00:00:22 the same word, or very similar sounding ones have completely different meanings depending on the pitch 00:00:34 oklokok: i'm a native speaker 00:00:40 naringas: tones, not pitches 00:00:50 writing 00:00:59 is that harder than say, english, that does *not* have those distinct tones, but still has 5 meanings for every word`? 00:01:01 *-` 00:01:11 oklokok: no, it's just unusual for a foreigner 00:01:32 makes it harder to learn for a foreginer, to listen 00:01:34 i don't believe pronunciation can be hard 00:01:48 -!- Jenks has quit. 00:01:49 -!- Zephyroth has quit ("Leaving"). 00:01:52 hmm, ishakul or whatever 00:01:56 is a 2-d written languge 00:01:57 ithkuil 00:02:00 no 00:02:00 what about 3d languages? 00:02:03 -!- Ilya has quit ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.6/2007072518]"). 00:02:04 that could be interesting 00:02:05 ilaksh is a 2d lang 00:02:09 ok 00:02:11 ithkuil is 1d methinks 00:02:19 ilaksh then 00:02:22 what about 3d languages? 00:02:24 but not sure... ilaksh is definately 2d anyway 00:02:24 that could be interesting 00:02:37 lament: you live in america though? 00:02:42 each side could represent a different variation on a word 00:02:55 this would make phrases very short, if a little complex in visual form 00:03:35 oklokok: canada 00:03:49 i recall you talking about russian sometime, don't remember the context right now though 00:03:55 -!- FunnyMan3595 has joined. 00:03:58 i should check the logs 00:04:16 ok, i had to search for it but there is this language in the amazonian jungle, the one with virtually no numbers 00:04:37 that one has to be harder than russian, very very few non-native speakers have ever learned it 00:04:52 piraha? 00:05:08 i would imagine it's really simple if it doesn't even have numbers 00:05:09 yeah that one 00:05:14 but hard to learn 00:05:23 How's about Toki Pona? 00:05:25 -!- c4st has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 00:05:25 if you said it was *easier* to learn than most languages, i might even agree 00:05:31 but harder? lol 00:05:33 ...yeah :) 00:05:48 woo, another dinner cooked without disaster or serious injury 00:05:54 -!- fruktq has joined. 00:05:58 pikhq: one of the goals of toki pona is being easy to learn... i would be surprised if it were heard to learn :) 00:06:01 *hard 00:06:20 thing is, it is not exactly simpler, it is very different 00:06:25 -!- Dybber has left (?). 00:06:32 thus, the unfamiliarity of it makes it harder to learn 00:07:09 lament: wanna teach me to pronounce russian and prove me wrong in saying it can be done? 00:07:17 toki pona is easy to learn 00:07:22 i haven't tried, but i have looked at it 00:07:24 and it looks trivial 00:07:40 my sentence was a bit obscure, gotta admit. 00:08:23 i'm one of the few fluent toki pona speakers, by the way :) 00:08:38 write something 00:08:43 naringas: very many languages are very different from the ones you know. 00:09:02 -!- zapbeeb has joined. 00:09:04 lament: this one is even more different that the ones you know 00:09:07 (i'm not saying please so in fear of getting banned) 00:09:22 *-so 00:09:23 ... 00:09:28 lament: Prove it? 00:09:33 lament: you are fluent in toki pona? 00:09:37 lament: cool 00:09:38 lament: write "roses are red" in toki pona 00:09:40 lament: how long did that take 00:10:23 oklokok: kasi li loje 00:10:30 li = be? 00:10:34 oh, and besides Pirahу is also tonal 00:10:50 !bf8 ## 00:10:54 0:*0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0| 00:10:55 is that kasi=roses, li=be, loje=red? 00:10:56 http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007/04/16/070416fa_fact_colapinto/?printable=true very long 00:11:18 i gotta check out toki pona too, i guess... 00:11:21 -!- zapbeeb has quit (Client Quit). 