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01:52:58 <RodgerTheGreat> http://www.safalra.com/programming/esoteric-languages/misc/architecture-specification/ <- I think I'm going to build a simplified version of this in a logic simulator
01:53:45 <RodgerTheGreat> mainly I think the whole address or constant thing is unnecessary and adds a fair amount of complexity. It's better to just store constants at memory locations
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01:57:31 <RodgerTheGreat> GregorR: you there?
01:58:09 <RodgerTheGreat> is it assumed that a MISC machine uses two's complement for numbers?
01:59:22 <bsmntbombdood> it doesn't matter i don't think
02:18:12 <RodgerTheGreat> hm
02:22:25 <bsmntbombdood> except maybe with printing
04:02:42 <bsmntbombdood> everybody here should go to ##crypto-forum and talk about anonymous digital currency
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04:41:49 <oklopol> has safalra been here?
04:42:13 <oerjan> not since i joined
04:42:21 <oklopol> when did you join?
04:42:36 <oerjan> 23:33
04:42:41 <oerjan> now 5:42
04:42:52 <oklopol> i see
04:43:11 <oklopol> now for a completely different subject
04:43:18 <oklopol> what was the first time you joined
04:43:36 <oklopol> and out of curiosity, has safalra been here *at all* during that time?
04:43:54 <oklopol> i should read all the logs
04:44:16 <oerjan> you can google at site:tunes.org
04:45:02 <oerjan> er, the first hit is <calamari> is Safalra ever on irc?
04:45:12 <oerjan> doesn't look good
04:45:16 <oklopol> hehe :P
04:45:35 <oklopol> indeed you can, i never remember google has that tag
04:46:06 <oerjan> you can also do it from the advanced search menu
04:47:48 <bsmntbombdood> who's safalra?
04:48:52 <oerjan> http://www.safalra.com/programming/esoteric-languages/
04:48:58 <oklopol> the creator of sansism
04:50:11 <oklopol> hmm, misc is also safalra's?
04:50:28 <oklopol> well, time to do some coffee ->
04:50:31 <oerjan> not seen on the wiki since 21 Oct 2006
04:50:33 <oklopol> (yes, do.)
04:51:08 <oerjan> but the website has been updated since
04:54:10 <oerjan> stalking further, he edited wikipedia yesterday...
04:57:42 <bsmntbombdood> he urinates an average of 6 times per day, and spend 3 hours per day browsing digg
04:58:02 <oerjan> that on his website?
05:02:33 <oklopol> what? how dare he exist and not be on this channel simultaneously :|
05:03:22 <oklopol> i mean, he must've existed yesterday then :|
05:08:50 <oerjan> eep, webcomic time!
05:21:33 <pikhq> I vote today's xkcd "kick ass". In favor?
05:22:00 <oerjan> in effect, yes
05:22:24 <oerjan> how many hobbies does he have, anyhow? :D
05:23:19 <pikhq> Xkcd (the guy) needs many of them.
05:23:36 <pikhq> As if running a webcomic and an IRC network weren't enough. :p
05:23:57 <oerjan> i guess it takes his mind off the velociraptors.
05:24:17 <pikhq> No, it fuels his paranoia.
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05:59:51 <bsmntbombdood> pikhq: it made me wiktionary effect and affect
06:00:37 <bsmntbombdood> and i still don't get it :(
06:00:44 <bsmntbombdood> i'm a failure
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06:07:57 <g4lt-mordant> bsmntbombdood, try oed or m-w.com
06:09:05 <bsmntbombdood> oed is subscription only
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07:51:59 <GregorR> bsmntbom1dood: When you affect something, it causes an effect.
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18:59:35 <lament> "their"?
18:59:50 <ehird`> yes
18:59:52 <ehird`> it was in /me
18:59:57 <ehird`> "ais523 apologises for taking longer than their quit message 2 hours ago suggested"
19:00:07 <ehird`> also, you're 6 hours late.
19:03:28 <lament> i don't think it's grammatically appropriate to use "their" with a specific personal name (ais523)
19:03:41 <lament> although ais523 could refer to a group of people, i suppose.
19:04:00 <ehird`> that's the singular-they issue
19:04:16 <ehird`> personally I am in favour of singular they/their - I don't like gender-specific pronouns.
19:04:29 <ehird`> and "hir" and all of those are just ridiculous
19:04:44 <lament> yes, i don't think singular "they" is appropriate with a specific person name
19:04:58 <lament> "I was talking to my mother, and they told me..."
19:05:09 <ehird`> "Blah-blah walked to the store. They bought a dollar for two dollars."
19:05:24 <bsmntbombdood> lololo
19:05:29 <ehird`> "Blah-blah was walking to the store, when they bought a dollar for two dollars"
19:05:30 <ehird`> hmm
19:05:32 <ehird`> you might be right
19:05:33 <bsmntbombdood> exchanging a laptop for a prostate massage
19:12:06 <lament> good for you
19:16:37 <RodgerTheGreat> I think the medical community should encourage self-treppanation. With a little luck, all the morons will kill themselves with electric drills! http://www.bmezine.com/news/people/A10101/trepan/
19:19:02 <bsmntbombdood> darn, bmezine is blocked here
19:19:51 <RodgerTheGreat> basically a guy who rants about the benefits of treppanation- " I read about the supposed de-conditioning properties. I read about more parts of the brain working simultaneously as there would be more blood up there to help this happen. The arguments for it all seemed to be quite lengthy, quite detailed, thought out and researched, and very intelligent."
19:20:04 <RodgerTheGreat> and then does it in his own home
19:20:20 <RodgerTheGreat> and then writes diary entries about the "new sensations" he feels
19:20:45 <ehird`> RodgerTheGreat: what the fuck.
