< 1190678626 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"@+" < 1190679332 0 :CakeProphet__!n=CakeProp@h109.214.40.162.ip.alltel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1190679464 0 :CakeProphet__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1190679479 0 :CakeProphet__!n=CakeProp@h109.214.40.162.ip.alltel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1190679520 0 :CakeProphet__!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :CakeProphet < 1190680372 0 :CakeProphet_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1190682302 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fully intend, next year, to laugh at the undergrad CS students who don't know shit about coding. < 1190682313 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moreover, I plan to do it in Brainfuck. < 1190682429 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps assisted with my friendly compiler. :) < 1190682593 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1190683495 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1190683517 0 :CakeProphet__!n=CakeProp@h109.214.40.162.ip.alltel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1190683519 0 :CakeProphet__!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :CakeProphet < 1190684493 0 :SEO_DUDE!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1190684796 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it's impolite to laugh at people just because they don't know something they're not even supposed to know. < 1190684847 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: I refuse to be polite, then. < 1190684884 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, i'll laugh at you because you don't know Russian, then. < 1190684896 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really, how can anybody be that stupid? :) < 1190684936 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd only be silly if I went in as a Russian major. < 1190684944 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then claimed to be a god at Russian. < 1190684958 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(like the people I intend to laugh at claim to be a god at coding) < 1190684973 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the CS program assumes no knowledge of programming < 1190685004 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I assume that the mathematics program assumes no knowledge of math? < 1190685004 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :much unlike the math program < 1190685017 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: it should < 1190685023 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: why? < 1190685062 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inevitably, the ones who will stick around in such a program *already know a bit about programming*. < 1190685068 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: that's not true. < 1190685086 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of people learn programming while in the CS program. < 1190685156 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: be aware of the fact that virtually all introductory (read: required) CS courses specify a language for the completion of all assignments. < 1190685183 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a math program, you're expected to know the language of math, ie algebra < 1190685186 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: in my university, there was an exam you could take to skip the first few courses. < 1190685190 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the same should be true in a cs program < 1190685198 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: ...why? < 1190685210 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: so people who already knew programming could take the exam, and others would take those courses. < 1190685213 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Particularly when it is plausible for someone to know programming by age 8. . . < 1190685225 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you get into an AI course or something and still want to use PEBBLE, be my guest. However, CS 1001 or whatever-the-hell-it's-called introductory programming is going to use either C++ or Java, period. < 1190685241 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: C++ at the college I want to go to. < 1190685246 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fortuitously, I *know* C++. < 1190685258 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Age 8? Pah. :-P < 1190685261 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'd love to do one assignment in PEBBLE, for no good reason. :p < 1190685271 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: note that the analogy is doubly broken because the CS program *also* expects you to know math, just like the math program. < 1190685273 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: that's stupid < 1190685287 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :java and c++ don't have anything to offer to CS < 1190685287 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: in fact, both programs expect you to know what you're taught in HS. < 1190685296 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that I know when I learned Pascal. That was a while ago. < 1190685301 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: which involves a lot of math and no (mandatory) CS. < 1190685310 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: 1) try being a fucking grader, 2) those intro courses are *largely* about teaching sane coding style, formatting and commenting practice < 1190685312 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: if you can't learn anything on your own, you're stupid < 1190685326 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: ...then they aren't CS < 1190685332 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: there's a difference between "can" and "should" < 1190685334 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imagine you going in as an English major, and enter not knowing English. . . < 1190685357 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: with languages *other* than English, that's exactly how it works. < 1190685366 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could enter not knowing any Spanish, and then become a Spanish major. < 1190685374 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: I assume this is a school somewhere where English is spoken natively. < 1190685378 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. < 1190685380 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: why is it valuable to have CS majors without practical coding experience? Theory is far less useful if nobody knows how to apply it in a useful fashion. < 1190685424 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, faculties can't assume that you know anything beyond high school stuff. Otherwise, nobody would go to said faculties. < 1190685446 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: Programming courses for a computer science program should honestly