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00:07:30 <ihope> ~exec self.raw("PRIVMSG #esoteric :rheet")
00:07:30 <bsmnt_bot> rheet
00:07:38 <ihope> ~exec self.raw("PRIVMSG #esoteric :rheat")
00:07:39 <bsmnt_bot> rheat
00:09:58 <ihope> ~exec self.raw("PRIVMSG #esoteric :rheet")
00:09:59 <bsmnt_bot> rheet
00:10:02 <ihope> Yay!
00:15:50 <Sukoshi> Gah RodgerTheGreat.
00:16:00 <RodgerTheGreat> ?
00:16:04 <Sukoshi> RodgerTheGreat: Do you think the game should be windowed?
00:16:17 <Sukoshi> And if so, what resolution should we aim to make the tiles viewable at?
00:16:41 <RodgerTheGreat> hm
00:17:06 <RodgerTheGreat> well, do we *want* the game to look like something for the SNES, or do we want it to look more modern?
00:20:23 <RodgerTheGreat> if you want it to look "oldschool", you're best off running the game in fullscreen at 640x480 or similar
00:21:21 <RodgerTheGreat> to make better use of an 1024x768 or larger screen, make it windowed and make your graphics twice their pixel-required size
00:30:49 <RodgerTheGreat> I'll be back in a bit
00:31:26 <Sukoshi> Grr. Sorry again :P
00:31:52 <Sukoshi> Hmm. Yeah, I think we'll have to scale the graphics.
00:31:59 <Sukoshi> But how ... in SDL ... I'm not sure.
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02:01:26 <oklopol> reading "How to develop a super power memory"... taught me how to remember 20 objects in sequence in one page
02:01:39 <oklopol> so far so good
02:01:53 <ihope> 20 objects in sequence?
02:01:57 <oklopol> soon i can remove my hd
02:02:05 <ihope> :-)
02:02:05 <oklopol> cake, plate, computer, cat, ...
02:02:40 <oklopol> learning numbers now, the system sounds feasible so far
02:04:39 <oklopol> so cool... i always knew the key to remembering numbers was to have a number->object hashtable
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02:05:00 <ihope> Hash table?
02:05:19 <oklopol> but the hashtable can actually be formed on the fly using special phonetic sounds for different numbers
02:05:29 <oklopol> hashtable... dictionary
02:05:41 <oklopol> the datatype where you assosiate
02:05:50 <ihope> You should get synaesthesia!
02:05:56 <ihope> Not that I know any way of doing that.
02:06:37 <oklopol> what is that?
02:06:58 <oklopol> a decease?
02:07:05 <ihope> Perceptions invoking other perceptions.
02:07:23 <ihope> Like the perception of the number or numeral 3 invoking the perception of blue.
02:07:32 <oklopol> i got it, yeah
02:07:36 <oklopol> that's a hash table.
02:07:54 <ihope> You say things like "Is there a special name for a blue number like 3?", and everybody looks at you funny.
02:08:05 <oklopol> :)
02:08:28 <oklopol> anyway, the way they do it in the book is nice, i might actually start using it
02:08:46 <oklopol> even though i've always disliked learning through images
02:08:53 <oklopol> i like learning the hard way
02:09:12 <oklopol> i wasn't hit enough when i was little, i think
02:09:38 <ihope> I'm suddenly moved to ask how old you are.
02:11:24 <oklopol> i'm 18
02:11:38 <oklopol> guess i'm still quite little
02:11:46 <ihope> Bigger than me.
02:11:51 <oklopol> don't know the definition of little
02:11:54 <oklopol> i'm aware of that
02:12:16 <ihope> Live in... about Finland?
02:12:25 <oklopol> exactly finland
02:12:30 <oklopol> and you live in america
02:12:33 <ihope> Yup.
02:12:39 <ihope> Helsinki, about?
02:12:42 <oklopol> nope
02:12:44 <oklopol> turku
02:12:56 <oklopol> though you've never heard that
02:12:57 <ihope> That's not even on here...
02:13:04 <ihope> I've heard of it from playing Freeciv :-)
02:13:10 <oklopol> one of the biggest towns
02:13:12 <oklopol> oh
02:13:19 <oklopol> a game of some sort?
02:13:25 <ihope> Yup.
02:13:28 <oklopol> play...game
02:13:36 <oklopol> associatins...
02:13:40 <oklopol> *assosiation
02:13:43 <oklopol> *assosiations
02:14:14 <oklopol> err
02:14:15 <oklopol> *associations
02:14:24 <oklopol> well played
02:14:28 <oklopol> gotta read on
02:14:42 <oklopol> noah for number two... no fucking way
02:14:50 <oklopol> 'no' is better
02:14:53 <oklopol> hmm
02:15:01 <oklopol> should i believe a pro...
02:15:30 <oklopol> guess 'no' isn't concrete enough
02:16:56 <ihope> Use concrete for two! >:-)
02:17:26 <ihope> Or the bathroom codes.
02:19:17 <oklopol> you can't just pick a random word
02:19:31 <oklopol> the idea is, you have a consonant for every number
02:19:58 <oklopol> so you can make pegs for each number like 3 -> "ma", because the consonant for 3 is m
02:20:10 <RodgerTheGreat> Sukoshi: in CRPG, I just rescaled the graphics ahead of time
02:20:15 <oklopol> this allows you to make longer pegs for every two numbers etc
02:20:21 <RodgerTheGreat> no need to do it in-engine if you're doing it to a fixed factor
02:20:31 <oklopol> like 10 -> toes, because 1==t, 0==s
02:21:16 <RodgerTheGreat> in any case, the game itself will be working in a fixed resolution (windowed or fullscreen). Variable resolutions can have some irritating side effects
02:21:32 <oklopol> i don't like learning this because i've recently created my own system for learning numbers
02:21:48 <oklopol> i basically just have to forget about it now.
02:22:42 <ihope> Ah...
02:24:02 <RodgerTheGreat> oklopol: so, essentially this memory system relies on the fact that our brains are better wired for visual memory than abstract/symbolic memory?
02:26:23 * pikhq doubts that
02:26:48 * RodgerTheGreat shrugs
02:31:44 <ihope> Doubt what?
02:31:44 <Sukoshi> RodgerTheGreat: So then we'll have to create different graphics for different resolutions?
02:31:57 <ihope> They're built for things that are supposedly practical. :-)
02:32:28 <oklopol> RodgerTheGreat: yes
02:32:49 <oklopol> i don't understand why this isn't taught at school
02:33:16 <Sukoshi> Because it's not.
02:33:19 <RodgerTheGreat> no, I'm saying to clamp it. pick a rez and stick with it. We're using raster-graphics, so rescaling is just going to make them look horrible in most cases
02:33:23 <ihope> What's not taught at school?
02:33:24 <Sukoshi> Different people have different forms of memory.
02:33:37 <Sukoshi> RodgerTheGreat: Hmm... what do you think would be a convenient resolution?
02:33:41 <Sukoshi> I run my box at 1280x1024.
02:33:42 <RodgerTheGreat> hm
02:33:49 <Sukoshi> And my graphics card is 10 years old.
02:33:53 <oklopol> Sukoshi: sure, that does not change the fact this system works on anyone
02:34:14 <RodgerTheGreat> well, the largest 2d console games ran at 640x480
02:34:28 <RodgerTheGreat> most of them actually used 320x240 or something similar
02:34:35 <Sukoshi> 16x16 tiles look awful at my resolution.
02:34:43 <Sukoshi> oklopol: I have a horrible visual memory.
02:34:55 <RodgerTheGreat> have you looked at CRPG at all?
02:34:55 <oklopol> me too
02:35:09 <oklopol> this does not depend on visual memory really
02:35:23 <RodgerTheGreat> in general, map tiles are significantly smaller than sprites- you need to remember that
02:35:47 <RodgerTheGreat> also, smaller tiles (rather counterintuitively) tend to reduce the number you need
02:35:57 <RodgerTheGreat> mainly because you can reuse them to a larger extent
02:36:01 <Sukoshi> True.
02:36:11 <Sukoshi> I just need a tile size I can work on the mapper.
02:36:27 <oklopol> Sukoshi: what do you mean by having a horrible visual memory?
02:36:43 <RodgerTheGreat> I'd really like you to take a look at what I've made in CRPG so I can use it as an example. If you have trouble running it, I can get you some static screenshots: http://rodger.nonlogic.org/games/CRPG/
02:37:01 <Sukoshi> oklopol: If someone tries to make me memorize something via visual assosciation, I fail.
02:37:16 <oklopol> oh
02:37:23 <Sukoshi> RodgerTheGreat: Yeah, it's just that I'm hacking two other projects while my parents are whining that I'm going hikikomori on them.
02:37:26 <oklopol> worked for pretty much everyone in my class
02:37:44 <RodgerTheGreat> lol
02:37:45 <Sukoshi> oklopol: That's because most people work well with visual assosciation.
02:38:06 <RodgerTheGreat> it runs in-browser
02:38:19 <Sukoshi> RodgerTheGreat: Yeah, but my system gets pwned starting Java in browser.
02:38:34 <Sukoshi> Because this thing is an aging 5 year old machine with a 10 year old graphics card.
02:39:01 <RodgerTheGreat> alright, I can just pastebin some screenies. One moment...
02:39:12 <Sukoshi> I have to do it on my dad's system, and I forgot to run VNC on it, and I'm too buzy at the moment to go down and use his machine :P
02:39:22 <Sukoshi> I just dropped in for a few minute interlude. I'm leaving like right now.
02:39:27 <RodgerTheGreat> ah
02:39:29 <RodgerTheGreat> hm
02:39:33 <Sukoshi> Pastebin please, though.
02:39:37 <RodgerTheGreat> well, let me know the next time you have a moment
02:40:59 <RodgerTheGreat> http://www.nonlogic.org/dump/images/1182735587-shot1.png
02:41:09 <RodgerTheGreat> http://www.nonlogic.org/dump/images/1182735597-shot2.png
02:41:20 <RodgerTheGreat> just a couple I had sitting on my machine
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04:41:15 <immibis> ~exec self.raw("JOIN #bots")
04:44:29 <immibis> somebody tell ihope to tell ihope to tell ihope to repeat this sentence
04:50:11 <immibis> ~exec self.register_raw(r":maniac\S+ PRIVMSG #bots :(.*)", lambda x,y: sys.stdout(y.group(1)+", so what?!"))
04:50:15 <immibis> ops
04:50:17 <immibis> wrong channel
04:50:21 <bsmnt_bot> ~exec self.register_raw(r":maniac\s+ privmsg #bots :(.*)", lambda x,y: sys.stdout(y.group(1)+", so what?!")), so what?!
04:50:39 <bsmnt_bot> pink and purple and blue, so what?!
04:51:06 <immibis> it seems to be possible to make bsmnt_bot say things by /msging them to maniac
04:51:12 <bsmnt_bot> i am maniac, so what?!
04:51:24 <bsmnt_bot> i am a botr, so what?!
04:51:51 <immibis> ~exec self.raw_regex_queue.pop()
04:51:59 <immibis> ~exec self.register_raw(r":maniac\S+ PRIVMSG #bots :(.*)", lambda x,y: bot.raw("PRIVMSG #bots :"+y.group(1)+", so what?!"))
04:53:18 <immibis> i am dumb
04:53:23 <immibis> wrong channel
04:53:25 <immibis> oops
04:53:27 <immibis> no i'm not
04:54:51 <immibis> ~exec self.register_raw(r"\S+ PRIVMSG (\S+) :$(.*)", lambda x,y: bot.raw("PRIVMSG "+y.group(1)+" :"+y.group(2)))
04:54:56 <immibis> $test
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05:00:14 <erider> gn
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05:11:12 <immibis> someone please add 1+1 and get 4
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05:13:55 * oerjan completes assignment by working (mod 2)
05:14:09 <immibis> someone please add 1+1 and get 4, and send the resulting error code to immybo
05:14:19 <immibis> then divide infinity by zero and unplug your computr
05:14:41 * immibis dies
05:14:48 * immybo dies :)
05:14:49 * immibis gets resurrected!
05:14:51 <oerjan> 1.#INF :: Double
05:14:59 * immybo rises from the dead
05:16:15 <immibis> ~exec sys.stdout(0/0)
05:16:16 <bsmnt_bot> ZeroDivisionError: integer division or modulo by zero
05:16:20 <immibis> ~exec sys.stdout(0%-1)
05:16:21 <bsmnt_bot> 0
05:16:29 <immibis> ~exec sys.stdout(0/0/0/-1)
05:16:30 <bsmnt_bot> ZeroDivisionError: integer division or modulo by zero
05:16:40 <immibis> ~exec sys.stdout(Math.sqrt(-1))
05:16:40 <bsmnt_bot> NameError: name 'Math' is not defined
05:16:43 <oerjan> ~exec sys.stdout(0.0/0.0)
05:16:43 <immibis> ~exec sys.stdout(sqrt(-1))
05:16:45 <bsmnt_bot> ZeroDivisionError: float division
05:16:50 <immibis> ~exec sys.stdout(sqrt(-1))
05:16:55 <bsmnt_bot> NameError: name 'sqrt' is not defined
05:16:59 <oerjan> hmph, no NAN?
