00:00:24 (Should I call it Encyclopedia to annoy people like calling it Wiki annoys me? :-P) 00:07:30 -!- ehird` has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 00:26:32 -!- oerjan has quit ("leaving"). 02:10:07 -!- puzzlet has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 02:11:10 -!- puzzlet has joined. 03:45:30 i have never seen anyone refer to the wikipedia as "wiki" 03:47:17 I've referred to it as *a* wiki, though. . . 03:47:28 (which, of course, it is) 03:47:48 foo 03:49:16 Whenever somebody generically calls it "wiki" I stab them. 03:49:20 Two problems solved. 03:52:56 stab-over-ip 03:55:40 Bah. Violence over IP. 03:55:45 We'll call it VoIP. 04:06:57 -!- Figs has joined. 04:07:07 `ello 04:10:03 holy crap, have you guys seen this? 04:10:03 http://www.luckywhitegirl.com/2005/11/medium_rare_ele.html 04:10:06 * bsmntbombdood eats a fig 04:10:27 seriously, keeping the computer in the over *tsk tsk* 04:12:57 waaait 04:13:00 2005 04:13:01 ... 04:13:01 OLD 04:13:05 rofl 04:16:06 *ding fries are done...* 04:17:20 ... 04:18:35 Remarkably stupid. 04:18:39 Poor computer. 04:18:50 http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/01/09/strip_out_the_fans/ 04:18:54 umm 04:18:56 yeah... 04:19:01 * pikhq would never trust her with anything more complex than an abacus ever again 04:20:29 "Can't find tomshardware.com" 04:20:35 Hmm. That was odd. 04:20:54 try again 04:20:56 works for me 04:21:26 yes, let's stick our PC into 8 gallons of cooking oil! 04:22:55 That's not exactly a new cooling system. . . 04:23:08 it still looks like wtf 04:23:09 I believe some of the Crays were cooled in oil. 04:23:23 (highly filtered motor oil, but still) 04:23:30 :P 04:23:51 it just seems counter intuitive to me to dip your expensive hardware in cooking oil 04:23:59 -!- GregorR-L has joined. 04:24:01 it makes sense on one level but on the other, "WTF" 04:24:04 :P 04:24:07 hi GregorR-L 04:24:25 I don't think the *vegetable* oil would be a good idea; it could easily go rancid, after all. 04:24:36 That reminds me of that deep fat fryer that doubled as a fish tank 04:24:49 Honestly. . . Do you *want* a rancid computer? :p 04:24:58 Might keep theives from taking it 04:25:04 "Eww, this computer is gross" 04:25:13 "Let's take the TV instead, Ned" 04:25:19 "k..." 04:25:28 "You mean the one that's inside that fish tank?" 04:25:50 (Would you like an apple pie with that? *ding fries are done*) 04:26:36 do you think this would void your warrenty if something broke? 04:26:56 BTW, Toms Hardware's website sucks balls. 04:27:01 "Yes sir, I dipped my PC in cooking oil and your graphics card stopped working." 04:27:18 That's a cruel thing to say about balls. 04:27:44 You're right; balls are too good for Toms Hardware. 04:28:13 now we need to find a computer that runs better hot 04:28:22 so it can double as a deep-fat fryer 04:29:00 not only can you play your video games, but you can make french fries at the same time! 04:29:02 :S 04:29:11 just keep the fish tank under it :P 04:29:23 mmm, that'd be weird 04:29:33 fish tank oil/water computer 04:30:40 great way to freak out your roomies ;p 04:30:54 "WTF IS THAT THING?!" 04:30:58 "It's my computer/fish tank" 04:36:44 Obviously. Tom's Hardware is for gamers. 04:36:53 Them and their ``rigs''. 04:36:57 Sukoshi`: It's for people that like an article on 11 pages. 04:37:14 My preferred 'rig' involves more computing power than I could ever possibly need. . . 04:37:23 And keeping it until I actually *do* need more. 04:37:46 i hate that split-the-article-up-into-paragraphs-on-seppereate-pages shit 04:37:49 That's not the Gamer Way though. 04:37:58 True. 04:38:03 It's the sane way. 04:38:38 (the sane way also ends up using a 3-5 year old computer, and thinking "What, you guys are having lower performance on better boxes?") 04:38:44 Mmm. . . Gentoo. . . 04:39:11 :P 04:39:36 Too easy to poke fun at Vista. 04:39:52 ugh. @_@ 04:40:06 reading about quantum computers make my head hurt :P 04:40:17 http://www.ams.org/featurecolumn/archive/quantum-one.html 04:41:25 I need to do more math :P 04:41:39 two months and I've already forgotten so much 04:41:48 damn ye, summer! 