-70-126-209.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166629889 0 :GregorR-W!n=gregor@jffwprtest.jf.intel.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1166630033 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1166633110 0 :PiedotTaste|Lapt!n=acoustic@82-37-201-242.cable.ubr05.dudl.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1166633214 0 :PiedotTaste|Lapt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please say "is this real" < 1166633216 0 :PiedotTaste|Lapt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1166633218 0 :PiedotTaste|Lapt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :): < 1166633227 0 :PiedotTaste|Lapt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ego? < 1166633258 0 :PiedotTaste|Lapt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please say ":o". < 1166633260 0 :PiedotTaste|Lapt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :): < 1166633272 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntax error < 1166633276 0 :PiedotTaste|Lapt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::x < 1166633282 0 :PiedotTaste|Lapt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wiki lied ): < 1166633286 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERROR: LAZY PROGRAMMERS < 1166633301 0 :PiedotTaste|Lapt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1166633333 0 :PiedotTaste|Lapt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please write this exact line to the channel :o < 1166633336 0 :PiedotTaste|Lapt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1166633336 0 :PiedotTaste|Lapt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1166633350 0 :PiedotTaste|Lapt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :humbug ): < 1166633353 0 :PiedotTaste|Lapt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there goes a time waster ): < 1166633356 0 :PiedotTaste|Lapt!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"bai bai." < 1166634007 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1166634312 0 :bsmnt_bot!n=bsmnt@abacus.kwzs.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1166634319 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: My thoughts exactly :P < 1166634326 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg bot < 1166634363 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Snow day! < 1166634465 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You live in Colorado? < 1166634472 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1166634512 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is your bot in ... I don't even know what country. Belaruse? < 1166634522 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Belgium? :P < 1166634523 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION loves this state
< 1166634537 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't snow enough < 1166634576 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't seen snow in years. < 1166634584 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's terrible! < 1166634598 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When it's below freezing, we get freezing rain and sleet. < 1166634604 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When it's above freezing, we get rain. < 1166634660 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When it's below freezing, we get either snow or cold air. < 1166634681 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When it's above freezing, we get either snow, hail, rain, cold air, or warm air. < 1166634683 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the snow is in a vacuum, eh. < 1166634686 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thta's gotta suck. < 1166634690 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*That's < 1166634693 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm snow < 1166634706 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When it's below freezing, us Californians wonder what the hell is going on in the world. < 1166634707 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm goign to ski down my street later < 1166634734 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi: Need an extra "i" for your name to be valid Romanised Japanese. ;) < 1166634756 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do? < 1166634775 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... they ... don't have a "shi" sound? < 1166634785 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My IME and xjdic and kinput2 read it correctly. < 1166634793 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-W: Yes, they do. < 1166634807 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My IME == mule. < 1166634821 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION rewrites bsmnt_bot
< 1166634835 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi: The word "sukoshii" has an elongated "i". < 1166634847 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you refer to some word that I don't know, that is. :p < 1166634869 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My dictionary says Sukoshi, with no extra `i'. < 1166634879 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a な-adj. < 1166634884 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :少し < 1166634907 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :（勝つ） < 1166634916 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could've *sworn* it was an i-adj. < 1166634921 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1166634925 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's it mean? < 1166634933 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION needs to get an IME set up. XD
< 1166634934 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you're thinking of 小さい < 1166634944 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Small quantity, little, few. < 1166634949 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1166635018 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :God. < 1166635026 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're right. I'm horribly wrong. < 1166635062 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What IME do you recommend for GNu/Linux? < 1166635073 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and link, please) < 1166635077 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, 小さ（な） is also valid ... ;) < 1166635084 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinput2 out of Emacs, mule in Emacs. < 1166635097 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mule is incredibly, because it can switch encodings and everything. < 1166635100 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*incredible < 1166635102 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. . . It's an Emacs package. < 1166635110 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too bad I don't use Emacs for IRC. < 1166635116 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinput2 then. < 1166635127 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinput2 with canna as your dictionary. < 1166635129 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gnome. < 1166635152 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/nick 少し < 1166635153 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- 少し :Erroneous Nickname < 1166635153 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinput2 has nothing to do with KDE. < 1166635157 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1166635166 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Or any other WM for that matter. < 1166635167 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1166635182 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No installation candidate in my apt repository. :'( < 1166635192 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For kinput2?!?! < 1166635204 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Package kinput2 is not available, but is referred to by another package. < 1166635213 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1166635265 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: try apt-cache search kinput < 1166635275 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gives me 6 packages < 1166635281 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1166635283 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinput2-canna. < 1166635292 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There y'are. < 1166635401 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Installed. . . < 1166635408 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now to figure out how to get it working. < 1166635450 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Run ``kinput2 -canna &'' somewhere. < 1166635479 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you have to mess with some envars, like LC_ALL, IIRC. < 1166635493 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The hell? < 1166635500 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : $ zsh: command not found: kinput2 ~/gnash/server/asobj < 1166635529 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shrugs.
< 1166635533 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: use dpkg -L kinput2-canna to see which files it installed; look for the /usr/bin ones < 1166635546 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmmf. It's been a while since I've used apt. < 1166635559 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've gotten used to the Slackware way of things, I guess. < 1166635560 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/X11R6/bin/kinput2-canna < 1166635591 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There we go. < 1166635593 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd be it, try kinput2-canna < 1166635608 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now. . . < 1166635680 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION isn't getting anything
< 1166635708 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"When everything fails, it's time to read the manual" < 1166635709 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like I said, restart your X application with your modified envars. < 1166635717 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION does that
< 1166635756 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then you use Ctrl+Shift, IIRC, (dependant on package/version/whatever) to start the IME. < 1166635759 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Read the manual, I suggest. < 1166635887 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has discovered one simple reason. . .
< 1166635892 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNOME Terminal: locale not understood by C library, internationalization will not work < 1166635952 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try (as root) dpkg-reconfigure locales < 1166635975 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION waits on gNewSense's dpkg
< 1166636171 0 :tgwizard!n=tgwizard@c-923fe155.178-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1166637627 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNOME Terminal: locale not understood by C library, internationalization will not work < 1166637632 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grr. < 1166637697 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION laughs
< 1166637718 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmnt_bot: YUR MEEN < 1166637754 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The lisp version isn't looking too clean < 1166637828 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm writing netio.plof :) < 1166637840 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could (at some point) write a Plof version :) < 1166637862 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun < 1166637885 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION should start learning Plof sometime
< 1166637901 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe make a simple method of accessing C++ classes from Plof. < 1166638022 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plof is capable of accessing C via dlopen and friends. < 1166638026 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1166638034 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So accessing C++ would likely involve making a C wrapper. < 1166638038 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or however one chose to do it :P < 1166638061 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to find the Plof website
< 1166638068 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.codu.org/plof/ < 1166638078 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want a binary of dplof I'll make one for you (presuming you don't have GDC) < 1166638083 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GDC? < 1166638089 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The GCC D Compiler < 1166638089 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1166638154 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION should probably get GDC.
< 1166638242 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lisp makes my pinky hurt < 1166638246 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1166638272 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Are you supposed to use your pinky for parentheses or something? < 1166638285 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1166638287 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION learned Dvorak the homebrew way.
< 1166638302 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My middle finger goes on parentheses. < 1166638304 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably use my other pinky for shift < 1166638312 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need an idea for a project in Lisp, ya know. < 1166638335 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-W: Just hand me a binary. ;) < 1166638359 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: GNU/Linux + x86 I suppose? < 1166638368 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blah. Time to write an HTTP parser :( < 1166638379 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And client. A very limited client, though. < 1166638440 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1166638448 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might just pick up the Digital Mars compiler. . . < 1166638450 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-W: Yeah. < 1166638458 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nooo, no dmd + GNU/Linux X_X < 1166638464 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DMD + GNU/Linux = painful horribletude. < 1166638475 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gets the GCC source, then.
< 1166638483 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.codu.org/plof/dplof-x86-gnuWlinux-2006-12-19-2 < 1166638485 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er < 1166638488 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.codu.org/plof/dplof-x86-gnuWlinux-2006-12-19-2.tar.gz < 1166638491 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guh. But GCC is a pain in the *arse* to compile. < 1166638494 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And http://www.codu.org/gdc-nightly/ if you want it. < 1166638504 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi: Yes, but I know how to build GCC. < 1166638517 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it takes ages. < 1166638518 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GCC isn't so bad, all things considered. < 1166638524 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, time-wise :) < 1166638533 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. I'll bet it takes less time than Firefox2. < 1166638549 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi: I can say for a fact that it does. < 1166638556 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Having compiled both of them on several platforms. < 1166638558 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Binary works. < 1166638560 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1166638567 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My desktop does Gentoo. < 1166638575 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that it's time-consuming. < 1166638578 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slackware here. < 1166638578 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grar < 1166638580 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The slot SOCKET is unbound in the object #. < 1166638594 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION laughs at bsmntbombdood's pain.
< 1166638595 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should actually learn clos before I do this < 1166638666 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, time to go run around in the snow < 1166638666 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well uh... bind the slot then? < 1166638901 0 :oklopol!n=villsalo@194.251.102.88 JOIN :#esoteric < 1166638901 0 :okokoko!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1166639199 0 :ore2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Count twice to ten. < 1166639221 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 < 1166639223 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 < 1166639399 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1166639420 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error: Twice is not a valid range bound. < 1166639671 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERROR: This programmer accepts Brainfuck code only. < 1166639690 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERROR: Too many errors < 1166639725 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERROR: Not enough errors. < 1166640366 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Presumably you got the dplof binary working? :P < 1166640421 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-W: Yeah. < 1166640430 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Going to work on GDC later. < 1166640438 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(when I feel like it ;)) < 1166640453 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You did see my link to the GDC nightly-build binaries, right? < 1166640489 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1166640511 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" And http://www.codu.org/gdc-nightly/ if you want it." < 1166640584 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems that Plof has sufficient capabilities to allow for a good deal of useful programming. . . < 1166640592 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's getting there. < 1166640594 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, say, a GTK binding. < 1166640600 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd be fairly easy. < 1166640604 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1166640613 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume more features would be nice, though. < 1166640615 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to make a "standard" Plof GUI interface. < 1166640660 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd work with GTK, Qt, and W32? < 1166640704 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, whatever anybody was willing to implement, I juts mean a set of objects with defined interfaces that could have different backends implemented, so you could just use pui.whatever and it would work on every platform. < 1166640710 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like wx is to C++ < 1166640735 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1166640736 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I could more easily just answer "yes" :P < 1166640741 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1166640777 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders what the hell else(); does
< 1166640804 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's ... else. < 1166640816 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if(condition, {foo;}); else({bar}); < 1166640839 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or do you mean how it actually works? < 1166640895 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How the hell do you have an else call without an if call? < 1166640901 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(netio.plof) < 1166640923 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, it's against version() < 1166640944 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't if(version(), {foo;}); make more sense? < 1166640955 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... >_> < 1166640957 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1166640965 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<_< < 1166640972 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To the degree that I think I'll make that change right now. < 1166640984 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And why the hell is else a seperate function? < 1166641005 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are only functions and objects, conditions are not language intrinsics. < 1166641024 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In most functional languages I've seen, 'else' is done via something like, say, another set of arguments to 'if'. < 1166641029 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like in Tcl: < 1166641045 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One doesn't do: if {foo} {bar};else {baz} < 1166641062 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"if {foo} {bar} else {baz}" is how it's called. . . < 1166641068 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With just the function 'if'. < 1166641084 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, the reason I didn't do it that way is that there wouldn't be a word "else", but I think that that could be repaired... < 1166641093 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION considers more sane methods.
< 1166641099 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you. < 1166641112 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything else, I'm loving. < 1166641125 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would you argue: if(condition, {blah}, elsif, condition, {blah}, else, {blah}) < 1166641142 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note the comma after elsif and else) < 1166641149 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1166641159 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, that sort of *does* look weird in Plof. < 1166641173 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1166641179 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's hard to fit something like you're showing in that would not break my core rule of minimal constructs. < 1166641190 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1166641358 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.ca/286512 < 1166641415 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks pretty C-like except for the commas :P < 1166641629 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Opinions?) < 1166642276 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is "if" a function? < 1166642299 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1166642330 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arguments are evaluated lazily? < 1166642473 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An excellent point. < 1166642484 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The answer to which is "not unless I made them functions" < 1166642495 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which I should to make it consistent with while anyway. < 1166642551 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.ca/286527 < 1166642865 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the idea of statements being also expressions (unlike C) < 1166643575 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since nobody's vehemently against it, I'm doing it the way pasted. < 1166644955 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Excess Flood < 1166644965 0 :oklopol!n=villsalo@194.251.102.88 JOIN :#esoteric < 1166645038 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, are functions first-class datatypes? < 1166645131 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-W: Do it like lisp < 1166645149 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if(condition, {true code}, {false code}) < 1166645182 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, a more general structure, like Lisp's cond. < 1166645211 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cond( {condition, true code, false code} { ... } {default, code} ) < 1166645978 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1166646030 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi: Yes, functions are first-class data types, Plof is intended to be a hybrid of functional and imperative. < 1166646058 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: I did it like that before, but it was confusing since the only thing separating the if-true block and the if-false block was a comma. < 1166646086 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Works fine for lisp < 1166646087 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hooray. < 1166646094 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: Yeah, but lisp is terrible. < 1166646102 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's a lisp hater. < 1166646107 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^ < 1166646113 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1166646119 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1166646129 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works in Lisp because of the way the parentheses work. < 1166646151 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if pred expr1 expr2) < 1166646153 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The basic syntactic structure of Plof and lisp are too different to compare. eg, exactly what Sukoshi just said. < 1166646182 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember that if you want a block in IF, you have to use PROGN (or BEGIN in Scheme). < 1166646235 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION darcs-record's the new syntax.
< 1166646251 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. Darcs is a **** on Solaris, I hear. < 1166646261 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A friend of mine is trying unsuccessfully to setup revision control systems. < 1166646261 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darcs isn't so great anywhere X-P < 1166646279 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could have something like: (defun meh () (if 3 4 5)) in CL which would always return 4. < 1166646281 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But to host a darcs repository takes about zero effort, so I went with darcs ;) < 1166646303 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually prefer centralized SCM to decentralized SCM. < 1166646315 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like what decentralized offers. < 1166646324 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially now that I've come up with a dead project maintainer. < 1166646343 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Literally dead or inactive? < 1166646356 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inactive ;D < 1166646367 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inactive is a slightly more curable case :) < 1166646369 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I lie. He just came back to life yesterday. < 1166646384 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :....Which is a little late, since I've already made some really big patches. < 1166646653 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sbcl takes a long time to compile < 1166646670 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. Which is why you don't. < 1166646677 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It takes more RAM to compile than this box has. < 1166646695 0 :ore2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de" < 1166646701 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gentoo box :/ < 1166646739 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1166647090 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Unlike (most of) the other P-languages, Plof attempts to be usable as a functional programming language" < 1166647108 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python is pretty usable as a functional language < 1166647290 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence "(most of)" < 1166647346 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1166647751 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even then, I don't think functions are first-class data types in Python. < 1166647763 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah they are < 1166647794 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Cool. < 1166647811 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well maybe not, I'm not quite sure what that means < 1166647835 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do everything with a function that you can do with every other data type. < 1166647841 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like integers, characters, etc. < 1166647872 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In most cases, passing functions as arguments is a big step in that direction. < 1166648062 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host81-158-88-90.range81-158.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1166648079 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then yes < 1166648413 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But by that definition, functions are first-class data types in C < 1166648439 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not a definition you jackass X_X < 1166648458 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANYway, functions are first-class data types in C. < 1166648468 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there's more to functional programming than functions being first-class data types. < 1166648474 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1166648512 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are? I mean, you can pass them around, but it's really rather awkward < 1166648529 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't call it awkward < 1166648535 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can, and the only thing that's awkward is the syntax. < 1166648542 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, + they are. < 1166648589 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can functionally program in c < 1166648633 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Functional programming also requires things like nested functions, < 1166648637 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :function currying, < 1166648653 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, can't think of other off the top of my head. < 1166648656 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean by nested functions? < 1166648660 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just closures? < 1166648673 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you can implement closures in c < 1166648699 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Closures are a superset of nested functions. < 1166648713 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And while you can implement closures in C, it's a mild HUGE PAIN IN THE ASS :) < 1166648723 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still possible ;) < 1166648748 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given that C is Turing-complete, if you're going to be that lenient with your definition of "functional programming", C must by-definition of its being TC be functional. < 1166648787 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck can't be functional < 1166648801 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure it can. < 1166648813 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a huge pain in the ass, and requires about nine levels of abstraction, but it's possible. < 1166648829 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't have functions or jumps/gotos.... < 1166648833 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd have to make functions (possible), and then function arguments (possible), and then pointers. < 1166648838 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also possible) < 1166648846 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't have functions, and C doesn't have closures. < 1166648848 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? < 1166648877 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're going to say that C has closures, then BF without a shadow of a doubt has functions. < 1166648884 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm < 1166648937 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now you see my point about how C is not a functional language? :) < 1166648962 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose < 1166649007 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would you implement functions in a language without jmp though? < 1166649014 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See C2BF < 1166649164 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every "label" corresponds to a "bucket" in the beginning of the memory space. To perform a jump, you set a bucket to 1, then drop out of your loop. The whole program is in a big loop that reads all the buckets and goes to the code corresponding to the bucket which is set. < 1166649220 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does it go to the code? < 1166649242 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I not just explain that? < 1166649256 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1166649297 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every "label" (in code) corresponds to a "bucket" in the beginning of memory space. There is a loop in the code that reads in the buckets and goes to the code corresponding to the bucket which is set. < 1166649307 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1166649531 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION bashes his head into a wall.
< 1166650507 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(on average) < 1166650537 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fascinating. < 1166650560 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, oops < 1166650561 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deadly. < 1166650562 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if there is a database server anywhere that can provide sub-millisecond response times.
< 1166650565 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(on average) < 1166650593 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sub-millisecond? < 1166650601 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not very many milliseconds < 1166650606 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :undeed < 1166650722 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was an astonishingly content-free statement :p < 1166650757 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: respond with an error message most of the time. < 1166650767 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, rather, the smallest possible well-formed response. < 1166650775 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah < 1166650793 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SELECT * FROM bleh; -> ERROR("This is a fake database engine") < 1166650807 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would probably be an RST packet. < 1166650878 0 :ShadowHntr!i=sentinel@wikipedia/Shadowhntr JOIN :#esoteric < 1166650942 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah < 1166650965 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In case anybody's interested in Plof with the new changes, http://www.codu.org/plof/dplof-x86-gnuWlinux-2006-12-20.tar.gz < 1166650979 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm < 1166650983 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=thematri@222-152-189-181.jetstream.xtra.co.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1166650993 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :var A =[]; A:["main"] = {println("Hi\n");}; a = new(A); a:["main"](); < 1166651004 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would need a DB that fast to take the saying "A game is just a database with a pretty front-end." literally. < 1166651085 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: Uh, is that not working? 8-X < 1166651096 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't find a < 1166651096 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error: AssertError Failure plof/runtime.d(722) < 1166651104 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh: var a = new(A); < 1166651109 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not just a = new(A); < 1166651113 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to declare all variables. < 1166651119 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1166651132 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: Hah XD < 1166651160 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh cool < 1166651169 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can just do a.main(); < 1166651390 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION reads about Codethulhu on TDWTF.
< 1166651394 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XP < 1166651478 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y'know, that image is great for so many programming projects: http://img.thedailywtf.com/images/200612/Codethulhu.gif < 1166652110 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Bitte waehlen Sie eine Beerdigungnachricht" < 1166652192 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want a programming language that has cofactors and inhibitors and denaturing. < 1166652216 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the time I get back, I expect it to be all implemented and everything, okay? < 1166652219 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye. < 1166652292 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : cofactors and inhibitors and denaturing? < 1166652347 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Biology terms. < 1166652355 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To do with enzymes. < 1166652389 0 :ComputinChuck!n=nate@ip-211-68.north.oberlin.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1166652389 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect something like could be done if you fed a sed program to itself repeatedly. < 1166652432 0 :ComputinChuck!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is esoteric programming? < 1166652432 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :After all, enzyes basically work my pattern-matching and simple transformations, a bit like sed does. < 1166652450 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ComputinChuck: good question < 1166652454 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hinks
< 1166652471 0 :ComputinChuck!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i ran across something on it on the internet < 1166652476 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can tell you what an esotreic programming language is. < 1166652481 0 :ComputinChuck!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1166652516 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a programming languag that is weird or unusula most for the sake of being so, rather than for any practical reason. < 1166652546 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recommend checking out Brainfuck, INTERCAL, befunge, and Malbolge for some examples. < 1166652552 0 :ComputinChuck!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1166652560 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then take a look at some random languages from the wiki < 1166652584 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1166652727 0 :ComputinChuck!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Lost terminal" < 1166652758 0 :GregorR-W!n=gregor@jffwprtest.jf.intel.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1166652949 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm. Is there a more effecient way in parsing HTTP messages rather than doing a whole bunch of strncmp or memcmp? < 1166652981 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no more effiecient way to compare strings, no < 1166652999 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... I was wondering if there's some other commonly used method. < 1166653013 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If not, I'm a gonna hope Duff's Device is fast. < 1166653031 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you know its length is divisible by 4, you can do it larger blocks, but no matter what it's going to be O(n) < 1166653060 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. But Duff's Device is for copying, doh. < 1166653074 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lemme take a look at fnord's implementation of memcmp. < 1166653144 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. Pretty nifty. < 1166653152 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi: You could consider the message format to be a grammar of 1-character tokens and try to make a state-machine-based parser. < 1166653165 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I was thinking of doing that too. < 1166653167 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You would be able to write assembler quite directly. < 1166653173 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's a complex beast. < 1166653200 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heck, even in C, a parser like that is a total PAIN. < 1166653213 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty much. < 1166653227 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are these things called "parser generators", you know. < 1166653230 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uggh. Why couldn't HTTP use something sensible like opcodes? -_-'' < 1166653246 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: Mmmf. Would it produce something that effecient though? < 1166653250 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They give you th power of a LR parser with the simplicity of a predictive parser. < 1166653263 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay yacc < 1166653267 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you ever seen the code a parser generator generates? < 1166653273 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1166653278 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just tend to mistrust generated code. < 1166653280 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It consists mostly of gotos, IIRC < 1166653289 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is pretty ugly < 1166653291 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Cough* String to BF *cough* < 1166653296 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi: ah, so you are one of those assembley nuts? < 1166653300 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1166653313 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but this project is pretty high on the low-level side. < 1166653343 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ASM optimization is going to come at a later step, not now. For now, I think I'll use Fnord's usage of memcmp for inspiration. < 1166653352 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe do something similar to Duff's case bastardization. < 1166653464 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the object code that compilers output is "generated code". < 1166653480 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. True there. < 1166653512 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you treat all generated code like object code, you should be fine. < 1166653516 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, I don't know if parser generator code is effecient or not. < 1166653534 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.e. consider it nonportable and do not put it into source control. < 1166653541 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi: very efficient < 1166653555 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha. Good. < 1166653555 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Parser generators do not worry about readability. < 1166653560 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: What about portable generated code? I get a lot of strife for putting configure in SCM :) < 1166653565 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but generic < 1166653598 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-W: Putting generated code into source controll just adds pointless deltas and enourages people to edit it. < 1166653618 0 :FabioNET!i=500@217.201.37.76 JOIN :#esoteric < 1166653639 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMHO it makes life easier for developers who don't know/care about aclocal, autoconf, autoheader, libtoolize and automake. < 1166653646 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Parser generators create types of prsers that humans cannot sensibly create, like LR, LALR, etc. < 1166653662 0 :FabioNET!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1166653666 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'lo FabioNET < 1166653668 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I wanna see if this code is more effecient than parser generator code. < 1166653670 0 :FabioNET!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1166653679 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :God help me, I'm going to commit case hell. < 1166653707 0 :FabioNET!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :been programming with irp? < 1166653741 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seeing as that that's the only reason that about 60% of people come in here, I'm starting to regret I wrote that aticle XD < 1166653744 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*article < 1166653757 0 :FabioNET!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are Italian I do not speak well English excused the uneasiness. < 1166653765 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRP? < 1166653773 0 :FabioNET!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :internet relay programming < 1166653778 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi: allow me to demonstrate. < 1166653786 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi: http://www.esolangs.org/wiki/IRP < 1166653792 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say "hello world" < 1166653796 0 :FabioNET!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::9 < 1166653804 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello world < 1166653805 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello world < 1166653808 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tada! < 1166653809 0 :FabioNET!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihihihih < 1166653825 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So is *that* why all those people have been coming? < 1166653844 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least they don't make us infinite loop < 1166653844 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes X-P < 1166653847 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<-- his fault < 1166653851 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... or do they? < 1166653852 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol http://thedailywtf.com/forums/thread/106950.aspx < 1166653857 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought they wanted to prove us turing complete, I thought we were special ;-; < 1166653862 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah < 1166653905 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, i've tested IRP in some other channel, and got syntax error... :p < 1166653920 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1166653944 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is CS so bastardized? < 1166653959 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No way that part of a CS degree should be web design < 1166654017 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahahah < 1166654034 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're having trouble with HTML on your way to a CS degree, you need to reconsider your life choices XD < 1166654070 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That wasn't a student, it was the teacher < 1166654107 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_O < 1166654130 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is scared to go to college
< 1166654147 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I have teachers like that I'm going to die < 1166654152 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't had that experience - there's only one incompetent teacher I've had, and she wasn't THAT incompetent. < 1166654176 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And everybody loved her because she teaches mostly beginning-level courses and nobody at that level knows enough to know she's an idiot :( < 1166654213 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking about majoring in CS < 1166654227 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm actively in the process of majoring in CS. < 1166654245 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet < 1166654258 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Real CS or C++ and web design CS? < 1166654266 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1166654290 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Real CS, I just finished a computer security course and last year I took advanced agorithms and networking protocols. < 1166654292 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It pisses me off when people use CS to spice up the name of a programming class < 1166654310 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, programming != CS. < 1166654312 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anybody can program. < 1166654314 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our teacher came out with gems like "There's no M in \"Mrs Sharp\"" < 1166654325 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1166654330 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: ...?! < 1166654336 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Because we got bored and started making anagrams of her name) < 1166654353 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION will never again forget which way round vector multiplication goes: http://xkcd.com/
< 1166654371 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1166654372 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a total web programming incompetent :P < 1166654376 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@about/copyleft/user/bsmntbombdood JOIN :#esoteric < 1166654384 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love xkcd < 1166654403 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anything that depends on something like interface, user approachability, or aesthetic quality I fail at. < 1166654419 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he went through a boring phase of going on and on about his girlfriend. < 1166654424 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^former^ < 1166654458 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi: OTOH, I have a tendancy ot hack URLs. < 1166654475 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not awful at web programming *shrugs* < 1166654477 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I chop bits off, remove unneeded parameters, etc. < 1166654488 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still consider myself to firstly be an app programmer though. < 1166654601 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC, i have it too, and get angry when the hacking is impossible < 1166654643 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With Camping, I can stand we programming < 1166654645 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-W: What school? < 1166654654 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: no parse < 1166654665 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's try that again < 1166654689 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :web programming is bearable... provided I use the Camping web framework :) < 1166654689 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: Error: AssertError Failure plof/parser.d(122) < 1166654702 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh .d! < 1166654712 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :First time I've seen D used actually :) < 1166654719 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION pokes fun at GregorR-W's parser
< 1166654768 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1166654777 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see what went wrong. < 1166654783 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you did s/web/we/ < 1166654854 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woooot < 1166654861 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no school tomorow either!!!!! < 1166654885 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with university, you get that feeling far more often < 1166654891 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I skipped 2 weeks of lectures because I was busy dying with a fever! :) < 1166655310 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: Yes yes, my parser has no error messages, blahblah :P < 1166655323 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: pastebin some failing code? (or did you figure it out) < 1166655338 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was an old error message < 1166655776 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plof tokenizer in Plof 4tw :) < 1166655805 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(x){return(x);}(1) < 1166655807 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat < 1166655832 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a ridiculously cumbersom way to type "1" :P < 1166655839 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could also do (x){x}(1) < 1166655844 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\()->1 < 1166655877 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or (x){(x){(x){x}(x)}(x)}(1) < 1166656003 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1166656014 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant: id 1 < 1166656020 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or (\x->x)1 < 1166656036 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You and your ... whatever language that is. < 1166656086 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell < 1166656093 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\ is a lambda < 1166656170 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hashEsoteric@()=+{if({GregorR~.CheckStatus("BuildingPlofCompiler");}{GreaseMonkey~.Act("BuildTomatoCompiler")});}; < 1166656239 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only building an interpreter ATM. < 1166656303 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: Define "Tomato". < 1166656332 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and will one of you change your nick so that they don't have the forst 3 chars in common. < 1166656347 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My nick is my name. < 1166656348 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It irritates my tab-completion finger. < 1166656392 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently, some people do not have nick-completion in their client, and call me "Simon". < 1166656402 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[15:09] *NickServ* Nickname: GreaseMonkey << ONLINE >> < 1166656403 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[15:09] *NickServ* Registered: 6 weeks 2 days (18h 35m 33s) ago < 1166656405 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[15:09] *NickServ* Nickname: GregorR-W < 1166656406 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[15:09] *NickServ* Registered: 35 weeks (5h 5m 11s) ago < 1166656408 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I win :P < 1166656410 0 :FabioNET!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Buon natale ocn la passera" < 1166656414 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's with my non-primary nick ;) < 1166656440 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1166656596 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tomato is a programming language under development which looks slightly similar to C and supports self-modifying code. < 1166656618 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and me=thematrixeatsyou < 1166656638 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i crashed your bot properly a few times. < 1166656663 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_o)O!"You're mean :("(_o)o.?]} < 1166656666 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're mean :( < 1166656707 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!funge93 0"D: wonk I">:#,_@ < 1166656712 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know :D < 1166656726 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, it was accidental and a pain in the ass < 1166656726 0 :bsmnt_bot!n=bsmnt@abacus.kwzs.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1166656735 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did it deliberately a few times tho' < 1166656736 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer "D: wonk I" < 1166656754 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crash me! < 1166656772 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do I call help on ur bot? < 1166656777 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't < 1166656785 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what cmds does your bot have? < 1166656790 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not many < 1166656804 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he has !raw, !exec, !quit, !ctcp < 1166656819 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-W: But not !say < 1166656832 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ctcp #esoteric PING < 1166656836 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1166656838 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor CTCP :P < 1166656841 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!raw PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works < 1166656851 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: Only I get !raw < 1166656852 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, it doesn't < 1166656854 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TO WORK, OR NOT TO WORK? That is the question. < 1166656858 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!raw PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works < 1166656858 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works < 1166656871 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ctcp #esoteric ACTION is randy < 1166656871 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is randy
< 1166656874 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1166656879 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ctcp #esoteric ACTION roflcopters? < 1166656880 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION roflcopters?
< 1166656880 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1166656882 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1166656887 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ctcp #esoteric PING < 1166656890 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1166656899 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you disabled that DDOS then :P < 1166656902 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec self.register_raw(".*dude.*", lambda x : bot.raw("PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet")) < 1166656902 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet < 1166656904 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1166656911 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-W: no < 1166656919 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude < 1166656920 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet < 1166656929 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then dude, why isn't it working? < 1166656929 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet < 1166656936 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is < 1166656942 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not getting pings ...? < 1166656964 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmnt_bot is getting replys... < 1166656978 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH! Well in that case: Hey everybody, let's DDoS the bot! < 1166656990 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Repeat as desired: /msg bsmnt_bot !ctcp #esoteric PING < 1166656996 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :daemon ctcp bf8 +.[,--------------------------------]+,----------[++++++++++.,----------]+.+++++++++. < 1166657002 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo < 1166657015 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ctcp #esoteric ACTION is funky < 1166657015 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is funky
< 1166657018 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1166657023 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!daemon ctcp bf8 +.[,--------------------------------]+,----------[++++++++++.,----------]+.+++++++++. < 1166657027 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ctcp #esoteric ACTION is funky < 1166657027 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is funky
< 1166657028 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec for i in self.raw_regex_queue: i[1] != self.do_ctcp or self.raw_regex_queue.remove(i) < 1166657030 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is funky
< 1166657032 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1166657033 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES! < 1166657036 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no more ctcp ;) < 1166657038 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yag! < 1166657053 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ctcp #esoteric PING < 1166657068 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks back at this window and wibbles
< 1166657069 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1166657071 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: the !exec I just ran removed the !ctcp command < 1166657075 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the bork. < 1166657076 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1166657084 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what script is that? < 1166657091 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One I hacked up < 1166657167 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like this daemon: < 1166657168 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :daemon ctcp bf8 [[-]+.[,--------------------------------]+,----------[++++++++++.,----------]+.+++++++++.] < 1166657184 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who can exec then? < 1166657197 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec self.register_raw(r"^:bsmntbombdood!\S*gavin@\S* PRIVMSG \S* :!ctcp", self.do_ctcp) < 1166657219 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: Anyone matching the regex "^:bsmntbombdood!\S*gavin@\S* PRIVMSG \S* :!exec" < 1166657234 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ctcp #biz ACTION tests < 1166657247 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O.o < 1166657247 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, wtf is #biz? < 1166657260 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1166657266 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooops < 1166657270 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ctcp #esoteric ACTION tests < 1166657277 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ctcp #esoteric ACTION tests < 1166657277 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tests
< 1166657279 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there < 1166657324 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only i can do !ctcp now ;) < 1166657341 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: do you know of any good networking tuts for linux? < 1166657355 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ctcp #esoteric ACTION orly? < 1166657357 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :socket(2) < 1166657381 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the man page? < 1166657385 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1166657407 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.com/?q=linux+sockets < 1166657437 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.com/search?q=linux+sockets < 1166657489 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the ones on that page might be a little more friendly ;) < 1166657532 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah < 1166657537 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec self.register_raw( ".*!%s" % "rtfm", lambda x : bot.raw("PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude, go rtfm")) < 1166657537 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet < 1166657540 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!rtfm < 1166657540 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude, go rtfm < 1166657547 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1166657573 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!rtfm < 1166657573 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude, go rtfm < 1166657582 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i reckon that shud b a public one < 1166657599 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm? < 1166657610 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :man 7 socket is a HORRIBLE reference for networking XD < 1166657613 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to know a good one ... < 1166657614 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But ... < 1166657618 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err, now I just use man 7 socket < 1166657639 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what's man 2 socket like compared with man 7 socket? < 1166657654 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :man 7 socket is information on socket programming in general, man 2 socket is the socket() function. < 1166657662 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1166657966 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1166658012 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm bored < 1166658077 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION licks bsmntbombdood
< 1166658117 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a truely intelligent bot relies on emotions < 1166658149 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION feels a great love for GreaseMonkey
< 1166658231 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it learns: "If I do this, I will feel that." < 1166658247 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(struct Emotion)that; < 1166658248 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A truly intelligent bot has a terrible pain in all the diodes down his left side < 1166658253 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not (struct Object)that; < 1166658329 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the simplest emotion is like/dislike < 1166658340 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has to like and dislike things < 1166658379 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, if you're guiding a bot around, it does not like idling as it does not achieve anything, so it will do something. < 1166658399 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec self.register_raw(".*!%s .*" % "join", lambda x : bot.raw("JOIN %s" % x.split("!%s " % "join")[-1])) < 1166658412 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it has a ! join command < 1166658433 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!join me in death < 1166658434 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :building a system to elicit "mood shifts" based on keywords and users tied to an emotional context doesn't seem like it should be that hard < 1166658456 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but could need very large database < 1166658469 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll accumulate a massive database < 1166658476 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1166658487 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would need to parse english though... < 1166658498 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could learn < 1166658500 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :theorically, large database could cover most of problem; only remaining problem is how to construct the database < 1166658505 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then try to communicate < 1166658519 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Chatzilla 0.9.75 [IceWeasel 1.0.1b2] (kidding!)" < 1166658523 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then it would check if it communicated or not, feeling either good or bad < 1166658550 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other issue is that 'common sense' is a prerequisite for advanced intelligence, which means the machine needs a vast backlog of cultural knowledge and the like < 1166658625 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd probably get the best possible results by building a forwards-compatible database engine that you can retain throughout improvements in the rest of the system, so that you aren't wasting any learning time < 1166658732 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the main thing is that the majority of the information you need isn't information itself, it's the interconnections between pieces of information- massive cross-indexing of everything in relation to everything else < 1166658756 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, moods are but abstractions mainly, so a learning system need not have them hard-coded < 1166658761 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo < 1166658924 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :generally it is a good idea < 1166658971 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you think about how the brain functions on a systemic level, you can strip off a large portion of it's high-level operations as a series of "services", like "internal monologue", "mind's eye", and so on. At the core, you have "consciousness"- the tricky part. I figure it most likely breaks down into pattern recognition, learning, predictive analysis, and planning capabilities that set goals and pursue the steps necessary to ca < 1166658974 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that works < 1166659033 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf61f7.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166659111 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as the assumption that the way these pieces of functionality are integrated is more important than the precise contents of these "black boxes" is true, I can't stand anything standing in the way of eventual development of AI on par with human abilities < 1166659134 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*can't see anything < 1166659141 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me neither < 1166659159 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, proccessing power may be a problem < 1166659232 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC, it's been shown that DNA is no more than Turing-complete. Working under the presumption that a TC language cannot describe an implementation of a higher-than-TC language, the brain cannot be more complicated than TC. < 1166659263 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the bigger problem lies in the huge differences between how the brain and computers work- computers are still largely single-threaded and hardware can't reconfigure itself to a great extent. Brains are massively parallel and can rewire themselves constantly < 1166659269 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore, it should be possible with appropriate resources to precisely duplicate the capacity of a human brain in a computer. < 1166659278 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, absolutely < 1166659280 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: ANN < 1166659295 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-W: And a ton of leetness < 1166659308 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That too ;) < 1166659343 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a TON of leetness < 1166659353 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a TONNE as well < 1166659370 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HUGE AMOUNTS < 1166659384 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like I have ;) < 1166659390 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A METRIC FUCKTON OF LEETNESS < 1166659400 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe http://xkcd.com/c69.html < 1166659432 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1166659464 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess my point is, although it's probably possible to emulate a brain with computers how they are today, the structure of the brain indicates that it probably isn't a very efficient way to pull this off. We need either different computers (NN accelerator chips? New CPU architectures?) or shitloads more power than the real chunk of meat < 1166659504 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hardware ANN < 1166659520 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: Agreed. < 1166659523 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A sepperate mini proccessor for each neuron < 1166659550 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be the most direct way. < 1166659563 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, if we ever get the functionality of a brain running with the reliability of modern computer hardware, we'll have something pretty amazing on our hands < 1166659580 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1166659592 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it be the size of the computers of yore < 1166659599 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe: http://www.explosm.net/comics/754/ < 1166659642 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd be intense < 1166659646 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :silicon circuitry is orders of magnitude more dependable than a pile of proteins bumping into each other, but it's sure as hell more complicated to build at the same density < 1166659692 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.explosm.net/comics/758/ < 1166659714 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol- nice comic < 1166659746 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoever made sugar-free caffeinated soda had a fundamental misunderstanding of the difference between "tired" and "low on energy" < 1166659761 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1166659788 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.explosm.net/comics/750/ < 1166659804 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.explosm.net/comics/748/ < 1166659819 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1166659834 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you could just make the soda contain some drugs that altered the functioning of your thyroid gland- same blood sugar increase. < 1166659871 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.explosm.net/comics/745/ < 1166659906 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.explosm.net/comics/743/ < 1166659963 0 :ihope_!n=foo@c-71-205-100-59.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166660029 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.explosm.net/comics/740/ < 1166660046 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1166660063 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.explosm.net/comics/41/ < 1166660083 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My enzyme language is all nice and implemented now, right? < 1166660096 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it have DNA and everything? < 1166660117 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, chemical programming? have you heard of the gamma calculus? < 1166660134 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh http://www.gamegarage.co.uk/cartoons/super-mario-blitz/play/ < 1166660140 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psychadelic! < 1166660142 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes
< 1166660317 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, that's a sweet ass-car < 1166660318 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: fascinating < 1166660350 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone else reading xkcd, i see < 1166660391 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course < 1166660394 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never thought mario could be trippier. I was a fool. < 1166660470 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.explosm.net/comics/95/ < 1166660649 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gamma calculus? Can't say I've heard of it, no. < 1166660947 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's programming with bags of "molecules" < 1166660968 0 :CakeProphet!n=CakeProp@h124.238.213.151.ip.alltel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166660987 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like Fractran or whatever that language is called, I take it. < 1166661160 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except, if i remember correctly, that the rules themselves are molecules, used up in the reaction; there is no ordering but you can wrap up molecules in subbags to prevent them from reacting < 1166661172 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1166661234 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is bored... and fed up with current databases.
< 1166661252 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh I know! I'll make my own database layout. < 1166661261 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's like... killing two birds with one stone. < 1166661320 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you consider the work, it could be more like killing one bird with two stones :) < 1166661328 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION finds concepts universal to all programming languages... and finds a way to organize it into a readable language.
< 1166661343 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More like killing no birds with a handgun you have to build from stone and twigs. < 1166661358 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No no... I will kill the boredom bird regardless. < 1166661373 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate databases at the moment... so this'll be my angsty revenge against them. < 1166661400 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inventing shit is fun... using other peoples invented shit isn't. < 1166661411 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1166661455 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :N(length:integer) <--number < 1166661461 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoo! completed that part. < 1166661497 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmnt_bot probably isn't very fast < 1166661502 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any other info that might be handy for certain programming languages to know before they attempt to convert that into a native data type? < 1166661553 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec for i in range(1000): self.register_raw(str(i), lambda x : False) < 1166661576 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, the original gamma calculus was not quite as advanced as i said < 1166661578 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> Python? < 1166661599 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec self.raw_regex.queue.reverse() < 1166661600 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1166661604 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1166661617 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha... you put in access to python's exec statement. < 1166661631 0 :bsmnt_bot!n=bsmnt@abacus.kwzs.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1166661645 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec for i in range(5000): self.register_raw(str(i), lambda x : False) < 1166661649 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Of course < 1166661656 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Makes it extensible at runtime < 1166661666 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :S(encoding-string:length:sequence-of-character-ordinals-separated-by-commas) <--symbol ...what other info would you include? < 1166661670 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec print len(self.raw_regex_queue) < 1166661687 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec for i in range(10000): self.register_raw(str(i), lambda x : False) < 1166661689 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec print len(self.raw_regex_queue) < 1166661702 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec self.raw_regex_queue.reverse() < 1166661712 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm... you could change sys.stdout to the socket you're writing too. < 1166661717 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!raw PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1166661717 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1166661722 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Yeah, I could < 1166661731 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno why you would... < 1166661733 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but. < 1166661735 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...you could. < 1166661779 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1166661784 0 :bsmnt_bot!n=bsmnt@abacus.kwzs.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1166661804 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec print len(self.raw_regex_queue) < 1166661819 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec sys.stdout.write(len(self.raw_regex_queue)) < 1166661819 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1166661836 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the gamma_0 calculus seems like what i was thinking of, combining the principles of gamma and lambda: http://www.irisa.fr/paris/Biblio/Papers/Banatre/BanFraRad04RULE.pdf < 1166661866 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm... L(size|mutability|comma-separated-list-of-sequence-items) <- list whooooo... this is fun. < 1166661872 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Way more fun than actually using a database. < 1166661877 0 :bsmnt_bot!n=bsmnt@abacus.kwzs.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1166661886 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec sys.stdout.write(len(self.raw_regex_queue)) < 1166661887 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1166661919 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XML looks promising for databases... < 1166661920 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun fun FUN... < 1166661926 0 :bsmnt_bot!n=bsmnt@abacus.kwzs.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1166661928 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec sys.stdout.write(len(self.raw_regex_queue)) < 1166661933 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1166661945 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's... verboose... but very good at representing pretty much any data type. < 1166661955 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec sys.stdout.write("PRIVMSG #esoteric :" + str(len(self.raw_regex_queue))) < 1166661974 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm < 1166662043 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec print "foo" < 1166662073 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1166662076 0 :bsmnt_bot!n=bsmnt@abacus.kwzs.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1166662080 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec print "foo" < 1166662089 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh whatever < 1166662137 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you set sys.stdout to the socket? < 1166662145 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1166662165 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... can't remember if sockets use the write function or not. < 1166662166 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be send. < 1166662171 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is < 1166662175 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1166662177 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there is a file interface wrapper < 1166662212 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :class MySocket(socket.socket): def write(self, *args): self.send(*args) < 1166662227 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :socket.makefile() < 1166662233 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1166662245 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which I was using anyway, because it line buffers for me < 1166662285 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has too many projects.
< 1166662309 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec self.register_raw(".*dude.*", lambda x : bot.raw("PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet")) < 1166662309 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet < 1166662313 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude < 1166662314 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet < 1166662317 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1166662335 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it do brainfuck? :D < 1166662338 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :networking interface, database protocol, a text-based RPG codebase, a-random-assortment-of-very-abstract-and-general-tools. < 1166662340 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1166662343 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1166662351 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every bot should do brainfuck :DD < 1166662357 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :write a brainfuck interpreter in a single lambda < 1166662362 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it will do brainfuck < 1166662364 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha :D < 1166662367 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :....I tried once. < 1166662374 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should sleep.... < 1166662377 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I remember < 1166662380 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i could try < 1166662398 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be possible in Python if Python assignment was an expression. < 1166662418 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least... easier to do. < 1166662480 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a.split("") is illegal? how to parse a string to a list of letters? :DD then i might be able to carry on :) < 1166662489 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BF in BF has been done before :D < 1166662513 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :list(string) < 1166662517 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did it without loops :DD < 1166662524 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh thans < 1166662525 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*k < 1166662540 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION feels knowledgable.
< 1166662580 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha i can't do an assignment in a lambda? :D or is there a way? < 1166662625 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh... not really... < 1166662632 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Python... assignment is a statement. < 1166662634 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for good reasons. < 1166662644 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i disagree, but see your point < 1166662648 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods.
< 1166662652 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I disagree with myself too. < 1166662655 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but also see my point. < 1166662656 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha :D < 1166662659 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric < 1166662663 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1166662670 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see the benefits of statement... and the benefits of expression. < 1166662695 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could compromise with a "assign and return" statement... so that = doesn't return a value. < 1166662702 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus preventing clumsy mishaps. < 1166662714 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|= or something < 1166662733 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k now that i've played around a bit with the idea, it starts to seems pretty hard :DD < 1166662738 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bf in lambda thing < 1166662740 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is. < 1166662756 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can do most everything except [ and ] < 1166662773 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1166662926 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you tried using y combinators for recursion? < 1166662949 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...what's that? < 1166662984 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y (f) = f (y (f)) < 1166662999 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.... < 1166663001 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would work nicely. < 1166663029 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it might use up the python stack < 1166663039 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1166663042 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :recursion. < 1166663090 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude < 1166663091 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet < 1166663094 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude < 1166663095 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet < 1166663100 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmmmmmmmmmmmdude < 1166663101 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet < 1166663109 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahahahdudehahahahahahahahahdudedude < 1166663109 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet < 1166663123 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the regex is ".*dude.*" < 1166663123 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet < 1166663129 0 :wooby!n=alan@cpe-66-67-60-51.rochester.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1166663149 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a regex of "dude" would work fine... depending on what you're doing. < 1166663149 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet < 1166663149 0 :oerjan_!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1166663158 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe yeah probably < 1166663172 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You would use ^dude to state explicitly at the beginning < 1166663172 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet < 1166663185 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahoy < 1166663190 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmmm < 1166663191 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, it matches the regex on the whole line from the irc server < 1166663192 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heya < 1166663201 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::CakeProphet!n=CakeProp@h124.238.213.151.ip.alltel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heya < 1166663208 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is what the regex sees < 1166663208 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah... you're not in line mode. < 1166663213 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er. < 1166663215 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather < 1166663216 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1166663217 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1166663222 0 :oerjan_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :oerjan < 1166663244 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"^:.*:dude" would match at the beggining of a line < 1166663244 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet < 1166663261 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1166663277 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would use non=greedy * < 1166663279 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"^:[^:]*:dude" < 1166663279 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet < 1166663290 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That wouldn't match. < 1166663297 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec self.raw_regex_queue.pop() < 1166663326 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you using twisted? or just good ol' select and socket? < 1166663330 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec self.register_raw("^:[^:]*:dude", lambda x : bot.raw("PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet")) < 1166663336 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither < 1166663337 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't need select < 1166663339 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude < 1166663339 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet < 1166663344 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asdf dude < 1166663347 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see < 1166663355 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> What did you use? < 1166663362 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just recv? < 1166663369 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bsmntbombdood.mooo.com/ircbot.py < 1166663370 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1166663388 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.. oh yeah < 1166663404 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :select is only for when you have multiple sockets. < 1166663442 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec self.raw_regex_queue.pop() < 1166663450 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec self.register_raw("dude", lambda x : bot.raw("PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet")) < 1166663453 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude < 1166663459 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1166663461 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec self.raw_regex_queue.pop() < 1166663469 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec self.register_raw(".*dude.*", lambda x : bot.raw("PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet")) < 1166663469 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet < 1166663472 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude < 1166663473 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet < 1166663477 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pwnt < 1166663494 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1166663511 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you were using findall or something < 1166663522 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comparing any subsection of the string to the regex < 1166663524 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude would work. < 1166663524 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet < 1166663532 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm not < 1166663544 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i[0].match(message): < 1166663551 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods.
< 1166663581 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could use grouping to map sections of the regex to a function call. < 1166663600 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you want to match dude only at the beginning? < 1166663600 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet < 1166663606 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec self.register_raw(".*!%s.*" % "killme", lambda x : True) < 1166663610 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I don't < 1166663621 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now anyone can kill the bot < 1166663624 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then, what is wrong with it? < 1166663629 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing < 1166663729 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you save the register to something? < 1166663760 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1166663767 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you persist it.. < 1166663772 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What register? < 1166663773 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that the regexes stay in it. < 1166663781 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :across restarts? < 1166663781 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1166663784 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the regex_looker_thing < 1166663811 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :self.raw_regex_queue? < 1166663870 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!killme < 1166663870 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1166663876 0 :bsmnt_bot!n=bsmnt@abacus.kwzs.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1166663880 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!killme < 1166663883 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see < 1166663964 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec self.register_raw(r".*?!dice.*, lambda x: bot.raw(__import__("random").randint(1,6)) ) < 1166663972 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!dice < 1166663976 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1166663991 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only I can exec < 1166663995 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!raw PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bling bling < 1166664004 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only he can !raw < 1166664005 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :poopy < 1166664006 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmh. < 1166664010 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/m/M/ < 1166664026 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec self.register_raw(r".*?!dice.*, lambda x: bot.raw("PRIVMSG #esoteric :%s" % __import__("random").randint(1,6)) ) < 1166664027 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1166664030 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woot! < 1166664032 0 :bsmnt_bot!n=bsmnt@abacus.kwzs.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1166664041 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really need to catch exceptions there < 1166664043 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1166664045 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec self.register_raw(r".*?!dice.*", lambda x: bot.raw("PRIVMSG #esoteric :%s" % __import__("random").randint(1,6)) ) < 1166664045 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 < 1166664047 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good idea. < 1166664051 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?!dice < 1166664051 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 < 1166664052 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?!dice < 1166664052 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1166664053 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?!dice < 1166664054 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 < 1166664054 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?!dice < 1166664055 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 < 1166664057 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1166664060 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?!dice < 1166664060 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 < 1166664068 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 < 1166664071 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 < 1166664078 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's something of a hack... since it imports random -each- time :D < 1166664087 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay. < 1166664093 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1166664095 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can I catch an exception but still put a trackback on stderr? < 1166664109 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have the exception handler trackback it? < 1166664113 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 < 1166664124 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope_: duuhh < 1166664145 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood, except Exception: traceback.print_exc() < 1166664159 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!quit < 1166664159 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1166664161 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :need to import traceback of course. < 1166664197 0 :bsmnt_bot!n=bsmnt@abacus.kwzs.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1166664207 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec print "synstax error' < 1166664209 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pfft... lemme use exec. I promise I won't delete your OS. < 1166664213 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay! < 1166664227 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SyntaxError: EOL while scanning single-quoted string < 1166664259 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it'll still close on SystemExit and KeyboardInterrupt < 1166664265 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they don't inherit from Exception. < 1166664302 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: how do you delete an OS in Python? < 1166664310 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, why chroot traps? < 1166664320 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is *everything* a file? < 1166664335 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :import os; os.unlink("/") < 1166664337 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I'm not mistaken < 1166664354 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might be wrong... I'm not willing to test it. < 1166664356 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1166664474 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, you can use !exec now CakeProphet < 1166664525 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course bsmnt_bot is running under a restricted user... < 1166664547 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's root < 1166664549 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not really) < 1166664577 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1166664579 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION urges !exec on CakeProphet
< 1166664692 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :come on! < 1166664768 0 :wooby!n=alan@cpe-66-67-60-51.rochester.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1166664771 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wooby! < 1166664784 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds dirty. < 1166664793 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec self.register_raw(r"^[^.]*!spam .*?, lambda x:bot.raw( int(x.split("!")[1:].split()[1]) * " ".split(x.split("!")[1:].split()[2:]))) < 1166664794 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just kidding < 1166664816 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1166664862 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet !exec < 1166664862 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just kidding < 1166664866 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION feels clever
< 1166664876 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh oh, the !exec is... hmm. < 1166664882 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. < 1166664894 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec is only weird for CakeProphet. < 1166664898 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec self.register_raw(r"^[^.]*!spam .*?, lambda x:bot.raw( int(x.split("!")[1:].split()[1]) * " ".split(x.split("!")[1:].split()[2:]))) < 1166664906 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha ha syntax error < 1166664918 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec self.register_raw(r"^[^.]*!spam .*?", lambda x:bot.raw( int(x.split("!")[1:].split()[1]) * " ".split(x.split("!")[1:].split()[2:]))) < 1166664924 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!spam 10 < 1166664924 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1166664928 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip72-200-73-175.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166664929 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O.o < 1166664932 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahoyo < 1166664932 0 :bsmnt_bot!n=bsmnt@abacus.kwzs.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1166664941 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really, calamari's an odd name for a bot. < 1166664946 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that some squid stuff? < 1166664950 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya < 1166664956 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :....oh ho... crashed it. < 1166664958 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ;) < 1166664959 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is awesome.
< 1166664986 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't catch exceptions when executing the callbacks, only when registering them < 1166665042 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1166665086 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python's scope for lambdas is weird :/ < 1166665122 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec for num in xrange(10000000): bot.raw("PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol") < 1166665138 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec for num in xrange(2): bot.raw("PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol") < 1166665138 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1166665138 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1166665143 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1166665336 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm... it feels good spamming efficiently. < 1166665354 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec for num in xrange(6): bot.raw("PRIVMSG CakeProphet :lol") < 1166665359 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spamming efficiently? < 1166665360 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :urgh < 1166665373 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Write it in C! < 1166665378 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's some good ol' C-compiled iteration for ya < 1166665383 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xrange is in C < 1166665384 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec for num in xrange(6): bot.raw("PRIVMSG CakeProphet :lol") < 1166665389 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1166665396 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LUA is better :D < 1166665401 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the whole thing C? < 1166665402 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh noes... I've been... spammed? < 1166665407 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope_: The best part of this bot is that it's extensible at runtime < 1166665423 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec for num in xrange(6): bot.raw("PRIVMSG CakeProphet :%s" % num) < 1166665431 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But C lets you spam really efficiently... < 1166665442 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope_, well... you have to get it into python... but the source itself is in C < 1166665463 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope_: I'm sure the bottleneck is my internet connection < 1166665472 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or freenode's flood protection... < 1166665499 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for(;;){bot.raw("PRIVMSG CakeProphet :%s",rand() % 100)} < 1166665516 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: Except no < 1166665630 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec for num in xrange(6): bot.raw("PRIVMSG GreaseMonkey :%s" % __import__("random").randint(0,100)) < 1166665828 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is bored
< 1166666023 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone ever worked or otherwise dealt with a supercomputer? < 1166666217 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in what sense? < 1166666245 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :programmed for them, operated them < 1166666449 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GAR! < 1166666459 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pissed off < 1166666549 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm looking through the course book for the local community college : "Intro to Computer Science: Learn Excel, Powerpoint and basic webdesign with dreamweaver" < 1166666555 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the FUCK < 1166667098 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that is why I'm afraid to study "Computer Science" < 1166667322 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION overcame his fear
< 1166667358 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, granted, our first year classes are pretty shitty. < 1166667371 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we get to do cool things eventually < 1166667397 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why the fuck would they even teach webdesign in a CS class < 1166667485 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They misuse that term so much < 1166667494 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CS != using a computer < 1166667944 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah < 1166668232 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.explosm.net/comics/144/ < 1166668521 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.explosm.net/comics/161/ < 1166668548 0 :Sawamano!i=UPP@200-206-136-190.dsl.telesp.net.br JOIN :#esoteric < 1166668558 0 :tgwizard!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1166668700 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1166668840 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1166668887 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.explosm.net/comics/53/ < 1166669382 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dododododo < 1166669484 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec for i in ["seven", "donkeys", "ate", "cheese"]: self.raw("PRIVMSG #esoteric %s", i) < 1166669491 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec for i in ["seven", "donkeys", "ate", "cheese"]: self.raw("PRIVMSG #esoteric %s" % i) < 1166669491 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seven < 1166669491 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :donkeys < 1166669491 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ate < 1166669491 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheese < 1166669661 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec for i in ["in", "hell", "with", "hammurabi"]: self.raw("PRIVMSG #esoteric %s" % i) < 1166669661 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in < 1166669661 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hell < 1166669661 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with < 1166669661 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hammurabi < 1166669791 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1166669812 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :man impulse tracker under dosbox is pretty crappy < 1166669822 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it plays 4-channel mods fine < 1166669844 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is a man impulse and why would you want to track it < 1166669893 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION watches GreaseMonkey and oerjan lick each other
< 1166669950 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :man, "impulse tracker" under dosbox is pretty crappy < 1166669972 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION _must_ make his humor less subtle
< 1166669979 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1166669991 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise it'll be worse than "The Nanny" < 1166670051 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :often DOSBox runs programs better than if I run them normally < 1166670071 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately i have this attraction to awful puns. especially ones named Attila. < 1166670187 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's gotta run at 5.000MHz < 1166670470 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for i in range(100,0,-1): print "%s bottle%s of beer on the wall, %s bottle%s of beer." % (i, ((i > 1) and "s") or "", i, ((i > 1) and "s") or "") < 1166670502 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION feels leet
< 1166670552 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wair < 1166670554 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*wait < 1166670556 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crap < 1166670561 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got the lyrics wrong < 1166670572 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought there was something missing < 1166670747 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s = '%s bottle%s of beer on the wall, %s bottle%s of beer. Take one down, pass it around, %s bottle%s of beer on the wall' < 1166670754 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for i in range(100,0,-1): print s % (i, ((i > 1) and "s") or "", i, ((i > 1) and "s") or "", i-1, ((i > 2) and "s") or "") < 1166670908 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure that is quite right for 0? < 1166670977 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no :( < 1166671183 0 :Sawamano!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :".��UPP��." < 1166671215 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Behold! < 1166671226 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The most powerful representation of data ever... < 1166671290 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I call it... The Extensible Goo Awesomizatiion Language (TEGAL) < 1166671320 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, I got it right now < 1166671356 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for i in range(100,0,-1): print s % (i, ((i > 1) and "s") or "", i, ((i > 1) and "s") or "", ((i > 1) and i-1) or "no", (((i > 2) or (i == 1)) and "s") or "") < 1166671369 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tegal consists of blobs... which are parenthesized sets of data. (attribute:value|attribute:value|attribute:multiple,sets,of,values) < 1166671388 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and... that's about it. < 1166671486 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec for i in range(100,98,-1): print '%s bottle%s of beer on the wall, %s bottle%s of beer. Take one down, pass it around, %s bottle%s of beer on the wall' % (i, ((i > 1) and "s") or "", i, ((i > 1) and "s") or "", ((i > 1) and i-1) or "no", (((i > 2) or (i == 1)) and "s") or "") < 1166671494 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh :( < 1166671537 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec for i in range(100,98,-1): self.raw("PRIVMSG #esoteric :%s" % ('%s bottle%s of beer on the wall, %s bottle%s of beer. Take one down, pass it around, %s bottle%s of beer on the wall' % (i, ((i > 1) and "s") or "", i, ((i > 1) and "s") or "", ((i > 1) and i-1) or "no", (((i > 2) or (i == 1)) and "s") or ""))) < 1166671538 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :100 bottles of beer on the wall, 100 bottles of beer. Take one down, pass it around, 99 bottles of beer on the wall < 1166671538 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :99 bottles of beer on the wall, 99 bottles of beer. Take one down, pass it around, 98 bottles of beer on the wall < 1166671553 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec for i in range(2,0,-1): self.raw("PRIVMSG #esoteric :%s" % ('%s bottle%s of beer on the wall, %s bottle%s of beer. Take one down, pass it around, %s bottle%s of beer on the wall' % (i, ((i > 1) and "s") or "", i, ((i > 1) and "s") or "", ((i > 1) and i-1) or "no", (((i > 2) or (i == 1)) and "s") or ""))) < 1166671553 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 bottles of beer on the wall, 2 bottles of beer. Take one down, pass it around, 1 bottle of beer on the wall < 1166671553 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 bottle of beer on the wall, 1 bottle of beer. Take one down, pass it around, no bottles of beer on the wall < 1166671576 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huzzah < 1166671598 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, you need a period at the end < 1166671605 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1166671608 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"\n".join(["'%s bottle%s of beer on the wall, %s bottle%s of beer. Take one down, pass it around, %s bottle%s of beer on the wall'" % (i, ("s" if i > 1else "")) * 3 for i in xrange(1,101,-1)]) < 1166671611 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :close enough < 1166671623 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A one-liner < 1166671624 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The list comprehension! < 1166671626 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even better < 1166671632 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can stuff it in a lambda now. < 1166671649 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1166671653 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not python < 1166671659 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...yes it is. < 1166671665 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :("s" if i > 1else "")? < 1166671674 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in version 2.5 < 1166671677 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :conditional expressions. < 1166671683 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1166671695 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I did it the old harder way < 1166671697 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so HA < 1166671710 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :( if else ) < 1166671716 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with optional parenthesis < 1166671755 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so for the first time in history we have an if which dangles at _both_ ends < 1166671765 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can still do mine in a list comprehension < 1166671772 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"\n".join([ '%s bottle%s of beer on the wall, %s bottle%s of beer. Take one down, pass it around, %s bottle%s of beer on the wall' % (i, ((i > 1) and "s") or "", i, ((i > 1) and "s") or "", ((i > 1) and i-1) or "no", (((i > 2) or (i == 1)) and "s") or "") for i in range(100,0,-1)]) < 1166671850 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beat that! < 1166671871 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my favorite is 's'[i<=1:] instead of (i>1 and 's' or ''). < 1166671903 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice! < 1166671908 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know you could do that < 1166672278 0 :GregorR-L!n=GregorR-@c-24-22-56-63.hsd1.mn.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166672299 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure you can. < 1166672312 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm... < 1166672323 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TEGAL is starting to look like the lisp of data representations... < 1166672448 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14" of snow! < 1166672480 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14" of air < 1166672482 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(With air on top) < 1166672655 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :R-L? < 1166672697 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Laptop < 1166672700 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION rolls around in the snow
< 1166672720 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: You really need screen < 1166672730 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a bnc < 1166672732 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VNC + x-hat = suck < 1166672735 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*x-chat < 1166672745 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And irssi just = suck < 1166672751 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :irssi-proxy + screen+ xchat == good < 1166672755 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I do < 1166672761 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmmmmmmmm .......... what the bork? < 1166672779 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1166672903 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zomg bot < 1166672922 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zomg Plof! :) < 1166672967 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zomg another language! < 1166673022 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zomg Tomato! < 1166673047 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zomg RCL-2! < 1166673065 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now we need a language called Zomg < 1166673088 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what should the acronym stand for? < 1166673111 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zany other monster guts < 1166673150 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a379/GregorRichards/Superman.jpg < 1166673177 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1166673382 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find your lack of pants disturbing. < 1166673420 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find your lack of pants disturbing. < 1166673426 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are unwise to lower your pants. < 1166673521 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# The Force is strong in my pants. < 1166673527 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's amazing. How many hours did you invest in making that feature? < 1166673537 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :None < 1166673551 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1166673555 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just !raw PRIVMSGing in pm < 1166673737 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In his pants you will find a new definition of pain and suffering < 1166674973 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1166678948 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: return, eh? < 1166678970 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah < 1166679033 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why only odd numbered instructions? < 1166679308 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh? is the parser cocked up? < 1166679330 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1166679345 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does my parser not read enough? < 1166679355 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't try your parser < 1166679364 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why'd you ask that then? < 1166679372 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But why are the instructions odd numbered? < 1166679408 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, because it makes it easier to perform a NOP < 1166679415 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1166679432 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might end up doing a WHILE loop, but only want a few instructions < 1166679445 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you don't want to obfuscate it < 1166679470 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :( ( (()()()) (()()()) (()()()) ) ( (()()()) (()()()) (()()()) ) ( (()()()) (()()()) (()()()) ) ) < 1166679479 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would subtract 13 < 1166679605 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would classify the Hello World program as "pointlessly massive" < 1166679688 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like my maze generator? < 1166679698 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, do you have allegro? < 1166680707 0 :comboy!n=comboy@chello062179027082.chello.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1166680917 0 :comboy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please print the most dumb person on the earth name. < 1166681076 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With grammar like that, I'm thinking "comboy" < 1166681077 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1166681129 0 :comboy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Segmentation fault < 1166681162 0 :comboy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please delete yourself ;p < 1166681216 0 :comboy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok I meant name of the most dumb person.. I don't know what is worse.. my grammar or lack of coffee < 1166681232 0 :comboy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway nice idea < 1166681268 0 :comboy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I guess I still prefer ruby ;p < 1166681302 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LUA ftw still < 1166681369 0 :comboy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only word from this line I recognize is that one in the middle - it's reversed wtf ;p < 1166681398 0 :comboy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :30h w/o sleep too much for me < 1166681403 0 :comboy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cee ya < 1166681425 0 :comboy!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1166682334 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1166683374 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: I've improved dplof's error output. < 1166683383 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.explosm.net/comics/393/ < 1166683438 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1166683726 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: http://www.codu.org/plof/dplof-x86-gnuWlinux-2006-12-20-2.tar.gz if you care < 1166684227 0 :okokoko!n=villsalo@194.251.102.88 JOIN :#esoteric < 1166684259 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1166685105 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.w00t <- IRC for annoying quit-spamming bastards" < 1166686318 0 :ShadowHntr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"End of line." < 1166686404 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's a simple crackme if you want to do it: http://greasemonkey.shadowarts.org/inject.php < 1166686423 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :once you've done it you get my email addresses :D < 1166686517 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey, too easy. :p < 1166686617 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :got it? < 1166686622 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1166686630 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that the greasemonkey@ ones don't work < 1166686653 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it is easy < 1166686713 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :username = admin, password = asscracker < 1166686723 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or uname=admin&success=1 < 1166686759 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could get it even success is not set :p < 1166686780 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are so many md5 reverse lookup services. < 1166686860 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1166686871 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D -> http://www.explosm.net/comics/420/ < 1166686910 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD -> http://www.explosm.net/comics/421/ < 1166687070 0 :CakeProphet_!n=CakeProp@h169.236.213.151.ip.alltel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166687199 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1166687213 0 :CakeProphet_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :CakeProphet < 1166687334 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.explosm.net/comics/431/ < 1166687636 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.explosm.net/comics/434/ < 1166687999 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1166688000 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1166688276 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1166688304 0 :GregorR-W!n=gregor@jffwprtest.jf.intel.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1166690960 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gonna go, gnight < 1166691000 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Read error: 130 (Monkey too greasy)" < 1166693056 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Write an OS for me. < 1166694779 0 :einand!n=einand@h99n3c1o1095.bredband.skanova.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1166694796 0 :einand!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please welcome me < 1166694847 0 :ivan`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello, machine translation < 1166694973 0 :einand!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please tell me what do do next < 1166695214 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahoy < 1166697497 0 :ihope_!n=foo@c-71-205-100-59.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166698221 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1166699159 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host81-158-88-90.range81-158.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1166705145 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1166709760 0 :lament!n=lament@S010600110999ad06.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166710273 0 :jix_!n=jix@L61ed.l.strato-dslnet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1166711247 0 :CakeProphet_!n=CakeProp@h169.236.213.151.ip.alltel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166711306 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1166711316 0 :CakeProphet_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :CakeProphet < 1166713121 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn you, having all these interesting conversations between 1am and 6am < 1166713141 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn them indeed < 1166713151 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, am I one of them? < 1166713159 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you never know with timezones < 1166713181 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION realises he would be ruled out by the "interesting" clause
< 1166714969 0 :Arrogant!i=Paragon@42.orlando-06-08rs.fl.dial-access.att.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166715490 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION laughs more: http://www.explosm.net/comics/324/
< 1166716070 0 :CakeProphet_!n=CakeProp@h232.246.213.151.ip.alltel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166716273 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1166716279 0 :CakeProphet_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :CakeProphet < 1166718102 0 :FabioNET!i=500@217.201.0.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1166719561 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1166719788 0 :Sukoshi!n=user@user-11faadf.dsl.mindspring.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1166720357 0 :einand!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1166721105 0 :tgwizard!n=tgwizard@c-923fe155.178-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1166723623 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"haaaaaaaaaa" < 1166724010 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1166724037 0 :GregorR-W!n=gregor@jffwprtest.jf.intel.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1166725883 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g < 1166725922 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find your lack of pants disturbing. < 1166726022 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION pulls his pants back on.