19:20:46 <RodgerTheGreat> and then months later reflects and realizes it was probably due to the placebo effect
19:21:54 <RodgerTheGreat> overall, pretty funny stuff
19:22:04 <ehird`> RodgerTheGreat: are people really this retarded?
19:22:13 <bsmntbombdood> wouldn't you have to fuck with the brain and not just the skull to do that
19:22:24 * bsmntbombdood is reading it 
19:22:29 <RodgerTheGreat> I like how it never occurs to him that he could have easily pithed himself or contracted a fatal meningitis infection.
19:22:47 <RodgerTheGreat> ehird`: it appears so
19:22:48 <ehird`> i have a headache right now, maybe if my brain could breathe the outside air it would go away
19:22:53 <ehird`> brb, going to smash open my skull
19:22:54 <RodgerTheGreat> lol
19:23:25 <RodgerTheGreat> I also love the "most ancient form of surgery -> most effective kind of surgery!" logic
19:23:45 <RodgerTheGreat> surely if they did it in ancient times, it must be a good idea and safe medical practice!
19:24:00 <ehird`> that's why acupuncture is still listened two
19:24:05 <ehird`> "THEY WERE IN TUNE WITH THE FORCES"
19:24:08 <bsmntbombdood> jeez, stop using words i have to look up
19:24:16 <ehird`> even though they didn't know blood flowed around the body
19:24:23 <ehird`> bsmntbombdood: you don't know what acupuncture is?
19:24:42 <ehird`> bsmntbombdood: brought to you by the same kooks that brought you homeopathy: well, no, it was the Chinese. But still.
19:25:12 <bsmntbombdood> ehird`: no, trepan and pith
19:25:22 <ehird`> ah
19:25:57 <RodgerTheGreat> acupuncture has some demonstrable effects. It kinda works, but we have no idea why. Homeopathy is pointless and retarded, and does nothing in controlled experiments
19:26:32 <ehird`> acupuncture does not work
19:27:35 <lament> nice to see a well-reasoned argument between two experts in the field
19:27:46 <lament> oh wait.. you're both talking out of your ass
19:27:47 <RodgerTheGreat> well, it sure as hell doesn't "realign your chi"
19:28:10 <ehird`> lament: wait, we're both talking out of our asses... acupuncture is quantum? it simultaneously works and doesn't work?
19:28:33 <RodgerTheGreat> I think he just did the equivalent of a [citation needed] on both of us
19:28:38 <RodgerTheGreat> which is a good damn point
19:28:55 <ehird`>  /nick ehird`[citation needed]
19:29:01 <lament> ehird`: i don't know if it works or not. I never researched the subject.
19:29:30 <ehird`> lament: they stick incredibly thin needles into your body.
19:30:02 <ehird`> that by itself is just crazy and leads me to believe it wouldn't work; but i have done some minor research and my belief has been reaffirmed
19:31:04 <ehird`> RodgerTheGreat: this treppanation article is making me feel sick :/
19:31:06 <RodgerTheGreat> alright, let me clarify my arguments here- acupuncture is a rather expansive topic
19:31:53 <lament> ehird`: what about traditional medicine? They make you swallow little round things.
19:32:22 <lament> and that's somehow supposed to make you get better?
19:32:25 <ehird`> lament: except that's a really vague definition, whereas the above is a pretty accurate description of acupuncture
19:33:04 <RodgerTheGreat> specifically, clinical trials have shown that acupuncture has some success at pain relief, and works at least better than no treatment or a placebo.
19:33:08 <RodgerTheGreat> http://www.cochrane.org/reviews/en/ab001351.html
19:33:58 <lament> ehird`: a pretty accurate description of medical drugs is "they feed you tiny amounts of chemicals".
19:34:09 <bsmntbombdood> jeebus
19:34:17 <lament> as opposed to "they stick incredibly thin needles into your body"
19:34:24 <lament> i can't decide which one sounds more looney
19:34:48 <ehird`> lament: so, what do you do when you get ill, exactly?
19:35:41 <lament> spend too much time on IRC
19:35:55 <ehird`> that actually sounds pretty reasonable
19:36:03 <ehird`> let's set up a foundation
19:38:52 <RodgerTheGreat> bbl folks
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20:25:52 <oklopol> attitude cures sicknesses, not medicine
20:26:19 <ehird`> oklopol: i hope you realise we are joking :-)
20:26:37 <oklopol> of course, like anyone would believe drugs help people
20:26:49 <ehird`> heh
20:27:16 <oklopol> this is part of my newly-found "i do not believe in X" philosophy
20:27:23 <oklopol> X
20:27:26 <oklopol> is a var there
20:27:27 <oklopol> of course
20:27:42 <ehird`> oklopol: apply that to ~(P&~P)
20:27:51 <ehird`> mwahaha! I have broken your logic!
20:27:56 <ehird`> unless you don't believe in logic.
20:28:06 <ehird`> in which case, i claim that "I do not believe in X" philosophy is false!
20:28:13 <ehird`> And you cannot argue, since P&~P can be true!
20:28:25 <oklopol> i do believe in logic, i just don't believe i applied that right.
20:28:34 <oklopol> when asserting that proposition
20:28:36 <oklopol> err
20:28:38 <oklopol> interpreting
20:28:40 <oklopol> whatever
20:28:46 <oklopol> something, anyway.
20:30:09 <oklopol> that is by its very nature a very paradoxical philosophy, i have to live with that
20:30:30 <oklopol> hmm... i feel like a family guy
20:36:47 <g4lt-mordant> you look like stewie though
20:39:20 <oklopol> i have no idea what the kid says half the time
20:39:25 <oklopol> wish i knew english...
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