05:17:05 * immybo kills everybody
05:17:09 <bsmnt_bot> NameError: name 'sqrt' is not defined
05:17:11 <immibis> is the bot's syntax based on some other language?
05:17:26 <immibis> ~exec sys.stdout(-1^0.5)
05:17:28 <bsmnt_bot> TypeError: unsupported operand type(s) for ^: 'int' and 'float'
05:17:29 <oerjan> er, it's written in python
05:17:51 <immibis> ~exec sys.stdout("\001ACTION crashes\001")
05:17:53 * bsmnt_bot crashes
05:18:22 <immibis> ~exec sys.stdout("\001ACTION hits immibis with a big red brick\001")
05:18:23 * bsmnt_bot hits immibis with a big red brick
05:18:34 <immibis> ~exec sys.stdout("\001ACTION rules!\001")
05:18:36 * bsmnt_bot rules!
05:19:44 <pikhq> ~exec sys.stderr("Hey, bot owner! Here's a gift! :p")
05:20:12 <immibis> ~exec sys.stdout(sys.stdin)
05:20:13 <bsmnt_bot> <open file '<stdin>', mode 'r' at 0xb7c65020>
05:20:18 <immibis> ~exec sys.stdout(sys.stdin.read())
05:20:33 * pikhq applauds
05:20:41 <pikhq> ~exec sys.stdout("Yay, halting!")
05:20:43 <bsmnt_bot> Yay, halting!
05:20:48 <pikhq> Damn it.
05:21:22 <pikhq> ~exec while 1: sys.stdout("")
05:21:40 <immibis> ~exec while 1: sys.stdout("EXCESS FLOOD")
05:21:42 <bsmnt_bot> EXCESS FLOOD
05:21:42 <bsmnt_bot> EXCESS FLOOD
05:21:42 <bsmnt_bot> EXCESS FLOOD
05:21:42 <bsmnt_bot> EXCESS FLOOD
05:21:42 <bsmnt_bot> EXCESS FLOOD
05:21:43 <bsmnt_bot> EXCESS FLOOD
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05:22:23 <immibis> ~exec i=0; while i<3: sys.stdout(i); i=i+1;
05:22:24 <bsmnt_bot> SyntaxError: invalid syntax
05:22:34 <immibis> i don't know how to use this bot for stuff like that
05:22:37 <immibis> do you, pikhq?
05:22:44 <pikhq> Nor do I.
05:22:48 <pikhq> I don't do Python.
05:23:19 <immibis> are the commands you give it in python?
05:23:28 <pikhq> Yeah.
05:23:32 <oerjan> ~exec exec "i=0; while i<3:\n sys.stdout(i)\n i=i+1;
05:23:34 <bsmnt_bot> SyntaxError: EOL while scanning single-quoted string
05:23:35 <oerjan> er
05:23:39 <oerjan> ~exec exec "i=0; while i<3:\n sys.stdout(i)\n i=i+1"
05:23:41 <bsmnt_bot> SyntaxError: invalid syntax
05:23:53 <oerjan> ~exec exec "i=0\nwhile i<3:\n sys.stdout(i)\n i=i+1"
05:23:59 <bsmnt_bot> 0
05:24:01 <bsmnt_bot> 1
05:24:03 <bsmnt_bot> 2
05:24:06 <pikhq> Bona.
05:24:25 <oerjan> python has no semicolons, but mandatory newlines and indentation.
05:24:28 <pikhq> ~exec "i=0\nwhile i<3:\n sys.stdout(i)\n i=i+1"
05:24:35 <immibis> ~exec exec "i=0\nwhile 1:\nsys.stdout(i+" "+(i+1)+" "+(i+2))\ni=i+3"
05:24:37 <bsmnt_bot> IndentationError: expected an indented block (line 3)
05:24:43 <immibis> ~exec exec "i=0\nwhile 1:\n sys.stdout(i+" "+(i+1)+" "+(i+2))\n i=i+3"
05:24:45 <bsmnt_bot> 3
05:24:45 <bsmnt_bot> 12
05:24:45 <bsmnt_bot> 21
05:24:46 <bsmnt_bot> 30
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05:24:50 <immibis> er?
05:25:02 <immibis> 3, 12, 21, 30?
05:25:17 <pikhq> Don't ask me.
05:25:25 <oerjan> actually i think semicolons can be used in a few places
05:26:01 <oerjan> 0+1+2, 3+4+5, 6+7+8, 9+10+11
05:26:30 <immibis> even though i had strings in there?
05:26:39 <pikhq> I think one-liners involve using lambda (why the fuck does Python have lambda, anyways?)
05:26:42 <oerjan> oh right, python uses . for concatenation i think
05:26:59 <immibis> ~exec exec "i=0\nwhile 1:\n sys.stdout(i." ".(i+1)." ".(i+2))\n i=i+3"
05:26:59 <bsmnt_bot> SyntaxError: invalid syntax
05:27:12 <pikhq> Strings don't nest.
05:27:12 <immibis> ~exec exec "i=0\nwhile 1:\n sys.stdout(i*i*i)\n i=i+3"
05:27:13 <bsmnt_bot> 0
05:27:13 <bsmnt_bot> 27
05:27:13 <bsmnt_bot> 216
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05:27:21 <immibis> oh i see
05:27:25 <immibis> of course they don't
05:27:28 <immibis> i just didn't notice that
05:27:34 <oerjan> wait, of course it doesn't use .
05:27:38 <oerjan> that's method calls
05:27:59 <oerjan> ~exec sys.stdout("a"+"b")
05:28:00 <bsmnt_bot> ab
05:28:11 <immibis> ~exec sys.stdout(-1**0.5)
05:28:11 <bsmnt_bot> -1.0
05:28:19 <immibis> ~exec sys.stdout((-1)**(0.5))
05:28:19 <bsmnt_bot> ValueError: negative number cannot be raised to a fractional power
05:28:35 <oerjan> right... it uses + but if you mix numbers and strings it uses the numerical meaning
05:28:40 <immibis> square root of -1 should be I
05:29:28 <oerjan> ~exec sys.stdout(math.sqrt(-1))
05:29:29 <bsmnt_bot> ValueError: math domain error
05:30:37 <oerjan> ~exec "%d %d %d" % (1,2,3)
05:30:42 <oerjan> er
05:30:51 <immibis> ~exec sys.stdout("%d %d %d" % (1,2,3))
05:30:52 <bsmnt_bot> 1 2 3
05:30:52 <oerjan> ~exec sys.stdout("%d %d %d" % (1,2,3))
05:30:52 <bsmnt_bot> 1 2 3
05:32:05 <pikhq> I don't think Python has complex numbers. . .
05:32:34 <oerjan> ~exec sys.stdout(1j * 1j)
05:32:35 <bsmnt_bot> (-1+0j)
05:33:17 <pikhq> Or maybe it does. Odd.
05:33:24 <immibis> ~exec _='_=%r;print "~exec" _%%_';print _%_
05:33:28 <pikhq> ~exec sys.stdout(j^2)
05:33:29 <bsmnt_bot> NameError: name 'j' is not defined
05:33:35 <pikhq> ~exec sys.stdout(1j^2)
05:33:36 <bsmnt_bot> TypeError: unsupported operand type(s) for ^: 'complex' and 'int'
05:33:48 <immibis> ~exec sys.stdout (j*j)
05:33:48 <bsmnt_bot> NameError: name 'j' is not defined
05:33:51 <immibis> ~exec sys.stdout (1j*1j)
05:33:56 <bsmnt_bot> (-1+0j)
05:34:02 <pikhq> So, it doesn't support all of the operations on the complex numbers. -_-'
05:34:03 <immibis> ~exec sys.stdout (1j*1j*1j*1j*1j*1j*1j*1j)
05:34:03 <bsmnt_bot> (1-0j)
05:34:15 <immibis> 1 MINUS 0j?
05:34:25 <immibis> shouldn't that be 1 PLUS 0j?
05:34:26 <pikhq> 1-0j=1
05:34:30 <immibis> i know
05:34:45 <immibis> sys.stdout(((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((("LOTS OF BRACKETS"
05:34:49 <pikhq> Don't ask me; their complex numbers make no sense.
05:34:49 <immibis> ~exec sys.stdout(((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((("LOTS OF BRACKETS"
05:34:49 <bsmnt_bot> MemoryError
05:34:56 <oerjan> there is a distinction between +0 and -0 in IEEE floating point, at least
05:34:57 <immibis> ~exec sys.stdout("MemoryError")
05:34:58 <bsmnt_bot> MemoryError
05:35:08 <immibis> ~exec sys.stdout("I AM NOT bsmnt_bot")
05:35:08 <bsmnt_bot> I AM NOT bsmnt_bot
05:35:59 <immibis> ~exec self.raw("NICK roboman\nNICK bsmnt_bot")
05:35:59 -!- bsmnt_bot has changed nick to roboman.
05:35:59 -!- roboman has changed nick to bsmnt_bot.
05:36:33 <immibis> is it possible to write a quine with this bot?
05:36:34 <pikhq> ~exec self.raw("NICK EgoBot")
05:36:35 -!- bsmnt_bot has changed nick to EgoBot.
05:37:10 <pikhq> ~exec sys.stdout("\001ACTION supports bsmnt_bot commands. Schweet.\001")
05:37:10 * EgoBot supports bsmnt_bot commands. Schweet.
05:37:26 <immibis> lol
05:37:43 <immibis> i would not be good at writing a quine, but is it possible with this bot
05:37:44 <pikhq> Now, we need to write in support for EgoBot commands. . . :p
05:37:51 <pikhq> I believe so.
05:37:53 <immibis> using register_raw?
05:38:15 <immibis> what if it quits, does it still remember the registered regexes?
05:38:16 <pikhq> We've managed *mutual* quines, though.
05:38:19 <pikhq> It doesn't.
05:38:23 <immibis> mutual?
05:38:49 <immibis> ~exec print (lambda s:s+`s`+')')("~exec print (lambda s:s+`s`+')')(")
05:39:01 <immibis> is that valid syntax?
05:39:05 <immibis> got it off the internet
05:39:13 <pikhq> It'd output code that would make EgoBot output code that would make bsmnt_bot output code that would. . .
05:39:16 <pikhq> Out to be.
05:39:39 <immibis> aren't they called *iterating* quines?
05:39:46 <pikhq> . . . Well, I suppose so.
05:39:47 <oerjan> except the bot's print command doesn't print onto the channel
05:39:54 <immibis> and aren't iterating quines *harder* to write?
05:40:19 <pikhq> ~exec sys.stdout (lambda s:s+`s`+')')("~exec sys.stdout (lambda s:s+`s`+')')(")
05:40:20 <EgoBot> <function <lambda> at 0xb7bef95c>
05:40:20 <EgoBot> TypeError: 'NoneType' object is not callable
05:40:33 <immibis> oh right
05:40:50 <immibis> ~exec sys.stdout(lambda s:s+`s`+')')("~exec sys.stdout(lambda s:s+`s`+')')(")
05:40:50 <EgoBot> <function <lambda> at 0xb7bef924>
05:40:51 <EgoBot> TypeError: 'NoneType' object is not callable
05:41:03 <immibis> ~exec sys.stdout(lambda s:s+`s`+')')("~exec sys.stdout(lambda s:s+`s`+')')(")
05:41:04 <EgoBot> <function <lambda> at 0xb7bef994>
05:41:04 <EgoBot> TypeError: 'NoneType' object is not callable
05:41:12 <immibis> is there a current-request object or something?
05:41:16 <immibis> sure, it's cheating
05:41:19 <immibis> but who cares
05:41:57 <immibis> ~exec self.raw("NICK BOTWHOSNOTABOT")
05:41:58 -!- EgoBot has changed nick to BOTWHOSNOTABOT.
05:42:06 <immibis> ~exec self.raw("NICK botWhosNotABot")
05:42:06 -!- BOTWHOSNOTABOT has changed nick to botWhosNotABot.
05:42:15 <immibis> ~exec self.raw("NICK EgoBot")
05:42:21 <immibis> ~exec self.raw("NICK EgoBot")
05:42:43 -!- boily has joined.
05:42:49 <immibis> ~exec self.raw("NICK EgoBot")
05:42:49 -!- botWhosNotABot has changed nick to EgoBot.