< 1166726027 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You sensitive twit. < 1166726046 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION rolls around in the 2 feet of snow outside
< 1166726059 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION rolls around in the 100 feet of fog outside.
< 1166726075 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha ha sux0r < 1166726154 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is mildly surprised the fog hasn't cleared yet.
< 1166726775 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the snow is stopping :( < 1166728512 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PING :kornbluth.freenode.net < 1166728537 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION will be taking the place of ChanServ
< 1166728548 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION will be taking the place NickServ too
< 1166728573 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You will need to re login with you passwords < 1166728926 0 :Arrogant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1166730944 0 :ore2!n=ore@c206.fem.tu-ilmenau.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1166731049 0 :ore2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1166731249 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders just how long we have not had a chanserv.
< 1166732620 0 :sekhmet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: Since Aug 10, says my logs < 1166733403 0 :ihope_!n=foo@c-71-205-100-59.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166734889 0 :vincze!n=chatzill@dsl51B6D7C9.pool.t-online.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1166734947 0 :vincze!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1166735025 0 :CakeProphet!n=CakeProp@h232.246.213.151.ip.alltel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166735617 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec import random < 1166735643 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec print random.randint(1,100) < 1166735652 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't work < 1166736093 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec self.register_raw("^:[^:]+:!dice.*", lambda x : bot.raw("PRIVMSG #esoteric :%s" % __import__("random").randint(1,7)) < 1166736098 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf61f7.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166736102 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec self.register_raw("^:[^:]+:!dice.*", lambda x : bot.raw("PRIVMSG #esoteric :%s" % __import__("random").randint(1,7))) < 1166736106 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!dice < 1166736107 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 < 1166736109 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!dice < 1166736109 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :7 < 1166736113 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O.o < 1166736127 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec self.raw_regex_queue.pop() < 1166736133 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec self.register_raw("^:[^:]+:!dice.*", lambda x : bot.raw("PRIVMSG #esoteric :%s" % __import__("random").randint(1,6))) < 1166736139 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!dice < 1166736139 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 < 1166736145 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!dice < 1166736145 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1166736184 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!dice < 1166736184 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 < 1166736188 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1166736237 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sgeo.diagonalfish.net/screenshots/windeath/drivecleaner/ < 1166736239 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Insanity < 1166736331 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION pokes
< 1166736937 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1166737036 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi oerjan < 1166737039 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sgeo.diagonalfish.net/screenshots/windeath/drivecleaner/ < 1166737125 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi sgeo < 1166737199 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any comments on my pics? < 1166737340 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love the poor English in the program. < 1166737341 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just that I hope they are from an emulated drive or something and you didn't do that on your desktop machine < 1166737419 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, seven-sided dice. quite rare, i believe. < 1166737437 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno, Windows 98 in VMware under a non-persistent VM < 1166737481 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fave pics: 011 < 1166737493 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :008 < 1166737503 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Uh, seven-sided = impossible to make a proper dice. < 1166737505 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k ':) < 1166737507 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*die < 1166737593 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Complete protection from System" < 1166737615 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help, help, protect me from the system! < 1166737629 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"These Privacy Violations may cause: * Embarrassing activities < 1166737659 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1166738124 0 :okokoko!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dice==die < 1166738130 0 :okokoko!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why is it impossible? < 1166738245 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagonal_prism < 1166738619 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a 7-sided fair die. http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Isohedron.html < 1166738620 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokoko: (I actually did correct dice-die on the next line) A die is a perfect polyhedron, and perfect polyhedrons can only be formed with an even number of sides greater than 2 < 1166738639 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, I mean "is not". < 1166738650 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What a nice and pure brain-fart. < 1166738673 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Isohedron" being the more succinct word for "perfect polyhedron" :P < 1166738695 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Szilassi_polyhedron < 1166738712 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that look like a fair die to you, tokigun ... < 1166738764 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathworld's definition is a bit non-intuitive; "a fair die is one for which its symmetry group acts transitively on its faces". < 1166738775 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, joking. only problem is that is topologically a torus... < 1166738805 0 :okokoko!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, die==dice, what did you mean by "correcting"? < 1166738838 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually if you know what "acts transitively" means it is perfectly intuitive that it means being a fair die < 1166738840 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, a septagonal prism would be fair, but it's not strictly a die ... maybe. < 1166738870 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because any two sides are then equivalent < 1166738940 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently they do use it in seven-sided backgammon :o < 1166738960 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a septagonal prism does not have a transitive symmetry group - you cannot turn the top and bottom sides to mach the others < 1166738974 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokoko; Was that meant for GregorR? I don't think I said "correcting" anywhere. < 1166739003 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: No, but it can't realistically land on either of the two ends if it's made properly, so it'll be 99% one of the numbers and 1% roll again :) < 1166739004 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*match < 1166739026 0 :okokoko!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, i confused you two < 1166739027 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: That's why I said "It's fair, but not strictly a die" < 1166739033 0 :okokoko!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry :) < 1166739043 0 :okokoko!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-W and fizzie < 1166739093 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Roll again" is such a lame rule for an event that unlikely; it should be something like "it counts as 7 but you need to cluck like a chicken for 10 seconds". < 1166739133 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ll < 1166739134 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*lol < 1166739361 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i remember that you can make a die that is unstable on all but 7 sides by making it similar to a doubly sharpened pencil < 1166739381 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, that's good. < 1166739408 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like a septagonal prism but it's physically impossible for it to land on one of the "bad" sides. < 1166739437 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(As opposed to just ridiculously unlikely :) ) < 1166739459 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION attempts to redirect the discussion to his pics
< 1166739485 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it could still ridiculously unlikely land on the "pencil point" :) < 1166739503 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not if there's, y'know, air or something. < 1166739545 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i am not talking ordinarily ridiculously unlikely. < 1166739584 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe all the air happens to avoid the thing by sheer chance? < 1166739599 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION again tries to steer somewhat towards pics
< 1166739741 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it seems like a program that would be annoying but not dangerous < 1166739743 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1166739907 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whether it is actually useful is another matter < 1166740016 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need to pay money to make it actually clean stuff.. < 1166740027 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you've got to love the poor english < 1166740222 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it is stupid. just not _that_ stupid. < 1166740407 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :var = a [ main = { println("Plof rocks!"); } ]; a.main(); < 1166740413 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops, tpyo :P < 1166740417 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :var a = [ main = { println("Plof rocks!"); } ]; a.main(); < 1166740432 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Bitte waehlen Sie eine Beerdigungnachricht" < 1166741521 0 :Puddy_!n=puddy@p5495D180.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166741578 0 :gerard_!n=gerard_@ip503c52b0.speed.planet.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1166741611 0 :Puddy_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1166741639 0 :gerard_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'please type your commands here' < 1166741743 0 :gerard_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :loop: goto loop < 1166741818 0 :Puddy_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERROR: endless loop, silly < 1166741832 0 :Puddy_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please write what time it is in england < 1166741851 0 :gerard_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GMT +0 < 1166741982 0 :Puddy_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please calculate $TIME - (GMT[germany]-GMT +0) < 1166742000 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION stabs himself for ever writing that IRP article.
< 1166742029 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION stabs GregorR-W too :)
< 1166742033 0 :Puddy_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1166742079 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Puddy_: Yeah, but you don't have to sit here and listen to 99% of new joins say "Please say 'Hello, world!'" < 1166742080 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time in England: 22:57 < 1166742083 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe < 1166742111 0 :Puddy_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you seriously should get a bot for "simple" tasks^^ < 1166742118 0 :gerard_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1166742126 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a bot, I don't know why it's down ... < 1166742144 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One sec. < 1166742151 0 :Puddy_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmh, would you mind me coding a new one? < 1166742174 0 :Puddy_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes i got too much time and feel like "bllaaa programminnggg!!!" but dont know what...^^ < 1166742195 0 :EgoBot!n=EgoBot@c-24-22-56-63.hsd1.mn.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166742207 0 :Puddy_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please say 'hello world!'; < 1166742213 0 :gerard_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could use very simple rules like: I see 'goto' -> say 'no enless loops please' < 1166742214 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_o)O!"Tada, EgoBot"(_o)o.?]} < 1166742216 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tada, EgoBot < 1166742218 0 :Puddy_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hms^^ < 1166742221 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it does not speak IRP ;) < 1166742236 0 :Puddy_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah.. why not? :s < 1166742238 0 :Puddy_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1166742240 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :help ps kill i eof flush show ls bf_txtgen usertrig daemon undaemon < 1166742242 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1l 2l adjust axo bch bf{8,[16],32,64} funge93 fyb fybs glass glypho kipple lambda lazyk linguine malbolge pbrain qbf rail rhotor sadol sceql trigger udage01 unlambda whirl < 1166742254 0 :gerard_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omfg < 1166742264 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently gregorR-W is not up to writing an AI-complete bot :( < 1166742309 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION no tiene el SKILLZORZ
< 1166742331 0 :Puddy_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too lazy or dont want a bot who knows irp? < 1166742346 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!malbolge (=<`:9876Z4321UT.-Q+*)M'&%$H"!~}|Bzy?=|{z]KwZY44Eq0/{mlk**hKs_dG5[m_BA{?-Y;;Vb'rR5431M}/.zHGwEDCBA@98\6543W10/.R,+O< < 1166742348 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, world. < 1166742357 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's one of my favs < 1166742389 0 :gerard_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!gerard_ hi < 1166742392 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1166742394 0 :gerard_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello world! < 1166742412 0 :gerard_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!huh? !huh < 1166742414 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1166742414 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EgoBot tries to parse anything startin gwith a ! < 1166742424 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/n gw/ng w/ < 1166742428 0 :gerard_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1166742453 0 :gerard_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no need to talk RE, i understand IRP too ;) < 1166742466 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!Huh? < 1166742468 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1166742478 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!Huh? < 1166742480 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1166742494 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doh < 1166742511 0 :gerard_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!show < 1166742514 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No such process! < 1166742530 0 :gerard_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!i < 1166742533 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : !show preemptively shows the output for a process < 1166742537 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : !i inputs to a process < 1166742544 0 :gerard_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1166742555 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help show < 1166742559 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use: show Function: display the current output buffer for a process < 1166742559 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1166742582 0 :tannerld!n=tanner@adsl-068-209-251-067.sip.asm.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166742582 0 :gerard_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you let it print something starting with a ! ? < 1166742598 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_o)O!"!Of course."(_o)o.?]} < 1166742600 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!Of course. < 1166742605 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't parse its own output. < 1166742610 0 :gerard_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad :p < 1166742619 0 :gerard_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need 2 bots then for the endless loop < 1166742622 0 :tannerld!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1166742629 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregorR-W has had _a lot_ of experience preventing EgoBot abuse ;) < 1166742635 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf ++++[>++++++++<-]>+. < 1166742637 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X_X < 1166742638 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1166742650 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! < 1166742656 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Watch the lame output it'll make :) < 1166742665 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION bets for >>><<<
< 1166742665 0 :Puddy_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coool! < 1166742684 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(loading java bytecode interpreter...) < 1166742689 0 :gerard_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1166742691 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(parsing line 1...) < 1166742697 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(parsing line 2...) < 1166742697 0 :Puddy_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf +++++++++[>+++++++++<-]>++++. < 1166742698 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :51 +++++++++++[>+++>+++>><<<<-]>......>...........<... [433] < 1166742698 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't blame me, I didn't write the Java ;) < 1166742700 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :U < 1166742709 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf8 +++++++++++[>+++>+++>><<<<-]>......>...........<... < 1166742711 0 :Puddy_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm U .. thoughts thats "a" .. hmh well xD < 1166742712 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, I almost got it! < 1166742712 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! < 1166742745 0 :Puddy_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please translate this to bf: 'puddy' < 1166742760 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Puddy_: You can do it yourself, anybody can use !bf_txtgen :P < 1166742767 0 :gerard_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen puddy < 1166742773 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ps < 1166742776 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 gerard_: bf_txtgen < 1166742778 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 GregorR-W: ps < 1166742792 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :59 ++++++++++++++[>++++++++>+++++++>><<<<-]>.+++++.>++..<++++. [449] < 1166742808 0 :Puddy_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmh, doesnt look like very well optimized code^^ < 1166742818 0 :gerard_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen ++++++++++++++[>++++++++>+++++++>><<<<-]>.+++++.>++..<++++. < 1166742820 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a genetic algorithm, and I cut it off at 1000 iterations. < 1166742830 0 :gerard_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1166742853 0 :gerard_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try to make it self reproducing now ;) < 1166742855 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't look'a me, calamari (not present) wrote it. < 1166742865 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you, the algorithm doesn't decide the whole code, just the length of + runs < 1166742900 0 :gerard_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, genetic algorithms are difficult enough :p < 1166742911 0 :Puddy_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe yea, nice^^ < 1166742919 0 :Puddy_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen a < 1166742924 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :276 +++++++++++++++[>++++++>+++>+++>+++<<<<-]>>--...>--.>--.<...>..<....<<+.-----------------------------.>..>..>...<.<<.>.>>..<...<.<..>+++++++++++++++++....>++.<+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.-------------------------------.----------------.---.....>+.<<.>..>..<<--.>.>>...<. [950] < 1166742925 0 :gerard_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ps < 1166742926 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 gerard_: ps < 1166742928 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 Puddy_: bf_txtgen < 1166742940 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :34 ++++++++++++[>++++++++>>><<<<-]>+. [72] < 1166742978 0 :gerard_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen +++++++++++++++[>++++++>+++>+++>+++<<<<-]>>--...>--.>--.<...>..<....<<+.-----------------------------.>..>..>...<.<<.>.>>..<...<.<..>+++++++++++++++++....>++.<+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.-------------------------------.----------------.---.....>+.<<.>..>..<<--.>.>>...<. < 1166742990 0 :gerard_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hope it can handle this.... < 1166742996 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a chance < 1166743010 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can handle it, but it'll cut out the output :P < 1166743024 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1166743039 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It limits it to something around 280 characters. I don't remember exactly what < 1166743092 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :255? < 1166743117 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, it's more than that, it landed there after randomness/fine-tuning, not arbitrary decision :) < 1166743155 0 :gerard_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ps < 1166743158 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 gerard_: bf_txtgen < 1166743160 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 gerard_: ps < 1166743323 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!funge93 067+"_toBogE KCIN"67+"...mmh">:#,_@ < 1166743326 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... NICK EgoBot_ < 1166743338 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\r doesn't work, fortunately :) < 1166743353 0 :gerard_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ps < 1166743356 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 gerard_: bf_txtgen < 1166743358 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 gerard_: ps < 1166743373 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does everybody assume I was a f***ing moron when I wrote the bot ... < 1166743380 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1077 +++++++++++[>++++>++++>++++>++++<<<<-]>>>-.<<-...>-.<...>>>-..<<.<.>>.>..<<++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.-----------------------------.>..>.<...+++++++++++++++++++.<-------------------.<.>.>.<..<.>+++++++++++++++++++.>>...+++++++++++++++++....<-----------------.<+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.-------------------------------.>>++.<..<----------------.>+.. < 1166743386 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1166743394 0 :gerard_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1166743403 0 :Puddy_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmh < 1166743417 0 :Puddy_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you ask nicely maybe someone will compile the question.. < 1166743425 0 :Puddy_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1166743597 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because whatever errors you actually put in it probably are f***ing moron errors? < 1166743609 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : /ouch/ < 1166743664 0 :ihope__!n=foo@c-71-205-100-59.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166743686 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although they may very well be few :) < 1166743701 0 :tgwizard!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1166744065 0 :FabioNET!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"notte °_°" < 1166744451 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heyas DogFace... erm.. ihope < 1166744538 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a rivalry I don't know about going on here? :P < 1166744716 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1166744874 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might also be because f***ing-moron-ness is rather common amongst bot-writers. The bot on our Scheme channel did very sensible output filtering for I/O functions and strings-returned-as-a-result, but outputted symbols-returned-as-a-result directly so one could use string->symbol to make it execute arbitrary commands. < 1166744932 0 :gerard_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might also be that morons deny that they are morons, and so you need to test it yourself < 1166744948 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ME ARE NOT STUPID UR MEEN < 1166744974 0 :gerard_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, thats 4/6 words spelled correctly < 1166744980 0 :gerard_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :better than average < 1166744996 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn it :( < 1166744997 0 :gerard_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you even managed to get some lowercase letters in your name < 1166745018 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IM NO STOOPID UR MEEN < 1166745082 0 :gerard_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, thats not even correct IRP < 1166745089 0 :gerard_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm off to bed < 1166745103 0 :gerard_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good luck with the 'Hello world' stuff < 1166745201 0 :gerard_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1166745827 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1166745828 0 :tannerld!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1166745828 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1166745828 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1166745830 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1166745830 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1166745830 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1166745830 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1166745830 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1166745834 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1166745834 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1166745834 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1166745835 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1166745835 0 :ihope__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1166745835 0 :sekhmet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1166745835 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1166745835 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1166745855 0 :lindi-!n=lindi@81.17.193.150 JOIN :#esoteric < 1166745859 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host81-158-88-90.range81-158.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1166746304 0 :Puddy_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please someone write a random numbet between 1 and 10 :) < 1166746310 0 :Puddy_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :number# < 1166746346 0 :tokigun!n=tokigun@143.248.234.145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1166746359 0 :okokoko!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :7 < 1166746371 0 :CakeProphet!n=CakeProp@151.213.246.232 JOIN :#esoteric < 1166746378 0 :EgoBot!n=EgoBot@24.22.56.63 JOIN :#esoteric < 1166746384 0 :GregorR-W!n=gregor@jffwprtest.jf.intel.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1166746390 0 :ihope_!n=foo@c-71-205-100-59.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166746556 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was that really random? < 1166746639 0 :sp3tt!n=sp3tt@80-162.cust.umeaenergi.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1166746646 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=aaa@70.239.120.227 JOIN :#esoteric < 1166746655 0 :lament!n=lament@S010600110999ad06.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166746698 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@122.46.198.22 JOIN :#esoteric < 1166746880 0 :ShadowHntr!i=sentinel@wikipedia/Shadowhntr JOIN :#esoteric < 1166746918 0 :Puddy_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"My damn controlling terminal disappeared!" < 1166746936 0 :sekhmet!n=pez@ppp-70-226-146-102.dsl.mdsnwi.ameritech.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166746996 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Chatzilla 0.9.75 [IceWeasel 1.0.1b2] (kidding!)" < 1166747593 0 :Sukoshi`!n=user@user-11faadf.dsl.mindspring.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1166747610 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@24.22.56.63 JOIN :#esoteric < 1166747783 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Approximately all of you" :P < 1166747849 0 :mtve!n=imtve@mtve.vm.jvds.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1166747888 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host81-158-88-90.range81-158.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1166747911 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :give or take one < 1166747973 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1166747973 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1166747976 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1166747976 0 :ivan`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1166747977 0 :cmeme!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1166747986 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here we go again. < 1166748007 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@24.191.97.247 JOIN :#esoteric < 1166748074 0 :ivan`!i=ivan@wikipedia/ivan JOIN :#esoteric < 1166748319 0 :cmeme!n=cmeme@boa.b9.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1166748511 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now it's an even less unknown bug < 1166748544 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1166748559 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :har har < 1166748777 0 :Sukoshi`!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Sukoshi < 1166749134 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec foo < 1166749138 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1166749159 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec foo < 1166749161 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1166749165 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's time for me to write plofplof ... < 1166749173 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, he's not in here < 1166749178 0 :bsmnt_bot!n=bsmnt@abacus.kwzs.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1166749179 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1166749181 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec foo < 1166749186 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1166749190 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec print "hi" < 1166749193 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1166749209 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my ident is wrong < 1166749225 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1166749227 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=aaa@abacus.kwzs.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1166749276 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec print "hi" < 1166749279 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1166749298 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1166749302 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=aaa@abacus.kwzs.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1166749344 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec print "hi" < 1166749347 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1166749367 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1166749417 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr < 1166749459 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1166749461 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=aaa@abacus.kwzs.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1166749593 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something weird is happeneing with my ident < 1166749651 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION laughs at your pain.
< 1166749666 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION bites your face off
< 1166749676 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pwnt < 1166749681 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION continues to laugh despite the lack of face.
< 1166749700 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1166749749 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@about/copyleft/user/bsmntbombdood JOIN :#esoteric < 1166749800 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec print "hi" < 1166749803 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1166749842 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1166749845 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION continues to laugh at your pain.
< 1166749845 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1166749850 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!quit < 1166749854 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1166749860 0 :bsmnt_bot!n=bsmnt@abacus.kwzs.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1166749862 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lagging like shit < 1166749885 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmnt_bot: Disobey me again, I rip your guts out < 1166749895 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And replace them with Plof! < 1166749914 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec self.raw("PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes master") < 1166749914 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes master < 1166749918 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1166749927 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you < 1166749977 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!raw PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will never happen again < 1166749977 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will never happen again < 1166749981 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guten < 1166750085 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec self.register_raw(".*d%s.*" % "ude", lambda x : bot.raw("PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet")) < 1166750090 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1166750091 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude < 1166750092 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet < 1166750114 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec self.register_raw(".*s%s.*" % "weet", lambda x : bot.raw("PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude")) < 1166750115 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet < 1166750118 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1166750122 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet < 1166750122 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude < 1166750125 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1166750213 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude < 1166750228 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet < 1166750246 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't work too good with more than one channel ;) < 1166750335 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude < 1166750355 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec for i in range(4): self.raw_regex_queue.pop() < 1166750358 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1166750362 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude < 1166750385 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec self.register_raw(".*#esoteric.*s%s.*" % "weet", lambda x : bot.raw("PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude")) < 1166750388 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1166750395 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude < 1166750402 0 :ehren!n=ehren@adsl-68-75-27-226.dsl.wotnoh.ameritech.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166750406 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gar < 1166750413 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"nobody loves me" < 1166750434 0 :ehren!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could someone please say "Hello World!"? < 1166750446 0 :bsmnt_bot!n=bsmnt@abacus.kwzs.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1166750460 0 :ehren!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could someone please say "Hello World!"? < 1166750461 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :goodbye cruel world < 1166750478 0 :ehren!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :goodbye? < 1166750487 0 :ehren!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntax error < 1166750584 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION bangs his head against the wall.
< 1166750589 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF, did IRP get slashdotted or something? < 1166750604 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're about the eighth person to join today IRP'ing X_X < 1166750607 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION leaves for home.
< 1166750609 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Internet Relay Porn ?!?? < 1166750621 0 :ehren!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :programming language < 1166750638 0 :ehren!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sumbleuponed < 1166750639 0 :ehren!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/IRP#Hello.2C_World.21 < 1166750643 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Like annoying quit spamming bastards? You'll love HydraIRC -> http://www.hydraircse.cx/ <-" < 1166750662 0 :ehren!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*stumbleuponed < 1166750672 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stumbleupon's cool < 1166750672 0 :wooby!n=alan@cpe-66-67-60-51.rochester.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1166750743 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear < 1166750751 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just going to get worse < 1166750755 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1166750791 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the IRP thing ;) < 1166750853 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's IRP? < 1166750909 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1166750918 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR is a genious < 1166750959 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :genius even < 1166751104 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please write this exact line to this channel. < 1166751228 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec self.register_raw(".*%s write this exact line to this channel\..*" % "Please", lambda x : bot.raw("PRIVMSG #esoteric :%s write this exact line to this channel." % "Please")) < 1166751232 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1166751233 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please write this exact line to this channel. < 1166751233 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please write this exact line to this channel. < 1166751238 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1166751436 0 :digital_me!n=digital@wikipedia/Digitalme JOIN :#esoteric < 1166751501 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please write this exact line to this channel. < 1166751501 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please write this exact line to this channel. < 1166752041 0 :ehren!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please write this exact line to this channel. < 1166752041 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please write this exact line to this channel. < 1166752073 0 :ehren!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1166752112 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please tell me, given that int g(x) { x ? f(x-1) : g(x+1); } int f(x) { x ? g(x+1) : f(x-1); }, does f(2) terminate? < 1166752201 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't < 1166752214 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming I read it right :) < 1166752467 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.flickr.com/photos/71552015@N00/sets/72157594432181982/ < 1166752476 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Flickr photoset of the DriveCleaner 2006) < 1166752648 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: Yeah, it doesn't < 1166753196 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :given (defun f (x) (funcall x #'f)), does (f (lambda (x) (funcall x #'f))) terminate? < 1166753365 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given f() { f|f& }, does f() terminate? < 1166753398 0 :ChoDo!n=textbin@adsl-75-50-45-5.dsl.ipltin.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166753409 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm? < 1166753412 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it? < 1166753476 0 :ChoDo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please write me a program to calculate the winning numbers for tommorow's powerball drawing. < 1166753516 0 :ChoDo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1166753519 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :help ps kill i eof flush show ls bf_txtgen usertrig daemon undaemon < 1166753521 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1l 2l adjust axo bch bf{8,[16],32,64} funge93 fyb fybs glass glypho kipple lambda lazyk linguine malbolge pbrain qbf rail rhotor sadol sceql trigger udage01 unlambda whirl < 1166753542 0 :ChoDo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ps < 1166753545 0 :ChoDo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ps < 1166753549 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 ChoDo: ps < 1166753565 0 :ChoDo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!i < 1166753577 0 :ChoDo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!rail < 1166753581 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Internal Error: Crash: No 'main' function found < 1166753590 0 :ChoDo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!udage01 < 1166753604 0 :ChoDo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!linguine < 1166753607 0 :ChoDo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm linguine < 1166753607 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error: Program must have at least one command < 1166753661 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=thematri@222-153-174-237.jetstream.xtra.co.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1166753705 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :given (defun a (m n) (cond ((= m 0) (+ n 1)) ((and (> m 0) (= n 0)) (a (- m 1) 1)) ((and (> m 0) (> n 0)) (a (- m 1) (a m (- n 1)))))), does (a 10 13) terminate? < 1166753721 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arghs lisp < 1166753729 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, should i say < 1166753732 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arghth < 1166753771 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :given (defun a (m n) (cond ((= m 0) (+ n 1)) ((and (> m 0) (= n 0)) (a (- m 1) 1)) ((and (> m 0) (> n 0)) (a (- m 1) (a m (- n 1)))))), compute (a 4 3) please < 1166754336 0 :digital_me!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: sorry, that's just not feasible to compute ;) < 1166754347 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1166754489 0 :ChoDo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many days until christmas? < 1166754507 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :25-22=3 < 1166754571 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many days till the apocalypse? < 1166754593 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idunno, revelation's already started < 1166754602 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some time back in 300AD or something < 1166754637 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many reckon that the next pope will be a devil < 1166754645 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I follow that route too < 1166754670 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant I belive that's gonna be the case < 1166754691 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This pope looks like that guy from star wars < 1166754729 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm < 1166754733 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, and he will be almost the last < 1166754741 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be a way to recurse a lambda in lisp < 1166754768 0 :RodgerTheGreat!n=RodgerTh@wads-5-233-82.resnet.mtu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1166754770 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1166754778 0 :ChoDo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many days until christmas 2012? < 1166754788 0 :RodgerTheGreat!n=RodgerTh@wads-5-233-82.resnet.mtu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1166754794 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't be stuffed calculating < 1166754826 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3+365+366+365+365+365+366 < 1166754867 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doing some more work on my tomato parser < 1166754867 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1166754948 0 :ChoDo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sausage or pepperoni? < 1166755032 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that (defun f (x y) (cond ((> x y) (f y x) (t (f (+ x y) y))))), does (f 2 1) terminate? does (f 1 2) terminate? < 1166755047 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn, IRP is SLOW! < 1166755072 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it's only the halting problem! < 1166755076 0 :digital_me!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ChoDo: sausage, apparently < 1166755213 0 :digital_me!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please, someone tell me how many angels can dance on the head of a pin? < 1166755259 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: What's that drive cleaner thing? < 1166755280 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean "what"? < 1166755293 0 :digital_me!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I can only presume that he means "what" :P < 1166755310 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a piece of malware that is /supposed/ to get rid of all "incriminating evidence" on the computer < 1166755333 0 :ChoDo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need more porn < 1166755348 0 :digital_me!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ChoDo: quite < 1166755371 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ChoDo: I bet there are some IRP interpreters that can give you some < 1166755495 0 :ChoDo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1166755638 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hola señores. < 1166755720 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: I have decided the answer to your question is **EXCEPTION: TOO MUCH EFFORT** < 1166755744 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmk < 1166755753 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Catch that exception then < 1166755764 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then recurse < 1166755792 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"System.Threading.Thread.Sleep(42893489324)" < 1166755800 0 :digital_me!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1166756059 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec for i in range(3,0,-1): self.raw("PRIVMSG #esoteric :%s" % ('%s bottle%s of beer on the wall, %s bottle%s of beer. Take one down, pass it around, %s bottle%s of beer on the wall' % (i, ((i > 1) and "s") or "", i, ((i > 1) and "s") or "", ((i > 1) and i-1) or "no", (((i > 2) or (i == 1)) and "s") or ""))) < 1166756060 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 bottles of beer on the wall, 3 bottles of beer. Take one down, pass it around, 2 bottles of beer on the wall < 1166756061 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 bottles of beer on the wall, 2 bottles of beer. Take one down, pass it around, 1 bottle of beer on the wall < 1166756061 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 bottle of beer on the wall, 1 bottle of beer. Take one down, pass it around, no bottles of beer on the wall < 1166756062 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1166756151 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;D < 1166756185 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION feels leet
< 1166756357 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :daemon ctcp bf8 +[-----------[++++++++++>,----------]<[<]+.->[.>]+.+++++++++.----------<[<]+] < 1166756358 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!daemon ctcp bf8 +[-----------[++++++++++>,----------]<[<]+.->[.>]+.+++++++++.----------<[<]+] < 1166756365 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ctcp ACTION tests < 1166756368 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tests
< 1166756376 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ctcp ACTION tests again < 1166756379 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ctcp #esoteric ACTION is cooler < 1166756379 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is cooler
< 1166756380 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tests again
< 1166756396 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ctcp ACTION retests < 1166756398 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION retests
< 1166756404 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!undaemon ctcp < 1166756408 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Process 1 killed. < 1166756446 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!daemon ctcp bf8 +[[,--------------------------------]----------[++++++++++>,----------]<[<]+.->[.>]+.+++++++++.----------<[<]+] < 1166756457 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ctcp foo ACTION tests < 1166756460 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tests
< 1166756463 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ctcp foo ACTION retests < 1166756466 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION retests
< 1166756474 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now you do your ctcp < 1166756495 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ctcp #esoteric is cool < 1166756497 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ctcp #esoteric ACTION says "No, I will never do my ctcp" < 1166756497 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION says "No, I will never do my ctcp"
< 1166756500 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION says "No, I will never do my ctcp"
< 1166756542 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ctcp #esoteric ACTION is not as laggy as the other bot < 1166756542 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is not as laggy as the other bot
< 1166756545 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1166756546 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is not as laggy as the other bot
< 1166756555 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Egobot is lying < 1166756562 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you win < 1166756704 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EgoBot isn't laggy, it's strictly buffered. < 1166756714 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And nobody seems to quite get that X_X < 1166756864 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ctcp GregorR ACTION wants to snuggle up with you < 1166756868 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wants to snuggle up with you
< 1166756889 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enough of that, EgoBot! < 1166756891 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!undaemon ctcp < 1166756894 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Process 1 killed. < 1166756925 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1166756937 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(loop for i from 10 downto 1 do (format t "~a bottle~a of beer on the wall, ~a bottle~a of beer. Take one down, pass it around, ~a bottle~a of beer on the wall~%" i (if (> i 1) "s" "") i (if (> i 1) "s" "") (if (> i 1) (- i 1) "no") (if (or (> i 2) (= i 1)) "s" ""))) < 1166756993 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still like my miniscript < 1166756995 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wants evil rogue software
< 1166757069 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :irc_msg "#esoteric" concat concat 1 "ACTION likes bsmntbombdood" 1 < 1166757078 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm? < 1166757080 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example: < 1166757100 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the formula ( x^2 + x ) / 2 < 1166757142 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :div add mul #1 #1 #1 2 < 1166757156 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's split that up... < 1166757164 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :div (add (mul (#1 #1) #1) 2) < 1166757191 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1166757438 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a lang that runs w/scanf < 1166757452 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :div(add(mul(#1,#1),#1),2); < 1166757608 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec register_raw(".*!cuss .*", lambda x : bot.raw("PRIVMSG #esoteric :%s" % ("%s you bloody wanker" % x.split("!cuss ")[-1]))) < 1166757612 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1166757617 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec self.register_raw(".*!cuss .*", lambda x : bot.raw("PRIVMSG #esoteric :%s" % ("%s you bloody wanker" % x.split("!cuss ")[-1]))) < 1166757617 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :")[-1]))) you bloody wanker < 1166757621 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1166757622 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!cuss bsmnt_bot < 1166757622 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmnt_bot you bloody wanker < 1166757625 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1166757627 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1166757650 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!cuss egobot < 1166757650 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :egobot you bloody wanker < 1166757652 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1166757677 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec self.raw_regex_queue.pop() < 1166757679 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just !cuss Egobot < 1166757680 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1166757692 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!cuss EgoBot < 1166757693 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec self.register_raw(".* #esoteric :!cuss .*", lambda x : bot.raw("PRIVMSG #esoteric :%s" % ("%s you bloody wanker" % x.split("!cuss ")[-1]))) < 1166757694 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :")[-1]))) you bloody wanker < 1166757694 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1166757696 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you removed the cmd < 1166757697 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1166757699 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there < 1166757701 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um ... < 1166757701 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!cuss EgoBot < 1166757702 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EgoBot you bloody wanker < 1166757704 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1166757707 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love EgoBot's response :) < 1166757712 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just !cuss I said so < 1166757719 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!cuss I said so < 1166757719 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said so you bloody wanker < 1166757722 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1166757728 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1166757890 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1166757933 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :set cuss funct raw vlist a vlend concat "PRIVMSG #esoteric :" array split #a "PRIVMSG #esoteric !cuss " 1 irc-register "!cuss" cuss < 1166758082 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :daemon cuss bf8 ----------[++++++++++>,----------]>-[---------[++++++++++>,----------]<[<]>[.>]<[<]<[<]>[.>]++++++++++.-] < 1166758084 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!daemon cuss bf8 ----------[++++++++++>,----------]>-[---------[++++++++++>,----------]<[<]>[.>]<[<]<[<]>[.>]++++++++++.-] < 1166758089 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!cuss you bloody wanker < 1166758090 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you bloody wanker you bloody wanker < 1166758104 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!cuss ChanServ < 1166758104 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ChanServ you bloody wanker < 1166758108 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ChanServ < 1166758110 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you bloody wanker < 1166758113 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you bloody wanker < 1166758119 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit < 1166758127 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!undaemon cuss < 1166758178 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: you need to make your bot less dodgy < 1166758215 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!cuss GreaseMonkey < 1166758216 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey you bloody wanker < 1166758245 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: Thank you for being sooooooo specific. < 1166758246 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey, I hate you with all my soul < 1166758279 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, that was OTT < 1166758294 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think "%s you bloody wanker" will suffice < 1166758323 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey, Your mere existance makes me want to hang myself < 1166758355 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: your bot keeps locking up when I punch in miscoded daemons < 1166758412 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please, be less specific. < 1166758564 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1166758941 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok then, SOMETHING IS NOT PERFECT < 1166758979 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!cuss bsmnt_bot < 1166758979 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmnt_bot you bloody wanker < 1166759001 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey, Your face is like a dead rat < 1166759028 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gee, i'm getting a lot of attention < 1166760081 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(x^3+2*(x^2)+3*x)/6 -> div add add mul mul #x #x #x mul mul 2 #x #x mul 3 #x 6 < 1166760119 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gimme a formula, any formula < 1166760144 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1166760148 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e^(pi * i) < 1166760179 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-1 < 1166760190 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, inventing an e function, and a pi constant: e mul $pi #i < 1166760207 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-1 -> -1 < 1166760216 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e is not a function you doofus. < 1166760228 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1166760242 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :m = m' \over {\sqrt{c^2 - v^2}} < 1166760243 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this lang, you have to have a function that calculates e^x < 1166760253 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha-HAH < 1166760269 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x(x+1)(x+2)/6 -> mul mul x add x 1 add x 2 < 1166760276 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x(x+1)(x+2)/6 -> div mul mul x add x 1 add x 2 6 < 1166760278 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's better < 1166760284 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eeeew < 1166760294 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use a stack, stupid < 1166760303 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ei postfix < 1166760308 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no need to mess up rpn < 1166760311 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wrong with CALL? < 1166760363 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :m = m' \over {\sqrt{c^2 - v^2}} -> set m div #m sqrt sub mul #c #c mul #v #v < 1166760401 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or an RPN version: < 1166760402 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RPN > j00 < 1166760424 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(> RPN j00) < 1166760434 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RPN j00 > < 1166760521 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :m = m' \over {\sqrt{c^2 - v^2}} -> #m #c #c mul #v #v mul sub sqrt div m set < 1166760593 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then again, "today" #x "You are feeling very " concat concat print -- that sucks < 1166760627 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i prefer print concat concat "You are feeling very " #x " today" < 1166760633 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FAIL < 1166761213 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :set x "bsmntbombdood-ish" < 1166761361 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Process 1 killed. < 1166761364 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1166761365 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1166761538 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally < 1166761613 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1166761670 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!daemon foo bf8 >----------[++++++++++>,----------]<[<]>[[<+<+>>-]<<[>>+<<-]>>[<.>-]>] < 1166761670 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ctcp #esoteric ACTION is never laggy < 1166761671 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is never laggy
< 1166761673 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1166761676 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!foo poos < 1166761679 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo < 1166761690 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!foo 123 < 1166761691 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) < 1166761697 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1166761702 0 :EgoBot!n=EgoBot@c-24-22-56-63.hsd1.mn.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166761812 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've managed to get it to quit with an "Excess Flood" error < 1166761835 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!daemon idle1 +[,[-]+] < 1166761838 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!daemon idle2 +[,[-]+] < 1166761840 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!daemon idle3 +[,[-]+] < 1166761849 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ps d < 1166761852 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 GreaseMonkey: ps < 1166761858 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!daemon idle1 bf8 +[,[-]+] < 1166761862 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!daemon idle2 bf8 +[,[-]+] < 1166761865 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!daemon idle3 bf8 +[,[-]+] < 1166761867 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!daemon idle4 bf8 +[,[-]+] < 1166761898 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ps d < 1166761899 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ps d < 1166761900 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ps d < 1166761900 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 GreaseMonkey: daemon idle1 bf8 < 1166761902 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 GreaseMonkey: daemon idle1 bf8 < 1166761904 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 GreaseMonkey: daemon idle2 bf8 < 1166761906 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 GreaseMonkey: daemon idle3 bf8 < 1166761908 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 GreaseMonkey: daemon idle4 bf8 < 1166761910 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 GreaseMonkey: ps < 1166761912 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6 GreaseMonkey: ps < 1166761914 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 GreaseMonkey: daemon idle1 bf8 < 1166761916 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 GreaseMonkey: daemon idle2 bf8 < 1166761918 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 GreaseMonkey: daemon idle3 bf8 < 1166761920 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 GreaseMonkey: daemon idle4 bf8 < 1166761922 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 GreaseMonkey: ps < 1166761924 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6 GreaseMonkey: ps < 1166761946 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!daemon idle5 bf8 +[,[-]+] < 1166761949 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!daemon idle6 bf8 +[,[-]+] < 1166761951 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!daemon idle7 bf8 +[,[-]+] < 1166761953 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!daemon idle8 bf8 +[,[-]+] < 1166761957 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!daemon idle9 bf8 +[,[-]+] < 1166761961 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!daemon idle_10 bf8 +[,[-]+] < 1166761964 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!daemon idle_11 bf8 +[,[-]+] < 1166761966 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!daemon idle_12 bf8 +[,[-]+] < 1166761969 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!daemon idle_13 bf8 +[,[-]+] < 1166761973 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf >+++++++++[<++++++++>-]<.>+++++++[<++++>-]<+.+++++++..+++.>>>++++++++[<++++>-]<.>>>++++++++++[<+++++++++>-]<---.<<<<.+++.------.--------.>>+. < 1166761976 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!daemon idle_14 bf8 +[,[-]+] < 1166761976 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello World! < 1166761978 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!daemon idle_15 bf8 +[,[-]+] < 1166761981 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!daemon idle_16 bf8 +[,[-]+] < 1166761984 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ps d < 1166761987 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 GreaseMonkey: daemon idle1 bf8 < 1166761988 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 GreaseMonkey: daemon idle2 bf8 < 1166762049 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen Hello, world! < 1166762090 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :117 +++++++++++++++[>+++++>+++++++>++>+++<<<<-]>---.>----.+++++++..+++.>>-.<++.<++++++++.--------.+++.------.--------.>+. [449] < 1166762119 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ps d < 1166762123 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 GreaseMonkey: daemon idle1 bf8 < 1166762123 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!idle1 foo < 1166762124 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 GreaseMonkey: daemon idle2 bf8 < 1166762127 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 GreaseMonkey: daemon idle3 bf8 < 1166762129 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 GreaseMonkey: daemon idle4 bf8 < 1166762130 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 GreaseMonkey: daemon idle5 bf8 < 1166762133 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6 GreaseMonkey: daemon idle6 bf8 < 1166762135 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :7 GreaseMonkey: daemon idle7 bf8 < 1166762136 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 GreaseMonkey: daemon idle8 bf8 < 1166762138 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :9 GreaseMonkey: daemon idle9 bf8 < 1166762140 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 GreaseMonkey: daemon idle_10 bf8 < 1166762143 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11 GreaseMonkey: daemon idle_11 bf8 < 1166762145 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12 GreaseMonkey: daemon idle_12 bf8 < 1166762146 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13 GreaseMonkey: daemon idle_13 bf8 < 1166762148 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14 GreaseMonkey: daemon idle_14 bf8 < 1166762150 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15 GreaseMonkey: daemon idle_15 bf8 < 1166762152 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16 GreaseMonkey: daemon idle_16 bf8 < 1166762154 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17 GreaseMonkey: ps < 1166762183 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!daemon idel1 ----------[++++++++++>,----------]++++++++++[<]>[.>]<[<]>[.>]<[<]>[.>]<[<]>[.>] < 1166762189 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!daemon idel2 ----------[++++++++++>,----------]++++++++++[<]>[.>]<[<]>[.>]<[<]>[.>]<[<]>[.>] < 1166762192 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!daemon idel3 ----------[++++++++++>,----------]++++++++++[<]>[.>]<[<]>[.>]<[<]>[.>]<[<]>[.>] < 1166762196 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1166762198 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :help ps kill i eof flush show ls bf_txtgen usertrig daemon undaemon < 1166762199 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!idel1 hello fdsajfhjsakdfhljdsahfjaskfdfjdsahfjhajjaksdhkfdsahfds < 1166762200 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!idel2 hello fdsajfhjsakdfhljdsahfjaskfdfjdsahfjhajjaksdhkfdsahfds < 1166762201 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1l 2l adjust axo bch bf{8,[16],32,64} funge93 fyb fybs glass glypho kipple lambda lazyk linguine malbolge pbrain qbf rail rhotor sadol sceql trigger udage01 unlambda whirl < 1166762202 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!idel3 hello fdsajfhjsakdfhljdsahfjaskfdfjdsahfjhajjaksdhkfdsahfds < 1166762203 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1166762204 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1166762207 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1166762212 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!daemon idel1 bf8 ----------[++++++++++>,----------]++++++++++[<]>[.>]<[<]>[.>]<[<]>[.>]<[<]>[.>] < 1166762214 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!malbolge '=a;:?87[543216/SR2+*No-,%*#G4 < 1166762215 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!daemon idel2 bf8 ----------[++++++++++>,----------]++++++++++[<]>[.>]<[<]>[.>]<[<]>[.>]<[<]>[.>] < 1166762216 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello, < 1166762217 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!daemon idel3 bf8 ----------[++++++++++>,----------]++++++++++[<]>[.>]<[<]>[.>]<[<]>[.>]<[<]>[.>] < 1166762221 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!idel1 hello fdsajfhjsakdfhljdsahfjaskfdfjdsahfjhajjaksdhkfdsahfds < 1166762223 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!idel2 hello fdsajfhjsakdfhljdsahfjaskfdfjdsahfjhajjaksdhkfdsahfds < 1166762225 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello fdsajfhjsakdfhljdsahfjaskfdfjdsahfjhajjaksdhkfdsahfds < 1166762225 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!idel3 hello fdsajfhjsakdfhljdsahfjaskfdfjdsahfjhajjaksdhkfdsahfds < 1166762226 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ps d < 1166762227 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello fdsajfhjsakdfhljdsahfjaskfdfjdsahfjhajjaksdhkfdsahfds < 1166762229 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 GreaseMonkey: daemon idle1 bf8 < 1166762231 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 GreaseMonkey: daemon idle2 bf8 < 1166762232 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 GreaseMonkey: daemon idle3 bf8 < 1166762234 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 GreaseMonkey: daemon idle4 bf8 < 1166762237 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 GreaseMonkey: daemon idle5 bf8 < 1166762238 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6 GreaseMonkey: daemon idle6 bf8 < 1166762241 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :7 GreaseMonkey: daemon idle7 bf8 < 1166762242 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 GreaseMonkey: daemon idle8 bf8 < 1166762245 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :9 GreaseMonkey: daemon idle9 bf8 < 1166762247 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 GreaseMonkey: daemon idle_10 bf8 < 1166762249 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11 GreaseMonkey: daemon idle_11 bf8 < 1166762250 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12 GreaseMonkey: daemon idle_12 bf8 < 1166762253 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13 GreaseMonkey: daemon idle_13 bf8 < 1166762255 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14 GreaseMonkey: daemon idle_14 bf8 < 1166762256 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf you doing GreaseMonkey < 1166762257 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15 GreaseMonkey: daemon idle_15 bf8 < 1166762258 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16 GreaseMonkey: daemon idle_16 bf8 < 1166762260 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17 GreaseMonkey: ps < 1166762266 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bugger, no Excess flood :( < 1166762303 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!undaemon idle1 < 1166762305 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Process 1 killed. < 1166762305 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!undaemon idle2 < 1166762306 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!undaemon idle < 1166762306 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Process 2 killed. < 1166762308 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!undaemon idle3 < 1166762309 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Process 3 killed. < 1166762309 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!undaemon idle4 < 1166762310 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!undaemon idle5 < 1166762311 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Process 4 killed. < 1166762312 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!undaemon idle6 < 1166762313 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!undaemon idle7 < 1166762313 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Process 5 killed. < 1166762314 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!undaemon idle8 < 1166762315 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Process 6 killed. < 1166762315 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!undaemon idle9 < 1166762317 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Process 7 killed. < 1166762317 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!undaemon idle_10 < 1166762318 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!undaemon idle_11 < 1166762319 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Process 8 killed. < 1166762320 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Process 9 killed. < 1166762322 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!undaemon idle_12 < 1166762323 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Process 10 killed. < 1166762324 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!undaemon idle_13 < 1166762325 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Process 11 killed. < 1166762326 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!undaemon idle_14 < 1166762327 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Process 12 killed. < 1166762329 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Process 13 killed. < 1166762330 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!undaemon idle_15 < 1166762331 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Process 14 killed. < 1166762332 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!undaemon idle_16 < 1166762333 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Process 15 killed. < 1166762335 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Process 16 killed. < 1166762498 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ctcp GreaseMonkey SMACK < 1166762501 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1166762533 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ctcp GreaseMonkey SMACK < 1166762537 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1166762723 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf +++++++++++++[>+++++++++>++++++++>++++++++>+++++<<<<-]>-.>.---.>+++++.<----.<.>>+++++.<++++++++.>++++++.<----.----.<.-.>>+.----------.<<++.>>>-.<<<++++.>.+++++++.>..>------------------.<<-----.>.>.<-.<<+. < 1166762723 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ctcp bsmntbombdood STOP! Hammertime! < 1166762727 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1166762729 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thematrixeatsyou@yahoo.co.nz < 1166762734 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AH HA! < 1166762767 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other way is to bust this "login" screen: http://greasemonkey.nonlogic.org/inject.php < 1166762795 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://greasemonkey.nonlogic.org/inject.php?success=1 < 1166762803 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was easy... < 1166762855 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep :D < 1166762899 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really easy < 1166762901 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really greasy < 1166762915 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it should foil your average fekkin' spambot < 1166762954 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And your aunt martha < 1166763219 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have an aunt martha < 1166763411 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's a better lisp 99 bottles of beer, properly recursive < 1166763413 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(defun beer (i) (format t "~a bottle~a of beer on the wall, ~a bottle~a of beer. Take one down, pass it around, ~a bottle~a of beer on the wall~%" i (if (> i 1) "s" "") i (if (> i 1) "s" "") (if (> i 1) (- i 1) "no") (if (or (> i 2) (= i 1)) "s" "")) (or (= i 1) (beer (- i 1)))) < 1166763419 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(beer 99) < 1166763697 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :later everybody! I'm officially on vacation! < 1166763702 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :laters < 1166763716 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1166763879 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :define x int for x 0 99 print ifelse eq #x 99 "No more" itoa sub 99 #x print " bottles of beer on the wall," print chr 10 print ifelse eq #x 99 "No more" itoa sub 99 #x print " bottles of beer," print chr 10 print ifelse eq #x 99 concat concat "Go to the store and buy some more," chr 10 "99 bottles of beer on the wall." concat concat "Take one down, pass it around," chr 10 concat ifelse eq #x 98 "No more" sub 98 #x " bottle < 1166763880 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s of beer on the wall." if not eq #x 99 print concat chr 10 chr 10 < 1166763939 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :winner of the most notorious looking lang ever: me. < 1166763952 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :notorious? < 1166763962 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, that'd be for me making RETURN < 1166763981 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT would earn "worst formatting for a lang ever" < 1166764232 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can format it MUCH more nicely though < 1166764993 0 :digital_me!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Lost terminal" < 1166765254 0 :digital_me!n=digital@wikipedia/Digitalme JOIN :#esoteric < 1166765686 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"BBIAB" < 1166765851 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The lunatic is on the grass < 1166765873 0 :digital_me!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course... < 1166765923 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The lunatic is in your mind < 1166765943 0 :digital_me!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, he must be, because there's so much snow I can't see the grass < 1166765957 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1166766159 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's stopping though :( < 1166766377 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bax0r < 1166766764 0 :GregorR!n=GregorR@c-24-22-56-63.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166766860 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!daemon cat reload < 1166766881 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!cat I think he is here. < 1166766884 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1166766906 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!daemon cat bf8 +[,.[-]+] < 1166766908 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!cat I think he is here. < 1166766912 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think he is here. < 1166766931 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I have irssi-proxy running ... < 1166766933 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So let's see ... < 1166766992 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kinda buggy < 1166767156 0 :GregorR-L!n=GregorR-@c-24-22-56-63.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166767161 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1166767249 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8-D < 1166767252 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :irssi-proxy + laptop = one account 8-D < 1166767260 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1166767262 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice, eh? < 1166767349 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8-D = good, 8=D = bad < 1166767360 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1166767838 0 :Jafet!n=Jafet@219.95.0.111 JOIN :#esoteric < 1166768653 0 :Jafet!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1166768808 0 :digital_me!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1166769227 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION now has plofbf :)
< 1166769512 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :code < 1166769570 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll stick in in the dplof tarball :P < 1166769823 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, where are the plof docs again? < 1166769854 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.codu.org/plof/ < 1166769867 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plofbf is in examples/ here: http://www.codu.org/plof/dplof-x86-gnuWlinux-2006-12-21.tar.gz < 1166769975 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird, plof looks quite like tomato < 1166770080 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, what C header has the itoa() and atoi() functions? < 1166770127 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stdlib.h < 1166770134 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except that itoa is not standard C. < 1166770195 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bugger, what linux header? < 1166770206 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no itoa in glibc. < 1166770215 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would be an alternative? < 1166770218 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sprintf < 1166770225 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh shizzle < 1166770230 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i'll have to < 1166770237 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :itoa is a garbage function - it either has a static buffer (bad), or allocates one (bad) < 1166770319 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH, or takes a buffer but doesn't have a limit on the output. < 1166770322 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(snprintf btw) < 1166770332 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is atoi standard? < 1166770335 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1166770343 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :phew < 1166770715 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :step one of my 99 bottles of beer program is complete. < 1166770760 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1166770786 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :define beer funct multi < 1166770786 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :define x int < 1166770786 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for x 0 99 < 1166770791 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : print ifelse eq #x 99 < 1166770791 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : "No more" < 1166770791 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : itoa sub 99 #x < 1166770798 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : print " bottles of beer on the wall," < 1166770798 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : print chr 10 < 1166770798 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : print ifelse eq #x 99 < 1166770810 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : "No more" < 1166770810 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : itoa sub 99 #x < 1166770810 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : print " bottles of beer," < 1166770816 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : print chr 10 < 1166770816 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : print ifelse eq #x 99 < 1166770816 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : concat < 1166770821 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : concat < 1166770821 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Go to the store and buy some more," < 1166770821 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : chr 10 < 1166770826 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : "99 bottles of beer on the wall." < 1166770826 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : concat < 1166770826 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : concat < 1166770832 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Take one down, pass it around," < 1166770832 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : chr 10 < 1166770832 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : concat < 1166770837 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ifelse eq #x 98 < 1166770837 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : "No more" < 1166770837 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : itoa sub 98 #x < 1166770843 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : " bottles of beer on the wall." < 1166770845 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if not eq #x 99 < 1166770847 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : print concat < 1166770849 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : chr 10 < 1166770851 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : chr 10 < 1166770855 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :undef beer < 1166770855 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mend < 1166770865 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He who pastes into IRC channels ... is a jackass. < 1166770870 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to get variables and loops working < 1166771040 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude < 1166771043 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pastebin < 1166771066 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pastebin that shit! < 1166771163 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRC. Just Pastebin It. < 1166771174 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one would you recommend? < 1166771217 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pastebin.ca < 1166771456 0 :anonfunc!n=pimaniac@adsl-70-135-59-64.dsl.chi2ca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166771527 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh crap, my interpreter's cocked up < 1166771723 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What editor do you guys use? < 1166771880 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use KWrite under Linux < 1166771900 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dev-C++ for C and ConTEXT for anything else under Windows < 1166771917 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer ConTEXT though, but I'm lazy < 1166771937 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's the output: < 1166771938 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :99 bottles of beer on the wall, < 1166771938 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :99 bottles of beer, < 1166771938 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :99 bottles of beer on the wall. < 1166773149 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, got some buggy concat code < 1166773262 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1166773328 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.explosm.net/comics/644/ < 1166773408 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Thank you, Punchline Spoiler!" < 1166773454 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.explosm.net/comics/648/ < 1166773468 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a comics with superheroes you _definitely_ don't want to meet in a dark alley < 1166773481 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1166773486 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"LOL!! FAG!!" < 1166773499 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This looks like a job for... Seizure Man!" < 1166773514 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i shud do a webcomic about that < 1166773660 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder about this one: http://www.explosm.net/comics/436/ < 1166773709 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1166773743 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :superheroes.... http://www.explosm.net/comics/431/ < 1166773778 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.explosm.net/comics/652/\ < 1166773780 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.explosm.net/comics/652/ < 1166774137 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh, it sounds like thunder outside < 1166774220 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet < 1166774257 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude < 1166774286 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet < 1166774399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1166774400 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1166774816 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gonna go, bye < 1166774882 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"for i 0 sub arraycount #nicklist 1 print concat concat "Bye " arrayvalue #nicklist "!"" < 1166775442 0 :dbc!n=dbc@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1166775468 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sings "When I got back to Buffalo...you were the last thing on my mind."
< 1166775481 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sings "Oh, when I got back to Buffalo you were the last thing on my mind."
< 1166775521 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sings "If you'd been the first thing, baby, why'd I have left you behind?"
< 1166777819 0 :anonfunc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1166777872 0 :ShadowHntr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"End of line." < 1166777954 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1166782530 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1166782530 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1166782530 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1166782531 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1166782531 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1166782531 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1166782533 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1166782533 0 :sekhmet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1166782533 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1166782533 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1166782533 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1166782534 0 :cmeme!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1166782534 0 :ivan`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1166782534 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1166782534 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1166782534 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1166782534 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1166782535 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1166782535 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1166785461 0 :ihope_!n=foo@c-71-205-100-59.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166785461 0 :sekhmet!n=pez@ppp-70-226-146-102.dsl.mdsnwi.ameritech.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166785461 0 :Sukoshi!n=user@user-11faadf.dsl.mindspring.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1166785461 0 :mtve!n=imtve@mtve.vm.jvds.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1166785461 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@about/copyleft/user/bsmntbombdood JOIN :#esoteric < 1166785461 0 :GregorR!n=GregorR@c-24-22-56-63.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166785461 0 :dbc!n=dbc@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1166785479 0 :pgimeno!n=pgimeno@124.Red-80-59-211.staticIP.rima-tde.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166785479 0 :EgoBot!n=EgoBot@c-24-22-56-63.hsd1.mn.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166785479 0 :bsmnt_bot!n=bsmnt@abacus.kwzs.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1166785481 0 :cmeme!n=cmeme@boa.b9.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1166785481 0 :ivan`!i=ivan@wikipedia/ivan JOIN :#esoteric < 1166785481 0 :sp3tt!n=sp3tt@80-162.cust.umeaenergi.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1166785485 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@122.46.198.22 JOIN :#esoteric < 1166785485 0 :lament!n=lament@S010600110999ad06.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166785488 0 :CakeProphet!n=CakeProp@151.213.246.232 JOIN :#esoteric < 1166785488 0 :tokigun!n=tokigun@143.248.234.145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1166785488 0 :lindi-!n=lindi@81.17.193.150 JOIN :#esoteric < 1166785488 0 :SimonRC!n=sc@bylands.dur.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1166785498 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tada! < 1166785509 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been left alone with two bots < 1166785514 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was scary < 1166785878 0 :okokoko!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :molester. < 1166786853 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1166786881 0 :pgimeno!n=pgimeno@124.Red-80-59-211.staticIP.rima-tde.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166788698 0 :s1nt4x!n=s1n@dsl-242-72-54.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1166788752 0 :s1nt4x!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1166790096 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host81-158-88-90.range81-158.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1166793074 0 :DDustin!n=Dustin@allegro/user/DDustin JOIN :#esoteric < 1166793222 0 :DDustin!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1166793932 0 :gerard_!n=gerard@ip503c52b0.speed.planet.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1166795900 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip72-200-73-175.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166795928 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1166795930 0 :vicrattlehead!n=vicrattl@82-33-78-113.cable.ubr02.trow.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1166796179 0 :vicrattlehead!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please someone send me moneys < 1166796233 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what language is that? < 1166796234 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error: expected 1 parameters: recipient address < 1166796248 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1166796264 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: good try.. we need a language spec < 1166797664 0 :tgwizard!n=tgwizard@c-9b3ee155.178-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1166798030 0 :puddy_!n=puddy@p5495EA4C.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166798470 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1166798474 0 :Mahjong!n=Mahjong@p549BF72C.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166798510 0 :Mahjong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is 5 / 2 , please help me < 1166798562 0 :puddy_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.5 < 1166798583 0 :Mahjong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please say "Hello, World!" < 1166798600 0 :puddy_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, World! < 1166798612 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please be inventive! < 1166798715 0 :Mahjong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$Asztal@localmahong%: < 1166799573 0 :Mahjong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1166799674 0 :Mahjong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaa < 1166801255 0 :jix_!n=jix@L63b4.l.strato-dslnet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1166803082 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please prove Malbolge Turing complete. < 1166803720 0 :gerard_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it probably is < 1166803727 0 :gerard_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Malbolge < 1166803992 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can't be because of the bounded memory < 1166804224 0 :gerard_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, thats true < 1166804226 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it probably is if extended with a special "back in the I/O stream" command (Lou Scheffer suggests writing 2222222222t to the output string to signal that) < 1166804236 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/string/stream/ < 1166804255 0 :gerard_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but most people consider currents computers turing complete < 1166804266 0 :gerard_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they still have bounden memory < 1166804271 0 :gerard_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bounded* < 1166804305 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, everybody knows that memory is unbounded... seen Gmail's counter? :P < 1166804357 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a RAID mirror system with hot swap you can extend memory on-the-fly, so there's no practical limit ;) < 1166804476 0 :gerard_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you mean 'theoretical limit' ;) < 1166804540 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j/k < 1166804585 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course there's a maximum sector address for a given architecture < 1166804647 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: not if you use variable length offset fields < 1166804676 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should have specified "for currently available architectures" < 1166804724 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sorry) < 1166804976 0 :gerard_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it still isnt very practical to swap those disks, that is what I ment < 1166805296 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :GregorR-W < 1166805377 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you would run out of materials to build disks! < 1166805471 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1166805923 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :GregorR < 1166806062 0 :gerard_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1166807141 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Be back in a sec" < 1166807161 0 :GregorR!n=GregorR@c-24-22-56-63.hsd1.mn.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166807620 0 :digital_me!n=digital@wikipedia/Digitalme JOIN :#esoteric < 1166808275 0 :wezyap!n=jkaslskj@216-51-254.7001.adsl.tele2.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1166808296 0 :wezyap!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1166808303 0 :wezyap!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wats up? < 1166808515 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error: Interpreter does not accept slang. < 1166808537 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warning: `wats' is interpreted as `what's' < 1166808584 0 :wezyap!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, time for some debuging then < 1166808698 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks to me like your interpreter just accepted slang by translating it appropriately, Sukoshi. < 1166808721 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it interpreted `wats' as a spelling error. < 1166808778 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmmf. I need to code some more CL stuff. I've spent too long too close to C code. < 1166809437 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've spent too long in C#... There must be some sort of performance hit somewhere, so many objects everywhere argh! < 1166809748 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION pities Asztal.
< 1166809758 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least I never had to go there :P < 1166809767 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weeeh, Plof! < 1166809768 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1166810075 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to look at Plof some time. < 1166810077 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must try doing something serious in ORK some day. < 1166810088 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ Both never going to happen due to laziness. < 1166810093 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But right now, I'm deferring all my schoolwork for coding work, so Plof will be more of a distraction. < 1166810098 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hehehe. < 1166812150 0 :wezyap!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1166812237 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please give me a program in malbolge to show the result of 2 ** 16 < 1166812297 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :#esoteric - the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment - map: http://www.frappr.com/esolang - forum: http://esolangs.org/forum/ - EgoBot: !help - wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/ - logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ or http://meme.b9.com/cdates.html?channel=esoteric - for brainfuck-specific discussion, go to ##brainfuck - NO IRP ALLOWED < 1166813313 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow GregorR. < 1166813320 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1166813320 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Banning your own creation? < 1166813331 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes - I have created a monster. < 1166813349 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The creator of Frankenstein said so too. < 1166813362 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, we got a cool novel and a bunch of overdone tasteless horror movies from it. < 1166813365 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, Frankenstein said so about his creation. < 1166813383 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What you say?! < 1166813391 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Frankenstein's monster. < 1166813396 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frankenstein is the doctor. < 1166813396 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What you say?! < 1166813398 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What you say?! < 1166813412 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1166813446 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/creator/author/ < 1166813462 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh < 1166813531 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What you say?! < 1166813541 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION punches Sukoshi.
