00:47:42 <Pikhq> lament: Anyone who needs the number 0.
00:49:53 <Pikhq> 1997, of course, equals MCX7.
00:51:40 <Pikhq> Err. . . That's wrong.
01:14:34 <Pikhq> But 10 is shorter still (base unspecified). :p
01:44:11 <fizzie> Many rules frown on CIC and want CXCIX instead.
01:45:01 <fizzie> "Thus, one should represent the number "ninety-nine" as XCIX, not as the "shortcut" IC. However, these rules are not universally followed." says Wikipedia on "XCIX or IC".
01:45:04 <Pikhq> I frown on positive-integer-only numerics.
01:45:34 <fizzie> But remember: A frown takes N muscles, while a smile takes only M, with N >> M.
01:46:34 <Pikhq> Yes. Thus, a numeral system which *can* represent all real numbers (assuming infinite storage) is easier than one that can only store postive integers.
01:47:09 <Pikhq> (and, with some additions, the real number numeral system also handles complex numbers)
02:13:03 <lament> Pikhq: adding a '-' in front of roman numerals is not any different from adding it in front of decimal numerals.
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23:52:17 <bsmntbombdood> that turing machine in the topic has no halt state
23:54:22 <oerjan> you can use any halting computation to test, i think
23:54:47 <oerjan> any halting computation to set up, too
23:55:10 <lament> bsmntbombdood: to check when to halt, you analyze the state
23:55:35 <lament> bsmntbombdood: but the rule for halting has to be sufficiently simple
23:55:47 <oerjan> basically, you code and decode a computation from/into this machine using some other program.
23:57:39 <oerjan> the point is that the de/coder should be simple enough that you know _it_ is not providing the universality
23:58:05 <oerjan> hm, simply being halting may not be enough
23:58:51 <lament> you just have to satisfy the committee
23:59:06 <lament> which, realistically, shouldn't be difficult unless you're actually cheating