00:11:34 I think you're made. 00:11:39 mad, even. 00:11:53 a creationist! 00:22:52 -!- c|p has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 00:23:17 -!- c|p has joined. 00:46:03 -!- atrapado has quit ("dur mir"). 01:42:10 -!- sebbu has quit ("@+"). 03:29:34 zzzz 03:31:13 yyyy 04:09:50 -!- ihope has joined. 04:09:51 xxxx 04:10:06 wow! 04:10:14 Wow? 04:10:17 the logreading alphabet 04:10:25 Actually, I used my spy. 04:10:35 ...who will drop out along with me in a moment. 04:10:47 #quit 04:10:48 I guess it's still log-reading. 04:10:51 #reset 04:10:57 I have no idea. 04:11:30 #quit 04:11:37 Huh... 04:11:45 #quit egad 04:11:46 -!- EagleBot has quit. 04:11:52 Necessary to have something after it. 04:11:56 -!- EagleBot has joined. 04:11:57 I don't know why. 04:12:29 -!- EagleBot has quit (Nick collision from services.). 04:12:47 -!- EagleBot has joined. 04:12:53 #quit it puts the message in the basket 04:12:53 -!- EagleBot has quit (Client Quit). 04:12:59 D'oh. 04:13:03 -!- EagleBot has joined. 04:13:38 too many oreos make a man fat tired and sick 04:14:24 #quit grah 04:14:24 -!- EagleBot has quit (Client Quit). 04:14:33 -!- EagleBot has joined. 04:14:47 freenode's problem, not yours 04:15:12 How do you know it's theirs? 04:15:33 it could be freenodes problem 04:15:49 quit messages are ignored unless youve been connected for long enough 04:16:00 Oh! 04:16:01 That's. . . Weird. 04:16:03 Ah. 04:16:28 Your mom's weird. 04:16:34 Obviously what's more important is #magic !say See? 04:16:37 Sukoshi: Yeah. And? 04:16:51 pikhq: Stuff. 04:16:53 On a side note, it's been a while since I've seen you in chat. 04:17:02 Yeh. 04:17:12 Well, in and *talking*. 04:17:19 Where'd you disappear to? 04:17:30 -!- Otakubot has joined. 04:17:31 oh Sukoshi is here 04:17:42 nooo she be bringin her bot 04:17:43 ?say Yeah, I am. 04:17:43 Yeah, I am. 04:17:59 I haven't gotten the time yet to hack in useful functions. So all you have is ?say and ?random. 04:18:01 Grr. Gregor, get EgoBot up, so we can abuse it some more! 04:18:05 ?random 20 04:18:05 1 04:18:45 There's a Rube Goldberg machine in here, where we use EgoBot, bsmnt_bot, and EagleBot to make it look like we're adding commands to EgoBot. 04:19:09 Well, ?say gives you that power. 04:19:14 ?say I am supreme. 04:19:14 I am supreme. 04:19:18 Except not with EgoBot. 04:19:51 I'll be hacking this as time goes by, and I doubt Otakubot will go down as I hack at it. 04:20:23 The !ext command is parsed by bsmnt_bot, which sends "#magic !say False command: $foo" to EagleBot, which sends !say to Egobot. 04:20:24 oh no 04:20:30 the oeros are so yummy 04:21:02 That, at least, I *think* is the series of commands. 04:21:19 Sukoshi: You should know that I've gone ape-shit insane in the past few months. 04:21:30 BFM is now PEBBLE, and basm is now PFUCK. . . 04:21:35 And both have SVN repositories. 04:21:41 i'm going ape-shit insane 04:21:57 (neither of which I've committed to in a while; I've done absolutely nothing in the past couple of weeks) 04:21:59 it's the heat 04:22:03 and the moving 04:22:32 Also, there's a 1.0 release of PFUCK out, and I'll have a 1.0 release of PEBBLE just as soon as I care to get some *decent* documentation for the whole thing. 04:22:44 but my new house has air conditioning yay 04:22:54 And I should stop ranting about the changes I've made in it before I make people hate me for saying this all a second time. 04:24:27 i loves you 04:24:34 ... 04:24:56 I'm not sure I want a guy who loves you for shutting up to love me. 04:25:21 that's not what i meant 04:25:50 Then what exactly *did* you mean? 04:26:14 can't be sure 04:26:29 (I encourage you to say what you mean and mean what you say. It's even the Befunge way!) 04:26:35 s/Befunge/Malbolge/ 04:26:45 How that transistion got made in my head, I may never know. 04:29:19 postfix pronouns and english muffins make for a sensational trundle 04:30:03 Complaining about English again? 