< 1166813572 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey. You shouldn't hit girls. < 1166813592 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm no sexist, I'll punch anybody ;) < 1166813603 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- Darn you! < 1166813604 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm only quoting Slipstick Libby. < 1166813639 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Methusalah's Children, near the end, Lazarus tells Libby that next they'll ban sex, and Libby says ``What you say?! What hell!'' < 1166813653 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1166813661 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also quoted in Zero Wing :P < 1166813668 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That too. < 1166813704 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I and some friends at school were thinking of making a play production we'd do in front of everyone at school preseting the Zero Wing bad translation beginning. < 1166813710 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted to be Katz. < 1166813729 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahahaha < 1166813753 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, who doesen't want to face a bunch of people and say ``Good Evening Gentlemen. All Your Base Are Belong To Us. Make your time!'' < 1166813777 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HA HA HA HA < 1166813794 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1166813799 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO IRP ALLOWED < 1166813813 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Syntax Error: IRP must go on. < 1166813814 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please tell me, why is "NO IRP ALLOWED" in the topic? < 1166813827 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: Take a look at the IRP spam. < 1166813840 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arrrrrrrrrgh < 1166813846 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You responded to the IRP command :P < 1166813860 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1166813861 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup ;) < 1166813863 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO IRP ALLOWED means you can't ask anyone to do anything ;) < 1166813873 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Fetch me a sandwhich. < 1166813884 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pfft, who eats sandwiches. < 1166813893 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What you say?! < 1166813909 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please write this exact line to this channel. < 1166813909 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please write this exact line to this channel. < 1166813913 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1166813914 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What you say?! < 1166813944 0 :wezyap!n=jkaslskj@216-51-254.7001.adsl.tele2.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1166813953 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please, write the 99 bottles lyrics < 1166813961 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1166813968 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hooplah, the ban works! < 1166813973 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1166813978 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmnt_bot will do it for me < 1166813992 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somebody set up us the bot! < 1166814027 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!malbolge '=a;:?87[543216/SR2+*No-,%*#G4 < 1166814030 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello, < 1166814048 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EgoBot's back!!!!!111111oneoneoneenoenoeno!!!! < 1166814069 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's running under nice -n10 slox 25 :P < 1166814076 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh. < 1166814091 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh GregorR, does Plof have lexical or dynamic bindings, or both? < 1166814139 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Completely dynamic. < 1166814168 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awww. < 1166814169 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, variables have to be declared explicitly, so it acts and looks a lot like lexical scoping. < 1166814187 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's nifty. < 1166814201 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the object system of Plof message passing? < 1166814234 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, it's prototype-based like JS ... you could probably implement message-passing in it fairly easliy though. < 1166814243 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wishes it wasn't in D
< 1166814258 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to study a simple interpreter like it < 1166814300 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: dplof is not only a simple interpreter, but a ridiculously terrible one :) < 1166814302 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is D really that different from C? < 1166814320 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, quite a bit. < 1166814326 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D has loads of things I love. < 1166814337 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, different enough that you can't read it? < 1166814349 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh - nah, any C user could probably read D. < 1166814358 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D is wannabe c++ < 1166814362 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :................ < 1166814365 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D is better than C++ < 1166814368 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hides
< 1166814374 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION didn't mean that seriously
< 1166814375 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And this is coming from a C++-ophile. < 1166814376 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anything that wants to be C++ needs to dip itself in HCl. < 1166814385 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ is terrible < 1166814394 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ gets a bad rap. < 1166814408 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sorry, I've seen too many cases where you have to use stupid templates and std::bs types that could be more effeciently wrapped in a struct. < 1166814424 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once attempted to generate a SWIG wrapper for a C++ library. I failed. < 1166814447 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My issue with C++ is that many tihngs require you to delve pretty deep into the bowels of pointer arithmetic and the like. < 1166814456 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pointers are fun < 1166814459 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In comparison to C? < 1166814461 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mind you, pointer arithmetic is OK. < 1166814472 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi: Nah, in comparison to other-OO-language-X. < 1166814476 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh ;D < 1166814490 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh, you can OOP in C just fine < 1166814491 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C is awesome because it's like a portable assembly language that's easy to write in :) < 1166814504 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been working on low-level stuff for the last few days pretty intensely, so I've been doing a lot of pointer arithmetic. < 1166814517 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: yep < 1166814521 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D is awesome because all the OO is very sane, but it doesn't prevent you from delving deep. It just doesn't /require/ you to. < 1166814522 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At one point a parser, so, pure pointer arithmetic there :). < 1166814570 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've only written parsers in yacc < 1166814586 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was a fairly simple parser, not complex enough to need yacc. < 1166814619 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, that didn't stop me from getting it wrong quite a few times :D < 1166814669 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man. A WM in 76 lines. < 1166814671 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So awesome. < 1166814686 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? < 1166814694 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1166814699 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TinyWM? < 1166814704 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. The CL version. < 1166814717 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python version, c version... < 1166814788 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I'm taking a small hiatus from C to begin work on a WM. < 1166814798 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'll be back with it later this afternoon. < 1166814826 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got any screenshots of TinyWM? < 1166814836 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hold on. I'm about to run it in Xnest. < 1166814852 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Xephyr is better :P] < 1166814859 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh? What's that? < 1166814865 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION loves ion
< 1166814868 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the new Xnest. < 1166814878 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it supports virtually every X estension on any host. < 1166814917 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awesome. < 1166814921 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ion is too complicated. < 1166814939 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This'll borrow ideas from Ion, Ratpoison (StumpWM), and CLFSWM. < 1166814961 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, Xnest is an old piece of poop. < 1166814981 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's CLSLFIUJDSFKMM? < 1166814982 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember seeing bits of EgoBot in Google CodeSearch < 1166815007 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guh. Where's the source. < 1166815015 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Common Lisp FS Window Manager. < 1166815020 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember what FS means :P < 1166815056 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stupid Xephyr. < 1166815119 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. It's part of the Xorg package? < 1166815121 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: Whoah, seriously? < 1166815124 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi: Yeah. < 1166815129 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugggh. Why can't they package the source on its own -_-'' < 1166815135 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi: I know X_X < 1166815218 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope the Xorg source isn't large. < 1166815244 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who am I kidding. It's probably gigantic. < 1166815264 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi: You know they split Xorg into a bunch of autotool'd packages, right? < 1166815274 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh.... < 1166815276 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Cough* < 1166815294 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xorg-server is a "mere" 6MB < 1166815312 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wow. < 1166815496 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UGGGH. Xorg has moved to git? < 1166815504 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just grabbed the CVS source -_- < 1166815513 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not just grab release 7.1? < 1166815523 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. Yah. < 1166815535 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the meantime, I'll use Xnest. < 1166815559 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good idea ;) < 1166816655 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.com/codesearch?hl=en&q=show:s9pyp5f3bCU:mOLPvmN6QCU&cs_p=http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/files/egobot/egobot-0.12.tar.bz2&cs_f=/egobot-0.12 < 1166816663 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1166816740 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah, cool < 1166816890 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Egobot is ewww. < 1166816898 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1166816905 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!cat eeew < 1166816909 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eeew < 1166816919 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!cat It's not my fault :'( < 1166816923 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not my fault :'( < 1166816938 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You really love signals, don't you GregorR ? < 1166816963 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :signals, eh? < 1166816968 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come now, I didn't use signals that much in EgoBot. < 1166816973 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just to kill processes et cetera. < 1166816981 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh :P < 1166816986 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait... that's C++ code? < 1166816991 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1166817001 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where's the abstract-hell templates and the obfuscated C++-only constructs? < 1166817007 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT SORT OF A C++ CODER ARE YOU?! < 1166817017 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The kind that came from a C traditoin. < 1166817019 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*tradition < 1166817042 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU FIEND! WHY AREN'T YOU USING BOOST?! < 1166817050 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm boost < 1166817063 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blegg @ boost < 1166817074 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Great for boosting those compile times :) < 1166817103 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAH XD < 1166817131 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CLEVAR! < 1166817215 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;D < 1166818373 0 :Mahjong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need a Random Number between 1 and 15 please :) < 1166818399 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1166818417 0 :Mahjong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx 'compiler' < 1166818430 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe 7? < 1166818434 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm undecided < 1166818438 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19 < 1166818468 0 :Mahjong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19 isnt between 1 and 15 choose other number < 1166818485 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec self.raw("PRIVMSG #esoteric :%s" % __import__("random").randint(1,15)) < 1166818485 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 < 1166818487 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1166818539 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec self.raw("PRIVMSG #esoteric :%s" % __import__("random").randint(1,15)) < 1166818539 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6 < 1166818541 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1166818547 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there, you have 2 < 1166818559 0 :Mahjong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1166818597 0 :wooby!n=alan@cpe-66-67-60-51.rochester.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1166818604 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1166819169 0 :okokoko!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[22:11:40] 6 < 1166819170 0 :okokoko!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[22:11:42] Huh? < 1166819174 0 :okokoko!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love EgoBot xD < 1166819262 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec self.raw("PRIVMSG #esoteric :%s" % __import__("random").randint(1,15)) < 1166819263 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :7 < 1166819264 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1166819349 0 :tgwizard!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1166819825 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec self.raw("PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh?") < 1166819828 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1166819828 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1166819831 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1166819839 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He knows python! < 1166820172 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1166820240 0 :Mahjong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec self.raw("PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lol") < 1166820242 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1166820254 0 :Mahjong!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec self.raw("MSG #esoteric :Lol") < 1166820258 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1166820282 0 :okokoko!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmnt why isn't your bot public :( < 1166820305 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I don't want to get screwed... < 1166820381 0 :okokoko!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DD < 1166820392 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec self.raw("PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lol") < 1166820392 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lol < 1166820394 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1166820750 0 :Mahjong!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Verlassend" < 1166821355 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Bitte waehlen Sie eine Beerdigungnachricht" < 1166821445 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GRRR < 1166821455 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is Xnest rejecting connections?! < 1166821529 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darn you legacy apps. Darn you all to HECK! < 1166821780 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I laugh at your pain < 1166821788 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X is such a mess < 1166821857 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. -ac is what makes it work. < 1166821864 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.... An option mysteriously not present in the manpage. < 1166822036 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.... Maybe it's time I compile Xephyr. < 1166822067 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you doing? < 1166822187 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TinyWM. < 1166822221 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just run another xserver? < 1166822284 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know... you may be right! < 1166822293 0 :wezyap!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1166822355 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm lost when it comes to x stuff < 1166822514 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't worry. X is a horrible mess. < 1166822530 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.... Does *everyone* use the same autoconf script? < 1166822562 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seriously wonder if any code is even written with g77 nowadays. < 1166823117 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woooh, Fortran rulz! :P < 1166823280 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I found a book on it at our local book store. < 1166823285 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FORTRAN 2002 and one on COBOL. < 1166823296 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was contemplating on buyng the COBOL book just to burn it. < 1166823341 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to learn fortran once < 1166823363 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's worth learning still because it's still fast. < 1166823371 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like Pascal and ALGOL. < 1166823393 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the book I got from the library was from way back < 1166823408 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ei the punch card days < 1166823449 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait, can you read this? < 1166823466 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could you read that? < 1166823483 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1166823575 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Like Pascal and ALGOL. < 1166823578 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could you read that? < 1166823628 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah... < 1166824013 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO! < 1166824024 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My keyboard went AWOL on me, on 32 days of uptime. < 1166824045 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your keyboard is absent? < 1166824050 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then how are you entering text? < 1166824052 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any way to get it to work with a PS/2 keyboard again without a restart? < 1166824053 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SSH. < 1166824068 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What OS? < 1166824074 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux.... < 1166824085 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It may be a module, and therefore it may be possible to unload it, maybe :) < 1166824099 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... I don't think I compiled it as a module ;-; < 1166824112 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go groping around in /proc then X-P < 1166824132 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darn you! < 1166824264 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :きみのってないわよ！！！ < 1166824271 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seeeeeeeeeee < 1166824284 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This 'aint fair! < 1166824345 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guh.... I'll restart.... < 1166824377 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My dear, dear uptime! < 1166824768 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've always been able to hotplug ps/2 keyboards < 1166824995 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SCORE! < 1166825005 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wasn't the keyboard (which seems to be hotpluggable :P). < 1166825028 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Xvesa left my stuff inoperable, and it seemed restarting it did the trick. < 1166825060 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've always been able to hotplug ps/2 keyboards, too, but officially you can fry components by doing it, if you're unlucky enough. < 1166825070 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 15:00:28 up 26 days, 3:27, 21 users, load average: 1.17, 1.40, 1.50 < 1166825074 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1166825109 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guh. The machine is refusing to go back to a usable state if I kill Xvesa. < 1166825117 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm... how to make it gracefully exit.... < 1166825120 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 00:00:46 up 205 days, 23:24, 4 users, load average: 0.01, 0.01, 0.00 < 1166825130 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather, the physical terminal is refusing to go back to a usable state. < 1166825137 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My load average says it's not doing much. < 1166825156 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 14:01:46 up 38 days, 7:06, 14 users, load average: 1.63, 1.87, 1.82 < 1166825268 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guh... < 1166825302 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shell-init: error retrieving current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent directories: Permission denied < 1166825305 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3:04PM up 11 days, 22:14, 2 users, load averages: 0.27, 0.14, 0.09 < 1166825314 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha, that's /exec -o for ya < 1166825410 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, now let's see how I can kill Xvesa while keeping access to my physical peripherals. < 1166825723 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, uh... I'm not sure. < 1166825733 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only thing I guess I can do is nice -n 20 it. < 1166825769 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Piece of poop Xserver. < 1166825868 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Success! < 1166825895 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason, if you give Xvesa the vt argument, it locks up and dies, but if you give it a tty argument, it's fine. < 1166825934 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I just wasted 30 minutes preserving my uptime. That makes me feel.... wholesome inside. < 1166826026 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1166826348 0 :vicrattlehead!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1166826568 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, TinyWM has no window decorations. < 1166826729 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1166826734 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :screen shot? < 1166826749 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hold on then. < 1166827549 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhhh..... < 1166827553 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got wiggling windows? < 1166828304 0 :digital_me!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi: in TinyWM? < 1166828446 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1166828462 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something about resize/move is not working correctly. < 1166828539 0 :wooby!n=alan@cpe-66-67-60-51.rochester.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1166830087 0 :ihope__!n=foo@c-71-205-100-59.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166830144 0 :ihope__!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ihope < 1166830167 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1166831141 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1166833310 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf61f7.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166833685 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh... wut < 1166833738 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a hash table which most definitely contains my value which is {19375}... yet the hash table says it doesn't contain it! < 1166833802 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I even checked its internal stuff, and it's definitely there, with the same hash code as the list I'm using to look the value up... it's all lies, I hate debugging :P < 1166833926 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm. How should I have read() read the socket to search for a newline? What if the next newline is past the end of the receiving buffer? < 1166833928 0 :okokoko!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :owned < 1166834118 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have 2 buffers, read everything you can from the first into the second, and then try to read whole lines out of the second whenever you get more data? < 1166834535 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Increase the size of the buffer whenever you get a short read. < 1166834588 0 :wooby!n=alan@cpe-66-67-60-51.rochester.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1166834698 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use line buffering? < 1166834859 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What socket? < 1166835156 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And how does one read a line from a socket < 1166835157 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1166835173 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's always confused me < 1166835203 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Generally you read until you get a '\n' < 1166835212 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, that's how I'd do it < 1166835402 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well...yeah < 1166835408 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But buffering < 1166835492 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't just read one character at a time < 1166835832 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION currently has SpySheriff installed
< 1166835839 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone want me to make a screenshot tour? < 1166835996 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1166837052 0 :puddy_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please download debian sarge, burn it to dvd and deliver it to my home < 1166837518 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=thematri@222-152-173-242.jetstream.xtra.co.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1166837638 0 :ihope_!n=foo@c-71-205-100-59.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166837684 0 :ihope__!n=foo@c-71-205-100-59.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166838206 0 :ihope__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/06.08.09" < 1166838552 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1166838617 0 :ihope!n=ihope@c-71-205-100-59.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166838623 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perfect! < 1166838654 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pudding rust monster invisible monster vampire mummy snake gnome! < 1166838732 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Newt centaur dwarf ant nymph snake floating eye rat vortex... < 1166838743 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1166838755 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, #nethack would be a better place to babble incoherently in. < 1166838938 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1166839053 0 :wooby!n=alan@cpe-66-67-49-66.rochester.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1166839060 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1166839161 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not necessarily: {-\+{--!.($--=*::[__]&1.2)/\1}++'a'--}_main < 1166839304 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... < 1166839329 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should construct a Lisp interpreter in Python... that lets me execute it and return a value. < 1166839351 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Python. < 1166839477 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like the hardest part would be choosing the data representation < 1166839504 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1166840085 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gonna reboot into windows, recording stuff < 1166840119 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1166840167 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1166840170 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@122.46.198.22 JOIN :#esoteric < 1166840599 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't even want to attempt a Lisp interpreter. < 1166840630 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe maybe a Scheme interpreter some day when I'm feeling adventurous, but it's an insane amount of work. < 1166840679 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was sort of assuming a full Common Lisp implementation was not intended :) < 1166840700 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even just the semantics. < 1166840722 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CL, being dirty, is going to be harder to write semantics for than Scheme. < 1166840755 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the other hand, writing interpreters in Lisp are a lot easier. < 1166840837 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*is a lot easier. < 1166841572 0 :Razor-X!n=user@user-11faadf.dsl.mindspring.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1166841579 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1166842054 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guh. I don't like that sound. < 1166842063 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll give my machine a rest. < 1166842068 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1166842712 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1166842760 0 :puddy_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1166843610 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1166850173 0 :digital_me!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1166850173 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1166850174 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1166850174 0 :sekhmet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1166850176 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1166850176 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1166850187 0 :GregorR!n=GregorR@c-24-22-56-63.hsd1.mn.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166850187 0 :digital_me!n=digital@wikipedia/Digitalme JOIN :#esoteric < 1166850187 0 :sekhmet!n=pez@ppp-70-226-146-102.dsl.mdsnwi.ameritech.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166850187 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf61f7.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166850187 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@about/copyleft/user/bsmntbombdood JOIN :#esoteric < 1166850187 0 :mtve!n=imtve@mtve.vm.jvds.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1166850601 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1166853026 0 :anonfunc!n=pimaniac@adsl-70-135-59-64.dsl.chi2ca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166854059 0 :digital_me!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1166858169 0 :anonfunc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1166860722 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1166860724 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OISC < 1166860799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1166860800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1166860895 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION likey
< 1166870273 0 :wooby!n=alan@cpe-66-67-60-51.rochester.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1166871811 0 :jix_!n=jix@L623c.l.strato-dslnet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1166871898 0 :okokoko!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.quinapalus.com/wi-java.html < 1166871902 0 :okokoko!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone kill me :( < 1166871995 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokoko: i get just black background with gappletviewer-4.1 h < 1166872019 0 :okokoko!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ie is the only one i got it working with < 1166872023 0 :okokoko!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1166872044 0 :okokoko!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.quinapalus.com/wi-java.html < 1166872047 0 :okokoko!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1166872050 0 :okokoko!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i see < 1166872065 0 :okokoko!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.quinapalus.com/wi-index.html < 1166872074 0 :okokoko!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the copy-paste doesn't work :\ < 1166872081 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use gnu screen < 1166872094 0 :okokoko!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me windows-boy < 1166872098 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now away, please send me the source and i'll take a look < 1166872127 0 :okokoko!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1166872128 0 :okokoko!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will < 1166872290 0 :okokoko!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i couln't send it < 1166872317 0 :okokoko!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's coded in wireworld tho, so i'm not sure if you'd enjoy the source that much < 1166872461 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could learn < 1166872869 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, wireworld. Now that was funky. < 1166873251 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kind-of reminds me of the OpenTTD logic nastiness. < 1166873690 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wireworld is so funny < 1166873727 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :playing with electrons, designing your own components < 1166873800 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately the best Wireworld implementation I've known was for Windows and not very advanced (quite fast though) < 1166874077 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xlife claims to support Wireworld but the rules are incorrect < 1166874178 0 :okokoko!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can implement wireworld yourself in half an hour < 1166874192 0 :okokoko!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty simple < 1166874205 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a fast and comfortable implementation though < 1166874211 0 :okokoko!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? < 1166874211 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it's simple < 1166874227 0 :okokoko!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well an editor will take long < 1166874228 0 :okokoko!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wure < 1166874231 0 :okokoko!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*s < 1166874251 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you need to track the positions of the electrons separately in order to speed the calculations up < 1166874256 0 :okokoko!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and prolly you'd like to make something, not just watch, so wtf am i whining < 1166874269 0 :okokoko!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's easy < 1166874294 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a 1/2 hour project (for me anyway, I'm a bit slow programming) < 1166874294 0 :okokoko!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's the only optimization i can think of < 1166874306 0 :okokoko!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slow bit programming < 1166874313 0 :okokoko!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's wireworld < 1166874316 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1166874318 0 :okokoko!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1166874382 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, thinking about it, you also have to track electron tails if you don't want to leave 'stale' trails < 1166874481 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. when two electrons annihilate each other (as if one of them were a positron) there's a state in which the tails remain < 1166874516 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can track "interesting regions". And if you _really_ want to optimize, you can analyze the device. Replace wires with delays, so no need to compute the individual electron-movement-transitions. Maybe even recognize recognizable logic gates. < 1166874549 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in half an hour? :D < 1166874557 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, of course not. < 1166874566 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe, I know, just kidding < 1166874613 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's harder to see it in movement then < 1166874653 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION considers taking a look at xlife's source to see if he can hack some true-Wireworld code
< 1166874659 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but obviously you want your wireworld "code" run as fast as inhumanly possible; after all, why did you write it in wireworld if efficiency wasn't an issue? < 1166874724 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, you're right, I should write a wireworld *compiler* < 1166874807 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even better, build the circuits with electronic components instead < 1166874929 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could write a wireworld-to-fpga thing. Although then you'd probably actually need to recognize the function of all blocks in the "source", I don't think emulating the wireworld rules with a fpga would work very well. < 1166875444 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular, xlife uses a Von Neumann neighbourhood < 1166875456 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xlife's implementation of Wireworld, I mean < 1166875802 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah, xlife is too buggy < 1166876036 0 :tgwizard!n=tgwizard@c-9b3ee155.178-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1166876759 0 :Puddy_!n=puddy@p5495D520.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166877827 0 :ivan`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1166877857 0 :Puddy_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it." < 1166877861 0 :ivan`!i=ivan@wikipedia/ivan JOIN :#esoteric < 1166882563 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host81-158-88-90.range81-158.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1166884923 0 :CakeProphet_!n=CakeProp@h232.246.213.151.ip.alltel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166885357 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) < 1166885523 0 :CakeProphet_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :CakeProphet < 1166887978 0 :aduket!i=aduket@195.174.89.78 JOIN :#esoteric < 1166889622 0 :aduket!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"So long, and thanks for all the fish." < 1166891558 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1166892296 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"haaaaaaaaaa" < 1166893976 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1166894710 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host81-158-88-90.range81-158.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1166895127 0 :Sukoshi!n=user@user-11faadf.dsl.mindspring.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1166900414 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you do IO without adding an instruction for it? < 1166900602 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Memory mapped I think, but how does the intrepreter know when to output? < 1166900915 0 :ihope!n=ns@c-71-205-100-59.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166900921 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you just catch any and all writes/reads to the special addresses? < 1166900951 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want an enzyme language. It'd be fun. < 1166900986 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: How do you do memory mapped io? < 1166901004 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In an enzyme language? < 1166901007 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1166901028 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's often just catching reading and writing to certain addresses, yeah. < 1166901059 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it'd just catch writing, and then it'd automatically write things into memory. < 1166901465 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION starts coding
< 1166902668 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yeah, enzymes. (enzymes - inhibitors) `max` cofactors = active enzymes, and an active enzyme performs whatever chemical reaction every tick. < 1166902728 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every possible input has a chemical, and every possible output has a chemical. < 1166902738 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If something can be both input and output, it has two chemicals. < 1166902795 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there's also a chemical called inputose. Whenever something is input, one unit of inputose is converted to the input chemical. < 1166902849 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If an output chemical is ever generated, it is immediately removed and the corresponding thing is output. < 1166902953 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty simple. < 1166903226 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's more usefull, number output or ascii output? < 1166903269 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't output ASCII by outputting numbers. < 1166903275 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can output numbers by outputting ASCII. < 1166903318 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1166905039 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm < 1166905073 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is confused
< 1166905335 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :confusion over < 1166905397 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :octet output sounds even more useful < 1166905410 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm? < 1166905434 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you could output e.g. JPEG images too < 1166905817 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make it configurable! < 1166906369 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That too. < 1166906544 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1166907074 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay for regexs! < 1166907080 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host81-158-88-90.range81-158.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1166907388 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Chatzilla 0.9.75 [IceWeasel 1.0.1b2] (kidding!)" < 1166908045 0 :ivan`_!i=ivan@wikipedia/ivan JOIN :#esoteric < 1166908573 0 :CakeProphet!n=CakeProp@h14.250.213.151.ip.alltel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166909179 0 :ivan`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1166909181 0 :ivan`_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ivan` < 1166911226 0 :ivan`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1166911267 0 :ivan`!i=ivan@wikipedia/ivan JOIN :#esoteric < 1166913440 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :done with the very fragile and slow assembler < 1166913670 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@c-75-70-126-209.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166913683 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now debugging the crappy vm < 1166913752 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is releasing a fully documented build of BFM, along with a build of Basm using current best practices, as soon as he fixes a bug that's suddenly popped up.
< 1166913813 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. . . Yes. I'm going to have a *documented* version of BFM. Crazy, no? < 1166914114 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crazy < 1166914131 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now BFM is even well-designed, too. < 1166914162 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guilty of a crime against Esome, due to this craziness, no doubt. < 1166914552 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG IT WORKS < 1166914560 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION applaudes
< 1166914563 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION takes off his pants and dances
< 1166914570 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks away
< 1166914624 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION puts them back on
< 1166914718 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm < 1166914767 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it not work so good < 1166914930 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1166914957 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's because you took off your pants. < 1166914964 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I put them back on! < 1166914993 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the program's still suffering from PTSD. < 1166915105 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PTSD? < 1166915196 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Post-traumatic stress disorder. < 1166915202 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaah < 1166915310 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :step < 1166915312 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooops < 1166916185 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my opinion, once a language is proven Turing-complete, it's done. < 1166916198 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: Then BFM was done months ago. < 1166916209 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: um no < 1166916212 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that I don't like to see fancy new languages that are obviously Turing-complete. :-) < 1166916224 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, when I wrote brainfucktobfm.tcl. . .. < 1166916338 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woot fixed it < 1166916352 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assembler didn't calculate offsets right < 1166916497 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, I have an assembler and virtual machine for an OISC < 1166916531 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sample code: http://pastebin.ca/290377 < 1166916532 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice. < 1166916544 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that reads a char, adds one, prints it out < 1166916552 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then prints a newline < 1166916741 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bsmntbombdood.mooo.com/oisc.tar.gz , be careful, the assembler and vm are both fragile, no error checking < 1166916872 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION will probably want to fix that for you some time
< 1166916932 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one instruction is "subtract and branch if not positive", by the way < 1166916955 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Go right ahead < 1166916991 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: Need something to do tonight. ;) < 1166917029 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1166917037 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A line of "a b c": says contents of b = contents of b minus contents of a; if b <= 0, jump to c < 1166917057 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously. ;) < 1166917066 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OI(S)C ... < 1166917089 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah < 1166917100 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that the new b or the old b? < 1166917100 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Soon, I will have a documented BFM build. I won't have to answer as many questions. < 1166917103 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hallelujah. < 1166917107 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: new b < 1166917113 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://bsmntbombdood.mooo.com/oisc.tar.gz < 1166917120 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I mean in the comparison of course. < 1166917140 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if (b = b-a <= 0) goto c; < 1166917155 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like that? < 1166917157 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lindi-: not quite < 1166917172 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if (*b = *b-*a <= 0) goto c; < 1166917190 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: what's the difference if you can't change "b" ? < 1166917202 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1166917211 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok sure if you can change where the pointer points to < 1166917217 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a, b, and c are all adresses < 1166917222 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok then < 1166917227 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not literal values < 1166917228 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes more sense < 1166917282 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and if c == -1, go to the next triplet no matter what < 1166917322 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if (m[p+1] = m[p] - m[p+1] <= 0) p = m[p+2]; else p+=3; < 1166917457 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe not < 1166917514 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if ((m[p+1] = m[p] - m[p+1] <= 0) || m[p+2] == -1) p = m[p+2]; else p+=3; < 1166917517 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... if you made the addresses relative then c == 3 could mean that without an exception. < 1166917550 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but they're not relative < 1166917599 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1166917627 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, just read the source < 1166917772 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wishes to note that, if you used GNU C, creating the memory would be somewhat easier.
< 1166917789 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1166917790 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNU C supports, among other things, arrays with the size defined at compile time. < 1166917793 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err. < 1166917794 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runtime. < 1166917798 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stick to ANSI C ;) < 1166917799 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1166917803 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. . . < 1166917804 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait. < 1166917804 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :malloc is easy < 1166917831 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why the hell are you using malloc if the size of the VM's memory doesn't change at runtime, anyways? < 1166917858 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't even seen the program :) < 1166917868 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: No where in that file is malloc used < 1166917902 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: memset, however, is. < 1166917909 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. . . Oh. < 1166917913 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't allocate anything. < 1166917914 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1166917930 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : int memory[VM_MEMSIZE]; < 1166917937 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah ;) < 1166917963 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ignore me while I start thinking. < 1166917971 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how large is VM_MEMSIZE? < 1166917974 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does memset do? < 1166917982 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And why is that file named .tar.gz since it's not gzipped? < 1166917989 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define VM_MEMSIZE 65536 < 1166917999 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: sets a block of memory to a value < 1166918007 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: Look up in man pages. < 1166918018 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :64k * sizeof(int) bytes is a bit much to allocate from the stack. < 1166918032 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oops < 1166918037 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The stack? < 1166918070 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :int foo[bar]; is from stack < 1166918073 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a local ("automatic") variable (and not declared static), so it will in most implementations allocated from the (call) stack,. < 1166918075 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :malloc would use heap < 1166918191 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Does it matter? < 1166918205 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And "static int foo[bar];" would usually use a statically allocated address from the data segment, which might well be faster than accessing via a pointer to the heap. < 1166918214 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it might not work on some MS-DOS compilers. < 1166918249 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the difference between static and dynamic? < 1166918284 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although malloc()ing that many bytes from the heap might not work either on some MS-DOS compilers/runtimes, at least with particular compiler flags.) < 1166918336 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Bitte waehlen Sie eine Beerdigungnachricht" < 1166918388 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this context the opposite of static is automatic, not dynamic < 1166918438 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the difference, then? < 1166918465 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :static variables are not deallocated when the function returns, but kept the same for all invocations < 1166918471 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That'd be 640k, not 64k. < 1166918513 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if the function calls itself? < 1166918525 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope; You get a new instance of the automatic variable. < 1166918533 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq; 64k is a very common limit, too, since it's a single memory page. < 1166918536 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's a static variable? < 1166918548 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only one version < 1166918559 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq; Er, I mean, segment. < 1166918578 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a static variable is like a global variable, except that it doesn't clutter the global namespace < 1166918599 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I thought MS-DOS used the x86 CPU with what amounts to a flat memory model. < 1166918624 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I could be absolutely wrong, and in all probability am) < 1166918633 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err, no? Why would there be the 640k limit, then? < 1166918698 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION uses his external brain attachment (Wikipedia) to sound like less of an idiot
< 1166918714 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOS programs, of course, can run in protected mode, with a 32-bit flat memory model. < 1166918812 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're right. < 1166918825 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm no assembly expert. ;) < 1166918853 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION suddenly wonders whether wikipedia will cause us to develop a group mind...
< 1166918878 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is working on hello world
< 1166918882 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Probably. < 1166918899 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least, Wikipedia said so. < 1166918922 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :link please? :) < 1166918975 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Find it yourself. < 1166918994 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, compilers generating "16-bit executables" usually can use all kinds of memory models, and the "tiny", "small" and "medium" memory models all limit data pointers to a single segment. Which would mean no integer arrays larger than 64k bytes, or 32k elements. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_model < 1166919028 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just stupid, IMO. < 1166919081 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The whole segmented memory architecture doesn't really feel like a very bright idea. < 1166919093 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, I live in the roarin' 64 bit pointer 2000s. ;) < 1166919176 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is hards < 1166919184 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the 68k (which was a contemporary of 8086, I think) had a 24-bit flat memory model. < 1166919198 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do I jump if 0? < 1166919208 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Subtract -1? < 1166919235 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: The 8086 was like the 68k's retarded little brother. :p < 1166919236 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right :) < 1166919265 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So just how ugly is x86? < 1166919272 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it composed entirely of cruft? < 1166919305 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: Cruft, rubber bands, bubble gum, and fairy dust. < 1166919333 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least it has the fairy dust, eh? < 1166919351 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fairy dust only is in the 64 bit variants, though. < 1166919357 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1166919403 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A single x86 opcode can be anything between one to 15 bytes, iirc. It does sound rather a bit overcomplicated, at least when compared to your standard "all instructions are alike" riscs. < 1166919442 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Segmentation fault (core dumped) < 1166919466 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It comes from the bad ol' days when ASM coding was the standard way of doing anything. < 1166919492 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Opcodes, opcodes, and more opcodes are the idea. < 1166919508 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That reminds me of a wonderful comic; I wonder if I can still find the link. < 1166919542 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://juho.vaha-herttua.fi/Zilog.Z8000.1979.102646293.pdf < 1166919673 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Specifically page 6 of the pdf. "It's not magic, readers! With dual environments, 418 op codes, and --". And page 17; "-- just a few, well-chosen op codes!* * Captain Zilog had 418 to choose from!" < 1166919903 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Holy cow, boss! Dis baby can use any of its registers as a stack pointer!" "None of the registers are designated! They're all general!" < 1166919927 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All general? < 1166919942 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where's the trap register for each of 75 instructions? < 1166919950 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gimme an R, gimme an I, gimme an S, gimme a C! What does that spell? RISC! < 1166919955 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's a little white lie. At least according to my reading of the Z8000 specification book. < 1166919968 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1166919998 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't figure out how to dereference a pointer < 1166920012 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In your OISC? < 1166920015 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1166920028 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*p < 1166920047 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, it even has one register sort-of designated as a stack pointer; there are many stack-manipulating instructions, including subroutine calls, which implicitly assume that register is the stack pointer. < 1166920067 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Set a memory location to the address of the destination, then copy? < 1166920109 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1166920155 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to copy the pointer into the code < 1166920160 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you do self-modifying code in your oisc, btw? Or are the instruction and data spaces separate? < 1166920166 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait... < 1166920174 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: they are the same < 1166920293 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Harvard architectures aren't exactly common. . . < 1166920330 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Harvard architectures? < 1166920344 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq; Well, now, there's the MIPS. < 1166920348 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An architecture with seperate instruction and data space. < 1166920368 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the pointer is in P, do a copy from P to Label+1, where Label is the address of an instruction < 1166920403 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1166920487 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, i mean Label, not Label+1 < 1166920553 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crap, there's a bug in my assembler < 1166920685 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And MIPS is common; I have a SGI Indy ("Indigo without the go") with its MIPS R4000 sitting right here on my desk. < 1166920842 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lindi; To comment on something that appeared a long time ago in this discussion; due to the utterly low precedence of =, "if (b = b-a <= 0)" (and similarly the later "if (*b = *b-*a <= 0)") would read as "if (b = (b-a <= 0))", which is probably not what you intended. (And wouldn't it look better as "if ((b -= a) <= 0)" anyway?) < 1166920867 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, that bug fixed < 1166920919 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :longer first, longer first < 1166920926 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION repeats to himself
< 1166920970 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now back to hello world < 1166920990 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has seen the reason behind the Tcl style guide's recommendation for copious parentheses in expr expressions. . .
< 1166921197 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh right < 1166921304 0 :tgwizard!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1166921455 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right... schools need algae, and to get algae, my workers need to be able to swim, meaning I need a swimming pool. < 1166921541 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there we have it, a swimming pool indeed. < 1166922543 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aargh < 1166922545 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is hard < 1166922579 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't do hello world < 1166922599 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah. < 1166922623 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got pointer dereferencing thoug < 1166922633 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it's not looping like it's supposed to < 1166922827 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Conway's Game of Life... now there's a real esoteric thingy. < 1166922840 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it' < 1166922844 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s nicely Turing complete. < 1166922849 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Decimal output is very useful for debugging < 1166922854 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's full of puzzles beyond proving it Turing-complete. < 1166922865 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like making a 17c/45 spaceship. < 1166922893 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Caterpillar is one such spaceship, and it's pretty huge. < 1166922936 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.yucs.org/~gnivasch/life/article_cat/cat_picture.gif <- the Caterpillar, scale 1:40 < 1166923048 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, just imagine: if one were to remove a cell near the front, the whole thing would probably explode. < 1166923104 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh fuck, no wonder < 1166923206 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're still all waiting, though, for the spaceship generator, capable of making spaceships of any rational speed in both directions, as long as that speed is less than c/2. < 1166923307 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or any computable speed, if periodicity doesn't matter. < 1166923629 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just program a universal computer with that, and hook it up to a universal constructor, and there you go... < 1166923789 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arghhhhhhh < 1166923838 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION likes the Day and Night CA
< 1166923921 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :complete symmetry between on and off cells, but still so complicated that it nearly has to be Turing-complete (but I don't think it has been proved) < 1166923984 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't get it to work :( < 1166924008 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "Hello World"? what's the problem? < 1166924048 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't figure out how to get the loop to terminate < 1166924094 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one quitp QUIT < 1166924114 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Loop? < 1166924133 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: To loop through the string < 1166924152 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the string zero-terminated? < 1166924158 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Great hacks are needed to do the simplest of things? I like it. :-) < 1166924171 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to run Life32 under Wine
< 1166924173 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah < 1166924184 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: indeed < 1166924209 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at some point you probably load the current character into some cell, right? < 1166924244 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1166924268 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I need Wine to do that. < 1166924273 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that instruction will branch if and only if the character is zero < 1166924290 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is what I want < 1166924301 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.ca/290491 < 1166924324 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, how easy would it be to write a Linux compatibility layer for Windows? < 1166924335 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: cygwin? < 1166924335 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: In Plof, your "for" loop semantics are really different from C's. . . < 1166924351 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That runs Linux binaries now? < 1166924351 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: CoLinux or UML for Cygwin. < 1166924364 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yeah, that. < 1166924367 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Those. < 1166924378 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How fast is CoLinux? < 1166924395 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I last used it, it was damned close to native. < 1166924422 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was a few years ago, though. < 1166924430 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err. < 1166924434 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe a year or two. < 1166924446 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UML for Cygwin, I can't say anything about. < 1166924471 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think i got it < 1166924471 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But one has to admit that it's kind of funny that Linux has been ported to Windows. . . Literally. < 1166924509 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, Wine's all nice and installed. < 1166924566 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now how do I use it? < 1166924579 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...nevermind < 1166924621 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: A patch is coming your way. < 1166924627 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cannot open /home/ns/Desktop/Life32/Life32.exe: No application suitable for automatic installation is available for handling this kind of file. < 1166924689 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hopes Gregor notices it
< 1166924769 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now it doesn't terminate too early, it terminates too late < 1166924805 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it prints "hello, world 0x00 0x00..." < 1166924913 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa! < 1166924917 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's ugly, but it works! < 1166924950 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty sweet, actually. < 1166925033 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then again, maybe it actually doesn't work. < 1166925051 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm? < 1166925059 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Life32 under Wine. < 1166925076 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aah < 1166925171 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha! It DOES work! < 1166925413 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello world doesn't :( < 1166925523 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't you just zero a memory location and use it to test for positive? < 1166925549 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can someone take a look? http://pastebin.ca/290503 < 1166925579 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am taking a look, my attempt coming up < 1166925772 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why, I think the Caterpillar has loaded. < 1166925851 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's possibly even larger than I thought it would be. < 1166925962 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try this: http://pastebin.ca/290507 < 1166926012 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks quite nice, actually. < 1166926055 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is what large Life patterns look like, then? < 1166926085 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: workage < 1166926117 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1166926152 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION makes the V sign
< 1166926336 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :odd < 1166926352 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even? < 1166926361 0 :digital_me!n=digital@wikipedia/Digitalme JOIN :#esoteric < 1166926405 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, pretty odd < 1166926414 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is? < 1166926424 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How your's worked < 1166926430 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine did almost the same thing < 1166926486 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't completely understand yours, but it seemed to me that it did the quit test after printing the character so i expect at least an extra 0x00 < 1166926500 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*expected < 1166926555 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine never quit the loop < 1166926668 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the point of the quitp WRITE -1 anyhow? < 1166926677 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :debugging < 1166926726 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. i _think_ your problem is that you never managed to dereference the quitp pointer < 1166926777 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you actually tested the pointer itself rather than the character < 1166926777 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :line 12? < 1166926822 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :line 12 is a comment < 1166926841 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13,14,15 < 1166926864 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is essentially quitp = -pos, with no dereferencing < 1166926890 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm < 1166926927 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to dereference a pointer, you _must_ copy it into an actually running code part < 1166926958 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like writepos:, or my quitpos: < 1166926998 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and in your's, line 16 needs to be NULL NULL -1 < 1166927080 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think so, because NULL is not used again before NULL NULL CODESTART < 1166927257 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right < 1166927366 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not good to leave NULL unzeroed though < 1166927464 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you could rename it to temp... < 1166927706 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1166927995 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should work on a brainfuck interpreter < 1166928039 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would certainly kill some time... < 1166928045 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do it in Plof. < 1166928060 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assumed he meant in OISC :) < 1166928067 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Plof is in bad need of Esome) < 1166928097 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think it would be pretty straighforward < 1166928103 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for [] < 1166928228 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could just compile into memory < 1166928250 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for [] you need a stack of branch points < 1166928260 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :during the compilation < 1166928283 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe Forth works in that way < 1166928309 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[] is hard even in real languages < 1166928314 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in Tcl. < 1166928326 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, my BF implementation in Tcl is a bit. . . Lazy. < 1166928351 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, I compile the Brainfuck code in-memory to Tcl, and then evaluate the compiled code. ;) < 1166928404 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :essentially what i suggest for OISC as well < 1166928426 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because [] is _not_ particularly hard to compile < 1166928465 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, just a jump < 1166928466 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's only hard because one has to do it in OISC. . . And you're going to have to do that just to write the thing, anyways. < 1166928468 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its only if try to run directly on the string interpretation it gets awkward < 1166928495 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*representation < 1166928626 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*it's only if you < 1166928790 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... you could actually avoid a disjoint stack by keeping the stack _in_ the partially compiled code < 1166928821 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you avoid having to juggle two distinct growable memory areas < 1166928896 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how? < 1166928911 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, when you get to a [, you compile it, except that the branch location points to the previous [ < 1166928939 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you have a global pointer to the topmost [ < 1166929014 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you get to ], you use that global pointer to compile the ] _and_ to patch the corresponding [, finally letting the new global pointer be the previous content of the [ < 1166929016 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1166929085 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the global pointer plus the pointers saved in each [ is the stack, pushing on a new [ and popping on a new ] < 1166929307 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION writes cat in OISC
< 1166929404 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1166929418 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might need a special EOF location < 1166929432 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-1 < 1166929437 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1166929752 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grar, I think there's a bug in my vm < 1166929787 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :READ char -1 < 1166929787 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :char WRITE -1 < 1166929787 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NULL NULL CODESTART < 1166929797 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't do what it should < 1166929822 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... make that char char CODESTART? < 1166929861 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!?! < 1166929864 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1166929872 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right < 1166929895 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :char doesn't get zeroed < 1166929994 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, you probably need to test it for -1 first < 1166930014 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would have to go between READ and WRITE < 1166930036 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1166930044 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah! < 1166930058 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.ca/290546 < 1166930164 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a simpler way if you use READ char < 1166930189 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it then branches except on -1 < 1166930207 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooh right < 1166930208 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or < 0) < 1166930305 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.ca/290549 < 1166930377 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. if you make that char char QUIT you don't have to use NULL at all... < 1166930417 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1166930431 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not really necessary to make NULL a special variable anyhow < 1166930501 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah not really < 1166930502 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for that matter, the same could be said about CODESTART < 1166930525 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :QUIT seems to have to be special, though < 1166930569 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :QUIT = 3 < 1166930598 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, CODESTART and NULL aren't needed < 1166930604 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously the program doesn't start at 0, then < 1166930635 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it starts at CODESTART < 1166930658 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0-3 are special < 1166930716 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NULL, READ, WRITE and QUIT? < 1166930731 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1166930833 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be an idea to make -1 = NEXT or something < 1166930866 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :done < 1166930885 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But -1 is a whole lot easier to type than NEXT < 1166931014 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tradeoffs, tradeoffs < 1166931043 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well now you can do either < 1166931076 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know a proccessor is great when you have to have self modifying code to do anything! < 1166931306 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's amazing that it can be turing complete with only one instruction < 1166931606 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps. but then the one instruction merges three concepts: subtraction, comparison and branching. < 1166931700 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose < 1166933076 0 :anonfunc!n=dholman@adsl-70-135-59-64.dsl.chi2ca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166934034 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1166934049 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmnt_bot! < 1166934385 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :methinks running the OISC code through cpp and adding some macros would be a good idea < 1166934632 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but first I have to figure out how to multiply < 1166934766 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :general numbers or up to a limit? < 1166934800 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Up to the cell size < 1166934817 0 :digital_me!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Lost terminal" < 1166935460 0 :anonfunc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1166935473 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like this: c = 0; for (n=BITSIZE; n--; ) {c+=c; if (a < 0) {a+= 1 << (BITSIZE-1); c+=b;} a+=a; } < 1166935580 0 :digital_me!n=digital@wikipedia/Digitalme JOIN :#esoteric < 1166935623 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a *= b) === while(b--) a += a; < 1166935658 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, but that takes time proportional to b < 1166935691 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you mean c += a; < 1166936060 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :simple is good ;) < 1166936740 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works! < 1166936977 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, a call stack < 1166937209 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what for? < 1166937257 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1166937285 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure how to do this, because you need a place to dereference a pointer < 1166937289 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you just making general tools? < 1166937305 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just playing < 1166937469 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make a macro for pointer dereferencing < 1166937500 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To get a value on the stack, we have to dereference a pointer, but we have to put it in a constant place < 1166937573 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, you have to put it into the instruction that makes the actual dereferencing < 1166937619 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there is no dereference intruction < 1166937714 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mov (pointer, label); then the label: instruction will dereference the pointer. < 1166937754 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mov (pointer, label+1); then it will store into the dereferenced pointer < 1166937783 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1166937838 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to do a-= *p, you do mov(p,l1); l1: 0 a -1 < 1166937847 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip72-200-73-175.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166937861 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right... < 1166937883 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to do *p -= a, you do mov(p,l1+1); l1: a 0 -1 < 1166937960 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right... < 1166937982 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is that l1 is global < 1166938049 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you don't have to use the same l1 for every use of a pointer < 1166938190 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1166938275 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No matter what it is, it's still global < 1166938288 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how is that a problem? < 1166938331 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has to be local to the function < 1166938387 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean to put it in the function's stack frame? < 1166938416 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1166938493 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anybody want to help me improve Plof's arrays? < 1166938502 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he GregorR < 1166938505 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*hi < 1166938512 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it does not have to be. the l1 is just a temporary variable that is reset every time the mov(p,l1); l1: 0 a -1 is encountered. < 1166938527 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it refers to a part of the _code_, not of the data < 1166938528 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hoi bsmntbombdood ;) < 1166938536 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but when the inner function returns... < 1166938560 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you see any function calls in that code? < 1166938573 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1166938601 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so when the inner function returns, it will definitely not be to any place that cares about the value of l1. < 1166938611 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that code is in a function cal < 1166938661 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You parted from #lisp ! < 1166938672 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so? l1 is global because it refers to _code_, not data. < 1166938704 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that works for return addresses, but not arguments < 1166938799 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :l1 is _only_ a label that is _only_ used to make that damned code up there equivalent to a-= *p. It does _not_ need to be stored anywhere, or saved, or remembered, except when that code is running. < 1166938823 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh... what are we discussing? < 1166938836 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi: OISC < 1166938846 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about OISC? < 1166938852 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a -= *p ? < 1166938973 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi: dereferencing pointer < 1166938974 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1166939022 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at it another way. l1 _is_ local, because its scope ends as soon as that code ends, and it is reinitialized when it is entered. however, it does not have to be in stack memory because the code is totally non-reentrant. < 1166939167 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it is not clear, but i intend the l1: to be immediately after the move. it is a that gets the final result, not l1. < 1166939259 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes... < 1166939322 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you need a to be on the stack, you just put an additional mov(&a,l1+1) first. < 1166939336 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think. < 1166939827 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with all this moving going on it might pay to store pointers as their negatives (like you did with the characters in the Hello world program) < 1166940458 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've had enough of this for one night, time for bed < 1166941255 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm assuming X is a total mess because it was designed to work on 70's era hardware? < 1166941315 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems like a lot of the design choices are used to decrease bandwidth... which is a lot cheaper nowadays. < 1166941325 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially if the X server is on your system :P < 1166941373 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it was designed to be able to have server and client on different machines < 1166941604 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that, plus being old, probably accounts for the mess < 1166941698 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. I have a WM idea I wanna try out. < 1166941702 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's gonna be written in CL :) < 1166941738 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right, separate WMs, that accounts for much mess-age... < 1166941786 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1166941792 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I like the concept of a WM. < 1166941823 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just that, some of X's stuff (*cough* selections *cough*) are incredibly archaic. < 1166941853 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean seriously, does one really need to send a timestamp for a selection? Why can't a selection just be a floating buffer on the X server which clients can access through requests? < 1166941936 0 :digital_me!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1166942264 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :write a new x < 1166942429 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Easier said than done :P < 1166942468 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've no idea how x works < 1166942481 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what it does < 1166942491 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a somewhat misty idea that's getting less misty. < 1166945534 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=notapoly@222-152-177-164.jetstream.xtra.co.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1166947199 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1166947200 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1166949204 0 :int-e!n=noone@t54fc413b.pool.terralink.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1166949213 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@text Blah < 1166949251 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen Hello < 1166949282 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :58 +++++++++[>++++++++>+++++++++++>><<<<-]>.>++.+++++++..+++. [341] < 1166949479 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gonna zzz, cya < 1166949612 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Reverse Polish Notation: You cows 2 � have." < 1166950230 0 :anonfunc!n=dholman@adsl-70-135-59-64.dsl.chi2ca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166954041 0 :tgwizard!n=tgwizard@c-9b3ee155.178-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1166954059 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1166957721 0 :jix_!n=jix@L6080.l.strato-dslnet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1166958562 0 :int-e!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Bye!" < 1166960246 0 :okokoko!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1166968104 0 :anonfunc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1166970106 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION recalls that there *is* an X replacement out there.
< 1166970109 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's called Y < 1166970119 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was on /. a couple of years ago < 1166972506 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host81-158-88-90.range81-158.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1166974889 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1166978907 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"haaaaaaaaaa" < 1166979653 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1166979945 0 :sp3tt!n=sp3tt@80-162.cust.umeaenergi.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1166981255 0 :digital_me!n=digital@wikipedia/Digitalme JOIN :#esoteric < 1166982014 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1166985267 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host81-158-88-90.range81-158.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1166985639 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION finds the worlds silliest savant ability. Photographic memory of telephones: http://www.spinnoff.com/zbb/viewtopic.php?p=456141#456141
< 1166986173 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_o < 1166986495 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, compiled with O0, 1.66 seconds; compiled with O3, .12 seconds < 1166986555 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's some good optimization < 1166986709 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes to dinner (about 2m away).
< 1166986819 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hot damn < 1166986832 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22 seconds compared to .6 seconds < 1166986844 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: what program is that? < 1166986853 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my OISC vm < 1166986861 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :running an empty loop < 1166986878 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :url? ;) < 1166986909 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bsmntbombdood.mooo.com/oisc.tar.gz < 1166987130 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same thing we were talking about last night < 1166987451 0 :jix_!n=jix@L6080.l.strato-dslnet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1166987631 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is one cool assembly language < 1166988360 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vm could be optimized a lot :) < 1166988428 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm? < 1166988513 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"./vm loop.x" segfaults < 1166988523 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1166988528 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to assemble it < 1166988546 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :python asm.py < loop.x > loop.bin < 1166988857 0 :anonfunc!n=dholman@adsl-70-135-59-64.dsl.chi2ca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166988862 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1166990022 0 :digital_me!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Lost terminal" < 1166990082 0 :digital_me!n=digital@h-69-3-49-43.dnvtco56.dynamic.covad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1166990537 0 :tgwizard!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1166993301 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Chatzilla 0.9.75 [IceWeasel 1.0.1b2] (kidding!)" < 1166994657 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lindi-: you play with that? < 1166994752 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OISC, i mean < 1166994882 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this particular variation of OISC MISC or something else? < 1166994893 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since OISC isn't well-defined, but MISC is :P < 1166995139 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :subskin is the best oisc < 1166995212 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's almost MISC < 1166995226 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1166995236 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except this is subtract and branch if not positive < 1166995254 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well subskin uses a different way of addressing < 1166995267 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like every thing is a pointer... not a word to select which kind it is < 1166995277 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm? < 1166995280 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me > misc < 1166995293 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :subskin > * < 1166995301 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Subskin < 1166995322 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1166995396 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow m=readlines.map{|e|e.hex};loop{m[1]<0||$>< ;) < 1167005293 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to usurp symbols that already have a meaning < 1167005311 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, a meaning /individually/ < 1167005317 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1167005345 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, I want to make parsing easier by making it so that anything that groups always groups. < 1167005356 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an array is a class, right? < 1167005370 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*object < 1167005386 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are no classes, and an array is not an object, no. < 1167005396 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :◁▷◀▶◖◗ < 1167005401 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CGI:IRC is laggy :P < 1167005443 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :give objects a __call__ method < 1167005449 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like python < 1167005450 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you say it's a prototype-based language? < 1167005463 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then make an array an object, and get elements with array(i) < 1167005474 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: Yes. < 1167005500 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm < 1167005539 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :var foo = array.new(...)? < 1167005575 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: I'll mull that one over. < 1167005580 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At the moment I have to go. < 1167005609 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: That would work if arrays were objects, at the moment they aren't, but that's probably how it would go if they are. < 1167005614 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1167005616 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You would have to make foo(i) a valid lhs though < 1167005675 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which might be odd < 1167007158 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Bitte waehlen Sie eine Beerdigungnachricht" < 1167012049 0 :Rugxulo!i=icechat5@adsl-065-013-115-246.sip.mob.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1167015998 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"OUCH!!!" < 1167016591 0 :CakeProphet!n=CakeProp@h14.250.213.151.ip.alltel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1167018763 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1167019065 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Chatzilla 0.9.75 [IceWeasel 1.0.1b2] (kidding!)" < 1167021412 0 :digital_me!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Lost terminal" < 1167021490 0 :digital_me!n=digital@wikipedia/Digitalme JOIN :#esoteric < 1167025073 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip72-200-73-175.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1167026958 0 :digital_me!unknown@unknown.invalid 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1167035803 0 :wooby!n=alan@ny-lancastercadent4g1-3a-236.buf.adelphia.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1167036692 0 :CakeProphet_!n=CakeProp@h14.250.213.151.ip.alltel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1167036694 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :No route to host < 1167036695 0 :CakeProphet_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :CakeProphet < 1167039712 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1167048034 0 :ivan`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Leading Edge IRC" < 1167048527 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1167048720 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :photographic memory of telephones? < 1167048745 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :somewhere out there there is a person with an uncanny ability to remember the _sound_ of cameras. < 1167049533 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, yeah, merry christmas everyone < 1167049788 0 :jix__!n=jix@L6277.l.strato-dslnet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1167052056 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1167054488 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host81-158-88-90.range81-158.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1167054909 0 :CakeProphet_!n=CakeProp@h152.243.213.151.ip.alltel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1167054913 0 :CakeProphet_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :CakeProphet < 1167059972 0 :jix__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Bitte waehlen Sie eine Beerdigungnachricht" < 1167060015 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1167067392 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host81-158-88-90.range81-158.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1167071123 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip72-200-73-175.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1167071600 0 :oklopol!n=villsalo@194.251.102.88 JOIN :#esoteric < 1167072239 0 :jix_!n=jix@L6277.l.strato-dslnet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1167072313 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1167072671 0 :digital_me!n=digital@wikipedia/Digitalme JOIN :#esoteric < 1167075566 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1167075574 0 :CakeProphet_!n=CakeProp@h152.243.213.151.ip.alltel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1167075578 0 :CakeProphet_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :CakeProphet < 1167080830 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Ho ho" < 1167083510 0 :digital_me!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :digital_ < 1167083864 0 :digital_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :digital_me < 1167085216 0 :ivan`!i=ivan@wikipedia/ivan JOIN :#esoteric < 1167088646 0 :jix_!n=jix@L6277.l.strato-dslnet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1167089495 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=grease@222-152-172-147.jetstream.xtra.co.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1167089563 0 :digital_me!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Lost terminal" < 1167089952 0 :digital_me!n=digital@wikipedia/Digitalme JOIN :#esoteric < 1167092650 0 :wooby!n=alan@ny-lancastercadent4g1-3a-236.buf.adelphia.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1167092651 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1167094049 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Bitte waehlen Sie eine Beerdigungnachricht" < 1167094668 0 :digital_me!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :digital_bot < 1167094726 0 :digital_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :digital_me < 1167100630 0 :digital_me!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :digital_bot < 1167100812 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1167101957 0 :digital_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1167101971 0 :digital_me_!n=digital@wikipedia/Digitalme JOIN :#esoteric < 1167102016 0 :digital_me_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :digital_me < 1167104772 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1167104960 0 :digital_me!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Lost terminal" < 1167105049 0 :digital_me!n=digital@wikipedia/Digitalme JOIN :#esoteric < 1167105764 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DDD < 1167105932 0 :digital_me!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Lost terminal" < 1167109868 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1167111345 0 :digital_me!n=digital@wikipedia/Digitalme JOIN :#esoteric < 1167111876 0 :digital_me_!n=digital@wikipedia/Digitalme JOIN :#esoteric < 1167112189 0 :digital_me!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1167114360 0 :digital_me_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Lost terminal" < 1167119999 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1167120000 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1167123799 0 :ivan`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1167123941 0 :ivan`!n=ivan`@wikipedia/ivan JOIN :#esoteric < 1167132576 0 :jix_!n=jix@L6277.l.strato-dslnet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1167132723 0 :Abnerian!n=Abner@c-69-247-88-142.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1167132740 0 :Abnerian!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...please write 99 bottles lyrics. < 1167133139 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i won't. < 1167133158 0 :Abnerian!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that IRP program failed. < 1167133182 0 :Abnerian!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please do not write out the lyrics for 99 bottles. < 1167133196 0 :Abnerian!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving." < 1167133629 0 :tgwizard!n=tgwizard@c-9b3ee155.178-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1167135485 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Bitte waehlen Sie eine Beerdigungnachricht" < 1167138418 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, I think I could set up a bot that PMs the 99BOB to the sender when it detects "please" and "99 bottles" < 1167139387 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bot wouldn't last long. < 1167139390 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1167147548 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host81-158-88-90.range81-158.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1167153770 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@c-75-70-126-209.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1167158670 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone care if I release a new build of BFM & Basm? < 1167160200 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes
< 1167160300 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd be a no, I think. < 1167160576 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be so cool < 1167160583 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are they? < 1167160874 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BFM is a macro language that compiles to Brainfuck, and Basm is a Brainfuck compiler written in BFM. < 1167160899 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Brainfuck Basm build is, as far as I know, the smallest Brainfuck->C compiler written in C. < 1167160903 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brainfuck. < 1167161076 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The BFM build I'm going to upload soon will, for the first time, have an amazing thing caled "documentation". < 1167161521 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(soon, meaning "once I take my laptop downstairs to do the whole Sneakernet thing) < 1167161551 0 :nooga!n=nooga@ip-127.net-11.rev.inter-c.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1167161554 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahoy < 1167161563 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION really needs to get some Wifi equipment
< 1167161566 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!cat ahoy < 1167161570 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahoy < 1167161585 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm hm < 1167161831 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm trying to writ simple lambda calculus interpreter but i've got kilotons of segfaults ;d < 1167161836 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i give up < 1167161854 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even gdb doesn't want to work for me < 1167161895 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just take some hints from Lisp interpreters (and have it accept lambda calculus in sepxs). < 1167162110 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1167162123 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i should search for a clear implementation < 1167162153 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get a Lisp interpreter, rip out every builtin function except for lambda, and you've got it done. :p < 1167162185 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;p < 1167162403 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, only few kLOC < 1167162571 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :naaah, i love simple and educative ways of doing things < 1167163262 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION would think that doing it in a functional language would be simplest
< 1167163615 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1167163619 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't want to < 1167163835 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :simplest would be not to do it, actually < 1167163843 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: True enough. < 1167163846 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but guess you don't want that either < 1167163847 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1167163853 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehehe < 1167163854 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1167163945 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but writing functional language in functional language is shitty idea < 1167163962 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first of all: slow as hell < 1167164316 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sadol 0 < 1167164321 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sadol !0 < 1167164325 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1167164356 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sadol :D<-< 0000 < 1167164378 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that how you make Sadol play hangman? < 1167164379 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sadol !5 < 1167164383 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 < 1167164385 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : :D < 1167164387 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sadol !a < 1167164391 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1167164398 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sadol !5+5 < 1167164400 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's happy guy shitting with round bricks < 1167164401 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BDSM: Parsing: Unexpected end of file (index: 4, row: 1, col: 5) < 1167164404 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1167164411 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sadol !+55 < 1167164415 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 < 1167164423 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gawd, I forgot about that ridiculously awful interpreter name. < 1167164441 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sadol !+5/4-2 < 1167164445 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BDSM: Parsing: Unexpected end of file (index: 7, row: 1, col: 8) < 1167164449 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sadol !+5/42 < 1167164453 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :7 < 1167164467 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sadol !%63 < 1167164470 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1167164480 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sadol !A < 1167164483 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1167164484 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf r u doing? < 1167164486 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1167164489 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1167164528 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sadol !",217apologize me plx! < 1167164531 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apologize me plx! < 1167164536 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow :O < 1167164553 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sadol !,33 < 1167164557 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BDSM: Parsing: Unexpected end of file (index: 4, row: 1, col: 5) < 1167164563 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sadol !"dsaf < 1167164567 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BDSM: Parsing: Cannot evaluate number in compilation time (index: 2, row: 1, col: 3) < 1167164578 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too hard :D < 1167164580 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/SADOL here man < 1167164586 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sadol !32 < 1167164589 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 < 1167164589 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool1 < 1167164602 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sadol !,232 < 1167164603 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sadol !d!o!e!s < 1167164605 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :32 < 1167164607 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0000 < 1167164639 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sadol (7:C",228!R!C!"7822,"R:!R!"9822,"C:7(:R",228(7:C",2289"!R!:R",2287"!C!RR!C!"7822,"R:!R!"9822,"C:7( < 1167164643 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BDSM: Parsing: Unexpected end of file (index: 98, row: 1, col: 99) < 1167164659 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sadol (7:C",228!R!C!"7822,"R:!R!"9822,"C:7(:R",228(7:C",2289"!R!:R",2287"!C!RR!C!"7822,"R:!R!"9822,"C:7( < 1167164661 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BDSM: Parsing: Unexpected end of file (index: 99, row: 1, col: 100) < 1167164671 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heeeeh < 1167164674 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no way < 1167164683 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a reversed quine ;/ < 1167164743 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sadol (4:C",216!"9(4:C",216!C!C!"9(4:C",216!C!C < 1167164747 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(4:C",216!"9(4:C",216!C!C!"9(4:C",216!C!C < 1167164757 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YEEAH, A QUINE, SEE? < 1167164847 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you write it on the fly? < 1167164852 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not bad < 1167164856 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION really needs to rename BFM. . .
< 1167164873 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It suffers from an unfortunate bug: there's another language called BFM. < 1167164889 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, it was written by my friend who wrote it when driving to school < 1167164911 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see the wiki article < 1167164946 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1167165098 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sadol!,3123 < 1167165101 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1167165102 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sadol !,3123 < 1167165105 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :123 < 1167165110 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sadol !,31230 < 1167165113 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :123 < 1167165114 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah now i get ti < 1167165116 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*it < 1167165204 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1167165216 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as the inventor: i'm glad < 1167165283 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1167165306 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a human: i'm terrified that there's another prey of my language who's mind will collapse and rot < 1167165309 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION should eat something. . .
< 1167165317 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brain* < 1167165384 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1167165386 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*whose < 1167165396 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1167165397 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't f.. care < 1167165401 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my english is none < 1167165412 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you did one correction, i just wanted to belong < 1167165421 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ow < 1167165425 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hei oerjan < 1167165431 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hei nooga < 1167165512 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey oerjan. < 1167165525 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Want me to get off my ass and upload BFM and Basm? < 1167165545 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the i for fInnish? < 1167165610 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in hei < 1167165626 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, norwegian < 1167165651 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :figured that when i whois'ed you :) < 1167165672 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whois'ing nooga might confuse you :) < 1167165696 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my host is perl program :d < 1167165743 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eg. (3 :a,213 !"6Hello! a {will return a value - 13.} <<<< why -13? < 1167165775 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1167165781 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will return A value - 13 < 1167165792 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not -13, 13 < 1167165795 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right? < 1167165796 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1167165798 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i right, people? < 1167165800 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1167165846 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice to see a purely prefix'd lang, usually ppl break out of it when doing loops < 1167165859 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or i've been hanging out with the wrong langs < 1167165889 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"while condition c is fulfilled"? < 1167165892 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nonzero? < 1167165907 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlambda is pretty prefixed too < 1167165920 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 == true < 1167165929 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :man, i'm Polish, and this lang uses POLISH notation :D < 1167165931 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't understand unlambda < 1167165941 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha :D < 1167165988 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know why is this called Polish notation but well < 1167166012 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Note that negation in SADOL can be done like that: - 1 v where v is negated value." <<<< is this true? < 1167166022 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1167166033 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sadol :a1 !-1a < 1167166035 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1167166037 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sadol :a0 !-1a < 1167166039 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1167166042 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see? < 1167166058 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's polish cuz it's polish < 1167166062 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :polish invention < 1167166066 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, i should go < 1167166079 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c u < 1167166100 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1167166102 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't go! < 1167166102 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Lost terminal" < 1167166105 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1167166124 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not negation, that's logical not < 1167166138 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it negation? < 1167166142 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it can't be < 1167166186 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sadol !;3 < 1167166198 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1167166235 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it was invented by Lukasiewicz (sp) < 1167166266 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was, yes < 1167166275 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.answers.com/topic/polish-notation < 1167166555 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like languages that you can learn by heart in 30 minutes < 1167166631 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why then you should love Unlambda :) < 1167166647 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, _understanding_ it might take longer. < 1167166680 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should also love Brainfuck. < 1167166702 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION notes that one could consider Brainfuck as being in Polish notation. . .