05:42:57 <oerjan> sys.stdout is not a command you need parentheses around its arguments
05:43:12 <immibis> ~exec sys.stdout((lambda s:s+`s`+')')("~exec sys.stdout((lambda s:s+`s`+'))')("))
05:43:12 <EgoBot> ~exec sys.stdout((lambda s:s+`s`+'))')("~exec sys.stdout((lambda s:s+`s`+'))')(")
05:43:19 <immibis> almost
05:43:27 <immibis> ~exec sys.stdout((lambda s:s+`s`+')')("~exec sys.stdout((lambda s:s+`s`+')'))("))
05:43:27 <EgoBot> ~exec sys.stdout((lambda s:s+`s`+')'))("~exec sys.stdout((lambda s:s+`s`+')'))(")
05:43:37 <immibis> ~exec sys.stdout((lambda s:s+`s`+')')("~exec sys.stdout((lambda s:s+`s`+')')(")))
05:43:37 <EgoBot> SyntaxError: unexpected EOF while parsing
05:43:42 <immibis> ~exec sys.stdout((lambda s:s+`s`+')')("~exec sys.stdout((lambda s:s+`s`+')')(")))
05:43:44 <EgoBot> SyntaxError: unexpected EOF while parsing
05:43:49 <immibis> ~exec sys.stdout((lambda s:s+`s`+')')("~exec sys.stdout((lambda s:s+`s`+')'))("))
05:43:55 <pikhq> ~exec sys.stdout((lambda s:s+`s`+')')("~exec sys.stdout((lambda s:s+`s`+'))')()"))
05:44:00 <EgoBot> ~exec sys.stdout((lambda s:s+`s`+')'))("~exec sys.stdout((lambda s:s+`s`+')'))(")
05:44:02 <EgoBot> ~exec sys.stdout((lambda s:s+`s`+'))')()"~exec sys.stdout((lambda s:s+`s`+'))')()")
05:44:11 <immibis> ~exec sys.stdout((lambda s:s+`s`+'))')("~exec sys.stdout((lambda s:s+`s`+'))')("))
05:44:12 <EgoBot> ~exec sys.stdout((lambda s:s+`s`+'))')("~exec sys.stdout((lambda s:s+`s`+'))')("))
05:44:15 <immibis> ~exec sys.stdout((lambda s:s+`s`+'))')("~exec sys.stdout((lambda s:s+`s`+'))')("))
05:44:16 <EgoBot> ~exec sys.stdout((lambda s:s+`s`+'))')("~exec sys.stdout((lambda s:s+`s`+'))')("))
05:44:29 <immibis> houston, we have a quine
05:44:37 <pikhq> Shit.
05:44:40 <pikhq> RUN!
05:44:56 <immibis> though i know almost no python
05:45:00 <immibis> why run?
05:45:07 <pikhq> It'll blow! :p
05:45:11 <immibis> why
05:45:28 <pikhq> Because I say it will.
05:45:47 <immibis> ~exec self.register_raw(r,":\
05:45:47 <EgoBot> SyntaxError: EOL while scanning single-quoted string
05:45:53 <pikhq> ~exec self.raw("PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boom!\nQUIT")
05:45:54 <EgoBot> Boom!
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05:46:09 <pikhq> ~exec self.raw("PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boom!\nQUIT :Kaboom again!")
05:46:10 <bsmnt_bot> Boom!
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05:46:16 <pikhq> :)
05:47:15 <boily> I am happy! This morning I stumbled upon this article:
05:47:17 <boily> http://scienceblogs.com/goodmath/2007/06/simple_pathology_betterave.php#more
05:47:29 <boily> :)
05:47:46 <oerjan> oh right i was going to tell you but you weren't around :)
05:48:38 <immibis> ~exec self.register_raw(r":\S+ PRIVMSG \S+ :(.*)blow(.*)", lambda x,y: bot.raw("PRIVMSG #esoteric :DASFASDF\nPRIVMSG #esoteric :\001ACTION is crashing\001\nQUIT :Excess Flood"))
05:48:46 <immibis> no blowing up
05:48:47 <bsmnt_bot> DASFASDF
05:48:47 * bsmnt_bot is crashing
05:48:47 -!- bsmnt_bot has quit (Client Quit).
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05:48:51 <immibis> ~exec self.register_raw(r":\S+ PRIVMSG \S+ :(.*)blow(.*)", lambda x,y: bot.raw("PRIVMSG #esoteric :DASFASDF\nPRIVMSG #esoteric :\001ACTION is crashing\001\nQUIT :Excess Flood"))
05:49:05 <immibis> don't say blow
05:49:05 <bsmnt_bot> DASFASDF
05:49:05 * bsmnt_bot is crashing
05:49:05 -!- bsmnt_bot has quit (Client Quit).
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05:49:11 <immibis> ops
05:49:12 <immibis> ~exec self.register_raw(r":\S+ PRIVMSG \S+ :(.*)blow(.*)", lambda x,y: bot.raw("PRIVMSG #esoteric :DASFASDF\nPRIVMSG #esoteric :\001ACTION is crashing\001\nQUIT :Excess Flood"))
05:49:23 <boily> oerjan: yeah, i had a pretty busy weekend, it was Quebec's national holiday
05:49:32 <immibis> feature request: it should remember its regex list when it quits
05:49:38 <pikhq> Gimme a blowjob. :p
05:49:39 <bsmnt_bot> DASFASDF
05:49:39 * bsmnt_bot is crashing
05:49:39 -!- bsmnt_bot has quit (Client Quit).
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05:49:47 <immibis> ~exec self.register_raw(r":\S+ PRIVMSG \S+ :(.*)blow(.*)", lambda x,y: bot.raw("PRIVMSG #esoteric :DASFASDF\nPRIVMSG #esoteric :\001ACTION is crashing\001\nQUIT :Excess Flood"))
05:49:54 <pikhq> :)
05:50:02 <pikhq> Or, rather: >:D
05:50:12 <immibis> or rather what
05:50:23 <immibis> it looks to me like > and a smiley face icon
05:50:39 <immibis> ~exec self.raw_regex_queue.pop()
05:50:39 <pikhq> Evil smiley face.
05:50:45 <immibis> ok
05:51:16 <immibis> ~exec self.register_raw(r":\S+ PRIVMSG \S+ :(.*)blow(.*)", lambda x,y: bot.raw("PRIVMSG #esoteric :\001VERSION\001\nPRIVMSG #esoteric :\001ACTION is crashing\001\nPRIVMSG #esoteric :\001PING p\001"))
05:51:19 <immibis> blow up
05:51:20 * bsmnt_bot is crashing
05:51:47 <immibis> bug: it does not respond to /version or /ping
05:52:26 <oerjan> from whom?
05:52:31 <immibis> anyone
05:52:34 <pikhq> Add a regex.
05:52:41 <immibis> i am going to
05:52:55 <immibis> but that way it needs to be re-registered every time the bot logs in
05:53:13 <immibis> ~exec self.register_raw(r"(:\S+) PRIVMSG \S+ :\001PING (.*)\001", lambda x,y: bot.raw("NOTICE "+y.group(1)+" :\001PING "+y.group(2)+"\001"))
05:53:24 <immibis> ~exec self.register_raw(r"(:\S+) PRIVMSG \S+ :\001PING (.*)\001", lambda x,y: bot.raw("NOTICE "+y.group(1)+" :\001PONG "+y.group(2)+"\001"))
05:53:48 <immibis> ~exec self.raw_regex_queue.pop()
05:53:48 <immibis> ~exec self.raw_regex_queue.pop()
05:53:53 <immibis> neither of those worked
05:54:01 <immibis> blow up
05:54:01 * bsmnt_bot is crashing
05:54:37 <immibis> ~exec self.register_raw(r":(\S+) PRIVMSG \S+ :\001PING (.*)\001", lambda x,y: bot.raw("NOTICE "+y.group(1)+" :\001POING "+y.group(2)+"\001"))
05:54:39 <immibis> ops
05:54:41 <immibis> poing?
05:54:44 <immibis> ~exec self.raw_regex_queue.pop()
05:54:48 <immibis> ~exec self.register_raw(r":(\S+) PRIVMSG \S+ :\001PING (.*)\001", lambda x,y: bot.raw("NOTICE "+y.group(1)+" :\001PING "+y.group(2)+"\001"))
05:54:57 <immibis> ~exec self.register_raw(r":(\S+) PRIVMSG \S+ :\001PING (.*)\001", lambda x,y: bot.raw("NOTICE "+y.group(1)+" :\001PONG "+y.group(2)+"\001"))
05:55:13 <immibis> i keep forgetting whether the ctcp ping reply is PING or PONG
05:55:26 <immibis> neither of them worked still
05:55:29 <immibis> ~exec self.raw_regex_queue.pop()
05:55:29 <immibis> ~exec self.raw_regex_queue.pop()
05:56:01 <immibis> ~exec self.register_raw(r":(\S+) PRIVMSG \S+ :\001PING ([^\001]*)\001", lambda x,y: bot.raw("NOTICE "+y.group(1)+" :PONG "+y.group(2)+""))
05:56:26 <immibis> ~exec self.raw_regex_queue.pop()
05:57:20 <immibis> ~exec self.register_raw(r":(\S+) PRIVMSG \S+ :\001VERSION\001", lambda x,y: bot.raw("NOTICE "+y.group(1)+" :\001VERSION None of your business!\001"))
05:57:32 <immibis> blow up
05:57:32 * bsmnt_bot is crashing
05:57:40 <immibis> never mind
05:57:46 <immibis> it isn't working anyway
05:58:20 <immibis> someone please tell me your nick
05:58:53 <oerjan> oerjan
05:59:57 <bsmntbombdood> i sees someone had funs with bsmnt_bot
06:01:38 <immibis> bsmntbombdood: i tried to make it respond to /ping and /version
06:01:57 <immibis> bsmntbombdood: i think pikhq wrote a message to stderr
06:02:00 <bsmntbombdood> problems?
06:02:11 <immibis> i probably did something wrong with the regex
06:02:18 <immibis> the command was: ~exec self.register_raw(r":(\S+) PRIVMSG \S+ :\001VERSION\001", lambda x,y: bot.raw("NOTICE "+y.group(1)+" :\001VERSION None of your business!\001"))
06:02:26 <bsmntbombdood> yes
06:02:41 <bsmntbombdood> r"" strings don't use escapes
06:03:05 <immibis> how do you put ascii code 1 in then?
06:03:13 <bsmntbombdood> you can't in a raw string
06:03:40 <pikhq> ~exec sys.stdout("\001")
06:03:40 <bsmnt_bot> <CTCP>
06:03:46 <immibis> r"....." + "\001"
06:03:54 <pikhq> Damn it; was hoping I'd see a literal \001.
06:03:59 <immibis> ~exec sys.stdout(r"\001")
06:04:00 <bsmnt_bot> \001
06:04:12 <immibis> pikhq: you forgot the r
06:04:23 <immibis> the command was: ~exec self.register_raw(":(\\S+) PRIVMSG \\S+ :\001VERSION\001", lambda x,y: bot.raw("NOTICE "+y.group(1)+" :\001VERSION None of your business!\001"))
06:04:28 <immibis> oops
06:04:29 <immibis> ~exec self.register_raw(":(\\S+) PRIVMSG \\S+ :\001VERSION\001", lambda x,y: bot.raw("NOTICE "+y.group(1)+" :\001VERSION None of your business!\001"))
06:04:34 <pikhq> ~exec sys.stdout("\001" + r"\001" + "\001")
06:04:49 <immibis> ~exec sys.stdout("\001VERSION\001")
06:04:58 <immibis> ~exec while i_am_annoying: sys.stdout("\001VERSION\001")
06:04:59 <bsmnt_bot> NameError: name 'i_am_annoying' is not defined
06:05:01 <immibis> lol
06:05:07 <immibis> ~exec annoying=false;
06:05:08 <bsmnt_bot> NameError: name 'false' is not defined
06:05:10 <immibis> ~exec annoying=0
06:05:30 <immibis> ~exec exec "when annoying:\n while 1:\n sys.stdout("\001VERSION\001")"
06:05:31 <bsmnt_bot> SyntaxError: invalid token
06:05:39 <immibis> ~exec exec "when annoying:\n while 1:\n sys.stdout(\"\001VERSION\001\")"
06:05:39 <bsmnt_bot> SyntaxError: invalid syntax
06:05:47 <immibis> ~exec exec "when annoying:\n while 1:\n sys.stdout("\001VERSION\001")"
06:05:56 <bsmnt_bot> SyntaxError: invalid token
06:05:56 <immibis> ~exec annoying=1
06:06:38 -!- cmeme has quit ("Client terminated by server").
06:06:50 -!- cmeme has joined.
06:06:54 <immibis> client terminated by server?
06:06:56 <immibis> what?
06:09:51 <boily> Who is cmeme?
06:09:59 <bsmntbombdood> log bot
06:14:04 <boily> hmm...
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06:18:16 <immibis> ~exec exec exec
06:18:17 <bsmnt_bot> SyntaxError: unexpected EOF while parsing
06:18:25 <immibis> ~exec exec "exec "exec "exec "exec "exec
06:18:25 <bsmnt_bot> SyntaxError: invalid syntax
06:18:29 <immibis> ~exec exec "exec "
06:18:40 <bsmnt_bot> SyntaxError: unexpected EOF while parsing
06:19:19 <immibis> ~exec exec "exec \"exec \\\"exec sys.stdout(\\\\\\\"beep\\\\\\\")\\\"\""
06:19:19 <bsmnt_bot> beep
06:19:20 <bsmnt_bot> TypeError: exec: arg 1 must be a string, file, or code object
06:19:26 <immibis> ?
06:19:33 <immibis> ~sys.stdout("HHH")
06:19:39 <immibis> ~beep
06:20:03 <immibis> ~sys.stderr("Basement bomb dude, don't blow up your house")
06:20:03 * bsmnt_bot is crashing
06:20:11 <immibis> what
06:20:49 <bsmntbombdood> wtf?