be considered remedial courses. . . < 1190685448 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so all faculties assume english, and all faculties assume math, and none of them assume programming. < 1190685460 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: i would < 1190685461 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The subject "English" is a horrible spectrum ranging from literature to spelling. < 1190685471 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: sure, just like basic spanish courses are "remedial" for a spanish major < 1190685477 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The two are pretty much unrelated. < 1190685478 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And try to get high schools to actually match that. < 1190685508 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: For a degree in English, literature is usually what is being referred to. ;) < 1190685510 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: well, *given* the high schools, universities are pretty much doing the best they can. < 1190685560 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given the high schools, I'm surprised people can even wipe their ass after graduating from high school. < 1190685586 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that supposed to be taught in schools at all? < 1190685587 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a depressing number of people who choose a college major without doing anything in advance of showing up for the first class to prepare themselves < 1190685612 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asswiping 101 < 1190685613 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: I dunno, I think they teach it in some of the elementary school special ed classes < 1190685626 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is totally serious < 1190685684 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got taught to wipe my ass < 1190685704 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by my parents, of course, not by a school < 1190685709 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same < 1190685745 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if parents are incapable of teaching their children to dress themselves, eat, and defecate properly, I don't think they deserve the title "parent" < 1190685749 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah, to summarize, the math program assumes as much math knowledge as the CS program assumes CS knowledge -- everything you learned in high school. < 1190685778 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd think the people going to math are pretty smart. Yet the program doesn't even assume they know calculus. Because not everybody learns calculus in high schools. < 1190685794 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: dependence on a broken system isn't smart < 1190685805 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which says more about high-schools than universities, really < 1190685814 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: you don't quite understand. < 1190685825 0 :gurami!n=gurami@wm173-163.unwired-grad.wm.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1190685830 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: there's this thing called *the real world*, which is where both universities and high schools have to operate. < 1190685832 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you need to remember- there are two reasons you go to college: to learn, or to prove what you know < 1190685861 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: In this "real world", the universities can't do anything about the high schools and have to do their best given the situation. < 1190685863 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my case, some of both. In some cases, more of the former < 1190685874 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: which is what they do. < 1190685907 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't raise the bar above HS requirements because then almost nobody would attend. < 1190685920 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :universities are for the advancement of academia, not for making money < 1190685947 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this case, universities are for teaching, and teaching is what they do. < 1190685955 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The high schools need to be revamped signifigantly. . < 1190685956 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forcing people to know stuff they didn't get taught in high school would keep the idiots out < 1190685979 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Universities aren't out to make money? < 1190685981 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: so where should they learn this stuff? By themselves? < 1190685988 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: yes... < 1190685995 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: so, if you can learn it all by yourself < 1190685999 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why go to university at all? < 1190686005 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: In *name*, they're largely public institutions. < 1190686027 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a fine balance to strike between punishing people for being lazy cockoffs in high-school and unfairly hurting the people that honestly did try yet went to crappy schools < 1190686065 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: to interact with smart people < 1190686103 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: that's not the stated goal of universities (in the context of getting an undergrad degree). Perhaps a society like MENSA would serve you better. < 1190686117 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha... mensa < 1190686137 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1190686155 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: wait... were you serious about the mensa thing? < 1190686161 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and for accreditation < 1190686198 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but accreditation really fucks shit up :( < 1190686228 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, Mensa. I think my mom says it's mostly about "Look at me, I'm smart enough to be in Mensa!" < 1190686232 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MENSA is remarkable, in that it seems to be more a society of people smart enough to join, but not smart enough to willingly *not* join. < 1190686245 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: he wants to interact with smart people, no? < 1190686299 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, he said smart people, but smart people isn't necessarily the same thing as pretentious assholes with high-IQs that are willing to pay membership dues to say so. < 1190686333 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that's his problem :) < 1190686349 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1190686371 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: Like I said: smart enough to join, not smart enough to *not* join. ;) < 1190686381 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in all honesty, I think quite a few of us here could get into MENSA if we wanted and yet... none of us are currently... how unusual... < 1190686400 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed, I could. < 1190686406 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yeah, I was just making the point in a different way < 1190686413 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: what's their cutoff? < 1190686416 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Here's an IQ test I took. . . 