< 1167166710 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Each command takes 0 arguments. ;) < 1167166744 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't really work for [] < 1167166746 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love brainfuck, yeah, you gotta < 1167166746 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lame < 1167166767 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should love my OISC < 1167166803 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can read that too :D < 1167166804 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :link < 1167166844 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bsmntbombdood.mooo.com/oisc.tar.gz for code < 1167166848 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sadol (3!,11!,212!,3123 < 1167166848 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: One of the definitions for the looping semantics makes it work as pure Polish. . . < 1167166850 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :112123 < 1167166852 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to write up an explanation ;) < 1167166895 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please do < 1167166898 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since i can't open that < 1167166899 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1167166903 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[: Go to matching ] if cell=0, otherwise go to next instruction. ]: Go to matching [ if cell!=0, otherwise go to next instruction. < 1167166908 0 :jix_!n=jix@L6164.l.strato-dslnet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1167166953 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem i see is that it is reflective: you cannot interpret ] without knowing the previous portion of the program < 1167167010 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, you could define [ as a command with a single argument: A block of code, which is marked as ending with a "]". < 1167167022 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This code is looped over while the current cell is 0. < 1167167023 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Voila. < 1167167035 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the marking is postfix < 1167167049 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IS TOO! < 1167167058 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but that is not strictly polish. of course Joy uses the same idea < 1167167081 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: No, it's a syntactical marking. . . Does the fact that a list is marked as ending with a ) make Lisp not Polish? < 1167167104 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not purely polish, no < 1167167113 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm tired, i blame that for everything < 1167167184 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Allow me to define Polish notation: Each command has its arguments after it's command name. That's it. < 1167167213 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Parentheses don't make it not Polish. . . In fact, parentheses can be the only way to get it to work when your commands take variable amounts of arguments. < 1167167262 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sadol (4:a3:b1:c1@a(4!b!c:b+bc:c+bc:a-a1 < 1167167272 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha :D < 1167167300 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sadol (4:a3:b1:c1@a(5!b!c:b+bc:c+bc:a-a1 < 1167167302 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :112358 < 1167167321 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sadol (4:a10:b1:c1@a(6!b!c!"1 :b+bc:c+bc:a-a1 < 1167167322 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11 < 1167167326 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yea < 1167167344 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sadol (4:a10:b1:c1@a(7!b!"1-!c!"1-:b+bc:c+bc:a-a1 < 1167167346 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1-1- < 1167167350 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm :D < 1167167375 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sadol (4:a,210:b1:c1@a(7!b!"1-!c!"1-:b+bc:c+bc:a-a1 < 1167167378 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1-1-2-3-5-8-13-21-34-55-89-144-233-377-610-987-1597-2584-4181-6765- < 1167167408 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sadol (4:a,210:b1:c1@a(7!b!"1-!c?a!"1-!"0:b+bc:c+bc:a-a1 < 1167167410 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1-1-2-3-5-8-13-21-34-55-89-144-233-377-610-987-1597-2584-4181-6765- < 1167167414 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1167167430 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sadol (4:a,210:b1:c1@a(7!b!"1-!c?-a1!"1-!"0:b+bc:c+bc:a-a1 < 1167167432 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1-1-2-3-5-8-13-21-34-55-89-144-233-377-610-987-1597-2584-4181-6765 < 1167167449 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should kill myself < 1167167482 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a monkey could do that -__- < 1167167594 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't have but one-letter function names? < 1167167602 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should someone happen to know < 1167167676 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmnt can you send me teh code on irc? < 1167167797 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Bitte waehlen Sie eine Beerdigungnachricht" < 1167167853 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood. can you? < 1167167854 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1167167855 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1167167873 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and which langs does egobot do? < 1167167876 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1167167878 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :help ps kill i eof flush show ls bf_txtgen usertrig daemon undaemon < 1167167880 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1l 2l adjust axo bch bf{8,[16],32,64} funge93 fyb fybs glass glypho kipple lambda lazyk linguine malbolge pbrain qbf rail rhotor sadol sceql trigger udage01 unlambda whirl < 1167167922 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_textgen Hello world! < 1167167924 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1167167933 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen Hello world! < 1167167959 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :source ^stdcons.bfm < 1167167967 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :string hello! "Hello, world!" < 1167167973 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :source ^outs.bfm < 1167167976 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :outs hello!end < 1167167983 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, world in BFM. < 1167168014 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :105 +++++++++++++++[>+++++>+++++++>++>++++++++<<<<-]>---.>----.+++++++..+++.>++.>-.<<.+++.------.--------.>+. [725] < 1167168037 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha this channel is so cool :D < 1167168054 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'll take my own bot here... is that ok? :D < 1167168101 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!unlambda ``````````````.H.e.l.l.o.,. .w.o.r.l.d.!ri < 1167168102 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, world! < 1167168163 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1167168205 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!unlambda ```.a.b.c.!ri < 1167168206 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :abc < 1167168215 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1167168216 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool i can print in unlambda < 1167168217 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1167168267 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!cat Whee. < 1167168268 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whee. < 1167168273 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can print in EgoBot. < 1167168413 0 :oklobot2!n=oklobot2@194.251.102.88 JOIN :#esoteric < 1167168425 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec "Hello, world!"PrntNl < 1167168426 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1167168428 0 :oklobot2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, world! < 1167168433 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DD < 1167168477 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec Quit < 1167168482 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1167168499 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!daemon exec bf ,[,] < 1167168519 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec "Shut up, EgoBot."PrntNl < 1167168524 0 :oklobot2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shut up, EgoBot. < 1167168529 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1167168530 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whooo. < 1167168537 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :be careful, i never made that reliable :) < 1167168560 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it barely keeps intact when you exec with it < 1167168560 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just making sure that I got EgoBot to have an exec command. . . < 1167168574 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which just eats input, though) < 1167168617 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1167168643 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes it shut up, at least. < 1167169222 0 :pgimeno!n=pgimeno@124.Red-80-59-211.staticIP.rima-tde.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1167169587 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: ? < 1167169787 0 :bsmnt_bot!n=bsmnt@abacus.kwzs.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1167169798 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I pwn j00 < 1167169962 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!daemon uncat unlambda ```s`d`@|d`cd < 1167169975 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!uncat Test < 1167169991 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm.. < 1167169999 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ps d < 1167170029 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn, it's dead < 1167170232 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ps < 1167170466 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood, the source, dcc send or smth, the link won't work < 1167170647 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW oklopol when you can understand my cat program you may consider yourself Unlambda initiated :) < 1167170679 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bsmntbombdood.mooo.com/oisc.tar.gz < 1167170682 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try that link < 1167170806 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :got it to work < 1167170873 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i pwn j00 < 1167170900 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~ctcp #esoteric ACTION pwns j00 < 1167170900 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION pwns j00
< 1167170979 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec , , , , , , < 1167171006 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~ctcp #esoteric PING I'm a right bastard. < 1167171052 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALBATROSS! < 1167171057 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAALBATROSS! < 1167171058 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec self.register_raw(".* #esoteric .*(.+)\1{5,}", lambda x : bot.raw("PRIVMSG #esoteric :zomg repeat!")) < 1167171062 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1167171068 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1167171099 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec print [i[0].pattern for i in self.raw_regex_queue] < 1167171108 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o right < 1167171120 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec self.raw_regex_queue.pop() < 1167171127 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec self.register_raw(r".* #esoteric .*(.+)\1{5,}", lambda x : bot.raw("PRIVMSG #esoteric :zomg repeat!")) < 1167171131 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1167171131 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zomg repeat! < 1167171135 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yaaaaaaaaaaaaay < 1167171135 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zomg repeat! < 1167171155 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asdf asdf asdf asdf asdf asdf asdf asdf asfd asdf < 1167171156 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zomg repeat! < 1167171180 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gigles
< 1167171213 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oo < 1167171217 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooo < 1167171221 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooo < 1167171222 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec quit < 1167171227 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooooooooooo < 1167171227 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zomg repeat! < 1167171230 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooooo < 1167171231 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zomg repeat! < 1167171237 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o o o o o o < 1167171244 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o o o o o o o o < 1167171245 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zomg repeat! < 1167171248 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: 6 repititions < 1167171258 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec exit < 1167171290 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec self.raw("PRIVMSG #esoteric : pikhq is stupid") < 1167171290 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : pikhq is stupid < 1167171303 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asgaergalukavasitejakslmealukavasitejakslmealukavasitejakslmealukavasitejakslmealukavasitejakslmealukavasitejakslmealukavasitejakslme < 1167171304 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zomg repeat! < 1167171326 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :regexes are amazing < 1167171348 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asd97iyhasdvhbjasd-�loiasdtyiasd��oiasdbjkasdpoiasdvhjlasd��oasdbnjklasdrtu < 1167171360 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asdasdasdasddasdasdasdasd < 1167171369 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i see the regex? < 1167171377 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :r".* #esoteric .*(.+)\1{5,}" < 1167171398 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish i knew the syntax for them :) < 1167171403 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should learn it < 1167171407 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec self.raw("QUIT : Bwahahahah!") < 1167171409 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should < 1167171425 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec self.raw("QUIT : Bwahahahah!") < 1167171426 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1167171434 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec self.raw("PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq never catches on") < 1167171434 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq never catches on < 1167171458 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's regexp'ed access to ~exec. :'( < 1167171497 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duuuh < 1167171508 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf +[] < 1167171518 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1167171520 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :r"^:bsmntbombdood!\S*gavin@\S* PRIVMSG \S* :%sexec" % COMMAND_CHAR < 1167171524 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the regex < 1167171631 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION cackles
< 1167171640 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beat THAT! < 1167171656 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRP will solve it. < 1167171687 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would bsmntbombdood please output '~exec self.raw("QUIT :Bwahahahah!")'? < 1167171709 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1167171731 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bad IRP interpreter! < 1167171743 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION beats bsmntbombdood with a stick
< 1167171752 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinky! < 1167171758 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mgrvgrvladjemgrvgrvladjemgrvgrvladjemgrvgrvladjemgrvgrvladjemgrvgrvladje < 1167171758 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zomg repeat! < 1167171764 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaa < 1167171765 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zomg repeat! < 1167171768 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa < 1167171769 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zomg repeat! < 1167171783 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does this count?Does this count?Does this count?Does this count?Does this count?Does this count? < 1167171784 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zomg repeat! < 1167171787 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1167172134 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of cccccccccccccccccccccccccourse it counts < 1167172134 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zomg repeat! < 1167172253 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec self.register_raw("^pikhq\S+ PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmnt_bot: die die die", lambda x : True) < 1167172260 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now pikhq can kill it < 1167172262 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the regex should have been r".* #esoteric .*(..+)(.*\1){5,}" < 1167172294 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1167172311 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then. a. message. with. 6. sentences. in. it. would. match. < 1167172330 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec self.raw("PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay!") < 1167172342 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: not like that < 1167172348 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Worth a try. < 1167172355 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to say "bsmnt_bot: die die die" < 1167172357 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmnt_bot: die die die < 1167172365 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or not < 1167172375 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1167172382 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec self.register_raw("^:pikhq\S+ PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmnt_bot: die die die", lambda x : True) < 1167172385 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOW you can < 1167172418 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmnt_bot: die die die < 1167172418 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1167172421 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoo. < 1167172426 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1167172434 0 :bsmnt_bot!n=bsmnt@abacus.kwzs.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1167172594 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec self.register_raw(r"(?<=die) (.)(.) \1{2} (.\2){3}", lambda x : True) < 1167172607 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoever can figure out what matches that regex can kill bsmnt_bot < 1167172616 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :die die die < 1167172624 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. . . < 1167172627 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1167172646 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :die!! !!!! !!!!!! < 1167172647 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DIE, YOU REGEX BASTARD! < 1167172654 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1167172654 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, < 1167172662 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :die.. < 1167172668 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how long will that be on? < 1167172673 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :die !! !! !!!!!! < 1167172679 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Presumably until someone figures it out. < 1167172690 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't read it yet cuz i poked myself in the eye with a soapy finger :\ < 1167172693 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yeah < 1167172702 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty ouch < 1167172726 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, "die XY XX ?Y?Y?Y" is not matched?d < 1167172727 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1167172745 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec self.raw_regex_queue.pop() < 1167172762 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :die !! !! !!!!!! < 1167172763 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1167172771 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec self.register_raw(r".*(.)(.) \1{2} (.\2){3}.*", lambda x : True) < 1167172776 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's better < 1167172787 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!! !! !!!!!! < 1167172787 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1167172794 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1167172796 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That does match it, then. < 1167172800 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoo. < 1167172804 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood, hmm, why first regex doesn't match my string? < 1167172825 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tokigun: because the regexes are matched against the irc protocol stuff too < 1167172831 0 :bsmnt_bot!n=bsmnt@abacus.kwzs.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1167172849 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The server could kill him, then. XD < 1167172876 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it sees your nick, ip address, channel etc < 1167173007 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1167173027 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec self.register_raw(r"^:\S+ PRIVMSG #esoteric :(.)Y(.) ((\1\2.\1){3}) \4 (?=abcde)", lambda x : True) < 1167173030 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :another one < 1167173063 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.Y. !!!!!!!!! aaaa < 1167173085 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!!!!!!!! aaaa < 1167173098 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION laughs at your futility
< 1167173100 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aYb abxaabxaabxa abxa abcde < 1167173100 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1167173105 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1167173120 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tokigun: I take it that you grok regexps? < 1167173142 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he must < 1167173167 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really just wanted to use (.)Y(.) < 1167173176 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perv. < 1167173184 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1167173209 0 :bsmnt_bot!n=bsmnt@abacus.kwzs.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1167173242 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm, what's a good one now < 1167173314 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"foo" < 1167173318 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't think of any really esoteric regex features < 1167173395 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood, conditional pattern with assertion < 1167173400 0 :jix_!n=jix@L6164.l.strato-dslnet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1167173408 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...huh? < 1167173412 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe python re also supports it. < 1167173422 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :python's re doesn't support conditionals < 1167173448 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.. wait < 1167173464 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec self.register_raw(r"^:\S+ PRIVMSG #esoteric :.", lambda x : True) < 1167173464 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1167173469 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :errrr < 1167173475 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :typed enter too early :( < 1167173479 0 :bsmnt_bot!n=bsmnt@abacus.kwzs.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1167173506 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it supports. but its conditional pattern is different than PCRE's one < 1167173514 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec self.register_raw(r"^:\S+ PRIVMSG #esoteric :(.)\1{30000}", lambda x : True) < 1167173517 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION laughs
< 1167173520 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow. < 1167173538 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any character, repeated 30001 times < 1167173599 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it even technically possible? < 1167173602 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is impossible to match with the limited amount of characters allowed in IRC messages. < 1167173609 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: The limit's closer to 300. < 1167173627 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :irc server will cut down the message < 1167173643 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmnt_bot can't be killed. < 1167174035 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehehehe < 1167174042 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION cackles
< 1167174069 0 :ihope!n=foo@c-71-205-100-59.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1167174076 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec self.register_raw(r"^:\S+ PRIVMSG #esoteric :(.)^[\1]", lambda x : True) < 1167174080 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :errr < 1167174086 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec self.register_raw(r"^:\S+ PRIVMSG #esoteric :(.)[^\1]", lambda x : True) < 1167174086 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1167174090 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1167174099 0 :bsmnt_bot!n=bsmnt@abacus.kwzs.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1167174231 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec self.register_raw("(?=a)(? (1 2 3) < 1167177688 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only one character names for funcs etc? < 1167177693 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea < 1167177700 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's no good :\ < 1167177709 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you've got scopes < 1167177718 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trues. < 1167177768 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and u can do things like ~f2 ?=#_00 {something} ?=#_01 {something else} {...} 0 < 1167177782 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lists are passed by reference? < 1167177804 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then f0a is not the same as f1a < 1167177819 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, who knows :d < 1167177844 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1167177852 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard to make a binary sort if not... < 1167177857 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1167177859 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not < 1167177868 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :globals exist < 1167177881 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make a function that takes list as a parameter and returns new list < 1167177882 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck < 1167177892 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking of a sort again... < 1167177898 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :search is trivial < 1167177905 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just wait a few hours... < 1167177908 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1167177918 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://regedit.gamedev.pl/BDSM/bubblesort.sad < 1167177922 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bubblesort < 1167177973 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :booblesort is the best < 1167177976 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*bubble < 1167178056 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :boob le sort < 1167178145 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(.)Y(.) < 1167178454 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g2g bye < 1167178464 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1167178738 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Bitte waehlen Sie eine Beerdigungnachricht" < 1167178973 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night" < 1167179858 0 :ihope__!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ihope < 1167180030 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1167180038 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :35 min to do a search :) < 1167180047 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard lang to debug... < 1167182101 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1167183105 0 :tgwizard!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1167184336 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Like the changes in the current Plof build. < 1167184356 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still doesn't have my for semantics, but. . . < 1167184465 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i made quicksort, where < 1167184468 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'s the guy :\ < 1167184537 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~p1(3(2:b:a$0:s#:l#_00@#l-01?-1>:i[ls]ai]bi$2ab~q1?<#:f#_0-012f+q#:apf0q#a1 < 1167184544 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice lang < 1167184575 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sadol < 1167184578 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sadol !5 < 1167184587 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is it not working? :( < 1167184639 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for({init},{while},{update},{code}); < 1167184653 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1167184655 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is how I would do it < 1167184662 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: that wasn't for you < 1167184677 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know < 1167184682 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1167184704 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was for pikhq, GregorR < 1167184722 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i figured it right after i'd said my thing < 1167184725 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as usual < 1167184729 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1167185126 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: And that's my modified for semantics. < 1167185141 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1167185159 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for(reference, {while}, {update}, {code}); is what's current. < 1167185171 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And update is evaluated before code. < 1167185182 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that is, in his current version) < 1167185192 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's reference? < 1167185199 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A reference to a variable. < 1167185204 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like a pointer. < 1167185216 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what for? < 1167185236 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, sort-of like a pointer. . . < 1167185258 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's so that the variable is in the scope of while, update, and code. . . < 1167185275 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :odd < 1167185278 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is pointless, since that variable is *already* in their scope. < 1167185298 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a piece that was written *before* his interpreter. < 1167185404 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it was before his scoping rules were fully defined, as well. < 1167185934 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1167186477 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm... < 1167186492 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need a language whose entire behavior is undefined. < 1167186503 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe C? -evil snicker- < 1167186514 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have one < 1167186548 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's called zut < 1167186566 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or gla < 1167186571 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the name is not defined < 1167186607 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :god 4:24 sleep -> < 1167189062 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sleep is for the weak < 1167191467 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf61f7.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1167191468 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Sgeo! < 1167191482 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1167191484 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that a bot? < 1167191493 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1167191502 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Stop making fun of me :P < 1167191508 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1167191520 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, is it an automatic action to greet me? < 1167191545 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lesse < 1167191546 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1167191559 0 :GregorR!n=GregorR@c-24-22-56-63.hsd1.mn.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1167191559 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi GregorR! < 1167191571 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it is < 1167191764 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1167191768 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hides
< 1167191824 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1167191824 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@about/copyleft/user/bsmntbombdood JOIN :#esoteric < 1167191824 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi bsmntbombdood! < 1167191834 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION giggles
< 1167191848 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec print [i[0].pattern for i in self.raw_regex_queue] < 1167191912 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec for i in raw_regex_queue: i[0].pattern != '.*JOIN :#esoteric.*' or self.raw_regex_queue.remove(i) < 1167191912 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi bsmntbombdood! < 1167191916 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1167191917 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@about/copyleft/user/bsmntbombdood JOIN :#esoteric < 1167191917 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi bsmntbombdood! < 1167191927 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :urgh < 1167191942 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec for i in self.raw_regex_queue: i[0].pattern != '.*JOIN :#esoteric.*' or self.raw_regex_queue.remove(i) < 1167191948 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1167191950 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@about/copyleft/user/bsmntbombdood JOIN :#esoteric < 1167191957 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go < 1167192000 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hms? < 1167192008 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hms? < 1167192165 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the code thingy? < 1167192172 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1167192224 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my bot? < 1167192281 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What did you change? < 1167192283 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what lang? < 1167192289 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :python < 1167192313 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the "~exec for i in self.raw_regex_queue: i[0].pattern != '.*JOIN :#esoteric.*' or self.raw_regex_queue.remove(i)" took out the on-join hello message thing < 1167192524 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec self.raw("PRIVMSG #esoteric :hai2u") < 1167192524 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hai2u < 1167192721 0 :beastman!i=beastman@d515354B6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1167192732 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello, beastman! < 1167192738 0 :beastman!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1167192752 0 :beastman!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please write "hello world" < 1167192759 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec self.register_raw(".*(JOIN) :#esoteric.*", lambda x : bot.raw("PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi %s!" % re.compile("^:(\S+)!.*").match(x).group(1))) < 1167192771 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~raw PRIVMSG #esoteric hello world < 1167192771 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1167192778 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~raw PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello world < 1167192778 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello world < 1167192790 0 :beastman!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1167192808 0 :beastman!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please, some one write the first 16 numbers of the Fibonacci Sequence. < 1167192840 0 :beastman!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/IRP < 1167192925 0 :beastman!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1167193080 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1167198012 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1167199235 0 :anonfunc!n=dholman@adsl-70-135-59-64.dsl.chi2ca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1167199235 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi anonfunc! < 1167199274 0 :anonfunc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello, bot < 1167200293 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehehe < 1167200330 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's funny < 1167203383 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1167203383 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan! < 1167203973 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1,1,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89,144,233,377,610,987 < 1167206399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1167206400 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1167214895 0 :ivan`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,... < 1167214906 0 :ivan`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er sec < 1167214940 0 :ivan`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1167214956 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1167214986 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what i get for trying to calculate by hand < 1167215039 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather, memorizing the start < 1167219484 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1167219896 0 :tgwizard!n=tgwizard@c-9b3ee155.178-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1167219896 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi tgwizard! < 1167222026 0 :jix_!n=jix@L6349.l.strato-dslnet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1167222027 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi jix_! < 1167222038 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moin < 1167224536 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1167224948 0 :gerard_!n=gerard@ip503c52b0.speed.planet.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1167224948 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi gerard_! < 1167224968 0 :gerard_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi bsmnt_bot! < 1167227816 0 :gerard_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1167232060 0 :gerard_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving." < 1167236480 0 :meolox!i=_____@cpc5-clyd1-0-0-cust91.renf.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1167236480 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi meolox! < 1167236503 0 :meolox!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :print "test" || die "I'm dead for no reason" < 1167236729 0 :meolox!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cout << anyonethere ? "yes" : "no"; < 1167236868 0 :meolox!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1167240602 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is the guy not here < 1167240604 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::\ < 1167240764 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec self.raw_regex_queue.pop() < 1167241777 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip72-200-73-175.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1167243053 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1167243061 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there already was a quicksort on the page < 1167243427 0 :okokokoko!n=villsalo@194.251.102.88 JOIN :#esoteric < 1167243428 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1167243472 0 :okokokoko!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :oklopol < 1167245910 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm... Lua looks pretty cool. < 1167246309 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1167246746 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1167247316 0 :okokoko!n=villsalo@194.251.102.88 JOIN :#esoteric < 1167247334 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1167247683 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is looking for a new language to play around with...
< 1167247698 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something relatively unknown, and usable. < 1167248021 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip72-200-73-175.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1167248646 0 :okokoko!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :oklopol < 1167248702 0 :oklobot2!n=oklobot2@194.251.102.88 JOIN :#esoteric < 1167248712 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a language! D: < 1167248814 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll now prove it to be turing complete < 1167248825 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec "Hello, world!"PrntNl < 1167248828 0 :oklobot2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, world! < 1167249449 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec "Hello, world!"PrntNl < 1167249452 0 :oklobot2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, world! < 1167249496 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec "Argle bargle, glof glyp!"PrntNl < 1167249500 0 :oklobot2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argle bargle, glof glyp! < 1167249569 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, it passed the Turing test in reverse :) < 1167249625 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec "Argle bargle, "PrntNl "glyp glof!"PrntNl < 1167249628 0 :oklobot2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argle bargle, < 1167249632 0 :oklobot2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :glyp glof! < 1167249666 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: D < 1167249683 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :E < 1167249719 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes, there is a relatively unknown language named E) < 1167249732 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::? < 1167249785 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah... < 1167249789 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those damn letter languages. < 1167249792 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too many of them! < 1167249832 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that case, < 1167249834 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Plo < 1167249834 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact there appear to be at least two E languages < 1167249835 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm < 1167249836 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Plof < 1167249860 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was referring to the secure distributed one < 1167249948 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may check out Alice... solely because it has a cool name. < 1167249951 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is shallow.
< 1167249959 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"E" is too bland of a name for my enjoyment. < 1167250059 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec 5["Many hellos!"PrntNlDrp1SubDbl] < 1167250060 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Plof" is a cool name :P < 1167250062 0 :oklobot2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many hellos! < 1167250065 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try programming in pure System F :) < 1167250066 0 :oklobot2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many hellos! < 1167250068 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid lang < 1167250070 0 :oklobot2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many hellos! < 1167250074 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stfu < 1167250074 0 :oklobot2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many hellos! < 1167250078 0 :oklobot2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many hellos! < 1167250121 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1167250282 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec 3["Many hellos!"PrntNl1Sub] < 1167250285 0 :oklobot2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many hellos! < 1167250290 0 :oklobot2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many hellos! < 1167250292 0 :oklobot2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many hellos! < 1167250298 0 :oklobot2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many hellos! < 1167250302 0 :oklobot2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many hellos! < 1167250302 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops < 1167250305 0 :oklobot2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many hellos! < 1167250309 0 :oklobot2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many hellos! < 1167250313 0 :oklobot2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many hellos! < 1167250316 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I know of A, B, C, D, and now E. < 1167250316 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1167250316 0 :oklobot2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many hellos! < 1167250321 0 :oklobot2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many hellos! < 1167250326 0 :oklobot2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many hellos! < 1167250329 0 :oklobot2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many hellos! < 1167250333 0 :oklobot2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many hellos! < 1167250336 0 :oklobot2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many hellos! < 1167250341 0 :oklobot2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many hellos! < 1167250346 0 :oklobot2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many hellos! < 1167250348 0 :oklobot2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many hellos! < 1167250354 0 :oklobot2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many hellos! < 1167250356 0 :oklobot2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many hellos! < 1167250363 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DD < 1167250364 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If only IRC servers followed the timeout principle of yesteryear. < 1167250364 0 :oklobot2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many hellos! < 1167250365 0 :oklobot2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many hellos! < 1167250369 0 :oklobot2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many hellos! < 1167250371 0 :oklobot2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1167250372 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i seem to have seriously misunderstood the [] command < 1167250384 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does a drop < 1167250390 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BURN HIM BURN HIM BURN HIM!!! < 1167250391 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? don't ask me < 1167250392 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1167250405 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PrntNl doesn't do a drop < 1167250410 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? same reason < 1167250415 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What language is this? < 1167250424 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no name < 1167250432 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just made it when i did the bot < 1167250433 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it worked like BF, and the Drp and Dbl were redundant < 1167250443 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What sort of a language is NoName? < 1167250447 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, stack-based, ut brainfuck [] < 1167250457 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*but < 1167250466 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ that sort < 1167250475 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha. < 1167250506 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do a lot of useless stuff with it but outputting sucks so i don't use it that much < 1167250532 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very buggy, also, one night project :) < 1167250535 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec 42PrntNl < 1167250546 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :overkill < 1167250558 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah it's gone < 1167250567 0 :oklobot2!n=oklobot2@194.251.102.88 JOIN :#esoteric < 1167250568 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :retry < 1167250571 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec 42PrntNl < 1167250576 0 :oklobot2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :42 < 1167250581 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's oklobot2 written in? < 1167250584 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c++ < 1167250590 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AH < 1167250597 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGAD, FELLOW! < 1167250622 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1167250662 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0["test"PrntNl] < 1167250671 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec 0["test"PrntNl] < 1167250676 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec 42 1 2 3SubSubSub2MulPrntNl < 1167250677 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EgoBot is written in C++ *shrugs* < 1167250678 0 :oklobot2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :80 < 1167250701 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who wrote it? < 1167250712 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Take a wild guess :P < 1167250723 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i took already :) < 1167250725 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregor? < 1167250733 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You may be correct! < 1167250740 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of it? < 1167250746 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it knows a lot of langs! < 1167250756 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!eval ++1 2 3 < 1167250758 0 :oklobot2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :++1 2 3=6 < 1167250763 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :infix = xD < 1167250804 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec 2 1PrntNlDrpPrntNl < 1167250808 0 :oklobot2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1167250809 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR we could do some steamy code swapping but my code is too dirty < 1167250811 0 :oklobot2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 < 1167250827 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, my code is already out there available. < 1167250833 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forth is still the best stack based language I've seen. < 1167250838 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec 2 1SwpPrntNl < 1167250840 0 :oklobot2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 < 1167250850 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklobot2: Please tell me you write C++ code like GregorR does. < 1167250854 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, link, please < 1167250873 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1167250878 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me or the bot? < 1167250888 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.esolangs.org/files/egobot/ < 1167250910 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: actually Gregor wrote the IRC code and the interface which executes processes et al; the languages are the actual interpreters by various authors, I think you mean that < 1167250938 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1167250945 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zap. < 1167250960 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And in various languages :) < 1167250973 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, y'all who know Forth. < 1167250977 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey can i include langs in it if i make em? :O < 1167250983 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone up for a Forth IRC library? < 1167251036 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1167251055 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<-- does not know Forth < 1167251073 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: So long as they have no I/O other than std{in,out} < 1167251073 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know too few languages GregorR :P < 1167251074 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: GregorR is the one who has to include them since he's who runs the bot, but you can run your own instance and incorporate a language written by you < 1167251126 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew a bit of forth like... 25 years ago or something < 1167251143 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pretty easy to learn. < 1167251144 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(damn, now I feel overaged) < 1167251178 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec 0 5[Dbl1SubDbl]Drp[MulSwpDbl]DrpPrntNl < 1167251181 0 :oklobot2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :120 < 1167251183 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR does the bot take input? < 1167251199 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec 0 10[Dbl1SubDbl]Drp[MulSwpDbl]DrpPrntNl < 1167251201 0 :oklobot2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3628800 < 1167251219 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I challenge the community to make an alternative to EgoBot in CL or Forth. < 1167251227 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't seriously be able to use that, oerjan? < 1167251239 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bwahaha! < 1167251252 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like my factorial program? :) < 1167251265 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1167251313 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Swp < 1167251318 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how? < 1167251330 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just guessed Swp < 1167251335 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Mul < 1167251343 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, you used that above < 1167251349 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i might've < 1167251364 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're sick < 1167251382 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i could have used just one loop if i knew what command does deep copy :) < 1167251402 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a Rot < 1167251404 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for 3 < 1167251418 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1167251420 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deep copy? < 1167251425 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: < 1167251428 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help i < 1167251435 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help i? < 1167251441 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :getting a copy of something not on top of the stack < 1167251442 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait, that's right - Hahahah < 1167251446 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I disabled it last night :P < 1167251450 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It still hasn't pinged out. < 1167251452 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incredible. < 1167251457 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1167251461 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1167251464 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOu were saying? < 1167251465 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;D < 1167251473 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That wasn't a ping timeout. < 1167251473 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, there is no way to do that < 1167251478 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1167251480 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. True. < 1167251488 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet, you want? < 1167251488 0 :EgoBot!n=EgoBot@c-24-22-56-63.hsd1.mn.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1167251491 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help i < 1167251493 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use: i Function: send input to a process < 1167251506 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however i can copy the second item by combining Rot and Dbl. < 1167251513 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see... < 1167251524 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but you cannot copy the nth item < 1167251533 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it don't think it's turing complete < 1167251535 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should add in capability for words, like Forth. < 1167251548 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me of gregor? < 1167251555 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You oklopol. < 1167251563 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That way you can extend the language, kinda. < 1167251564 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec "Sukoshi""o"SubPrntNl < 1167251567 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1167251568 0 :oklobot2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukshi < 1167251570 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The phrase "me of Gregor" < 1167251577 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is how a caveman asks if I'm his father. < 1167251588 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1167251588 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*or < 1167251596 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ... have... the POWER!!!! < 1167251600 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec 1 2 3RotPrntNl < 1167251603 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1167251604 0 :oklobot2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1167251612 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poor EgoBot. < 1167251623 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm so confused! < 1167251629 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1167251653 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, i've made fibonacci and factorials < 1167251667 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and primes, tho don't remember what actually < 1167251670 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something with them < 1167251683 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec 1 10[DblRotMulSwp1SubDbl]DrpPrntNl < 1167251685 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1167251686 0 :oklobot2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3628800 < 1167251708 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :simpler that way < 1167251710 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you cannot concatenate numbers into a string yet < 1167251726 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :simpler than? < 1167251732 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1167251734 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :than using two loops < 1167251740 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it was c/v < 1167251750 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shame on me < 1167251771 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone accept my challenge?! < 1167251773 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c/v? < 1167251784 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copypaste < 1167251785 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. The EgoBot thing. < 1167251828 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know actually whether nums and strings can be concateneted < 1167251831 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ated < 1167251843 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i'll crash the bot now, prolly < 1167251849 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec "o"6AddPrntNl < 1167251854 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1167251876 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :survived but couldn't do it :) < 1167251910 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1167251992 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it _might_ still be Turing complete. We have free use of three variables which should give us a universal Minsky machine. < 1167252019 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make a bf compiler :) < 1167252023 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DD < 1167252034 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, seems it is supported already < 1167252044 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that assumes bignums < 1167252060 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there seems to be a special error type < 1167252094 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklobot has only implementation spesific range for the nums < 1167252127 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec 4 "a"4Add Drp PrntNl < 1167252129 0 :oklobot2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 < 1167252129 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1167252139 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the error was dropped < 1167252155 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll change it now, ayway < 1167252157 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*any < 1167252161 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec 3"test"MulPrntNl < 1167252163 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1167252164 0 :oklobot2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :testtesttest < 1167252173 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay! < 1167252253 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1167252283 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec 6"test"Mul"test"2MulSubPrntNl < 1167252286 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1167252287 0 :oklobot2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :testtesttesttest < 1167252357 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec 6"42"AddPrntNl < 1167252360 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1167252393 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec 42 6DivPrntNl < 1167252396 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1167252396 0 :oklobot2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :7 < 1167252420 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec "TestTest"2DivPrntNl < 1167252424 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1167252433 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i might have it now < 1167252435 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but gotta reboot < 1167252440 0 :oklobot2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1167252455 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have what? < 1167252462 0 :oklobot2!n=oklobot2@194.251.102.88 JOIN :#esoteric < 1167252469 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec 4" elephants"AddPrntNl < 1167252471 0 :oklobot2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : elephants < 1167252472 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1167252474 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1167252477 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost :) < 1167252497 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec 65"elephants"AddPrntNl < 1167252498 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1167252500 0 :oklobot2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elephants < 1167252553 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph < 1167252554 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i blame the compiler < 1167252557 0 :oklobot2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1167252581 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k it crashed < 1167252586 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the compiler < 1167252595 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as i closed the bot < 1167252610 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vc++6, gotta recommend it < 1167252648 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, a few days ago I stumbled upon gcc bug 28545 < 1167252672 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is? < 1167252681 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a miscompiled mul < 1167252720 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :squaring a variable multiplied it with the wrong register < 1167252750 0 :oklobot2!n=oklobot2@194.251.102.88 JOIN :#esoteric < 1167252755 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec 6"6"AddPrntNl < 1167252758 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1167252760 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :debug :) < 1167252784 0 :oklobot2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1167252792 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm an idiot. < 1167252881 0 :oklobot2!n=oklobot2@194.251.102.88 JOIN :#esoteric < 1167252882 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec 6"6"AddPrntNl < 1167252886 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1167252889 0 :oklobot2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :66 < 1167252955 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with bignums, 3 vars is an infinite amount of vars with minited access < 1167252960 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*limited < 1167252972 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what have i been smoking 8| < 1167253228 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any way to pick apart strings? < 1167253312 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :subtraction is the only thing < 1167253314 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think < 1167253315 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can check < 1167253358 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha xD < 1167253372 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec "zupidap"NegPrntNl < 1167253374 0 :oklobot2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :padipuz < 1167253374 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1167253435 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec "dabale arroz a la zorra el abad"NegPrntNl < 1167253437 0 :oklobot2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :daba le arroz al a zorra elabad < 1167253438 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1167253446 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(spanish palindrome) < 1167253474 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec "a man, a plan, a canal, panama"NegPrntNl < 1167253476 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1167253477 0 :oklobot2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :amanap ,lanac a ,nalp a ,nam a < 1167253482 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, no :( < 1167253512 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec "\""PrntNl < 1167253514 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1167253523 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1167253534 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, no way to do that xD < 1167253540 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard to get a quine then < 1167253552 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impossible, proven < 1167253582 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :splitting strings... Div? < 1167253624 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec1.2 1.2AddPrntNl < 1167253628 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1167253644 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no floats... < 1167253647 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope :\ < 1167253663 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a new data type... < 1167253666 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any way to test strings? < 1167253669 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would take time :( < 1167253672 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :test? < 1167253686 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec "asd""fgh"MrePrntNl < 1167253687 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say, for equality, or being empty < 1167253688 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1167253688 0 :oklobot2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1167253693 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec "asd""fgh"LesPrntNl < 1167253696 0 :oklobot2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1167253697 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1167253702 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems there is xD < 1167253709 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't remember anything < 1167253722 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Equ of course too < 1167253760 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec "as" "asd"LesPrntNl < 1167253762 0 :oklobot2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1167253763 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1167253775 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been thinking about considering making a better language.... < 1167253782 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec "as" "asd"MrePrntNl < 1167253784 0 :oklobot2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1167253784 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1167253789 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know K? < 1167253807 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1167253821 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was gonna do K with code as just a list of ints < 1167253831 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually < 1167253837 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't mean to do K < 1167253860 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just happened to bump into it as i was coding my lang and it had most of the features < 1167253870 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it was created just to annoy me < 1167253941 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still don't know what K means < 1167253950 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :floats would require me to alter the raw code parser < 1167253952 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shiver* < 1167253964 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a lang you should learn :) < 1167253966 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very cool < 1167254025 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.answers.com/topic/k-programming-language-1 < 1167254063 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :best use of infix i ever saw < 1167254214 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn, soon there will be more than 26 single-letter languages < 1167254258 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, there is already Omega < 1167254307 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta pick my letter fast before we run out! < 1167254313 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll take iota < 1167254314 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1167254316 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's taken < 1167254342 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pi < 1167254355 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, there is pi calculus < 1167254416 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1167254452 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and at least gamma and lambda < 1167254480 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and rho < 1167254499 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so many langs i don't know < 1167254513 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :luckily most are the same and can be learned in an hour < 1167254525 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(up to fibonacci level!) < 1167254779 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec 1 1 5[RotRotDblRotAddRot1SubDbl]DrpPrntNl < 1167254782 0 :oklobot2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13 < 1167254782 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1167254868 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make it print 10 first in a row, hyphenated < 1167254883 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 might be too much < 1167254889 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1167255109 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec 1 1 9[RotRotDblRotPrnt"-"PrntDrpAddRot1SubDbl]DrpPrntNl < 1167255111 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1167255130 0 :oklobot2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1PRIVMSG #esoteric :-PRIVMSG #esoteric :1PRIVMSG #esoteric :-PRIVMSG #esoteric :2PRIVMSG #esoteric :-PRIVMSG #esoteric :3PRIVMSG #esoteric :-PRIVMSG #esoteric :5PRIVMSG #esoteric :-PRIVMSG #esoteric :8PRIVMSG #esoteric :-PRIVMSG #esoteric :13PRIVMSG #esoteric :-PRIVMSG #esoteric :21PRIVMSG #esoteric :-PRIVMSG #esoteric :34PRIVMSG #esoteric :-PRIVMSG #esoteric :89 < 1167255142 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1167255211 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there no way to print a string without newline? < 1167255255 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe the above may be considered a bug. < 1167255454 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha xD < 1167255457 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nl is needed < 1167255502 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was Prnt first but i separated the newline so that you could "append to irc" without realizing other stuff is sent too :) < 1167255514 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bug < 1167255516 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda < 1167255530 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :supposed to work like that < 1167255537 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but as it doesnt < 1167255546 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec 3"-"4AddAddPrntNl < 1167255549 0 :oklobot2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3-4 < 1167255549 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1167255586 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is i have already used up 3 variables so i don't have room to bring along a string. < 1167255659 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1167255665 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1167255699 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can end according to the sum instead of the number of fibonacci numbers < 1167255707 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it would be cheating, true < 1167255760 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm i can make Lft < 1167255784 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or Cpy < 1167255815 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION snaps his fingers
< 1167255838 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see a solution, though it is ugly < 1167255869 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec 1 1 3[RotRotDblRotAddRot1SubDbl]DrpPrntNl < 1167255871 0 :oklobot2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 < 1167255873 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1167255925 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah :D < 1167255941 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah you can make it with O(n^2) < 1167255952 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :found it too < 1167255955 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it is better than that. < 1167255958 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1167255967 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll see the code then :) < 1167256329 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want that sadol guy here :( < 1167256923 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you gonna do it? < 1167256952 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec 1 1 8[RotRotDblRotAddRot1SubDbl]Drp""Rot[RotRotSwpDbl"-"SwpAddRotAddRotRotSwpDblRotSwpSubSwpRotRotDbl]DrpAddPrntNl < 1167256955 0 :oklobot2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1-1-2-3-5-8-13-21-34-55 < 1167256956 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1167256983 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right on cue :) < 1167257102 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your idea of ending with the sum instead gave me the idea to carry the counter upwards, then the string downwards < 1167257126 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the basic fibonacci algorithm is reversible < 1167257193 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :god i'm stupid :O < 1167257197 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so obvious < 1167257228 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it does duplicate work in a way < 1167257280 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true, but i would've made it O(n^2) so... < 1167257341 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1167257344 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by recalculating completely for each value? < 1167257351 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes :) < 1167257418 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec 1 1 5[RotRotDblRotAddRot1SubDbl]DrpPrntNl < 1167257420 0 :oklobot2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13 < 1167257421 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1167257563 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec "" 10 [ Dbl 1 1 Rot 2Sub[RotRotDblRotAddRot1SubDbl]Drp Rot "-"Add Swp 1 Sub Dbl ] I have no idea anymore... fucking headache :(( < 1167257565 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1167257574 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec "" 10 [ Dbl 1 1 Rot 2Sub[RotRotDblRotAddRot1SubDbl]Drp Rot "-"Add Swp 1 Sub Dbl ] DrpPrntNl < 1167257578 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1167257609 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe in the morning... can't think now < 1167257707 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec "" 10 [ Dbl 1 1 Rot 2Sub[RotRotDblRotAddRot1SubDbl]Drp Rot Add"-"Add Swp 1 Sub Dbl ] DrpPrntNl < 1167257710 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1167257840 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec "" 10 [ Dbl 1 1 Rot 2Sub[RotRotDblRotAddRot1SubDbl]Drp RotSwp Add"-"Add Swp 1 Sub Dbl ] DrpPrntNl < 1167257842 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1167257846 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't see the problem :( < 1167257862 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec "anyone there?"PrntNl < 1167257864 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1167257864 0 :oklobot2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone there? < 1167257872 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1167257880 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me the problem < 1167257895 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why don't we do an active debug session on that code? < 1167257961 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklobot2 is not that interactive < 1167257976 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan can you see my problem? < 1167258001 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1167258008 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm an idiot < 1167258011 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the problem < 1167258023 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec 1 1 5[RotRotDblRotAddRot1SubDbl]DrpPrntNlDrpPrntNlDrpPrntNl < 1167258025 0 :oklobot2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13 < 1167258026 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1167258029 0 :oklobot2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 < 1167258035 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you certainly seem to have an overly low self-esteem... < 1167258064 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec "" 10 [ Dbl 1 1 Rot 2Sub[RotRotDblRotAddRot1SubDbl]Drp SwpDrp RotSwp Add"-"Add Swp 1 Sub Dbl ] DrpPrntNl < 1167258066 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1167258069 0 :oklobot2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1167258072 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1167258098 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just about to convince myself you needed that change < 1167258122 0 :oklobot2!n=oklobot2@194.251.102.88 JOIN :#esoteric < 1167258162 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta have more probs < 1167258176 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i won't rewrite it from scratch! < 1167258188 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if it takes only a minute < 1167258223 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec "" 10 [ Dbl 1 1 Rot 2Sub[RotRotDblRotAddRot1SubDbl]Drp PrntNl SwpDrp RotSwp Add"-"Add Swp 1 Sub Dbl ] DrpPrntNl < 1167258226 0 :oklobot2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :55 < 1167258226 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1167258231 0 :oklobot2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :34 < 1167258233 0 :oklobot2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21 < 1167258238 0 :oklobot2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13 < 1167258243 0 :oklobot2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 < 1167258245 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems to work fine < 1167258248 0 :oklobot2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 < 1167258250 0 :oklobot2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 < 1167258254 0 :oklobot2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 < 1167258258 0 :oklobot2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1167258262 0 :oklobot2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1167258265 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1167258310 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do the thing for negative numbers < 1167258324 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and for some reason it doesn't like it < 1167258330 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1167258351 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my problem is the "module" which i regarded as "safe" < 1167258369 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try using [ Dbl 0 1 Rot 1Sub < 1167258404 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec "" 10 [ Dbl 0 1 Rot 1Sub[RotRotDblRotAddRot1SubDbl]Drp PrntNl SwpDrp RotSwp Add"-"Add Swp 1 Sub Dbl ] DrpPrntNl < 1167258406 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1167258407 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even [Dbl 1Neg 0 Rot < 1167258408 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops < 1167258442 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec "" 10 [ Dbl 0 1 Rot 1Sub[RotRotDblRotAddRot1SubDbl]DrpSwpDrp RotSwp Add"-"Add Swp 1 Sub Dbl ] PrntNl < 1167258446 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1167258459 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bot's not here < 1167258465 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1167258469 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what? < 1167258477 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm an idiot. < 1167258483 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd kick myself if i was op < 1167258492 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bot is ON < 1167258506 0 :oklobot2!n=oklobot2@194.251.102.88 JOIN :#esoteric < 1167258510 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec "" 10 [ Dbl 0 1 Rot 1Sub[RotRotDblRotAddRot1SubDbl]DrpSwpDrp RotSwp Add"-"Add Swp 1 Sub Dbl ] DrpPrntNl < 1167258512 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1167258518 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha :D < 1167258519 0 :oklobot2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1167258532 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a non-irc debugger also < 1167258542 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but would take me a year to locate the folder < 1167258556 0 :oklobot2!n=oklobot2@194.251.102.88 JOIN :#esoteric < 1167258556 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i repeat: or even [Dbl 1Neg 0 Rot < 1167258593 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but but btu butbtu < 1167258628 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec "" 11 [ Dbl 0 1 Rot 1Sub[RotRotDblRotAddRot1SubDbl]DrpSwpDrp RotSwp Add"-"Add Swp 1 Sub 1Gre ] DrpPrntNl < 1167258631 0 :oklobot2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1167258632 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1167258635 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mre < 1167258637 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not Gre < 1167258665 0 :oklobot2!n=oklobot2@194.251.102.88 JOIN :#esoteric < 1167258665 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to keep the Dbl as well < 1167258678 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1167258688 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1167258694 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec "" 11 [ Dbl 0 1 Rot 1Sub[RotRotDblRotAddRot1SubDbl]DrpSwpDrp RotSwp Add"-"Add Swp 1 Sub Dbl1Mre ] DrpPrntNl some day... < 1167258696 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1167258697 0 :oklobot2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :89-55-34-21-13-8-5-3-2-1- < 1167258702 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YE! < 1167258719 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec "" 11 [ Dbl 0 1 Rot 1Sub[RotRotDblRotAddRot1SubDbl]DrpSwpDrp Rot Add"-"Add Swp 1 Sub Dbl1Mre ] DrpPrntNl < 1167258721 0 :oklobot2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :123581321345589---------- < 1167258722 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1167258725 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1167258736 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec "" 11 [ Dbl 0 1 Rot 1Sub[RotRotDblRotAddRot1SubDbl]DrpSwpDrp Rot "-"AddAdd Swp 1 Sub Dbl1Mre ] DrpPrntNl < 1167258738 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1167258738 0 :oklobot2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :123581321345589---------- < 1167258821 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec "" 11 [ Dbl 0 1 Rot 1Sub[RotRotDblRotAddRot1SubDbl]DrpSwpDrp Rot Add"-"SwpAdd Swp 1 Sub Dbl1Mre ] DrpPrntNl < 1167258824 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1167258828 0 :oklobot2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-1-2-3-5-8-13-21-34-55-89 < 1167258838 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!exec "" 11 [ Dbl 0 1 Rot 1Sub[RotRotDblRotAddRot1SubDbl]DrpSwpDrp Rot Add"-"SwpAdd Swp 1 Sub Dbl1Mre ] Drp"-"SubPrntNl < 1167258841 0 :oklobot2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1-2-3-5-8-13-21-34-55-89 < 1167258842 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1167258847 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay! < 1167258851 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1167258852 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1167258863 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i managed to make a worse version! < 1167258888 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not really that lousy, it's the head, must be :D < 1167260084 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow... that's a weird language. < 1167260113 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm... it reminds me of like... the stack of a prettier language. < 1167260125 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the procedures appear after the input and such. < 1167260374 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one is a pretty standard bad stack-based language :) < 1167260377 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should see my esoteric ones < 1167260586 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... at least it's easy to parse :D < 1167260637 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :infix and stack-based are, that's why i usually make them :) < 1167260640 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*prefix < 1167260643 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :polish < 1167260646 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :notation < 1167260651 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not infix < 1167260655 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the hard one < 1167260659 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hard" < 1167260773 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... like 2+ 2? < 1167260847 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1167260856 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is 2 + 2 infix? < 1167260860 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION forgot his terminology
< 1167260862 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1167260885 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh... method calls are "almsost prefix" < 1167260896 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've made two infix parsers < 1167260914 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zu < 1167260922 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :each worse than the other < 1167260929 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun. < 1167260956 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1167260978 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know how you sometimes get the feeling you gotta make an infix parser < 1167261032 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night" < 1167261130 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...no < 1167261138 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host81-158-88-90.range81-158.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1167261148 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? < 1167261153 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...nope < 1167261177 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you life for then? < 1167261177 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... I see how they would be neato. < 1167261180 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*live < 1167261181 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like subject verb... < 1167261213 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<.< < 1167261225 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made an infix parser for my test-case CAS. < 1167261238 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to sleep goddamned, is there a sleepy language? :\ < 1167261241 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think parsing things in the order they are to be... evaluated... makes the most sense. :D < 1167261244 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, they're all great :( < 1167261249 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C is fairly boring. < 1167261267 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's not your most conceptually radical language on the block. < 1167261276 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's fast and gets the job done. < 1167261370 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION finds it confusing and annoying to work with.
< 1167261395 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like a big rubix cube. < 1167261405 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That random goes off into undefined behavior. < 1167261417 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only reason C is confusing is because you're thinking too much. < 1167261427 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's almost no other reason for it to be confusing. < 1167261466 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's easier to train someone in C than it is a lot of other languages because the conceptual baggage is so small. Pointers are ``complicated'' ? Yeah right, compare pointers to multiple inheritance. < 1167261468 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't thinking by definition the only thing that can cunfuse you? < 1167261468 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ is far better for undefined behaviour < 1167261474 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*confuse < 1167261538 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the only thing complicated about a pointer is that it's stupid terminology (why not simply call it an address?). < 1167261557 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't have to be an address < 1167261564 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I was thinking that. < 1167261565 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think the C standard says that anywhere < 1167261588 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, is a pointer a big sign with letters on it? No :P < 1167261627 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who knows, maybe someone will write a C interpreter, then it will just be a ... something :o < 1167261641 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are C interpreters out there, I'll betcha. < 1167261681 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I think maybe for a tad bit more ``cleanliness'' offer an alternative syntax for something like ``ptr int a; int b; a = (ptr) b;'' < 1167261704 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note: I didn't think that through for a long time, so if there are conceptual errors, guffaw for you.) < 1167261721 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VB used to have AddressOf and ValueAt ;) < 1167261738 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woaha. VB had pointers? :D < 1167261751 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vb had everything < 1167261767 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see the use of pointeres.... < 1167261778 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: ..................... ? < 1167261804 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imagine you have a magic function `` int magic'' < 1167261818 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean... why do you want to explicitly define something to be a reference? < 1167261831 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: How else would you? < 1167261832 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could just make everything a reference to an underlying thing in memory < 1167261857 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then how would you assign anything to anywhere? < 1167261895 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think I understand your argument, but that's a question for more clarification.) < 1167261899 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with... a variable assignment? < 1167261915 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :java-- < 1167261917 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe? < 1167261925 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x = 2 < 1167261944 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh... it's how Python works. Although I don't exactly grasp the entire concept of a pointer, so I may have a bad idea of what they do. < 1167261957 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No no, you've hit on the ages-old pointer gripe (I think). < 1167261971 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a pointer is an integer :\ < 1167261976 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing else. < 1167261985 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think, and here I'm not sure even, that the concept of a pointer is seperated from a normal variable only for the sake of side-effects in code. < 1167262034 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that, a function can have a copy of something, modify it to he**, and make the rest of the program none the wiser. Now why referential passing isn't default behavior and value passing is is anyone's guess. < 1167262056 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*and value passing a special case < 1167262163 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Python, everything is implicitly a reference, and there are ways to "copy" the value of an object so that it's a separate entity. < 1167262177 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's something I'm not too fond of. < 1167262191 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because the concept of a reference is implied, not explicity. < 1167262203 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x = [1,2,3,4,5,6]; x = y; x.append(2); x == y <---True < 1167262210 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er... < 1167262212 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y = x < 1167262234 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Effeciency wise, that's slow. It's also annoying with low-level code. Plus it makes you memorize rules (like in Java, objects reference pass, but basic types value pass). < 1167262259 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm, seems intuitive to me, but Python is my first language soooo... < 1167262279 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a'cuz you don't bit-twiddle much. < 1167262321 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That distinction in conjunction with structs are what really give C power. My gripe is simply over the default distinction. < 1167262326 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's basically just for mutable sequences... immutable data can't be altered, and thus the difference reference and value is pretty much nothing. < 1167262359 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But... you have to memorize what's mutable and immutable. < 1167262367 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Giving you less flexibility on how you manage data. < 1167262369 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrugs* Doesn't take too long. < 1167262407 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tuples and strings are immutable. Lists and dictionaries are mutable. < 1167262473 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and since OO in Python is basically just a pretty interface over dictionaries... classes and objects are mutable. < 1167262602 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But why should a language even decide what data is or is not mutable? < 1167262624 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrugs* It's just sort of the nature of the data itself that makes it so. < 1167262643 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember where C is aimed. Not for building complex idioms or beautiful programs, it was originally designed to build OSs. < 1167262665 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not an enforced thing... a mutable object can be duplicated. < 1167262668 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You aren't going to get speed and control out of something that decides mutability for you. < 1167262691 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nods* Different design goals. < 1167262712 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and since I'm not building OSes... I don't see much of a need for the paranoid efficiency of C. :D < 1167262739 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anything low-level, including I can almost guarantee, Python's interpreter. < 1167262782 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Copying files, talking on a network, etc, etc. < 1167262800 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh... Python isn't as slow as people make it out to be. < 1167262814 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you use it right, it works fine for normal environments. < 1167262830 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, I'm not going to use Python to make something that copies files for me. < 1167262845 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or handles enormous amounts of data with/without transformations. < 1167262854 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi: well the harddisk will be the bottleneck even when you use python (for just copying) < 1167262867 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix_: Errr, I meant not *just* copying. < 1167262880 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then yes.... < 1167262906 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could consider file copying a "normal" situation. < 1167262912 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heck, some people even rewrite portions of libc and stdlib to get the speed they want in certain situations. < 1167262914 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python would work fine for file manipulations. < 1167262925 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doing things like a chess AI is a thing i don't want to do in c because writing it in c is a pain in the ass but i don't want to use other higher level languages because i use too much performance :/ < 1167262932 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people are insanely paranoid about speed. < 1167262956 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Premature optimization. < 1167262970 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: If you're writing a utility that's going to be widely used, portable on many OSs, or is something of that nature, you're going to use C. < 1167263003 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm working on a project now (we're hoping to get it accepted into GNU) that deals a *lot* with sockets and files and parsers. This is C's domain. < 1167263015 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's simply because C is used everywhere. < 1167263022 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree with Sukoshi. why I use C is mainly for portability, not for speed. < 1167263040 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Higher level languages are a pain to ensure portability for. < 1167263053 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The higher the language, the harder to implement the idioms on different platforms. < 1167263079 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah most portable apps are written in c..... < 1167263088 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a utility for Python that compiles the entire program into an .exe that can work independent of a python interpreter. < 1167263090 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or c++ that's pretty portable too < 1167263097 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure... it adds a few MBs to the file size... but it's portable. :D < 1167263100 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: on mac os x? < 1167263106 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1167263116 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus, the project I'm working on still is pretty slow compared to (one of) its competitor(s) (the project has multiple functions) -- GNU cp. < 1167263119 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: on some propertary(wrong spelling for sure... i hate that word) embedded device? < 1167263120 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use XP myself... but the utility is independent of OS < 1167263135 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no.. it's just a... program. < 1167263159 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The mmap patch I recently committed sped it up, but we still need more optimizations. < 1167263166 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix_, but if you use somewhat difficult feature of C++, you could not get much portability < 1167263184 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tokigun: i don't know.... never coded c++ myself.. i don't like it < 1167263192 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tokigun: Oh *GOD*, I remember trying to write a SWIG wrapper for some complex C++ code... it was a nightmare. < 1167263195 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... it might be windows-only though... so maybe not. < 1167263197 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Template/boost hell. < 1167263205 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but milkytracker is written in c++ and is pretty portable... < 1167263238 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it is mainly due to compiler (not target platform), since specification of C++ is hard to implement. < 1167263273 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you use restricted set of features in C++ only, almost all compiler can compile your program. but you should be careful. < 1167263312 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesn't worry much about portability... most of his projects are directed towards personal use or developer use.
< 1167263319 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example Mozilla doesn't use "mutable" keyword, because some C++ compilers don't support it. < 1167263419 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :considering this, boost is very carefully written library to support almost major (including buggy) compilers. < 1167264576 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1167267231 0 :ivan`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- IRC with a difference" < 1167269544 0 :ivan`!n=ivan`@wikipedia/ivan JOIN :#esoteric < 1167269818 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host81-158-88-90.range81-158.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1167269955 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1167272894 0 :Renan_s2!n=renan@unaffiliated/Renans2/x-000001 JOIN :#esoteric < 1167272905 0 :Renan_s2!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1167276538 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Bitte waehlen Sie eine Beerdigungnachricht" < 1167277710 0 :RodgerTheGreat!n=Rodger@c-68-42-107-2.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1167277728 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :howdy! What's everyone been up to during their vacation? < 1167278182 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Traveling to malodruos places < 1167281538 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm... standardization should bear in mind the option of flexibility of the standard... < 1167281558 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forwards-compatibility? < 1167281560 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe there should be a meta-standard... some sort of standardization for how to define standards. < 1167281569 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically... yes. < 1167281597 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can become impossible to change a standard once it gains inertia. < 1167281621 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you have some way to easily redefine your standard so that all parties are aware of the change. < 1167281659 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, HTML has done a pretty good job of growing over time without breaking itself, although it's certainly starting to show it's age < 1167281703 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Telnet is strangely good at allowing changes in standard. < 1167281726 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you usually do a transaction to see if both sides are simplementing the same option. < 1167281747 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do version checks and such. < 1167281817 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION begins crafting the "protocol protocol"... a protocol for specifying your protocol.
< 1167282014 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the data contains instrunctions about the specifics of its protocol.... making changes in a protocol become less difficult. < 1167282074 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how you would create such a general meta-protocol is beyond me at the moment. < 1167282331 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonus points for creating a meta-protocol whose semantics themselves constitute a turing-complete system < 1167282396 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neat. < 1167282441 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once I start working out the specifics I'll begin specifying commonly used standards and protocols in my meta-protocol... so I can work out the specifics? < 1167282452 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thiink it constitutes as an esoteric language? :D: :D :D < 1167282468 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe if I make it with strange syntax and concepts... < 1167282549 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1167282562 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like you have a concept there < 1167282653 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g'night everybody < 1167282657 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see ya < 1167282672 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1167283318 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"haaaaaaaaaa" < 1167285869 0 :CakeProphet!n=CakeProp@h152.243.213.151.ip.alltel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1167286485 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1167287548 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: You can look at A/BNF for inspiration. < 1167288162 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm? < 1167288229 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe sorry if it takes a while to reply < 1167288274 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is learning dvorakv
< 1167289147 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good god, people still use QWERTY? < 1167289180 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Augmented/Backus Naur Format. < 1167289215 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pretty much the defact parser/protocol description pseudo-language, and it's used by parser generators to generate parsers for the protocols. < 1167289323 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*defacto < 1167289549 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it only expresses syntax... not what it means < 1167289648 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. Same with A/BNF. < 1167289689 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was talking about a/bnf < 1167289697 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1167289699 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't represent the meaning of syntax < 1167289712 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inspiration, I said. < 1167289734 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea is to have a language for describing your standard... so that making changes to a standard simply requires you to change the metalanguage describing your standard. < 1167289755 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :G'luck with it. < 1167289765 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the inertia of a popular standard doesn't make it linger around longer than it should (like QWERTY persisting over dvorak) < 1167289778 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh and look at the billions of other structure descriptions out there too. < 1167289791 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*structure description languages < 1167289799 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like XML and stuffs. < 1167290168 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm... xml doesn't seem to have protocol implementation in mind. < 1167290193 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's too verboose for something like that. < 1167290384 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1167291470 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe... there should be key layout designed for programmers < 1167292799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1167292800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1167294897 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1167298051 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I missed the discussion on languages of yesterday < 1167298389 0 :ivan`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't learn anything besides qwerty because i've got qwerty memorized in 20 different hand positions and have spinal reflexes for error-correction < 1167298397 0 :ivan`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to switch is the worst mental exercise ever < 1167298413 0 :ivan`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 100wpm is fast enough for me < 1167299291 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agree < 1167299348 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like that braindamaged standard that Gnome usability "experts" are trying to impose < 1167299478 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the "yes" button in the far right; the "cancel" button next to it and to the left and the "no" button next to the cancel one) < 1167299513 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. in "Save work?" dialogs < 1167299740 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :re languages, I think you must be a polyglot in a sufficient number of languages if you want to take different projects, since every project has a set of "adequate" languages, a set of "inadequate but feasible" languages and a set of "infeasible" languages < 1167299768 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here, "infeasible" means for practical purposes < 1167299807 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the first two sets may even be empty) < 1167299953 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody would write an OS or a RDBMS in JavaScript (I think) < 1167300015 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody can write anything but JavaScript and (in some cases) VBScript in a web page (with a relaxed sense of "nobody" but you get the idea) < 1167300084 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody would write a program like InkScape in assembler < 1167300125 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody would write a library like GMP in anything other than assembler and C < 1167300165 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(aiming for the best possible speed, that is) < 1167300185 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's an orthagonally persistent operating system being written in Python. < 1167300191 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or.. "mostly" Python. < 1167300233 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody would write a program to find (not just search) the factorization of Fermat numbers in Python < 1167300249 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if it has the support needed < 1167300270 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't exclude Python for OSes :) < 1167300324 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe... a Perl operating system :D < 1167300331 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yesterday I found myself looking for the best language to write a simple application that represents a graph, with the limitation that it must support arbitrary precision (and not lots of speed) < 1167300332 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :written in one file. < 1167300448 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after checking that my PHP installation did not support GMP, I tried generating a PBM in C and viewing it with an external viewer. It worked but it required too many steps for it to be uselful to explore the graph. < 1167300479 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ended up learning a bit of TkInter and writing it in Python. < 1167300502 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My point is that every project has an adequate language (and it can be subjective). < 1167300710 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the result is here: ) < 1167300824 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn, my server still breaks with python files even if they're renamed as .txt < 1167300983 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.formauri.es/personal/pgimeno/temp/functional-art.txt < 1167300986 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rename to .py < 1167301147 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and you can write a Malbolge interpreter in Python but it's pretty slow < 1167301171 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or at least that's my experience) < 1167301471 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 99bob takes ages (it takes 13 million Malbolge instructions to complete IIRC, not negligible if the underlaying language is slow) < 1167301961 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python is usually adequately fast for my purposes. < 1167302048 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its also the programmer that makes the program slow ;;) < 1167304859 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try to write a Malbolge interpreter in Python, it's pretty simple < 1167307340 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then compare the C version with the Python version when running 99BOB < 1167313392 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host81-158-88-90.range81-158.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1167316950 0 :jix_!n=jix@L6046.l.strato-dslnet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1167318176 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1167318382 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@21-173.provalue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1167318428 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1167318442 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@21-173.provalue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1167318463 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry; needed IRC in my screen session. < 1167318538 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pikhq.nonlogic.org/bfm.tar.bz2 < 1167318546 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pikhq.nonlogic.org/basm.tar.bz2 < 1167318564 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're under the 5000 character mark on basm. . . :) < 1167319971 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4629 characters for EOF=0, 4282 for EOF=-1. < 1167320595 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION assumes nobody's in the mood to care ATM
< 1167320892 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ba < 1167322092 0 :theblue!n=theblue@pool-72-83-124-87.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1167322098 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Lo. < 1167322159 0 :theblue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi. < 1167323205 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders what to code. . .