06:21:03 <bsmntbombdood> ~exec self.print_callbacks()
06:22:39 <immibis> i think i made it respond to any line containing 'blow'
06:22:40 * bsmnt_bot is crashing
06:22:41 <immibis> blow
06:22:41 * bsmnt_bot is crashing
06:22:44 <immibis> blwo
06:22:48 <immibis> yes i did
06:25:51 <immibis> ~exec self.self
06:25:52 <bsmnt_bot> AttributeError: IRCbot instance has no attribute 'self'
06:26:00 <immibis> ~exec sys.stdout(self)
06:26:00 <bsmnt_bot> <__main__.IRCbot instance at 0xb7c8b3ec>
06:27:08 <bsmntbombdood> don't fuck anything up when i'm sleeping
06:27:12 <immibis> ~exec sys.stdout((lambda s:s+`s`+'))')("~exec sys.stdout((lambda s:s+`s`+'))')("))
06:27:12 <bsmnt_bot> ~exec sys.stdout((lambda s:s+`s`+'))')("~exec sys.stdout((lambda s:s+`s`+'))')("))
06:27:36 <immibis> ~exec sys.stdout((lambda s:s+`s`+'))')("~exec sys.stdout((lambda s:s+`s`+'))')("))
06:27:36 <bsmnt_bot> ~exec sys.stdout((lambda s:s+`s`+'))')("~exec sys.stdout((lambda s:s+`s`+'))')("))
06:27:42 <immibis> ~exec sys.stdout(sys.stdout)
06:27:42 <bsmnt_bot> <__main__.IRCFileWrapper instance at 0xb7c8bcec>
06:27:51 <immibis> ~exec sys.stdout(sys.stdout(sys.stdout(sys.stdout(sys.stdout))))
06:27:51 <bsmnt_bot> <__main__.IRCFileWrapper instance at 0xb7c8be2c>
06:27:51 <bsmnt_bot> None
06:27:51 <bsmnt_bot> None
06:27:51 <bsmnt_bot> None
06:28:14 <immibis> ~exec while 1: sys.stdout("GO TO #esoteric")
06:28:15 -!- bsmnt_bot has quit (Excess Flood).
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06:28:25 <immibis> excess flood without saying anything?
06:29:20 <pikhq> Apparently.
06:29:49 <immibis> ~exec while 1:
06:29:49 <bsmnt_bot> SyntaxError: unexpected EOF while parsing
06:29:50 <pikhq> ~exec while 1: sys.stdout("")
06:30:21 <immibis> ~exec sys.stdout(sys)
06:30:22 <bsmnt_bot> <module 'sys' (built-in)>
06:30:25 <immibis> ~exec sys.stdout(modules)
06:30:26 <bsmnt_bot> NameError: name 'modules' is not defined
06:30:29 <immibis> ~exec sys.stdout(sys.modules)
06:30:29 <bsmnt_bot> {'cStringIO': <module 'cStringIO' from '/usr/lib/python2.4/lib-dynload/cStringIO.so'>, 'pprint': <module 'pprint' from '/usr/lib/python2.4/pprint.pyc'>, 'copy_reg': <module 'copy_reg' from '/usr/lib/python2.4/copy_reg.pyc'>, 'sre_compile': <module 'sre_compile' from '/usr/lib/python2.4/sre_compile.pyc'>, 'tokenize': <module 'tokenize' from '/usr/lib/python2.4/tokenize.pyc'
06:30:31 -!- bsmnt_bot has quit (Excess Flood).
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06:30:45 <pikhq> ~exec sys.stdout(sys.stdout)
06:30:46 <bsmnt_bot> <__main__.IRCFileWrapper instance at 0xb7c4f82c>
06:30:53 <immibis> ~exec sys.stdout(cStringIO)
06:30:54 <bsmnt_bot> NameError: name 'cStringIO' is not defined
06:31:20 <immibis> ~exec while 1: DoNothing();
06:31:21 <bsmnt_bot> NameError: name 'DoNothing' is not defined
06:31:22 <immibis> ~exec while 1: nop
06:31:24 <bsmnt_bot> NameError: name 'nop' is not defined
06:31:27 <immibis> ~exec while 1: i=1
06:31:29 <immibis> ~exec while 1: i=1
06:31:29 <immibis> ~exec while 1: i=1
06:31:29 <immibis> ~exec while 1: i=1
06:31:30 <pikhq> ~exec sys.stdout(sys.cStringIO)
06:31:36 <bsmnt_bot> AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'cStringIO'
06:31:41 <immibis> cStringIO is a modul
06:31:45 <immibis> *module
06:31:46 <oerjan> immibis: pass
06:31:57 <immibis> oerjan, please clarify your command
06:32:08 <oerjan> pass == nop
06:32:29 <pikhq> ~exec pass
06:32:31 <immibis> ~exec while 1: pass ("the salt")
06:32:32 <bsmnt_bot> SyntaxError: invalid syntax
06:33:25 <immibis> ~exec self.register_raw(r"(e.*)", lambda x,y: sys.stdout(y.group(1)))
06:33:29 <immibis> everything
06:33:33 <immibis> bot?
06:33:35 <immibis> everything
06:33:44 <pikhq> e
06:33:50 <immibis> ~exec self.register_raw(r":\S+ PRIVMSG \S+ :(e.*)", lambda x,y: sys.stdout(y.group(1)))
06:33:54 <immibis> everything
06:33:54 <bsmnt_bot> everything
06:34:03 <immibis> ePod
06:34:04 <bsmnt_bot> ePod
06:34:10 <immibis> encarta
06:34:10 <bsmnt_bot> encarta
06:34:12 <pikhq> Foo! e!
06:34:21 <immibis> ~exec self.register_raw(r":\S+ PRIVMSG \S+ :(.*e.*)", lambda x,y: sys.stdout(y.group(1)))
06:34:23 <immibis> uh ohe
06:34:24 <bsmnt_bot> uh ohe
06:34:27 <immibis> watch out
06:34:32 <immibis> foo! e
06:34:33 <bsmnt_bot> foo! e
06:34:40 <immibis> i am immibis, user of irc
06:34:40 <bsmnt_bot> i am immibis, user of irc
06:34:49 <immibis> i am a bot and i use irc
06:34:49 <bsmnt_bot> i am a bot and i use irc
06:34:49 <pikhq> oerjan: Say something *without* an e. ;)
06:34:49 <bsmnt_bot> oerjan: Say something *without* an e. ;)
06:35:04 <immibis> everything
06:35:05 <bsmnt_bot> everything
06:35:05 <bsmnt_bot> everything
06:35:06 <boily> la di da, la di da
06:35:11 <immibis> i am immibis
06:35:13 <immibis> you are boily
06:35:14 <bsmnt_bot> you are boily
06:35:17 <oerjan> why should i do that? :)
06:35:23 <immibis> pink fluffy slipp*rs
06:35:32 <immibis> you just did, oerjan
06:35:33 <bsmnt_bot> you just did, oerjan
06:35:43 <immibis> ~exec self.raw("SQUIT")
06:35:43 <bsmnt_bot> ~exec self.raw("SQUIT")
06:35:47 <pikhq> Hrm. The regexp doesn't match him saying something. :(
06:35:48 <bsmnt_bot> Hrm. The regexp doesn't match him saying something. :(
06:35:56 <immibis> yes it doe
06:35:56 <bsmnt_bot> yes it doe
06:36:08 <immibis> ~exec self.raw_regex_queue.pop()
06:36:08 <immibis> ~exec self.raw_regex_queue.pop()
06:36:08 <bsmnt_bot> ~exec self.raw_regex_queue.pop()
06:36:11 <pikhq> Well, rather, it doesn't match the e in his name.
06:36:25 <pikhq> Because it's not part of the PRIVMSG contents.
06:36:26 <immibis> it matches the e in the message
06:36:30 <pikhq> Ja.
06:36:54 <oerjan> i know.
06:37:10 <boily> hèrè, it doèsn't match è.
06:37:48 <immibis> i removed the regex, boily
06:38:00 <immibis> it doesn't match anything anymore
06:38:08 <immibis> ~exec sys.stdout(sys.time())
06:38:09 <bsmnt_bot> AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'time'
06:38:11 <immibis> ~exec sys.stdout(sys.time)
06:38:13 <immibis> ~exec sys.stdout(sys.now)
06:38:14 <bsmnt_bot> AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'time'
06:38:28 <bsmnt_bot> AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'now'
06:38:48 <immibis> ~exec sys.stdout(localtime())
06:38:48 <bsmnt_bot> NameError: name 'localtime' is not defined
06:38:52 <immibis> ~exec sys.stdout(localtime)
06:38:58 <immibis> ~exec raise
06:39:00 <bsmnt_bot> NameError: name 'localtime' is not defined
06:39:02 <immibis> ~exec raise "SomeError"
06:39:12 <bsmnt_bot> TypeError: exceptions must be classes, instances, or strings (deprecated), not NoneType
06:39:20 <immibis> ~exec raise "GO TO #ESOTERIC!"
06:39:24 <bsmnt_bot> SomeError
06:39:36 <bsmnt_bot> GO TO #ESOTERIC!
06:39:57 <immibis> ~exec sys.stdout(sys.version)
06:39:58 <bsmnt_bot> 2.4.3 (#1, Oct 25 2006, 21:45:16)
06:39:58 <bsmnt_bot> [GCC 4.1.1 (Gentoo 4.1.1)]
06:40:23 <immibis> ~exec sys.stdout(time.localtime())
06:40:24 <bsmnt_bot> (2007, 6, 25, 5, 39, 14, 0, 176, 0)
06:40:36 <immibis> ~exec sys.stdout(time.strftime("%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S", time.localtime()))
06:40:37 <bsmnt_bot> 2007-06-25 05:39:28
06:40:51 <immibis> you are gmt+0
06:41:56 <immibis> ~exec self.register_raw(r":\S+ NOTICE \S+ :~exec (.*)", lambda x,y: exec.execer(y.group(1)))
06:41:56 <bsmnt_bot> SyntaxError: invalid syntax
06:42:31 <immibis> ~exec self.register_raw(r":\S+ NOTICE \S+ :~exec (.*)", lambda x,y: execer.exec(y.group(1)))
06:42:32 <bsmnt_bot> SyntaxError: invalid syntax
06:42:50 <immibis> ~exec self.register_raw(r":\S+ NOTICE \S+ :.exec (.*)", lambda x,y: exec.execer(y.group(1)))
06:42:51 <bsmnt_bot> SyntaxError: invalid syntax
06:48:56 <immibis> ~exec self.raw("JOIN #somechannel")
07:11:18 <immibis> ~exec self.register_raw(r":(\S+)!\S+ PRIVMSG [^# ]* :(.*)", lambda x,y: sys.stdout(y.group(1)+" told me: "+y.group(2)))
07:11:24 <immibis> ~exec self.register_raw(r":(\S+)!\S+ NOTICE [^# ]* :(.*)", lambda x,y: sys.stdout(y.group(1)+" told me: "+y.group(2)))
07:11:32 <bsmnt_bot> immibis told me: hi
07:11:45 <bsmnt_bot> immibis told me: immibis told me: immibis told me: immibis told me: hi
07:12:48 <bsmnt_bot> immibis told me: <CTCP>PING 14865953<CTCP>
07:12:54 <immibis> ops
07:12:56 <immibis> lol
07:14:33 <immibis> ~exec self.register_raw(r":(\S+)!\S+ PRIVMSG [^# ]* :.VERSION.", lambda x,y: self.raw("NOTICE "+y.group(1)+" :\001VERSION None of your business\001\nPRIVMSG #esoteric :"+y.group(1)+" is a cracker! Get him!"))
07:14:38 <bsmnt_bot> immibis told me: <CTCP>VERSION<CTCP>
07:14:38 <bsmnt_bot> NameError: global name 'self' is not defined
07:14:50 <immibis> ~exec self.raw_regex_queue.pop()
07:15:01 <immibis> ~exec self.register_raw(r":(\S+)!\S+ PRIVMSG [^# ]* :.VERSION.", lambda x,y: bot.raw("NOTICE "+y.group(1)+" :\001VERSION None of your business\001\nPRIVMSG #esoteric :"+y.group(1)+" is a cracker! Get him!"))
07:15:06 <bsmnt_bot> immibis told me: <CTCP>VERSION<CTCP>
07:15:06 <bsmnt_bot> immibis is a cracker! Get him!
07:18:12 <fizzie> Polly wants a cracker.
07:18:54 <oerjan> ooh, the net police!
07:19:10 <immibis> ~exec self.register_raw(r":(\S+)!\S+ PRIVMSG [^# ]* :.PING (.*)", lambda x,y: bot.raw("NOTICE "+y.group(1)+" :\001PING "+y.group(2)))
07:19:16 <bsmnt_bot> immibis told me: <CTCP>PING 15254296<CTCP>
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07:24:33 <bsmnt_bot> immibis told me: <CTCP>PING 15570718<CTCP>
07:25:05 <immibis> thats a bit annoying
07:25:28 <immibis> ~exec self.raw("PART #somechannel")
07:25:35 <immibis> ~exec self.raw("JOIN #somechannel")
07:25:51 <immibis> ~exec self.raw("PART #somechannel")
07:28:41 -!- Arrogant has joined.