00:11:26 lament: say "roses are #FF0000, violets are #0000FF, all my base, are belong to you" 00:11:30 non-words and broken grammar in one! 00:11:33 although it is lame 00:11:42 lament: i can has toki pona tutorial? 00:11:49 http://bayimg.com/kafOhAAbo <--- look, it's meeee! 00:12:01 -!- chromakode has joined. 00:12:05 tokipona.org 00:12:33 bsmntbombdood: cool :P 00:12:35 "Toki Pona is a minimal language that focuses on the good things in life." 00:12:47 i might not actually be fluent anymore, i haven't spoken any in a year or so 00:13:00 lament: well can you translate that poem? :p 00:13:04 i was going to learn toki pona 00:13:07 added on my 2-page TODO list. 00:13:12 toki pona, that is 00:13:14 bsmntbombdood: it looks dark and cold! :p 00:13:35 ehird`: dark, yes, cold, no, it's 100 ish degrees 00:13:49 100 whats? 00:13:59 okay, then annoyingly stuffy 00:14:02 :p 00:14:08 also wet! do i get a prize 00:14:11 kasi loje li #FF0000. kasi laso li #0000FF. tomo mi ale li tomo sina. 00:14:11 kelvinish, celciusish or fahrenheitish? 00:14:19 what do you think? 00:14:20 celcius! 00:14:25 100 degrees celcius! 00:14:35 kelvin, i'd be dead, celciuous, i'd be dead 00:14:39 lament: did you also translate the grammar error? 00:14:41 lament: How long did you spend learning Toki Pona? 00:14:41 lament: hmm, what about the break between "all my base" and "are belon to you" 00:14:44 bsmntbombdood: you are dead-- 00:14:49 *belong 00:14:59 bsmntbombdood: you'd not be dead @ celcius 1000 00:15:01 *100 00:15:06 oklokok: yes you would 00:15:08 (you would be dead @ 1000) 00:15:11 really? 00:15:15 oklokok: dude... 00:15:22 okay, there's water. 00:15:27 that would kill ya 00:15:29 even 30 celcius is uncomfortable for me 00:15:31 also the walls 00:15:37 40, i'd run for shade 00:15:41 the air wouldn't, of course 00:15:45 50, i'd start hallucinating probably 00:15:48 100? i'd die 00:15:53 ehird`: have you tried sauna? 00:15:59 -!- leo__ has joined. 00:16:03 120 is trivial stuff 00:16:07 saunas don't get up to 100C 00:16:17 HandOfCode: noob saunas don't. 00:16:24 -_- 00:16:25 :P 00:16:35 oklokok: you'd like to be outside at the same temperature which water boils? 00:16:35 the human body will die if the core temp varies even 2C 00:16:50 you will die in temps exceeding 60C 00:16:55 wood ovens usually do 80-90 at max, but some do over 100 easily 00:16:58 the body can't get rid of the heat fast enough 00:17:11 an electric oven can almost always do 100 00:17:11 HandOfCode: over 2c? 00:17:16 i didn't know my insides were so cold 00:17:17 :p 00:17:23 the boddiers core temp is 36 00:17:25 you die at 28 00:17:27 38 00:17:32 haha 00:17:37 100. 00:17:38 ah 00:17:38 -!- naringas has left (?). 00:17:39 core 00:17:47 "varies even" 00:17:49 not "is" 00:18:09 you people really think a human can't handle 100 degrees celcius if it's just the air that's that hot? 00:18:10 you certainly will not die at 38 00:18:14 -!- leo__ has quit (Client Quit). 00:18:29 "Under many circumstances, temperatures approaching and exceeding 100 ТАC (212 ТАF) would be completely intolerable. Saunas overcome this problem by controlling the humidity." 00:18:30 lament: when you have a fever, are also your insides that hot? 00:18:35 "under many circumstances" 00:18:37 i don't know anything about anatomy 00:18:40 so i'd say 100c is dangerous in the air 00:19:00 the water makes you feel the hot 00:19:03 I'd say that being sufficiently hot to *boil* is dangerous. 00:19:11 if it's dry, 100 doesn't feel that much 00:19:20 pikhq: indeed 00:19:30 mmm boiled humans 00:19:33 Odd. I could've sworn 100C was sufficient to cause burns. 00:19:52 100F, on the other hand, is just a bit on the hot side. 00:19:55 lament: fixed poem please 00:19:58 ? :p 00:20:14 -!- irrelative has quit ("Leaving"). 