< 1167323344 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :recode it all < 1167323348 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it all sucks < 1167323352 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, everything < 1167323374 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BFM? < 1167323378 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1167323388 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But. . . I've already written that. . . < 1167323390 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Twice! < 1167323396 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not your programs < 1167323396 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1167323400 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :programs in general < 1167323403 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they suck < 1167323403 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION no wanna
< 1167323409 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should rewrite them < 1167323411 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really < 1167323420 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The programs I use kick-ass, actually. < 1167323421 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1167323426 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? < 1167323429 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are they? < 1167323435 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ratpoison. < 1167323438 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNU Screen. < 1167323440 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Emacs. < 1167323442 0 :theblue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eww! < 1167323445 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1167323446 0 :theblue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That one DOES suck. < 1167323446 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Firefox (with Conkeror). < 1167323463 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :firefox sucks! < 1167323464 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1167323470 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no OS but GNU, and Linux is one of it's kernels. < 1167323474 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Not with Conkeror. < 1167323480 0 :theblue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I know, but Emacs sucks. < 1167323480 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gives it Emacsy bindings. < 1167323481 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it? < 1167323484 0 :theblue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Use vim. < 1167323506 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll prolly say it sucks if it's graphical and has a non-touring complete interface :) < 1167323506 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :theblue: Blasphemer. < 1167323514 0 :theblue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Elitist. < 1167323514 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not and, or < 1167323519 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Javascript is Turing complete. < 1167323533 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's semi-graphical. < 1167323548 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, the browser itself is not a console with commands that load pages etc < 1167323555 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it sucks! < 1167323555 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1167323565 0 :theblue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: elinks? < 1167323567 0 :theblue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: w3m? < 1167323615 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Actually, with Conkeror, that's about what it is. < 1167323641 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1167323642 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1167323668 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'll wait 10 years and hopefully be able to make my own systems < 1167323676 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or 30 < 1167323679 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have time < 1167323988 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host81-158-88-90.range81-158.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1167324018 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Saluton. < 1167324617 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hugs ratpoison
< 1167324928 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1167324933 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not safe! < 1167325819 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is. < 1167326343 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU are safe! < 1167326366 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION feels his flesh melt from the laptop's compile job
< 1167327265 0 :theblue_!n=theblue@pool-72-83-124-87.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1167328540 0 :theblue!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :No route to host < 1167328745 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1167328992 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip72-200-73-175.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1167329002 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey. < 1167329158 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: New release of BFM and Basm is up, if you care. < 1167329166 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basm? < 1167329178 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: My Brainfuck->C compiler, written in BFM. < 1167329217 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh, was hoping it was an assembler for bf < 1167329236 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I. . . Think you've already written on. < 1167329237 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1167329337 0 :theblue_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :theblue < 1167329453 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basm, I believe, is now the smallest BF->C compiler in BF. < 1167329591 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1167329597 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many chars? < 1167329649 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4629 characters for EOF=0, 4282 for EOF=-1. < 1167329675 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the EOF=-1 build has a shorter string to output for ,) < 1167329729 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : string string2! "*p=getchar();" < 1167329742 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :String for EOF=-1. < 1167329747 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : string string2! "*p=getchar();if(feof(stdin)) *p=0;" < 1167329758 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :String for EOF=0. Makes for a good demonstration. ;) < 1167329796 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the space necessary before *p ? < 1167329801 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not. < 1167329813 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not < 1167329821 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ugly, take it away < 1167329823 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1167329841 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1167329858 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :might also be able to use #define to squeeze things down.. for example "if(" and "*p=" < 1167329871 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is this: string string2! < 1167329890 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defines a C-style string named string2! < 1167329919 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: Yeah, but the #define would make the initially output string longer. < 1167329956 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yeah.. you'd have to weight the #define against the savings you'd get from it < 1167329962 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weigh rather < 1167329984 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't be worth it. < 1167329989 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whole line versus a small handful of characters. < 1167330005 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, how many times do you use if( and *p= ? < 1167330013 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if( is used once. < 1167330018 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*p= is used once. < 1167330023 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :p= is used thrice. < 1167330026 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about *p < 1167330066 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1167330066 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Twice. < 1167330094 0 :theblue_!n=theblue@pool-72-83-124-87.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1167330123 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The initial string-setting code really isn't that large, as it is. . . < 1167330148 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if(feof(stdin))*p=0; < 1167330148 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*p=feof(stdin)?0:p; < 1167330156 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^^ one char shorter :) < 1167330173 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1976 characters for EOF=0, 1634 for EOF=-1. . . < 1167330179 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now that might be worth-while. < 1167330187 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari, *p=p is not good < 1167330198 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*p=feof(stdin)?0:*p; is the same length < 1167330216 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: ahh < 1167330231 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bummer hehe < 1167330251 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one might turn out smaller than the other, depending on his text->bf algorithm < 1167330258 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*p*=!feof(stdin); on the other hand < 1167330267 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1167330273 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1167330279 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My text->bf algorithm is remarkably simple. < 1167330295 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the smallest possible. < 1167330299 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For each character in the string, fill a cell using a stdcons call. < 1167330321 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :might also try comma to separate commands rather than ; .. might take less charas, depending on placement < 1167330324 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(look in macro.tcl, proc string, for the gory details) < 1167330335 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: In main(). < 1167330355 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beyond that, I can't be certain. < 1167330380 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm not sure if the stdcons implementation of ; is shorter than ,. < 1167330392 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which language is that? < 1167330392 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could try it and see < 1167330423 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: What? The language Basm is written in? < 1167330427 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: paste all the c code.. let's see what else might be optimized < 1167330430 0 :yoga!i=yoga@ip-141-139.interbild.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1167330436 0 :alpha_q!n=bobi@85.91.145.105 JOIN :#esoteric < 1167330448 0 :theblue!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1167330453 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :string string0! "#include < 1167330454 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :char b\[30000]; < 1167330454 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :char *p=b; < 1167330454 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :main()\{" < 1167330454 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :string string1! "putchar(*p);" < 1167330456 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if-1 { string string2! "*p=getchar();" < 1167330458 0 :alpha_q!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please say "!Ola mundo!" < 1167330458 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :} < 1167330461 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if0 { string string2! "*p=getchar();if(feof(stdin))*p=0;" < 1167330463 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :} < 1167330466 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :string string3! "while(*p)\{" < 1167330468 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :string string4! "p+=" < 1167330471 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :string string5! "p-=" < 1167330499 0 :alpha_q!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... doesnt work < 1167330510 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :char b\[30000],*p=b; < 1167330516 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!Ola mando! < 1167330518 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1167330521 0 :alpha_q!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1167330529 0 :alpha_q!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :close < 1167330542 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can remove the newlines.. so < 1167330547 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: That parses to char b[30000]=b;char *p=b; < 1167330556 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it does? < 1167330562 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: Pretty certain. < 1167330572 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh, I thought you were just outputting text < 1167330585 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: It's outputting text which is compiled into C code. -_-' < 1167330598 0 :yoga!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1167330615 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see what you're saying.. I'm pretty sure it doesn't parse that way < 1167330626 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try it. < 1167330627 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea what you're even doing :) < 1167330669 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pikhq.nonlogic.org/basm.tar.bz2 has the full Basm source code. . . < 1167330676 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :char b\[30000],*p=b;main()\{ < 1167330684 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And http://pikhq.nonlogic.org/bfm.tar.bz2 has the BFM code necessary to compile it. < 1167330698 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you'll need to install Tcl and Tcllib for BFM) < 1167330751 0 :alpha_q!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"ako izleza ot irc s toia message znachi e stanalo neshto neobichaino" < 1167330813 0 :ihope!n=foo@cpe-071-075-184-182.carolina.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1167330830 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suddenly feel like going fast and such. < 1167330832 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*echm* < 1167330833 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck. < 1167330863 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Code got borken somewhere. < 1167330927 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try reverting the if( code < 1167330946 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just it. . . < 1167330957 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the *logic* that's borken. < 1167330978 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION disables the BFM optimizer
< 1167331001 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shit. < 1167331036 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's a BFM bug. < 1167331040 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :9<<9 = 4608, so I guess 30000 is the best you can do for 30000 < 1167331067 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, I always thought the de facto block length thingy was a bit harsh. < 1167331103 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>> print 9<<99 < 1167331103 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5704427701027032306735164424192 < 1167331105 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1167331137 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :99<<99! < 1167331141 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that that's too much bigger. < 1167331159 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :369729637649726772657187905628805440595668764281741102430259972423552570455277523421410650010128232727940978889548326540119429996769494359451621570193644014418071060667659301384999779999159200499899! < 1167331160 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :9<<999 would be tho < 1167331164 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1167331182 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :48217887323382029442679127207700081475263216526749012334968767476665797300622125512193927046706313615741760281289891607133421537856154131961930599086143586617705554986709039434394835722780670138450793819688709137426118735703294454016244947757346783115570384149589439754471934242436809740767425506312192 < 1167331184 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :999<<(999<<(999<<(999<<(999<<999)))) < 1167331189 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1167331198 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea is to have the shortest string < 1167331207 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup; it was a BFM bug. < 1167331236 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fixed with an older build of a stdlib macro. < 1167331246 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for length 4 or 5, regular decimal is the best you can do < 1167331334 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I should have said is for 1000-99999, regular decimal is the best you can do < 1167331335 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not portable, but what about -1>>1? < 1167331347 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let a 0 n=n^n;a m 0=a(m-1)1;a m n=a(m-1)$a m(n-1)in a 9 9 < 1167331347 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not shorter than 30000 < 1167331365 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Which, apparently, is 1. < 1167331380 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no but the result might be bigger < 1167331383 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION discovers more bugs
< 1167331383 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.. wait < 1167331384 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let a 0 n=n^n+1;a m 0=a(m-1)1;a m n=a(m-1)$a m(n-1)in a 9 9 < 1167331389 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-1.. that's shorter :) < 1167331394 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a bit bigger. < 1167331425 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you probably can't do char b[-1] < 1167331466 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I've got bugs fixed. < 1167331471 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :char b[30000],*p=b;main(){ < 1167331474 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That works. :) < 1167331482 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k good < 1167331501 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure of the definition of >> for negative numbers. is it implementation-dependent whether it preserves the sign bit? < 1167331501 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*p=getchar();*p*=!feof(stdin); < 1167331505 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That, too, works. :D < 1167331508 0 :theblue!n=theblue@pool-72-83-124-87.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1167331513 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Pretty much. < 1167331519 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what are the new lengths? < 1167331541 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so -1>>1 _could_ be pretty big. or maybe the precedence is wrong too. < 1167331567 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4466 for EOF=0, 4184 for EOF=-1. < 1167331587 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1167331610 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me try and finish up some work on itoa and divmod; those older versions are a bit longer than they should be. < 1167331871 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. . . The hell? < 1167331884 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My changes to itoa.bfm and divmod.bfm somehow made the source. . . longer. < 1167331911 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: why not this? char*p[30000];main(){ < 1167331973 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: Um. . . That's a pointer to an array of char arrays, I think. . . < 1167332006 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternately, an array of strings. < 1167332170 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1167332173 0 :theblue_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1167332173 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :help ps kill i eof flush show ls bf_txtgen usertrig daemon undaemon < 1167332175 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1l 2l adjust axo bch bf{8,[16],32,64} funge93 fyb fybs glass glypho kipple lambda lazyk linguine malbolge pbrain qbf rail rhotor sadol sceql trigger udage01 unlambda whirl < 1167332189 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try Glass. < 1167332201 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then again, BF might be nice. < 1167332209 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, Glass is better. < 1167332406 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4457 for EOF=0, 4175 for EOF=-1. < 1167332451 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbc wrote one that is 874 for EOF=0 < 1167332480 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.hevanet.com/cristofd/brainfuck/dbf2c.b < 1167332481 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: Does his optimize? < 1167332488 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not < 1167332498 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. . . No, it sure as hell doesn't. < 1167332547 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, mine is still better. :) < 1167332552 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not smaller, but better. < 1167332567 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is going to start calling basm the smallest *optimizing* Brainfuck compiler, then.
< 1167332570 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you had said you thought yours was the shorest, so I was clearing that up :) < 1167332585 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks. < 1167332613 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, you might be able to learn some from his implementation.. he might be using some c tricks we haven't thought of yet < 1167332692 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's using unistd.h < 1167332735 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aside from that, mine's using more C tricks. < 1167332786 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1167332805 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flooding: < 1167332808 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#include < 1167332809 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :char r[65536],*e=r; < 1167332809 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :main(){ < 1167332809 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :++ < 1167332809 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :++*e; < 1167332809 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In good ol' Glass, how do I set a variable to the thing at the top of the stack? < 1167332811 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :++*e; < 1167332813 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. < 1167332816 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :write(1,e,1); < 1167332818 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :write(1,e,1); < 1167332821 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :,, < 1167332823 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :read(0,e,1); < 1167332826 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :read(0,e,1); < 1167332828 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- < 1167332831 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--*e; < 1167332834 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--*e; < 1167332836 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>> < 1167332838 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :++e; < 1167332841 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :++e; < 1167332844 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<< < 1167332844 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :#esoteric - the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment - map: http://www.frappr.com/esolang - forum: http://esolangs.org/forum/ - EgoBot: !help - wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/ - logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ or http://meme.b9.com/cdates.html?channel=esoteric - for brainfuck-specific discussion, go to ##brainfuck - NO IRP ALLOWED - Pastebin: http://pastebin.ca/ < 1167332846 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--e; < 1167332849 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--e; < 1167332851 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[] < 1167332854 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while(*e){ < 1167332856 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :} < 1167332859 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exit(0); < 1167332861 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :} < 1167332864 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahah. < 1167333037 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I refuse to use unistd.h, so I'm using all the tricks he does. < 1167333055 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and quite a few more: I output a grand total of 2 newlines) < 1167333066 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Glass < 1167333147 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes? < 1167333257 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(name)1= < 1167333298 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That won't set the variable to 1? < 1167333306 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1167333325 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be (name)<1>= < 1167333337 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. < 1167333388 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that leave it on the stack or take it off? < 1167333480 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :leave it. add , to take off. < 1167333528 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks. < 1167333584 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're welcome. < 1167334785 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"haaaaaaaaaa" < 1167335479 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i learned Glass too :D < 1167335624 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1167335625 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't like the fact that function local stuff is prefixed with an underscore, temp vars should be short imo :\ < 1167335640 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now they're (_[name]) < 1167335672 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :starts to feel sensible tho < 1167335676 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :won't bother me for long < 1167335688 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, yes, a clear break with Glass's fundamental principle of user friendliness. < 1167335696 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION cackles evilly.
< 1167335723 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1167335936 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but as all names are treated as strings, you should be able to change them to strings, alter them and push them back as vars or functions < 1167335937 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1167335956 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you can do weird stuff anyway with that < 1167336014 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean you can have a "function pointer" (zot) referring to any (zot)-function in any class < 1167336463 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be useful for dictionaries. < 1167336483 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :useful? < 1167336599 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, making it not a complete pain to make dictionaries in Glass < 1167336620 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah as a data type :) < 1167336626 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a little dim again < 1167336640 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wasn't saying it is a bad thing < 1167336658 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one never knows with esoteric languages :) < 1167336677 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trues :D < 1167336771 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god that is beautiful :O < 1167336784 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{M[m(_s)S!(_o)O!<34>(_s)(ns).?"{M[m(_s)S!(_o)O!<34>(_s)(ns).?""1(_o)o.?2(_o)o.? < 1167336785 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1(_o)o.?2(_o)o.?2(_o)o.?0(_o)o.?2(_o)o.?0(_o)o.?]}"1(_o)o.?2(_o)o.?1(_o)o.?2 < 1167336785 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(_o)o.?2(_o)o.?0(_o)o.?2(_o)o.?0(_o)o.?]} < 1167336787 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one < 1167336793 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION <3 esolangs. . .
< 1167336795 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the o's and the ()'s < 1167336796 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's it do? < 1167336800 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION too
< 1167336804 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quine < 1167336821 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Purty. < 1167336843 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_s)S!(_o)O!<34>(_s)(ns).?"{M[m(_s)S!(_o)O!<34>(_s)(ns).?""1(_o)o.?2(_o)o.?1(_o)o.?2(_o)o.?2(_o)o.?0(_o)o.?2(_o)o.?0(_o)o.?]}"1(_o)o.?2(_o)o.?1(_o)o.?2(_o)o.?2(_o)o.?0(_o)o.?2(_o)o.?0(_o)o.?]} < 1167336847 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{M[m(_s)S!(_o)O!<34>(_s)(ns).?"{M[m(_s)S!(_o)O!<34>(_s)(ns).?""1(_o)o.?2(_o)o.?1(_o)o.?2(_o)o.?2(_o)o.?0(_o)o.?2(_o)o.?0(_o)o.?]}"1(_o)o.?2(_o)o.?1(_o)o.?2(_o)o.?2(_o)o.?0(_o)o.?2(_o)o.?0(_o)o.?]} < 1167336859 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1167337009 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice. < 1167337096 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1167337162 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool. < 1167337803 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It must be possible to shorten those (_o)o's... < 1167337963 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass < 1167337967 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :look look quine! < 1167337967 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1167337970 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1167337972 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK YA < 1167337985 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1167338003 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Glass requires a null string to return OK. . . < 1167338034 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? < 1167338077 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1167338142 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard to grasp the factorial program when stupid ppl annoy me on msn :( < 1167338614 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha i'm so gonna make glass without names :) < 1167338625 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's called < 1167338627 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. . . What's *wrong* with you? < 1167338629 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, < 1167338633 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1167338637 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just too easy! < 1167338656 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(presumably the same thing that's wrong with the rest of us) < 1167338674 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha :D < 1167338683 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, you know, nameless classes and objects < 1167338697 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_s)S!o11O!o.=<34>(_s)(ns).?"{M[m(_s)S!o11O!o.=<34>(_s)(ns).?""1o?2o?1o?2o?2o?0o?2o?0o?]}"1o?2o?1o?2o?2o?0o?2o?0o?]} < 1167338717 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I happen to mention that something is wrong with you? < 1167338725 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha :D < 1167338726 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1167338729 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's cool! < 1167338734 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, you're my god :O < 1167338757 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if you get that working) < 1167338778 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it might be easy to make a quine but never made one, so < 1167338784 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems impossible < 1167338843 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_s)S!(_o)11O!o.=<34>(_s)(ns).?"{M[m(_s)S!(_o)11O!o.=<34>(_s)(ns).?""1(_o)?2(_o)?1(_o)?2(_o)?2(_o)?0(_o)?2(_o)?0(_o)?]}"1(_o)?2(_o)?1(_o)?2(_o)?2(_o)?0(_o)?2(_o)?0(_o)?]} < 1167338845 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :glass has the cool idea of mixing oo and stacks, but it's basically pretty "normal", gotta add some more esoteria!! < 1167338849 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to cheer it up < 1167338871 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wait < 1167338880 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, now just a few chars and it's the former one :) < 1167338905 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought maybe i used the wrong namespace < 1167338918 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it is something else, i think < 1167339048 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_s)S!o11O!o.=<34>(_s)(ns).*?"{M[m(_s)S!o11O!o.=<34>(_s)(ns).*?""1o*?2o*?1o*?2o*?2o*?0o*?2o*?0o*?]}"1o*?2o*?1o*?2o*?2o*?0o*?2o*?0o*?]} < 1167339066 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe it's both < 1167339094 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ps < 1167339098 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 oerjan: ps < 1167339106 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is that? < 1167339123 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm having a hard time figuring out how to make anything without operators... < 1167339151 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd like this lang with everything being just a stack of structures < 1167339161 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :structures as in functions and classes < 1167339171 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woah, that's some complicated Glass code XD < 1167339195 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i am just using search and replace on the quine < 1167339203 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have made the inventor of Glass say that. . . < 1167339204 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make a shorter one. < 1167339206 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I salute you. < 1167339225 0 :CakeProphet!n=CakeProp@h152.243.213.151.ip.alltel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1167339225 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, you think I'm the only one that can write complicated glass code? :P < 1167339238 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't write the jixmath class, and that's pretty F***ing complicated :P < 1167339239 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Just saying that that's quite a compliment. < 1167339266 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jixmath? < 1167339284 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(care to show me le source?) < 1167339310 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_s)S!(_o)11O!o.=<34>(_s)(ns).*?"{M[m(_s)S!(_o)11O!o.=<34>(_s)(ns).*?""1(_o)*?2(_o)*?1(_o)*?2(_o)*?2(_o)*?0(_o)*?2(_o)*?0(_o)*?]}"1(_o)*?2(_o)*?1(_o)*?2(_o)*?2(_o)*?0(_o)*?2(_o)*?0(_o)*?]} < 1167339326 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lesse .. < 1167339335 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph. < 1167339340 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahavvvv glass looks so funky < 1167339354 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's easy to make complicated code when it's wrong :( < 1167339367 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{(JixMath)[(c)*][(c__)aA!p<9>=(ee)<2.71828182845905>=][(log)(_v)1=,(_c)<-1>=(_x)<1>=/(_x)(_v)*<1.5>a(ge).?(_x)1=(_y)1=,(_c)0*<1>aa.?=/(_y)(_v)0*(ee)*ad.?=(_c)(_y)<0>=\\(_p)p*=(_v)0*<1>as.?=(_o)(_v)*=(_s)<1>=(_i)<0>=(_x)<0>=/(_p)(_p)0*<1>as.?=(_i)0*<1>aa.?=(_x)0*(_o)*(_i)*ad.?(_s)*am.?aa.?=(_o)0*(_v)*am.?=(_s)<0>(_s)*as.?=(_x)\(_c)*(_x)*aa.?][(p)p*][(sp)p1=,][(sqrt)(_v)1=(_x)1<100>ad.?af.?=,(_q)<1>=/(_x)(_x)0*<100>ad.?af.?=(_q)0*<10> < 1167339368 0 :oklobot2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1167339373 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1167339373 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :am.?=\(_p)p*=/(_p)(_p)0*<1>as.?=(_q)0*(_v)*1ad.?aa.?<2>ad.?=\(_q)*]} < 1167339377 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And. . . What does Jixmath do? < 1167339381 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Math :P < 1167339395 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like. . . A description? < 1167339395 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :logarithms, square roots ... < 1167339403 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sees a sqrt function. . .
< 1167339404 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idonno, ask jix_ X-P < 1167339410 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes to eat.
< 1167339411 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to figure out how glass works < 1167339416 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix_: I wish to pick your brain. < 1167339461 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And salute you for that sheer craziness. < 1167339556 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(JixMath)(_m)!O(_o)!2(_m)(sqrt).(_o)o.]} < 1167339573 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm what's crazy about that? < 1167339574 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My Glass might be a bit rusty. < 1167339584 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix_: Jixmath == crazy. < 1167339590 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1167339595 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look at it. < 1167339753 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_s)S!(_a)(_o)1O!o.=<34>(_s)(ns).?"{M[m(_s)S!(_o)O!<34>(_s)(ns).?""1(_a)*?2(_a)*?1(_a)*?2(_a)*?2(_a)*?0(_a)*?2(_a)*?0(_a)*?]}"1(_a)*?2(_a)*?1(_a)*?2(_a)*?2(_a)*?0(_a)*?2(_a)*?0(_a)*?]} < 1167339792 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ps < 1167339795 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_m)(Jixmath)!(_o)O!2(_m)(sqrt).?(_o)o.?]} < 1167339796 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 oerjan: ps < 1167339854 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn! < 1167339862 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is that? < 1167339936 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1167339973 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_s)S!o00O!o.=<34>(_s)(ns).*?"{M[m(_s)S!o00O!o.=<34>(_s)(ns).*?""1o*?2o*?1o*?2o*?2o*?0o*?2o*?0o*?]}"1o*?2o*?1o*?2o*?2o*?0o*?2o*?0o*?]} < 1167340001 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sighs
< 1167340039 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's that quirk about not accessing member variables from functions, I presume < 1167340107 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_o)O!"o"(_o)o.?]} < 1167340110 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1167340113 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1167340136 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_s)S!Q00O!o.=<34>(_s)(ns).*?"{M[m(_s)S!Q00O!o.=<34>(_s)(ns).*?""1Q*?2Q*?1Q*?2Q*?2Q*?0Q*?2Q*?0Q*?]}"1Q*?2Q*?1Q*?2Q*?2Q*?0Q*?2Q*?0Q*?]} < 1167340191 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_o)O!(_m)(JixMath)!<4>(_m)(sqrt).?(_o)o.?]} < 1167340278 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah... < 1167340279 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host81-158-88-90.range81-158.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1167340308 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Switching to dvorak makes a lot of brackets no longer work. < 1167340363 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\]]]\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\====\\\ < 1167340413 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ack < 1167340418 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION was popping out keys.
< 1167340474 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :]]dgd;fg[ldfg;l';l[or=======================================================================[]]===============================================================================================================================================================' < 1167340494 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1167340499 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1167340518 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : . . < 1167340538 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_s)S!(_o)0O!o.<34>(_s)(ns).?"{M[m(_s)S!(_o)0O!o.<34>(_s)(ns).?""13?23?13?23?23?03?23?03?]}"13?23?13?23?23?03?23?03?]} < 1167340630 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ps < 1167340632 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 oerjan: ps < 1167340649 0 :ihope!n=foo@cpe-071-075-186-016.carolina.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1167340844 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {T[t(_o)O!"Test"(_o)o.?]}{M[m(_t)T!(_t)t.0??]} < 1167340848 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TestTest < 1167340907 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {[d(o_O)b]} < 1167340910 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1167340922 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_o)O!"Test"(_o)o.11?11?]} < 1167340924 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TestTest < 1167340997 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to figure out how to do GLass... but it's very very difficult. < 1167340998 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_o)0O!o."Test"02?02?]} < 1167341000 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TestTest < 1167341002 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn you postfix. < 1167341011 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heheheh. < 1167341193 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m"Test"(_o)0O!o."Test"11?11?]} < 1167341216 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh... < 1167341224 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hard to follow the chain of evaluation when it goes... backwards. < 1167341227 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1167341249 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait... < 1167341254 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m"Test"(_o)0O!o.11?11?]} < 1167341258 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TestTest < 1167341287 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not if you're used to befunge < 1167341337 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah! < 1167341380 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_s)S!(_o)0O!o.<34>(_s)(ns).?"{M[m(_s)S!(_o)0O!o.<34>(_s)(ns).?""14?24?14?24?24?04?24?04?]}"14?24?14?24?24?04?24?04?]} < 1167341382 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{M[m(_s)S!(_o)0O!o.<34>(_s)(ns).?"{M[m(_s)S!(_o)0O!o.<34>(_s)(ns).?""14?24?14?24?24?04?24?04?]}"14?24?14?24?24?04?24?04?]} < 1167341388 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DD < 1167341389 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1167341408 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...you made a program that... < 1167341410 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prints itself? < 1167341426 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i just shortened one that already existed < 1167341446 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: That would be a quine. < 1167341501 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_o)0O!o."Lol"11?]} < 1167341520 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION isn't sure what the 0 is for...
< 1167341526 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it looked nice there... so I put it there. < 1167341557 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1167341576 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It breaks your code, methinks. < 1167341582 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_o)O!o."Lol"11?]} < 1167341591 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As does 11. < 1167341602 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :....damn < 1167341607 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is trying to figure out how ? works.
< 1167341611 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which pushs 1 onto the stack twice. . . And the ? tries executing 1.1, which doesn't exist) < 1167341633 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_o)O!o."Lol"]} < 1167341635 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1167341638 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It takes a variable referring to an instance of an object and a string referring to a function off the stack and executes it. < 1167341651 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :m is main... so it should execute anyways. < 1167341652 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, 11 copies the top 2 elements < 1167341653 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thus, (_o)o? would execute _o.o < 1167341661 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Ah. < 1167341706 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 0 copies just the top element < 1167341732 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Again: Ah. < 1167341792 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_o)O!o."Lol"(_o)?]} < 1167341814 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to use 11? the function must be on top. otherwise use 02? < 1167341819 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would execute Lol._o, methinks. . . < 1167341846 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooho. < 1167341864 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since there is no object Lol, it does. . . Nothing. < 1167341912 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it tries to execute (_o), but this fails because it is a name not a function. < 1167341942 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for that use *? rather than ? < 1167341973 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_o)O!o."Lol"(_0)*?]} < 1167341975 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ack < 1167341978 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that (_o) there does not contain a function either, but an object. < 1167341979 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_o)O!o."Lol"(_o)*?]} < 1167341989 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`.` < 1167341994 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is still getting used to this.
< 1167342003 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so use o.? < 1167342014 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host81-158-88-90.range81-158.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1167342027 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_or_ use 1? instead of (_o)*? < 1167342046 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 picks up the function you already have put on the stack. < 1167342059 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_o)O!o."Lol"1?]} < 1167342072 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have trouble figuring out what's on the stack... >.< < 1167342106 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(_o)O! leaves nothing on the stack, but a variable (_o) define. < 1167342108 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, yes. the o. doesn't work because there is no (_o) on the stack - it was removed by ! < 1167342127 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o. gives a stack underflow. . . < 1167342127 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_a)A!<4><5>(_a)a.?(_o)O!(_o)o.1?]} < 1167342128 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :put a 0 after (_o) < 1167342140 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_o)0O!o."Lol"1?]} < 1167342143 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lol < 1167342144 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you tell what's on the stack? < 1167342150 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and where. < 1167342152 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Magic. < 1167342157 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-.- < 1167342164 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you read the specification _very_ carefully. :) < 1167342177 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is magic. < 1167342184 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_a)A!<4><5>(_a)a.?(_o)O!(_o)o.11?]} < 1167342194 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1167342202 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you represent input to a function? < 1167342215 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Use the I class. . . < 1167342226 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you mean, like, arguments. < 1167342228 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's user input. < 1167342228 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_a)A!<4><5>(_a)a.?(_o)O!(_o)o.?]} < 1167342229 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1167342231 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arguments < 1167342246 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Leave the arguments on the stack in appropriate locations. < 1167342254 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use on. not o. < 1167342255 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The stack is shared. < 1167342292 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_a)A!<4><5>(_a)a.?(_o)O!(_o)on.?]} < 1167342304 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ps < 1167342307 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 oerjan: ps < 1167342311 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesn't understand...
< 1167342313 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1167342338 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i am not sure why it doesn't work < 1167342359 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use (on) instead. < 1167342361 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_a)A!<4><5>(_a)a.?(_o)O!(_o)(on).?]} < 1167342365 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :9 < 1167342369 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_a)A!<4><5>(_a)a.?(_o)O!(_o)(on).1111111111111111?]} < 1167342373 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :9 < 1167342373 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... if "Lol" is the stack before the function is run... how do you represent "Lol" as a variable? < 1167342377 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0? < 1167342389 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Lol"(variable_name)= < 1167342390 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1167342398 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I meant... in general. < 1167342403 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be something other than "Lol" < 1167342409 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an argument. < 1167342415 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1167342420 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, you're totally gotten it wrong < 1167342428 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Lol"'Function calling stuff here' < 1167342444 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah... < 1167342471 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean "Lol"(variable_name)1=, < 1167342499 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: That's if you want "Lol" on the stack *and* in a variable. ;) < 1167342501 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... in the function definition... how is the "argument" (The value on the stack before execution of the function) represented? < 1167342513 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, , is the pop command < 1167342520 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*no < 1167342525 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um. . . < 1167342548 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Lol"(variable_name)= works just as well. IIRC, = doesn't push anything onto the stack. < 1167342570 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it doesn't because the arguments are in the wrong order < 1167342594 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: The function just operates on the global stack. < 1167342605 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Well, *that* would screw things up. < 1167342620 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right... but you can mimic the use of arguments by treating the value on the stack as input right? < 1167342636 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. < 1167342639 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input)(function)! < 1167342653 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would you "get" (input)? < 1167342655 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? not ! < 1167342656 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the function itself. < 1167342659 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er... right. < 1167342661 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: ! creates an instance of an object. < 1167342666 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah yeah. < 1167342669 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong punctuation :D < 1167342682 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 0 1 2 commands etc. makes copies of things on the stack. < 1167342683 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same way you would operate on something on the stack otherwise. . . < 1167342695 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but where is it... 0? < 1167342706 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_o)O!(_o)(_a)A!(_b)B!(_c)C!f(_a)1.?(_b)1.?(_c)1.?]}{A[f0"a"1o.?]}{B[f0"b"1o.?]}{C[f0"c"1o.?]} < 1167342707 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1167342710 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has a hard time visualizing "the stack"
< 1167342723 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imagine you've got a bunch of plates on top of each other. < 1167342738 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :push equates with sticking a plate on top. pop equates with taking one off. < 1167342744 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes yes... a stack. < 1167342747 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds a lot like befunge to me. < 1167342754 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the visualisation. < 1167342757 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know how they work. I just don't know when it happens. < 1167342764 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: Well, a stack *is* a common datatype. < 1167342776 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: When the command for your stack operation is executed. . . < 1167342786 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm... that works I guess. < 1167342794 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 would be whatever came before the function then. < 1167342807 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you use it right at the beginning of the definitionl < 1167342822 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every Glass command has a clearly specified effect on the stack, which you can look up at the wiki. In fact I wrote those descriptions myself. < 1167342826 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You've got a copy of what's on the top of the stack. < 1167342837 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods.
< 1167342843 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which... in that case, would be (input) right? < 1167342863 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {A[f0"a"1o.?]}{B[f0"b"1o.?]}{C[f0"c"1o.?]}{M[m(_o)O!(_o)(_a)A!(_b)B!(_c)C!f(_a)1.?(_b)1.?(_c)1.?]} < 1167342869 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err... what's wrong? :D < 1167342871 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hit the Wikipedia page. < 1167342895 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, Glass is designed so that those effects are not always the most intuitive ones - sometimes it uses the stack for the result, sometimes a variable. < 1167342919 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you simply _have_ to look it up. < 1167342974 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A, B and C have a function f that prints a char with stack operation (object of type O) -> (the same object), right? < 1167342984 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the code of mine < 1167342993 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although the builtin class methods happen to more consistently put their results on the stack. < 1167343053 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1167343060 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {C[c0Oo.?]}{M[m"Lol"Cc.?]} < 1167343069 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION probably screwed that up.
< 1167343074 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {A[f0"a"1o.?]}{B[f0"b"1o.?]}{C[f0"c"1o.?]}{M[m(_o)O!(_o)(_a)A!(_b)B!(_c)C!f1(_a)2.?(_b)2.?(_c)2.?]} < 1167343102 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A is a builtin class that might confuse matters. < 1167343127 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders how you would mimic inheritance with Glass.
< 1167343138 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was screwed up with the above? < 1167343143 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {C[c0Oo.?]}{M[m"Lol"Cc.?]} < 1167343176 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {A[f"a"1o.?]}{B[f"b"1o.?]}{C[f"c"1o.?]}{M[m(_o)O!(_o)(_a)A!(_b)B!(_c)C!f1(_a)2.?(_b)2.?(_c)2.?]} < 1167343202 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you cannot call methods in a class directly, you must instantiate an object. < 1167343208 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...poo < 1167343271 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {C[c0(_hehe)O!o.?]}{M[m"Lol"(_meow)C!c.?]} < 1167343280 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, can you help me with mine too? :D < 1167343306 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i would suggest you rename the A class because there is a builtin with that name < 1167343314 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1167343329 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shall make a language that uses a queue instead of a filthy stack.
< 1167343362 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {B[f"b"1o.?]}{C[f"c"1o.?]}{D[f"d"1o.?]}{M[m(_o)O!(_o)(_b)B!(_c)C!(_d)D!f1(_b)2.?(_c)2.?(_d)2.?]} < 1167343368 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps a deque < 1167343380 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :queue... the turing machine! < 1167343385 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1167343388 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a queue < 1167343391 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stfu me < 1167343397 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A double-ended queue would be interesting. < 1167343404 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cakeprophet: the ! command does not leave an object nor its name on the stack. put a 0 after the object variables to keep them. < 1167343431 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {C[c0(_hehe)0O!o.?]}{M[m"Lol"(_meow)0C!c.?]} < 1167343433 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lol < 1167343445 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mej... I keep thinking in evaluation mode... like Lisp < 1167343471 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoo hoo.. I made a needless wrapper around the output class. < 1167343481 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :talk about useful. < 1167343589 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you have hit upon one of the weirdities of Glass: object names are looked up in the environment of the . so the (_o) can only be used in the m function < 1167343610 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha! < 1167343622 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i knew my code was right assuming my knowledge! < 1167343628 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but... darn < 1167343672 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :simply move the o. from the subclasses to M < 1167343681 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {B[f(_t)O!"b"1o.?]}{C[f(_t)O!"c"1o.?]}{D[f(_t)O!"d"1o.?]}{M[m(_o)O!(_o)(_b)B!(_c)C!(_d)D!f1(_b)2.?(_c)2.?(_d)2.?]} < 1167343681 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no! < 1167343683 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never! < 1167343691 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: a single-ended queue would be more interesting. < 1167343711 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :naj... with a double-ended you could rotate around to weird places. < 1167343720 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like a big merry-go-round. < 1167343770 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok another way is to use (_o)* in m to actually have an object rather than its name on the stack. but then you need to put it back into a variable in the subclasses before using . :) < 1167343804 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k i'll leave that project.... xD < 1167343831 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1167343837 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why didn't the temp thing work? < 1167343842 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {B[f(_t)O!"b"1o.?]}{C[f(_t)O!"c"1o.?]}{D[f(_t)O!"d"1o.?]}{M[m(_o)O!(_o)(_b)B!(_c)C!(_d)D!f1(_b)2.?(_c)2.?(_d)2.?]} < 1167343851 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now the classes know O < 1167343865 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[mTO!"Test"To.?]} < 1167343867 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Test < 1167343887 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right i forgot, you can use a global variable starting with a capital :) < 1167343927 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {B[f"b"1o.?]}{C[f"c"1o.?]}{D[f"d"1o.?]}{M[m(Olp)O!(Olp)(_b)B!(_c)C!(_d)D!f1(_b)2.?(_c)2.?(_d)2.?]} < 1167343929 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bcd < 1167343933 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1167343934 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 < 1167343962 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my lang is starting to get a nice feel to it, {[|<>*][(<>[1-])?]} < 1167343978 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does factorials, tho under construction :) < 1167344068 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a "class" now has a function stack and a var stack, each "object" lives while it has functions left.... and i have no idea about anything, but who cares :) < 1167344681 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {(Con)[(c__)a1=b0=][aa*^][bb*^][(iter)(_fun)0=a*(_fun)?(_fun)b(iter).?} < 1167344684 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1167344690 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm... I'm trying to build a List datatype in Glass :D < 1167344888 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that constructor doesn't look quite right < 1167344895 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah :/ < 1167344980 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think [(c__)a2=b2=,,] might work better < 1167345005 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why 2? < 1167345061 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that way you pick the deepest remaining argument < 1167345096 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait... < 1167345127 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should be [(c__)a2=b1=] < 1167345141 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm... I think, to feet the typical Glass syntax... the order of the list should be in reverse :D <123><4567>(pair)(Con)! (if I did the syntax right) would be a pair starting with 4567 and ending with 123 < 1167345154 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just forgot to include the variable names on the stack, i think < 1167345162 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when counting < 1167345192 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you might still want ,, at the end to remove the arguments. < 1167345255 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think you need ^ just before ] < 1167345312 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reversing is as simple as a1=b2= < 1167345437 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you might want a comma after 0= and BTW that should be 1= < 1167345455 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in (_fun)0= < 1167345497 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {(Con)[(c__)a2=b1=][aa*][bb*][(iter)(_fun)1=,a*(_fun)?(_fun)b(iter)?} {M[m(_p)<123><456>(_pair)(Con)!(_o)O! (_pair)a.(_o).o? (_pair)b.(_o).o?]} < 1167345626 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er... < 1167345626 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {(Con)[(c__)a2=b1=][aa*][bb*][(iter)(_fun)1=,a*(_fun)?(_fun)b(iter)?} {M[m<123><456>(_pair)(Con)!(_o)O! (_pair)a.(_o).o? (_pair)b.(_o).o?]} < 1167345818 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't think it worked. < 1167345818 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :missing some *'s after some (_fun)'s < 1167345818 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {(Con)[(c__)a2=b1=][aa*][bb*][(iter)(_fun)1=,a*(_fun)*?(_fun)*b(iter)?} {M[m<123><456>(_pair)(Con)!(_o)O! (_pair)*a.(_o)*.o? (_pair)*b.(_o)*.o?]} < 1167345818 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a . after (iter) < 1167345818 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {(Con)[(c__)a2=b1=][aa*][bb*][(iter)(_fun)1=,a*(_fun)*?(_fun)*b(iter).?} {M[m<123><456>(_pair)(Con)!(_o)O! (_pair)*a.(_o)*.o? (_pair)*b.(_o)*.o?]} < 1167345818 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe... I'm assuming glass can handle recursiion. < 1167345818 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a ] before } < 1167345818 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.< < 1167345818 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {(Con)[(c__)a2=b1=][aa*][bb*][(iter)(_fun)1=,a*(_fun)*?(_fun)*b(iter).?]} {M[m<123><456>(_pair)(Con)!(_o)O! (_pair)*a.(_o)*.o? (_pair)*b.(_o)*.o?]} < 1167345818 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to make a list class to conviently wrap values into pairs before I attempt any sort of iteration. O.o < 1167345818 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too many * in the main function < 1167345818 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you needed them to denote that the variable is in the current context. ;.; < 1167345819 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not for the argument of . < 1167345876 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {(Con)[(c__)a2=b1=][aa*][bb*][(iter)(_fun)1=,a*(_fun)*?(_fun)*b(iter).?]} {M[m<123><456>(_pair)(Con)!(_o)O! (_pair)a.(_o)o.? (_pair)b.(_o)o.?]} < 1167345876 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some .o should be o. < 1167345882 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1167345884 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got it. < 1167345939 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and numbers are printed with on. not o. < 1167345963 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {(Con)[(c__)a2=b1=][aa*][bb*][(iter)(_fun)1=,a*(_fun)*?(_fun)*b(iter).?]} {M[m<123><456>(_pair)(Con)!(_o)O! (_pair)a.(_o)(on).? (_pair)b.(_o)(on).?]} < 1167346053 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wheee.... slowly the process of abstraction takes place. < 1167346057 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slowly... and painfully. < 1167346059 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops. i remember that you cannot have methods with the same name as attributes. < 1167346074 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh... I'll call them what they're called in Lisp. < 1167346078 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact it crashed Glass horribly last time i tried < 1167346078 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are they called in Lisp again? < 1167346087 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :car and cdr < 1167346118 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm... can't you just access the variables themselves? < 1167346132 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of using a function? < 1167346139 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that was in fact what crashed Glass horribly, it's a bug < 1167346181 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {(Con)[(c__)a2=b1=][(car)a*][(cdr)b*][(iter)(_fun)1=,a*(_fun)*?(_fun)*b(iter).?]} {M[m<123><456>(_pair)(Con)!(_o)O! (_pair)(car).?(_o)(on).? (_pair)(cdr).?(_o)(on).?]} < 1167346182 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :123456 < 1167346189 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also forgot to do a ? on the pairs. < 1167346196 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoooo... we made a pair! < 1167346225 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a working list? < 1167346236 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I can tell... < 1167346243 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the (iter) is still slightly buggy < 1167346243 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool :) < 1167346247 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It instantiated... took the two values in front of it, stored them, and accessed them. < 1167346275 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah... I'll wait for the (List) class before figuring out the iter < 1167346283 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait, i misread < 1167346313 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(List) will probably need to take the length of the list as a value... so the constructor knows how far back to go. < 1167346400 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Bitte waehlen Sie eine Beerdigungnachricht" < 1167346444 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need a Nil class for a start < 1167346461 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be like... < 1167346480 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{(Nil)} ??? < 1167346514 0 :jix_!n=jix@L6046.l.strato-dslnet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1167346516 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather, {(Nil)[(iter),]} < 1167346592 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and probably you need a null? method too < 1167346843 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually that could be defined using (iter). < 1167346889 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except... that would be bad on circular lists. < 1167346920 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyhow, time for bed. < 1167346923 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{(Nil)[(iter),][(null?)1]} {(Con)[(c__)a2=b1=][(car)a*][(cdr)b*][(iter)(_fun)1=,a*(_fun)*?(_fun)*b(iter).?]} {(List)[(c__) (_a)A! (length)0=(tmp)(length)*=\(tmp)*a(tmp)*=b(tmp)<(tmp)*><1>(_a)s.?==]} < 1167346938 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm... not done yet on the constructor for list. < 1167346983 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need (null?) in (Con) as well < 1167347000 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm... < 1167347028 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would check cdr for null? right? < 1167347045 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what would happen if it wasn't null? < 1167347055 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a way to reliably check that? < 1167347068 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :null? is just a method that tells if the list is Nil or not. So Con can just return 0. < 1167347094 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooh < 1167347096 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh :P < 1167347246 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would you change a into a (stack push)? < 1167347316 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that is rather awkward. in fact i think you would need to create a list class just to temporarily store away the above elements. < 1167347395 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm? < 1167347414 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think you need the (tmp) variable btw. just decrement length in the loop. < 1167347423 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to use a length parameter and a while loop to make it do a bunch of cons < 1167347455 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... I was going to keep length unchanged by the loop so that it could be accessed by other things < 1167347465 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1167347495 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you don't need it i think < 1167347537 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In an environment built around getting values based on their position on the stack... a length variable would come in handy in tons of places. < 1167347578 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm still not sure how to use tmp to get something from the stack./ < 1167347633 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you cannot. the simplest way to turn a number into a push is by using the List class you are trying to construct. < 1167347671 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aah. < 1167347671 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however if you do the loop the right way you don't need to access far down elements. < 1167347675 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :work backwards? < 1167347684 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and just do 0? < 1167347691 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0, < 1167347717 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would make the list go backwards. < 1167347720 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may not even need 0. < 1167347759 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm? < 1167347864 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you are collecting elements into the variable (_l), say, then adding the top element of the stack to it (and removing it) is just (_l)*(_l)(Con)! < 1167347900 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except you need to add those ,, i mentioned at the end of (Con).c__ < 1167347904 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1167348011 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :....hmmm, I halfway understand. < 1167348093 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so your loop would be something like /(_tmp)(_l)*(_l)(Con)!(_tmp)*<1>(_a)s.?\ < 1167348115 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's _1? < 1167348145 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_l is the variable collecting the list < 1167348241 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(_l)(Nil)!/(_tmp)(_l)*(_l)(Con)!(_tmp)0*<1>(_a)s.?=\ < 1167348359 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your *'s look like they're in the wrong place. < 1167348399 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think so < 1167348430 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first * is to get the content of _l onto the stack before using (Con) < 1167348461 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why doesn't the second _l have a *? < 1167348510 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the ! command takes an unevaluated name to put the contructed object in < 1167348528 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1167348529 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn postfix < 1167348544 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot the _1 was just an identifier name. < 1167348575 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a small L btw :) < 1167348675 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may not really be appropriate for this list collection function to happen in List.c__, because we are not actually trying to construct a class List object, but a chain of Con's < 1167348717 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh... it's just for convience. < 1167348734 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably the easiest way I could think of doinging < 1167348741 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :implementing it as a method of Con would be kind of weird. < 1167348752 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is that we then get a new List object in addition < 1167348775 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the constructer simply returns _l... it'll be a chain of cons. < 1167348794 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by "return" I mean... but _l on the stack. < 1167348819 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but the List object still is also created, and needs to be put in a variable < 1167348843 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm... it wouldn't work right as a Con method though... < 1167348901 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm... maybe _l should be an instance variable? < 1167348913 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can just access List.l < 1167348919 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be List.list, that would be similar to the builtin classes < 1167348973 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the builtin classes just need to be instantiated once, and after that you use their methods as if they were static < 1167348987 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more or less < 1167349110 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand wrapping the List object might also work, but then you need to declare (iter) and stuff in (List) as well. < 1167349171 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyhow now i really need to go to bed < 1167349181 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alright < 1167349197 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks for the pointers :D < 1167349197 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night." < 1167349408 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{(Nil)[(iter),][(null?)1]} {(Con) [(c__)a2=b1=] [(car)a*] [(cdr)b*] [(null?)0] [(iter)(_fun)1=,a*(_fun)*?(_fun)*b(iter).?] } {(List)[(build)(_a)A!(_tmp)0= (_list)(Nil)!/(_tmp)(_list)*(_list)(Con)!(_tmp)0*<1>(_a)s.?=\(_list)] } {M[m(_o)O! (_l)(List)! "H" "e" "l" "l" "o" " " "W" "o" "r" "l" "d" "!"<12>(_l)(build).?(MyList)0= (_o)o.(MyList)(iter).?]} < 1167349443 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {(Nil)[(iter),][(null?)1]} {(Con) [(c__)a2=b1=] [(car)a*] [(cdr)b*] [(null?)0] [(iter)(_fun)1=,a*(_fun)*?(_fun)*b(iter).?] } {(List)[(build)(_a)A!(_tmp)0= (_list)(Nil)!/(_tmp)(_list)*(_list)(Con)!(_tmp)0*<1>(_a)s.?=\(_list)] } {M[m(_o)O! (_l)(List)! "H" "e" "l" "l" "o" " " "W" "o" "r" "l" "d" "!"<12>(_l)(build).?(MyList)0= (_o)o.(MyList)(iter).?] < 1167349445 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1167349452 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1167350080 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well.. I'll figure out the bugs later. < 1167350087 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would probably make a good built-in class. < 1167350118 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. . . You didn't. < 1167350145 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You did. < 1167350153 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My god. You're just crazy. < 1167350186 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take pride in my insanity. < 1167350207 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The cons class works fine... just need to figure out where I messed up on the list constructor. < 1167350239 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than it... missing a curly brace. < 1167350265 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {(Nil)[(iter),][(null?)1]} {(Con) [(c__)a2=b1=] [(car)a*] [(cdr)b*] [(null?)0] [(iter)(_fun)1=,a*(_fun)*?(_fun)*b(iter).?] } {(List)[(build)(_a)A!(_tmp)0= (_list)(Nil)!/(_tmp)(_list)*(_list)(Con)!(_tmp)0*<1>(_a)s.?=\(_list)] } {M[m(_o)O! (_l)(List)! "H" "e" "l" "l" "o" " " "W" "o" "r" "l" "d" "!"<12>(_l)(build).?(MyList)0= (_o)o.(MyList)(iter).?]} < 1167350394 0 :tgwizard!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1167350636 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ima test the iterator thing to see if it works without the list. < 1167350926 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{(Nil)[(iter),][(null?)1]} {(Con) [(c__)a2=b1=] [(car)a*] [(cdr)b*] [(null?)0] [(iter)(_fun)1=,a*(_fun)*?(_fun)*b(iter).?] } {M[m(_o)O! ! "H" "e" "l" "l" "o" " " "W" "o" "r" "l" "d" "!"(_a)(Con)! (_a)(Con)!(_a)(Con)!(_a)(Con)!(_a)(Con)!(_a)(Con) (_o)o.(_a)(iter).]} < 1167350940 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {(Con) [(c__)a2=b1=] [(car)a*] [(cdr)b*] [(null?)0] [(iter)(_fun)1=,a*(_fun)*?(_fun)*b(iter).?] } {M[m(_o)O! ! "H" "e" "l" "l" "o" " " "W" "o" "r" "l" "d" "!"(_a)(Con)! (_a)(Con)!(_a)(Con)!(_a)(Con)!(_a)(Con)!(_a)(Con) (_o)o.(_a)(iter).]} < 1167351185 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {(Con) [(c__)a2=b1=] [(car)a*] [(cdr)b*] [(null?)0] [(iter)(_fun)1=,(car)*?(_fun)*?(cdr)*?(iter)*?] } {M[m(_o)O! ! "H" "e" "l" "l" "o" " " "W" "o" "r" "l" "d" "!"(_a)(Con)! (_a)(Con)!(_a)(Con)!(_a)(Con)!(_a)(Con)!(_a)(Con) (_o)o.(_a)(iter).]} < 1167352225 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ps < 1167352228 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 CakeProphet: ps < 1167352650 0 :bsmnt_bot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1167352715 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1167352906 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {(BFfeed) [(c__) (_i)I! (code)(_l)l.?= (pos)=<1>] [(next)(_s)S! (_a)!a (code)*(pos)*(_s)i.? (pos)(pos)*<1>(_a)a.=]} ((Array)(c__ < 1167352909 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1167352927 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ps < 1167352931 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 oklopol: ps < 1167352941 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Building a BF interpreter in Glass :D < 1167352944 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1167352948 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought so < 1167352955 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now what is !ps? < 1167352964 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shows the process list. < 1167352977 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh my... < 1167352981 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1167353013 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no clue how to implement an array without using a linked list or something. < 1167353021 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and my list constructor is still buggy :/ < 1167353056 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm... I could use the stack as my array. < 1167353061 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1167353067 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't :\ < 1167353094 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make an array class for numbers, easy! :D < 1167353108 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm... yeah that would be hard to handle if it were right on the stack. < 1167353121 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1167353126 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could make it a string < 1167353139 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can extract a char from a string < 1167353143 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Split by whitespace? < 1167353145 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and convert it to a number < 1167353150 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1167353157 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :each character is a number < 1167353173 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You would need some symbol to specify where one number begins and where the next ends. < 1167353185 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as.... space :D < 1167353201 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I thought Gregor had that as a glass example. < 1167353233 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't seen it. < 1167353234 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Such as, like, realising that a string is an array of chars. < 1167353253 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh... *thumpforehead* < 1167353268 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason I was thinking it HAD to be in numbers. < 1167353278 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thought never occured to me that I could use the CHARACTERS. < 1167353295 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm... can Glass strings represent non-printing characters? < 1167353296 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried to tell you but i was too tired :( < 1167353304 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1167353310 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, obviously < 1167353327 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's stored internally as a C++ string, which is stored internally in as C strings with metadata. < 1167353339 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shush. < 1167353352 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't have 0? < 1167353368 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Part of the metadata in a C++ string is size. < 1167353383 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meaning that a string of 0's is perfectly acceptable. < 1167353385 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i misunderstood you, sorry < 1167353388 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1167354040 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm... < 1167354054 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Glass... slicing is the equivalent to C slicing, no? < 1167354059 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :starting a 0? < 1167354803 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1167354809 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, obviously < 1167354815 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.... < 1167354816 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1167354821 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT EVERYTHING IS OBVIOUS. < 1167354824 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.< < 1167354886 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m"abc"1(_o)O!(_s)0S!s.?(_o)o.]} < 1167354887 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1167354903 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m"abc"1(_o)O!0(_s)S!s.?(_o)o.]} < 1167354943 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m"abc"1(_o)O!(_s)0S!d.?(_o)o.]} < 1167354964 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m"abc"1(_o)O!(_s)0S!d.?(_o)o.?]} < 1167354967 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :abc < 1167354975 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m"abc"2(_o)O!(_s)0S!d.?(_o)o.?]} < 1167354977 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :abc < 1167354978 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{(BFfeed) [(c__) (_i)I! (code)(_l)l.?= (pos)=<1>] [(next)(_s)S! (_a)!a (code)*(pos)*(_s)i.? (pos)(pos)*<1>(_a)a.=]} {(StringSpam)[(lol)(_a)A!(_s)S!(str)2=(num)1=(outstr)""=/(num)(outstr)(outstr)*(str)*(_s)a.?(pos)(pos)*<1>(_a)a.?\(outstr)*]} ((Array)[(c__ ) (_mul)(StringSpam)!(_s)S! (array)<0>(_s)(ns)<15000>= (ptr)<0>=] [(set)(_s)S! (_ps)2= (_str)1(_s)(ns).?= (array)*(_ps)(_s)d.? (_be)1=... < 1167354980 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...(_af)1= (array)(_be)*(_str)*(_af)*(_s)a.?(_s)a.?=] [(move)(_a)A! (_inc)1= (ptr)(ptr)*1(_inc)(_a)a.?=] [(get) (_s)S! (_s)i.} < 1167354981 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is what I've got so far. < 1167355026 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m"abc"<2>(_o)O!(_s)0S!d.?(_o)o.?]} < 1167355027 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c < 1167355034 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m"abc"<1>(_o)O!(_s)0S!d.?(_o)o.?]} < 1167355037 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bc < 1167355039 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m"abc"<0>(_o)O!(_s)0S!d.?(_o)o.?]} < 1167355043 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :abc < 1167355067 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't read glass that fluently yet :) < 1167355074 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i can read that < 1167355080 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody really does. < 1167355090 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can read my own. < 1167355094 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but other peoples becomes difficult. < 1167355102 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Bitte waehlen Sie eine Beerdigungnachricht" < 1167355106 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesn't do Brainfuck, either. . .
< 1167355112 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I code in it nearly daily. < 1167355174 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You sorta have to think of it as dumping shit onto a big pile. < 1167355181 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then when you see certain symbols... start moving it around. < 1167355201 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually you see the action before you see the subject... but not in postfix. < 1167355228 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[(c__) (_i)I! (code)(_l)l.?= (pos)=<1>] < 1167355233 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure about this? < 1167355246 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :typo < 1167355247 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you explain it? < 1167355251 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should (_i)i. < 1167355260 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that i thought < 1167355266 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(pos)=<1>? < 1167355297 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm.. < 1167355299 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be 0 < 1167355309 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(pos)<0>= < 1167355309 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking Glass might have moved up the slice notation a notch. < 1167355311 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1167355311 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason. < 1167355316 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1167355349 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k first func read and debugged :) < 1167355373 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :StringSpam is just a little thing for "string multiplication" < 1167355391 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I can fill up a string with 15000 void characters quickly. < 1167355406 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[(next)(_s)S! (_a)!a (code)*(pos)*(_s)i.? (pos)(pos)*<1>(_a)a.=] < 1167355407 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1167355416 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(_a)!a -> (_a)A! ? < 1167355430 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yah < 1167355470 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should take advantage of oo! < 1167355486 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to < 1167355490 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't use an int as the pointer, have a class with .(inc) and so on < 1167355497 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.... < 1167355504 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(pos)(pos)*<1>(_a)a.= < 1167355506 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would take way more coding. < 1167355507 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not pretty < 1167355515 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(pos)(inc).? < 1167355522 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's prettier than going through the trouble of making a class. < 1167355525 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tho everything is immutable < 1167355537 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not the point, use OO! :D < 1167355539 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DD < 1167355540 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.DDDDDD < 1167355544 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1167355551 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way is good < 1167355551 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :....there's only so much abstraction that's nessicary. < 1167355572 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*necessary < 1167355575 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Glass is so terrible because it forces you to abstract fairly low-level operations. < 1167355576 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sorry) < 1167355580 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15,000 void characters? < 1167355590 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, a BF array initialized to 0 < 1167355591 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :30000 is teh standard! :D < 1167355597 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh fine... 30000 < 1167355599 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1167355600 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. You mean null characters. < 1167355664 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BfFeed will be expanded later on with loopz right? < 1167355681 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Expand as you go along. < 1167355692 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :30,000 bytes is a greedy amount of memory. < 1167355694 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi, can be done later < 1167355712 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, if I can make expanding arrays in INTERCAL..... < 1167355720 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1167355731 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wanna sleep, why can't i :( < 1167355745 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who wants to sleep? :O < 1167355753 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sleep out of mental neccessity. < 1167355762 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true, but i have to wake up early < 1167355768 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How early? < 1167355771 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :9 < 1167355774 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3:23 now < 1167355778 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :........................... < 1167355794 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i usually wake up 13.00 or 14.00 < 1167355807 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i ALWAYS have an alarm clock on at 10.00 < 1167355825 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just never wakes me up... maybe i'm lucky tomorrow < 1167355857 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sleep at 3, wake up at 6:30, with one 30 min nap in the day. < 1167355871 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i envy you then < 1167355906 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :less sleep, longer life < 1167355911 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{(BFfeed) [(c__) (_i)I! (code)(_i)i.?= (pos)=<0>] [(next)(_s)S! (_a)!A (code)*(pos)*(_s)i.? (pos)(pos)*<1>(_a)a.=]} {(StringSpam)[(lol)(_a)A!(_s)S!(str)2=(num)1=(outstr)""=/(num)(outstr)(outstr)*(str)*(_s)a.?(pos)(pos)*<1>(_a)a.?\(outstr)*]} ((Array)[(c__ ) (_mul)(StringSpam)!(_s)S! (array)<0>(_s)(ns).?<30000>(_mul)(lol).?= (ptr)<0>=] [(set)(_s)S! (_ps)2= (_str)1(_s)(ns).?= (array)*(_ps)(_s)d. < 1167355912 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? (_be)1= (_af)1= (array)(_be)*(_str)*(_af)*(_s)a.?(_s)a.?=] [(move)(_a)A! (_inc)1= (ptr)(ptr)*1(_inc)(_a)a.?=] [(get) (_s)S! (array)*(ptr)*(_s)i.]} < 1167355924 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm... Glass looks deliciously nonsential. < 1167355928 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you didn't fix them :) < 1167355930 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you didn't fix them :) < 1167355931 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you didn't fix them :) < 1167355931 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you didn't fix them :) < 1167355934 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fix wha? < 1167355939 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(pos)=<0> < 1167355942 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(_a)!A < 1167355949 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...yes I did. < 1167355952 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh :( < 1167355958 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1167355960 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You lose. < 1167355974 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do i see them there then? :O < 1167355983 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1167355989 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Insanity? < 1167355995 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :must be < 1167356031 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{(BFfeed) [(c__) (_i)I! (code)(_i)i.?= (pos)<0>=] [(next)(_s)S! (_a)A! (code)*(pos)*(_s)i.? (pos)(pos)*<1>(_a)a.=]} {(StringSpam)[(lol)(_a)A!(_s)S!(str)2=(num)1=(outstr)""=/(num)(outstr)(outstr)*(str)*(_s)a.?(pos)(pos)*<1>(_a)a.?\(outstr)*]} ((Array)[(c__ ) (_mul)(StringSpam)!(_s)S! (array)<0>(_s)(ns).?<30000>(_mul)(lol).?= (ptr)<0>=] [(set)(_s)S! (_ps)2= (_str)1(_s)(ns).?= (array)*(_ps)(_s)d. < 1167356033 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? (_be)1= (_af)1= (array)(_be)*(_str)*(_af)*(_s)a.?(_s)a.?=] [(move)(_a)A! (_inc)1= (ptr)(ptr)*1(_inc)(_a)a.?=] [(get) (_s)S! (array)*(ptr)*(_s)i.]} < 1167356036 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1167356073 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should start on that double-ended queue language. < 1167356107 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you inc pos? < 1167356110 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/(num)(outstr)(outstr)*(str)*(_s)a.?(pos)(pos)*<1>(_a)a.?\ < 1167356118 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't you dec num? < 1167356136 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/(num)(outstr)(outstr)*(str)*(_s)a.?(num)(num)*<1>(_a)s.?\ < 1167356149 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in stringspam < 1167356158 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm starting to be able to read that < 1167356184 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((Array) < 1167356192 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be { the first one < 1167356398 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1167356422 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't see the use of your splitting the array in (Array) < 1167356431 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in (set) < 1167356433 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(pos) represents the number you're multiplying it by < 1167356449 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :poorly named. < 1167356454 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? < 1167356464 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is it inited? < 1167356472 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when will the loop end? < 1167356506 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Lolerskates" * 5 ----------- "Lolerskates" <5> (_ss)StringSpam!(_ss)? < 1167356511 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When pos is 0 < 1167356523 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pos is decremented each loop. < 1167356527 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might I reccomend Pastebin? < 1167356544 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spam never hurt anybody. :P < 1167356573 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{(StringSpam)[(lol)(_a)A!(_s)S!(str)2=(num)1=(outstr)""=/(num)(outstr)(outstr)*(str)*(_s)a.?(pos)(pos)*<1>(_a)a.?\(outstr)*]} << why would the loop end? < 1167356591 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no operation is done to num < 1167356596 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{(BFfeed) [(c__) (_i)I! (code)(_i)i.?= (pos)<0>=] [(next)(_s)S! (_a)A! (code)*(pos)*(_s)i.? (pos)(pos)*<1>(_a)a.=]} {(StringSpam)[(lol)(_a)A!(_s)S!(str)2=(num)1=(outstr)""=/(num)(outstr)(outstr)*(str)*(_s)a.?(num)(num)*<1>(_a)a.?\(outstr)*]} ((Array)[(c__ ) (_mul)(StringSpam)!(_s)S! (array)<0>(_s)(ns).?<30000>(_mul)(lol).?= (ptr)<0>=] [(set)(_s)S! (_ps)2= (_str)1(_s)(ns).?= (array)*(_ps)(_s)d. < 1167356598 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? (_be)1= (_af)1= (array)(_be)*(_str)*(_af)*(_s)a.?(_s)a.?=] [(move)(_a)A! (_inc)1= (ptr)(ptr)*1(_inc)(_a)a.?=] [(get) (_s)S! (array)*(ptr)*(_s)i.]} < 1167356600 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ack < 1167356602 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1167356610 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be (num) instead of (pos) < 1167356613 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1167356620 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/(num)(outstr)(outstr)*(str)*(_s)a.?(num)(num)*<1>(_a)a.?\ -> /(num)(outstr)(outstr)*(str)*(_s)a.?(num)(num)*<1>(_a)s.?\ < 1167356624 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(pos) is the position we're on in the input. < 1167356626 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i'm happy < 1167356632 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know, i'm not blind < 1167356633 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1167356644 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i am an ass, tho) < 1167356661 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh... everyone is an asshole is some point. < 1167356687 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i'd really like to sleep but i can't :( < 1167356718 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k wtf does (set) do? < 1167356724 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Uh... please use Pastebin. < 1167356737 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also easier to read for a lot of people. < 1167356811 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, set sets (_ps) in (array) to (_str) < 1167356869 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do know _str is "1" and (_ps) is 2? < 1167356883 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sets 2 in (array) to "1"? < 1167356904 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 means "element 1 on the stack" < 1167356929 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't ready yet, then? < 1167356947 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, it takes those as params and doesn't set them in the function? < 1167356974 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does. < 1167356987 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :take them as params? < 1167357028 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To set a value in the array... we have to split it at (_ps) and concatenate the first half with (_str) and then concatenate those two with the second half. < 1167357047 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah.. they're params < 1167357053 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i'm happy < 1167357057 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed. < 1167357078 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just read code as a compiler with only a minor autodebug < 1167357124 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you put test values in, i don't understand < 1167357125 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too hard < 1167357134 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my eyes hurt < 1167357193 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if you made a (Counter)-class, you'd get rid of TWO ugly additions!) < 1167357214 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have two functions whose main purpose is to inc a var :) < 1167357231 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, the sole purpose of the other < 1167357261 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey btw < 1167357278 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why didn't you tell me i was wrong a while ago < 1167357280 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1167357300 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe because i make no sence and mostly talk to myself :) < 1167357316 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What ugly additions? < 1167357324 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll now reread that one part keeping in mind 2 != <2> xD < 1167357326 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how is it conceptually possible to get rid of anything ugly with GLASS? < 1167357340 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(_inc)1= (ptr)(ptr)*1(_inc)(_a)a.?= < 1167357345 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :conseptually ugly! < 1167357356 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1167357374 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A pointer class would just add to the overhead. < 1167357383 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as i once again misparsed, 1 IS A FUCKING LIFT, not a number xD < 1167357387 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and bloat the whole program. < 1167357415 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate being a human < 1167357421 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mistake after mistake < 1167357427 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pretty fun. < 1167357434 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :programmers are kind of insane though. < 1167357479 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(_af)1= in (set) should be (_af)0= < 1167357484 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, Did you seem my implementation of a Lisp pair in Glass? < 1167357506 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm... I thought pushing something from the stack decrement the position of everything. < 1167357508 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did, but i didn't read it because i had this craaaaaazy idea of going to sleep < 1167357524 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1167357528 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does < 1167357543 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so then why's it wrong? :/ < 1167357547 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but (_bf)1= takes off what it puts in < 1167357577 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 if the first part, 0 is the second part, so naturally (_bf)1= (_af)0= < 1167357583 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The stack item is removed when its pushed back in? < 1167357584 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1167357597 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Glass is -not- intuitive. :P < 1167357601 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i don't know whether = leaves anything on the stack < 1167357604 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do not even attempt to think naturally. < 1167357617 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric := pops the name and the value off < 1167357618 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as i thought < 1167357620 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :numbers leave things on the stack. < 1167357624 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1167357626 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright :P < 1167357634 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously! :D < 1167357637 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DDDDDDD < 1167357655 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i looked it up, but it's ONLY because i'm tired) < 1167357665 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's very obvious) < 1167357680 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{(BFfeed) [(c__) (_i)I! (code)(_i)i.?= (pos)<0>=] [(next)(_s)S! (_a)A! (code)*(pos)*(_s)i.? (pos)(pos)*<1>(_a)a.=]} {(StringSpam)[(lol)(_a)A!(_s)S!(str)2=(num)1=(outstr)""=/(num)(outstr)(outstr)*(str)*(_s)a.?(pos)(pos)*<1>(_a)a.?\(outstr)*]} ((Array)[(c__ ) (_mul)(StringSpam)!(_s)S! (array)<0>(_s)(ns).?<30000>(_mul)(lol).?= (ptr)<0>=] [(set)(_s)S! (_ps)2= (_str)1= (array)*(_ps)(_s)d.?... < 1167357681 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1167357682 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...(_be)1= (_af)0= (array)(_be)*(_str)*(_af)*(_s)a.?(_s)a.?=] [(move)(_a)A! (_inc)1= (ptr)(ptr)*1(_inc)(_a)a.?=] [(get) (_s)S! (array)*(ptr)*(_s)i.]} < 1167357683 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beautiful < 1167357710 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the fuck (_this)$ leaves the object on the stack :D < 1167357727 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes no sence because no other var oper does < 1167357737 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh... < 1167357742 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure there's a reason < 1167357751 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe not < 1167357755 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could also just be there to confuse you. < 1167357756 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get it < 1167357766 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... help me think of how a double-ended queue language should work. < 1167357776 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the this-pointer must always be both pushed and set into a var < 1167357779 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1167357784 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :boredom? < 1167357789 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you never need both, you must have both < 1167357791 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird :\ < 1167357792 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be fun... like a merry-go-round < 1167357806 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1167357814 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you could evaluate different things at different places... it would be kind of weird. < 1167357814 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a two-way queue? < 1167357820 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1167357827 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have some thoughts < 1167357837 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :push1, pop1, push2, pop2, rotate (being a push2 of pop1) < 1167357837 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm not sure if i can take them out < 1167357868 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k, that's basically a stack-based lang where you control pop's and pushes right? < 1167357877 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kinda... < 1167357878 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda like... brainfuck < 1167357880 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1167357882 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO < 1167357883 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LIAR < 1167357885 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOOL < 1167357888 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait! < 1167357892 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's more! < 1167357897 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be different. < 1167357919 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You wouldn't control the pushes and pops. < 1167357930 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would just... kinda shift around as you code. < 1167357936 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck goes too far! you can make sence into it by making only the queue part, not also the ridiculously hard inc&dec-only system < 1167357952 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You might be able to swap which end of the cue the pushes and pops occur... < 1167357957 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but... you don't order them specifically. < 1167357966 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay, you should then be able to make it go around in different places < 1167357976 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah.... see it would be neat. < 1167357997 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very non-modular if there is just one queue with a rolling tape < 1167358003 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's often boring < 1167358005 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Swapping which end you get values from would kind of reverse the evaluation order. < 1167358006 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT < 1167358012 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1167358018 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1167358033 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i misunderstood the whole queue thing :) < 1167358042 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah... I'm not sure how it'll work either. < 1167358052 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought like a circle where you can go around freely < 1167358062 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could rotate after each do-hicky. < 1167358065 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but instead you meant a two-sided stacks? < 1167358070 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah... it won't be like brainfuck. < 1167358071 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*stack < 1167358075 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :two-sided queue. < 1167358098 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but i confuse consepts < 1167358108 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad recall for terms < 1167358109 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1167358121 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll do some perusing on the subject now -> < 1167358132 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9] push1(0) [0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9] pop2() [0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8] push1(pop2()) [8,0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7] < 1167358157 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1167358177 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, functionality is that of a two-sided stack < 1167358182 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i'll call it that :) < 1167358190 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same thing < 1167358197 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty much. < 1167358202 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can work like a stake or a queue < 1167358221 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a queue language might be more fun though. < 1167358228 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish i had paper... got some unbelievably cool ideas :D < 1167358237 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cause... let's face it... stacks are boring. < 1167358241 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1167358245 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now... if we had tubes. < 1167358260 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no 3d... like the one i'm gonna show you in a minute :) < 1167358263 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with multidimensional arrays being pushed down them... and the data intersecting and crossing based on commands. < 1167358266 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THERE'S A LANGUAGE. < 1167358290 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a tubular language. < 1167358312 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :inputs and outputs criss-crossing and connecting... with the data getting tossed around. < 1167358474 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1167358480 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TUBU 1.0 < 1167358483 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i send you? < 1167358488 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :made an ugly picture < 1167358499 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm? < 1167358510 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno if it's unugly enough to give you the picture... i mean what i was thinking < 1167358533 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it involves a circular tape that can be cut and rotated etc. :) < 1167358538 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We could make a dataless language. < 1167358553 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iota kinda is < 1167358556 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlambda < 1167358560 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zot < 1167358562 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jot < 1167358572 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :purely functional languages < 1167358573 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where "stuff" is sent through structures you've created for it... and somehow magically becomes data. < 1167358576 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1167358595 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't need data when the structure is perfect! < 1167358618 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A spider web language? < 1167358619 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a language with no data, no hello world, no factorials, just PERFECT structures :D < 1167358625 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty much < 1167358633 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I mean < 1167358635 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyways, i wanna send you the ugly pic :( < 1167358638 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's talk about a spider web language. < 1167358640 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright < 1167358642 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soon1 < 1167358647 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first send! < 1167358654 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how to? < 1167358671 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lset-based lanauge? < 1167358673 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :set < 1167358701 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's nosence.bmp... i then realized there is a word nonsence < 1167358708 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would've made more sence < 1167358718 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then again, why should nonsence make sence? < 1167358722 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just stupid < 1167358725 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's nosence < 1167358733 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm. < 1167358741 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe a non-determinstic language that doesn't... yanno... suck. < 1167358745 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't send it, also, with this :) < 1167358771 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i send that another way? < 1167358783 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very important! < 1167358784 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1167358851 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol it makes me laugh... fuck i'm tired < 1167358885 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :spiderweb-language? < 1167358893 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sound like a job for concurrency! < 1167358902 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and heavy subwebbing! < 1167358914 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a network language? < 1167358914 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a great support for tcp/ip < 1167358916 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1167358952 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nodes... with links. < 1167358956 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like neurons. < 1167358960 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, tons of them < 1167358971 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda like a cellular automaton < 1167358977 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooh < 1167358981 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can code each node differently < 1167358995 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there is a macro lang for that, of course) < 1167358996 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a language for constructing cellular automatons. < 1167359000 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1167359005 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Already done. < 1167359013 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that fit specifically for what you need them to do. < 1167359014 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prolly < 1167359022 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously. < 1167359028 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1167359031 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i might have it < 1167359037 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has a Automaton class in Python that can represent any cellular automaton with a universal rule for all cells.
