00:00:01 I was dis-suspecting the existance of people that do not have a downside. 00:00:23 dis-what? 00:00:25 lament: see my earlier analogy between Evolution and a 3-year-old 00:00:40 I mean that I don't think it happens often if at all. 00:01:18 were there any claims that it happens often? 00:01:19 "breaking something helps fitness" <<< what does that mean? 00:01:33 SimonRC: i've ever only heard of autistic savants 00:01:41 lament: Then you suck. 00:01:45 in a quickly changing society, evolution acts toward a moving target. 00:02:05 therefore improving mutations can be more frequent. 00:03:00 SimonRC: in general, things tend to have downsides 00:03:03 :) 00:03:04 isn't savant just another word for genius? 00:03:23 oklofok: almost 00:03:50 it's a contraction of a longer term 00:04:02 oklofok: Example: turning off a brain area, thorough stroke or TCMS, can improve performence at some tasks. 00:04:09 Savant is a word that shouldn't be applied to "autistic". . . There's a lot of savants, and a lot of autistics, but really, there's not as much overlap as you'd think. . . 00:04:32 so what do we call the overlap? 00:04:42 Autistic savants. 00:04:44 that someone is both 00:04:48 Yeah. 00:04:53 the intersection 00:04:58 (correct this time? :P) 00:05:01 Yeah. 00:05:10 Savant Syndrome describes a person having both a severe developmental or mental handicap and extraordinary mental abilities not found in most people. 00:05:22 *"..." 00:05:30 that cool thing 00:06:44 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autistic_savant 00:07:37 note that [[Savant]] is essentially nothing more than a redirect to [[Autistic savant]] 00:07:52 That's stupid. 00:08:09 pikhq: it's how the world works. 00:08:27 lament: What, that people are stupid? So I've noticed. 00:08:44 pikhq: also, don't confuse your autism with their autism. 00:08:45 huh? it is a disambiguation page. do you mean [[Savant syndrome]]? 00:09:12 oerjan: it's a disambiguation page with only one relevant disambiguation. 00:09:24 lament: I don't; I compare their terminology with reality, and their terminology fails to describe reality. 00:09:43 pikhq: by "their" i meant the autistic savants 00:09:47 Ah. 00:10:01 Ridiculously small subset of autistics. 00:10:24 I mean, that list in the article may very well be a comprehensive list. . . 00:10:29 the point here is that it _is_ a subset of autistics 00:10:53 Well, yes, the set of autistic savants is obviously a subset of the autistics. 00:11:07 yeah, but there doesn't seem to be any other kind of savant that wikipedia knows about 00:11:28 sheesh, i mispasted and now they are discussing the same subject in #haskell :D 00:11:44 oerjan: of course, it's a bunch of autists in both channels :D 00:12:00 lament: The article I'm reading states otherwise. 00:12:05 btw Toxaris gave the link to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperger_syndrome 00:12:08 Did reality fork on me or something? 00:12:57 that link was on this channel a few days a go 00:12:59 or weeks 00:13:00 but anyway 00:13:10 *ago 00:36:54 http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Special:Lonelypages 00:36:56 interesting 00:37:04 we apparently have a page that doesn't actually exist 00:37:09 Brainfuck++ 00:38:53 i think i may have created it when i didn't remember ++ was buggy. 00:39:08 i certainly did for some page 00:40:42 -!- pikhq has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 00:42:10 Deleted. 00:42:25 -!- pikhq has joined. 00:53:27 that was 3 less orphaned pages. Not sure what to do about Gandy machine. Is VENIAL actually esoteric? 00:54:13 "an alternate history BASIC" sounds kinda esoteric 00:54:20 but is it actually a "work in progress"? 