04:44:29 I never understood the gamer philosophy at all. 04:44:36 But then *shrug* most programmers probably don't. 04:44:57 "Gamer Philosophy"? 04:45:16 i never played video games 04:45:30 I usually don't 04:45:36 but I've been playing a lot lately 04:45:43 all free ones 04:45:59 Cave Story, La-Mulana, A Game with a Kitty, etc 04:46:11 Within a Deep Forest, Knytt... 04:46:45 My idea of good games involves an emulator. . . 04:46:59 :) 04:47:20 Seiken Densetsu 3 Secret of Mana! 04:47:35 CronoTrigger? :P 04:48:10 *starts humming Frog's Theme* 04:49:30 http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070806/od_uk_nm/oukoe_uk_germany_pencil 04:49:32 WTF! 04:49:45 seriously, what the bloody fuck?! 04:50:05 51 years with... geez 04:50:19 55* 04:50:26 how did I get 51? :S 04:50:28 bloody fucking, that's kinky 04:50:45 ... 04:53:40 I have a really crazy idea 04:53:43 using C++ 04:53:47 it sucks 04:53:47 I play video games. 04:53:52 for a game engine 04:54:09 But mostly when my creative faculties don't work. 04:54:19 It'd need my parser library... and I'd have to write two more libraries at least 04:54:56 a file handler lib using the parser library, and a "database" lib using the other two 04:55:21 Erm, so what's the game idea? 04:55:30 *points out the word _engine_* 04:55:54 Yacc, STL, and a SQL. 04:56:02 ... How is that any different from the hundreds of other C++ game engines out there? :P 04:56:39 pikhq, more like Yacc, XML/DTD++, SQL inline 04:57:06 the trick isn't so much that it'd be a game engine, in fact, it wouldn't be 04:57:07 but 04:57:09 I fail to see how XML handles *files*. 04:57:27 that's where the ++ comes in 04:57:33 So, it's a game engine that's not a game engine? 04:57:36 using a meta-language to describe the contents of files 04:57:58 Exactly. 04:58:15 Yet another Descriptive Idea from Figs. 04:58:24 * Figs bows 04:58:24 Hm. Is there any portal on the web where people propose OSS projects? 04:58:33 no idea 04:58:37 sourceforger? 04:58:39 probably :P 04:58:48 People propose stuff on SF? 04:59:04 Sukoshi` -- build one on google 04:59:11 you have everything you need to do it 04:59:30 I should. 04:59:31 Google.Code, Google.Groups, Google.Mail, Goole.Page(? can't remember the real name... is that it?) 04:59:38 I've never done web programming, but I should. 04:59:55 In fact, it would be a very convenient starting project. 05:00:03 Any takers? I'll probably be writing it in Python. 05:00:14 nooo not python 05:00:15 scheme 05:00:24 I'd be interested if I didn't have a couple dozen projects already 05:00:28 and if I knew python :P 05:00:44 I have yet to learn Python meself, but I hear that the core is very minimal. 05:00:52 seriously though, I like this idea because it's a way to kill two birds with one stone 05:00:56 Minimal enough that one can learn the language as one codes. 05:01:04 it gives me a good reason to finish my insane parser library 05:01:11 Any other takers? 05:01:19 scheme! 05:01:22 No, thanks. 05:01:28 But not because of the Python bit. . . 05:01:28 nope. 05:01:43 * pikhq went from "know nothing" to "able to do some hacking in it" in about 5 minutes 05:01:43 Because it's web programming? 05:01:51 you could be the first to figure out how to write a site in BrainFuck 05:01:53 Well, that's one thing. 05:02:02 or has it been done? 05:02:06 Dunno what's wrong with web programming. 05:02:07 It's obvious what to do. 05:02:21 So? 05:02:25 Just make a Brainfuck HTTPD which runs from inetd. 05:02:44 Do it, Do it, Do it, Do it, Do it...! 05:02:46 :P 05:02:49 * Figs chants 05:04:02 wow, I wonder what it'd look like to look at the server-side source for a BF webpage... 05:06:51 Sukoshi`: what kind of web programming though, simple cgi or using some advanced framework? 05:07:09 because the former is a gigantic pain in the butt, and the latter involves learning way more than just the "core" 05:07:42 advanced frameworks wins 05:07:47 cgi is nice and simple 05:07:54 errr, s/wins/loses/ 05:08:11 I wanna stick to simple CGI, unless you want to use a framework. 05:08:19 Because frameworks, IMO, are more annoying. 