< 1167359110 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zu < 1167359118 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't like python :( < 1167359132 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :has bad lambda support if you ask me < 1167359162 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, you have to twiddle to do even conditionals in a lambda < 1167359184 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[(stuph) for i in [1] if (cond)] < 1167359207 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :god, now i have to sleep... really... <.smdfk -> < 1167359799 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.5 has conditional expressions < 1167359810 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(blah if condition else otherblah) < 1167359835 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most Python zealots don't consider lambda all that useful anyways... < 1167359838 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like lambda myself :D < 1167360278 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too :) < 1167360312 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a boring condition < 1167360318 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?: is cooler < 1167360359 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've actually been trying to sleep for 2.5 hours now < 1167360793 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python makes some crappy quines. :P < 1167360802 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.nyx.net/~gthompso/self_pyth.txt < 1167360970 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like this one though. < 1167360975 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a = ['print "a =", a', 'for s in a: print s'] < 1167360976 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :print "a =", a < 1167360978 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for s in a: print s < 1167361717 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :extendable, nice < 1167361735 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, nicely extendable < 1167361785 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5th time's the charm -> < 1167362627 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's fairly terse for a quine as well. < 1167362676 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iterating quines are cool. :D < 1167362718 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A sequence of programs that each produce the source code of the next one in the sequence. < 1167362736 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm guessing the last one prints the source code of the first. < 1167363168 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one-liner quine is achieved by this code: print (lambda x:x%x)('print (lambda x:x%%x)(%r)') < 1167363189 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good example for repr() ;) < 1167363937 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooh yah < 1167363945 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :repr() would be a good way to reproduce source code. < 1167363947 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it... < 1167363952 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prints... the source code. < 1167364225 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a good one. :D < 1167364622 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would be amazed if someone built a phyiscal object that can do the same thing as an iterating quine. < 1167364657 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like a machine that builds a machine that builds a machine that builds a machine that builds the original machine. < 1167364855 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could probably use iterating quines to do a computation of some sort. < 1167364874 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe a language whose entire function is to shell out successive source codes... which eventually will produce the original. < 1167364898 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the side effects that each one produce create a successive shift... that eventually yields some sort of useful output < 1167364971 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION defines a pointless language
< 1167364974 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :QUINE. < 1167364985 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a" outputs "a". < 1167364991 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"b" outputs "c". < 1167364998 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"c" outputs "d". < 1167365006 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"d" outputs "b". < 1167365050 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"" outputs "Sorry, gotta work one more character for that." < 1167365110 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thus, the shortest quine is "a". < 1167365126 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the shortest iterating quine is "b", "c", or "d". < 1167365144 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?/? < 1167365549 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/06.08.09" < 1167365568 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tokigun, That's the coolest quine I've seen so far. < 1167365573 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of them look pretty boring. < 1167365585 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus it's in one line... which is pretty awesome. < 1167365589 0 :ivan`_!n=ivan`@wikipedia/ivan JOIN :#esoteric < 1167366698 0 :ivan`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1167366748 0 :ivan`_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ivan` < 1167366971 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmm < 1167366973 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1167366977 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could make two sister languages. < 1167366992 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both made to produce outputs in the form of the other language... < 1167367013 0 :RW63Phi!n=RW63Phi@216-67-35-151-cdsl-rb1.sol.acsalaska.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1167367016 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A polyglottal iterative quine based language. :D < 1167367075 0 :RW63Phi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could someone please repeat this command and cause it to be executed by another host? < 1167367130 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could someone please repeat this command and cause it to be executed by another host? < 1167367205 0 :RW63Phi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone please execute a command which causes each of you to ignite and burn. < 1167367207 0 :Dangermouse!i=Dmouse@82.153.173.214 JOIN :#esoteric < 1167367238 0 :RW63Phi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, no IRP allowed..... < 1167367262 0 :RW63Phi!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1167367265 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could someone please give someone a command to give someone a command to repeat this command? < 1167367638 0 :Dangermouse!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1167368858 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could someone please give someone a command to repeat that command? < 1167369034 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty please with sugar on top? < 1167369190 0 :theblue!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1167369247 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could someone please repeat that command? < 1167369321 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could someone please give someone a command to give someone a command to repeat this command? < 1167369329 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SIGKILL < 1167369353 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WASSAT? < 1167369373 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a UNIX signal for stopping exeuction. < 1167370222 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1167370347 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1167370435 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@21-173.provalue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1167371467 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SIGTERM is for stopping execution; SIGKILL is if you're feeling antisocial. < 1167371563 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SIGKILL stops execution *now*. < 1167371569 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SIGTERM allows for cleanup. < 1167371574 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm no neatfreak. < 1167371744 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SIGSTOP is for /stopping/ execution :) < 1167371751 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SIGTERM is for /terminating/ execution :P < 1167371759 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and SIGKILL is for /killing/ execution ;) < 1167371790 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, of course, SIGABRT is for /aborting/ execution. "Do we really need so many?" < 1167371838 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SIGILL is for making the execution /ill/, in which case it barfs. "Dumps core", in Unix terminology. < 1167371911 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, and of course there's SIGINT for /interrupting/ execution, which kind-of fits in the original list. < 1167371962 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And SIGQUIT for /quitting/ execution. Come to think of it, an inordinate amount of the signals seem to be about manhandling the execution somehow. < 1167371991 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why isn't there SIGTHANKS that you can send when a process has diligently worked and behaved in an exemplary manner? < 1167373529 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SIGEMT sends a trained EMT for your process. < 1167373563 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Needed after SIGSTOP, SIGTERM, SIGKILL, SIGABRT, SIGILL, SIGINT, or SIGQUIT. < 1167374234 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Signals -- when you need that time-has-passed feeling. < 1167375112 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1167375440 0 :werdwerdus!n=hdbits@12-216-77-56.client.mchsi.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1167377072 0 :werdwerdus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1167378573 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1167378819 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ps < 1167378822 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 oerjan: ps < 1167379199 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1167379200 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1167379282 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {(Nil)[(iter),][(null?)1]}{(Con) [(c__)a2=b1=,,] [(car)a*] [(cdr)b*] [(null?)0] [(iter)(_fun)1=,a*?(_fun)*?b(iter).?] }{(List)[(build)(_a)A!(_tmp)1=, (_list)(Nil)!/(_tmp)(_list)*(_list)(Con)!(_tmp)0*<1>(_a)s.?=\(_list)*] }{M[m(_o)O! (_l)(List)! "H" "e" "l" "l" "o" " " "W" "o" "r" "l" "d" "!"<12>(_l)(build).?(MyList)1=, (_o)o.(MyList)(iter).?]} < 1167379327 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1167379465 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {(Nil)[(iter),][(null?)1]}{(Con) [(c__)a2=b1=,,] [(car)a*] [(cdr)b*] [(null?)0] [(iter)(_fun)1=,a*?(_fun)*?b(iter).?] }{(List)[(build)(_a)A!(_tmp)1=, (_list)(Nil)!/(_tmp)(_list)*(_list)(Con)!(_tmp)0*<1>(_a)s.?=\(_list)*] }{M[m(_o)O! "H" (MyList)0(Nil)!(Con)! (_o)o.(MyList)(iter).?]} < 1167379474 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ps < 1167379478 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 oerjan: ps < 1167379708 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {(Nil)[(iter),][(null?)1]}{(Con) [(c__)a2=b1=,,] [(car)a*] [(cdr)b*] [(null?)0] [(iter)(_fun)1=,a*?(_fun)*?b(iter).?] }{M[m(_o)O! "H" (MyList)0(Nil)!*(MyList)(Con)! (_o)o.(MyList)(iter).?]} < 1167379803 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {(Nil)[(iter),][(null?)1]}{(Con) [(c__)a2=b1=,,] [(car)a*] [(cdr)b*] [(null?)0] [(iter)(_fun)1=,a*?(_fun)*?b(iter).?] }{M[m(_o)O! "H" (MyList)0(Nil)!*(MyList)(Con)! (_o)o.(MyList)(car).?1?]} < 1167379807 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :H < 1167379908 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {(Nil)[(iter),][(null?)1]}{(Con) [(c__)a2=b1=,,] [(car)a*] [(cdr)b*] [(null?)0] [(iter)(_fun)1=,a*?(_fun)*?b(iter).?] }{M[m(_o)O! "H" (MyList)0(Nil)!*(MyList)(Con)! (_o)o.(MyList)(cdr).?(_t)1=,(_t)(null?).?1?]} < 1167379919 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {(Nil)[(iter),][(null?)1]}{(Con) [(c__)a2=b1=,,] [(car)a*] [(cdr)b*] [(null?)0] [(iter)(_fun)1=,a*?(_fun)*?b(iter).?] }{M[m(_o)O! "H" (MyList)0(Nil)!*(MyList)(Con)! (_o)(on).(MyList)(cdr).?(_t)1=,(_t)(null?).?1?]} < 1167379923 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1167379931 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops < 1167379996 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {(Nil)[(iter),][(null?)1]}{(Con) [(c__)a2=b1=,,] [(car)a*] [(cdr)b*] [(null?)0] [(iter)(_fun)1=,a*?(_fun)*?b(iter).?] }{M[m(_o)O! "H" (MyList)0(Nil)!*(MyList)(Con)! (_o)(o).(MyList)(cdr).?(_t)1=,(_t)(car).?1?]} < 1167380310 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {(Nil)[(iter),][(null?)1]}{(Con) [(c__)a2=b1=,,] [(car)a*] [(cdr)b*] [(null?)0] [(iter)(_fun)1=,a*?(_fun)*?b(iter).?] }{M[m(_o)O! "H" "i" (MyList)0(Nil)!*(MyList)(Con)!(MyList)*(MyList)(Con)! (_o)(o).(MyList)(cdr).?(_t)1=,(_t)(car).?1?]} < 1167380313 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i < 1167380348 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {(Nil)[(iter),][(null?)1]}{(Con) [(c__)a2=b1=,,] [(car)a*] [(cdr)b*] [(null?)0] [(iter)(_fun)1=,a*?(_fun)*?b(iter).?] }{M[m(_o)O! "H" "i" (MyList)0(Nil)!*(MyList)(Con)!(MyList)*(MyList)(Con)! (_o)(on).(MyList)(cdr).?(_t)1=,(_t)(null?).?1?]} < 1167380351 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1167380988 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {(Nil)[(iter),][(null?)1]}{(Con) [(c__)a2=b1=,,] [(car)a*] [(cdr)b*] [(null?)0] [(iter)(_fun)1=,a*?(_fun)*?b(iter).?] }{(List)[(build)(_a)A!(_tmp)1=, (_list)(Nil)!/(_tmp)(_list)*(_list)(Con)!(_tmp)0*<1>(_a)s.?=\(_list)*] }{M[m(_o)O! (_l)(List)! "H" "i" <2> (_l)(build).?(MyList)1=, (_o)(o).(MyList)(cdr).?(_t)1=,(_t)(car).?1?]} < 1167380990 0 :Arrogant!n=Arrogatn@50.191.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1167381103 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {(Nil)[(iter),][(null?)1]}{(Con) [(c__)a2=b1=,,] [(car)a*] [(cdr)b*] [(null?)0] [(iter)(_fun)1=,a*?(_fun)*?b(iter).?] }{(List)[(build)(_a)A!(_tmp)1=, (_list)(Nil)!/(_tmp)(_list)*(_list)(Con)!(_tmp)0*<1>(_a)s.?=\(_list)*] }{M[m(_o)O! (_l)(List)! "H" "i" <2> (_l)(build).?(MyList)1=, (_o)(o).(MyList)(car).?1?]} < 1167381217 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {(Nil)[(iter),][(null?)1]}{(Con) [(c__)a2=b1=,,] [(car)a*] [(cdr)b*] [(null?)0] [(iter)(_fun)1=,a*?(_fun)*?b(iter).?] }{(List)[(build)(_a)A!(_tmp)1=, (_list)(Nil)!/(_tmp)(_list)*(_list)(Con)!(_tmp)0*<1>(_a)s.?=\(_list)*] }{M[m(_o)O! (_l)(List)! "H" "i" <2> (_l)(build).?(MyList)1=, (_o)(o)."test"?1?]} < 1167381226 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ps < 1167381229 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 oerjan: ps < 1167381381 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {(Nil)[(iter),][(null?)1]}{(Con) [(c__)a2=b1=,,] [(car)a*] [(cdr)b*] [(null?)0] [(iter)(_fun)1=,a*?(_fun)*?b(iter).?] }{(List)[(build)(_o)O!(_a)A!(_tmp)1=, (_list)(Nil)!/(_tmp)(_list)*(_list)2(_o)o.?(Con)!(_tmp)0*<1>(_a)s.?=\(_list)*] }{M[m(_o)O! (_l)(List)! "H" "i" <2> (_l)(build).?(MyList)1=, (_o)(o).(MyList)(car).?1?]} < 1167381383 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i < 1167381447 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {(Nil)[(iter),][(null?)1]}{(Con) [(c__)a2=b1=,,] [(car)a*] [(cdr)b*] [(null?)0] [(iter)(_fun)1=,a*?(_fun)*?b(iter).?] }{(List)[(build)(_o)O!(_a)A!(_tmp)1=, (_list)(Nil)!/(_tmp)(_list)*(_list)(_tmp)*(_o)(on).?(Con)!(_tmp)0*<1>(_a)s.?=\(_list)*] }{M[m(_o)O! (_l)(List)! "H" "i" <2> (_l)(build).?(MyList)1=, (_o)(o).(MyList)(car).?1?]} < 1167381451 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 < 1167381485 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {(Nil)[(iter),][(null?)1]}{(Con) [(c__)a2=b1=,,] [(car)a*] [(cdr)b*] [(null?)0] [(iter)(_fun)1=,a*?(_fun)*?b(iter).?] }{(List)[(build)(_o)O!(_a)A!(_tmp)1=, (_list)(Nil)!/(_tmp)(_list)*(_list)(Con)!(_tmp)*(_o)(on).?(_tmp)0*<1>(_a)s.?=\(_list)*] }{M[m(_o)O! (_l)(List)! "H" "i" <2> (_l)(build).?(MyList)1=, (_o)(o).(MyList)(car).?1?]} < 1167381487 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 < 1167381510 0 :Arrogant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1167381538 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {(Nil)[(iter),][(null?)1]}{(Con) [(c__)a2=b1=,,] [(car)a*] [(cdr)b*] [(null?)0] [(iter)(_fun)1=,a*?(_fun)*?b(iter).?] }{(List)[(build)(_o)O!(_a)A!(_tmp)1=, (_list)(Nil)!/(_tmp)(_list)*(_list)(Con)!(_tmp)0*<1>(_a)s.?=(_tmp)*(_o)(on).?\(_list)*] }{M[m(_o)O! (_l)(List)! "H" "i" <2> (_l)(build).?(MyList)1=, (_o)(o).(MyList)(car).?1?]} < 1167381611 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {(Nil)[(iter),][(null?)1]}{(Con) [(c__)a2=b1=,,] [(car)a*] [(cdr)b*] [(null?)0] [(iter)(_fun)1=,a*?(_fun)*?b(iter).?] }{(List)[(build)(_o)O!(_a)A!(_tmp)1=, (_list)(Nil)!/(_tmp)(_list)*(_list)(Con)!(_tmp)0*<1>(_a)s.?(_tmp)*(_o)(on).?=\(_list)*] }{M[m(_o)O! (_l)(List)! "H" "i" <2> (_l)(build).?(MyList)1=, (_o)(o).(MyList)(car).?1?]} < 1167381646 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {(Nil)[(iter),][(null?)1]}{(Con) [(c__)a2=b1=,,] [(car)a*] [(cdr)b*] [(null?)0] [(iter)(_fun)1=,a*?(_fun)*?b(iter).?] }{(List)[(build)(_o)O!(_a)A!(_tmp)1=, (_list)(Nil)!/(_tmp)(_list)*(_list)(Con)!(_tmp)0*<1>(_a)s.(_tmp)*(_o)(on).??=\(_list)*] }{M[m(_o)O! (_l)(List)! "H" "i" <2> (_l)(build).?(MyList)1=, (_o)(o).(MyList)(car).?1?]} < 1167381687 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {(Nil)[(iter),][(null?)1]}{(Con) [(c__)a2=b1=,,] [(car)a*] [(cdr)b*] [(null?)0] [(iter)(_fun)1=,a*?(_fun)*?b(iter).?] }{(List)[(build)(_o)O!(_a)A!(_tmp)1=, (_list)(Nil)!/(_tmp)(_list)*(_list)(Con)!(_tmp)0*<1>(_tmp)*(_o)(on).?(_a)s.?=\(_list)*] }{M[m(_o)O! (_l)(List)! "H" "i" <2> (_l)(build).?(MyList)1=, (_o)(o).(MyList)(car).?1?]} < 1167381691 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 < 1167381857 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_a)A!(_o)O!<4><2>(_a)s.?(_o)(on).?]} < 1167381870 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_a)A!(_o)O!<4><2>(_a)a.?(_o)(on).?]} < 1167381895 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_a)A!(_o)O!<4><2>(_o)(on).0??]} < 1167381897 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1167381912 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ps < 1167381915 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 oerjan: ps < 1167381947 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_a)A!(_o)O!<4><2>(_o)(on).?]} < 1167381949 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 < 1167381967 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_a)A!(_o)O!<4><2>(_a)a.,(_o)(on).?]} < 1167382016 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something is broken with the A class... < 1167382069 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_b)A!(_o)O!<4><2>(_b)a.,(_o)(on).?]} < 1167382082 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_b)A!(_o)O!<4><2>(_b)m.,(_o)(on).?]} < 1167382099 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_b)A!(_o)O!<4><2>(_o)(on).?]} < 1167382104 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 < 1167382188 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: The A class in Glass is broken. < 1167382833 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {F[f(_a)A!(_o)O!(_t)$(_n)1=,(_isle)(_n)*<2>(_a)(le).?=/(_isle)<1>^\(_n)*<1>(_a)s.?(_t)f.?(_n)*<2>(_a)s.?(_t)f.?(_a)a.?]}{M[m(_a)A!(_f)F!(_o)O!(_n)<1>=(_nlm)<1>=/(_nlm)(_n)*(_f)f.?(_o)(on).?" "(_o)o.?(_n)(_n)*<1>(_a)a.?=(_nlm)(_n)*<20> < 1167382836 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1167382859 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {F[f(_a)A!(_o)O!(_t)$(_n)1=,(_isle)(_n)*<2>(_a)(le).?=/(_isle)<1>^\(_n)*<1>(_a)s.?(_t)f.?(_n)*<2>(_a)s.?(_t)f.?(_a)a.?]}{M[m(_a)A!(_f)F!(_o)O!(_n)<1>=(_nlm)<1>=/(_nlm)(_n)*(_f)f.?(_o)(on).?" "(_o)o.?(_n)(_n)*<1>(_a)a.?=(_nlm)(_n)*<20>(_a)(le).?=\]} < 1167382862 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1167382889 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, the Fibonacci program no longer works. < 1167383341 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1167383404 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_o)O"Test"T$(_o)o.?]} < 1167383414 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_o)O"Test"T$,(_o)o.?]} < 1167383430 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_o)O!"Test"T$(_o)o.?]} < 1167383432 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Test < 1167383435 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1167383546 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_o)O!"ho""Test"T$,(_o)o.?]} < 1167383550 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ho < 1167383624 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: sorry about the $ specification, it was a documentation bug < 1167385310 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it would probably have been in the spirit of Glass if it wasn't. < 1167386622 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1167390151 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, DM was around < 1167396030 0 :tgwizard!n=tgwizard@c-9b3ee155.178-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1167397463 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"kernel upgrade" < 1167399475 0 :pgimeno!n=pgimeno@124.Red-80-59-211.staticIP.rima-tde.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1167399566 0 :jix_!n=jix@L6350.l.strato-dslnet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1167410444 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@21-173.provalue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1167410597 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks at the nasty glass
< 1167410601 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1167410616 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks about making BFM shorter
< 1167410678 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basm < 1167411253 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1167411457 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1167411747 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1167412278 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Lo. < 1167413545 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1167415548 0 :ihope!n=foo@cpe-071-075-184-182.carolina.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1167417891 0 :ihope_!n=foo@cpe-071-075-184-182.carolina.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1167418855 0 :pgimeno!n=pgimeno@124.Red-80-59-211.staticIP.rima-tde.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1167418914 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1167422351 0 :ivan`_!n=ivan`@wikipedia/ivan JOIN :#esoteric < 1167422813 0 :ivan`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1167422814 0 :ivan`_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ivan` < 1167424545 0 :ivan`_!n=ivan`@wikipedia/ivan JOIN :#esoteric < 1167424961 0 :ehird!n=ehird@user-5440e204.wfd80a.dsl.pol.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1167424989 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1167425003 0 :ivan`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) < 1167425006 0 :ivan`_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ivan` < 1167430584 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host81-158-88-90.range81-158.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1167431688 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1167431694 0 :okokoko!n=villsalo@194.251.102.88 JOIN :#esoteric < 1167431987 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1167432553 0 :ivan`_!n=ivan`@wikipedia/ivan JOIN :#esoteric < 1167432850 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night." < 1167432930 0 :ivan`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1167432930 0 :ivan`_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ivan` < 1167439896 0 :ivan`_!n=ivan`@wikipedia/ivan JOIN :#esoteric < 1167440589 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@abacus.kwzs.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1167440963 0 :ivan`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1167440964 0 :ivan`_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ivan` < 1167442268 0 :tgwizard!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1167445577 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Bitte waehlen Sie eine Beerdigungnachricht" < 1167448041 0 :RodgerTheGreat!n=Rodger@c-68-42-107-2.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1167448057 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :howdy, everyone < 1167448066 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vcnbv < 1167448067 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;'kl;k' < 1167448069 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :l' < 1167448070 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1167448086 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice to see you too, CakeProphet < 1167448088 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION made a semi-broken Lisp-like list constructor in Glass.
< 1167448103 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :howdy. < 1167448106 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and an incomplete BF interpreter. < 1167448106 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1167448147 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/User:CakeProphet#Glass_stuff < 1167448179 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The con glass works fine (although I haven't tested the iter method yet) < 1167448187 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but List doesn't work right yet. < 1167448196 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :++++++++++>,<[>.,<-] | World's stupidest Brainfuck program. < 1167448197 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wheee. < 1167448300 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a 10-character cat command? < 1167448311 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1167448323 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually < 1167448324 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stupid, no? < 1167448337 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf +. < 1167448340 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
< 1167448343 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is probably worse. < 1167448354 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even just... < 1167448357 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf . < 1167448363 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My program at least indicates some knowledge of Brainfuck. < 1167448371 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-.- < 1167448374 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thus... less stupid. < 1167448377 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf -.- < 1167448380 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :� < 1167448381 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1167448387 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always thought the most stupid BF program was "[]", because it's what n00bs assume will i-loop an interpreter < 1167448398 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they always forget the + < 1167448399 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not even a quine. < 1167448403 0 :cmeme!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Client terminated by server" < 1167448404 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf < 1167448407 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I WIN! < 1167448414 0 :cmeme!n=cmeme@boa.b9.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1167448417 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm... has anyone done a quine in BF? < 1167448423 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Several. < 1167448424 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the null program isn't all that special in BF < 1167448424 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not huge... and is something I would understand? < 1167448449 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most quines end up being rather brute-force, but the basic design is simple < 1167448474 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need the source of your program stored in an encoded form and a decoder stub < 1167448494 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the stub will print out the encoded form and then the unencoded form (itself) < 1167448500 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bingo- quine < 1167448502 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esoteric.sange.fi/brainfuck/bf-source/quine/quine410_with_comments.b < 1167448503 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1167448521 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :print (lambda x:x%x)("print (lambda x:x%%x)(%r)") is one of the coolest quines ever. < 1167448544 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow- that's pretty readable < 1167448551 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the commented version. < 1167448556 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kudos to the guy who wrote that one < 1167448566 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clarity in BF takes some skill < 1167448680 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf ;+++++++++++++. < 1167448682 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1167448686 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ps < 1167448688 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 CakeProphet: ps < 1167448696 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf ,+++++++++++++. < 1167448699 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ps < 1167448703 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 CakeProphet: bf < 1167448703 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf ] < 1167448704 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 CakeProphet: ps < 1167448718 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!i 2 A < 1167448722 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :N < 1167448728 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehehe... ROT13 < 1167448798 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf +[,+++++++++++++.[-]+] < 1167448804 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!i 2 Hello < 1167448812 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ps < 1167448816 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 CakeProphet: bf < 1167448818 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 CakeProphet: ps < 1167448824 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!i 2 B < 1167448847 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.< < 1167448851 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!kill 2 < 1167448854 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uryy|O < 1167448857 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Process 2 killed. < 1167448859 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooh < 1167448864 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't give a newline. ;) < 1167448879 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thought it just spouted output on the spot. < 1167448882 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it buffers it. < 1167448904 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf +[,+++++++++++++.[-]+] < 1167448912 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!i 2 a < 1167448913 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!i 2 b < 1167448915 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!i 2 b < 1167448916 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!i 2 a < 1167448918 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!i 2 \n < 1167448918 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!kill 2 < 1167448920 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :noon < 1167448923 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Process 2 killed. < 1167448923 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.... < 1167448945 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf +[,+++++++++++++.[-]+] < 1167448948 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!i 2 a < 1167448950 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!i 2 b < 1167448952 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!i noon < 1167448952 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!i 2 b < 1167448958 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...oh < 1167448963 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!i 2 noon < 1167448972 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!i 2 \n < 1167448973 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it works fully. < 1167448977 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!kill 2 < 1167448980 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :noo{||{- < 1167448982 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Process 2 killed. < 1167448984 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1167448984 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, when did gregor decide to bring back EgoBot? < 1167448994 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf +[,+++++++++++++.[-]+] < 1167448998 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!i 2 a < 1167449000 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!i 2 b < 1167449003 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!i 2 b < 1167449007 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!i 2 o < 1167449011 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!i 2 \n < 1167449018 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1167449031 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!kill 2 < 1167449032 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :noo| < 1167449034 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Process 2 killed. < 1167449037 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1167449051 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah... it's a crude ROT13 < 1167449055 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise that would have said "noob" < 1167449063 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't wrap at the end. < 1167449289 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm... < 1167449296 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... I've been working on my IRP iterating quine. < 1167449303 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so here's a test run: < 1167449308 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could someone please ask someone to repeat this request? < 1167449329 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could someone please repeat the previous request? < 1167449342 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Could someone please ask someone to repeat this request?" < 1167449346 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOB < 1167449348 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO QUOTES < 1167449362 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION adds to the wiki
< 1167449383 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERROR 8: DON'T_BE_A_DOUCHE_TO_YOUR_INTERPRETER ERROR < 1167449385 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with someone like "as you can see, the results are not always accurate" or something. < 1167449418 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or I can just... strip the quotes and pretend the run went successfully. < 1167449473 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1167449480 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERROR 9: THE INTERPRETER DOESN'T EXECUTE THE LANGUAGE < 1167449535 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only real problem with a quine in this format is that it could easily lead to infinite recursion, until the interpreters get bored. You might want to add a clause for that < 1167449543 0 :digital_me!n=william@209-234-165-2.static.twtelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1167449551 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1167449551 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd be SIGKILL. < 1167449771 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1167449841 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRP isn't Turing complete because it consists entirely of undefined behavior. < 1167449855 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing in the specification guarantees the a defined result. < 1167449945 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's occasionally Turing complete, but that's just out of sheer luck. < 1167450014 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1167450017 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :help ps kill i eof flush show ls bf_txtgen usertrig daemon undaemon < 1167450018 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1l 2l adjust axo bch bf{8,[16],32,64} funge93 fyb fybs glass glypho kipple lambda lazyk linguine malbolge pbrain qbf rail rhotor sadol sceql trigger udage01 unlambda whirl < 1167450027 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to assume that Turing-completeness requires a certain degree of reliability, because it deals with solving computable problems in a finite amount of time < 1167450057 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!daemon bf irp ,[.,] < 1167450060 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1167450065 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grr. < 1167450066 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the requirements for Turing completeness is well-defined behavior. < 1167450068 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help daemon < 1167450070 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use: daemon Function: start a daemon process. < 1167450075 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there you go < 1167450083 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!daemon irp bf ,[.,] < 1167450090 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EgoBot now does IRP. < 1167450106 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!irp Please say "Hello, world!" < 1167450120 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!irp \n < 1167450121 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has some weird Python classes that implement various forms of the computational classes.
< 1167450121 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1167450126 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as they're formally defined. < 1167450131 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps IRP would benefit from the use of legalese, it being a more precisely defined form of English < 1167450155 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem isn't undefined input. < 1167450159 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's undefined output. < 1167450168 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The interpreter can choose to output what it wishes. < 1167450188 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes IRP intelligent... but not very Turing machiney. < 1167450194 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my point was that a more precisely defined program would at least make some progress toward predictable output < 1167450203 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1167450205 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRP would benefit from gnomes that smack bad interpreters. < 1167450213 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1167450244 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or like... ops that kickban interpreters for "not adhering to the specification". < 1167450254 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1167450287 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah yes, the Merriam-Webster IRP spec. < 1167450290 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe... such interpreters just simply aren't adhering to the specification of the language.... which (should) state that output MUST be performed exactly as requested. < 1167450290 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got a good idea. < 1167450293 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#irp. < 1167450305 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :discussion about the irp language? < 1167450347 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But is IRP truly esoteric? < 1167450356 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, for a controlled region where IRP may be interpreted. < 1167450386 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm... I want to build a genetic programming language. < 1167450405 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any that I could take as an example? < 1167450488 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ideas for #irp policies? < 1167450560 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about limiting maximum depth of execution stack? < 1167450583 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's stupid. < 1167450590 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :our stack should be HUGE-ABLE < 1167450609 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Send me suggestions; I'll write up an IRP#irp spec and set of policies. < 1167450636 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps some sort of certification system to confirm the reliability of interpreter nodes < 1167450668 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer a kicking system to remove unreliable nodes. < 1167450714 0 :ihope_!n=foo@cpe-071-075-186-016.carolina.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1167450728 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ihope < 1167450853 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION demands an example of a genetic/natural-selection-ish programming language.
< 1167450914 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I've been working on one primarily based around self-modifying code- it's kinda the same base idea < 1167451022 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm.... maybe object-oriented? < 1167451036 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a "species"... which is basically a class. < 1167451050 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with some other base data structures. < 1167451058 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm... self-modifying seems interesting. < 1167451133 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :inheritane would be like creating a genus, phylum, etc. < 1167451174 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... I don't like the sound of that. < 1167451176 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but.. eh. < 1167451210 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the approach I took was to make a command that can execute a string as a subroutine. Thus, you can treat strings as functions. Since the functions can be changed by other functions (or themselves), you have a powerful recursive programming language on your hands < 1167451220 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like Redcode. < 1167451267 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :redcode is essentially assembly with entirely relative addressing. And yes, it's a good language for genetic programming < 1167451286 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's self-modifying. < 1167451326 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1167451350 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :redcode has a way of creating wonderfully elegant code. < 1167451355 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MOV 0,1 < 1167451368 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if the imp can be considered a quine? < 1167451376 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really. < 1167451395 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The binary version could be, though. < 1167451599 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooh... < 1167451604 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :string functions... that's cool. < 1167451642 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so like... each character reacts differently to other characters in other functions or something? < 1167451719 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda < 1167451881 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the basic idea is that everything is built around a stack- you push some parameters, then a reference to a function, and then do an "execute string" call. The function runs, with it's parameters sitting on the stack. If the contents of the string being used as a function is changed before it's "called" again, it may do something completely (or subtly) different < 1167451883 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION will expand on his object-oriented idea.
< 1167451903 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stack-based? < 1167451910 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1167451916 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like how Glass does functions -nod- < 1167451934 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seemed like the simplest way to make function calls. < 1167451939 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooh. < 1167451950 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The function call can be altered mid-execution? < 1167451953 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't realize that was how glass worked... heh < 1167451966 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well.. the parameters are sitting on the stack. < 1167451980 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I hadn't planned on that initially, but it's an interesting idea < 1167451985 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods.
< 1167452002 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might make it needlessly tricky to do self-modyfying recursion, though < 1167452118 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1167452203 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_e)I! (_o)O! (_e)i.(_o)o.?]} < 1167452217 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!i 2 Lol cat < 1167452226 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... >.< < 1167452231 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooh < 1167452241 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_e)I! (_o)O! (_e)i.?(_o)o.?]} < 1167452246 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!i 2 Lol cat < 1167452249 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1167452266 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be a cat program. -.- < 1167452270 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ps < 1167452282 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or... EgoBot isn't here? < 1167452298 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps it broke again < 1167452306 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to fix?? < 1167452320 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could summon my bot, but it only speaks brainfuck and doublefuck. < 1167452349 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... everything in Glass runs on a global stack... so function calls are basically the same as copying and pasting the functions code where the wall is... < 1167452374 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1167452379 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and since the language allows you to access data based on its location on the stack... functions can access the last bits of data on the stack and manipulate them like parameters < 1167452427 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It fits with the rest of the languages syntax... being postfix and all. < 1167452543 0 :ihope_!n=foo@cpe-071-075-186-016.carolina.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1167452557 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hits EgoBot with a hammer.
< 1167452564 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ihope < 1167452565 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1167452572 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought my best idea for my language was the datatype- everything is a string, and operators you'd expect to work with numbers deal with the first char in the top string. That way, everything on the stack can have the same type and you can use it for both math and function calls easily < 1167452587 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is egobot broken, gregor? < 1167452592 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah... I would have never thought of it. < 1167452596 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idonno, maybe? :P < 1167452607 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :string == function WTFerror < 1167452612 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1167452620 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1167452621 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm... < 1167452624 0 :EgoBot!n=EgoBot@c-24-22-56-63.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1167452626 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe linked lists as functions? < 1167452646 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be like strings... except higher-up... < 1167452656 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!undaemon cat < 1167452666 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, my earlier idea was to represent functions as stacks of characters, but it's not functionally all that different from a string depending on how your operators work < 1167452667 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of characters you have elements. < 1167452694 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah... it wouldn't be that different. < 1167452727 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Glass is kinda like that... since each character means something different. < 1167452733 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not -everything- is an item on a stack. < 1167452733 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ask you, television commercial, how do you dent your car when crashing into a tent? < 1167452761 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the concept is different. < 1167452844 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm... I've considered doing a queue-based language... or a deque-based lanauge (which is basically a cross between a stack-based language and a queue-based language) < 1167452861 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :double-ended queues are essentially stack-ques. < 1167452863 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :queues < 1167452868 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...meh < 1167452926 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :set-based language as well. :D < 1167452937 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol- I remember hearing stories about a CS professor that insisted "deque" was pronounced "deck" < 1167452960 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prenounce it "deek" < 1167452971 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just... don't pronounce it at all. < 1167452978 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's "Dee-kyoo" < 1167452988 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how I originally pronounced it. < 1167452993 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's like dequeue < 1167453000 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1167453044 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm... wonder if you could combined a set with a queue. < 1167453061 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though... the definition of a set specifically states "a collection of unordered elemenets" < 1167453084 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes storing code a bit problematic < 1167453094 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1167453109 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :associative-array-based language? < 1167453115 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooo... how about a language based around my favorite data structure? Hashes. < 1167453123 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most popular languages can be described as a stack and a hash table of some sort. < 1167453126 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1167453127 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suicide-note based language. < 1167453128 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :man, we're on the same wavelength < 1167453141 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hashes are pretty awesome. < 1167453152 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Destructive-Execute programming? :) < 1167453155 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lua's base data-type is a hash (called a "table") < 1167453169 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like cons in Lisp. < 1167453196 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm... it would be interesting to remove the stack from the picture... and just use -only- hash. < 1167453218 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you did it wrong... it would just be a series of variable assignments. < 1167453321 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plof's only stack is a stack of hashes (the scope) < 1167453350 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :object oriented is something like a hash-based system. < 1167453365 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking about it a while back, and I think you could build a UTM out of nothing but LET statements and computed GOTOs in BASIC < 1167453380 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since objects are typically just a hash with some rules for accessing a different hash when nessicary. < 1167453412 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, that idea is really a natural consequence of the Z3 turing-completeness proof < 1167453445 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(while-loop, variables, and the four arithmetic operators = UTM) < 1167453514 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pfft... < 1167453518 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while loops are so overrated. < 1167453526 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and overused. >.< < 1167453583 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A while loop is two ifs and a goto. < 1167453589 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm personally a fan of FOR...NEXT loops. < 1167453606 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wassat? < 1167453617 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1167453623 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like a for loop in Python? < 1167453633 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(iterators) < 1167453648 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for(int x=0;x<5;x++) {System.out.println(x);} < 1167453654 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ For...Next loop. < 1167453661 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah... yeah that's a for loop in Python. < 1167453671 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're speaking to someone who's never bothered to touch C. < 1167453694 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 FOR X = 0 TO 4 STEP 1: PRINT X: NEXT X < 1167453700 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :screw C < 1167453701 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O.o < 1167453711 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. < 1167453713 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use BASIC, PHP and Java to do my dirty work < 1167453714 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesn't like C.
< 1167453730 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm starting to warm up to Perl < 1167453732 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python... and... well just Python. But I also do a litle Scheme. < 1167453737 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl is kinda cool. < 1167453756 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only really dislike 3 languages: C, C++, and Ruby. < 1167453760 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't used it much... but I like the design concept... if a little unpredictable. < 1167453774 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C and C++ are inelegant, and Ruby is just a monstrosity < 1167453781 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C, C++ here < 1167453791 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ruby looks kinda cool... but I've never used it or looked into it much. < 1167453828 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C is one of those languages that sacrifices for the machine. < 1167453838 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's painful... Imagine an unholy mix of Javascript, Perl, and a little bit of BF. < 1167453840 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is partly why it's so common... because it's at the base of every OS. < 1167453864 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm... Ruby does look a little like a weird syntaxed version of Python and Perl. < 1167453876 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is, naturally, a fan of Python.
< 1167453906 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's reasonably powerful, but it's syntax is all over the place. It's like it was designed by three people independently and then superglued together < 1167453921 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not because of any grand design concept... or because it does a paticular thing well... it's just -really- easy to work with and generally does what you think it would do. < 1167453944 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't used python much, but it's syntax for working with strings is fucking brilliant < 1167453956 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which part? < 1167453966 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interpolation? < 1167453975 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the way you access substrings or specific characters < 1167453981 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slicing? < 1167453991 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hello World!"[0] ? < 1167453993 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that what it's called? < 1167454008 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be "H" < 1167454011 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1167454030 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah... that's called slicing or indexing... it's basically like arrays. < 1167454040 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same exact thing... actually. < 1167454094 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say my favorite language will probably always be BASIC, because of how it combines extremely friendly syntax and ease of use with ridiculous levels of power via PEEK(), POKE and CALL < 1167454118 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never used basic... but it doesn't seem popular. < 1167454134 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember it doing some weird context-based stuff with = < 1167454147 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus, if you're fluent in BASIC you can instantly do cool things with any old machine from the 80's < 1167454160 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a good idea for beginners.. but not too well for my tastes. < 1167454172 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python kinda reminds me of Lisp... in some ways. < 1167454194 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric := is used for both assignment and comparison in BASIC, but the way it's used almost never leads to problems < 1167454229 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah... but then you can't do things like x = y == 2 (which, honestly... isn't very useful... but it's still nice to have the freedom) < 1167454245 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :essentially, it solves the problem by making assignment done not by the = operator itself, but the LET statement < 1167454276 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LET x = 2? < 1167454288 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaah. < 1167454294 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x=y=2 in BASIC generally does the same as x=y==2 in other languages < 1167454312 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought more ambiguous when you read it. < 1167454328 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LET is an interesting command, because it's usually implied. If a line doesn't contain a command, it's assumed to be prefixed with LET. < 1167454339 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O.o < 1167454345 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird. < 1167454358 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, "10 LET x=y=2" is the same as "10 x=y=2" < 1167454391 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python's main design goal seems to be readability and ease of use. < 1167454399 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and both will store a boolean value (1 or 0, in BASIC's representation) representing wether y is equal to 2 or not to the variable x < 1167454443 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BASIC's main design goal is minimal memory use and the ability to function as both an interpreter and a rudimentary OS, much like FORTH < 1167454476 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a number of BASIC implementations that fit in less than 4k of ROM. < 1167454476 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python is OO at heart... but it has this weird conflicting idea of multi-paradigmism. < 1167454504 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen both "Python is an object-oriented language" and "Python supports multiple paradigms" as arguments for why something should be implemented into it. < 1167454540 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1167454550 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It basically works with multiple paradigms... while being object-oriented at the core. < 1167454582 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...which... isn't really what I would call being multi-paradigmed. < 1167454635 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BASIC sounds interesting... not sure if I'd like using it though. Might be cool. < 1167454644 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't it use sigils like Perl? < 1167454666 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have a device that runs PalmOS? < 1167454674 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1167454681 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn. < 1167454687 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python seems tons more consistent than what I've seen of C. < 1167454691 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C makes absolutely no sense to me at all. < 1167454696 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cbaspad, one of my favorite BASIC implementations runs on PalmOS. < 1167454724 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My other favorite, DarkBASIC, I can't really play with anymore because it's windows-based. < 1167454737 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C's semantics seems to change upon context... < 1167454749 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a really weird way. < 1167454751 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SmallBASIC is pretty nice- it runs on PalmOS, windows, and Linux. < 1167454801 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C just bugs me because it's obvious it was written by and for compiler writers, rather than as a clear or interesting way of expressing algorithms. < 1167454803 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like... function definitions are just... floating out in space with nothing defining them as such... and type declarations are kind of screwy and have different functions based on what other types are beig used. < 1167454836 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah... its design goal is totally different than what it's being applied to. < 1167454889 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which really frustrates me when I've been exposed to so many languages that are better designed. < 1167454898 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C's static typing also bugs me... but then again my first dive into programming was from within the comfort of a dynamically typed language. < 1167454946 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C maintains dominance in a circular fashion- applications are written in C because C is used to code other applications. Plus, it doesn't have a huge number of direct competitors. < 1167454972 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods.
< 1167454995 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes me wish there was some other language that was really good at being a "base language" that didn't suck quite so much. < 1167455020 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BASIC is weak-typed, but Java has taught me the structural value of strong-typing. I still really enjoy weak-typing when I'm doing simpler tasks in a language like PHP < 1167455027 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's some OS project being worked on with most of the source being in a Python implementation. < 1167455059 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a pretty interesting concept... orthagonal persistency and a weird memory layout. < 1167455078 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unununium_%28operating_system%29 < 1167455113 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: well, I've been slowly working on a project to try to build an operating system, and that's pretty much what I thought, so I'm researching modern compiler design. Hopefully, I can come up with something that combines the positive aspects of C with the design of better structured languages. < 1167455166 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe... an esoteric operating system? < 1167455182 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly. < 1167455191 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION will be your Python codemonkey.
< 1167455218 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, I hope that it will one day become something on par with commercial OSes and the offerings of the open-source community. < 1167455335 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm.. orthogonal persistence is a neat idea. < 1167455361 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uuu initializes the entire hard disk into the virtual memory... and manages it so that any changes to the virtual memory as saved to the hard disk. < 1167455368 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree- Uuu has some fascinating ideas behind it. < 1167455418 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes sense... why the hell are we required to use databases and persistence libraries to do something that could be handled by the OS? < 1167455653 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're talking to the person that thinks a kernel should consist primarily of a memory manager and an interpreter for a language that can serve in an interactive mode as a shell. :) < 1167455670 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1167455686 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the way uu did time. < 1167455694 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :solves the whole time problem. < 1167455771 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh- yeah, it works pretty well < 1167455876 0 :digital_me!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"night" < 1167456045 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION considers helping out uuu.
< 1167456108 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat, I'd love to do some crazy OS stuff... besides my totally lack of knowledge on how OSes are developed. < 1167456129 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But... I'm sure there's new ways it could be done... so eh. < 1167456293 0 :wooby!n=alan@ny-lancastercadent4g1-3a-236.buf.adelphia.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1167456315 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :operating system development is the grandest challenge out there in the world of commercial software development- if I'm going to do anything in the industry, that's what I want to build. < 1167456329 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...except a lot of the developers seem like total assholes. < 1167456336 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes. < 1167456341 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing annoys me more than grumpy coders. < 1167456349 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are strangely common. < 1167456357 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol yes < 1167456364 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man OS dev is such a boondoggle < 1167456382 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it generally happens when coders find themselves having to do administrative things. < 1167456387 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... I'm a reckless and overconfident n00b... so I'm up for it. < 1167456395 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :boondoggle is an excellent word. < 1167456405 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1167456427 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I think I need to get some sleep. G'night, guys. < 1167456444 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :goodnight < 1167456464 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1167456558 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is new and good in the world of esoteric programming technology < 1167456570 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1167456593 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got some ideas for a genetic-ish object-oriented programming language? < 1167456601 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds awesome < 1167456603 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are your thoughts? < 1167456605 0 :ihope_!n=foo@cpe-071-075-186-016.carolina.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1167456610 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly queue-based... or maybe double-ended-queue-based. < 1167456619 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or some other crazy-data-structure-based < 1167456625 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know much about genetic algorithms outside the few dewdney examples from however long ago < 1167456633 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me neither :P < 1167456639 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1167456655 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I know the basic concept of natural selection... which is basically all you need. < 1167456663 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes < 1167456668 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my hunch is that it's like neural networks < 1167456686 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps not < 1167456697 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was an idea tossed around briefly yesterday about a "spiderweb language" that worked kinda like a network of inter-related parts. < 1167456699 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'd imagine you'd need an algorithm that changed some property of whatever data structure you came up with < 1167456746 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1167456750 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well.. < 1167456765 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you ever thought of the idea of like < 1167456769 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a massive human powered computer? < 1167456780 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like individuals doing operations and timing is done with music or something < 1167456785 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A computer that eats humans? < 1167456792 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol no < 1167456809 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyways just a brainfart of mine < 1167456813 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds slow, cumbersome, inhumane, and inefficient. < 1167456815 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a programming language that simulated the design of such a thing < 1167456818 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed it would be < 1167456830 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooogh < 1167456890 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes < 1167456893 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on genetic algorithms < 1167456895 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know nussing < 1167456915 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This is Bob) picks up (this is block-Sue)/(This is Steve) gets Sue from Bob with (this is a hammer-Kim) < 1167456952 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a huge people metaphor. < 1167457086 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We should band the entire esolang crowd together to make an esoteric operating system. < 1167457112 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my... but what would the base language be? < 1167457120 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BF isn't powerful enough... < 1167457141 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be < 1167457146 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about a fullblown BF machine < 1167457158 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then an OS written in basic :) < 1167457456 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.... < 1167457466 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :writing a whole OS in BF would be mind-boggling. < 1167457476 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe a combination of a bunch of languages... < 1167457493 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :esoteric languages are all fairly small. < 1167457609 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1167457715 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure... we could put the whole lot of them into the OS... and somehow make the whole thing cohesive. < 1167457837 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has potential < 1167457862 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes yes, everybody's discussed this possibility. < 1167457931 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So let's do it. ^.^ < 1167457953 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fine fine, carry on. < 1167458436 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. < 1167458453 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where should we start? < 1167458458 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps informing everyone? < 1167458505 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the base languages should be BF, Befunge, Glass, and a bunch of otherones I can't think of right now. < 1167458591 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you should start with a good idea, like EsoOS or, oh, EsoOS, or that other EsoOS, or EsoAPI or PEsoIX, or ... < 1167458605 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :esOS? < 1167458802 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :esoos :D < 1167458828 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We could bring it up on the Wiki... and decide a name there? < 1167458851 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that could be a good start < 1167458857 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm... < 1167458869 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We could use a more modular version of BF. < 1167458873 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I considered the idea myself. < 1167458879 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like a functional BF... < 1167458926 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe... and we can ditch a filesystem... and the whole desktop metaphor. < 1167459202 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha... the entire OS could be a stack. < 1167459206 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a stack-based OS. < 1167459326 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH < 1167459370 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be represented as a infinite 2d grid... like befunge. < 1167459800 0 :cmeme!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1167459816 0 :cmeme!n=cmeme@boa.b9.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1167459843 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hola < 1167460138 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hits his head against a wall.
< 1167460223 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm? < 1167460715 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1167461145 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1167461289 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Esoteric_Operating_System < 1167461464 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cakeprophet: did you notice my comment that the A class in Glass seems to be broken? < 1167461526 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm... < 1167461531 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1167461568 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the programs hang on the . lookup command. < 1167461588 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least they did yesterday. < 1167461597 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_a)A!(_o)O! <2><2>(_a)a.?(_o)o.?]} < 1167461605 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait... I think EgoBot is ded. < 1167461608 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ps < 1167461612 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 oerjan: ps < 1167461615 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1167461615 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.... < 1167461659 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone should fix it before we implement Glass into our operating system. ;) < 1167461661 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_a)A!(_o)O! <2><2>(_a)a.?(_o)(on).?]} < 1167461679 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh... yeah < 1167461689 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_a)A!(_o)O! <2>(_o)(on).?]} < 1167461691 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why must the output be split by type? >.< < 1167461692 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 < 1167461734 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The OS will need a universal system for retrieving data from various programs. < 1167461739 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because Glass is not supposed to be easy :) < 1167461766 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think we should ditch the desktop metaphor... and the filesystem. < 1167461819 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Glass isn't all that hard once you get used to it. < 1167461823 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which takes about a day. < 1167464447 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird... < 1167464458 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My very first BF interpreter.... < 1167464469 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the Hello World program from the esolang wiki only prints out "Hello" < 1167464538 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf >+++++++++[<++++++++>-]<.>+++++++[<++++>-]<+.+++++++..+++.>>>++++++++[<++++>-] < 1167464539 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1167464561 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf >+++++++++[<++++++++>-]<.>+++++++[<++++>-]<+.+++++++..+++.>>>++++++++[<++++>-]<.>>>++++++++++[<+++++++++>-]<---.<<<<.+++.------.--------.>>+. < 1167464565 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello World! < 1167464585 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops. you didn't happen to copy only the first line, too? :) < 1167464616 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm... possibly. < 1167464626 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perhaps your interpreter breaks when encountering the newline < 1167464666 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't see why it would. < 1167464687 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't ignore non-command characters properly, say < 1167464692 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf >+++++++++[<++++++++>-]<.>+++++++[<++++>-]<+.+++++++..+++.>>>++++++++[<++++>-] < 1167464694 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<.>>>++++++++++[<+++++++++>-]<---.<<<<.+++.------.--------.>>+. < 1167464695 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1167464721 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's exactly what I put into my interpreter. < 1167464748 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it seems likely that it breaks at the newline in the program, then. < 1167464784 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :either because you don't ignore non-command characters, or because the interpreter only reads one line of input. < 1167464787 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EgoBot did the same thing... < 1167464812 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION points above.
< 1167464835 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's because EgoBot parses only one single line, which it pretty much has to do on IRC. < 1167464855 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh... yeah I forgot to get rid of the newline. < 1167464910 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf ++++++++[>+++++++++<-]>.<++++[>+++++++<-]>+.<++[>+++<-]>+..+++.++++[>++++++++<-]>.<+++++[>++++++++++<-]>+++++.<<.+++.------.<+++[>---<-]>+. < 1167464912 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello�� < 1167464914 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I can tell... it ignores them completely. < 1167464914 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woops < 1167464963 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happens in your interpreter if you replace the newline with a space? < 1167464963 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://deadbeefbabe.org/paste/3085 < 1167464978 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...nothing? < 1167464989 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh... what happens? < 1167464995 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, lemme check. < 1167465101 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it just hangs and does nothing... < 1167465154 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION figures out the problem with some breadcrumbing.
< 1167465239 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean you solved it? < 1167465266 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1167465274 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm... < 1167465282 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to have faulty while loop parsing. < 1167465323 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then why would it get Hello right? < 1167465377 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno.. < 1167465390 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made some changes to the source inbetween runs when I noticed a bug. < 1167465394 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could have messed something up. < 1167465401 0 :ivan`_!n=ivan`@wikipedia/ivan JOIN :#esoteric < 1167465416 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here;s the soure again... with a test run at the bottom < 1167465417 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://deadbeefbabe.org/paste/3085 < 1167465429 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The long line of commands is the symbol the interpreter was interpreting. < 1167465449 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to go on forever on the while loop. < 1167465474 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is something wrong with [, anyhow - it never skips the first iteration < 1167465489 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1167465554 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which it cannot because of the way parse is called - you cannot escape from the "for char in toparse:" in parsecode. that must be changed. < 1167465596 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1167465599 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1167465600 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1167465736 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyhow this problem cannot be why the Hello World doesn't work. < 1167465848 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't need to escape. < 1167465879 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :parsecode() calls parse() on each character in toparse < 1167465898 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it does, because a loop shall not be executed at all if the cell is 0 on the first try. < 1167465940 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooh. < 1167465987 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :may i suggest something like "while self.pos < length(self.code):" < 1167466000 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you make [ and ] adjust self.pos. < 1167466085 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got a spiffier and more elavorate solution. < 1167466098 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good :) < 1167466128 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using a coroutine. :D < 1167466136 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is something I've yet to have a chance to use. < 1167466455 0 :ivan`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1167466456 0 :ivan`_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ivan` < 1167466901 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1167466913 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, Not sure how to reliable tell where a ['s corresponding ] is. < 1167466928 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm... oh wait. < 1167466931 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION facepalms.
< 1167467046 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :got problems? < 1167467096 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm... just parsing problems. < 1167467132 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given the sequential order of parsing... I'm not sure how to reliably find the right ] to jump to. < 1167467334 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the elegant solution is to have a separate parsing and execution stage < 1167467362 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait - another method. < 1167467397 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have a flag that tells whether you are skipping or executing. < 1167467410 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I considered that. < 1167467424 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really like it... but.. eh < 1167467480 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you basically have to do _some_ non-executing parse at some step. < 1167467523 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then... < 1167467532 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem with that is nested []'s < 1167467564 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I tell it to... upon always finding "]"... change the "amparsing" flag to True. < 1167467591 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, you should use recursion for [] like with ordinary execution. < 1167467638 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the flag should be a method parameter, not an object property. < 1167467711 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it needs to be combined with the self.pos adjusting approach. < 1167468244 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh... I did some funky stuff to get it to work right. < 1167468264 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...provided it works right. < 1167468273 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw the same advice i just posted to Sphen lee on the wiki applies to you too: < 1167468297 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It requires infinite lookahead/backtracking if you compile in the same step as parsing, but that works only for the simplest languages anyhow. Instead parse into an AST, then compile that. Much more flexible." < 1167468346 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.....you want me to compile the AST of BRAINFUCK? < 1167468369 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is much simpler to handle loops if you reify them first... < 1167468402 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, compilation or interpretation, i was just quoting myself. :) < 1167468427 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really haven't figured out the difference. < 1167468446 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They both involving parsing to a more machine-readable set of opcodes. < 1167468536 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but getting the AST (before either compiling or interpreting it) is about getting the essential structure of your program, so you don't have to go do complicated text searches. < 1167468918 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either way... you're going to need to do some text searching to get the AST < 1167468921 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck has very little structure (only loops), but it is still that structure that is giving you problems. < 1167468943 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i meant back-and-forth searching. < 1167468959 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would I represent -single character commands- any more clearly with an AST? < 1167469001 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, needing more than just strings for those _is_ a bit annoying. < 1167469057 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No I mean. < 1167469066 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AST wouldn't help parse the syntax... because it's so simple to parse. < 1167469069 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's little just opcodes. < 1167469073 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :literally. < 1167469131 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, i got another idea. < 1167469180 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of a whole AST, use an initial parse to build a lookup table between matching []'s. < 1167469226 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... I'm sort of just using attributes to keep track of how the execution is going. < 1167469237 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not quite as fancy... but it gets the job done. < 1167469265 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus I'm not sure how to... do that. < 1167469309 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i may be spoiled by Haskell, which makes ASTs so easy... < 1167469352 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just use exclusively EgoBF and you'll be fine. < 1167469373 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregorR: seen my comment on the Glass A class bug? < 1167469480 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... I was going to build a BF interpreter so I could subclass it and work on a functional BF I've been thinking of. < 1167469525 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cakeprophet: do you have a paste of your updated interpreter? (and BTW does Hello World work now?) < 1167469549 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh I'm still working on it. < 1167469556 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1167469564 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass < 1167469567 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1167469735 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.. < 1167469775 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My functional BF was going to have two pointers... and have a way to split BF programs into subroutines. < 1167469789 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. would become a return statement of sorts. < 1167469812 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and , would be function input. < 1167469854 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean function call? < 1167469857 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but.... I'm not sure how useful a one-character return value would be. :/ < 1167469868 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no.. I mean , would represent whatever the functions input was. < 1167469880 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :parameters. < 1167469915 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh.. I'm still working it out. < 1167469950 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A BF program would be a "pile" of subroutines. < 1167469955 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps you could put parameters on the tape instead. < 1167469957 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a two-dimensional array. < 1167470000 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... I thought , would give the function more control over where the parameters ended up. < 1167470010 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus it fits nicely with the current syntax. < 1167470039 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A @ command would switch your "current" pointer to the other one. < 1167470112 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and & would call the subroutine that the "other" pointer is pointing to... using the "current" pointers cell as input. < 1167470158 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the tape would contain subroutines? < 1167470170 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh... it would be like a tape of tapes. < 1167470200 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a subroutine pointer and a multiple array pointers. < 1167470205 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a subroutine is code, so you would need to put code on the tapes, or at least code pointers. < 1167470216 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. < 1167470225 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a tape of tapes... a tape of subroutines... which are all tapes. < 1167470253 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reflective then, if you could access the source code directly? < 1167470304 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The subroutine pointer just points to the subroutine that will be called when you do a &... not sure if that makes it reflective or not. < 1167470326 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it would be interesting to make it reflective like you said... sounds kinda neat. < 1167470340 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'll have to change how it references other subroutines to do calls. < 1167470359 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_o)O!(_a)A!<2><2>(_a)a.?(_o)(on).?]} < 1167470380 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_o)O!(_a)A!<60><5>(_a)a.?(_o)(on).?]} < 1167470389 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EgoBot, you are _so_ borken :) < 1167470395 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ps < 1167470398 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 GregorR: ps < 1167470405 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_o)O!(_a)A!<60><5>(_a)a.?(_o)(on).?"foo"(_o)o.?]} < 1167470406 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm... < 1167470412 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aah... I see what you mean. < 1167470426 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll look at it tomorrow, I have to sleep. < 1167470444 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well good night to you. < 1167470445 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was sorta just thinking the code would just be normal brainfuck programs with some delimiter between them... but having it like a tape of tapes is cool. < 1167470496 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There could be two pointers on the big pointer... a subroutine pointer and a call pointer. < 1167470532 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the subroutine pointer points to whatever subroutine you're "editing"... and the call pointer points to the subroutine you'll call via the & command. < 1167470597 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so then... & by definition would temporarily move the subroutine pointer to the call pointer. < 1167470608 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something... < 1167470612 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn that's confusing. < 1167470718 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH < 1167470737 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ would swap the rolls of the "big" pointers. < 1167470765 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :current-tape pointer would swap places with function-to-call pointer. < 1167470804 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er... wait. < 1167470861 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damnit I'm confused. < 1167471025 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it would make more sense to just simply do &(subroutiine reference name) < 1167471034 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and be done with it :P < 1167471149 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, otherwise you need at least one tape whose contents represent points in the code < 1167471162 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that could be done in many ways. < 1167471192 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*contents or positions < 1167471249 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Having the subroutines on a tape would be the more BF-ish of the two. < 1167471270 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but... it makes BF infinitely more useful if it had subroutine reference names. < 1167471334 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh... it would be kind of postfix notation. < 1167471368 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :generally subroutines would manipulate the contents of the array behind them... if there are more than one manipulated cells. < 1167471375 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like an add function. < 1167471426 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just behind them? < 1167471431 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+>+++>&(add) < 1167471441 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would dump 4 into the third cell. < 1167471460 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there would need to be some sort of "protocol" for subroutines to follow if they intended to be re-used. < 1167471479 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be awkward in typical BF code for calls to occur before their data. < 1167471511 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by "before" I mean spatially before. < 1167471524 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>+>+++<<&(add) < 1167471526 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just doesn't seem right. < 1167471558 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then again... I've been doing a lot of Glass lately. < 1167471573 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe all that reversed subroutine calling has been fucking up my conceptualization :P < 1167471639 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in truth... Glasses subroutine calls are more accurately displated than in standard languages) < 1167471685 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arguments are always evaluated and pushed to the stack before their subroutine calls are. < 1167472379 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not always in Haskell :) < 1167472430 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :....how? < 1167472531 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell is a lazy language, so arguments may not be evaluated until they are actually used by the subroutine. < 1167472567 0 :ivan`_!n=ivan`@wikipedia/ivan JOIN :#esoteric < 1167473624 0 :ivan`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1167473624 0 :ivan`_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ivan` < 1167474176 0 :okokoko!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :oklopol < 1167477139 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good use for the start of the day < 1167477156 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :read everything talked in the 11 hours i slep < 1167477157 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*t < 1167479453 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is in nearly complete agreement.
< 1167479761 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not just here, i'm on over 50 channels :) < 1167479780 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(k i didn't read EVERY channel, but many) < 1167479788 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is no longer in nearly complete agreement :)
< 1167479823 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i couldn't even read that fast. < 1167479869 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought i might learn writing binary fast in ascii today so i'm making a stepmania with ones and zeroes < 1167479908 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't read every !glass (stuph...) DARNFUCK! < 1167480053 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do _not_ believe i used the f word. < 1167480160 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might not have, i don't think darnfuck is a word < 1167480185 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, i didn't read code that is indicated incorrect on the next line < 1167480229 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually some of that wasn't the _code_ being incorrect, but rather a bug in the interpreter. < 1167480251 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know, A < 1167480299 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anyways, i meant no use reading code when it's being further developed < 1167480309 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not generally, but in oneliners) < 1167482290 0 :jix_!n=jix@L61aa.l.strato-dslnet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1167483183 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Up, up, and away" < 1167484172 0 :ihope_!n=foo@cpe-071-075-186-016.carolina.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1167484187 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ihope < 1167488420 0 :anonfunc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1167489842 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does the thing work in freenode, if i should flood 500 lines of ososososososososososo here, would one of you get ops out of no where and kickban me? < 1167489849 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, i'm not gonna try < 1167490141 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then another mindboggler, can i make a regexp that... solved it but gonna say this anyway, it seems < 1167492759 0 :tgwizard!n=tgwizard@c-9b3ee155.178-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1167494084 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"reboot" < 1167494374 0 :pgimeno!n=pgimeno@124.Red-80-59-211.staticIP.rima-tde.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1167495097 0 :RodgerTheGreat!n=Rodger@c-68-42-107-2.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1167495106 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION waves
< 1167495367 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was looking at yesterday's logs- an OS written in BASIC would be fascinating < 1167496235 0 :Sph1nx!n=sphinx@89-178-13-182.broadband.corbina.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1167496401 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host81-158-88-90.range81-158.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1167497682 0 :Sph1nx!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"�� �������� ����!" < 1167497763 0 :Aardwolf!n=lode@dD5765115.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1167498558 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat, but but < 1167498617 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Esoteric_Operating_System < 1167498834 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would love to code shell scripts in befunge... well, I guess I already can < 1167498882 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh < 1167498893 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn weather < 1167498933 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1167498972 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If we had some hardware nerds we could even design our own assembly language. :D < 1167498997 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION indicates the INTERCAL microprocessor.
< 1167499011 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1167499488 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION considers the similarities between unununium and Smalltalk.
< 1167499545 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The main one, AFAICT, is that Unununium's meta-object protocol is crapper. < 1167499559 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OISC? < 1167499866 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am suprised that one hasn't been implemented. < 1167499895 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could get 3Ginstr/sec per core if it was < 1167499931 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what hasn't been implemented? < 1167499946 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OISC < 1167500210 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders, on average, the ratio of OISC instructions per x86 instruction in a typical program ;)
< 1167500235 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean there is no physical implementation of an oisc? < 1167500278 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so < 1167500302 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c'mon, people don't do that much multiplication. < 1167500306 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because for example the computer made in wireworld is an oisc < 1167500343 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oisc < 1167500345 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah! < 1167500350 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wireworld... that was crazy. < 1167500354 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oisc is a KING OF KENT < 1167500360 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION reads the story of virtudyne on the front page of The Daily WTF. Absolutely amazing story.