00:20:16 100C will cause burns 00:20:21 -_- 00:20:26 ehird`: too lazy 00:20:27 100F is "fuck this is miserable" 00:20:33 pikhq: therefore, F is much safer than C :) 00:20:33 100C is "fuck i'm dead" 00:20:48 -!- fruktq has left (?). 00:20:49 100C isn't hot, you're just noobs 00:20:50 100K is "f-------" 00:20:52 i gotta go anyway 00:20:59 or maybe even just "f--" 00:21:02 have fun, but not too much fun -> 00:21:04 oklokok go breath in some of the air directly above boiling water 00:21:21 HandOfCode: as i said, that only applied if it's the air that's hot. 00:21:26 I will now state that if you take said action it is out of your own stupidity and I am not legaly liable 00:21:31 HandOfCode: there's no air above boiling water. There's just steam. 00:21:37 ... 00:21:39 LOL 00:21:40 also, i do cook my own food 00:21:42 proove that 00:21:42 i do that often 00:21:50 "no air".... 00:21:52 <_< 00:22:00 just steam would be water you retard 00:22:10 HandOfCode: no 00:22:11 no, steam is not water 00:22:12 steam is vaporized water which means it's mixed with air 00:22:21 ... 00:22:23 :DD 00:22:31 cretin -_- 00:22:32 HandOfCode: correct, steam is vaporized water, which means water is gas form 00:22:35 steam can't be just water? 00:22:37 *in gas form 00:22:43 HandOfCode: nothing to do with air 00:22:47 you can have steam in a vacuum 00:22:51 there is air above boiling water 00:22:58 IRP at #2 on reddit 00:23:04 woohoo! 00:23:31 hold your hand above 100C air for a few seconds 00:23:32 you will burn 00:23:35 I gaurentee it 00:23:43 haha 00:23:45 if it's really dry air, i don't think so 00:23:50 -_- 00:23:53 i've really been in a sauna in 120 degrees. 00:23:53 but i'm not sure 00:23:55 air can transfer heat plenty fast 00:23:59 120F 00:24:07 120 celcius 00:24:11 oklokok: yeah - but you're not just blasted 100c air 00:24:13 i don't know fahrenheit 00:24:15 you would boil 00:24:17 there are various controlling methods done 00:24:19 120F is ok in a sauna 00:24:24 ehird`: what exactly? 00:24:26 in open air, yeah right 00:24:26 your body can't transfer heat to a hotter area 00:24:33 heat moves to colder areas 00:24:34 oklokok: I doubt that you hit 120C. 00:24:35 AKA your body 00:24:41 120f is kinda cold for a sauna 00:24:49 pikhq: that's rare in a sauna, true, but those exist. 00:25:02 oklokok: 120c does sound very very hot, are you sure the air throughout the sauna was that temperature? Maybe the temperature was measured close to the heat source? 00:25:12 no 00:25:27 it's a standard competition heat 00:25:42 competition? 00:25:45 competition?> 00:25:46 _sauna_ competition? 00:25:47 is that like 00:25:50 who can stay in the longest? 00:25:54 Extreme sauna? 00:25:58 i haven't competed, but i used to do winter swimming 00:25:59 Skateboarding in a sauna? 00:26:12 wtf sauna competition? 00:26:17 i know ppl who've been in the world championchips 00:26:23 in sauna bathin 00:26:25 *bathing 00:26:27 hahahahahahaha 00:26:32 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sauna 00:26:33 :P 00:26:34 i see a future x-game 00:26:46 i don't remember if 120 is the heat, but it'd definately over 100 00:26:51 "Under many circumstances, temperatures approaching and exceeding 100 ТАC (212 ТАF) would be completely intolerable. Saunas overcome this problem by controlling the humidity." 00:26:55 which is exactly what i said 00:27:02 i don't understand that 00:27:10 "by controlling the humidity"? 00:27:21 water is thrown on the oven so you feel the heat 00:27:35 oklokok: saunas are very humid 00:27:36 err 00:27:38 i mean dry :) 00:27:40 if you didn't add humidity, it wouldn't feel that hot 00:27:47 no, that's the point 00:27:50 yes 00:27:57 if you threw enough water on the oven for the air to be at _normal_ humidity 00:28:00 you would probably die 00:28:10 or at least get massive burns 00:28:25 okay... why does the humidity drop when you heat the sauna? 