05:08:55 well, be prepared then, cgi is pretty awful 05:09:06 Yeah, I know. 05:09:18 But learning a framework is learning something that's simple-paradigm. 05:10:02 I mean, this project isn't *that* complicated. We'll just be managing project proposals, proposal creators, proposal accepters, and maybe stuff like dates and categories. 05:10:17 Most of it will bepend on a DB and basic HTML generation. 05:10:19 python is a very pleasant language though 05:31:57 It's like the spa retreat of programming. 05:32:03 http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Rule+36 05:32:12 ... 05:32:16 perfect! 05:33:06 btw 05:33:10 wtf is "flrrd"? 05:36:13 O_o 05:36:15 right 05:36:34 go replace every instance of the word "Fuck" in a forum post with "QUACK" 05:36:39 it makes for unusual reading 05:36:47 Go QUACK yourself. 05:36:52 for example 05:37:00 (BrainQUACK anyone? :S) 05:38:07 replacing words with other words commonly reads to unusual readings. 05:38:41 I read an entire story where the F word had been censored to say "Gently caress" 05:38:52 it took me a while to realize it wasn't just the author being quirky 05:39:04 (forum censoring software... joy :P) 05:39:08 how do you say motherfucker then? 05:39:16 mothergently caresser? 05:39:25 mothergently caress? 05:47:36 -!- GregorR-L has quit ("Leaving"). 05:49:38 Figs: reminds me of the SomethingAwful forums 05:50:19 "Holy loving poo-poo. Gently caress me." -> "Holy fucking shit- fuck me." 05:50:49 I think it was the SomethingAwful forums, but I don't know 05:50:57 Might have been elsewhere 05:50:57 lament: different forms of "fuck" generally map to different words 05:51:15 I've spent a fair amount of time slowly learning to decode their replacements 05:51:31 it was the Streetsweeper's Tale 05:51:52 don't ask me how many times I've fucked that one up and said SweetStreeper's Tale 05:52:09 I can't begin to guess. 05:52:19 Figs: yeah, that was from SA 05:52:46 ah 05:52:49 I'm not a forum member, but I like reading threads there when I'm bored 05:52:50 I don't usually go there 05:52:53 so I don't remember 05:52:53 RodgerTheGreat: but "fuck" itself could be a noun or a verb 05:53:01 or an interjection 05:53:08 lament: it's not perfect 05:53:15 Gently Caress, batman! 05:53:19 What is that! 05:53:21 :P 05:53:29 did they have a replacement for shit? 05:53:32 the places the replacement doesn't fit in well are how you can start to crack the code 05:53:34 I can't remember 05:53:38 poo-poo apparently. 05:53:42 oh 05:53:44 :P 05:53:46 Figs: I'm not sure if poo-poo is crap or shit 05:53:52 almost impossible to tell 05:54:02 sockpuppet a guide? 05:54:24 C-rap = crap, F-uck = fuck, S-hit = shit ... etc 05:54:47 if you want to spend $10 on a sockpuppet, be my guest 05:54:51 my way is more fun 05:54:54 :P 05:55:58 lament: Are you up to it? 05:56:21 I hope Python is nice. I've Rubied, and it just feels like ... wannabe Smalltalk. 05:56:28 oh 05:56:36 then you might not enjoy python as much :) 05:56:42 Hm? How come? 05:56:53 it's a lot less of a wannabe smalltalk, but it's not very different from ruby 05:56:57 it doesn't have blocks, though. 05:57:08 I could whip up a PHP-based BF interpreter for BF CGI. I think that'd be easier than python. 05:57:21 instead all functions are first-class and you can pass them freely; there's no extra sugar 05:57:22 Well, Ruby uses a lot of Smalltalk-ish features, especially blocks, that irk me in their obvious lack of power. 05:57:47 also, python has list comprehensions <3 05:58:21 I previewed Perl over vacation, and it seemed quite nice, albeit the OOP seemed downright cryptic, and its overreliance on $, %, and @ is bleh. 05:58:46 I totally grok the concept of using references in data structures too, because it's a C thing. 05:59:47 The one major irk I had with my Python previewing was the forced indentation ... I've encountered enough Haskell situations where I fume because the indentation has caused me trouble where I've come to prefer brace syntax. 