07:29:58 <immibis> [18:28] ->> #esoteric :No such nick/channel
07:33:54 -!- immibis has changed nick to immibi.
07:34:00 -!- immibi has changed nick to immibis.
07:34:09 <immibis> msg nickserv identify He110J0el!
07:34:11 <immibis> oops
07:34:16 <immibis> everyone forget i said tha
07:34:17 <immibis> that
07:34:49 * immibis hopes nobody was watching their screen just now
07:35:18 <Arrogant> Nope
07:35:53 <oerjan> Nothing to see here. Move on.
07:37:13 <immibis> hmmmm
07:37:18 <oerjan> And I am sure both of our two channel logging robots will be polite enough to ignore this embarassing episode.
07:37:25 <immibis> oh dear
07:37:33 <immibis> TWO robots?
07:37:38 <immibis> i thought there was only one
07:37:49 <oerjan> Especially the one whose logs are available through google.
07:37:56 <immibis> aargh
07:38:05 <oerjan> clog is the other one.
07:39:56 <immibis> does bsmnt_bot log?
07:40:28 <oerjan> i don't know
07:40:56 <immibis> where does clog put its logs then?
07:41:08 <oerjan> tunes.org. See the topic.
07:43:10 <immibis> that was fast
07:43:16 <immibis> it has already logged it
07:44:14 <oerjan> very realtime, that one.
07:44:59 <immibis> meme was offline at the time, wasn't it
07:45:06 <oerjan> no.
07:45:23 <oerjan> meme joined again immediately
07:45:31 <immibis> where is meme now then
07:45:59 <oerjan> on the other hand, that one isn't googled, and is btw slow as molasses to get up so i only use it when tunes is missing something.
07:47:05 <immibis> the meme page has that last message you said, but meme isn't in this channel
07:47:13 <oerjan> cmeme
07:47:21 <immibis> ok
07:47:39 * immibis is now changing his irc password
07:48:55 <oerjan> btw meme has changed its url
07:48:59 -!- immibis has changed nick to immibis_.
07:49:03 -!- oerjan has set topic: The international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment - map: http://www.frappr.com/esolang - forum: http://esolangs.org/forum/ - EgoBot: !help - wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/ - logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ or http://www.ircbrowse.com/cdates.html?channel=esoteric - Pastebin: http://pastebin.ca/ - Here be cannibals. (Eat bsmntbombdood first.).
07:49:19 * immibis_ eats bsmntbombdood
07:49:35 * pikhq eats immibis_
07:49:49 * oerjan eats pikhq
07:49:57 * pikhq eats oerjan
07:50:00 <immibis_> ~exec sys.stdout("\001ACTION eats everybody then explodes\001")
07:50:01 * bsmnt_bot eats everybody then explodes
07:50:18 <immibis_> ~exec sys.stdout("\001ACTION is a cannibal - he eats other bots\001")
07:50:18 * bsmnt_bot is a cannibal - he eats other bots
07:50:34 <bsmnt_bot> pikhq told me: ~exec sys.stdout("\001ACTION eats himself, too.\001")
07:50:37 <pikhq> Damn it.
07:50:46 <immibis_> lol
07:51:01 <immibis_> ~exec self.raw("QUIT")
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07:51:25 * pikhq should sleep
07:52:00 <immibis_> ~exec self.register_raw(r":\S+ NOTICE \S+ :!A (.*)", lambda x,y: sys.stdout("\001ACTION "+y.group(1)+"\001"))
07:52:37 -!- immibis_ has changed nick to immibi.
07:52:38 -!- immibi has changed nick to immibis.
07:52:53 * bsmnt_bot is an idiot
07:53:07 <Arrogant> Yep.
07:53:08 <immibis> /notice bsmnt_bot !A ACTION_COMMAND
07:53:42 * bsmnt_bot blows up
07:53:47 * bsmnt_bot is not bsmnt_bot
07:53:48 <oerjan> so, so, just because you're not human is no reason to look down on yourself
07:53:58 * bsmnt_bot is human, oerjan
07:54:05 * bsmnt_bot is oerjan
07:54:12 <immibis> oerjan, please use only your own nick
07:54:46 * bsmnt_bot will _not_ do that.
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07:57:50 * bsmnt_bot makes fun of helios24
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07:58:44 * bsmnt_bot makes fun of you, too
07:59:36 <pikhq> ~exec self.register_rw(r":\S+ NOTICE \S+ :!S (.*)", lambda x,y: sys.stdout(y.group(1)))
07:59:37 <bsmnt_bot> AttributeError: IRCbot instance has no attribute 'register_rw'
07:59:43 <pikhq> ~exec self.register_raw(r":\S+ NOTICE \S+ :!S (.*)", lambda x,y: sys.stdout(y.group(1)))
07:59:57 * bsmnt_bot kicks immibis (immibis!n=IceChat7@125-238-176-25.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz) Reason (bsmnt_bot)
07:59:58 -!- immibis has left (?).
07:59:58 <bsmnt_bot> It works.
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08:00:05 <immibis> hey!
08:00:10 <bsmnt_bot> It works.
08:00:28 <bsmnt_bot> I'm a fun bot to mess with. :D
08:01:03 <pikhq> Cool. Now I can do a two-person comedy routine by myself. :p
08:01:11 <lament> you are pathetic.
08:01:18 <pikhq> No, you are!
08:01:20 * immibis looks at the logs so he can see what someone registered
08:01:27 <bsmnt_bot> I am dumb
08:01:47 <bsmnt_bot> Pikhq, he's not pathetic. He's not good enough for that.
08:01:51 <pikhq> Bweheheh.
08:02:14 <immibis> do i dare do ~exec self.register_raw(r"(.*)",lambda x,y: sys.stdout(y.group(1))) ?
08:02:25 <immibis> ~exec self.register_raw(r"(.*)",lambda x,y: sys.stdout(y.group(1)))
08:02:37 <oerjan> apparently you did.
08:02:38 <bsmnt_bot> :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently you did.
08:02:44 <immibis> ~exec self.raw_regex_queue.pop()
08:02:45 <bsmnt_bot> :immibis!n=IceChat7@125-238-176-25.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :~exec self.raw_regex_queue.pop()
08:02:52 <immibis> is it gone
08:02:54 <immibis> yes
08:03:15 <bsmnt_bot> Hey! Stop being evil! Please?
08:03:31 <immibis> ~exec self.register_raw(r"(.*)",lambda x,y: sys.stdout("I am evil"))
08:03:35 <immibis> hello bot
08:03:36 <bsmnt_bot> I am evil
08:03:38 <immibis> ok
08:03:38 <bsmnt_bot> I am evil
08:03:43 <immibis> i know
08:03:44 <bsmnt_bot> I am evil
08:03:46 <immibis> lol
08:03:46 <bsmnt_bot> I am evil
08:04:00 <pikhq> ~exec self.raw("
08:04:01 <bsmnt_bot> I am evil
08:04:01 <bsmnt_bot> SyntaxError: EOL while scanning single-quoted string
08:04:03 <bsmnt_bot> I am evil
08:04:05 <bsmnt_bot> I am evil
08:04:07 <bsmnt_bot> I am evil
08:04:11 <bsmnt_bot> I am evil
08:04:13 <bsmnt_bot> I am evil
08:04:15 <bsmnt_bot> I am evil
08:04:19 <bsmnt_bot> I am evil
08:04:20 <pikhq> ~exec self.raw("PART #esoteric :You see?")
08:04:23 <bsmnt_bot> I am evil
08:04:25 -!- bsmnt_bot has left (?).
08:04:34 <immibis> now how will you get it back?
08:04:45 <oerjan> whoops
08:04:54 <immibis> bsmntbombdood: please restart the bot
08:05:08 <lament> well, now at least there will be some peace and quiet.
08:05:10 <pikhq> Make it respond to privmsgs, more like.
08:05:39 <oerjan> lament: i wouldn't bet on that.
08:05:39 <immibis> um, messages sent to a channel are privmsgs
08:05:57 <immibis> someone please ask themselves to ask themselves to do what they just told themselves to do
08:06:23 <pikhq> Rather, make it respond to privmsgs not coming from the channel.
08:06:27 * boily suffers recursively
08:06:31 <lament> lament, ask yourself to do what i just told you to do.
08:06:49 <pikhq> And make it make me go to sleep.
08:06:51 <immibis> cancel that order
08:07:16 <lament> lament, ask yourself to do what i just told you to do.
08:07:20 <immibis> someone please tell themselves to "repeat this sentence" without modifying the text between the quotes and without saying the quotes
08:07:55 <Arrogant> repeat this sentence
08:07:59 <lament> lament, someone please tell themselves to repeat this sentence without modifying the text between the quotes and without saying the quotes
08:08:07 <immibis> repeat this sentence
08:08:28 <lament> lament: there're no quotes in that sentence, are you feeling okay?
08:08:35 <lament> lament: er... sorry.
08:08:43 <lament> lament: okay, you run along now
08:09:02 <lament> okay, i'm leaving, good night all
08:09:05 <lament> bye lament
08:09:09 <lament> bye!
08:09:46 <immibis> lament, are you ok?
08:11:01 <immibis> everyone do /notice bsmnt_bot !A * repeatedly so that bsmnt_bot floods himself off with the replies
08:11:05 <immibis> and comes back on
08:11:13 <oerjan> oh...
08:11:17 <oerjan> that might work
08:11:25 <immibis> it might not
08:11:29 <immibis> he is not on the channel
08:11:34 <immibis> so he cannot reply to the channel
08:11:41 <immibis> so he can't actually send a message
08:11:45 <immibis> he = it
08:12:25 <oerjan> fizzie: turn off the +n option on the channel :)
08:12:49 <immibis> what is +n
08:13:15 <pikhq> Prevents people from sending PRIVMSGs to channels they're not in.
08:13:27 <immibis> ok
08:13:54 <immibis> lament, you do it. you are registered with chanserv with this channel
08:14:25 * pikhq must sleep
08:14:28 <oerjan> oh, i just knew about fizzie.
08:14:40 * immibis knows that pikhq must sleep
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08:18:37 <immibis> someone? is there anyone here who can get chanop privileges and make this channel -n?
08:19:34 <immibis> [19:18] ->> lament is away: N/A - sleeping
08:20:21 -!- ChanServ has set channel mode: -stm+c.
08:20:28 -!- ChanServ has set channel mode: -sntm+c.
08:20:34 <fizzie> I'm not exactly convinced you'll get it flood itself away, though.
08:21:06 <fizzie> ('n' was part of the chanserv-enforced modes there.)
08:21:24 <bsmnt_bot> I am evil
08:21:38 <immibis> then how...
08:21:42 <bsmnt_bot> I am evil
08:21:42 <bsmnt_bot> I am evil
08:21:43 <bsmnt_bot> I am evil
08:21:43 <bsmnt_bot> I am evil
08:21:43 <bsmnt_bot> I am evil
08:21:44 <bsmnt_bot> I am evil
08:21:45 <bsmnt_bot> I am evil
08:21:47 <bsmnt_bot> I am evil
08:21:49 <bsmnt_bot> I am evil
08:21:51 <bsmnt_bot> I am evil
08:21:53 <bsmnt_bot> I am evil
08:21:55 <bsmnt_bot> I am evil
08:21:57 <bsmnt_bot> I am evil
08:21:59 <bsmnt_bot> I am evil
08:22:01 <bsmnt_bot> I am evil
08:22:03 <bsmnt_bot> I am evil
08:22:05 <bsmnt_bot> I am evil
08:22:07 <bsmnt_bot> I am evil
08:22:09 <bsmnt_bot> I am evil
08:22:11 <bsmnt_bot> I am evil
08:22:13 <bsmnt_bot> I am evil
08:22:15 <bsmnt_bot> I am evil
08:22:17 <bsmnt_bot> I am evil
08:22:19 <bsmnt_bot> I am evil
08:22:21 <bsmnt_bot> I am evil
08:22:23 <bsmnt_bot> I am evil
08:22:25 <bsmnt_bot> I am evil
08:22:27 <bsmnt_bot> I am evil
08:22:28 <immibis> still not flooding
08:22:29 <bsmnt_bot> I am evil
08:22:31 <bsmnt_bot> I am evil
08:22:33 <bsmnt_bot> I am evil
08:22:34 <immibis> yes we know
08:22:35 <bsmnt_bot> I am evil
08:22:37 <bsmnt_bot> I am evil
08:22:39 <bsmnt_bot> I am evil
08:22:41 <bsmnt_bot> I am evil
08:22:42 <fizzie> I seem to remember some anti-flood delays there.
08:22:43 <bsmnt_bot> I am evil
08:22:45 <bsmnt_bot> I am evil
08:22:47 -!- ChanServ has set channel mode: -stm+nc.
08:22:55 <fizzie> I think that was enough evilness for a while.
08:23:29 <immibis> if there was some way to send commands to it directly then there is a way to avoid its anti-flood delay
08:23:38 <immibis> or we could ask bsmntbombdood to restart it
08:24:05 <fizzie> The latter sounds like the sensible alternative. (And therefore to be avoided, of course.)
08:24:11 <oerjan> i know bsmnt_bot has anti-flood delays but i thought they applied only to a single action.