00:28:44 i don't know enough physics i guess 00:28:50 oklokok: that's what "relative" in "relative humidity" means 00:28:57 ah, that stuff 00:29:33 anyway, a sauna is just heated up to 80-100, and water is constantly thrown on the oven to make it humid enough 00:29:39 humid enough to feel hot 00:29:42 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relative_humidity 00:29:52 the relative humidity keeps getting lower, but the dew point stays the same temperature 00:30:09 we'll just throw oklokok into a pool of thermite and be done with it 00:30:34 (from the "that's what i like about these electric ovens" department) 00:30:46 going in sauna and then in freezing cold water is always fun 00:31:29 lament: i don't exactly feel like learning that now :P 00:32:09 oklokok: what does Jos ei viina, terva tai sauna auta, tauti on kuolemaksi. mean? 00:32:24 wikipedia translates it as If booze, tar or the sauna won't help, the illness is fatal. 00:32:27 what's booze? 00:32:33 if liquor, tar or sauna won't help, the decease will kill you 00:32:45 booze = alcohol 00:32:57 tar = smoke? 00:33:00 viina is strong alcohol, to be spesific 00:33:12 tar = tar... 00:33:18 i don't get it 00:33:22 why tar? 00:33:26 not sure. 00:33:28 what does that refer to? 00:33:35 tar. 00:33:35 if you're drunk, don't go in a sauna because you'll die? 00:33:41 but not sure what you do with it 00:33:59 bsmntbombdood: no, if you're sick, try those, if they don't help, you're a goner 00:34:06 bsmntbombdood: well, obviously "if alcohol or a sauna doesn't help", oh dear 00:34:15 and 00:34:20 tar was used in traditional finnish medicine 00:34:24 oh i see 00:34:24 yeah 00:34:28 but don't know how 00:34:48 -!- s|k has joined. 00:35:01 wish i had a sauna here to prove this to myself 00:35:17 i'm starting to doubt my memory. 00:36:04 lol, fins are awesome 00:36:09 saunas are cool 00:36:15 bsmntbombdood: ? 00:36:15 if you sick you drink and go in a sauna 00:36:19 sure 00:36:21 what else 00:36:28 -!- ElbridgeGerry has joined. 00:36:42 that's the traditional finnish way to deal with everything 00:36:52 and eat tar. 00:36:55 doesn't exactly apply these days of course 00:37:07 traditions die 00:37:18 lament: not exactly :p 00:37:35 tar like the stuff roads are made out of? 00:37:40 or pine tar? 00:37:42 or what? 00:37:56 -!- r3m0t has joined. 00:38:20 aha: "Wood tar is microbicidial" 00:38:29 that's what they're talking about 00:39:41 i hate it when i'm just about to leave, and someone says something to me 00:39:52 and it takes me 10 min to realize i was supposed to go 00:40:09 * oklokok retries -> 00:40:38 oklokok: Hey. 00:40:55 lament: Please print "Hello, world!" 00:41:04 -!- GreaseMonkey has joined. 00:41:13 oklokok: by the way 00:41:16 -!- naringas has joined. 00:41:21 Eidolos: i don't have a printing press 00:41:21 oklokok: are you sure you got up to 150c? 00:41:22 giving birth in a sauna? 00:41:24 * ehird` is just kidding now 00:41:24 :p 00:41:34 Welcome to the place. There's things. 00:41:47 bsmntbombdood: that's not that common :P 00:41:53 but i hear ppl do that 00:42:03 crazy finns 00:42:23 Welcome to the Museum of Idiots. 00:43:18 says the guy who posted IRP on digg? 00:43:35 I'm here, aren't I? 00:44:12 i'm not sure if you're exactly museum quality 00:44:16 http://www.saunaheinola.com/ <<< this is in finnish, but it seems the temperature is 110C 00:44:18 what's the shortest way to get the first byte == 47 in BF? 00:44:43 "30 sekunnin vфlein noin 1/2 litraa vettф kiukaalle." 1/2 liters of water on the oven every 30 sec 00:45:03 -!- krat0s98 has joined. 00:45:22 what's 'heinola'? :) 00:45:30 it's a place in finland 00:45:51 ideas? 00:45:56 lament: The location of They Might Be Giant's secret underground headquarters. 