00:54:51 well it was added this spring 00:55:05 so give it a few more months 00:55:09 right, he added the page two months ago and never touched it since 00:55:18 and all his edits were in one day 00:55:34 maybe he will return, or maybe he won't 00:55:48 however the names sounds familiar, wasn't he a conlanger? 00:55:50 *name 00:56:26 i added VENIAL to [[Works in progress]], for now 00:58:37 less clear what to do with the Gandy machine 00:59:07 it is already under a category, but that doesn't seem to make it non-orphaned 00:59:14 right 00:59:17 but does the category even fit? 00:59:47 it's not a computational model. It's a set of restrictions for describing stuff. 00:59:56 it's sort of a meta-computational model 01:01:17 so, should it belong in {{Computational models}}, and if not, then where? 01:01:42 I don't think it should belong in {{computational models}} 01:02:49 in fact the way it's presented right now it is basically off-topic... 01:04:06 well, our computational models category is pretty broad in scope, i think 01:05:08 hm 01:05:28 what other article belonging to the category is not a computational model in the strict sense? 01:05:46 it seems to me that a Gandy machine can be described as nested dictionaries. 01:07:10 those principles seem rather silly without any explanation of what parts can be considered atomic 01:09:38 isn't venial just a subset of basic? 01:10:51 i think it is meant to be similar, but different 01:11:19 what's the difference other than subsetness? 01:11:35 no wikipedia article proper but several references to Gandy 01:11:40 except nesting is very avkward in that 01:13:14 (except double my bottom...) 01:13:37 the syntax is incompatible in several places 01:13:45 gah fecking ZBB is borken still 01:13:50 oops, ww 01:56:34 In OOP ``best practice'', whenever there's a chance for a function to return different types, do you have to implement a container class (AKA union) for it? 02:02:35 well, you might have return type be a supertype of the types of the returned things 02:03:02 That'd be just what she said. . . 02:03:07 really? 02:03:23 Yes ... :P 02:03:25 That's kind of what a union does. . . 02:03:36 well, inheriting isn't exactly the same as enclosing those in a new class 02:03:37 *class 02:03:59 if it is, then i'd say 'yes' 02:03:59 Well, I'll be returning primitives, so I can't really make a superclass. 02:04:04 This 'aint Smalltalk, after all. 02:04:16 well, there you go, it is not the same. 02:04:35 Having fun with SICP? 02:04:59 well, if i have to admit it, i kinda like doing the exercises 02:05:16 i mean, the few hard ones 02:05:33 Well, yeah. 02:06:10 the first part didn't really have that much content, but based on the "contents", 3-> will have. 02:07:01 Sukoshi`: how else could you handle returning different types then, may i ask? 02:10:04 oklofok: In this situation, I could do fuding with type conversions to get somewhat different results. 02:10:12 well, i guess you could do it with accessors, but i doubt you'd even consider that :P 02:10:17 I could, hypothetically but I won't, also return an Object[] :D 02:10:22 (i hope you wouldn't) 02:10:29 that is supertyping 02:10:39 which you told me is exactly what you said. 02:10:44 Yeah, but a horrible one. 02:10:48 so... what other ways are there? 02:11:12 Writing a class with slots for both and then having an attribute determine the type inside and returning the type based on that? 02:11:16 i'm just being curious how else that can be done if supertyping and wrapping in a new class are considered the same thing :P 02:11:37 Sukoshi`: you told me that was the same thing. 02:11:52 As? 02:11:54 (04:01:46) (pikhq) That'd be just what she said. . . 02:11:54 (04:01:51) (oklofok) really? 02:11:54 (04:02:07) (Sukoshi`) Yes ... :P 02:11:59 i guess i misunderstood something 02:12:02 Well, it *is*. 