06:01:18 Hopefully Emacs's python-mode is more mature than haskell-mode :P 06:02:27 One last question as I continue my SAT studying: Is there a reason people constantly use SQL instead of writing, say, a database in Python, or C/++/Java if Python is too slow? 06:02:55 *cough* 06:03:00 SQL is very efficient, actually, and it scales 06:03:08 I was just talking about writing a database in C++ 06:03:10 :P 06:03:11 scalability is a high motivator here 06:03:49 Don't expect mine to scale *too much*... it's not a goat, fish, or scientist. 06:06:19 blocks are just lambda aren't they? 06:06:48 Sukoshi`: explicit references are probably the biggest turn-off from perl for me 06:07:01 Sukoshi`: emacs handles python's indentation just fine, because it's a lot simpler than haskell's 06:07:02 Sukoshi`: python's indentation is somehow saner than haskell's 06:07:23 Sukoshi`: there's no that "beginning of next lexeme" junk, you just continue on the next line and tabulate 06:07:38 if blah: 06:07:40 stuff() 06:08:03 i suppose you could do that in haskell, too, but somehow everybody doesn't. 06:08:47 Heh. True. 06:08:55 hmm... I wonder 06:09:09 Well, explicit references are pretty useful for efficiency, methinks. 06:09:16 Sukoshi`: i don't see how 06:09:21 Although I would prefer an explicit value language rather. 06:09:22 how would a language without an "if" keyword be? 06:09:26 like, you use ? instead 06:09:29 Sukoshi`: either you access the reference, in which case you have to access it anyway. 06:09:37 Sukoshi`: or you don't access it, in which case you don't access it. 06:09:39 foo? {bar} else {blah} 06:09:42 but like 06:09:43 doesn't matter if it's explicit or not 06:09:45 foo? 06:09:48 bar. 06:09:48 else 06:09:50 blah. 06:10:03 *put in spaces where appropriate 06:10:12 Well, if you have loops where you access something hundreds or thousands of times, you may want to have the value is a variable waiting, rather than in a reference. 06:10:31 s/is/as/ 06:11:05 That's why I'd prefer explicit value, that way in the cases where efficiency is needed, the value is explicitly stored, elsewise the reference is stored and looked up. 06:13:31 that'd be interesting, but somehow, I think I've gotten myself too engrained with the C++ way of think that I'd fuck it up :P 06:13:50 or at least _gently caress_ it up :P 06:13:52 stay flexible 06:14:10 'night, guys 06:14:10 * Figs starts doing pinky push-ups... 06:14:21 Sukoshi`: ah, but that's only possible for a limited set of primitive types for which you can have something OTHER than a reference. 06:14:25 -!- RodgerTheGreat has quit. 06:14:32 Sukoshi`: and python already does that for them. 06:15:28 Sukoshi`: and a difference of one C-level pointer resolution is really not something you should worry about in a very high-level garbage-collected language. 06:18:01 That I agree with. 06:18:57 and the gain in elegance is enormous 06:19:10 instead of all those sigils, you just have one type of object 06:19:26 (like smalltalk and ruby) 06:19:58 sigil? 06:20:14 oh, nevermind 06:21:39 twigils O.o 06:22:24 hmm 06:22:39 oh 06:22:44 hmm 06:22:52 something about macros just clicked in my head 06:23:27 I just realized how neat it'd be if I could write something to make 06:24:02 stringify { foo " is a " blahtype } 06:24:04 work 06:24:09 -!- mvanier has joined. 06:24:17 instead of having to do 06:24:22 -!- mvanier has left (?). 06:24:32 foo << " is a " << blahtype 06:26:26 huh 06:26:38 Sigil (Computer Programming) from wikipedia claims 06:26:40 "In Fortran, all variables starting with the letters I, J, K, L, M and N are integers although Fortran refers to this as "implicit typing". (This is the source of the long tradition of using "i", "j", "k" etc as the loop indexes of "for loops" in many programming languages�few of which have implicit typing)." 06:26:41 is that true? 06:27:54 could be 06:28:51 -!- GreaseMonkey has joined. 06:29:32 O_o 06:29:33 http://image.bayimg.com/cafmnaabf.jpg 06:40:40 wow, I just realized how bad I am at shading 06:40:42 I SUCK. 06:40:43 period. 06:40:46 :'( 07:10:57 Well, I always thought the programming `i' originates from math's summation notation? 07:12:40 That would be *why* Fortran had i through n as integers. 07:13:04 ;D 07:38:17 wow 07:38:19 I just like 07:38:23 totally wasted the evening again! 07:38:25 fuck >.