00:46:21 HandOfCode: i think there was a page somewhere trying to find the shortest ways to express numbers 00:46:37 Could someone please tell me how bad the hordes of redditors are today? 00:46:58 Who put the alphabet in alphabetical order? 00:47:00 krat0s98: Horrid. You included. 00:47:26 pikhq: Yeahp, and that was all I wanted to ask. You fine people have a nice evening xD 00:47:41 * ElbridgeGerry has a nice evening on request. 00:47:44 HandOfCode: >-[<->+++++]<---- 00:47:50 -!- krat0s98 has quit (Client Quit). 00:48:02 256-wrap? 00:48:06 Yeah. 00:48:21 that's so cheating :) 00:48:24 what's shortest on bignums? 00:48:26 but cute 00:49:01 blargh, school in 5 hours :\ 00:49:06 ...oh, yeah, the away thing -> 00:49:11 ok I see how it works 00:49:12 nice one 00:49:20 dewys device 00:49:27 oklokok: but 00:49:28 :p 00:49:35 lament: That's what PEBBLE does. 00:49:38 -!- tezlo has quit ("drugs"). 00:49:51 -!- Ben` has quit ("Leaving"). 00:50:05 -!- naringas has left (?). 00:50:06 !bf8 >-[<->+++++]<----. 00:50:09 -!- naringas has joined. 00:50:10 / 00:50:16 darn 00:52:55 >>> bf w66-. 00:52:55 A 00:53:07 >>> bf w48-. 00:53:08 / 00:53:21 that's a pretty easy way to make 47 00:55:07 -!- ElbridgeGerry has changed nick to Somebody. 00:55:18 -!- Somebody has changed nick to ElbridgeGerry. 00:55:21 hmm 00:55:22 -!- r3m0t has quit ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.6/2007072518]"). 00:55:38 i'll add ;: 00:56:00 someone keep me updated if irp gets #1 00:56:13 -!- ehird` has quit. 00:56:21 -!- ekrpat has quit. 00:56:24 -!- naringas has left (?). 00:57:08 for gods' sake we need more admins on the wiki 00:58:06 somebody hack 69.118.79.88 and make his computer electrocute him. 00:58:12 spam? 00:58:22 vandalism on [IRP] 00:58:35 Please allow me to introduce myself, I'm the orange peel. 00:58:49 -!- conservohippie has joined. 00:59:25 -!- johnjaco1 has joined. 01:00:05 And I'm back in the USSR. 01:00:29 please iterate over members of the channel and op the user with nick matching "johnjaco1" 01:00:38 Go to hell. 01:00:42 ERROR CODE 1 01:00:54 johnjaco1: read the topic. 01:00:56 hmm... 01:01:06 >>> bf ++++++++: 01:01:24 >>> bf ++++++++: 01:01:24 8 01:01:35 cool, almost flawless victory 01:01:36 well fix the wiki then 01:01:44 that reddit linked to 01:01:45 >>> bf ;: <<< 5 01:01:46 5 01:01:48 wow 01:01:59 either i or python really owns. 01:02:23 python! 01:02:54 lament: don't take this away from me, that wasn't *that* trivial an addition 01:03:08 -!- r2q2 has joined. 01:03:23 Heh. IRP is #3 on the reddit main page. 01:03:43 wtf? 01:03:43 -!- dtbelobrown has joined. 01:03:51 but i gotta go have sex with my coffee, cya (prolly in a minute, hopefully tomorrow) 01:03:52 -> 01:03:59 oh fantastic 01:04:24 ABSOLUTELY CHARMING 01:04:52 holy shit there's 55 people in here 01:04:55 O.o 01:05:17 the worst has mostly stopped when we redirected people to #irp 01:05:46 but keeping the wiki in shape is a bit of a problem as there're no admins around 01:05:52 -!- sebbu2 has quit ("@+"). 01:06:05 when did this happen? 01:06:25 bsmntbombdood: http://reddit.com 01:06:33 i know 01:06:35 a few hours ago 01:07:21 21 people in #irp, and it was completely empty earlier today :) 01:07:46 its not nearly as entertaining as it sounds 01:08:13 Highly variable. 01:08:37 johnjaco1: Go to hell. ERROR CODE 1 01:08:50 =p 01:09:22 fuck you, new guys 01:09:48 bsmntbombdood: Error: Lack of desire. 01:10:11 bsmntbombdood: There aren't any sex channels on freenode. 01:10:39 -!- Trey has joined. 01:10:40 efnet then. the further the better. 01:11:06 -!- Trey has changed nick to W|cked. 01:12:57 -!- johnjaco1 has quit ("this sounded way cooler on your wiki, please get a life u sad fuckers"). 01:13:35 haha 01:14:09