02:12:02 i do that sometimes. 02:12:25 But it's not a superclass. 02:12:37 It's a supertype. 02:13:10 anyway, if you need speed, you do not have multiple return types 02:13:17 if you don't, use Double and Integer. 02:13:25 and Character etc. 02:14:17 -!- oerjan has quit ("Good night"). 02:15:26 anyway, dispite all i just said, making a wrapper is nice because you also know what exactly was returned 02:15:34 *despite 02:15:57 True. 02:16:07 I'll probably do that, except it's Japanese time in 3 minutes. 02:16:09 if you actually return data that may have no connection, supertyping makes absolutely no sense. 02:16:16 i mean 02:16:20 the types have no connection 02:16:56 you must know your japan 02:17:18 Yes *nod* I must. 02:17:25 everytime i see you your japan time is starting 02:17:26 why? 02:17:27 zzzzzzzz 02:17:31 you wanna 02:17:32 indeed 02:17:57 It starts at this time every day, and goes for about 2-3 hours. 02:18:07 what time is it? 02:18:09 heyyy 02:18:10 ctcp 02:18:11 hihi 02:18:23 :| 02:18:27 6:15, except according to my watch, and not my machine. 02:18:34 So it's actually 6:18. 02:18:38 oh 02:18:39 Rather 18:18. 02:18:41 you aren't american? 02:18:44 where then? 02:18:50 (then you can go) 02:18:53 California, West Coast. 02:18:55 oh 02:18:58 ah 02:18:59 18 02:19:08 i missed that line 02:19:13 bye, scheme -> 02:27:55 -!- calamari has joined. 02:33:39 why does scheme have 'or' and 'and' but not 'xor'... am i really the only one who actually finds it useful :| 02:34:40 everyone's always bashing xor, even though it has the coolest name of the three 02:35:18 listen to it, really, xorr.. (let the 'r' roll a bit) 02:35:20 xor sux ;) 02:35:24 hehee 02:35:31 what you want are nand or nor 02:35:42 i find use for it as often as for 'or' and 'and' 02:35:45 err nand (or) nor 02:35:50 i mean, 'xor' 02:36:06 nand and not aren't as useful as 'and' and 'or' 02:36:13 and yes, i know what you are going to say. 02:36:38 oh? what am I going to say? :) 02:37:10 that they can both simulate any of the 16 binary operators 02:37:14 alone 02:37:19 i assume that was your point 02:37:40 right 02:37:54 4 / 16 are capable of that iirc 02:38:03 but in everyday code, I don't use them, so I understand where you're coming from 02:38:26 xor is useful very often 02:39:05 at least if you are doing 2 operand ands and ors, xor has about the same amount of uses 02:39:21 but perhaps i just happen to code weird things 02:39:31 ("xorrrr" listen, really) 02:39:32 yeah I think so 02:39:41 I hardly ever use it 02:40:16 hmm 02:40:22 but it depends on what you mean by and/or 02:40:39 &&/|| wins for me .. but &/|/^.. dunno 02:40:39 i could implement it myself... if i knew how macros work 02:41:06 i mean logical 02:41:09 not bitwise 02:41:26 in bitwise logic, they are all used pretty much the same amount 02:42:05 because you set, unset and flip, respectively... and i can't really think of anything else you can do 02:42:19 actually 02:42:25 not respectively, for i failed. 02:42:28 anyway -> 02:44:06 my use for xor would've been: a rational only needs one sign bit. 02:44:07 xor. 02:49:48 (i know that's not the most efficient way, but... xor!) 03:22:21 -!- GregorR-L has joined. 03:22:29 -!- ihope has quit (Connection timed out). 03:28:52 whoa, calamari 03:32:59 bsmntbombdood: yeah? 03:33:07 long time no see 03:49:19 what's new? 03:59:42 PEBBLE still has no array code. . . 04:00:06 I blame you, for no good reason. :p 04:25:35 bbl 04:25:35 -!- calamari has quit ("Leaving"). 05:00:05 -!- immibis has joined. 05:31:58 -!- GreaseMonkey has joined. 05:59:01 Is introspection taxing in Java? 05:59:33 I really don't want to have to write Yet Another Wrapper over multi-file and single-file torrents. The class hierarchy is getting crazy enough. 