8 years ago." ;) < 1190686417 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :130. < 1190686428 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: 1 in 50 makes it in, iirc. < 1190686436 0 :gurami!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tell me how to make a really great cappuccino please? < 1190686448 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gurami: the key ingredient is great espresso < 1190686455 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming an IQ test with some other standard deviation, it is officially 2 standard deriviations. < 1190686457 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: ah... dude, that would mean mensa "geniuses" are within one standard deviantion. WTF? < 1190686459 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gurami: do you have a big, expensive espresso machine? < 1190686464 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is that "genius level"? < 1190686465 0 :gurami!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do < 1190686467 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gurami: 1 part really great esspresso, 1 part milk, 1 part microfoam? < 1190686492 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gurami: the other key thing is knowing how to foam milk < 1190686498 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hold on < 1190686509 0 :gurami!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is difficult - I always end up with too little foam < 1190686521 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gurami: http://www.coffeegeek.com/guides/frothingguide < 1190686526 0 :gurami!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :excellent < 1190686539 0 :gurami!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reading something called the frothingguide will make this day complete < 1190686547 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in general, look at http://www.coffeegeek.com/guides < 1190686561 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: Presumably because 2 SDs is 0.5% of the population? < 1190686599 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: oh, wait- crap- I did that wrong in my head < 1190686613 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :68, 95, 99 < 1190686616 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still not all *that* impressive. < 1190686645 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing against you, gurami, but is there any particular reason you decided this would be a good channel to ask about cappuccino? < 1190686661 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is nobody here capable of spelling "deviation"? :-P < 1190686664 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is at about the point where IQ tests are incapable of accurately discerning meaningful values. < 1190686671 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me too. < 1190686689 0 :gurami!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh, I figure a room full of esoteric programmers would be pretty knowledgeable about caffeine delivery methods :) < 1190686691 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: How the hell did I enter an "r" in my second usage of "deviation"? < 1190686707 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gurami: Coffee, and lots of it. ;p < 1190686717 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mountain Dew is also damned good. < 1190686722 0 :ihope_!n=ihope@c-71-205-100-59.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1190686724 0 :gurami!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you like pee < 1190686753 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_-' < 1190686764 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish i knew espresso :( < 1190686765 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: whoops, I cannot believe I made that typo. :S < 1190686779 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am normally capable of spelling "deviation" < 1190686813 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Your IQ is at least this high", they said... < 1190686817 0 :gurami!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) I mean, i can understand an addiction to mountain dew. i just cant sympathize < 1190686846 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1190686848 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coffee is much preferable to pop < 1190686852 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :none of that sugar < 1190686871 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes, I need something sugary. < 1190686892 0 :gurami!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I totally call all cola "Coke". Pop must be preceded by Snap and Crackle. < 1190686911 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I call all operating systems "Windows". :p < 1190686930 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debian GNU/Windows. < 1190686934 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gurami: mountain dew isn't cola < 1190686940 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, is that Cygwin? < 1190686987 0 :gurami!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok i call all soft drinks coke. < 1190686992 0 :gurami!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think its a southern thing. < 1190687033 0 :gurami!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[http://popvssoda.com] < 1190687052 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a popist. < 1190687071 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except when I think the word "pop" sound silly, in which case... um... < 1190687093 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I seem to be becoming increasingly unable to put the "s" on the end of stuff.) < 1190687107 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do both "soda" and "pop". . . < 1190687143 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Why the singular/plural distinction, anyway? I don't like it.) < 1190687157 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Person can understand thing just fine without it, can't it?) < 1190687186 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :espresso machines/grinders are expensive < 1190687189 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I generally use "soda" only for "fruit"-flavored drinks. < 1190687203 0 :gurami!