08:24:14 <oerjan> he went to bed he said
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08:24:57 <immibis> oerjan: if you do ~exec sys.stdout("Command \n command \n command \n command...") then they all happen at the same time
08:26:02 <oerjan> immibis: i was pretty sure each call to sys.stdout had flood protection.
08:26:23 <oerjan> it doesn't start throttling immediately, but after a few lines.
08:26:35 <immibis> each individual call, yes, but if you have multiple commands in a single call then it doesn't seem o happen
08:26:38 <immibis> *to
08:27:04 <immibis> i mean, it doesn't seem to activate the flood protection
08:27:37 <oerjan> that's what i thought to (but your example above is not executing commands, but printing them.)
08:27:42 <oerjan> *too
08:27:55 <immibis> oops
08:28:01 <immibis> self.raw then instead of sys.stdout
08:28:11 <oerjan> doesn't help.
08:28:20 <oerjan> or maybe it does, i'm not sure.
08:28:29 <oerjan> you mean exec.
08:28:39 <immibis> yes, ~exec self.raw(".....")
08:28:51 <oerjan> no, ~exec exec (".....")
08:29:08 <immibis> why
08:29:23 <oerjan> because then you could actually run several commands.
08:29:31 <immibis> ~exec self.raw("PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flooding\nPRIVMSG #esoteric :Flooding\nPRIVMSG #esoteric :Flooding")
08:29:37 <immibis> several irc commands not python commands
08:29:59 <oerjan> i am not sure whether that would trigger the flood protection or not.
08:31:16 <oerjan> while i believe ~exec while 1: self.raw("PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flooding") has a better chance.
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08:34:52 <immibis> ~exec sys.stdout(1+1)
08:35:04 <oerjan> hah!
08:35:37 <immibis> ~exec sys.stdout(1+1)
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08:35:43 <immibis> ~exec sys.stdout("X")
08:35:51 <bsmntbot> 3
08:36:36 <immibis> ~exec sys.stdout("I am a bot")
08:36:40 <bsmntbot> I am not a bot
08:36:51 * oerjan thinks someone must think he has poor eyesight.
08:37:01 <fizzie> I am not a bot. I am a free man!
08:37:29 <immibis> ~exec sys.stdout(time.localtime())
08:37:33 <bsmntbot> Right now, silly
08:37:43 <oerjan> fizzie: it took a long time to program you to believe that you're not just an IRC bot
08:37:57 <fizzie> oerjan; That does not compute at all!
08:38:39 <bsmntbot> Unknown command: oerjan;
08:38:48 <oerjan> of course it does not compute, we had to turn off that part of your logic circuits to make it work
08:38:53 * bsmntbot is making a bottle in a message with cold milk for this channel
08:38:53 * bsmntbot is making a bottle in a message with cold milk for #esoteric
08:38:54 * bsmntbot gives everyone in this channel a bottle in a message with cold milk
08:38:54 * bsmntbot gives #esoteric a bottle in a message with cold milk
08:39:08 <bsmntbot> DDUDUd
08:39:18 <bsmntbot> DUD
08:39:27 <bsmntbot> I SMELL A PING? PONG!
08:39:33 <bsmntbot> I SMELL A PING? PONG!
08:39:42 <immibis> ~exec self.clarify()
08:39:54 <bsmntbot> NameError
08:40:02 <bsmntbot> BotError
08:40:06 <bsmntbot> ExistenceFailure
08:40:15 <bsmntbot> BlahBlah
08:40:24 <bsmntbot> Milkies!
08:40:33 <bsmntbot> /me is age two
08:40:42 <bsmntbot> and a very smart two-year-old indeed
08:40:43 <bsmntbot> and a very smart two-year-old indeed
08:40:43 <bsmntbot> and a very smart two-year-old indeed
08:40:43 <bsmntbot> and a very smart two-year-old indeed
08:40:43 <bsmntbot> and a very smart two-year-old indeed
08:40:44 <bsmntbot> and a very smart two-year-old indeed
08:40:45 <bsmntbot> and a very smart two-year-old indeed
08:40:47 <bsmntbot> and a very smart two-year-old indeed
08:40:49 <bsmntbot> and a very smart two-year-old indeed
08:40:51 <bsmntbot> and a very smart two-year-old indeed
08:41:00 <bsmntbot> a spamming 2-year-old
08:41:05 -!- bsmntbot has changed nick to SpammingBot.
08:41:05 <SpammingBot> spamming. Buy my iPod!
08:41:05 <SpammingBot> spamming. Buy my iPhone!
08:41:05 <SpammingBot> spamming. Get the latest offer on all chocolate bar accessories!
08:41:05 <SpammingBot> spamming. All the latest travel insurance stuff and nonsense!
08:41:06 <SpammingBot> spamming. Go to #arianne!!
08:41:06 -!- SpammingBot has quit (Excess Flood).
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08:41:22 <immibis> ~exec self.raw("QUIT")
08:42:25 -!- bsmntbot has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)).
08:42:30 <immibis> \ghost w
08:42:38 <immibis> oops
08:43:02 <immibis> someone, please print the 99 cans of Spam (TM) lyrics
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09:22:23 <GreaseMonkey> now THAT'S what I call a ridiculously small interpreter: http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/MiniMAX
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10:32:58 <Sukoshi> GreaseMonkey: If you reduce BF to smaller cases and then byte encode each instruction, you can probably fit a BF interpreter (pure ASM) in a few bytes.
10:33:39 <GreaseMonkey> i managed to get an OISC interpreter in 32 bytes
10:33:46 <GreaseMonkey> anyways, gtg, gnight
10:34:32 <Sukoshi> That's because OISC's instruction is complicated.
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13:38:45 <ais523> ~exec 0
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13:39:01 <ais523> see, bsmnt_bot's all back to normal.
13:39:22 <ais523> (I was logreading and saw how someone managed to get it to part by mistake, but I've got it back to normal over the normal IRC channels.)
13:39:42 <oerjan> how? :)
13:39:55 <ais523> it was still in #bsmnt_bot_errors
13:40:05 <ais523> so I told it to JOIN #esoteric
13:40:11 <ais523> and then popped the odious evil regexp
13:40:27 <oerjan> what? i thought i checked that channel and didn't find it
13:40:44 <ais523> maybe you typoed?
13:40:45 <oerjan> must have left off a _ somewhere.
13:40:59 <ais523> I used /whois to verify which channels it was in
13:41:28 <oerjan> now wait a minute i am _sure_ i did that. must be going blind.
13:41:56 <ais523> unless bsmntbombdood's playing some sort of joke by getting it to join the errors channel while nobody's looking...
13:42:12 <ais523> s/playing/played/
13:42:23 <ais523> s/'s//
13:49:53 <ihope_> Hmm... so we could be evil by making the bot leave every channel?
13:50:56 <ais523> looking at the logs, there was quite enough evil going on even with the bots here
13:51:00 <ais523> (possibly even because of them)
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15:19:17 <RodgerTheGreat> hi, everyone
15:38:28 <ihope_> Ello.
15:38:49 <RodgerTheGreat> 'sup, ihope_?
15:38:59 <RodgerTheGreat> how's that underscore workin' out for ya?
15:39:07 <ihope_> Mm, it's a little itchy.
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15:39:27 <ihope> There, that's better.
15:59:36 <RodgerTheGreat> bbl
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18:25:01 <lament> well?
18:25:41 <oerjan> not really, i've got an upset stomach.
18:25:51 <oerjan> or were you asking something else?
18:25:58 <lament> should have eaten less bsmntbombdood
18:26:27 <oerjan> nah, it was worth it.
18:44:42 <ihope> Which part of him did you eat?
18:45:27 <Arrogant> ((y-lambda (self) (λ (n) (if (zero? n) 1 (* n (self (- n 1)))))) 5) ; 120
18:45:30 <Arrogant> <3 scheme
18:45:54 <ihope> Now, what's that in Haskell?
18:46:08 <ihope> I see a large number of parentheses.
18:46:20 <Arrogant> I don't know enough Haskell to get the job done
18:47:20 <oerjan> what is y-lambda?
18:47:27 <oerjan> and ?
18:49:20 <Arrogant> its a macro that uses the y combinator to make the lambda anonymously recursive
18:49:34 <ihope> So y-lambda is lambda except that it applies "fix" to the result.
18:49:37 <ihope> I think.
18:49:44 <ihope> zero? in Haskell would be (== 0)
18:49:48 <ihope> I think.
18:49:51 <Arrogant> err what?
18:50:05 <Arrogant> no, y-lambda passes the lambda into itself so that it can call itself recursively
18:50:47 <ihope> (y-lambda (x) (E)) = ((lambda (x) (E)) (y-lambda (x) (E))), right?
18:51:09 <oerjan> fix (\self n -> if (n==0) then 1 else n*self(n-1)) 5
18:51:34 <Arrogant> what does fix do?
18:51:47 <ihope> Arrogant: (fix x) = (x (fix x))
18:51:53 <Arrogant> more important, why is it called fix
18:52:03 <ihope> It returns a fixed point of the function.
18:52:10 <Arrogant> Ahhh I forgot about that term
18:52:13 <ihope> let self n = if (n == 0) then 1 else n * self (n-1) in self 5
18:52:27 <ihope> let self 0 = 1; self n = n * self (n-1) in self 5
18:52:31 <Arrogant> (define y-combinator (λ (x) ((λ (p) (x (λ (n) ((p p) n)))) (λ (p) (x (λ (n) ((p p) n)))))))
18:52:35 <Arrogant> (define-macro y-lambda
18:52:35 <Arrogant> (λ (self proc)
18:52:35 <Arrogant> (let ((self-symbol (car self)))
18:52:35 <Arrogant> `(y-combinator (λ (,self-symbol) ,proc)))))
18:52:52 <oerjan> mind you, product [1..n] is shorter :)
18:53:05 <ihope> This language doesn't like recursive definitions?
18:53:19 <Arrogant> Sure it does
18:53:22 <ihope> Shorter and pretty much just as efficient!
18:53:24 <Arrogant> If its named
18:53:41 <ihope> Well, fix can certainly be defined recursively...
18:54:03 <Arrogant> Are you really bashing Scheme with Haskell? I mean c'mon.
18:55:40 <ihope> I guess it's not like Scheme and Haskell aren't very similar.
18:55:55 <ihope> (product (enumFromTo 1 n))
18:56:06 <Arrogant> They're really not very similar
18:56:31 <oerjan> hah! impure, filthy untyped language!
18:56:34 <ihope> Well, yes, Haskell has a static type system and an IO monad.
18:56:40 <oerjan> </troll>
18:56:51 <Arrogant> Scheme is imperative
18:56:54 <ihope> Haskell has things people that like Haskell like.
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18:57:06 <Arrogant> Don't get me wrong, I like Haskell too
18:57:12 <Arrogant> I didn't bring it up to compare anything
18:57:19 <Arrogant> I like lots of languages for different reasons
18:57:26 <RodgerTheGreat> 'sup, guys?
18:57:31 <Arrogant> Err, I liked Haskell
18:57:36 <Arrogant> When I was trying to understand it
18:58:17 <oklopol> RodgerTheGreat: improving my memory still
18:59:07 <oklopol> found a book about general brain power improvement or something... "Some subjects have been able to process more than 690000 words per minute!"
18:59:07 <RodgerTheGreat> hi, oklopol
18:59:15 <RodgerTheGreat> woah
18:59:20 <RodgerTheGreat> that's pretty crazy
18:59:24 <oklopol> heh
18:59:48 <oklopol> the memory tricks seem to work, but that other one sounds more like magic
18:59:55 <oklopol> 'that other book
18:59:56 <oklopol> *
19:00:06 <RodgerTheGreat> that would take going from recognizing text at a word level up to recognizing at sentence or paragraph level in a glance
19:00:08 <RodgerTheGreat> yeah
19:00:42 <RodgerTheGreat> and I'm pretty sure that figure would entail grokking an entire book in about a minute
19:00:47 <ihope> "Book, please." *flipflipflip* "Thank you."
19:00:53 <oklopol> heh
19:01:05 <ihope> Less than a minute, I'm thinking.
19:01:10 <RodgerTheGreat> which is pretty ridiculous (not that it wouldn't be handy, especially if you had total recall)
19:01:15 * oerjan recalls the aliens in Childhood's End could do that.
19:01:32 <ihope> "I've been told that the overall length of a novel should be between 75,000 and 100,000 words. However, it appears that most fantasy novels are larger (witness the Jordan and Goodkind novels.) Terry Goodkind's first novel (Wizard's First Rule) was huge, around 250,000 words in length." http://www.hatrack.com/writingclass/lessons/2000-08-02-1.shtml
19:01:34 <oklopol> there's a technique for learning to read a long book in 20 min or something... guess i'll learn that too, if it really exists
19:02:29 <RodgerTheGreat> I'd guess the 690000 figure is off by a zero... or maybe a couple
19:03:04 <oklopol> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/guernsey/6591365.stm
19:03:10 <RodgerTheGreat> 690 words per minute I can believe. 6900 words per minute is pretty amazing. 69000 sounds nearly impossible
19:03:14 <lament> ihope: that's a very strange thing to "be told"
19:03:37 <oklopol> the invasion is near
19:03:37 <oerjan> perhaps it's the "minute" that is wrong.