06:00:09 Oh but ... hmm ... it may be better than generating exceptions when comparing against an Object >_> 06:04:55 Lowest class: IntString (ASCII-ints in an array internally that can yield an int[] or a String on desire), Next level: BencDict, BencList, BencInt, BencString (container formats for the various Bencode types), Next level: abstract BencodeReader (reads one Bencoded value off the wire). Next level: abstract MetainfoReader (reads any Bencoded dict and gives a nice interface to it). Next level: Torrent (contains the info neccessary for t 06:04:55 orrent fun) and Scrape (same with the Scrapes). 07:14:51 immybo will now be using this computer 07:14:57 -!- immibis has changed nick to immybo. 07:56:38 -!- immybo has changed nick to immibis. 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 08:24:41 -!- GregorR-L has quit ("Leaving"). 08:28:33 -!- GreaseMonkey has quit ("copying stuff, need to boot into knoppix"). 09:16:18 -!- immibis has left (?). 09:38:37 -!- GreaseMonkey has joined. 10:27:28 night all 10:27:43 -!- GreaseMonkey has quit ("custom quit messages --> xchat.org <-- hydrairc sucks"). 11:12:22 -!- chorinek has joined. 11:12:38 hi 12:08:09 -!- chorinek has left (?). 13:07:09 -!- RedDak has joined. 13:29:43 -!- ehird` has joined. 13:30:29 -!- blahbot` has joined. 13:33:51 anyone written a wapr program yet? 13:34:37 %wapr &' 13:34:37 [0, 1] 13:34:45 %wapr abc 13:34:45 [59, 60, 61] 13:35:07 %wapr abc('# 13:35:08 -!- blahbot` has quit (Remote closed the connection). 13:36:28 -!- blahbot` has joined. 13:36:53 %reload 13:36:53 Reloaded. 13:36:55 %wapr abc('# 13:36:55 -!- blahbot` has quit (Remote closed the connection). 13:37:14 -!- blahbot` has joined. 13:37:15 %wapr abc(' 13:37:15 [59, 60, 61, 2, 1] 13:38:03 %reload 13:38:03 Reloaded. 13:38:05 %wapr abc('# 13:38:11 %quit 13:38:12 -!- blahbot` has quit (Client Quit). 13:38:23 -!- blahbot` has joined. 13:38:33 %wapr abc('# 13:38:33 -!- blahbot` has quit (Remote closed the connection). 13:39:46 -!- blahbot` has joined. 13:39:47 %reload 13:39:48 Reloaded. 13:39:48 %wapr abc('# 13:39:49 [59, 60, nil, 61] 13:40:30 %reload 13:40:30 Reloaded. 13:40:32 %wapr abc('# 13:40:32 [60, 59, 61] 13:40:55 %wapr & 13:40:55 [0] 13:40:58 %wapr &' 13:40:59 [0, 1] 13:41:02 %wapr &" 13:41:02 [0] 13:41:05 %wapr '" 13:41:05 [-1] 13:41:14 %wapr abc'"'# 13:41:14 [60, 59, 61] 13:41:33 %wapr abc'"&# 13:41:33 [60, 61, 59] 13:41:41 %wapr abc 13:41:41 [59, 60, 61] 13:42:02 %reload 13:42:02 Reloaded. 13:42:04 %wapr abc'"&# 13:42:04 [60, 61, 59] 13:42:17 %wapr '" 13:42:17 [-1] 13:42:21 %wapr '"'"# 13:42:22 [] 13:42:30 %wapr abc&'"# 13:42:31 [59, 60] 13:42:41 %reloda 13:42:42 %reloda 13:42:44 %reload 13:42:44 Reloaded. 13:42:48 ok, %wapr is bug free 13:42:56 first person to write hello world wins somethign :P 13:45:58 and 13:46:01 %wapr Hello, world! 13:46:01 [34, 63, 70, 70, 73, 6, 81, 73] 13:46:03 does not count 13:46:40 %wapr ~/$ 13:46:40 [97] 13:46:48 well there's lowercase a :P 15:10:18 -!- RedDak has quit ("I'm quitting... Bye all"). 15:18:44 -!- calamari has joined. 15:29:54 -!- SimonRC_ has joined. 15:30:54 -!- SimonRC has quit (Nick collision from services.). 15:31:09 -!- SimonRC_ has changed nick to SimonRC. 15:58:45 -!- sebbu has joined. 16:08:13 My Google recruiter has a disgusting habit. 16:08:20 She top-posts! 16:08:21 :-{P 16:08:29 * SimonRC shaves. 16:08:32 :-P 16:08:35 that's better 16:33:56 -!- calamari has quit ("Leaving"). 16:49:07 -!- ihope__ has joined. 16:49:28 -!- ihope__ has changed nick to ihope. 16:58:22 anyone? 