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's a question, is someone who believes in the Pope's mission a "Popist"? < 1190687221 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, why not? < 1190687236 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I believe in both Pope and pop. < 1190687304 0 :gurami!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry i took the level of this conversation down a bunch < 1190687313 0 :gurami!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im kinda bored and delirious < 1190687321 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pope pop! the new flavor sensation sweeping vatican city! "Holy christ on a stick it's good", says an anonymous dude. < 1190687389 0 :gurami!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The new brown pope pop: Poopy Pope Pop! < 1190687392 0 :gurami!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sorry) < 1190687539 0 :gurami!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1190687551 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Easter-Flavored Pope Pop! < 1190687578 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Where is it? It can't have left the grave!" < 1190687578 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1190687596 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It makes you feel like crawling out of hell and doing something with palm fronds!" < 1190687673 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd be Good Friday Pope Pop, and that has cyanide. :p < 1190687897 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1190688220 0 :SEO_DUDE!i=Deee@gateway/tor/x-47225a384592ef90 JOIN :#esoteric < 1190691100 0 :SEO_DUDE!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1190692833 0 :Herr_Rob!i=me@ip70-171-115-241.no.no.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1190692871 0 :Robdgreat!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1190692875 0 :Herr_Rob!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Robdgreat < 1190694169 0 :SEO_DUDE!i=Deee@gateway/tor/x-69b9f2861448df70 JOIN :#esoteric < 1190694498 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1190696713 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: i made a fucking awesome hat < 1190696762 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a tetrahedron < 1190696985 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :man, heavy shit in #Nonlogic < 1190697002 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat, lies! < 1190697057 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes I wish we were a bit more like #Esoteric in the sense that we didn't have a big centralized set of servers providing all our stuff- #Esoteric's resources are distributed around to different people < 1190697075 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have a lot of friction going on because we have a community half and a company half. < 1190697082 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat, where ios this? < 1190697113 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just another channel, another IRC community < 1190697185 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a little pearl of wisdom here: shit gets complicated when you let it. < 1190697266 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, what's up with you? < 1190697451 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric doesn't provide shell servers... < 1190697460 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's true < 1190698538 0 :bsmntbom1dood!i=gavin@rrcs-67-52-47-67.west.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1190699030 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1190699035 0 :bsmntbom1dood!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :bsmntbombdood < 1190699539 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Ex-Chat" < 1190703052 0 :jix!n=jix@195.37.106.60 JOIN :#esoteric < 1190705575 0 :immibis!n=immibis@122-57-139-46.jetstream.xtra.co.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1190706174 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[mc<25>=(_a)A!(_o)O!/(c)c1(_a)s.?"12345 "(_o)o.?\]} < 1190706188 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[mc<25>=(_a)A!(_o)O!/(c)c<1>(_a)s.?"12345 "(_o)o.?\]} < 1190706192 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ps < 1190706194 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 immibis: glass < 1190706197 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 immibis: glass < 1190706198 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 immibis: ps < 1190706201 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!kill 3 < 1190706202 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!kill 4 < 1190706204 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Process 4 killed. < 1190706206 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 123 < 1190706208 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 123 < 1190706331 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[mc<25>=(_a)A!(_o)O!/(c)cc*<1>(_a)s.?="12345 "(_o)o.?\]} < 1190706334 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345 < 1190706417 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[mx<1>=(_o)O!(_i)I!/(x)(_i)l.?(_o)o.?\]} < 1190706426 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!kill 3 < 1190706428 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Process 3 killed. < 1190706433 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!daemon glasscat glass {M[mx<1>=(_o)O!(_i)I!/(x)(_i)l.?(_o)o.?\]} < 1190706438 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glasscat test < 1190706451 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glasscat hello? < 1190706455 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!undaemon glasscat < 1190706467 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ps d < 1190706599 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1190707199 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1190707200 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1190707640 0 :toBogE!n=toBogE@122-57-139-46.jetstream.xtra.co.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1190707643 0 :toBogE!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :egobot < 1190707647 0 :egobot!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :EgoBot < 1190707673 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :EgoBotsClone < 1190708257 0 :EgoBotsClone!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Excess Flood < 1190708576 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"CommandQ" < 1190709002 0 :EgoBotsClone!n=EgoBotsC@122-57-139-46.jetstream.xtra.co.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1190709068 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!raw join #toboge < 1190709831 0 :sekhmet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1190709831 0 :zuzu_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1190709968 0 :zuzu_!i=zuzu@melanarchy.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1190709968 0 :sekhmet!n=pez@wilug/madlug/sekhmet JOIN :#esoteric < 1190710100 0 :EgoBotsClone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finished channel list, receiving user list for each channel < 1190712407 0 :EgoBotsClone!