19:03:41 <oklopol> heh
19:03:44 <oklopol> "year"
19:03:47 <RodgerTheGreat> hour?
19:04:22 <RodgerTheGreat> 11,500 words per minute seems a lot closer to physical possibility
19:04:38 <RodgerTheGreat> although still astronomically hard
19:05:21 <ihope> I think "day" is... possible.
19:05:27 <RodgerTheGreat> hm
19:05:34 <RodgerTheGreat> yeah, I could believe that
19:06:10 <RodgerTheGreat> assuming reading for 12 hours of the day, that's ~958 WPM
19:06:22 <RodgerTheGreat> I'd classify that within the realm of possibility
19:06:39 <RodgerTheGreat> but I think most people would have difficulty sustaining that level of concentration for very long
19:07:21 <RodgerTheGreat> remember, that's a steady rate of 16 words *per second*
19:07:52 <RodgerTheGreat> literally, you'd have to be reading entire sentences at once
19:08:01 <ihope> 690,000 words per minute at 500 words per page about 23 pages a second.
19:08:15 <RodgerTheGreat> yeah, that's impossible
19:08:24 <RodgerTheGreat> you couldn't mechanically do that and resolve the images
19:08:38 <oerjan> i am starting to think the "minute" is right and the number is wrong then.
19:08:49 <RodgerTheGreat> I dunno
19:08:54 <ihope> You'd need a computer.
19:09:14 <ihope> "Ebook, please." *churn churn churn* "Thank you."
19:09:18 <oerjan> perhaps someone missed translating a decimal point convention.
19:09:30 <oerjan> 690,000 would mean 690 in norwegian.
19:09:54 <ihope> And many other languages and such.
19:10:07 <ihope> 690.000 seems an odd number, though.
19:10:16 <ihope> (Even though it's clearly even.)
19:10:35 <ihope> Did nobody reach 690.002 per minute?
19:10:49 <RodgerTheGreat> yeah, there's no need for that many precision levels in a words-per-minute figure
19:11:03 <oerjan> i was wondering why they didn't simply round it to 700,000
19:11:31 <ihope> That'd make it a lie? :-P
19:11:31 <RodgerTheGreat> and say "up to", which is my favorite meaningless phrase
19:11:34 <oklopol> "690,000 words per minute"
19:11:39 <ihope> Ah, yes.
19:12:04 <ihope> I've seen an ad for a free energy generator. They guaranteed it would produce up to a certain amount.
19:13:03 <oklopol> ?
19:13:22 <ihope> Up to a certain amount.
19:13:32 <RodgerTheGreat> SAVE UP TO $500!
19:13:38 <bsmntbombdood> what
19:13:48 <RodgerTheGreat> if you read that ad and saved $2, they weren't technically lying
19:13:50 <ihope> bsmntbombdood: eh?
19:13:55 <oklopol> my dad's friend is a scientist (alex kaivarainen), he has this theory about something called bivacuum, which guarantees practically infinite energy for free
19:13:58 <RodgerTheGreat> because "up to" just means <=
19:14:04 <ihope> Hah.
19:14:12 <RodgerTheGreat> "at least" is a far more useful figure
19:14:25 <ihope> "Up to" can mean either <= or >=!
19:14:29 <RodgerTheGreat> or "starting at" (although this one is often used misleadingly)
19:14:38 <RodgerTheGreat> ihope: true
19:14:52 <oklopol> ihope: no it can't :\
19:15:08 <ihope> Either <= or =?
19:15:18 <ihope> ("Starting at" always lists the lowest price, doesn't it? :-)
19:15:38 <ihope> "You're allowed to go up to 50 miles an hour" versus
19:15:40 <ihope> Er.
19:15:44 <oklopol> "up to" == "<="
19:15:53 <Arrogant> Starting at just $400,000
19:16:08 <ihope> Versus "some cyclists got up to 50 miles an hour".
19:16:23 * ihope hits his " key
19:16:33 <ihope> (Choose either sense.)
19:16:38 <oklopol> ihope: how are those different?
19:16:51 <RodgerTheGreat> "up to" can mean <= but not equal to.
19:16:58 <ihope> oklopol: doesn't "some cyclists got up to 50 miles an hour" imply that 50 was actually achieved?
19:17:12 <bsmntbombdood> busy channel today
19:17:28 <Arrogant> My fault
19:17:30 <RodgerTheGreat> up to 5 -> [-infinity,5)
19:17:47 <RodgerTheGreat> I thought of it as asymptotic
19:17:50 <ihope> I think you mean (-infinity,5]...
19:18:21 <RodgerTheGreat> no, because you can "reach" negative infinity, but you can only get infinitesimally close to 5
19:18:35 <Arrogant> At which point does -infinity become infinity? How many bits does the universe allow for floating points?
19:18:36 <RodgerTheGreat> ( means approaches asymptotically, [ means actually reaches
19:18:39 <ihope> That's <=?
19:18:50 <RodgerTheGreat> Arrogant: infinity is not a number
19:18:52 <ihope> Looks more like <.
19:19:03 <Arrogant> Thanks for that
19:19:05 <RodgerTheGreat> it's a symbol and such operates with some unusual rules
19:19:10 <oklopol> RodgerTheGreat: i guess Arrogant was somewhat joking
19:19:15 <RodgerTheGreat> oh.
19:19:18 <RodgerTheGreat> lol
19:19:19 <oklopol> Arrogant: read programming the universe
19:19:21 <RodgerTheGreat> ok, nvm there
19:19:23 <oklopol> and you'll have the answer.
19:19:32 <oklopol> "programming the universe"
19:19:40 <Arrogant> I was in here talking about y combinators and you don't think I understand infinity
19:19:42 <Arrogant> I am confused
19:20:09 <oklopol> Arrogant: nerds always want to share information for any smallest excuse
19:20:25 <RodgerTheGreat> I didn't hear you talking about y combinators and you expressed something about infinity that was in error.
19:20:45 <Arrogant> Well what I was referring to, to be exact
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19:21:06 <Arrogant> Was INT_MIN and INT_MAX of the universe, I guess
19:21:09 <oklopol> RodgerTheGreat: note, however, that it was clearly a joke referring to the floating point value #INF :)
19:21:09 <Arrogant> If you want to be picky
19:21:25 <Arrogant> Or whatever values
19:21:27 <Arrogant> You'd like
19:21:28 <RodgerTheGreat> oklopol: ok, well I completely missed that reference
19:22:00 <oklopol> yeah, but that's not the point, the point is the book is great
19:22:04 <RodgerTheGreat> ok
19:22:22 <oklopol> i love advertising book i've managed to read
19:22:27 <RodgerTheGreat> haha
19:22:31 <oklopol> it's such a rare treat
19:22:46 <oklopol> *books
19:22:56 <RodgerTheGreat> my favorite book to plug is "The First Computers: History and Architectures"
19:23:10 <oklopol> i know, but indeed i should dl it
19:23:15 <RodgerTheGreat> it's an absolutely fantastic read
19:23:56 <oklopol> yar i remember your conversation
19:23:59 <oklopol> guess i'll read it
19:24:46 <oklopol> nooo i can't find a torrent for it :<<
19:24:57 <RodgerTheGreat> lol- shut down
19:25:39 <oklopol> i wonder if you can buy books... what a wacky thought
19:25:52 <RodgerTheGreat> jesus- the book is a lot more expensive than I remember it being on Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/First-Computers-History-Architectures-History-Computing/dp/0262681374/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/104-5639127-6414343?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1182795843&sr=8-1
19:26:01 <RodgerTheGreat> I got my copy for like $20. <:/
19:27:03 <oklopol> the money is not an issue, however, i can't pay online
19:27:12 <oklopol> and i'm certainly not leaving my house
19:27:15 <oklopol> it's vacation!
19:27:20 <RodgerTheGreat> haha
19:28:06 <RodgerTheGreat> if I remember right, a couple of major stores sell visa-backed "one-time-use" credit cards that you can buy with cash and use online
19:28:18 <RodgerTheGreat> they might provide a solution
19:28:57 <oklopol> OR i could tell my dad i want the book like an adult :|
19:29:44 <RodgerTheGreat> lol
19:29:57 <oklopol> that'd be the easiest way
19:30:13 <RodgerTheGreat> it's an educational book- I'm sure reasonable parents would be willing to help you out
19:30:35 <oklopol> my dad buys me pretty much any book related to computers
19:30:43 <RodgerTheGreat> go for it, then
19:30:49 <oklopol> guess he believes in me or smth
19:30:50 <oklopol> :D
19:31:07 <RodgerTheGreat> my parents were always pretty supportive, but computer books are so darned expensive. :S
19:31:16 <oklopol> hmm... he had this other friend, a scientist as well, he offered to give me 2000 math book for free
19:31:21 <RodgerTheGreat> wow
19:31:25 <oklopol> ...the catch was they were in russian
19:31:29 <RodgerTheGreat> haha
19:31:33 <RodgerTheGreat> can you read russian?
19:31:58 <bsmntbombdood> computer books are too expensive
19:32:14 <oklopol> this guy had some issues, kept offering me beer even though i had my last one half-full (<- see, i'm an optimist), and kept saying the same things over and over again
19:32:16 <oklopol> i can
19:32:18 <oklopol> i can'
19:32:20 <oklopol> i can't
19:32:23 <oklopol> -...
19:32:29 <oklopol> the last one is correct
19:32:41 <oerjan> i read learning russian was on the way up in finland, or something, unsurprisingly.
19:33:03 <oklopol> oerjan: doubt that
19:33:57 <oklopol> just read from a magazine this morning that they can't find finnish people with russian skills anywhere, so estonians are hired to handle russian relations
19:34:00 <oklopol> or smth
19:34:09 <oklopol> hmm
19:34:16 <RodgerTheGreat> bsmntbombdood: this is why I'm tremendously glad how much reference information is available freely on the internet
19:34:24 <oklopol> i never read magazines, quite a coinsidence
19:34:45 <RodgerTheGreat> things like online javadocs, tutorial sites and w3schools have saved me hundreds of dollars in books
19:34:53 <bsmntbombdood> RodgerTheGreat: dead trees are easier to read
19:35:12 <RodgerTheGreat> I generally stick to dead trees for reference books
19:35:24 <oklopol> i like reading pdf's
19:35:28 <RodgerTheGreat> I have a bunch of o'reilly pocket references, which are lifesavers
19:35:49 <RodgerTheGreat> but I don't buy many huge "complete programming language" books
19:36:12 <RodgerTheGreat> and lest we forget- hypertext is easier to *search*
19:36:21 <RodgerTheGreat> which can save you a great deal of reading
19:37:33 <bsmntbombdood> yeah
19:44:10 <bsmntbombdood> bong hits 4 jesus!!!!!!!!!!111
19:46:08 <lament> i can read russian, but not finnish :(
19:46:15 <lament> maybe i should learn more languages
19:46:22 <lament> then i would have some kind of mostly unique skill
20:00:04 <oklopol> lol a _child_ can learn finnish
20:00:07 <oklopol> it's just that easy
20:00:27 <bsmntbombdood> um....
20:00:32 <bsmntbombdood> a child can learn any language
20:00:48 <oklopol> also, when i seem stupid, it's usually a joke
20:01:07 <RodgerTheGreat> oklopol: that right there is absolutely brilliant
20:01:22 <RodgerTheGreat> bobby henderson quality ass-covering right there. :)
20:01:45 <oklopol> oh
20:01:55 <oklopol> i've done that since i can remember
20:02:29 <oklopol> people never understand almost everything i say is sarcastic
20:02:33 <oklopol> at least a bit
20:03:13 <oklopol> wow, if i read this book and do the execises, i can do _anything_
20:03:19 <oklopol> i can even get rich if i wanna
20:03:28 <oklopol> oh
20:03:34 <oklopol> i can even cure cancer
20:03:40 <oklopol> :)
20:03:46 <oklopol> must be a quality book!
20:04:00 <RodgerTheGreat> sounds pretty cool. how much does it cost?
20:04:10 <oklopol> it's a free pdf!
20:04:50 <oklopol> it's even got a lot of big blue text: "In Short Anything You Want The Only Limit Is That Of Your Own Imagination!"
20:05:41 <bsmntbombdood> oh boy
20:06:17 <RodgerTheGreat> indeed
20:06:38 <oklopol> i just need to learn hypnosis in a few "easy simple steps"
20:07:32 <oklopol> i can already hypnotize my hand to hold perfectly still, even in an otherwise uncomfortable position
20:07:39 <oklopol> something i learned when i was little
20:07:50 <oklopol> *-otherwise
20:07:53 <RodgerTheGreat> how do you... hypnotize your hand?
20:08:08 <RodgerTheGreat> does your hand exhibit independent cognizance?
20:08:12 <RodgerTheGreat> do you consider this normal?