17:06:15 SimonRC: modern mail clients, probably including gmail, make it really difficult not to :( 17:16:55 * pikhq is bearded 17:27:06 Because it messes up the order in which people read. 17:27:11 Why shouldn't I top-post? 17:33:32 ehird`: Scheme doesen't want iteration at all, huh? :P 17:33:44 sp3tt: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_posting 17:33:45 :P 17:33:55 lament, you silly 17:34:01 lament: didn't know it was there 17:34:01 lament, read both of his message 17:34:02 s 17:36:34 Q.E.D. 18:07:07 Confusing very things makes it, newsgroups in post-top don't please, way the by. 18:17:52 -!- jix has joined. 18:20:13 lament: really difficult not to top post? 18:20:35 Delete delete page down. 19:03:08 -!- tokigun_ has quit (anthony.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 19:03:38 -!- tokigun_ has joined. 19:16:27 -!- tokigun_ has quit (anthony.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 19:17:15 -!- tokigun_ has joined. 19:17:59 -!- test_ has joined. 19:20:57 -!- test__ has joined. 19:20:57 -!- test_ has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 19:22:05 %wapr someone should write something in wapr! 19:22:05 [77, 73, 71, 63, 73, 72, 63, 77, 66, 73, 79, 70, 62, 81, 76, 67, 78, 63, 77, 73, 71, 63, 78, 66, 67, 72, 65, 67, 72, 81] 19:27:46 -!- sebbu has quit (Connection timed out). 19:30:47 -!- sebbu has joined. 19:35:02 -!- ehird` has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 19:52:11 SimonRC is going for a job at google? 20:03:33 yes 20:04:21 what position? 20:04:33 missionary 20:04:49 boring 20:12:51 it's not that much about the position, unless you're filming it 20:16:11 tell us all about it 20:16:49 about... what? 20:17:19 sex? missionary? filming it? 20:17:43 sex? where did that come from? 20:17:52 :D 20:18:02 some people... 20:18:03 i read between the lines 20:19:06 i assumed bsmntbombdood stated missionary is boring 20:19:14 so i told him my opinion 20:20:05 What position is SimonRC going for? 20:20:30 (See, you can't expect an answer if you don't mention his name. :-P) 20:40:18 SimonRC what Simonrc position.. 20:45:07 -!- RedDak has joined. 20:50:14 test__: hm 20:50:33 Simonrc Simonrc Simonrc Simonrc Simonrc Simonrc Simonrc. 20:50:33 :P 20:50:45 Simon simon rc rc 20:51:03 Actaully irssi only detects the username at the beginning of the line 20:51:14 unless i fiddle something 21:03:57 bye 21:07:01 /hilight -regex 21:07:15 Somehow, there's something not all that. . . Satisfying about my hackish implementation of PEBBLE. 21:11:24 which one is pebble? 21:11:58 The esoteric language which compiles to Brainfuck and C. 21:12:33 reimplement it in scheme 21:17:10 bsmntbombdood has turned into a broken record, hasn't he? 21:17:25 Sukoshi`: do that in scheme 21:17:29 More like Paul Graham - persuasive capability. 21:18:19 scheme was great for my start up 21:26:25 * pikhq has no idea *how* to reimplement PEBBLE sanely. . . :( 21:27:55 whenever i read something, become convinced, and then try to repeat the argument to someone else, it never works 21:28:20 * pikhq doesn't even know if his attempt at an EBNF is remotely correct 21:28:27 I wonder how efficient Scheme is ... if everything is a linked list :( 21:28:40 Well, Scheme has vectors, but no-one seems to use them. 21:28:47 i do 21:29:19 scheme was designed for teaching, not for efficient programming :) 21:29:41 -!- test__ has quit ("Leaving"). 21:29:43 But Scheme seems to be having more practical progress than CL. 21:29:44 wrong 21:29:52 bsmntbombdood: No, you're wrong. 21:29:57 -!- blahbot` has quit (Remote closed the connection). 21:30:11 http://pikhq.nonlogic.org/BNF Could anyone here who knows anything about PEBBLE and EBNF tell me if this is even *close* to correct? 