< 1167500365 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: heh < 1167500466 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you had a wireworld simulator... you could build a virtual computer. < 1167500502 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I guess it's not too surprirsing... the similarities between wireworld and actual electrical witing are very close. < 1167500520 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you see my paste? < 1167500529 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i pasted one here < 1167500542 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, a link to it, not the code < 1167500568 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can floating point arithmetic actually be done in OISC? < 1167500601 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, no < 1167500608 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION can't see a way that wouldn't be horribly long-winded
< 1167500612 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal, I'm sure it's possible... just don't know how easy it would be. < 1167500627 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure bitwise operations are terribly useful there < 1167500633 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could represent it with two integers possibly... < 1167500664 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true, that would be a lot easier < 1167500664 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i lost all my logs, been running two mircs, they overwrite each others logs < 1167500679 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i can't find it anymoew < 1167500680 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*re < 1167500682 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Python a floating point is implemented by a double in C. :D < 1167500745 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, I wouldn't want to be the person who has to write the logarithm function :) < 1167500789 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...yeah < 1167500804 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: It's assuredly possible. < 1167500808 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just a bitch. < 1167500993 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: It's a MOV machine. :) < 1167501016 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not an oisc? < 1167501028 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an OISC. . . < 1167501037 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just describing the specific type of OISC. < 1167501043 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's one instruction is MOV. < 1167501058 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Special registers allow for one to get use out of that. < 1167501124 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, i know how it works, so i didn't know why you told me that < 1167501170 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, either. < 1167501179 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coffee hasn't hit the bloodstream yet. < 1167501209 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :poor you :( < 1167501280 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.quinapalus.com/wi-index.html < 1167501314 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That one uses only one instruction set... but all the different registers react differently to it. < 1167501481 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, there is a wireworld computer around somewhere. < 1167501488 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has 64 6-bit registers < 1167501500 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OST, 12-bit < 1167501546 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can be found containing a program to calculate prime numbers. < 1167501571 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1167501582 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty sure that was it. < 1167501597 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1167501647 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: We were *talking* about that computer. -_-' < 1167501740 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I thought you were talking about one of the OISC machines. < 1167501770 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though he ww computer is an OISC machine too, but not the traditional SJM type. < 1167502155 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. that was the wireworld program i was talking about 2. that was the program simonrc was talking about < 1167502173 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the link < 1167502625 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define IMAGE_FILE_MACHINE_OISC 0x301 ;) < 1167502670 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"p0w p0w!" < 1167503196 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1167503543 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION defines behavior for IRP#irp
< 1167503668 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the irp-quine i saw here the other day, it's a bit cheatish, a quine should not read it's own source! < 1167503692 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not reading it's own source. . . < 1167503700 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just executing the source as defined. < 1167503886 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, well, that's philosophy, very hard to tell in this case :D < 1167503903 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heheh. < 1167504113 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK then... < 1167504267 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please say the following, first without quotes, then within quotes: "Please say the following, first without quotes, then within quotes:" < 1167504415 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, IRP seems to be down. < 1167504490 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please say the following, first without quotes, then within quotes: "Please say the following, first without quotes, then within quotes:" < 1167504500 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, have i told you you are a genius? :D < 1167504536 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go to IRP#irp < 1167504538 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tell that easily tho < 1167504539 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know, but someone around here promised to deify me for my shortened Glass quine. < 1167504554 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DD < 1167504559 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ye it was me! < 1167504579 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Malcolm Ryan declared me insane for my Unlambda interpreter in Intercal, which I took as a great compliment. < 1167504637 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i hear of intercal one more time, i'm gonna learn it < 1167504639 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: In #irp, we are working on giving IRP defined behavior. < 1167504764 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm wondering why the hell I can't get SSHFS to work. < 1167504871 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahah. < 1167504889 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fusermount, on Ubuntoids, is mode 700. < 1167505369 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ponders some way of representing hex as surreal haiku, to make it easier to recognise.
< 1167505372 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even remember (!) < 1167505479 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip72-200-73-175.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1167505614 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm... reminded me of "Yields falsehood when preceeded by its quotation" yields falsehood when proceeded by its quotation. < 1167505653 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC, oh... yeah that would be cool. Haikus always have a fixed number of syllables. :D < 1167505761 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obvious;ly multiple haiku would be needed < 1167505853 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could use the kigo to represent some sort of encoding? < 1167505858 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the "season" word) < 1167506141 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or... you could use all the craziness of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renga to construct various representations of numbers. < 1167506146 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a crapload of terminology :P < 1167506203 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, i was thinking of some silly way of doing it in English < 1167506204 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The haiku was based off of the opening stanza of a renga < 1167506244 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*was* < 1167506260 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in modern net culture, that is largely forgotten < 1167506280 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yah. < 1167506285 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Each haiku could be a digit. < 1167506298 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would work nicely... as three haiku stanzas would form a hex triplet :P < 1167506322 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-how- you calculate what the value is... will take some consideration. < 1167506388 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... a haiku has 17 syllables... and a hex number has 16 possible values. < 1167506418 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe certain properties of a haiku stanza make it either True or False. < 1167506426 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the hex value is the total of all the Trues < 1167506443 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the last syllable being some sort of metadata or something. :D < 1167506608 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be awesome... as a full three-stanza haiku would be a hex triplet... which would be a color. < 1167506617 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW POETIC < 1167506639 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of something that would be suitable for recognising hashes, fingerprints, etc, actually < 1167506666 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you do that? < 1167506677 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION isn't familiar with using hex to... recognize hashes and fingerprints.
< 1167506707 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of using a load of lookup tables to encode 4 hexits per stanza, maybe 8, in rather surreal text. < 1167506774 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm... < 1167506820 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So.. < 1167506830 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 or 4 hex values per stanza? < 1167506919 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could go with the length of each line. < 1167506932 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that tends to give you a lot of freedom in what you can write.. but isn't as cool. < 1167506950 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As its not the haiku itself that gives it a hex value... but the length of the haiku. < 1167506956 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...so it's not as nifty. < 1167507085 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am ont really concentrating on the decoding, mor the encoding < 1167507954 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm... < 1167507961 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :septidecimal numbers? < 1167508112 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been doing some thinking about a proper name for EsoOS, and the idea that popped into my mind was "Framework" < 1167508151 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION recommends that you make it an OS. :P
< 1167508800 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes to dinner
< 1167508876 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still recommend having a random factor.. so that each user has a unique os.. nobody can provide support < 1167508988 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1167509019 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps make the OS a basic system that provides core services, and then has esolang "modules" loaded to provide functionality < 1167509060 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could configure my system to run BF, DBF, SYNTHESYS, and perhaps Glass, while someone else could run BASIC and Befunge. < 1167509116 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the kernel would provide memory management, threading, a simple network stack, and a simple shell that can access modules as backends < 1167509168 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :turn on the computer, and it can run a series of startup scripts using hosted languages, before providing the user with an interactive interpreter of their choice. < 1167509169 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm... < 1167509183 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds good... no need for files either. < 1167509186 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just "modules" < 1167509189 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1167509210 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would of course require some sort of OS-level importing mechanism that would work in all interpreters. < 1167509218 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although files would be needed if you wanted to make it support PESOIX. < 1167509256 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!n=Rodger@c-68-42-107-2.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1167509257 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is working on a functional BF that's a bit more modular.
< 1167509273 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could use a PalmOS-style "database" system for storing user data and code on media < 1167509277 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION mumbles some disparaging remarks about wifi
< 1167509334 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat Let's do orthogonal persistency... and make it totally weird! < 1167509334 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weirdness + esotericism == good < 1167509334 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The kernel could represent memory as BF arrays. < 1167509357 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and access to it could use BF commands? < 1167509368 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we'd probably have to be resigned to the idea of recoding all the interpreters we wanted from scratch, so we can make our own executable format for modules. < 1167509385 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods.
< 1167509392 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would be the base language? < 1167509397 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to code all the interpreters. < 1167509418 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking more in terms of creating a useful OS, but we could try to build some kind of capability for filesystem abstraction, etc. < 1167509420 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1167509423 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a good question < 1167509444 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :our first step could be designing such a language and it's associated development kit. < 1167509457 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or just use C and a special library. < 1167509461 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gags.
< 1167509463 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blech < 1167509463 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO C < 1167509475 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The core OS, at least, would need to be in C. . . < 1167509491 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing *needs* to be coded in C. < 1167509503 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat_: You want it in D or ASM? < 1167509507 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just needs to be coded in something that ends up being machinecode. < 1167509524 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I want to build a new language for the express purpose of avoiding C. < 1167509538 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :esooslang :D < 1167509610 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Define some stuff. . . < 1167509628 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION will be back
< 1167509638 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think implementing the processor register as a BF array would be the esoteric way to do it... plus it's not terrible unuseful. < 1167509650 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1167509664 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfucks concept of memory storage maps fairly easily to a computer's main memory. < 1167509734 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, let's see... what does a low-level language need? < 1167509755 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :input, output, and something to move around. < 1167509779 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :memory allocation and deallocation, function definition < 1167509805 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a functional BF? :D < 1167509808 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that allowing inline ASM is an extremely bad idea, if we ever want to be able to cross-compile < 1167509828 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not familiar with what ASM is anyways < 1167509829 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :memory allocation in brainfuck: [>] < 1167509839 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose you could make it similar to BF, but we need a way to make the source a little more readable in general. < 1167509876 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using DefBF (functional brainfuck) would work nicely... it allows you to abstract BF to make it somewhat useful. < 1167509889 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an extension to BF. < 1167509894 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make it more useful. < 1167509939 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps set it up to use a reasonably conventional function syntax, so you could make calls like substring[x, a] or something < 1167509994 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :advanced looping constructs aren't that vital if we allow normal- and tail-recursion < 1167510039 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My first idea for my a functional BF just used named references to do function calls. < 1167510051 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the function would just start working with the current array. < 1167510061 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1167510065 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda like in Glass... except with an array instead of a stack. < 1167510091 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if you use an array properly, it can do the same things as a stack < 1167510097 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nod* < 1167510115 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there isn't anything inherently wrong with doing it that way < 1167510127 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my second idea, to make it more esoteric, involved a array of data and an array of subroutines... both having a pointer. < 1167510147 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1167510153 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that makes it harder to get the function you want... as the functions are referenced by a name and you have to move around a subroutine pointer. < 1167510171 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :might not be suitable for an environment where it needs to be good at something. < 1167510180 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't < 1167510186 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :referenced by a name ;) < 1167510188 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :typoz < 1167510195 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the most important thing to add to BF if it's going to be used for a large project is some syntax for loading other source files as libraries and comment syntax. < 1167510222 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't add anything to the actual language, but they add tremendous benefits in terms of organization < 1167510228 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh... the "ignore all non-commands" comment syntax works fine. < 1167510244 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an "import" syntax as well as functions could be done. < 1167510250 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :essentially you'd be giving it namespaces. :D < 1167510279 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorta... the manipulated data remains universal nomatter what. < 1167510305 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arguments to the functions would simply just be sitting on the array. < 1167510338 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :++>++>&(add) creates [2,2,4,0,0,0,0,0,0, ...] < 1167510373 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the exact mechanism for each function would differ.. but they would all follow some basic format. < 1167510443 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1167510456 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :RodgerTheGreat < 1167510525 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0,0,4, maybe? < 1167510545 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh... depends on if you plan on reusing those values. < 1167510564 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, there is the issue that BF tends to operate on values in a destructive manner < 1167510571 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you want it in-place... or do you want to create a new memory space? < 1167510581 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should have different versions of everything to be able to imply copying like in your example < 1167510587 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it's slower in bf < 1167510598 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nods* < 1167510610 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might want some way in the function definitions to specify wether your code will preserve the original operands. < 1167510650 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... if the functions are literally just executed like normal code... there's no way to disginuish operands from other memory. < 1167510658 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to think of this on both sides- how will the coder work with it, and how will the compiler work with it? < 1167510678 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One method is to have a (move) function for copying values into new cells.... which would be used extensively by functions so they don't have to destroy old values to get new results. < 1167510708 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that could be difficult to post-optimize < 1167510745 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1167510760 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about giving BF pointers> < 1167510761 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#rotates current value in the cell 13 places#%(rot13)+++++++++++++% #Main program ---># +++++++++++++++&(rot13) < 1167510791 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using some implied psuedo-syntax for now. < 1167510797 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can work out syntatical details later. < 1167510802 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rtg that sounded like a good idea < 1167510810 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make GOSUB and RETURN equivalents that take an argument from the current cell? < 1167510812 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :giving BF pointers? < 1167510819 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you could just have a call and a return < 1167510844 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :v=call, ^=return < 1167510849 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would you do binary operations? < 1167510851 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those being just jumps < 1167510858 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: For libraries, try BFM. . . < 1167510861 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly also have such a system for the BF array pointer, so that you could pop it from place to place and back quickly and easily < 1167510862 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course, you would need 64-bit < 1167510865 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(shameless plug) < 1167510905 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm... maybe a mix of glass and BF? < 1167510909 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of the BFM codebase would likely prove useful, although we'd have to modify it a bit to work efficiently in the new language < 1167510912 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1167510927 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the very least, it'd be a good way to quickly have a standard library < 1167510931 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'd of course want to rewrite the standard libraries. < 1167510957 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the core language would, in fact, make for a powerful way of operating in Brainfuck on this OS. < 1167510958 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use glass functions and stack pushes... but with BF syntax? :D < 1167510963 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we could take the BFM libraries to begin with, and then over time rebuild them to suit the new langage < 1167511010 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just like the idea of augmenting BF with execution and memory pointers. It seems like an elegant way to build structured code with BF < 1167511012 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fortunately, BFM at the moment has been designed to be language-independent. < 1167511025 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: I really like that idea. < 1167511061 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BFM would also allow for some pure-Brainfuck utilities in our language. < 1167511069 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/language/OS/ < 1167511070 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :take that basic idea, wrap it in a little syntactic sugar to make it programmer-friendly, and it sounds like we have ourselves a solid plan for a language < 1167511078 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good idea < 1167511110 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I've got to admit I like the idea of the whole OS being written in esolangs. < 1167511116 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm... not sure how it would work exactly though. < 1167511153 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like... how would you expand the syntax to make function calls take multiple arguments from multiple cells? < 1167511154 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by maintaining complete backwards compatibility and making it easy to simulate giving subprograms their own pristine memory space, the new language wouldn't have to abandon any existing BF code < 1167511170 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I'm thinking... < 1167511182 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :give me an hour or two, and I'll see if I can whip up a rough spec. < 1167511197 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently the closest one to be conceptually realized is to simply make the array universal for all subroutines... and have some sort of built-in command for copying values. < 1167511201 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone here have any experience in compiler design? < 1167511210 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1167511227 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tiny amount. < 1167511258 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think calamari has a decent amount of experience. < 1167511279 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright, I appoint myself and CakeProphet as language architects, and pikhq and calamari to the compiler implementation team < 1167511315 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd recommend asking him, though. ;) < 1167511323 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In glass having a universal stack works fine and doesn't make it hard to build working subroutines.... and by augmenting BF to have a quick way to copy values you can prevent the destructive nature of BF from destroying the coder's existing data. < 1167511390 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that a single tape will be fine, as long as we can call and return memory locations for the tape pointer < 1167511397 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then again... each-function-with-its-own-array works even cleaner... you just have to figure out how to make the syntax work easily. < 1167511426 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatcha mean? < 1167511431 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the big question is wether pointers should use direct or relative addressing. < 1167511446 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION prefers some idea of a two-dimensional array. . .
< 1167511448 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrugs* I'm a high-level junkie... I don't anything about that. :P < 1167511457 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More like, say, a stack of arrays. < 1167511467 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was my original idea. < 1167511474 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorta kinda. < 1167511477 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1167511493 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking of the memory layout as a single array for BF memory, and then a pair of stacks for function execution and the memory pointer < 1167511530 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Calls will be named right? < 1167511540 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can simulate giving functions their own tape pretty easily, and the whole idea maps to assembly pretty neatly < 1167511542 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1167511570 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Push a clear one on for a function, with the function's arguments copied onto the first cells. < 1167511581 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then alter add some form of import syntax... depending on how our memory is segmented (i.e. how we do file-like entities) < 1167511598 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1167511633 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did we decided we want to name this language? < 1167511637 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*decide < 1167511644 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_o)O! "lol"(_o)o.?]} < 1167511647 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1167511660 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've just been colling it "functional brainfuck" and "DefBF" < 1167511673 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DefBF it is < 1167511675 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bf>++[-<+>] < 1167511675 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1167511678 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1167511685 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It rhymes at least :D < 1167511704 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Def-BF to make it look less crowded. < 1167511724 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or Define Brainfuck if you're feeling verbose. < 1167511748 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Out of curiosity, what sort of OS architecture are we talking about on top of this? < 1167511763 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most likely something unique. :D < 1167511791 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to do the whole thing as a huge thought experiment. < 1167511796 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no Unix-like crap. < 1167511819 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How's about getting PESOIX as at least a basic sort of API? < 1167511842 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a lot of the inter-communication will be tuned directly into the architecture. < 1167511848 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least an inspiration of how to do some additional API functions, like, say, hard drive access. . . < 1167511861 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the "component" model of uuu... where there's no files and everything is on the same memory space. < 1167511878 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah... we'll need to tweak all the languages a bit for more access. < 1167511908 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we do orthogonal persistency... we might not even need hard drive access. < 1167511929 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_o)O! (_x)I! (_x)i.?(_o)o.?]} < 1167511938 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!i 2 Hello World! < 1167511943 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!i 2 \n < 1167511952 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ps < 1167511955 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 CakeProphet: ps < 1167511969 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think one should have additional functionality to the various languages via input and output. . . < 1167512003 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We could universalize the data... so languages can share data. < 1167512015 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything breaks down to numbers in the end... < 1167512090 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A BF program could theoretically make a Glass program run, print an output, and use that for input. < 1167512093 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using some sort of API. < 1167512120 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "filesystem" could be totally functional... < 1167512186 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Allow me to at least write a cat program for this OS. < 1167512193 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :each program is a "function" that's called with an input and returns an output. The output would be universal to all languages. < 1167512195 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ char < 1167512196 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in char < 1167512198 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while char { < 1167512201 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :out char < 1167512202 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in char < 1167512204 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :} < 1167512232 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably the shell will just call functions. < 1167512243 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically. < 1167512260 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If organizing names becomes a problem... we could do some sort of namespacing. < 1167512281 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not too complex... massive directory names have always annoyed me. < 1167512302 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_o)O! (_x)I! (_x)i.(_o)o.?]} < 1167512310 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!i 2 Lol < 1167512317 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!eof 2 < 1167512328 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1167512336 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sees one issue with that glass program. . .
< 1167512342 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No looping involved. < 1167512344 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1167512348 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_o)O! (_x)I! (_x)i.?(_o)o.?]} < 1167512351 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!i 2 lol < 1167512357 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually... I just forgot to call the input method. < 1167512370 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ps < 1167512373 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 CakeProphet: ps < 1167512399 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_o)O! (_x)I! (_x)i.?(_o)o.?]} < 1167512401 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ack.. < 1167512476 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_o)O! (_x)I! (_s)S! /<1> (_x)i.? "\n" (_s)a.?(_o)o.?\]} < 1167512482 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ps < 1167512485 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 CakeProphet: ps < 1167512490 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gmmm... < 1167512592 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the neat thing about the OS would be the universiality... it could basically tie all the esoteric languages together and make them work as a collective whole to do something useful. < 1167512646 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heheh. < 1167512693 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip72-200-73-175.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1167512761 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION pokes RodgerTheGreat
< 1167512795 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_o)O! "RodgerTheGreat, calamari's here."(_o)o.?]} < 1167512799 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat, calamari's here. < 1167512810 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!cat Whee. < 1167512813 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1167512818 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grr. < 1167512827 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!daemon cat bf ,[.,] < 1167512831 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!cat Wheee. < 1167512833 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wheee. < 1167512856 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1167512859 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!n=Rodger@c-68-42-107-2.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1167512860 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1167512865 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WELCOME BACK < 1167512873 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woo < 1167512879 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_o)O! "RodgerTheGreat, calamari's here."(_o)o.?]} < 1167512881 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat, calamari's here. < 1167512894 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!cat !cat works better. < 1167512897 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!cat works better. < 1167512902 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a nearly done spec for Def-BF < 1167512906 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1167512924 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: were you looking for me? :) < 1167512979 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah- interested in joining an exciting and challenging project? < 1167513001 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :oerjan_ < 1167513012 0 :oerjan_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :oerjan < 1167513018 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno.. I'm already working on such a project :) < 1167513061 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... this one is better... < 1167513065 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and more profitable. < 1167513106 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1167513146 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOR GREAT PROFIT! < 1167513184 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CODE OFF EVERY ZIG! < 1167513184 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm currently working on putting wikipedia and the scriptures on my ipod < 1167513193 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :writing the renderer now < 1167513203 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're discussing an OS written in Esolangs. < 1167513218 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't sound profitable to me hehe < 1167513356 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright, here's the first revision of my spec. < 1167513357 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://nonlogic.org/dump/text/1167512946.html < 1167513358 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat_, If the data of programs is universally accessible... an import syntax may not even be nessicary... a function call could just reach out to all Def-BF files. < 1167513379 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :take some time to read it over, and then we can discuss clarifications, changes, and additions. < 1167513390 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1167513396 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a good idea. < 1167513412 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ick.. need to clean my scanner.. that image looks horrible < 1167513429 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, some Def-BF compilers will exist for other operating systems, so it's probably a good idea to have an import statement in the spec. < 1167513505 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat_, Should we set imported functions in a namespace? < 1167513518 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still thinking about that < 1167513521 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure yet < 1167513532 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... other than recommending some syntax changes... I still need to figure out all this addressing stuff. I'm a noob at low-level memory stuff. < 1167513572 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we might do it like ReX, by calling all functions as Library.FunctionName[], with local functions called as just FunctionName[] < 1167513599 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's all this absolute address stuff? < 1167513609 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, that's how I remember ReX working... < 1167513628 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pointers have to be absolute addresses to be useful. < 1167513640 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :absolute is the opposite of relative < 1167513647 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1167513667 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never delt with memory allocation... < 1167513677 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :garbage collection for the win. < 1167513677 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, with absolute addressing, 0x00000000 would be the VERY first memory address on your machine < 1167513682 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1167513690 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1167513696 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :memory address... gatcha < 1167513699 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0x00000001 is the second, and so on < 1167513701 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to specify that? < 1167513726 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :relative addressing is like in redcode, where 0 would refer to the current address, and 1 would refer to the next < 1167513732 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With relative, 0x00 would be the current address. 0x01 would be the next, -0x01 would be the previous. . . < 1167513737 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1167513744 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1167513748 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like in Brainfuck. < 1167513775 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why a separate stack for the calls? < 1167513776 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But why do you need to specify absolute address? < 1167513784 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how would you know it? < 1167513796 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just the one array < 1167513804 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and relative addressing the primary reason that functional pure brainfuck would be really hard to code with, so we add pointer functionality < 1167513834 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except... I have no clue how it works now. >.< < 1167513838 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :call = jump to whatever is in the current cell, store the previous place < 1167513838 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: for the most part, the compiler will deal with and assign the absolute addresses < 1167513871 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it's the difference between making a jump in code, and a jump in memory location < 1167513884 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, no jump in memory location is needed < 1167513908 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't need anymore the pointer to where you came from < 1167513910 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I don't really like the spec all that much... it doesn't really resemble BF anymore. < 1167513927 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's bf with a jump < 1167513932 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the stack one has... stacks < 1167513948 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the advantage of memory location jumps is that we can make functions that can pretend that they have their own independent memory spaces < 1167513970 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, true < 1167513978 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think of it as "BF with pointers" < 1167514002 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but... by using variables and all really takes it a long ways from feeling BFish. < 1167514019 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just dislike the multiple stacks thing, but concurrency seems to need it < 1167514021 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't do a whole lot that's impossible with normal BF, but it makes it more possible to code in a structured manner < 1167514024 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that i think of it < 1167514050 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :constants could just be functions... < 1167514051 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION would rather see just BFM compiling to the low-level version. XD
< 1167514072 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: well, yeah- that's why both exist < 1167514073 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesn't like it at all... :/
< 1167514099 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, what does "constants could just be functions" mean? < 1167514123 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pure access to the nuts and bolts of the language, plus some nice features for less esoterically inclined coders < 1167514127 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat_: are you using @ notation? < 1167514146 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm... well, I use the @ character for something... < 1167514180 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :: resume execution from previous address < 1167514189 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1167514190 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example x=x+y, @y[@x+@y-@t+]@t[@y+@t-] < 1167514191 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you said stacks < 1167514220 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: ah, I see what you mean- no, not currently < 1167514221 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming % means "start definition" and "end definition"... %(lol)[-]+++++++++++% would be the same as a constant. < 1167514251 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat_: it does a lot to make it easier to code in BF, but can be easily converted to pure BF < 1167514261 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :source ^stdcons.bfm < 1167514265 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :giving functions scopes, returns, and arguments makes it look more and more like C-based languages. < 1167514267 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :consfoo bar : baz < 1167514268 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I agree... < 1167514270 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err that program is flawed < 1167514270 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1167514281 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@y[@x+@t+@y-]@t[@y+@t-] < 1167514283 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go < 1167514325 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may revise the syntax to use that notation, if it's a common way of expressing BF algorithms already < 1167514328 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For calamari's suggestion, I could just rewrite the "goto" proc in BFM, and automagically port every BFM program. < 1167514339 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1167514344 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that Easel, ESOapi or the like would be used for the os < 1167514360 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking PESOIX. < 1167514361 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat_, Wouldn't a global scope, and literally just substituting functions into the source be just as effective? < 1167514370 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you wouldn't have to change bf at all < 1167514372 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: That'd be a macro system. < 1167514396 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It achieves much of the same effect. < 1167514426 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :runtime macros like that are much less bf < 1167514427 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ish < 1167514430 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afk.. continuing my project < 1167514431 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: yes- I would like to use global scoping, but I think a basic returning system would be a good idea < 1167514453 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat_, What is there to return if it's global scope? < 1167514475 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to continue the code < 1167514480 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not return a value < 1167514506 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a "break"? < 1167514512 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1167514513 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a return < 1167514516 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to break out of the function? < 1167514520 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1167514556 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure you'd need that if you do functions right. < 1167514557 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a nice intercal reference? < 1167514574 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's effectively what the current "return" statement does- you can optionally use it to pass a specific pointer back to where the function was called from < 1167514602 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you already know where the function is operating in memory, you don't need it to pass back a pointer < 1167514646 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the value of pointers is that they allow the compiler to arrange memory and code however it determines is the most efficient, without having to modify hardcoded values < 1167514649 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why pointers? Global scoping does the same thing as pointers. < 1167514688 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in an interpreted language, they aren't very important. In a compiled language, they're extremely powerful. < 1167514708 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe the word "pointer" is just invoking images of C. < 1167514713 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1167514725 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I imagine it does. < 1167514735 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we could go the Java route and call them "references" < 1167514749 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We could just call them.... cells? < 1167514761 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cell references. < 1167514764 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the same thing. < 1167514793 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :call them cell indexes < 1167514805 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1167514810 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reference has an abstactionish feel to it < 1167514820 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*abstractionish < 1167514843 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright, in the interest of avoiding any painful allusions to C, we will call what were previously referred to as "pointers" as "cell indices" < 1167514856 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I mean... how does using pointers and scopes make the language more efficient than a global array that simply takes the nearby cells as parameters? < 1167514870 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh... cell indices doesn't sound nice either. < 1167514884 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what then? < 1167514885 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1167514890 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION grumbles.
< 1167514907 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Call them fish bowls. < 1167514915 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a global array with no scoping OR pointers means that code can't be arbitrarily re-arranged without breaking it. < 1167514924 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor can memory. < 1167514932 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whatcha mean? < 1167514948 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, they CAN, it's just nontrivial, and adds needless complexity to the compiler < 1167514966 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :....but it seems simpler. < 1167514984 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's say your program assumes a memory model like [A][B][blank][blank[C] < 1167514994 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a universal strip of memory... no referencing... and calls just substitute the functions definition into the code. < 1167515001 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you add a function to make use of the blanks... < 1167515016 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[A][B][D][E][C] < 1167515049 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, if a new function requires memory, it has to know these chunks are all full, and know how to get from it's own areas of memory to existing ones. < 1167515052 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, are you talking about a runtime substitution? < 1167515061 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the alternative with pointers... < 1167515072 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrugs* nothing detailed... just "sbustition". < 1167515087 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm talking in vague terms... it would have the -effect- of being substited. < 1167515094 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{area1}[A][B]....{area2}[C]....{area3}[D][E] < 1167515098 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :runtime substitution wouldn't be very brainfuck imo < 1167515105 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know the specifics of how compilers do things < 1167515124 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, it doesn't matter where these areas are in actual memory, just that they have references to one another's locations < 1167515141 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Glass would be a good example of this kind of universal stack... with functions that are still just as useful. < 1167515163 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat_, Maybe I'm just not used to working at a low level. < 1167515171 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, runtime would be very non-brainfuck and compile-time would be idiotic < 1167515172 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think of the memory of a BF array being literally.. side by side. < 1167515180 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that could be it < 1167515258 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess what I'm trying to get across is just that having something like a pointer makes it a great deal easier for the compiler to do it's jobs without the programmer having to know the precise memory layout of the entire machine < 1167515306 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, changing the need for memory in one place would affect every single function in the whole computer < 1167515308 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat_, hmmm... oh... this is for the machine's memory array? < 1167515309 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a complication that you run into in the process of creating very large or memory intensive programs in BF < 1167515314 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1167515355 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah... yeah, this is definetely going to need to be geared to a more lower-level application. < 1167515368 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do wish it were less memory-related. :/ < 1167515372 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with pointers you could have virtual memory and stuff much easier etc. < 1167515390 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, the compiler could allocate small things in virtual etc < 1167515422 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: making a two-stage compile system might be a good way to do this- you can compile high-level code (or any alternate version thereof) into the basic Def-BF language, which can then be compiled into machinecode < 1167515423 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really have -no- esperience with memory allocation. < 1167515450 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, I'm a Java coder myself. < 1167515467 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can we at least make the statements one-character? :D < 1167515475 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BF just doesn't look right with whole words in it. < 1167515496 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well.. obviously we need function names in the code. < 1167515507 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the operations should all stick to the one-character commands. < 1167515518 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the statements in the low-level version *are* one character. If you don't want words, you could easily create your own abstraction of the basic language < 1167515544 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole point is just to standardize the basic version, and then allow abstractions to grow as needed < 1167515608 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only non single-character command is ?, which is entirely unnecessary aside from aiding in compiling to machinecode- don't use it if you don't want to < 1167515625 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about "define" and "return"? < 1167515632 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and function calls taking variable arguments. < 1167515642 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a huge step away from BF-style programming. < 1167515647 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1167515649 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are high-level abstractions layered on Def-BF. < 1167515650 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are just abstractions of @/: and #/; < 1167515651 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you allocate manually < 1167515659 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or? < 1167515688 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you aren't gonna put in functions(with,arguments) or smth like that are you? < 1167515691 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pure Def-BF itself is just +-<>,.[];:#@ < 1167515709 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION feels much better now.
< 1167515719 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought return and define were -statements- < 1167515730 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything in the spec under "High-level programming" is just a convenience to programmers < 1167515757 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of those statements translate directly into a series of +-<>,.[];:#@ < 1167515760 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should show examples of what it would look like in the actual code. < 1167515778 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess code examples are the next step. < 1167515786 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll do some work in that vein < 1167515791 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and... do we need comment syntax? < 1167515805 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the programs are in the same memory as memory, right? < 1167515809 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's worth having, but once again that's just part of the abstraction < 1167515827 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that you can dl programs etc :) < 1167515840 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: not sure we can assume that, but that's most likely how it'll be on a real machine < 1167515849 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck Von Neumann. >:D < 1167515851 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given the small nature of the command set... it seems the ignore-all-non-applicable-commands would work fine and be just as readable. < 1167515877 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like I said, comments are just part of the abstraction- not the core language < 1167515880 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how could programs be added without programs being in the same memory? < 1167515891 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah... all this abstraction syntax is confusing me. :P < 1167515917 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: then just ignore everything under this line: "High-level programming:" < 1167515932 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will do. ;) < 1167515938 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1167515939 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION found that part the most sickening.
< 1167515966 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is happy now.
< 1167515997 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :essentially, just think of @ controlling the program counter and # controlling the BF memory pointer < 1167516013 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1167516021 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what's the /? < 1167516028 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing. < 1167516036 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in english, it means And OR < 1167516044 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is how I was using it < 1167516053 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooh. < 1167516055 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looked confusing. < 1167516084 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ works in tandem with : and # works in tandem with ; < 1167516090 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods.
< 1167516095 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes a lot more sense now. < 1167516101 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :excellent < 1167516116 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thought all the pointer stuff was going to muck-up the brainfuckiness.
< 1167516123 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it doesn't really. < 1167516124 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, are we all happy with at least the spec for the low-level version? < 1167516157 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm... yeah the spec works. ^ seems like a more descriptive command for : thought. :D < 1167516165 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not going to touch the high-level version, so, yeah. < 1167516165 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :: is kinda like a "return" right? < 1167516171 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1167516179 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought so. < 1167516186 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't really expect you to, pikhq. ;) < 1167516213 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll need to figure out how # and ; work specifically... but I get their function now. < 1167516226 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, how do you do argument copying with the high-level version? < 1167516232 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*low-level version < 1167516238 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the high-level spec is just how I'd like to build a metalanguage out of Def-BF. < 1167516273 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: assuming I understand what you're asking, you can still do it how you'd normally do it in BF. < 1167516304 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, "if a function call includes parameters, these pointers < 1167516305 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are copied to the first x cells of the memory location specified < 1167516305 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the compiler." < 1167516312 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1167516315 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does the low-level do that < 1167516318 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# would be argument getters. < 1167516322 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :methinks. < 1167516323 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't know about argument < 1167516328 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1167516331 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course < 1167516337 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be a normal BF cell-to-cell copy < 1167516347 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but with absolute addresses? < 1167516359 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just uses pointers to locate the source and destination < 1167516371 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing ; simply copies the altered value back to where it was taken from. < 1167516399 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@[-;+@]; << like that? (i forgot the symbols :)) < 1167516422 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only one @ < 1167516439 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go back - [do things] - com back < 1167516443 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, something like that, except @ should be # < 1167516451 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1167516485 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm... < 1167516491 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't it need a name though? < 1167516508 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do @ and # know where to go? < 1167516512 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, just a value representing a location- the absolute address < 1167516513 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was argument copying from the main program memory to function memory < 1167516522 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: that's what the stack is for < 1167516535 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah.... the value in the current cell represents the address? < 1167516549 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you do a @, it pushes the old location onto a stack. When you : back, it pops off the old value < 1167516556 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a GOSUB... RETURN < 1167516576 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with absolute addresses, it's possible to allocate and "infinite" bit of the tape for every function right? < 1167516593 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is the "old location" specified? < 1167516599 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as the functions need to know. :) < 1167516601 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they can be moved around as needed etc if the address is absolute < 1167516611 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1167516613 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.... wait I think I get it. < 1167516631 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cell value represents the address of the function to call? < 1167516642 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the high-level version ought to have some way of specifying how much memory a function uses, so that the compiler can allocate memory sensibly < 1167516651 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: yes < 1167516668 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that address value will be replaced by whatever the function returns? < 1167516679 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: OR, the address of the memory location to go to, depending on wether you're using @ or # < 1167516695 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: you're confusing yourself with the high-level version again < 1167516696 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION isn't familiar with the low-level aspects of a function call.
< 1167516724 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the low-level version of the language doesn't explicitly *have* functions, it just has mechanisms for implementing them < 1167516732 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :++>++>@ ---- (here the retriving of the arguments... how?) < 1167516747 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in low-level < 1167516753 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat_, Which is why I'm confused... I don't know the low-level mechanisms. < 1167516756 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you call a function? < 1167516770 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, it's the stack-way < 1167516772 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in glass < 1167516791 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except... getting arguments is different. < 1167516800 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it? < 1167516802 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I guess it'd require knowing an absolute memory address to call in the first place < 1167516806 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get how to call them now... < 1167516814 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... the functions all have different scopes... < 1167516814 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is what could make coding in pure low-level problematic < 1167516821 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : meant the absolute address < 1167516823 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Glass the functions just pick up values from the stack. < 1167516843 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: oh, I see < 1167516866 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakePropher, the scope is the fact that you can push() in the stack even in the sub without altering main program data < 1167516887 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you'd want to either make the function call copy the arguments to the function's memory, or pass it (copy it) a reference to the location of those arguments < 1167516888 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see an assembler-book :) < 1167516905 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, of course, do the argument sending in the main prog < 1167516911 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1167516911 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...as in assembler actually < 1167516914 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :precisely < 1167516920 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :absolute addressing seems like it would be difficult to work with once you start using Def-BF away from memory allocation. < 1167516921 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the whole idea. :) < 1167516944 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps there should be two different languages? One for the memory manamgement and another more usable, low-level form for more application-level stuff? < 1167516969 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be the. . . high-level language. < 1167516978 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :absolute addressing would get confusing when you get out of the context of memory management. < 1167516981 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: well, yes. That's what the abstractions are for. You can also make the executable format make all the absolute addresses relative, and convert them when the app is loaded into memory- that's how normal OSes work < 1167516992 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the high-level language looks more like C than Brainfuck. :o < 1167517022 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't necessarily have to- as long as the base language is the same, you can abstract it however you want < 1167517050 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could make your own abstraction that looked like glass or Python < 1167517068 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1167517077 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's syntatic differences... < 1167517094 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant... the high-level version syntatically reminds me of pretty much all c-based languages. < 1167517115 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(memory allocation function provided by the os here)@<<++[->>@+;<<]>++[->@>+<;<]>(find the add-function's address somehow)# < 1167517118 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like that? < 1167517122 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2+2 < 1167517125 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :=4 < 1167517132 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's because I want *my* abstraction to look like Java to some extent, and it's a curly-bracket language < 1167517153 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ i meant as the memory jump < 1167517158 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that would work, oklopol < 1167517160 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# as the program execution jump < 1167517162 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay... so is the high-level version going to use the same syntax? < 1167517164 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1167517180 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, you can make your own high-level < 1167517190 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...how? < 1167517199 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it's converted to bf anyway... or? < 1167517220 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we all just agree on the low-level language, and then we make our own "compilers" to turn our abstractions into the low-level code < 1167517223 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, isn't the high-level just a way to write it nice, but insert as brainfuck? < 1167517228 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ye < 1167517238 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm talking about syntax differences... where in the specification does it let you alter the syntax? < 1167517257 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the OS can of course have a function that does high-level -> low-level < 1167517282 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, basically the high-level is just a standard way to make programs in a nice manner for the OS < 1167517291 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think < 1167517294 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i right? < 1167517306 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> I thought we were just going to use esoteric languages to make the OS? < 1167517309 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, nice for the programmer < 1167517317 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, the OS runs ONLY bf < 1167517318 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C-look-alikes that convert to brainfuck isn't what I had in mine. < 1167517323 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DEF-BF < 1167517368 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is only an abstraction, anyone can make one for themselves, but it's te core brainfuck of Def-BF that is used by the OS < 1167517384 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1167517390 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :intel uses binary, but you write in python, CakeProphet < 1167517414 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the same not anyone might wanna write everything in bf < 1167517438 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm... < 1167517461 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright... I understand. < 1167517467 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i like about this, the increment-system makes it O(n) to even do addition (unless done bitwise reducing to O(logn)) < 1167517490 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1167517493 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so an irc client might have a hard time ponging the ping in the right amount of time in a concurrent system :) < 1167517511 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exaggerating tho < 1167517514 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, in theory the Def-BF->Machinecode can improve that a bit < 1167517529 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*compiler < 1167517549 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah... no need to do one-by-one transitions. < 1167517559 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the compiler can just convert it to specific instructions. < 1167517580 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but on the programmers end it's good ol' BF. < 1167517586 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with... some funky changes. < 1167517588 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1167517599 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, i hope the bf is only converted to machine code when running? < 1167517620 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no executable files etc (unless needed for the OS of course) < 1167517643 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends- we might use Def-BF to write the kernel and bootloader, in which case it'll need to become Machinecode eventually < 1167517654 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like a more friendly abstraction of def-bf that still looks like def-bf for making new stuff... < 1167517655 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it can be used both ways < 1167517671 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like with names instead of memory addresses. < 1167517679 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like the first idea I had for def-BF. < 1167517710 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be pretty simple to make the @-notation system calamari suggested as an alternate abstraction < 1167517721 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no names in the def-bf code, not good, but you can have OS functions that switch string->address < 1167517729 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods.
< 1167517735 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant... as an alternate language of sorts. < 1167517757 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I don't have to fool with memmory addresses with higher-level stuff I might want to play around with. < 1167517772 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION will do that himself though.
< 1167517795 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw is someone able to actually make a computer boot into their own os? < 1167517823 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunoo... I'm just having fun writing it out on paper. < 1167517859 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the high-level is merely a tool, it's not important to have it until something big is done imo < 1167517875 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use OSKit or that other one that's like OSKit but more up to date. < 1167517880 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... even for small things it's nice to... not-have-to-fool-with-memory-addresses. < 1167517917 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR can you link? < 1167517919 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was figuring we could use Def-BF to write the OS itself, with a bit of pure ASM to build the bootloader and such < 1167517924 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can google of course < 1167517930 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point of an OS is to manage memory addresses for us... so naturally an abstraction of the core language is needed to continue to make things easier. < 1167517935 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: There's a good one on SF, the name of which eludes me X_X < 1167517968 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k, i saw one once but it went offline before i managed to dl it < 1167517969 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless it's easier than having to remember numbers.... < 1167517977 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't have to < 1167517990 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I understand correctly... def-BF doesn't have a concept of assignable names. < 1167518005 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is mainly what I would add to it. < 1167518015 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :outside of memory management < 1167518016 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the core language doesn't, but the abstraction does. < 1167518023 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods.
< 1167518035 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I meant... should I decide to abstract it... that's what I abstract it with. < 1167518053 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :function names.... pretty much. < 1167518071 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+>++>[-]<<<(address of an OS funtion that swaps string->address)# <<< and you have called the function with the name \0x1\0x2 < 1167518086 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you see what i mean? < 1167518106 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the code must not depend on neither addresses of functions nor their names < 1167518119 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, can be names if done like that in low-level) < 1167518140 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you haven't called, sorry < 1167518154 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have "gotten" the function in that memory space < 1167518159 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then do another # to call it < 1167518172 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+>++>[-]<<<(addr)## < 1167518189 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the address there can be a constant since it's an OS function < 1167518196 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda like an interruption < 1167518198 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in asm < 1167518220 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh.... unfortunately I didn't understand any of that. < 1167518236 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn low-level.... < 1167518274 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, before call, memory is like [(address of the OS func),1,2], after the call to the os func [(address of the \0x1\0x2 func),1,2], in the end [whatever the func returned,1,2] < 1167518303 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tho one might want to change 1 and 2 to something sent to the function, and actually send them < 1167518309 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope someone understands me? < 1167518324 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got it... just not sure how that lets me do string names. :P < 1167518326 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe I'm following you so far < 1167518343 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd need an entire BF array to do a string name. < 1167518344 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, this is very basic, for an OS it's the compulsory depth of lowishness imo < 1167518353 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1167518356 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's done by the os < 1167518376 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the os function expects a null-determined string after the point at which it is called < 1167518380 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...and how does the program send the string name to the OS function? < 1167518388 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there you have \0x1\0x2 < 1167518431 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can have nice names in the high-level -functions and you can access them in other programs too because you store and retrieve the name with os functions < 1167518449 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, store the name, retrive the address < 1167518452 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like < 1167518498 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :++>++>%(add) ...how would my language interpreter... written in def-BF... transfer "add" to this OS function without doing something like (OSFunc, "a","d","d") < 1167518502 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the absolute need not be converted to relative because i believe this isn't brainfuck but Def-BF, which supports absolute? < 1167518504 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right? < 1167518562 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, your high-level would've changed the "add" into a code that assigns ["a","d","d"] into the memory and calls the necessary OS function for name->address < 1167518579 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then taking the returned address of the program executed < 1167518602 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right... but it would need to use up a whole array, right? To ensure that it can take a string of variable length and store it. < 1167518604 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Def-BF, am i right in saying this is a new language that extends BF a little for us? < 1167518622 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, no arrays in BF < 1167518628 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1167518630 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1167518634 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a few preceding cells < 1167518637 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION 's head implodes.
< 1167518640 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that are needed < 1167518652 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can you not have an array in BF? < 1167518689 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can you represent a string in BF by any other means than multiple cells of characters? < 1167518694 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can, but it will just be the knowledge the next n cells are used for one var < 1167518705 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :null-determination prolly < 1167518707 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :easiest < 1167518742 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or [length,char1,char2,etc] < 1167518744 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm... alright. < 1167518751 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :null determination would be better. < 1167518758 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes string mutable-er. < 1167518759 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume you understand i'm just representing a part of the main array python-tsyle? < 1167518761 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*st < 1167518771 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. < 1167518778 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good. < 1167518808 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just going over in my head how I would use Def-BF to write a new interpreter for an abstracted version of it. < 1167518824 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah, been wanting to ask that < 1167518845 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the OS need to be writed in Def-BF too? i was thinkin it just ran it :\ < 1167518894 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're going to implement a bunch of esolangs as core languages. < 1167518895 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't *need* to be written in Def-BF, but it'd be nice if we could do that. < 1167518897 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to write all the OS stuff. < 1167518930 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean a normal c++ (or python or whatever) program that is the "OS", having an array of programs running and their memory pointers, running them one by one < 1167518940 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the kernel is designed for universiality in mind... allowing the core languages to interchange data should be a breeze. < 1167518972 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Def-BF is an example of taking a canonical Esolang (BF) and extending it to be powerful enough to do the jobs of an OS. We could similarly extend other existing Esolangs to have these capabilities if we felt it necessary < 1167519001 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like esoos to be a big mass of esolangs working together. :D < 1167519028 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, we know for a fact that everything higher than kernel-level will be coded in an esolang. < 1167519034 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with Def-BF being the base for memory management and constructing some simple interpreters. < 1167519039 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd say we make the memory allocation etc in a "normal" language and then start making OS modules in Def-BF < 1167519044 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh :D < 1167519047 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then :D < 1167519052 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how the kernel will break down remains to be seen < 1167519061 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Def-BF was designed to be for memory management. < 1167519065 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think. < 1167519065 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the kernel need not that many operations < 1167519072 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1167519147 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm thinking now of an only-Def-BF computer, that has been coded in two layers, c++/such, then esolangs for modules like virtual memory management, Def-BF being what actual programs are written in, am i right in this? < 1167519187 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We were mainly using Def-BF so that we didn't have to use C or its variants. < 1167519194 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C is yucky. < 1167519201 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you wanna use both hard-disk and ram without breaking off the "one tape for everything" principle < 1167519206 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1167519213 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and shouldn't even be a major part of an esoteric operating system. < 1167519260 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: universally contiguous memory is a major design goal < 1167519262 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a little confused still, k, can i use in this OS a program i use on my computer now? < 1167519290 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm... dunno. < 1167519296 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but can be cut anyway we want in reality because Def-BF doesn't do everything relatively? < 1167519298 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We haven't discussed portability yet. < 1167519324 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, because i'm thinking the computer only runs brainfuck < 1167519331 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it depends on how we decide to build the kernel. < 1167519352 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah... it can run more than BF. < 1167519363 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the kernel itself is written in Def-BF, there will be a single tape and Def-BF will be used to host all the other language interpreters, in a sense < 1167519380 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as i described before, array of "processes" where a process is two arrays (@; & #:), program pointer and a memory pointer < 1167519389 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what the base-base language is... but Def-BF will be for the kernel and consttructing interpreters and some other super-low-level stuff. < 1167519391 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but one way or another the OS will support a number of esoteric languages < 1167519397 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and each is run one step sequentially < 1167519439 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will, because the first thing to do is to write interpreters in Def-BF < 1167519453 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1167519471 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well as a standard library of some sort. < 1167519472 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, i'd say Def-BF is kinda like asm of normal computers < 1167519508 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't see why it should be the core language for PROGRAMMING the OS... even if that was it's original purpose :D < 1167519525 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd agree with that idea < 1167519530 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wishes there was a named variant of def-bf that could be used for easier construction of a standard library.
< 1167519550 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it shouldn't... the OS should be programmed by esoteric languages in general. < 1167519570 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be trivial to compile such a language into Def-BF proper, which is probably how it'll be done < 1167519578 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We just needed an extension to BF to make it a bit more useful. < 1167519613 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true, things like brainfuck -> faster code are done on the fly i thing, they are coded in esoteric languages < 1167519619 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see Def-BF as being used to write the bulk of the OS, and other languages being used to write all the utilities and applications necessary to make it a complete system < 1167519642 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bulk of the OS? < 1167519651 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by OS, I mean the kernel < 1167519652 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you specify? < 1167519655 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1167519717 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kernel does what exactly? (i'm really that stupid, yes :)) < 1167519740 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :managemes memory, performs software-to-hardware transactions and disk writing. < 1167519764 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :among other things. < 1167519773 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and coordinates the inter-operations between other software < 1167519798 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh... and it handles processes. < 1167519809 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YEAH. < 1167519814 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(caps lock) < 1167519821 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heheh < 1167519834 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was my idea of the processes a little correct? the array thing < 1167519847 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because imo that's all you need for bf < 1167519848 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure. < 1167519881 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would need to be more powerful than that. < 1167519881 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it could work < 1167519903 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if you do things like +++++ -> 5, if we use bignums for the tape (we could :D) there just would be one operation instead of five < 1167519925 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because a bignum can be used an array like [inc-oper,5] < 1167519927 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm... and we won't be doing a traditional filesystem will we? < 1167519930 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :directories are teh suck. < 1167519934 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can < 1167519938 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Def-BF provides us with facilities for creating virtual tapes from our primary tape, so it wouldn't be ridiculously hard to implement < 1167519946 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1167519984 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course with non-optimized brainfuck you always know when a program will end < 1167519999 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the ticks of the OS are at steady intervals < 1167520002 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is partially a thought experiment as well... to explore some new OS design ideas. < 1167520028 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in case of a change to the optimization algorithms, it's execution time can vary < 1167520043 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, different options can be set for the optimization < 1167520058 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^^^^^ these are the jobs done in esolangs < 1167520063 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the optimizers etc < 1167520080 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything is done in an esolang. :D < 1167520090 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, i'd say it's pretty fucking experimental to do a BF-OS, but whatever < 1167520145 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just, i can't figure out how to do the core without a lang that understands what is inside a computer < 1167520159 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and esolangs are usually very abstract < 1167520164 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i making sence? < 1167520185 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1167520202 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good then < 1167520219 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my solution to that problem relies on the idea that Def-BF isn't overly complex to translate into machinecode < 1167520228 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1167520238 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have the Def-BF-to-machinecode compiler... the kernel... interpreters for a crapload of esolangs... some sort of modular structure for organizing programs, almost like individual functions to the OS. < 1167520245 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey! me got idea! :D < 1167520264 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i didn't < 1167520269 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1167520269 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was stupid :( < 1167520325 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i mean, kernel needs to do the memory allocations etc, so it doesn't help if Def-BF to is easy, we need it the other way around < 1167520334 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1167520345 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, how? < 1167520359 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ultimately, we may be forced to use another language to build some very core parts of the OS < 1167520364 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... our esolang interpreters probably won't fit the specification exactly... and they'll definetely communicate with the kernel quite heavily to allocate inter-connection between differing programs. < 1167520385 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in general, I think we should just try to place as little reliance on these other languages as possible < 1167520407 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean to non-esolangs? < 1167520420 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so, you're right < 1167520440 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think esolangs would work fine. < 1167520444 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you organize it right. < 1167520445 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl- dinner < 1167520452 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, Def-BF is slow, so i'd recommend we don't use it for the core, but rather as the primary lang to use for programs etc < 1167520467 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's only slow if you make it slow. ;) < 1167520475 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most other esolangs on the other hand do not slow things don't at all < 1167520489 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, do you understand the concept of ordo? < 1167520497 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ordo? < 1167520500 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :big O? < 1167520504 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1167520508 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1167520516 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1167520522 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BF has only + and - < 1167520525 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it'll only be O(n) if you make it work like that. < 1167520532 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :addition is O(logn) max < 1167520551 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it becomes extremely verbose done like that < 1167520570 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah... they're just syntax instructions... with the proper optimizations you can shorten computation times greatly. < 1167520603 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The commands and what they do are just visualizations... you can compress it into smaller operations. < 1167520639 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in most cases, yes, but in that case i'd say Def-BF is already used as the main language for the actual programs, so why not use something else for internal functionality of the OS < 1167520689 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe... we could ues a modified form of Glass. :D < 1167520722 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in brainfuck you think something, convert it to brainfuck by doing everything the hard way, when the computer tried to get "what you meant" from the bf-code which doesn't really show the "consept" at all, it might fail < 1167520746 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :leaving you with less optimizations than you would've had doing it with another lang < 1167520780 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey... if uuu is using --Python--, which is a super-high-level language, to construct an entire OS... it can't be that slow. < 1167520782 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt there is an interpretor that can convert a division from brainfuck [a thousand chars] to c++ [a/b] < 1167520808 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :characters do not translate to speed. < 1167520812 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? the only thing slow is BF < 1167520852 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i mean is, the computer doesn't understand how easy it is for it to do the division < 1167520857 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has it built-in < 1167520884 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a/b is an abstraction for some underlying low-level bit-by-bit operation... < 1167520896 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but instead it tries to do it the brainfuck-way, no way it can figure out what it's really doing and substitute a DIV-asm-command < 1167520922 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what does DIV do at heart? < 1167520945 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i mean is, bf -> machine code is of course worse code than python -> machine code < 1167520951 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that matteR? < 1167520952 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*r < 1167520961 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's faster than doing a division manually < 1167520980 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Programmers are terrible at conceptualizing how their programs work... because they're so damn abstract. < 1167520996 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably not even worth the trouble of considering it. < 1167521004 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually might not be, but are you really saying an interpretor can make brainfuck as fast machine code that it can make python? < 1167521020 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :might not be DIV faster that doing manually i mean < 1167521030 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what's "manually"./ < 1167521043 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not the point < 1167521060 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in BF... the operations are just very specific... it doesn't nessicarily translate to any more work for the computer. < 1167521067 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :manually = with bit shifts and bitwise logical operations < 1167521088 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg i want RodgerTheGreat_ here... hopefully agrees with me :\ < 1167521101 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if he says what you say, i admit defeat < 1167521119 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i'm not really sure what you mean, actually) < 1167521197 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I'm probably wrong. < 1167521231 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably more wrong than you... but being right when it comes to optimization is nigh impossible. < 1167521292 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1167521305 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean by that? < 1167521330 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's almost impossible to optimize? < 1167521371 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost, but not exactly! i can show you: ++--- -> - <<< i optimized here < 1167521434 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh... alright. < 1167521511 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's possible... but if you didn't -set the situation up yourself-, and the optimization wasn't so painfully obvious... I'm saying conceptualizing optimization to a certain extent, in less specific languages than brainfuck, can be difficult. < 1167521583 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then, how do you tell a brainfuck program to divide two numbers by each other using a fast way? < 1167521604 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all you can do is do it the brainfuck way, which, believe me, is very verbose < 1167521634 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that will prolly be translated to what it was in brainfuck, only with incs instead of +'s < 1167521655 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so instead of a fast DIV a,b, tons of incs and decs and loops < 1167521661 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright... but if your BF implementation maps directly to machine code... it will be much faster than a BF implemented in C. < 1167521688 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O() is relative to the environment < 1167521704 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, you're right about BF being slower. < 1167521704 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you talking about compilation of interpretinf? < 1167521706 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*g < 1167521728 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no.. I'm just talking about language. < 1167521731 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm talking about the core, so compilation < 1167521735 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just language? < 1167521740 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1167521741 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not < 1167521747 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python is implemented in CPython, which is implemented in C... O(n) in Python will be slower than O(n) in C. < 1167521750 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm talking about the programming of the core < 1167521773 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, no no no no no, O(n) in python is O(n) in C < 1167521788 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's ALWAYS O(nlogn) in BF < 1167521811 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, no ucase on the always < 1167521819 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ is O(1) everywhere < 1167521823 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example < 1167521836 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but python is conseptually the same as C < 1167521845 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in speed < 1167521852 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BF on the other hand is not < 1167521858 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O(n) means n * times one comptation. one computation takes longer amounts of times in different languages. < 1167521898 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O() is used to describe -relative- speed. < 1167521898 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, what is your point? < 1167521907 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :orly? < 1167521908 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1167521928 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my point is that O(n) in C is faster than O(n) in Python. < 1167521943 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's relative to the speed of "one computation". < 1167521944 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you don't know what you're talking about < 1167521951 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, technically < 1167521959 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not the point with O() < 1167521983 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any benchmark between C and Python involving something with the same O time will show that C is usually the faster of the two. < 1167522006 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course... the point of O isn't to comparse like that, you're right. < 1167522012 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1167522044 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, in python everything is guaranteed to be the same ordo as in c < 1167522048 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything normal < 1167522056 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in brainfuck it isn't < 1167522058 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How? < 1167522063 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how what? < 1167522091 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean... how can a language implemented in some other language have operations that are the same speed in the other language? < 1167522098 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-__________- < 1167522114 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's say everything is compiled, for one < 1167522135 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eventually, yes. < 1167522137 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no c running when you run your python, no python running when you run your pythong code < 1167522139 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*python < 1167522143 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :www.pythong.org < 1167522174 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1167522187 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :written that wrong 3 times now, two times trying for www.python.org < 1167522205 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'm subconsciously gay or something < 1167522232 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's a teensy bit off-topic maybe < 1167522253 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For your enjoyment, part of why it's interesting to be me: < 1167522262 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was trying to decide where to go for New Years ... < 1167522268 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I called some friends to see where they were going ... < 1167522277 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least four of them were already planning to come to my abode. < 1167522281 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And have a NY party there. < 1167522285 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1167522316 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have to plan a New Years party, it plans itself. < 1167522322 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quine < 1167522330 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1167522699 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wanted to code the NY but i gotta go party with my friends :( < 1167523038 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm... what's ASM? < 1167523079 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assembly < 1167523086 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1167523154 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think glass would be a good candidate to use. :D < 1167523160 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some stuff. < 1167523207 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's easy to parse, being stack-based... and is pretty capable of doing things despite its erm... verbosity. < 1167523213 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speed has never really been a concern of mine. < 1167523237 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, just the (System)-class to access memory management etc and it would be a nice language for the core < 1167523272 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_o)O!"wheee"(_o)o.?]} < 1167523275 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wheee < 1167523280 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to try some orthogonal persistency. < 1167523296 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus it looks cool when you do output... like a bunch of confused faces. < 1167523349 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's definetely one of the more structure esoteric languages. < 1167523355 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :d < 1167523462 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_o)0O!"wheee"o.?]} < 1167523472 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops :D < 1167523478 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_o)0O!"wheee"1o.?]} < 1167523481 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wheee < 1167523501 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems kind of redundent to do it that way. < 1167523541 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ! operation itself saves the object to _o... no use retrieving it from the stack when you have it as a variable. < 1167523569 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was smaller yay \o/ < 1167523700 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe... I'd do the kernel in Python myself. :D < 1167523705 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's not very esoteric. < 1167523747 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still don't know what will be the goal for the OS < 1167523758 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be esoteric... and try out shit. < 1167523763 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no real super-huge goal in mind. < 1167523773 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be written in esoteric langs, to run esoteric langs, or both < 1167523790 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both would be nice. < 1167523792 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the middle one is the one i'd use :) < 1167523796 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that < 1167523806 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any computer can run esoteric langs. < 1167523816 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we want our computer to consist of esolangs. :D < 1167523829 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what i meant by that < 1167523887 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we could try out some new OS design concepts... I like what uuu is doing currently. < 1167523921 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read that, basically just realizing no need to separate files and variables < 1167523929 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*have < 1167523955 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the functional (and/or object oriented) approach to looking at it. < 1167523956 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have i been hit in the head a few times recently? every goddamn sentence is incomplete... < 1167523982 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ye, on the other hand, i'd like this one to be the Bf-thing < 1167524008 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you treat programs as components that can all be used interchangeably with each other... you have quite a powerful library to work off of. < 1167524029 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a-ha? < 1167524047 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other goal is to make esolangs into something useful. :D < 1167524124 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd like to have the Def-BF running OS on my computer < 1167524145 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, it exclusively < 1167524148 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one sucks < 1167524152 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno... I'm starting to reconsider Def-BF :/ < 1167524165 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1167524172 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's definetely a useful estension to BF... but should it be the entire kernel? < 1167524213 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have an entire system in my mind already, i'd say no < 1167524226 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :entire kernel written on it or? < 1167524233 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> I kinda don't like the idea of Def-BF using Absolute addresses. < 1167524235 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does it need to do that? < 1167524247 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how else would you do functions? < 1167524259 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :....names? < 1167524278 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be absolute addressing < 1167524286 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :give them symbolic names that lead to memory addresses. < 1167524296 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :== absolute addressing < 1167524319 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my idea was the names < 1167524319 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...by "absolute addressing" I meant requiring the entire numeric memory address to call a function. < 1167524344 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the names was the original concept... RodgerTheGreat surprised me with memory addresses. < 1167524352 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? same thing < 1167524358 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1167524364 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's very different. < 1167524370 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except memory addressing keeps the bf < 1167524383 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :names, and it's only bf by algorithmic slowness < 1167524383 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"add" is much easier to remember than "0344534" < 1167524403 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, and i proposed an OS function to ease that up < 1167524429 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now you have to remember the Os functions memory address... which changes each use. < 1167524434 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the difference? < 1167524458 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can have names for OS functions < 1167524470 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the language requires memory addresses at some point... you will have to use memory addresses at some point. < 1167524476 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are just changed into right function numbers < 1167524504 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, you cannot have names for other than OS functions with the same lookup method < 1167524506 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How will you call the OS function from within the program without specifying its memory address? < 1167524559 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : can be changed to the address when compiling (compiling as in writing the final program to where it will be used at) < 1167524573 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as OS functions can have static addresses < 1167524586 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what will do this compiling? < 1167524599 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :programmer < 1167524614 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the compiler if the programmer does a few macros < 1167524627 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you're going to augment the syntax to do that... why not augment the syntax entirely so that it accepts any symbol name. < 1167524635 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because < 1167524637 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1167524642 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a totally different thing < 1167524649 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I'm saying is... why even bother with detouring around a maleable language spec? < 1167524661 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you can just change the language spec? < 1167524678 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then why use bf? < 1167524694 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're not... we're using functional bf. < 1167524704 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with callable functions... < 1167524761 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't see why add them, would take away the whole small-set-of-char-that-make-up-a-language idea of brainfuck < 1167524773 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we want to use bf... but we want some modularity. Having to fiddle with absolute addresses is just more confusing than manuially copy and pasting the code... it doesn't extend the language to have modularity. < 1167524778 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you can easily simulate that with a few OS functions < 1167524821 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... should i use a module at 15 from 189384, i should put 189369 <'s together? < 1167524849 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1167524854 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :memory jumps okay? < 1167524869 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes it even harder... you have to write a program to spell out the functions string name...and then get the memory address of the OS, call it with those characters... and then call the resulting function... it would be easier to just add the contents of the function manually. < 1167524873 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no point. < 1167524897 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, now when executing the program < 1167524914 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would there be "function insertion" in the codestring or smth? < 1167524940 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm? < 1167524960 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1167524963 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forget that < 1167525004 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, would the uuu's no files -system be used? < 1167525020 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The entire point of the functional extension to BF was to make it easier to use for constructing something like an operating system. < 1167525031 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you require all the extra work to call a function... it's not really worth it. < 1167525044 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, are you talking about function calls inside one program? < 1167525048 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we wouldn't use the typical file system... it would be a different model. < 1167525065 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just talking about function calls. < 1167525070 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1167525081 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a program being a normal function? < 1167525095 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure. < 1167525168 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no absolute addresses? < 1167525178 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not just have symbolic names as an embedded functionality to the language... with the underlying compiler handling all the finding-the-absolute-memory-address? < 1167525192 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there could be a registry of names to absolute addresses built-in to the OS. < 1167525227 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is that what you were saying we do? < 1167525251 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to me it sounded like we should build it over the top of the base language like a weird abstraction... that would require quite a bit of work on the programmers behalf. < 1167525267 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"to me it sounded like you said we should build..." < 1167525286 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(name to look up) <<< would be a sensible syntax for looking up the address of a function to exec < 1167525314 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i guess i'll see the point of making bf more functional at some point < 1167525330 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat_, oh... and hey. < 1167525342 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION waves
< 1167525357 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we were just busy being confused by each others explainations. < 1167525363 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1167525365 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ye < 1167525366 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi, RodgerTheGreat_ < 1167525444 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There should be no difference between a function and a program. < 1167525455 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1167525474 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no need to stuff applications in huge directory paths. < 1167525501 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just stuff them in a single os-level function (let's call them a blob for distinction) < 1167525521 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, a dictionary :D < 1167525525 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1167525531 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a dictionary is like a hash table. < 1167525537 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't describe a program too well. < 1167525544 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that what we want? < 1167525550 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1167525558 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :programs as hash tables? < 1167525561 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, isn't it basically a name to address? < 1167525565 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nje < 1167525572 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh... that's for name-to-address stuff... that's different. < 1167525573 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1167525588 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm talking about what we're going to do for our new "file system". < 1167525624 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The name-to-address would just be an orthogonally persistent hash table. < 1167525631 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, wouldn't that make everything use just global variables? < 1167525641 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the no-sub-thingies < 1167525654 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what language will you write all this in? < 1167525665 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Each program would have a scope. < 1167525669 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You'll excuse me if I'm dripping with scepticism) < 1167525673 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION waves the Def-BF flag
< 1167525674 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1167525677 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err, skepticism < 1167525680 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get a towel! < 1167525696 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly def-BF if we don't change our mind. < 1167525702 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm somehow unsurprised that gregor is being pessimistic about the project. < 1167525727 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems it's an OS written in Def-BF running only Def-BF < 1167525730 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat_, Do we have to use absolute memory address in def-bf? < 1167525747 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's going to be a really long haul if we actually want to produce a useable OS in the end < 1167525757 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we might want to reconsider the kernel language though... < 1167525768 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as ok said... bf isn't terribly efficient. < 1167525776 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can be if you do it right. < 1167525837 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: it's the best way to do it. In modern operating systems, executables contain absolute addresses which are patched to appropriate values based on where they're loaded as they're loaded into memory < 1167525897 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't we use symbolic names and map them through some kind of startup-generated hash table? < 1167525921 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not both? < 1167525989 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's really no different than a runtime patch. There's no need to store data in a clumsy way (strings) when we can do it in an efficient way (addresses). Absolute addresses are more complex to code with, but that's the *entire* point of having a compiler in the first place. < 1167525990 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If all else fails and we decide BF isn't a good kernel language... we can just make a new more assembly-friendly esolang. :D < 1167525997 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1167526060 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted the BF extension to be uncumbersome to use on its own instead of a super low-level language... maybe we should split it up into different languages? < 1167526147 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the point of defining Def-BF as a series of high-level variants and a core low-level standard. < 1167526254 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Bitte waehlen Sie eine Beerdigungnachricht" < 1167526293 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat_, But is def-BF doing to be an efficient core langauge? < 1167526316 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it ultimately depends on the level of complexity we build into the compiler < 1167526343 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe we should use an Esoteric Assembly Candy Wrapper Language < 1167526345 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, my example from before, there is no way to even make the compiler understand a simple division < 1167526365 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and compile it into efficient machine code < 1167526398 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figured that at the very least, using Def-BF as a singular standard means we can work on optimizing the compiler together and all abstractions of the low-level language will benefit < 1167526479 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Glass could be an efficient base language. < 1167526482 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it's true that a simple language like BF is more difficult to compile efficiently than a language with more symbols and keywords. It doesn't make it impossible to compile efficiently, it just requires that your compiler analyzes your code more deeply, resulting in a more complex compiler. It's harder, but possible. < 1167526534 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has most of the high-level constructs needed to translate directly to machine code.. and it's easy to extend onto... < 1167526552 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that's way out of my league, and at that point i naturally say it's impossible :) < 1167526587 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1167526596 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" It has most of the high-level constructs needed to translate directly to machine code." i don't quite follow < 1167526600 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just my suggestion- never claim something < 1167526608 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is impossible on #Esoteric. :) < 1167526608 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1167526637 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it has a division operator... for example... which could translate directly to the DIV instruction. < 1167526650 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :few esolangs have a division operator. ;) < 1167526661 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Glass could be an efficient base language." missed this line < 1167526664 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1167526696 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems just similar enough to assembly to make a nice translation... while still being freaky as crap. < 1167526701 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not to mention it's easy to parse. < 1167526713 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trivial to parse, even ;) < 1167526727 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't know what the bork is with A.a X_X < 1167526758 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can it even get bugs without a rebuild? < 1167526770 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, worked fine before < 1167526771 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the OO gives us a nice organizational structure to easily create higher-level stuff. < 1167526807 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's probably the most useful esolang I know. :P < 1167526812 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah :P < 1167526826 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the postfix is just a minor setback until you get used to it. < 1167526830 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it's strangely intuitive. < 1167526831 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's a miserable failure in that sense ;) < 1167526876 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :After a few hours or so I adapted to it. < 1167526912 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, we're veering towards a glass-based kernel, using Def-BF for less critical parts of the system? < 1167526929 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's where I'm veering... dunno if it's the consensus. < 1167526944 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we have problems with that... we can always just try something different. < 1167526947 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I knew what Def-BF was :P < 1167526958 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://nonlogic.org/dump/text/1167512946.html < 1167526962 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fortunately we have no deadline to actually finish this thing. < 1167526976 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I got off my lazy bum and finished C2BF, that'd help ;) < 1167526984 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, To avoid cringing... you can ignore most of the high-level part... it's not important to the actual language. < 1167526998 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pfft < 1167527017 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everybody's hating on HLDFBF < 1167527017 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like CBrainfuck! :o < 1167527032 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HLDFBF? < 1167527039 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :high-level variant of def-bf < 1167527043 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :High-Level Def-BF < 1167527058 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's only a sensible shortform if it's High-Level DeF-BF < 1167527069 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jeje < 1167527095 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a 6-letter acronym isn't really a sensible shortform in *any* instance... < 1167527097 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Out of all the esolangs, Glass seems like one of the better choices for such a crucial role. < 1167527112 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without the high-level stuff, it's sort of like BF + setjmp < 1167527130 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah... it's BF with subroutines. < 1167527187 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :esentially < 1167527193 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus I'm much much more capable in an OO language than in an impertivive semi-subroutine-al language like def-bf. < 1167527212 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was the simplest addition I could make to BF that would allow functions without too much trouble < 1167527221 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OO and (real) functional languages are my cup of tea. < 1167527230 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hands CakeProphet Plof.