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1190712451 0 :EgoBotsClone!n=EgoBotsC@122-57-139-46.jetstream.xtra.co.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1190712464 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!raw join #toboge < 1190712518 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_o)O!"Hello World!"(_o).?]} < 1190712518 0 :EgoBotsClone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :java.io.IOException: CreateProcess: "runglass "{M[m(_o)O!"Hello World!"(_o).?]}"" error=2 < 1190712602 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the system cannot find the file specified....... < 1190712810 0 :EgoBotsClone!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1190712836 0 :EgoBotsClone!n=EgoBotsC@122-57-139-46.jetstream.xtra.co.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1190712858 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_o)O!"Hello World!"(_o).?]} < 1190712859 0 :EgoBotsClone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :java.io.IOException: CreateProcess: "pause > NUL" "C:\djgpp\glass-0.7\glass "{M[m(_o)O!"Hello World!"(_o).?]}"" error=2 < 1190712869 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1190712879 0 :EgoBotsClone!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1190712898 0 :EgoBotsClone!n=EgoBotsC@122-57-139-46.jetstream.xtra.co.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1190712912 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_o)O!"Hello World!"(_o).?]} < 1190712931 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_o)O!"Hello World!"(_o).?]} < 1190712931 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_o)O!"Hello World!"(_o).?]} < 1190712958 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does "ntvdm.exe: error setting up the environment for the new application" mean exactly? < 1190712975 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!raw join #toboge < 1190713165 0 :Guilt!n=ca361a78@allegro/user/Guilt JOIN :#esoteric < 1190713205 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"(RodgerTheGreat) in all honesty, I think quite a few of us here could get into MENSA if we wanted and yet... none of us are currently... how unusual..." how do you know? i almost went to the tests :P < 1190713567 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't stand IQ tests, it's just about fast pattern matching < 1190713585 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, actually i can't stand them because of that for the simple reason that's what i'm particularly bad at ;) < 1190713645 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, schools -> < 1190713866 0 :EgoBotsClone!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1190713881 0 :EgoBotsClone!n=EgoBotsC@122-57-139-46.jetstream.xtra.co.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1190713903 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_o)O!"Hello World!"(_o).?]} < 1190713917 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :come on.... < 1190713939 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? error while setting up environment for the application!!! < 1190714658 0 :SEO_DUDE!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1190715016 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!raw join #tobog < 1190715017 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!raw join #toboge < 1190715021 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!raw part #tobog < 1190715100 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Hi, I'm a quit message virus. Please replace your old line with this line and help me take over the world of IRC. Friends hel < 1190715122 0 :EgoBotsClone!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1190715327 0 :Guilt!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"CGI:IRC at http://freenode.bafsoft.ath.cx:14464/ (EOF)" < 1190715979 0 :Guilt!n=d9a0ff72@allegro/user/Guilt JOIN :#esoteric < 1190719705 0 :Tritonio!n=Tritonio@ppp089210082204.dsl.hol.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1190726128 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-091-096-043-191.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1190727050 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep" < 1190728867 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1190729417 0 :SEO_DUDE!i=Deee@gateway/tor/x-410a890e97a71ebf JOIN :#esoteric < 1190730057 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: well, I'm kinda on the other end of the spectrum there < 1190730128 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm really, really good at the types of things on IQ tests (spatial thinking, pattern recognition, etc), and standardized tests in general, to the point that I have difficulty believing my results are anything but statistical anomalies < 1190730385 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main problem is that IQ tests tend to place a tremendous amount of weight on some fairly specialized types of skills < 1190730449 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i get good scores too, but i feel stupid doing them, since i just get the trivial ones in the short time you have... < 1190730483 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess everyone just gets the trivial stuff.... < 1190730533 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I'm familiar with testing and scoring procedure (another reason my scores should be taken with a grain of salt) and most modern tests weight the question < 1190730627 0 :Guilt!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"CGI:IRC at http://freenode.bafsoft.ath.cx:14464/ (EOF)" < 1190732112 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-091-096-043-191.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1190732651 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should write an esoteric compression algorithm < 1190732714 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :output brainfuck that, when executed, outputs the input? < 1190737030 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-50-114.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1190737321 0 :bsmntbom1dood!i=gavin@rrcs-67-52-47-67.west.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1190737999 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1190739879 0 :Tritonio!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1190742729 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) < 1190742786 0 :jix!n=jix@host-091-096-144-248.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1190743909 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1190744156 0 :Guilt!n=ca361a78@cpe-74-76-59-19.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1190744343 0 :ehird`!n=ehird@user-5af069d2.wfd101.dsl.pol.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1190744990 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1190745487 0 :bsmntbom1dood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my hat+goggles are TEH SHIT < 1190745505 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pix < 1190745521 0 :bsmntbom1dood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't have any ;( < 1190745527 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :take! < 1190745527 0 :bsmntbom1dood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i might take one when i get home < 1190745543 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hat+goggles? bsmntbom1dood is designing mad scientist wear? < 1190745554 0 :bsmntbom1dood!