21:30:23 More innovative, practical applications from a whole bunch of domains are being written in Scheme, no matter that it was academic to begin with. 21:30:42 pikhq: Why dispute with the authority of his own language? ;) 21:30:59 "Scheme started as an attempt to understand Carl Hewitt's Actor model" 21:31:08 Sukoshi`: What I'm wondering is if my attempt at writing down the syntax actually *describes* the syntax in use. 21:31:24 pikhq: Oh, well, I don't know either much so :P 21:31:49 While I expounded this in the blog post, in summary, it seems that the hugeness of CL seems to have paralyzed the language as it tries to cope with new changes. 21:32:02 And the community's unwillingness to make changes to the Hyperspec. 21:32:30 In theory, that notation would accept something like this as valid: command this_is_a_word "This is also a word" {and so is this};new_command 21:32:58 CL is so ugly compared to scheme 21:33:08 Ugh. Broken record bsmntbombdood. 21:33:23 You sound like an overzealous Christian missionary. 21:33:40 Maybe I should just try and do something that's seperate from the Tcl syntax. . . XD 21:34:30 or use sexps! 21:34:38 can we stop talking about the missionary 21:34:44 there're plenty of other great positions 21:37:04 cowboy! 21:43:47 -!- jix has quit (Nick collision from services.). 21:44:01 -!- jix has joined. 21:49:16 -!- oerjan has joined. 22:23:47 -!- jix has quit ("CommandQ"). 22:51:51 How does one load TinyCLOS in Chicken? 22:56:01 * pikhq is in one of the very, very few areas in the US that has actual competition with phone service, broadband, and cable. . . :) 22:57:10 * Sukoshi` is also. 22:57:39 * bsmntbombdood is, sadly, not 22:57:49 my internet connection is terribly terrible 22:58:28 i win 22:58:33 i'm not even IN the US :) 22:58:40 64 bytes from py-in-f99.google.com (64.233.167.99): icmp_seq=1 ttl=245 time=610 ms 23:00:46 64 bytes from yo-in-f99.google.com (64.233.169.99): icmp_seq=1 ttl=240 time=74.5 ms 23:00:58 That was great. 23:01:01 :( 23:01:10 I exec'd ping, and it started filling up the buffer :P 23:02:10 64 bytes from qb-in-f99.google.com (72.14.205.99): icmp_seq=1 ttl=241 time=98.5 ms 23:02:17 Since your all pinging monopolies, I thought I would too~ 23:02:21 Comcast offers our cable service and broadband for 128.40. . . Falcon Broadband offers better service for $85. . . 23:02:43 O.o that's a lot of moneys 23:02:48 -!- sebbu has quit (Connection timed out). 23:02:59 bsmntbombdood: Parents like their HDTV and such. 23:03:11 We got one of the first internet providers in the area, when they were desperate for providers, and we got DSL for $15/mo. 23:03:31 The bace price here is $20/mo. though. 23:03:51 pikhq: TV is for l4m3r5 :| 23:04:01 The internet's $24.95/mo ($27.95/mo if you want FTTH). 23:04:28 (unfortunately, they're both at the same speed. However, FTTH has that as the starting speed, rathet than the only speed.) 23:04:29 Wow. You call that competition? :P 23:04:41 Sukoshi`: Compared to $49.95, yeah. 23:04:47 Let's see who can rob you blind more! 23:05:12 Sukoshi`: What speed do you get on that DSL link? 23:05:31 pikhq: 1 MBit down. 23:05:49 Our up sucks though. 23:06:01 6 MBit down here. . . And, should we be merely willing to pay for it, we can get (last I checked) up to 100 Mbit down. . . 23:06:26 google should use this logo on jpeg's birthday: http://image.bayimg.com/gaeedaabh.jpg 23:06:28 We could go higher ... but we didn't want to. 23:06:38 pikhq: O.o 23:06:49 My parents like a big house more than a big HDTV or a big internet pipe. 23:06:58 And I'm not a gamer, so I could care less anyways. 23:07:07 We've got a fairly large house, and HDTV, and a decent internet pipe. . . 23:07:15 We've got a rich house :P 23:07:36 On a hill, in a gated community, and all the fancy stuffs that come with it. 23:07:44 gar, gated communitys 23:07:47 Country clubs included, dinners, yada yada yada. 23:08:24 Sukoshi`: I'm sorry, but that would literally make me go insane. 