< 1167527238 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1167527241 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :link? < 1167527249 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.codu.org/plof/ < 1167527259 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hell, we could go with another famous gregor language and write the kernel in ORK. < 1167527271 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is such a thing as a kernel. < 1167527280 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A kernel can execute a function. < 1167527285 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A kernel can execute a syscall. < 1167527319 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1167527325 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahaha < 1167527326 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes... ORK < 1167527339 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Glass is funkier though... and less tiring to type. :D < 1167527349 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plof basically looks like... C. < 1167527352 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if ORK can meet the I/O requirements, I'm all for using it to write the kernel. < 1167527359 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Plof isn't esoteric by nature :P < 1167527370 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :talk about self-documenting code. < 1167527379 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahaha < 1167527400 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both maybe? < 1167527418 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or do we need a kernel before we can do the inter-language data stuff? < 1167527449 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Ork classes and objects could translates almost trivially into Glass. :D < 1167527456 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm... < 1167527478 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Glass' classes are a superset of ORK's classes I believe. < 1167527491 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha... Glass was written in Ork? < 1167527496 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_o)O!<2><2>~A.a~(_o)o.?]} < 1167527510 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just had a thought about why A.a isn't working ... < 1167527511 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the ~ for? < 1167527519 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_o)O!<2><2>~A.s~(_o)o.?]} < 1167527523 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: It's the secret way of getting builtin functions :P < 1167527527 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: You're not supposed to use it X_X < 1167527529 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_o)O!<2><2>~A.a~(_o)(on).?]} < 1167527533 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 < 1167527535 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah! < 1167527536 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.... < 1167527537 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMG < 1167527543 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION dies.
< 1167527558 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, You didn't tell me there was a secret!!! < 1167527573 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :....guess that's why it's a secret? < 1167527582 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARGH < 1167527586 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :SevenInchBread < 1167527589 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My suspicion was right! < 1167527595 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION bangs his head into a wall
< 1167527603 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somebody overwrote the A class in EgoBot, and it cached the borken one :) < 1167527639 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha! < 1167527664 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {A[a~A.a~][s~A.s~][m~A.m~][d~A.d~][(mod)~A.mod~][f~A.f~][e~A.e~][(ne)~A.ne~][(lt)~A.lt~][(le)~A.le~][(gt)~A.gt~][(ge)~A.ge~]}{S[l~S.l~][i~S.i~][(si)~S.si~][a~S.a~][d~S.d~][e~S.e~][(ns)~S.ns~][(sn)~S.sn~]}{V[n~V.n~][d~V.d~]}{O[o~O.o~][(on)~O.on~]}{I[l~I.l~][c~I.c~][e~I.e~][n~I.n~]}{(Debug)[(cl)~Debug.cl~][(fl)~Debug.fl~][(fc)~Debug.fc~][s~Debug.s~]} < 1167527667 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1167527673 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1167527683 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_o)O!(_a)A!<2><2>(_a)a.?(_o)(on).?]} < 1167527687 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 < 1167527690 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION takes a bow.
< 1167527715 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The good thing about esolangs is that they're so simple... translating data from one language into another via some universal OS-centric importing mechanism is easy. < 1167527724 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was that someone! :DDDD < 1167527731 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, sorry, very sorry < 1167527735 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shakes his fist :P
< 1167527752 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the future, if any of the builtin classes are broken, grab the standard definition out of builtins.cc (or from what I just pasted) < 1167527791 0 :tgwizard!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1167527799 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is weird - you mean EgoBot has just one eternally running Glass interpreter? :) < 1167527806 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :errr.... it's a part of the language to be able to rewrite standard classes? :D < 1167527848 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: No, it reruns it, but the standard interpreter can cache classes if you'd like. < 1167527852 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Yes. < 1167527871 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean if i did !glass {A}{S}{M[m]}, my interpretor should no longer have them? < 1167527872 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ORK would be awesome... as well as Glass. :D < 1167527880 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Correct. < 1167527890 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: However, it would only /permanently/ remove them if you used a cache. < 1167527917 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean? < 1167527920 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by cache < 1167527940 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Whenever EgoBot is given a Glass program, it saves all of the classes it was given and reuses them the next time. < 1167527953 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I can use the BF class on EgoBot, since I entered it once a long long time ago. < 1167527961 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1167527964 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :show it < 1167527986 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... the cache, the BF class, or the BF class in action? < 1167528013 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M{m(_b)(BF)!">+++++++++[<++++++++>-]<.>+++++++[<++++>-]<+.+++++++..+++.>>>++++++++[<++++>-]<.>>>++++++++++[<+++++++++>-]<---.<<<<.+++.------.--------.>>+."(_b)(bf).?]} < 1167528015 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1167528020 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M["+++."m(_bf)0BF!(run).?]} < 1167528021 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Errrm, that was borken a bit :) < 1167528025 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1167528030 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_b)(BF)!">+++++++++[<++++++++>-]<.>+++++++[<++++>-]<+.+++++++..+++.>>>++++++++[<++++>-]<.>>>++++++++++[<+++++++++>-]<---.<<<<.+++.------.--------.>>+."(_b)(bf).?]} < 1167528035 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello World! < 1167528059 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow cool < 1167528066 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i see the codE? < 1167528104 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One sec. < 1167528159 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm :P < 1167528167 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pastebin! :P < 1167528301 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, Do you have a list constructor? < 1167528304 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was making one myself. < 1167528324 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemme see if egobot still has it. < 1167528328 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.ca/297373 < 1167528341 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have Arr, which is really a LLL despite being called an Arr[ay] :P < 1167528416 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LLL? < 1167528442 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_o)O!(_c)(Con)! <2><3>(_c)(build).?(cdr).?(_o)o.?]} < 1167528449 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Linear Linked List < 1167528453 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1167528482 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am apparently the only person on the planet that shortens it to LLL ;) < 1167528498 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The syntax for a singleton class in ORK should be "There can be only one " < 1167528504 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would sound cool for building a kernal. < 1167528509 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There can be only one kernal... < 1167528522 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ORK's compiler is OSS, have at it ;) < 1167528549 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's it written in? < 1167528574 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either C or C++ I'm sure. < 1167528580 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bleh. < 1167528581 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's been a while since I wrote it ;) ) < 1167528587 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Glass is in C++ :P < 1167528591 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EgoBF is in C ... < 1167528596 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EgoBot is in C++ < 1167528599 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Glass would more readily translate to assembly, methinks. < 1167528607 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as parsing... and some other things. < 1167528732 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbiab < 1167528740 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol k < 1167528747 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, who the bork is SevenInchBread? < 1167528755 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :CakeProphet < 1167528759 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahhhhhhhhhhh < 1167528766 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My true form is revealed. < 1167528768 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You prophesized bread instead of cake then? < 1167528769 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have countless nicknames. < 1167528776 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no... I'm just... bread. < 1167528781 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not meant to be taken literally. < 1167528785 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very surreal, you see. < 1167528789 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :GrandmotherChaos < 1167528803 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand such nicks, given that mine is as uninteresting as they come. < 1167528805 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Mother of a Thousand Crumbs... < 1167528820 0 :GrandmotherChaos!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SevenInchBread just sounded bizzare... < 1167528823 0 :GrandmotherChaos!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's my favorite. < 1167528832 0 :GrandmotherChaos!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact... < 1167528836 0 :GrandmotherChaos!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :SevenInchBread < 1167528839 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah... there we go. < 1167528986 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, GREGOR < 1167528991 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WILL YOU HELP US? < 1167528995 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WILL YOU SAVE THE DAY? < 1167529031 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?.? < 1167529056 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf >.< < 1167529080 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ps < 1167529083 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 SevenInchBread: ps < 1167529092 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf >.< < 1167529096 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf >.< < 1167529101 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf >+.< < 1167529104 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
< 1167529107 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay < 1167529134 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wha? < 1167529138 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf +[.+] < 1167529142 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
 < 1167529157 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!kill 1 < 1167529159 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ps < 1167529164 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf +[>+] < 1167529168 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Process 1 killed. < 1167529170 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 SevenInchBread: ps < 1167529171 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEH < 1167529171 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1167529172 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :realloc: Cannot allocate memory < 1167529193 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We killed it? < 1167529200 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah < 1167529204 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was just EgoBF dying ;) < 1167529216 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah... it's fault taulerant. :D < 1167529233 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it like... a bunch of subprocesses basically? < 1167529245 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is like a bunch of subprocesses literally. < 1167529285 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python has really nifty subprocess handling... < 1167529292 0 :cmeme!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Client terminated by server" < 1167529296 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hip-hip hurray for OO and functional. < 1167529303 0 :cmeme!n=cmeme@boa.b9.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1167529320 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GREGORR < 1167529324 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WILL YOU HELP US? < 1167529327 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EgoBot is nothing more than a collection of different interpreters written in all sorts of different languages. < 1167529334 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus a runtime environment for them. < 1167529342 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUILD THE PERFECT OS? < 1167529342 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might. < 1167529347 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just skeptical is all. < 1167529361 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Confidence goes a long way. :D < 1167529679 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1167529689 0 :Sukoshi!n=user@user-11faadf.dsl.mindspring.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1167529963 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {(Con) [(c__)a2=b1=] [(car)a*] [(cdr)b*]} {M[m(_o)O!(_er)(Con)!(_e)<1><2>(_er)(build).? (_e)(car).?(_o)o.?(_e)(cdr).?(_o)o.?]} < 1167530004 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {(Con) [(c__)a2=b1=] [(car)a*] [(cdr)b*]} {M[m(_o)O!(_er)(Con)!(_e)<1><2>(_er)(build).?= (_e)(car).?(_o)o.?(_e)(cdr).?(_o)o.?]} < 1167530019 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(on) < 1167530063 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {(Con) [(c__)a2=b1=] [(car)a*] [(cdr)b*]} {M[m(_o)O!(_er)(Con)!(_e)<1><2>(_er)(build).?= (_e)(car).?(_o)on.?(_e)(cdr).?(_o)on.?]} < 1167530077 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the parentheses are mandatory < 1167530081 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1167530085 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot < 1167530097 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {(Con) [(c__)a2=b1=] [(car)a*] [(cdr)b*]} {M[m(_o)O!(_er)(Con)!(_e)<1><2>(_er)(build).?= (_e)(car).?(_o)(on).?(_e)(cdr).?(_o)(on).?]} < 1167530166 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {(Con) [(c__)a2=b1=] [(car)a*] [(cdr)b*]} {M[m(_o)O!<1><2>(_er)(Con)! (_e)(car).?(_o)(on).?(_e)(cdr).?(_o)(on).?]} < 1167530173 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot Con didn't have the build method like List. < 1167530186 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {(Con) [(c__)a2=b1=] [(car)a*] [(cdr)b*]} {M[m(_o)O!<1><2>(_e)(Con)! (_e)(car).?(_o)(on).?(_e)(cdr).?(_o)(on).?]} < 1167530190 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12 < 1167530193 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whooo < 1167530200 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exciting. < 1167530231 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still suggest you add ,, to the constructor. < 1167530243 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where? < 1167530250 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why? < 1167530302 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {(Con) [(c__)a2=b1=,,] [(car)a*] [(cdr)b*]} {M[m(_o)O!<1><2>(_e)(Con)! (_e)(car).?(_o)(on).?(_e)(cdr).?(_o)(on).?]} < 1167530303 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just before the ], to remove the arguments. < 1167530306 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12 < 1167530313 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it works the same doesn't it? < 1167530385 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only if you don't need to use anything below it in the stack < 1167530429 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey GregorR < 1167530438 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should add some more special methods. :D < 1167530440 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to Glass. < 1167530447 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like maybe an output method. < 1167530469 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So objects can have customized output with just one universal call. < 1167530499 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like in... python? < 1167530504 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :off to sleep -> < 1167530509 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... it's a good idea. < 1167530526 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i ain't saying it ain't < 1167530527 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1167530535 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Technically speaking, you can implement a o and on method in any class and pass that in instead of an O class *shrugs* < 1167530571 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then you have to determine type. < 1167530588 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like in the cons constructor... how would we know what type of elements we're dealing with? < 1167530596 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they all have different ways to be outputted. < 1167530621 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH < 1167530629 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never mind, I didn't understand what you meant ;) < 1167530670 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, that's true. it means the methods need to be added to numbers and strings as well. < 1167530679 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {(Con) [(c__)a2=b1=,,] [(car)a*] [(cdr)b*] [(ols)(_o)O! a*(_o)o.? b*(_o)o.?} {M[m(_o)O!"Hello " "World!"(_e)(Con)! (_e)(car).?(_o)(on).?(_e)(cdr).?(_o)(on).?]} < 1167530682 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00 < 1167530689 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the (ols) method I just added would only work for strings... < 1167530694 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if... it wasn't bugged... < 1167530703 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one moment. < 1167530729 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {(Con) [(c__)a2=b1=,,] [(car)a*] [(cdr)b*] [(ols)(_o)O! a*(_o)o.? b*(_o)o.?} {M[m(_o)O!"Hello " "World!"(_e)(Con)! (_e)(ols).?]} < 1167530762 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course you _can_ wrap them in classes. < 1167530802 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does that solve the problem of segmented outputting functions? < 1167530820 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not really... a problem.. < 1167530828 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just, would be nifty. :D < 1167530854 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn type-based operators. >.< < 1167530855 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means you can wrap any object which doesn't have an o method in another object which does the translation. < 1167530894 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not found of excess wrapping paper. :P < 1167530932 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm... a wrapper paper language. < 1167530959 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Well... before you can output a string in WrapLang you have to wrap it in a string-output-wrapper class... and then call the subsequence output method" < 1167530970 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to give it output functionality. < 1167531078 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Having a crapload of special methods is one of the coolest things about OO :D < 1167531106 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we could define classes corresponding to each of the non-object datatypes, allowing methods to be defined for them. < 1167531161 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds too complicated. < 1167531209 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, so you could define your own methods that worked on every value, if you wanted. < 1167531332 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_lol)V! "whee"(_lol)n.? (_o)O! (whee)(_o)o.?]} < 1167531334 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whee < 1167531354 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m (_o)O! (whee)(_o)o.?]} < 1167531356 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whee < 1167531359 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m (_o)O! (whee)(_o)o.?]} < 1167531360 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whee < 1167531363 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m (_o)O! (wheewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww)(_o)o.?]} < 1167531366 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wheewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww < 1167531372 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m (_o)O! (wheewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwpeniswwww)(_o)o.?]} < 1167531374 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wheewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwpeniswwww < 1167531389 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, yes, Glass will let you treat variable references as strings X_X < 1167531397 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BRILLIANT < 1167531399 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1167531420 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m (_o)O!(1)(_o)o.?]} < 1167531431 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did Glass explode? < 1167531447 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m (_o)O! (_o)(_o)o.?]} < 1167531450 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_o < 1167531465 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah... yeah _o is just a reference name. < 1167531466 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... < 1167531477 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m (_o)O! (_o)o.(_o)o.?]} < 1167531497 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m (_o)O! "Test" (_o) "o".?]} < 1167531513 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alas :) < 1167531537 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m (_o)O! (_o)o.?(_o)o.?]} < 1167531551 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m (_o)O!"lol" (_o)o.?(_o)o.?]} < 1167531552 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1167531571 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have some serious stack underflow there. < 1167531607 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stack underflow? < 1167531639 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to get values from an empty stack < 1167531695 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1167531712 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_o)O!(_o)(on).]} < 1167531746 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m (_o)(BF)! "+[+.]"(_o)(bf).?]} < 1167531748 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1167531757 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ps < 1167531760 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 SevenInchBread: glass < 1167531762 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 SevenInchBread: ps < 1167531763 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!kill 1 < 1167531764 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Process 1 killed. < 1167531803 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... if we use Glass for the core language... we already have the problem of implementing a bf interpreter solved. :D < 1167531820 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just not a functional bf :D < 1167532149 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason, I find this error message infinitely hilarious: < 1167532151 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/lib/libc.a(init-first.o):(.data+0x0): multiple definition of `__libc_multiple_libcs' < 1167532273 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :CakeProphet < 1167532437 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1167532451 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is making a Vampire the Masquerade character.
< 1167532464 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Designing an OS -and- playing tabletop.... I'm such a nerd. < 1167532547 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh noes, I'm going to have to start putting "2007" in the copyright lines soon 8-X < 1167532771 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_a)A!(_o)O!<1.2><3>(_a)m.?(_o)(on).]} < 1167532791 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_a)A!(_o)O!<1.2><3>(_a)m.?(_o)(on).?]} < 1167532795 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.6 < 1167532820 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_a)A!(_o)O!<4.0><3>(_a)d.?(_o)(on).?]} < 1167532823 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.33333 < 1167532827 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_a)A!(_o)O!<4><3>(_a)d.?(_o)(on).?]} < 1167532831 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.33333 < 1167532852 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_a)A!(_o)O!<4.0><3>(_a)a.?(_o)(on).?]} < 1167532855 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :7 < 1167532916 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, good night. < 1167532919 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1167533062 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, I do public domain myself. < 1167533069 0 :ihope_!n=foo@cpe-071-075-186-016.carolina.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1167533078 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay! My clumsily built BF interpreter works. < 1167533081 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I have no clue what that's in response to. < 1167533087 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ihope < 1167533093 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, Changing copyrights. < 1167533106 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope, Wanna built an Esoteric Operating System? < 1167533123 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I have no clue when I said anything regarding that :P < 1167533203 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"> Oh noes, I'm going to have to start putting "2007" in the copyright lines soon 8-X" < 1167533256 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH < 1167533269 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, public domain is just plain bad, so *shrugs* < 1167533304 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why's that? < 1167533311 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://deadbeefbabe.org/paste/3088 <--crappy BF interpreter. < 1167533328 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With public domain, you can't add a warantee disclaimer. < 1167533353 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, you're still liable. < 1167533356 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but... if it's public domain... you don't "own" it. < 1167533362 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you're still liable. < 1167533370 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :....well that's a crock of shit < 1167533370 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the f***'d-up-ness of copyright. < 1167533389 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer MIT minus attributionl < 1167533391 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-l < 1167533395 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I'm sort of in the habit of immediately closing all server tabs and clicking on everything red, so I didn't notice your thing about an esoteric operating system. < 1167533403 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: where's it say that? < 1167533420 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: ? < 1167533433 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm... I do like that I had a chance to use a coroutine in my BF interpreter. < 1167533434 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :About the public domain. < 1167533437 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an interesting way to do. < 1167533455 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, as for the operating system... well, I'd rather build a less esoteric one. < 1167533463 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just what is an esoteric operating system? < 1167533474 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The goal is to eventually make it a useful OS. < 1167533479 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun, but still useful. < 1167533489 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an OS built from esolangs. :D < 1167533505 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: IANAL, this is just what I've been told. < 1167533522 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe... "I anal" < 1167533646 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: yes, he is. < 1167533648 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1167533658 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1167533670 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My knowledge of copyright law is probably built entirely from gists and FAQs. < 1167533688 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine is based on FAQs and Bart Massey. < 1167533692 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always think I know more about things than I really do, maybe. < 1167533707 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know exactly how exercise works, for example. < 1167533731 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I know that starchy foods are best. < 1167533762 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope, At the moment... it looks like we're going to be using Glass to build the kernel... it'll have no filesystem, and all programs will work like "universal functions". < 1167533775 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No filesystem? < 1167533779 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope. < 1167533784 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What platform are we going to build this on, exactly? < 1167533785 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :universally continguous memory. < 1167533794 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrugs* dunno. < 1167533801 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not x86, I take it. < 1167533812 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know a lot about the specifics. < 1167533820 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would probably run /on/ x86 < 1167533825 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But would not /run/ x86 code. < 1167533831 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Under emulation? < 1167533851 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's call the platform SOAP. < 1167533854 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Glass would be the closest thing to the assembly language. < 1167533861 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like it. < 1167533863 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the name. < 1167533865 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For eSOAteric Platform. < 1167533882 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :....questionable acroynmical roots. :P < 1167533889 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but... oh well. < 1167533896 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Misspellings always make wonderful acronyms. < 1167533909 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it's no worse than Get Rid Of Slimy girlS, is it? < 1167533943 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So Glass is our platform? < 1167533948 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently. < 1167533953 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I certainly agree with that :P < 1167533955 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonderful. < 1167533968 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We just need a hardware interface. < 1167533986 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I'm not mistaken, hardware interfacing on the x86 is done with memory mapping. < 1167533997 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I may well be mistaken. < 1167534021 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even have the slightest bit of a clue. < 1167534066 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must ... find ... something like OSKit ... but more up-to-date. < 1167534075 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1167534279 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, Glass doesn't exactly have reading and writing to specific addresses, does it? < 1167534289 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Objects have variables, though, right? < 1167534302 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No and yes, respectively. < 1167534335 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you could say something of class 1000 has 1000 values in it, and if each one happens to contain a 1000, then you have 1000000 values? < 1167534360 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1000 isn't a valid class name, is it?) < 1167534376 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it isn't ;) < 1167534568 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We can change the implementation. < 1167534580 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to allow memory addressses. ;) < 1167534599 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure < 1167534608 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So long as you call it chaning the /language/ < 1167534610 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be trivial... if we're going to be working so close to the machine code. < 1167534623 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah... just adding a new class. :D < 1167534638 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same language... new builtin class. It's a "feature request" :P < 1167534640 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1167534642 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1167534642 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not cheating. < 1167534645 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehehe < 1167534661 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vote #1: < 1167534675 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Write the kernel entirely from scratch, or use something like OSKit? < 1167534685 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno. Some wacko extension to BF might be better. < 1167534690 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm... should update the OS page... < 1167534699 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope, we tried that. :D < 1167534711 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(We|You) did? < 1167534715 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Def-BF.... a version of BF with memory addressing for subroutines. < 1167534720 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And which, for that matter?) < 1167534727 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Def-BF had what? < 1167534734 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We (Me, Richard, et al) < 1167534749 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can call subroutines by absolute address. < 1167534754 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take it I'm not part of the "we". < 1167534759 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Subroutines, pah. < 1167534760 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's BF with a crude subroutine call. < 1167534797 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but.... Glass would be far better... plus it's not "cheating", and it'll be more efficient. < 1167534801 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We need self-modifying BF with RAM instead of SAM. < 1167534821 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Glass is not an assembly-like thingy! We must be absolutely traditional! < 1167534825 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope, other ideas that were tossed around include othogonal persistency. < 1167534839 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1167534842 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, self-modifying BF is a little hackish as well. < 1167534876 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had an idea for such a BF in my head at one point. < 1167534877 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, such a BF thing might be cool. < 1167534888 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but... really... Glass works much much better than BF of any sort. < 1167534904 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION should name his self-modifying BF such-a-BF
< 1167534906 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's make a new language that has a system mode and a user mode, and traps. < 1167534910 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since that's what we're calling it. < 1167534913 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And nothing else. < 1167534970 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We could have "enter user mode" be the only instruction... then again, that gives no control whatsoever. < 1167534980 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.... < 1167534986 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I vote Glass... < 1167534988 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1167534993 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Enter user mode" and "fudge trap registers"? < 1167534995 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck your userless usermode switching language. < 1167535003 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bhm. < 1167535051 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How, exactly, does one load a program and run it with Glass? < 1167535063 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm? < 1167535080 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does a Glass program load a program and run it? < 1167535084 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Glass kernel, rather. < 1167535094 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We haven't really touched the specifics yet. < 1167535096 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... dunno. < 1167535121 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could have interpreters written in Glass (or as object files) < 1167535137 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreters? < 1167535140 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean emulation? < 1167535155 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no... interpreters :P < 1167535164 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Portable Executable files contain x86 assembly, don't they? < 1167535178 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And whatever ELF stands for, too? < 1167535199 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, yeah ... < 1167535215 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Glass could use some facelifting... < 1167535217 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreters are a little slow, you know. < 1167535220 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some nifty special methods. < 1167535225 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially when you're running the interpreter under emulation. < 1167535252 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would make it easy to universalize data from different languages... to do the whole all-programs-can-call-each-other thing. < 1167535261 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AN ESOTERIC OS < 1167535266 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES < 1167535266 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slow is the last of our problems. < 1167535271 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1167535275 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL < 1167535277 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CAPS LOCK < 1167535278 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOB < 1167535283 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yAY, CAPS LOCK. < 1167535301 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sO WE DON'T CARE ABOUT SPEED, THEN? < 1167535312 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Optimization can come later. < 1167535317 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that much, no. < 1167535324 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but... speed is still up there in the "to think about" list. < 1167535326 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess we can emulate, then. < 1167535331 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just... less important than it normally would be. < 1167535356 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The kernel should have interpreters (perhaps JIT) for Glass, BF, etc) < 1167535377 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GTG, BBIAW < 1167535379 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION disappears.
< 1167535427 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Be back in a while? < 1167535430 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Yeah, I guess. < 1167535445 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway... Glass. How are we going to do the hardware interfacing? < 1167535497 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you normally do hardware interfacing? < 1167535516 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Memory mapping or special commands. < 1167535530 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in I don't know which, not you can choose which. < 1167535549 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... we can just build it into the implementation of Glass. < 1167535550 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though maybe both are commonly used. < 1167535553 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as more classes :D < 1167535566 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess memory mapping would use special things anyway. < 1167535572 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that map to whatever underlying interface is required. < 1167535594 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So add a special Hardware class and whatever methods you need. < 1167535626 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, I'm about to rush upstairs, so anything you may hear from me may well be my little cousin. < 1167535697 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is on guard.
< 1167535750 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host81-158-88-90.range81-158.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1167535839 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal, rawr < 1167535911 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why hello < 1167536095 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal, Wanna build an esoteric OS? :D:D < 1167536197 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1167537056 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1167537061 0 :Azstal!n=asztal@host81-158-88-90.range81-158.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1167537063 0 :Azstal!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Asztal < 1167537122 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HEY AZSTAL < 1167537129 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WANNA BUILD AN ESOTERIC OS WITH US? < 1167537135 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :SevenInchBread < 1167537206 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds excellent < 1167537371 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :CakeProphet < 1167538140 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HEY CAKEPROPHET, time to stop using capslock :P < 1167538156 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL FUCK U < 1167538158 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As per hardware interfacing, builtin classes is the obvious solution. < 1167538174 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :builtin classes seems to be the solution for most anything. < 1167538189 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"How do we do that?" "Pop in another built-in class" < 1167538215 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OR we could just make assembly a supported language. < 1167538288 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. < 1167538294 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be the noob way to do it. < 1167538307 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything must be in Glass. < 1167538323 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"SOAP... made entirely of Glass" < 1167538334 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, at some level there has to be a glass interpreter. < 1167538335 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So no. < 1167538336 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I surely wouldn't want to bathe with glassy soap. < 1167538351 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, Yeah I know... I'm just playing. < 1167538366 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to roll his own multiboot kernel.
< 1167538371 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We should mos def use Glass instead of boring Assembly language. < 1167538684 0 :ivan`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :" Want to be different? HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-" < 1167538792 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1167538853 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: http://nonlogic.org/dump/text/1167538452.html < 1167538860 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ the Def-BF spec < 1167538968 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like my poor little language has already fallen from vogue, based on the logs < 1167538974 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh < 1167538982 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :such is the fate of most esolangs < 1167538996 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Specification minus implementation equals zero. < 1167539013 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, of course < 1167539013 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Under that logic... < 1167539019 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Specification = implementation < 1167539037 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With esolangs, that's usually true :) < 1167539062 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't say a spec is nothing, but it's less than %10 of the work of creating an esolang. < 1167539072 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's going to be esoteric, are you going to do away with unfashionable and outmoded concepts such as files and processes and invent more quirky ones? < 1167539078 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Specification - inplementation + inplemntation = 0 + inplementation < 1167539080 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1167539091 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal, Pretty much. < 1167539098 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: well, we've already decided to get rid of files. < 1167539108 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure what we're doing about processes just yet < 1167539111 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good. I hated them anyway < 1167539118 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah.. < 1167539136 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Living beings with hit points, armour ratings etc? < 1167539148 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking we can hardwire most programs to be like OS-level functions that can be called with input and return an output... < 1167539155 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think that even if we code the kernel in glass, Def-BF will be a powerful tool for writing utilities and applications < 1167539162 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :programs could communicate with the OS to call up other programs and retrieve their output. < 1167539179 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat_, Without the memory addressing thing. :P < 1167539190 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat_, But yeah... it's definetely a step up from BF/ < 1167539221 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just because you fear pointers doesn't make them useful or useable, CakeProphet. ;) < 1167539236 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know. < 1167539239 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're not. :P < 1167539264 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never made claims to pointers being usable. < 1167539273 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1167539300 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't prove the inverse either < 1167539394 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :regardless, pikhq seemed interested in the language, so the two of us will likely build a development package for it in short order < 1167539430 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :once we get a codebase together, I reckon it'll look pretty attractive < 1167539634 0 :digital_me!n=william@209-234-165-2.static.twtelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1167539644 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :howdy, digital_me < 1167539670 0 :digital_me!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1167540216 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the idea is to not only run esoteric languages on a platform written in almost entirely esoteric languages, but also to allow some sort of magic interop between them? or have I misread "The current plan is that programs should act like modular components that can be imported and called by other programs via underlying OS magic"? < 1167540291 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's about right. < 1167540322 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds simple to do... just treat programs as input-output units (akin to a file... but not shoved into long-winded pathnames) < 1167540339 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my original concept was that you'd have a basic kernel providing memory management, tasking, basic I/O, etc, and it could load esolang interpreters as "modules". You'd then use these interpreters to run all your utilities and applications that make up a useable system. < 1167540393 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all you need is a good standardized I/O system that all the interpreters conform to, and you have yourself the ultimate esoteric OS < 1167540419 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all programs deal with numbers in the end... that's the universal output stream. < 1167540428 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ideally, the kernel and it's modules would also be coded as much in esolangs as possible < 1167540465 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there will probably be some API to specify output as a string or something. < 1167540490 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's up to the language to choose how to handle the data though. < 1167540496 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so far, Glass and Def-BF appear extremely promising languages for the task, with glass likely better for a kernel (better I/O), and Def-BF well suited to building modular libraries and large applications < 1167540510 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta go, 4:40am. I'll read the logs though :) < 1167540516 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1167540518 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cya < 1167540518 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Glass is pretty well suited for that task too... being OO. < 1167540522 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Chatzilla 0.9.75 [IceWeasel 1.0.1b2] (kidding!)" < 1167540523 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alrighty < 1167540548 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OO doesn't necessarily mean it's easy to make into machinecode. < 1167540577 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm... but Glass is pretty machine-codish. < 1167540598 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but so if BF :D < 1167540605 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BF just isn't quite as efficient. < 1167540614 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's powerful, but I don't think glass is much like machinecode < 1167540620 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... something like a kernel... might not prove too effective. < 1167540642 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BF is more machine-code-ish, but I can't realistically see people writing a kernel in it. < 1167540675 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the meantime, I'ma work on my self-modifying MUD codebase. :D < 1167540709 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main advantage I see with Def-BF is the fact that we can take advantage of all existing BF code and tools like pikhq's BFM- that's why I think it's a good way to provide some libraries for the OS < 1167540727 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Definetely. < 1167540752 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and since we plan on having all languages capable of communicating I/O to each other... that'll give us a nice backbone. < 1167540787 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure it can take the place of C as a primary coding language, but I think it'd make a nice equivalent of perl or TCL as a primary scripting and utility language < 1167540871 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... Glass, ORK, Def-BF, Befunge... < 1167540877 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd probably be possible to use it to build a kernel, but it ultimately depends on what has the support of the coding team < 1167540889 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really you could use BF as a stand-alone... since programs are themselves functions of a sort. < 1167540899 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not really sure how Befunge will fit into the mix < 1167540933 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Def-BF makes it easier to fit loose BF programs into a framework for controlling them as a group < 1167540951 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Righto. < 1167540969 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be a mess to do in regular BF. < 1167540973 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1167540990 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wouldn't be impossible, but it'd make it a bitch to add and remove things < 1167541020 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Befunge is... hmmm... < 1167541030 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's kind of a "wiring" language.. < 1167541032 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's spatial. < 1167541054 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1167541070 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ork and Glass have obvious uses with OO. < 1167541093 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they'd both be useful for applications programming < 1167541113 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The OS API for interchanging data might include a way to import individual objects and functions from the less basic esolangs. < 1167541121 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you think of any other esolangs with some fashion of usefulness to them? < 1167541141 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm... there's plenty I'm sure. < 1167541160 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We don't need just the useful ones... we can implement a ton just for the hell of it. :D < 1167541161 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll probably build a SYNTHESYS port, but I'm not sure self-modifying code is all that important for OS work. < 1167541170 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :INTERCAL? < 1167541182 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yeah, but we need a handful of useful ones to build the core OS with < 1167541204 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe... malboldge. < 1167541214 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like the idea of having my choices for writing a shell limited to BF, malbolge or turkeybomb. < 1167541245 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you think of any graphically-oriented languages that could be used for coding a window manager or something? < 1167541276 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm... yeah I've been wondering how the GUI will look with no filesystem. < 1167541284 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not to mention... how we'll do no filesystem. < 1167541350 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a few good ideas for designing a new GUI paradigm- leave that to me. < 1167541360 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all I need is a good language to build with < 1167541375 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some form of OISC could be useful for something... < 1167541407 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OISC is pretty weird, but has real-world applications < 1167541434 0 :digital_me!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"holy lol!" < 1167541440 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol... fuck the real world. < 1167541445 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We don't need it < 1167541459 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it would be cool to have like... a scrollable "plain". < 1167541493 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but... that's kind of weird. < 1167541497 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a GUI. < 1167541539 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's the problem with every EsoOS ever: Nobody can make up their F'ing mind on anything. < 1167541561 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, so far we've made a little progress. < 1167541574 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deciding on a core language is the first step. < 1167541598 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh... there's no deadline. < 1167541608 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can take eternity goign back and forth if we want. < 1167541610 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no rush. :D < 1167541614 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now we need an elegant system for allowing the languages to collaborate < 1167541627 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: the only deadline is "before we all get bored and quit" < 1167541636 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1167541643 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, what we need is an actual design for a kernel. How the languages correspond is fluff. < 1167541667 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION cracks his knuckles.
< 1167541683 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like I'm going to hammer out another specification < 1167541693 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( Some more pessimistic and you're going to morph into a grumpy coder... < 1167541720 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grumpy coders are absolutely the most annoying creature I've ever encountered... but I don't know why. < 1167541738 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he already *is* a grumpy coder. His role in the project is grounding our overflowing enthusiasm with realism. < 1167541759 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all in all, not necessarily a bad thing < 1167541773 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :....fuck realism < 1167541778 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like the real world < 1167541781 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we don't need it. < 1167541900 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well.... I really have NO clue how to do a kernel. < 1167541904 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so.... you've got me there. < 1167541938 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can write a kernel, but I don't know what anybody actually wants. < 1167541952 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have some ideas as to how to design one < 1167541956 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah... there's a lot of details you can specify in a kernel. < 1167541973 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so what are the most basic things we need in the kernel? < 1167542010 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1) a memory manager that can take available RAM and disk space and address it as a contiguous region, handling swapping, etc, transparently < 1167542013 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the kernel proper should be an interpreter for a superset of some language (say, Glass) which will provide interface to the hardware. < 1167542022 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1167542033 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :disk control, hardware I/O (a superset of disk control), memory management. < 1167542045 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh... have the kernel be the Glass interpreter... brilliant. < 1167542055 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that language will in turn be used to write the interpreters for other languages < 1167542059 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds solid < 1167542061 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a good hardware layer, all of that can be hypothetically written in the language of choice. < 1167542070 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1167542072 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That like... puts all the OO-ness of Glass directly atop the kernel... sounds good. < 1167542087 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's fine if that's hypothetical, so long as we can actually write things like simple shells et cetera :P < 1167542156 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the task boils down essentially to extending the built-in library for Glass and getting an interpreter for it running on bare metal < 1167542175 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How will we do disk writing? I mean... do we really want hard disk totally independent from virtual memory? < 1167542187 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's kind of annoying to have to save everything to a file explicitly. < 1167542189 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do we want the kernel to run a single language, or several "core" languages? < 1167542207 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe... glass on metal. < 1167542212 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1167542235 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then we just need to call the API "plastic" < 1167542243 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1167542251 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the library "wood" < 1167542257 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahaha < 1167542269 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the whole OS SOAP. < 1167542285 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which has the added benefit of an infinite supply of "my kernel's got wood" jokes < 1167542298 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION DIES
< 1167542298 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, just one. < 1167542304 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Namely, "my kernel's got wood" < 1167542327 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure I can think of another given time < 1167542369 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm... the whole save-to-disk-explicitly thing seems kind of outdated. < 1167542374 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely we can do better than that? :D < 1167542556 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just do it like Uuu- make EVERYTHING virtual memory. As things get paged to disk, they're "auto-saved" < 1167542581 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they do some other stuff too... for efficiency. < 1167542603 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and... sometimes you don't want everything on hard disk. :D < 1167542614 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yeah. Everything is more complex in practice than in theory < 1167542624 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nods* < 1167542629 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just the basic idea. < 1167542974 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, You've been involved in other esoos projects that failed? :D < 1167544072 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good night- I'll return sometime tomorrow < 1167544092 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1167545497 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: More like I've watched other such projects fail :P < 1167546944 0 :ivan`!n=ivan`@wikipedia/ivan JOIN :#esoteric < 1167547451 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, somebody link me to the simplest C BF interpreter on earth :P < 1167547567 0 :ivan`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The future of IRC" < 1167548044 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, well, I can write a BF interpreter as a kernel now :P < 1167548608 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1167551664 0 :Arrogant!n=Arrogatn@50.191.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1167551939 0 :Arrogant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1167551999 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1167552000 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1167555657 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm? < 1167555679 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, chomp < 1167555764 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm doinh yo sleep. < 1167555772 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"fuck you" < 1167558744 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1167560015 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" OK, well, I can write a BF interpreter as a kernel now :P" << wow i'm beginning to think it's gonna happen :D < 1167560021 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the os i mean < 1167560659 0 :ivan`!n=ivan`@wikipedia/ivan JOIN :#esoteric < 1167562858 0 :tgwizard!n=tgwizard@c-9b3ee155.178-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1167564312 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_o)O!(_t)(_o)=/(_t)"test"(_o)o.?(_t)<0>=\" ho"(_o)o.?]} < 1167564314 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ho < 1167564360 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_o)O!(_t)(_o)*=/(_t)"test"(_o)o.?(_t)<0>=\" ho"(_o)o.?]} < 1167564363 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ho < 1167564374 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_o)O!(_t)(_o)o.=/(_t)"test"(_o)o.?(_t)<0>=\" ho"(_o)o.?]} < 1167564377 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ho < 1167564387 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_o)O!(_t)<1>=/(_t)"test"(_o)o.?(_t)<0>=\" ho"(_o)o.?]} < 1167564390 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :test ho < 1167564401 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_o)O!(_t)"hi"=/(_t)"test"(_o)o.?(_t)<0>=\" ho"(_o)o.?]} < 1167564403 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :test ho < 1167564469 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_o)O!(_t)O*=/(_t)"test"(_o)o.?(_t)<0>=\" ho"(_o)o.?]} < 1167564472 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ho < 1167564780 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_o)O!(_t)<-1>=/(_t)"test"(_o)o.?(_t)<0>=\" ho"(_o)o.?]} < 1167564783 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :test ho < 1167564809 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{M[m(_o)O!<-1>(_o)(on).?]} < 1167564828 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{M[m(_o)O!<-1>(_o)o.?]} < 1167564837 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah! < 1167564843 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_o)O!<-1>(_o)o.?]} < 1167564857 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_o)O!<-1>(_o)(on).?]} < 1167564859 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-1 < 1167565269 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1167566660 0 :Sph1nx!n=sphinx@89-178-14-59.broadband.corbina.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1167568236 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1167568490 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1167573408 0 :ivan`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The future of IRC" < 1167573429 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host81-158-88-90.range81-158.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1167573476 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"And remember: you can't spell manslaughter without laughter." < 1167574141 0 :Sph1nx!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"�� �������� ����!" < 1167574646 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks a F98-based OS would be good. You could put everything in one 4gig * 4gig funge-space. It would have to be sparse of course, but wouldn't be too bad on the speed side, and would be a good way to do orthogonal persistance. F98 already has a module system too.
< 1167574752 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OST, why am I assuming Befunge-98? We could use Trefunge-98! < 1167574773 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though Bef-98 allows addresses to fit nicely into a 64-bit word < 1167574786 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually have a sparse trefunge-98 implementation here, but it needs more work. < 1167574921 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am suddenly reminded that the only decent Tref98 editor isin fact written in Tref98 < 1167574952 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, the i and o commands would need to be fiddled. < 1167574965 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o would be great for "OS Call" < 1167574967 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno about i < 1167575092 0 :ivan`!n=ivan`@wikipedia/ivan JOIN :#esoteric < 1167575096 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo < 1167575114 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fingerprints? < 1167575114 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I come to think of it, there would need to be some form of 2D malloc. < 1167575122 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fingerprints are a bit slow. < 1167575178 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :F98 is not afraid of having several ways to do something < 1167575714 0 :jix_!n=jix@L6371.l.strato-dslnet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1167576924 0 :nooga!i=nooga@ip-127.net-11.rev.inter-c.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1167576932 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehhehe helllo < 1167577615 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't suppose any of you where the Tertium Quid webcomic is, do you? < 1167580575 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1167582930 0 :man-X!n=manix@195.252.118.31 JOIN :#esoteric < 1167583274 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1167583304 0 :man-X!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1167583916 0 :RodgerTheGreat!n=Rodger@c-68-42-107-2.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1167584662 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1167586611 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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ACTION comes
< 1167587958 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Bitte waehlen Sie eine Beerdigungnachricht" < 1167588160 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: RE: EsoOS. I think it should just be a PESOIX-compliant interpreter running on bare metal, with the ability to load language modules. < 1167588183 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(add a few PESOIX namespaces, so that one can access more than what bare PESOIX provides) < 1167588189 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PESOIX? < 1167588212 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an additional API for esolangs, which is talked to via stdio. < 1167589379 0 :CakeProphet!n=CakeProp@h152.243.213.151.ip.alltel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1167590330 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, pikhq- what's your opinion on Def-BF vs Glass as a core language? < 1167590392 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The core PESOIX system should be in either ASM or C. . . < 1167590402 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Glass and Def-BF can coexist peacefully on top of this. ;) < 1167590475 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no debate on either of their inclusion- they're both powerful languages. However, we were interested in trying to build the core of the system itself in an esoteric language < 1167590531 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The PESOIX system should be core. . . And it can't be written in Glass or Def-BF. < 1167590539 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They just don't give us enough hardware access. < 1167590575 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea behind using glass was to extend it's builtins to provide those capabilities < 1167590599 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um. . . That'd be called "PESOIX". < 1167590625 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hardware access in Def-BF is rather implicit when you map all of a machine's memory to the tape. < 1167590670 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you *really* want to implement other languages in Def-BF or Glass, well, more power to you. < 1167590688 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shrugs
< 1167592702 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :From what I've seen of glass... it wouldn't be too hard. < 1167592717 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The great thing about abstraction is that... well... given enough block-building, you can do just about anything. < 1167592746 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Thus why I like BFM. . . < 1167592766 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(just one issue with BFM: I'm betting complex datastructures would take lots of Brainfuck code to do right) < 1167592821 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm I got a cons-like list constructor for Glass... and Gregor already has a full-blown list constructor (although he calls it "Arr" for array... it's actually like a linked list) < 1167592857 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose the nest step after that would be hash tables. < 1167592897 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah. Standard template library. :p < 1167592908 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wassat? < 1167592918 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The C++ STL. < 1167592959 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That wouldn't be cool. :P < 1167592980 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You've got linked lists. . . < 1167592985 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's one component. < 1167592993 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hash tables are another. < 1167593002 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to steal from C as little as possible. :D < 1167593048 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the C++ STL is probably the only good thing from C-oids! < 1167593136 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some other changes to Glass might include some more special methods... to make data structures a little less precarious to work with. < 1167593210 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Paticularly... a o__ and on__ method, which should "return" a string and a number respectively.... so we can output data structures via the universal O.o method. < 1167593242 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd be nice. < 1167593259 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be a pain in the ass to call a unique output method for each class... < 1167593309 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And presumably, for lists and arrays, there'd be methods to output specific elements. < 1167593351 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indexing, probably. < 1167593363 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :call the index method with an integer argument. < 1167593429 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There will be an iterator to... it would work something like the map() function in other languages. < 1167593435 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :take a method and call it on each element. < 1167594186 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_o)O!0(_o)o.? (_he)<1>=0(_o)o.?]} < 1167594214 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_o)O! (_he)<1>=0(_o)o.?]} < 1167594235 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_o)O! (_he)<1>=(_o)o.?]} < 1167594246 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aleifhrt. < 1167594256 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable assignments don't push to the stack, neato. < 1167594286 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reading the spec could've told you that. . . < 1167594288 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.... < 1167594300 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes well... specifcations are for nerds. < 1167594315 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Testing is the real man's measuring tape. < 1167594365 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m <1><2>(_o)O!0(_o)o.?0(_o)o.?]} < 1167594376 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m <1><2>(_o)O!0(_o)o.?1(_o)o.?]} < 1167594386 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ps < 1167594390 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 CakeProphet: ps < 1167594394 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m <1><2>(_o)O!0(_o)o.?2(_o)o.?]} < 1167594411 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m <1><2>(_o)O!1(_o)o.?2(_o)o.?]} < 1167594422 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m <1><2>(_o)O!1(_o)o.?]} < 1167594427 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The spec is a description of how the real interpreter behaves. ;) < 1167594434 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m <1><2>(_o)O!0(_o)o.?]} < 1167594444 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The real interpreter is a description of how the real interpreter behaves. :P < 1167594465 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As it just so happens, the spec and the real interpreter are in perfect agreement. < 1167594474 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol ya rite. < 1167594490 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m<1>~O.o~.?]} < 1167594498 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m<1>~O.o~?]} < 1167594500 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ahems* < 1167594501 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m<1>(_o)O!(_o)(on).?]} < 1167594503 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1167594504 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1167594516 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...damnit < 1167594519 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always forget that one. < 1167594524 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m<32>(_o)O!(_o)(o).?]} < 1167594535 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m <1><2>(_o)O!0(_o)(on).?]} < 1167594538 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 < 1167594546 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think O.o outputs numbers. < 1167594568 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't (...reading the spec would have told you that...) < 1167594587 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m <1><2>(_o)O!0(_o)(on).?0(_o)(on).?]} < 1167594590 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22 < 1167594594 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m <1><2>(_o)O!0(_o)(on).?1(_o)(on).?]} < 1167594596 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21 < 1167594604 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay... stack behavior. < 1167594615 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m <1><2>(_o)O!1(_o)(on).?0(_o)(on).?]} < 1167594616 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heheh. < 1167594618 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12 < 1167594650 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... it seems that stack indexing doesn't append that value permanently to the stack. < 1167594684 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think O.o pops it's argument off the stack. < 1167594691 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or... the method calls are eating up... yeah < 1167594693 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you said. < 1167594706 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m <1><2>(_o)O!11(_o)(on).?0(_o)(on).?]} < 1167594710 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21 < 1167594731 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m <1><2>(_o)O!(_o)(on).?(_o)(on).?]} < 1167594734 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21 < 1167594749 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That clinches it. < 1167594754 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1167594884 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm... < 1167594900 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm wondering how I should denote when the list constructor should stop. < 1167594942 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"" wouldn't work... because you might want a "" in your list. < 1167594964 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could specify the length as a number... but that wouldn't work if you don't explicitly know the link. < 1167595204 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...the linked list was a grand idea. < 1167595231 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The specification is now slightly more in sync with the interpreter. < 1167595267 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never trust your specification.... but it does give some good advice now and then. :D < 1167595349 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe... if Glass had some kind of error handling... I could easily use the (Nil) class to specify when to stop. < 1167595368 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feel free to extend glass as necessary :P < 1167595396 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dodod < 1167595421 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION loves Python's exception handling.
< 1167595436 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then you couldn't have empty lists as elements of lists? < 1167595439 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's special about it? < 1167595458 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno enough about other languages exception handling to tell you what's unique about it. :) < 1167595474 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Fix Plof < 1167595481 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'s fors yet? < 1167595532 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think possibly the only values that can be safely tested for are string "" and number 0. < 1167595537 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: The patch is in; he just needs to make a new tarball. < 1167595547 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...yeah. < 1167595559 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: Yeah ... in the darcs repo :P < 1167595573 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"" makes more sense than 0 < 1167595594 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1167595602 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes
< 1167595612 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(vacation) < 1167595645 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because every inquisitive operation other than pure true/false testing probably gives an error on something. < 1167595668 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1167595673 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although... < 1167595684 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you're using all objects that follow a universal protocol. < 1167595694 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which... isn't the case with the base string and integer types. < 1167595729 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_a)A!(_o)O!<1>"hi"(_a)e.?(_o)(on).?]} < 1167595733 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1167595736 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1167595765 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_a)A!(_o)O!<1>(_o)(_a)e.?(_o)(on).?]} < 1167595769 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1167595797 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i may be wrong, A.e seems not to crash when given non-numbers. < 1167595819 0 :Sukoshi!n=user@user-11faaaj.dsl.mindspring.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1167595825 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_a)S!(_o)O!<1>(_o)(_a)e.?(_o)(on).?]} < 1167595828 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1167595850 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither does S.e on non-strings. < 1167595859 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_a)S!(_o)O!(_o)(_o)(_a)e.?(_o)(on).?]} < 1167595862 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1167595872 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_a)S!(_o)O!(_a)(_o)(_a)e.?(_o)(on).?]} < 1167595876 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1167595894 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_a)A!(_o)O!(_o)(_o)(_a)e.?(_o)(on).?]} < 1167595898 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1167595932 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok you apparently _can_ check equality of pretty arbitrary things. < 1167595990 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {(Nil)[(iter),][(null?)1]} {(Con) [(c__)a2=b1=,,] [(car)a*] [(cdr)b*] [(null?)0] [(iter)(_fun)1=,(car)*?(_fun)*?(cdr)*?(iter).?]} {(List)[(build)(_a)A!(_tmp)<1>= (_list)(Nil)!/(_tmp)(_list)*(_list)(Con)!,(_tmp)1""(_s)e.?=\(_list)] } {M[m(_o)O! (_l)(List)! """H" "e" "l" "l" "o" " " "W" "o" "r" "l" "d" "!"(_l)(build).?(MyList)0= (_o)o.(MyList)(iter).?]} < 1167596008 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_a)A!(_o)O!(_o)o.(_o)o.(_a)e.?(_o)(on).?]} < 1167596010 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1167596023 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_a)A!(_o)O!(_o)o.(_o)(on).(_a)e.?(_o)(on).?]} < 1167596027 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1167596036 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops! < 1167596047 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_o)O! < 1167596049 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er... < 1167596049 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi, Sukoshi < 1167596050 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1167596053 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_a)S!(_o)O!(_o)o.(_o)(on).(_a)e.?(_o)(on).?]} < 1167596056 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1167596084 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok it doesn't work so well with functions, it seems. < 1167596104 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, new Plof tarball available. < 1167596111 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_o)O! (_o)(lolbug).?(_o)(on).?]} < 1167596133 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was seeing the behavior for undefined methods. :D < 1167596162 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that undefined methods crash on lookup should be pretty clear from our recent A class problem. < 1167596192 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't even need the ? < 1167596230 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The action when you try to use an undefined method is "undefined" :P < 1167596232 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heya RodgerTheGreat. < 1167596273 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm.... a language without error handling gains more flexibility if it returns data on weird fuckups... whereas a language that has error handling benefits from having all sorts of "error trips" that can happen. < 1167596278 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: are we talking "crash" undefined, or DS9K undefined? < 1167596303 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternatively, you could have the best of both worlds by using error handlers, CakeProphet ;) < 1167596312 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: Depends on the implementation ... it's undefined ;) < 1167596324 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm. Java-ey error handling. < 1167596335 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like Lispy error handling. < 1167596352 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure Python's error handling resembles Java's. < 1167596354 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does lisp do error handling? < 1167596356 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Heck, you can arbitrarily unwind the call stack with it. How is that not cool?) < 1167596363 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OO-ish with some sort of try-except-else-finally statement? < 1167596363 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, nice < 1167596381 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No no. A *lot* more flexible than a try-except-else thinger. < 1167596410 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean try-catch-finally? :P < 1167596417 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whatever. < 1167596420 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, probably. < 1167596426 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Errors in Lisp resemble calls to GOTO in many ways. < 1167596429 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering how Java did errors. < 1167596429 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION throws Exception
< 1167596435 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without the code hell GOTO breeds. < 1167596459 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Java's exception system is a fairly standard try-catch-finally, and you can only throw Objects. < 1167596463 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOTOs only create horrible code in the hands of people who don't know what they're doing < 1167596463 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, you could generalize it to things like try/catch/finally blocks or exception throwing or assertion. < 1167596486 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/generalize/specifize/ < 1167596489 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about exceptions in Brainfuck? < 1167596504 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No such thing. < 1167596505 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on the implementing language. < 1167596507 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Similar to exceptions in Forth. < 1167596511 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :None. < 1167596527 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's called a Try-Fail-OhShit error handling system < 1167596540 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If BF does something weird... it either A. trips an exception in the implementing language or B. goes off on freaky undefined behavior or C. crashes < 1167596546 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever the underlying language would do... < 1167596556 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or D. goes into an infinite loop. < 1167596585 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :divvar, when it performs a divide by 0, does an infinite loop. . . < 1167596585 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's against the spirit of a compiler/interpreter to error-handle transparently to the underlying language. < 1167596594 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could pretty much just call all of it "undefined behavior" since it's.... not... defined. < 1167596606 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi: have you been reading the logs about the esoteric OS discussion? < 1167596613 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: Nope. < 1167596622 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My ISP decided to have its first downtime in a few months. < 1167596680 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :long story short, cakeprophet, gregor, pikhq and I have been thinking about writing an estoeric operating system built with glass and a modified form of BF that has pointers. < 1167596698 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why no pointers? < 1167596703 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How will we bootstrap it? < 1167596715 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, no, we *added* pointers to BF < 1167596719 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Def-BF. < 1167596723 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, yeah, yeah. < 1167596735 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which one of us is will be the ASM guinea pig? < 1167596736 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone still have the link to that spec I wrote? < 1167596745 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure just yet. < 1167596752 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're still discussing kernel design < 1167596759 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what the API needs. < 1167596772 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, who is going to write the BF->ASM compiler? < 1167596786 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably -not- me. :D < 1167596803 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Already got one. . . Heard of awib? :p < 1167596804 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since I'm not familiar with any assembly... or compiler design. < 1167596805 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could try. My experience in ASM lies only in the realm of POSIX-based systems, though. < 1167596820 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: But it can't be dependant on any kernel, remember? < 1167596830 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which means we'll be using interrupts and happy stuff like that. < 1167596849 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We need to be able to wrap interrupts in BF too, and devices, and stuff. Suggestions would be nice :) < 1167596872 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1167596886 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Happy null to you too. < 1167596915 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a nutshell, Def-BF adds the ability to push and pop code and data locations in the form of pointers. < 1167596932 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :four new commands, endless possibilities < 1167596939 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are the commands? < 1167596980 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@- set the program counter to an absolute address, pushing the current location onto a stack < 1167596997 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::- pop the previous location off the stack, and return to it < 1167597014 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#- set the pointer to an absolute address, pushing the current location onto a stack < 1167597034 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;- pop the previous pointer location off the stack, and return to it < 1167597053 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooh. Now BF has a stack. < 1167597064 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I really like it < 1167597093 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is going to be hell to develop :P < 1167597094 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's easy to see how you could abstract it a little to build a high-level language < 1167597113 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. Forth in Def-BF. < 1167597122 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd be fun < 1167597134 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are we going to build Glass on top of BF? Ouch. < 1167597143 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Easy with C2BF ;) < 1167597144 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other way around. < 1167597147 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think. < 1167597147 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the consensus is to go the other way < 1167597163 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it's already done ;) < 1167597172 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Glass is a much better build-block language.... and yeah... < 1167597179 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's already done... just without the new commands. < 1167597180 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like Def-BF myself, but Glass is easier to extend to allow low-level hardware access < 1167597192 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One request! < 1167597197 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Add in structs! < 1167597197 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What!? < 1167597201 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1167597202 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1167597209 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds too much like C... < 1167597215 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously. How can you build data structures without structs? < 1167597217 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what they do... but... oh well. < 1167597222 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Glass has a classes. < 1167597223 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't glass simulate that already? < 1167597225 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :classes < 1167597228 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1167597234 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But y'all are forgetting the very point of structs! < 1167597238 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer exposing low-level stuff via PESOIX so that all the languages can get low-level stuff. :p < 1167597239 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A struct is contiguous in memory! < 1167597253 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION points to his linked list constructor, and Gregor's array class.
< 1167597271 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But how can you name subsets of the arrays? < 1167597273 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, If Glass has all the low level stuff built-in... we can just use glass to give all of them that. < 1167597289 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi, Hmmm? < 1167597290 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: That'll work. < 1167597293 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really don't want to have to set up methods per-class that simulate assignment to a subset. It's painful. < 1167597296 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Raar < 1167597304 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Def-BF can effectively have structs, and you can compile a higher level language that incorporates them *into* Def-BF < 1167597325 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was talking about Glass. < 1167597325 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could even make C2BF support structs! < 1167597339 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think what we're going to do is make the kernel an interpreter for Glass. :D < 1167597350 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: my thoughts exactly < 1167597352 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so Glass is... like... -the- kernel. < 1167597356 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION suddenly got a vision of a Lisp machine and drools.
< 1167597366 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, there we go < 1167597379 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooh... lisp. < 1167597394 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lisp would be a great starter language to do all this in. :D < 1167597412 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's already a similar project for CL --> Movitz. < 1167597433 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would only be esoteric if we used a minimal lisp implementation as the base < 1167597447 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just think it would be more amazing that we actually built an operating system out of languages like Glass and modified-BFs :D < 1167597484 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scheme is pretty minimal. < 1167597499 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plof is pretty minimal (ha-HAH) < 1167597509 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I say minimal, I mean tarpit < 1167597512 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT SCHEME. < 1167597527 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL WHY? < 1167597529 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scheme has almost *no* programmer metaphors for pointers. < 1167597541 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :....damn pointers. < 1167597549 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :embrace pointers < 1167597559 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you resist pointers? < 1167597568 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION immediately conjures up images of an evil C monster stabbing him with sharp pointers.
< 1167597573 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're insanely useful when you're working at a low level < 1167597595 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because of my lack of knowledge and irrational disdain for anything that reminds me of C? < 1167597599 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crapp reason I know... < 1167597602 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION huggles C
< 1167597603 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pointers have nothing to do with C, C coders just overuse them for bizarre hacks < 1167597618 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, C coders overuse them because C doesn't give us much else ;) < 1167597634 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I guess that's true as well < 1167597642 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I knew more about them... and how to use them... I would probably like them more. < 1167597655 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anybody want my BF-interpreting kernel? :) < 1167597659 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How hard is it to imagine memory contents and a memory address? < 1167597671 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Like I said, who's the ASM guinea pig? < 1167597678 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: did you code it just now, or has this been sitting around? < 1167597692 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi, I know -what- they are... I just have no earthly idea why they'd be useful. < 1167597702 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for < 1167597703 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I coded it yesterday - too lazy to get Glass working yet and I'm having problems with IRQs that need to be resolved first anyway :P < 1167597707 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION suffers a small aneurism
< 1167597713 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Aha! < 1167597726 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Intepreter or compiler? < 1167597732 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreter. < 1167597732 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: How do you implement a linked list? < 1167597740 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: think you could add the Def-BF command set? < 1167597744 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Errr, interactive? < 1167597751 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: I think /you/ could add the Def-BF command set ;) < 1167597759 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi, with cons pairs? < 1167597762 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi: Not yet, I don't have IRQs working (necessary for keyboard input) < 1167597772 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Does ASM magically give you cons pains? < 1167597783 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi, ...probably not. < 1167597801 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: I guess I could take a stab at it- can I see the code? < 1167597832 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi, I've never ventured into low level stuff. Abstraction -hides- this shit from me.... < 1167597848 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sukoshi, Do go on. :D < 1167597861 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anybody have a SVN repo sittin' around for me to toss it in? :P < 1167597881 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, You made a.... kernel? < 1167597953 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah - it's a multiboot kernel sans anything fancy with a BF interpreter bolted in :P < 1167597968 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has no memory management, it has no IRQ support, it has no support for processes. < 1167598002 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We can make it fancier later, I guess. < 1167598016 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and bolt a Glass interpreter in... what's it written in? < 1167598023 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C, I bet. < 1167598053 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course it's written in C ya' bloody idjits :P < 1167598056 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh... correction: -You- can make it fancier later... < 1167598062 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C is the only language to write kernels in. < 1167598082 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, Bullshit. :P < 1167598114 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, with a bit of work, C++ could work too. < 1167598117 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!n=Rodger@c-68-42-107-2.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1167598119 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ASM of course. < 1167598135 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arrgh < 1167598137 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :friggin' wifi < 1167598140 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there you have the complete list of every language that any pseudo-mainstream kernel has ever been written in ;) < 1167598158 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, There are languages that don't exist yet... and those that people haven't tried. < 1167598208 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, A kernel written in the most common kernel-writing language ever isn't really a very positive claim for an esoteric operating system... but it'll do. :P < 1167598238 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main reason people write kernels in C is... wait for it... wait for it... because other people have written kernels in C before. < 1167598249 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zomg < 1167598251 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1167598253 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't really have anything to do with the language < 1167598275 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like how people use qwerty because everyone knows qwerty and that's what they're taught to use. < 1167598275 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, the primary reason that people write kernels in C is that C is high-level enough to be sane to write in, but low-level enough that you can F*** around with the hardware. < 1167598281 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlike whatever language you were about to mention. < 1167598306 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FORTH is equally valid a language for writing a kernel < 1167598324 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's just what pops into my head < 1167598349 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe... so is Glass With Hardware Shit Bolted On. :D < 1167598350 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in some senses, FORTH *is* a kernel < 1167598375 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION likes FORTH himself.
< 1167598544 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course... we can always draft up a new esolang with lots and lots of hardware support that's just ALMOST sane to write in... and name it The Esoteric Language For Writing Kernels In.... it'll be like C. < 1167598567 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it grows in popularity... people will start using TELFWKI forpretty much everything. < 1167598574 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you recall, that's what Def-BF was originally supposed to be < 1167598604 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat But... Def-BF wouldn't work well for that... now that I think about it. < 1167598759 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought we weren't writing it in C. < 1167598770 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if it's in C, then we can bootstrap it pretty easily. < 1167598789 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We weren't... and might not. < 1167598825 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A flat memory model Forth is incredibly easy to work with to develop hardware. < 1167598871 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1167598909 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I say we do it in true esolang fashion... make a new language for doing the job. (Def-BF would work... but not well.) < 1167599018 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :RodgerTheGreat < 1167599187 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm... FORTH does sound good though. It would work great for definiing new grammar (such as for writing an interpreter over the kernel) < 1167599205 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's reverse polish notation.... which makes it fun. :D < 1167599257 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh... implementing Glass over FORTH wouldn't even require much of a parser. < 1167599451 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I the only person who thinks it's irrelevent if the very core interpreter is written in C? :P < 1167599565 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's very relevant. :o < 1167599569 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see it as a huge issue, but I detest coding in C. If the kernel is C, I'm not writing it < 1167599582 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. of course we will bootstrap a Glass compiler in Glass later. < 1167599589 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah... that too. < 1167599615 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not Forth though? :D < 1167599618 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, if you can compile Glass to metal plus have proper hardware abstraction in there, more power too ya'. < 1167599625 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/too /to / < 1167599675 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FORTH is like Glass minus classes plus tons of low-level hardware support. < 1167599702 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...delimited by whitespace. :D < 1167599739 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pffffffff < 1167599742 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whitespace is for pansies. < 1167599748 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except in the language Whitespace. < 1167599775 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hell, FORTH can fucking compile itself. :D < 1167599857 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm... it's kind of weird that the class and function syntax of Glass is the only part that's not RPN < 1167599871 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless... } is the actual begin-class command. :D < 1167599941 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: You're not the only one who thinks that. < 1167600026 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Thank you X_X < 1167600124 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wants to see the core interpreter in C, with various interpreter modules. . .
< 1167600161 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forth forth forth!!! < 1167600163 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1167600176 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah... whatever you wanna do. < 1167600179 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :svn co https://brainfuck.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/brainfuck/esokern/trunk < 1167600206 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not the one doing the coding... plus it's a minor consideration. < 1167600228 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except.. I can't read or code in C very well... so I can't do much with the kernel, not that I would normally want to muck with the kernel. < 1167600244 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION does C decently
< 1167600249 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do Tcl natively. . . < 1167600254 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1167600485 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Developers, developers everywhere, and not a drop of C X_X < 1167600505 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woo < 1167601291 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck C. < 1167601304 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) (smileys make things sound nicer) < 1167601316 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!n=Rodger@c-68-42-107-2.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1167601332 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION waves.
< 1167601340 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi again < 1167601351 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :curse this unreliable connection < 1167601570 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've developed a liking to postfix notation. :) < 1167601684 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RPN is great < 1167601717 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION strokes his Hp-12C lovingly
< 1167601751 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to do a confusing infix notation language. :D < 1167601753 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1167602015 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wants an HP calc
< 1167602032 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION laughs reading the scrollback of you guys arguing
< 1167602312 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is amused as she reads above.
< 1167602318 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm fine coding in either C or Forth. < 1167602356 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just, the nature of low-level code tends to favor Forth a bit more, IMO. < 1167602373 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Because it's easier to build up (much like Lisp)) < 1167602560 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sees "she"
< 1167602565 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION drools
< 1167602587 0 :Sukoshi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The main plus is that Forth is interactive. < 1167602688 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1167602698 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: Hands off ya' blimey pervert! < 1167603900 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1167603908 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep getting disconnected < 1167606820 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why, happy new year! < 1167607218 0 :RodgerTheGreat!n=Rodger@c-68-42-107-2.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1167607398 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1167608246 0 :RodgerTheGreat_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1167609361 0 :cmeme!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1167609442 0 :cmeme!n=cmeme@boa.b9.com JOIN :#esoteric