< 07:39:47 very very very off topic, but wtf: http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/08/06/worst-excuse-ever/ 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 09:32:31 -!- Feuermonster has joined. 10:12:02 !++++++++++[>++++++<-]>+++++. 10:22:21 ?+++--- 10:22:41 ... 10:23:34 +--[+..+]--+ brainhug 10:34:43 !bf +--[+..+]--+ 10:35:31 Exists a source of a bf compiler? 10:35:49 sources are exist many 10:36:04 though interpreters most are 10:38:02 -!- Figs has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 10:38:40 but one yourself can you make, easy is it like a pie 10:41:12 -!- ololobot has joined. 10:45:22 I thought, I could translate it to C++ and compile it (extern) with a very small C++ Compiler. 10:45:37 But til now, i did not find a small c++ compiler. 10:46:48 the small ones are the best 10:47:05 In the best way, it should be one .exe. 10:47:38 (And can be started with command lines.) 10:47:42 Like gcc foo.c 10:48:40 But gcc is not very comfortable for my use. 10:57:49 -!- GreaseMonkey has quit ("oyasume nasai"). 11:15:42 -!- jix_ has joined. 11:18:03 -!- wellons has quit (Remote closed the connection). 14:28:41 -!- ehird` has joined. 14:28:52 -!- RodgerTheGreat has joined. 14:29:12 howdy, everyone 14:30:18 howdy, RodgerTheGreat 14:30:29 hello, ehird` 14:31:00 hello, RodgerTheGreat 14:31:08 ... 14:56:12 hi 14:56:38 hey, SimonRC 15:16:01 hey, RodgerTheGreat 15:16:29 ehird`: have you had a CAT scan recently? 15:16:43 i have had a `cat /dev/urandom` scan recently 15:24:56 The hard part to doing a cat scan is getting the cat to lie still on the scanner and not scratch the glass 15:26:31 SimonRC: this is why staple-guns were invented 15:27:16 that would damage the scanner 15:27:28 http://www.choosemyhat.com/ ... DO IT! IT'S COOOOL! 15:27:51 heh 15:28:32 I'm liking that gray fedora 15:29:49 The hard part to doing a cat scan is getting the cat to lie still on the scanner and not scratch the glass <-- i have an overwhelming urge to put this on bash 15:30:14 well, and the two following messages 15:31:21 the mods at bash suck. They've turned down all of the greatest quotes my friends and I have submitted 15:31:29 this is true 15:31:32 ummm 15:31:38 repeat that conversation with "gay nigga" in 15:31:40 that should do it 15:32:06 ehird`: have you had a CAT scan recently, gay nigga? 15:32:13 that isn't the quote 15:32:16 The hard part to doing a cat scan is getting the cat to lie still on the scanner and not scratch the glass 15:32:17 SimonRC: this is why staple-guns were invented 15:32:17 that would damage the scanner 15:32:20 that's it 15:32:32 ehird`: that sentence is how it *started* 15:32:37 okay fine 15:32:38 GregorR: How did Do not Put the Baby start? 15:32:50 this should be an interesting story 15:33:55 lmao- do not put the baby in the condom is priceless 15:33:55 * SimonRC imagines GregorR tuning up a Ukelele 15:34:11 "Richard, I told you to use that 10 months ago!" 15:34:13 we need a song 15:34:17 heh 15:34:23 that would be fantastic 15:35:06 Do not put the baby in the fantastic song 15:35:27 ehird`: make it, make it now 15:35:40 I did this one: http://www.donotputthebaby.com/index.php?s=Pixel 15:36:21 i wrote lyrics, give me much moneys http://nonlogic.org/dump/text/1186497006.html 15:37:02 actually i should just use the list of ones already on the site 15:37:30 hm 15:37:51 I think we could continue to polish it a bit 15:42:15 http://nonlogic.org/dump/text/1186497363.html okay! 15:42:15 :p 15:42:35 that should last about 6-7 minutes.. 15:42:35 that's somewhat better 15:43:11 now, see if you can't rephrase it into something resembling regular meter or rhyme. 15:43:30 i could end every sentence with "voodoo" 15:43:38 hm 15:43:48 Do not put the baby in the algebraic expression voodoo 15:43:54 Do not put the baby in the invisible box voodoo 15:44:02 Do not put the baby in the toilet voodoo 15:44:30 if I were writing this, I'd make some kind of introductory segment that roughly explains what the song is about 15:46:46 http://nonlogic.org/dump/text/1186497634.html done! :p 15:47:13 hm 15:47:51 GregorR: I think ehird` could benefit from some lyrical advice 15:47:59 or a lobotomy 15:48:39