23:08:31 so yuppie 23:08:34 I mean, "go berserk and stab someone". 23:08:48 I don't frankly care about most of it *shrug*. 23:08:51 like american psycho! 23:09:03 But I prefer a country club to HDTV. 23:09:12 I have no need to watch Fear Factor in HD, I'm sorry. 23:09:18 I don't give a flying fuck. 23:09:28 i'd rather have a fat pipe than a tv 23:09:31 I just want a 100Mbps internet link, and we'll call that my TV set. 23:09:39 a fat pipe full of moroccan hash 23:09:49 and a nice porno in HD 23:09:49 I wouldn't mind a fatter pipe, but I don't really need one. 23:10:12 Since I have another 100 MBit machine doing all my torrenting for me elsewhere (loaned by a friend), I just download to this box at leisure ... 23:10:12 I don't really *need* Internet access. I can live without it. :p 23:10:46 Sukoshi`: that won't get you things any faster... 23:11:05 bsmntbombdood: Yeah, but I can let that torrent away all day and it won't chew up anything I'm doing. 23:11:09 I torrent a lot, so. 23:11:37 likes her prawns 23:12:42 I program, I do EE work, I study Japanese, I practice Kanji charts, I watch anime. I very rarely need the fat pipes anyhow. 23:13:08 I do homework too, of course. And study for exams. 23:13:30 I leave the fat pipes to the realm of the boasters and the gamers, personally. 23:13:40 I program, I browse the Internet, I read. 23:13:55 And I fit that in around homework during the school year. 23:14:19 And I watch maybe an hour of TV a month. 23:14:22 Well, reading I do too. Browsing only occasionally, because it soaks up lots of time usable for more fun things. 23:15:03 Grrr. This week's Nanoha LQ is a day late. 23:15:04 i ride a bike, smoke pot with friends and play drums on the beach. 23:15:42 *envy* 23:15:53 Cazador 17 for the win. 23:21:26 what's that? 23:21:27 i've never tried pot :< 23:28:49 i've also never played drums on the beach, but beaches are overrated anyway 23:29:09 but i do like to ride my bike 23:29:56 oklofok: especially in our northern parts 23:30:18 yeah, i suppose finnish beaches aren't much fun most of the year 23:30:36 nor Vancouver beaches, of course, but the ocean gets swimmable for a few weeks in the summer 23:30:52 oerjan: i like those 23:32:06 cold and cruel, as water ought to be 23:32:23 lament: oerjan is nowegian, biiig difference ;) 23:32:29 *norwegian 23:32:51 actually Trondheim is a bit north of both Helsinki and Turku, which are almost on line with Oslo 23:32:54 i guess you could just approximate we both live in ikealand 23:33:34 oerjan: told that to me or lament? 23:33:47 to anyone who cares to listen 23:33:49 :P 23:33:58 i knew that already 23:34:04 though didn't know you lived there 23:34:11 (don't know that now either really) 23:34:18 confusing finland and sweden would be rather odd 23:34:35 true, but it happens 23:34:47 plenty of ikea in norway too 23:35:14 the stereotypic foreigner says: "Norway? Isn't that the capital of Sweden?" 23:35:48 i thought norway was the evil agressor from whom sweden is finally independent 23:36:16 when i was in germany, most ppl thought finnish and swedish are almost the same language. 23:36:32 lament: hm, i think we _can_ get pretty agressive if you make such statements :D 23:37:30 this one guy listened to finntroll, a finnish band that sings in swedish... he said he likes how finnish sounds, so i told him that's swedish, not finnish... he said he can't hear the difference 23:37:58 i guess that's understandable, but if you know both those languages, that's quite funny :P 23:38:50 they do sort of sound similar, i think :) 23:39:06 well, they shouldn't :P 23:39:13 the pronunciation is in no way similar 23:39:25 and vocabulary is pretty much completely different 23:40:06 -!