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :bsmntbombdood < 1190745574 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, bf_txtgen may need some optimizing to actually compress... < 1190745581 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course < 1190745605 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen aaaaaaaaaaaa < 1190745635 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: they're not mad scientist like < 1190745655 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hat is a tetrahedron made out of duck tape and cardboard < 1190745660 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that each character in a brainfuck program takes only 8 possible values, some sequences of which are redundant or impossible... < 1190745660 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the goggles too < 1190745675 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tetrahedron sounds pretty mad to me :D < 1190745725 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but proper madness of course requires something better than cardboard. tinfoil perhaps? < 1190745727 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the goggles are sort of square-piramids with the tips and bases cut off < 1190745740 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought about covering with tinfoil < 1190745755 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: true, i'm not saying it doesn't compress anything < 1190745810 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: basically you are immediately at at least a 3/8 handicap < 1190745840 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however given that i've heard english text only has 1 bit per character information, there is still some wiggling room < 1190745848 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you would only use 3 bits/instruction of course < 1190745932 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 bit per character? darn, my conciseness-based conlang only does 75% compression compared to english :| < 1190745957 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that figure may have been anecdotal though < 1190745976 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, sounds a bit of a coinsidence < 1190746012 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: In my crypto classes, I heard figures of at least 1.6 < 1190746027 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(we covered a little compression) < 1190746035 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure it varies greatly < 1190746039 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.6 meaning? < 1190746049 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bits per character < 1190746050 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bits of entropy per char < 1190746055 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1190746058 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what bsmntbombdood said < 1190746100 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh... that was kinda obvious, sorry :D < 1190746107 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have a look at the middle image here- http://folklore.org/projects/Macintosh/images/polaroids/polaroids.2.jpg < 1190746148 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you see there is the original prototype interface for the Apple Lisa, the final version of which became the macintosh GUI. < 1190746179 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like it < 1190746244 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine what computers would be like today if softkey-driven keyboard based UIs had become dominant back in the day. < 1190746393 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the window manager i use is completely key driven < 1190746422 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not really the same thing, unless your "window manager" is mc < 1190746469 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that? < 1190746478 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :midnight commander? < 1190746488 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kinda like dosshell < 1190746503 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought that was a file manager < 1190746571 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux Mint 3.1 is out! < 1190746584 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dosshell is a little more than a file manager < 1190746780 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in case anyone happens to know how to get my own ip on ubuntu in python, i'd appreciate it < 1190746796 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :google only gives me getaddrinfo crap that only works on win < 1190746812 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ask in #python ? < 1190746818 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :great idea! :) < 1190748027 0 :SEO_DUDE!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1190748896 0 :SEO_DUDE!i=Deee@gateway/tor/x-5d388ecb0a5cd817 JOIN :#esoteric < 1190749125 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok oklopol i've got a pic < 1190749400 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://abacus.kwzs.be/~bsmntbombdood/hat_goggles.jpg < 1190749404 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno why it's so grainy < 1190749472 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i gotta get me one of those < 1190749567 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-62-60.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1190749633 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION can't wait to play with the new version of LM < 1190749656 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is downloading it now < 1190749659 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait a minute, an actual, clear, part-of-face showing picture of bsmntbombdood? impossible :D < 1190749767 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you seen the latest, greatest conspiracy theory? < 1190749784 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1190749797 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://digg.com/videos/music/How_our_financial_system_really_works < 1190749847 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alas, the only way yet found to get a load of monkies to work hard is debt like that. < 1190749883 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: only part of face, so it's good < 1190749915 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION presses the ENHANCE button < 1190749937 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the hat and goggles are way cool, right? < 1190749944 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wore them to school today < 1190750046 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: WAIT WHAT < 1190750050 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's against the laws of nature < 1190750054 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :call the nature police < 1190750181 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION keeps downloading LM < 1190750182 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LM3.1 < 1190750218 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is that? < 1190750416 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is dissappointed no one misinterpreted him to refer to bsmntbombdood with his remark < 1190750429 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1190750457 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"(oklopol) i gotta get me one of those" < 1190750520 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know, i'm in high demand < 1190750678 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really wore that to school? < 1190750689 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1190750700 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used to be a cook too... nowadays i don't bother going to school anymore :< < 1190750714 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"cook" < 1190750716 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :loonie < 1190750720 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks the top of bsmntbombdood's head must be _really_ ugly. < 1190750720 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kook < 1190750737 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1190750761 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you've seen the top of my head before < 1190750763 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think < 1190750776 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION points out a picture he drew (explanation to follow at some point in the future): http://users.durge.org/~sc/Kigdatsi/pics/Kig_20070922.png < 1190750777 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah http://abacus.kwzs.be/~bsmntbombdood/pic_3.jpg < 1190750779 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes to watch TV. < 1190750780 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe it's just that americans have really weird fashion sense < 1190750838 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get it < 1190750840 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, i didn't know you were in the picture < 1190750887 0 :SEO_DUDE!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1190750892 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: dragon sex? < 1190750900 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, maybe it's that "666" on his forehead he doesn't want to show, it's covered in both... < 1190750942 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not intentionally covered in #3 < 1190750967 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think we've ever seen pics of you oerjan ... < 1190751042 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :busted! < 1190751065 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm actually a lizard < 1190751121 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinky < 1190751140 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used to have a pass photo on my homepage but a friend said i looked like a Hitlerjugend so i took it away... i don't actually have any kind of digital camera < 1190751151 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or scanner. < 1190751164 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :excuses, excuses < 1190751240 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O.o xkcd jokes reuse! < 1190751247 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still in the directory though - http://oerjan.nvg.org/face.gif~ but it's at least 10 years old < 1190751284 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's hitlerjugend like? < 1190751298 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can see the resemblence! .. no i can't < 1190751310 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that can't be you! < 1190751319 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, oerjan, i'm going to ignore that photo because my mental-image-o-tron does not percieve you as looking like that < 1190751321 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have fun < 1190751324 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a friend with a weird sense of humor :) < 1190751333 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh :D < 1190751345 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of the reason ehird` said < 1190751351 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan of FRC! < 1190751374 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :norwegians never pose for a pic without a massive cod in their hand! < 1190751379 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what, you recognize the picture? O_O < 1190751383 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1190751398 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's just that you are of the Fantasy Rules Comittee < 1190751406 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right? < 1190751415 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :used to be, yes. < 1190751454 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION used to love reading the archives < 1190751470 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION still does actually < 1190751474 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :germany is O.o < 1190751482 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just thought if you were on FRC, you might actually have seen that picture when it was on my homepage :D < 1190751483 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't say "sieg heil"?!? < 1190751540 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i _hate_ fishing despite that both my grandfathers were fishermen and my father loves it < 1190751547 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: you can't do shit in germany because of the whole nazi thing < 1190751563 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1190751564 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more or less the same with skis, btw < 1190751571 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fighting opression with opression! < 1190751589 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oppression i think you mean < 1190751600 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1190751656 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i'll just ignore that and continue to think of you as a long-haired fishing-loving satan-worshipper! < 1190751696 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION listens to a lot of death metal < 1190751706 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what's it called < 1190751708 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1190751719 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm very bad with genres :) < 1190751724 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :norwegian death metal? < 1190751728 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just