04:30:47 come up with an english class expression machine yet? 04:31:43 Just one. 04:31:45 English. 04:32:28 a simpler than english english class expression machine 04:32:56 or even better the simplest possible english class expression machine 04:34:06 Simpler than English is easy. 04:34:12 The Germanic subset of English. 04:34:52 not much simpler 04:35:24 No, it's a good deal simpler. 04:35:27 -!- EagleBot has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 04:35:35 Getting rid of almost all technical vocabulary. 04:35:42 english is C++, the germanic subset is maybe...Java, and i want a turing machine 04:35:43 It's syntax, though, is exactly the same. 04:35:52 or a lambda calculus 04:36:08 No, the Germanic subset is closer to assembly. 04:36:18 i don't know, but i doubt it 04:36:40 -!- ihope has quit (Connection timed out). 04:37:47 bsmntbombdood: That gets rid of basically every word newer than the year 200. 04:38:03 vocabulary isn't much 04:38:03 (discounting linguistic morphings of words that existed back then) 04:38:22 Tell that to RISC/CISC flamewar fans. 04:38:50 it matters in execution speed, but not computability 04:38:55 Granted, it's not the ultimately simple. 04:39:20 all natural languages suck! 04:39:43 oklopol: then you will like my challenge 04:39:58 i've taken it years ago. 04:40:03 Obviously what you want is something similar to Toki Pona. 04:40:15 hmm... the one in new zealand? 04:40:16 or 04:40:19 the simplist english class expression machine will probably supremely unnatural 04:40:25 hmm, i confuse countries easily 04:40:36 No, it's a conlang. 04:40:36 http://www.tokipona.org/nimi.html 04:40:40 The entire vocabulary.l 04:40:40 oh 04:41:25 And I do believe it's designed by an Esperantist. . . 04:41:34 http://www.tokipona.org/eo.html See? 04:42:06 "fruit, pulpy vegetable, mushroom" i don't think so mister 04:43:00 I'm sating that you want something *similar*, not that that's exactly what you desire. 04:43:04 -!- boily has joined. 04:43:16 s/sating/stating/ 04:43:17 bsmntbombdood: what's wrong with that? 04:43:44 oklopol: it's not needed 04:44:11 hmm... i guess "eat" and "object" suffice 04:44:18 i mean 04:44:26 eatable object 04:44:43 plus, since everything is an object, you might have syntactic sugar for that 04:44:48 toki pona also looks very imprecise 04:44:53 like in english, "eation" 04:44:54 -- 04:45:02 Granted. 04:45:04 "eatoken" 04:45:31 bsmntbombdood: Well, fine. *There's* your English equivalent. 04:45:37 s/English/Assembly/. 04:45:42 I hate my brain sometimes. 04:46:30 imprecise isn't eligible for consideration 04:46:46 Obviously not the linguistic equivalent of a Turing machine, but it's much simpler than English. 04:46:55 Oh, imprecision makes it ineligible? 04:47:07 Well, then. The mere *concept* of language is ineligible. 04:47:14 i guess to be precise you have to add vocabulary 04:47:29 To be precise you have to engage in telepathy. 04:47:39 well, the expression machine could have _one_ imprecision operator 04:47:55 Which would be the sole operator. -_-' 04:48:13 Human language, unlike computer languages, is by it's *very nature* imprecise. 04:48:35 If you wish for something that isn't, then you're not asking for a human-language equivalent expression machine. 04:50:39 ok, no less precise than english 04:50:54 There we go. 04:51:01 That's actually a meaningful statement. 04:51:15 Bitch to do in a simplistic language, but at least meaningful. ;) 04:51:56 toki pona site gives "crazy water" as a translation for alchohol 04:52:02 -!- c|p has quit ("Leaving"). 04:52:21 maybe you have to trade precision for less vocabulary 04:53:09 a liquid that can be deboured which upon devouring makes crazy <<< easy to make enough syntactic sugar to make that a short word 04:53:13 *devoured 04:53:33 devoured == eat/drink, since i don't see an important difference 04:54:03 syntactic sugar == "stupid > stupidity" kinda thing 04:54:13 what do you call it now... 04:54:27 crazy water is not right, alcohol is not water 04:54:30 stupid is different from stupidity 04:54:32 nor is it crazy 04:54:51 I'd assume that "simpler" includes grammer. 04:54:52 bsmntbombdood: i mean deriving words from others 04:55:03 oklopol: "water", I assume, is overloading to include liquid. 04:55:03 pikhq: yes 04:55:11 okay 04:55:16 anyway, alcohol is not crazy 04:55:28 But it does make you crazy. 04:55:33 or then you have some weird semantics on "crazy"... 04:55:35 Well. "crazy". 04:55:44 am i crazy if i make you go mad? 04:55:46 other liquids make you crazy too 04:55:49 bsmntbombdood: Esperanto-style grammer, perhaps? 04:56:00 alcohol *has to do* with crazy 04:56:02 That does seem equivalently expressive to English, grammer-wise. 04:56:03 i'm not familiar, but maybe 04:56:13 _lack_ of water makes you go crazy too 04:56:13 Different, but equivalent. 04:56:48 Hmm. A few things could probably be cut out of that, though. 04:57:42 in toki pona, "i'm drunk", "i'm crazy", "i'm foolish", "i'm weird" all are the same 04:58:30 i'm crazy because i drank crazy water, i'm crazy because my head is ill 04:58:38 easy to fix 04:58:46 lol, "anus" is "back orfice" 04:58:54 Which makes sense in the context of Toki Pona's purpose, but not in the context of the purpose of an English-equivalent expression machine. . . 04:59:26 english does that with having millions of words, i find that idiotic 05:00:03 oklopol: addition of vocabulary increases expressivity 05:00:14 it would be easy to have a way to create new words from the existing ones with suffices and perhaps having a better pronoun system as well 05:00:26 bsmntbombdood: how? 05:00:53 "Giant" == "Very big". "Enormous" == "Very, very big". "Huge" == "Very, very, very big". 05:00:59 synonyms all have slightly different meanings 05:01:00 "Really" == "Very, very". 05:01:10 For the most part, they imply degrees. 05:01:25 not all synonyms 05:01:27 Repitition of a degree indicator can serve the same purpose. 05:01:35 bsmntbombdood: you can tell the difference with other words as needed 05:02:35 You know. . . If you count various English euphemisms, sayings, etc. . . There's no such *thing* as an English-equivalent expression machine short of English itself. 05:03:38 i can't think of any synonyms as an example 05:04:51 it's true not every drinkable liquid that makes one go crazy is alcohol, which is why you would have to make a more thorough definition and make a constant for it, meaning it *would* be a single underived words 05:04:53 *word 05:05:50 i like toki pona though 05:06:34 simplicity prevents doublespeak 05:06:41 hmm, i have a test at the university in 2 hours 05:06:43 doublespeak is the wrong word 05:06:46 and i have no idea where.- 05:07:43 cocaine is "energy powder" 05:08:30 that's stupid... 05:09:02 coffee is "hot engergy water" 05:09:32 iced starbucks abominations can't be expressed 05:10:33 hmm 05:11:11 no description of grammar on the site 05:14:39 you take an empty stack, push 1, pop 5, push 5, pop 1, then destroy the stack. 05:14:40 it needs a time machine to work, though. 05:14:40 and of course if you don't push 5 after popping 5, the universe collapses. 05:14:52 in an interpreter, you would need an oracle :) 05:15:23 which would find out which popped number would lead that same number pushed later 05:15:32 * oerjan imagines something heavily dataflow based 05:17:23 "woman" is the same word as "wife" 05:21:21 bsmntbombdood: strangely enough in norwegian, "man" is the same word as "husband" 05:21:50 how do you differentiate? 05:22:04 by context, like anything else 05:22:39 a man walked down the street 05:22:42 well the latter word is usually with a possessive 05:23:23 oh right 05:23:30 oh and there is a more precise word for husband just in case 05:23:35 and "my man" is pretty much the same as husband 05:23:50 -!- shinh has joined. 05:26:45 Ia Ia Cthulhu... uh, Something? 05:26:46 Fthagn? 05:26:47 CoF! 05:39:55 i'm gonna learn some toki pona 05:40:54 Esperanto estas plej bona. 05:41:31 toki pona has a completely different purpose than esperanto 05:42:18 with a quick show of hands, (and we're talking *actual* programming tasks here, not just esolang dev work), who prefers RPN, prefix and algebraic notation? <<< oklotalk has teh perfect system, you look at that when it's ready :) 05:42:32 infix without implicit precedence and prefix. 05:42:47 that's no good 05:43:12 implicit precedence is what makes infix infix 05:54:09 -!- GreaseMonkey has joined. 06:05:28 bsmntbombdood: this is what i thought at first, but i've started liking how you can do everything in simple sequences 06:06:51 it's true math needs some serious parenting, but works well for most tasks 06:08:03 Sukoshi: Esperanto estas plej bona, sed Toki Pona estas tre simpla lingvon. 06:08:47 Obviously what oklopol is referring to would be the equivalent of *requiring* parens for each infix statement. . . 06:09:03 2+2*2 would *have* to be (2+(2*2)) 06:09:07 ;) 06:09:14 exactly 06:09:30 -!- oerjan has quit ("Good night"). 06:09:31 Interesa, sed mi malsxatas. 06:10:06 well, 2+(2*2), i don't see a need for the outer ones 06:10:16 Sukoshi: s/lingvon/lingvo/ 06:10:20 (mi pensas) 06:10:29 oklopol: Lisp sees a reason for it. 06:10:41 . . . Infix Lisp, anyone? :p 06:10:49 heh 06:11:39 (opr par) {par opr par} [par opr] <<< lisp with every possibility :P 06:11:52 (+ 5 [4 2 *]) 06:12:11 Unary functions can be called via prefix or postfix; binary called via infix, and n-ary where n>2 via foo(bar,baz,qux). 06:12:13 hmm... 06:12:23 infix might need parens around the parameters 06:12:45 Thus, we obtain (5+5) and (++5) and (5++) and +(5,5,5). . . 06:13:02 {1 5 * 1} might just as well mean 1 (5 as function) [*, 1] 06:13:06 I assume functions taking no argument wouldn't need to care about calling semantics. 06:13:44 Given that + == + == +. ;) 06:13:59 . . . Damn, that could actually be an interesting language. 06:14:02 pikhq: every function can just have 1 argument 06:14:24 hmm 06:14:33 oklopol: What, a list of arguments? 06:14:37 Then it's Lisp. 06:14:39 yes 06:14:55 lisp with more calling conventions, yes 06:15:03 well, not calling conventions 06:15:05 fixes 06:15:12 Semantics. 06:15:36 yeah,. but i see your way is cool 06:15:50 now that i understand what you meanb 06:16:01 Bit harder/cleaner to parse, but an interesting idea. 06:16:08 s/cleaner/dirtier/ 06:16:29 but, how do you do (A B), you don't know which one the function is 06:16:41 this is why i had all the parens in use 06:16:57 Obviously, one needs to get rid of the postfix option for unary. 06:17:12 Which means that (A B) can *only* be A with B as the argument. 06:17:25 good 06:17:33 And (A B C) can only be B with A and C as the arguments. 06:17:53 And (A(B,C,D)) can only be A with B,C, and D as the arguments. Etc.) 06:21:27 Think I'm insane yet? 06:21:52 -!- boily has quit ("WeeChat 0.2.5"). 07:08:53 ?say No. 07:08:57 No. 07:18:37 Obviously, I've failed at my job. 07:19:20 ?say how good is this bot? 07:19:21 how good is this bot? 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 08:07:23 I need to code in some more functions. 08:07:42 But firstly, I have to clean up some of the handler code to macro out the regexps. 08:09:17 -!- Figs has joined. 08:09:19 hello! 08:10:46 * Figs has been put to shame 08:10:57 I make a math parser in 1000 lines of C++, 500k 08:11:05 guy does it in 88 lines of pascal 08:11:09 4k output 08:11:17 actually 350k 08:11:20 (For me) 08:11:35 there is something wrong with this, me thinks. 08:12:40 Well, Pascal avoids a lot of edge cases by having a strict syntax. 08:12:55 But is Pascal used anywhere but the roguelike world? 08:14:22 this guy's writing a compiler in pascal 08:14:34 88 lines of code, he has working object code for the 68k 08:14:41 *it outputs 08:14:52 Is it that much different from C? 08:14:57 granted, he limited it to 1 letter variables and 1 character numbers 08:15:02 but that was to show the concepts 08:15:18 I'm sure he could fix it to do more with about 25 lines max 08:15:33 it's proceedural 08:15:35 mine is OO 08:15:49 sukoshi, I don't know 08:15:53 Oh, you did yours in C++, not C. 08:15:54 probably not 08:15:57 yeah, C++ 08:16:07 mine is pretty complex for such a simple thing 08:16:22 Who uses C++ to make compilers? :P 08:16:29 I do 08:16:52 http://rafb.net/p/ZWlWTj48.html 08:16:57 here's the source for main.cpp 08:17:01 the main part of my program 08:17:12 I wrote the regex.h header (and the other 8 files it works with :P) 08:17:29 sorry 08:17:31 14 files 08:20:36 -!- Figs_ has joined. 08:20:41 -!- Figs has quit (Nick collision from services.). 08:20:43 -!- Figs_ has changed nick to Figs. 08:20:49 :| 08:21:05 freenode didn't like me saying positive things about proceedural... 08:21:21 C PWNZ C++ 08:21:29 Nah, I think it's your connection ;) 08:21:55 probably is, but that'd make my conspiracy theories so much harder to believe :| 08:22:01 :P 08:22:31 maybe I'm just a messy coder 08:25:09 is it a bad thing that I don't like to scan before I parse? 08:26:50 I dun see why anyone would need C++ for it though. 08:26:57 I'd just use pointer foo. 08:27:06 'pointer foo'? :P 08:27:31 I guess I don't *really* need C++ 08:27:35 but it makes it easier 08:27:38 things like vectors 08:27:43 std::string 08:27:56 boost::lexical_cast 08:28:04 Hard to understand concepts? 08:28:08 operator overloading 08:28:12 ? 08:28:15 what? 08:28:18 Nahh, why doubt pointers when they're easy to visualize? 08:28:29 C++ abstractions never really agreed with me. 08:28:34 I use pointers quite a bit 08:28:52 I just find the pre-packaged containers to be a lot easier to deal with 08:29:20 and I know they're not likely to fuck up the memory management 08:29:38 Well, C++ abstractions are on the wonker side. 08:29:44 I have a hard time with the weird stuff. 08:29:48 you should see my regex code :) 08:32:11 I overloaded >>, +, *(unary), |, and maybe some others... 08:32:49 and built it so that all my regex objects would be able to stick to each other the right way 08:33:05 (because they return references to themselves) 08:39:04 anyway 08:40:12 do you think it's a good idea to have _one_ numeric type in a language? 08:41:00 like, an arbitrary length rational number... 08:41:37 ?say Yay. 08:41:37 Yay. 08:41:42 Success! 08:41:46 My macro works! 08:43:19 :) 08:43:24 is that a yes? 08:44:01 ?random 3 08:44:03 0 08:44:04 ?random 3 08:44:04 1 08:44:09 Yay. The macro works yet still. 08:44:14 The magic: 08:44:16 ?dice 9 08:44:18 Errr... 08:44:22 ?dice 3d4 08:44:27 Unimplemented, right? 08:46:11 ?say hello. 08:46:20 :( 08:48:03 ooh 08:48:09 gmp is lgpl?! 08:48:10 :D 08:48:20 hello. 08:48:33 Sorry, when playing with my local REPL, I unhook the main loop. 08:48:46 I haven't gotten around to implementing ?eval just yet. 08:53:14 * Figs just finished eval yesterday :D 08:53:22 my math calculator app 08:58:34 ?dice 3d20 09:00:16 ?dice 3d20 09:00:34 ?dice 3d20 09:00:34 22 09:00:38 :) 09:00:41 ?dice 3d10 09:00:41 25 09:04:34 ?dice 3d6 09:04:35 11 09:04:40 ?dice 3d6 09:04:40 8 09:04:46 niece :D 09:31:42 sukoshi is your niece? O.o 09:31:44 :| 09:33:12 :-P 09:34:33 you know 09:34:41 internet advertising makes no bloody sense 09:35:33 banner advertising implying sex, click it, and it says, 'tell us where to send your $100 gift card' 09:35:34 :P 09:35:45 see? 09:35:49 the internet is insane 09:35:56 cause !-> effect 09:36:33 fack 09:36:35 *fuck 09:36:45 now firefox quit because of another stupid ad 09:36:48