- RedDak has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 23:40:56 well, don't they have a similar vowel inventory? 23:41:08 not really 23:41:16 there are the front rounded vowels, of course 23:41:25 similar maybe 23:41:25 yeah, i mainly meant those 23:41:34 oklofok: that's what i said :) 23:41:42 haha, yes, sorry :P 23:41:47 which are also in the other scandinavian languages, german, hungarian... 23:41:48 i'm not sure what i meant. 23:42:32 -!- c|p has joined. 23:42:37 germanic + finno-ugric, basically 23:42:50 oerjan: right, which is why they all would sound rather similar to, say, an american :) 23:43:00 err 23:43:07 english has front rounded vowels 23:43:20 and turkish, which i _do_ think sounds a bit similar to hungarian 23:43:33 english is very different 23:43:40 english vowels tend to come in weird dipthongs 23:43:41 how? 23:43:48 oklofok: it does? 23:44:10 English is the one that went out and stole many languages' vocabulary. . . 23:44:11 ö - the, ä - that, y - hmm 23:44:12 oerjan: don't both turkish and hungarian have vowel harmony? 23:44:16 Makes sense. ;) 23:44:36 finnish has vowel harmony 23:44:43 ä isn't really rounded, or fronted 23:44:44 if i know what that is :P 23:44:49 oklofok: that doesn't look like any english i know... 23:45:19 yes, finnish has vowel harmony, which is why i'm guessing hungarian has it too 23:45:27 finnish "ö" is the "e" in "the", "ä" is the same as in "that" 23:45:31 and the sound in "the" is pretty much right in the middle, i think 23:45:35 oklofok: no 23:45:43 lament: yes 23:45:45 oklofok: your english pronunciation is terrible :) 23:45:55 i don't think so 23:46:03 (i seem to remember for charts) 23:46:03 native people have thought i'm native 23:46:06 *from 23:46:14 (okay, one.) 23:46:23 Get a microphone and record it. 23:46:36 the e in the is a shwa (unless it's just an e) 23:47:16 i think english has many _middle_ vowels, which sound fronted to a scandinavian 23:47:54 All non-native English speakers are being requested to record yourselves speaking English. 23:47:59 * pikhq needs to see how bad it is. :p 23:48:20 * oerjan is lucky not to have a microphone. 23:48:48 hmm 23:48:50 :P 23:49:10 * pikhq hands oerjan a microphone :p 23:49:43 all i know, is that when i was visiting Australia, someone said we norwegians sounded so american it wasn't even funny 23:50:07 * pikhq still doesn't believe you 23:50:08 (those in our group) 23:50:28 hmm 23:50:35 i sound pretty terrible in any language 23:50:43 but i guess i can give you a short example :P 23:50:46 including finnish, i take 23:51:02 according to wikipedia, out of finnihs y/umlauted a/umlauted o, english only has the umlauted a 23:52:09 well, okay, in some words the finnish "ö" doesn't sound like the one in "the" 23:52:21 when i speak fast it gets more "front" 23:52:26 in finnish i mean 23:52:38 (i assume i pronounce *that* correctly) 23:52:42 right, because the english one is not frontal at all 23:52:50 yes 23:52:54 english vowels tend to be lazy 23:52:58 frontal isn't lazy :) 23:53:17 i mean, i agree, "yes" could mean anything 23:54:36 -!- trepliev has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 23:54:57 pikhq: i recorded something, i can give it to you if you promise not just to listen yourself :P 23:55:04 *-not 23:55:24 oklofok: Um, huh? 23:55:34 (pikhq) All non-native English speakers are being requested to record yourselves speaking English. 23:55:41 Oh. 23:55:43 XD 23:55:57 * oklofok does what he's told :\ 23:57:05 pikhq: do you really want it? 23:57:08 while you're at it, record yourself speaking Russian, too. 23:57:22 wish i could 23:57:24 Nyet! 23:57:33 oklofok: Mostly just kidding, but sure. 23:58:19 * oerjan thinks he is pretty good on the palatalized consonants, since his dialect has such. 23:58:51 -!- trepliev has joined.