20:08:35 <oklopol> i hold it still and slowly start moving it first forward and thinking there's a wall, then back, then left, then down etc. until i've covered every direction
20:08:44 <oklopol> i do that for a while and it stays put
20:08:55 <oklopol> just my hands, never managed to do anything else :D
20:09:09 <oklopol> my hands are very clever
20:09:52 <oklopol> i'd actually forgotten i could do that, haven't tried it in years
20:09:59 <oklopol> so i might not be able to do it anymore
20:10:02 <oklopol> i'll try now
20:11:00 <oklopol> :<<<<
20:11:03 <oklopol> noooooo
20:11:53 <oklopol> okay
20:12:21 <oklopol> i can make make it stay still if my elbow is on the armrest
20:12:31 <oklopol> and just the rest is up
20:12:48 <oklopol> it seems i can poke it with my other hand and it goes back to where it was
20:13:01 <oklopol> hmm
20:13:26 <oklopol> somehow i feel like i'm in a spaceship writing a log about my weird encounters today
20:13:34 <oklopol> i recommend you read "solaris"
20:14:00 <oklopol> though i might've liked it just because i was so young and hadn't seen such philosophical mumbo jumbe yet
20:14:17 <oklopol> hmm
20:14:26 <oklopol> i might've read it last year though
20:14:27 <bsmntbombdood> wow
20:14:32 <oklopol> whoops, monologue
20:14:42 <oklopol> i never keep my promises to myself.
20:14:53 <RodgerTheGreat> hm
20:15:23 <bsmntbombdood> day-tah-base
20:15:43 <oklopol> *jumbo
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20:17:57 <RodgerTheGreat> dat-ah-base
20:18:10 <lament> solaris is nice
20:18:19 <oklopol> the movie sucked
20:18:22 <lament> um
20:18:25 <lament> the movie was amazing
20:18:27 <oklopol> but i think the book was good
20:18:29 <oklopol> oh
20:18:30 <oklopol> :<
20:18:32 <lament> (the russian movie, of course)
20:18:40 <oklopol> oh :)
20:18:54 <oklopol> the one i saw was in english i think
20:19:00 <lament> the new one did suck terribly. i was watching it with friends and we stopped before they ever got to the station.
20:19:09 <oklopol> heh
20:19:15 <oklopol> they left everything out
20:19:28 <lament> the russian one is by one of the best directors in the history of cinema (tarkovski)
20:19:39 <lament> highly recommended, although it has very little in common with the book
20:19:46 <lament> (lem was very angry about it)
20:20:02 <oklopol> lem being the writer of solaris?
20:20:12 <oklopol> or... lem == lament?
20:20:13 <lament> er, yes.
20:20:13 <oklopol> :)
20:20:15 <oklopol> okay
20:20:17 <lament> dude
20:20:20 <oklopol> like i could remember a name
20:20:23 <lament> how can you not know lem?
20:20:34 <oklopol> i have a hard time remembering my own name
20:20:37 <lament> even ignoring the fact that you've read his book
20:20:40 <oklopol> really.
20:21:31 <lament> it's like not knowing bradbury or asimov. You don't have to have read them to know the names.
20:21:35 <oklopol> i remember a random sequence of letters easier than a name, since i somehow filter every name out as "some name"
20:21:43 <oklopol> isaac asimov?
20:21:56 <oklopol> that one i know from a quiz channel.
20:21:58 <oklopol> :)
20:22:59 <oklopol> i promise i'll remember all of those from now on
20:27:50 <oklopol> hypnosis is apparently the best way to cure skin desorders
20:31:28 <oklopol> i believe that, the words in this book are so big, not just in font but also in semantics
20:32:09 <oklopol> they are so big it takes so long to get them in my head it would be a waste to ignore them
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20:59:02 <ihope> I've read some Asimov.
20:59:12 <bsmntbombdood> i think everyone has
20:59:39 <ihope> And some Williams, some Simpson and some Stanley.
20:59:45 <ihope> :-P
21:01:37 <ihope> And Emko-Brodzik.
21:01:46 <ihope> Except that that's two people, Emko and Brodzik.
21:01:55 <ihope> Maybe I should say Emko/Brodzik, then?
21:02:02 -!- jix_ has joined.
21:02:21 <ihope> And some Trepal.
21:02:26 -!- jix has quit (Nick collision from services.).
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21:02:44 <oerjan> ihope: you are evil.
21:02:55 <ihope> I am?
21:03:16 <oerjan> i don't get a single name after "Asimov".
21:03:55 <ihope> Mason Williams, D.J. Simpson, Mark Stanley, Matt Trepal, Drake Emko, Jen Brodzik.
21:04:18 <ihope> 1/0, Ozy & Millie, Freefall, Fight Cast Or Evade, Hackles.
21:05:15 <oerjan> oh :) then i know two of them.
21:05:44 <ihope> Which two?
21:06:02 <oerjan> 1/0 and Freefall.
21:06:38 <ihope> Ozy & Millie's not bad.
21:06:52 <oerjan> in fact 1/0 was the first real webcomic i read, and i heard about it this autumn on this channel.
21:07:10 <ihope> (I've also read Watterson.)
21:07:47 <oerjan> that's actually less impressive than Asimov, i think.
21:08:26 <ihope> What's less impressive than Asimov?
21:08:49 <oerjan> knowing who Watterson is is less impressive than knowing who Asimov is.
21:19:18 <lament> hm
21:19:25 <lament> probably more people know asimov, though.
21:19:58 <lament> watterson's popularity is vastly surpassed by his creations'.
21:20:30 <lament> asimov didn't actually write any good books, so he's popular, and not the books :)
21:21:23 <oerjan> being immensely and successfully secretive _would_ tend to have that effect.
21:21:45 <lament> i think it's just because he only did one thing.
21:38:12 <Sukoshi> ihope: Neville Chamberlain is less impressive.
21:38:28 <bsmntbombdood> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
21:38:44 <ihope> Lots of insects.
21:39:40 * lament watches as ihope runs out of the channel
21:40:13 <ihope> Lots of...
21:40:15 * ihope runs out of the channel
21:40:18 -!- ihope has left (?).
21:40:27 <bsmntbombdood> nooo he be leavin my channel
21:40:56 <lament> the channel is only yours until you're completely devoured.
21:41:40 -!- ihope has joined.
21:41:50 * ihope completely devours bsmntbombdood
21:42:05 <bsmntbombdood> how devoured am i?
21:42:10 -!- ihope has set topic: The international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment - map: http://www.frappr.com/esolang - forum: http://esolangs.org/forum/ - EgoBot: !help - wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/ - logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ or http://www.ircbrowse.com/cdates.html?channel=esoteric - Pastebin: http://pastebin.ca/ - Here be cannibals. (bsmntbombdood has been eaten.).
21:42:16 <lament> completely.
21:42:16 <ihope> Completely.
21:42:27 <bsmntbombdood> oh well
21:42:31 * bsmntbombdood gets some milk
21:42:46 <oerjan> speak louder, i cannot hear you from inside ihope!
21:43:03 * ihope completely devours bsmntbombdood's refrigerator
21:43:24 <ihope> oerjan: I think he said some weird things involving crazy symbols and actions.
21:43:31 <lament> you're inside ihope? i'm inside YOUR MOM!
21:43:41 <ihope> He said "action", after all.
21:43:59 <ihope> lament is inside bsmntbombdood's mom?
21:44:06 <ihope> I didn't know she was a cannibal too.
21:44:16 <bsmntbombdood> (let ((n 0)) (lambda () (set! n (+ n 1)) n))
21:44:18 <oerjan> the things you learn.
21:44:26 <lament> ihope: all women are. It's their little secret.
21:44:34 * ihope nods
21:44:44 <ihope> There's only one way to... um, accomplish what needs to be accomplished.
21:44:58 * ihope completely devours bsmntbombdood's mom
21:45:28 <bsmntbombdood> lament is inside my mom is inside ihope
21:45:55 <ihope> So I have three people inside me?
21:46:22 <bsmntbombdood> where am i?
21:46:37 * oerjan recalls a fairy-tale involving a hungry cat, and sidles towards the channel exit.
21:47:12 <ihope> Inside me...
21:47:22 <bsmntbombdood> you didn't share me? :(
21:47:32 <ihope> Do you want to be shared?
21:47:46 <bsmntbombdood> selfish ihope
21:47:57 * ihope shares bsmntbombdood
21:48:16 <ihope> Sharing after eating is done all the time by ants. Why can't I do it too?
21:48:36 <ihope> (Transant transfer!)
21:48:57 <oklopol> ..you want to kiss me?
21:49:08 <bsmntbombdood> that's hawt
21:49:11 <oklopol> indeed.
21:50:18 <bsmntbombdood> america is fucked, speech promoting the breaking of laws is illegal
21:51:47 <oklopol> so... you are being illegal?
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21:52:12 <bsmntbombdood> by doing what?
21:52:16 <oklopol> you're clearly promoting us to think that law is wrong making us wanna break it
21:52:32 <bsmntbombdood> well, not illegal, but not protected by the consitution
21:52:52 <oklopol> i don't really know the difference
21:53:43 <bsmntbombdood> illegal means there's a law against it, not protected by the constitution means there can be a law against it
21:54:53 <oklopol> ohh
21:55:00 <oklopol> I LEARNED SOMETHING TODAY
21:57:45 <ihope> Speech promoting the breaking of laws is illegal...
21:58:00 <ihope> Hopefully, though, speech promoting the *changing* of laws is legal.
21:58:16 <bsmntbombdood> ihope: that's a fine line
21:58:25 <ihope> Fine meaning fuzzy?
21:58:28 <bsmntbombdood> hard to tell one from the other
21:59:56 <oklopol> fine meaning thin
22:00:42 <ihope> Isn't a thin line one where you're definitely on one side or the other?
22:01:02 <bsmntbombdood> no
22:01:09 <bsmntbombdood> that's a wide line
22:01:40 <ihope> So the emphasis is on the fact that it's small or hard to see?
22:01:47 <bsmntbombdood> sure
22:02:29 <ihope> I see.
22:04:18 <oklopol> ihope: that's a pretty standard saying
22:04:36 <oklopol> i hope that's a pretty standard saying
22:04:36 <oklopol> hihi
22:05:33 <bsmntbombdood> illegal penetration of the vagina with a penis?
22:05:51 <bsmntbombdood> http://www.slate.com/id/2168758/
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22:17:54 <Keymaker> hmm, does anyone know does 'feult' mean anything in some language? i can't find anything in different dictionaries i've looked at. it's a random name i made for an esolang, but may not be the final name
22:19:55 <oerjan> why, it just so happens to be a terribly insulting word in Athabaskan.
22:21:23 <RodgerTheGreat> heh
22:25:49 <oklopol> feult is kinda tabu here in finland too
22:25:52 <oklopol> ..
22:26:00 <oklopol> keymaker might not believe that though...
22:26:09 <Keymaker> funny, i don't recognize the word :P
22:26:13 <oklopol> :P
22:26:19 <oklopol> because it'
22:26:22 <oklopol> s so tabu
22:26:27 <Keymaker> ah, yes
22:34:41 <oklopol> "Remember your subconscious mind can process more than two million bits of information per second and it never forgets anything!"
22:35:08 <Keymaker> is there any command in python for removing all but specific characters from string? like something that'd remove everything else but "01234" (chars '0' '1' '2'...)
22:35:18 <oklopol> i'd like to see the research on which this is based
22:35:25 <oklopol> Keymaker: yes
22:36:42 <oklopol> hmm... not a straighforward function for that
22:36:50 <oklopol> anyway, it's just a few lines to write that
22:37:22 <oerjan> ~exec sys.stdout(x for x in "012345678", "01234".find(x))
22:37:22 <lament> yes
22:37:23 <bsmnt_bot> SyntaxError: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
22:37:25 <lament> let me think
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22:37:41 <oerjan> ~exec sys.stdout(x for x in "012345678")
22:37:41 <bsmnt_bot> <generator object at 0xb7c4784c>
22:38:28 <oklopol> [x for x in "102937485" if x in "1234"]
22:38:38 <oklopol> but that doesn't work for strings, just lists
22:39:20 <oklopol> you have to do sum([x for x in "102937485" if x in "1234"])
22:39:59 <oklopol> reduce(lambda a,b:a+b,[x for x in "102937485" if x in "1234"])
22:40:04 <oklopol> that will surely work
22:40:12 <oklopol> seems there is no sum.
22:40:23 <lament> there better be.
22:41:10 <lament> filter(lambda x:x in '123', '12345123')
22:41:27 <lament> probably the cleanest solution
22:43:40 <oklopol> lament: that returns a string?
22:43:50 <lament> yes.
22:43:56 <oklopol> i would've used filter, but people don't seem to like filter, remove and map
22:44:01 <oklopol> ...
22:44:03 <oklopol> reduce
22:44:20 <lament> well, they're idiots.
22:44:27 <lament> fister, reduce and map are great functions.
22:44:29 <oklopol> thank you
22:44:30 <oklopol> yeah
22:44:30 <lament> *filter
22:44:32 <lament> also fister.
22:44:37 <oklopol> what's that do?
22:44:41 <lament> fist.
22:45:11 <oklopol> hmm... usb-dildo management integrated in the language?
22:45:20 <oklopol> hmm
22:45:23 <lament> it's not called python for nothing
22:45:27 <lament> (www.python.com)
22:45:34 <oklopol> www.pythong.org
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