to completely ruin everything, i must mention that i love ABBA :D < 1190751731 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :black i guess < 1190751740 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1190751752 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, death metal sucks < 1190751765 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure what death metal is. < 1190751767 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i love mayhem < 1190751775 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so does black metal < 1190751777 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and dimmu :P < 1190751783 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wrong with it? < 1190751804 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, dimmu < 1190751813 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"death cult armageddon" < 1190751895 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no one takes the lyrics seriously :P < 1190751914 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just nice music < 1190751932 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/dc/Gorgorothvid.jpg < 1190751940 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg they r k00l!!!!!!!! < 1190751992 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haikus are fun/but this is not/a haiku < 1190752043 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :verry cool :D < 1190752176 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree that is one ridiculous outfit, but i don't understand people who wear anything but black t-shirts anyway < 1190752185 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haikus are fun/but this is not/a haiku/haikus have no more than 3 lines < 1190752235 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol there's a death metal band called necrophagia < 1190752245 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's fuuuny < 1190752266 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DD < 1190752272 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gorgasm is one of my favorite < 1190752274 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*s < 1190752293 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cannibal corpse is a classic of course, but that's usually pretty dull melodically < 1190752466 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Per_Yngve_Ohlin < 1190752472 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^ that guy is also funny < 1190752646 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was your reason for death metal sucking the fact the people who make it are idiots? :P < 1190752659 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do you have something against the actual music? < 1190752667 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just don't like the music < 1190752697 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you must not have heard gorgasm, it's absolute beauty < 1190752707 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doom metal is much better < 1190752718 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... can you give me an example band :P < 1190752724 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea what that is < 1190752729 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :candlemass, black sabbath < 1190752844 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1190752875 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't heard much black sabbath < 1190753055 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe, this is some groovy rock 'n' roll ;) < 1190753088 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, black sabbath is good < 1190753119 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do not turn my sarcasm around! < 1190753140 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1190753175 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you like rock 'n' roll? < 1190753187 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1190753192 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1190753196 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't think anyone would < 1190753266 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION beats oklopol with a stick < 1190753310 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1190753340 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :abba is better than sabbath < 1190753350 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, according to this one random song i heard. < 1190753350 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lololol < 1190753362 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :abba is terrrrrible < 1190753378 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wants to play some Fantasy Chess < 1190753413 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the solo part is okay < 1190753450 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :abba, like most pop, occasionally has nice melodies, but uses too little of them per song < 1190753652 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you probably listened to bad sabbath < 1190753726 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i may have, these ancient bands i've doomed to be bad for no apparent reason sometimes turn out to be pretty decent. < 1190753785 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ancient bands are the only good ones < 1190753902 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything went downhill after Akhenaton's Sun Hymn, really < 1190753942 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn straight < 1190753960 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :music gets better all the time < 1190754021 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even pop nowadays sometimes sounds like music from time to time < 1190754031 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ occasionally < 1190754150 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whooooaaa i'm seeing flying starts < 1190754153 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*stars < 1190754160 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crazy < 1190754398 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably just a side effect of having a tetrahedron on your head. watch out for weird time distortions. < 1190754414 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1190755009 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i woke up 3 hours ago, i actually felt like i could do something for a change < 1190755020 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i now realize i did not < 1190755128 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1190756029 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"CommandQ" < 1190758146 0 :cherez!n=cherez@r02snw275.desktop.umr.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1190758164 0 :cherez!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1190759300 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :taste in music is subjective, surprise! < 1190759823 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night" < 1190759979 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric