00:25:59 -!- ehird` has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 00:28:14 -!- pikhq has quit (Remote closed the connection). 00:28:26 -!- pikhq has joined. 00:54:52 -!- SEO_DUDE38 has joined. 01:05:49 -!- pikhq has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 01:09:29 -!- pikhq has joined. 01:34:15 -!- sebbu has quit ("@+"). 03:25:22 -!- puzzlet has quit (Client Quit). 03:52:00 -!- poiuy_qwert has joined. 03:55:07 -!- GreaseMonkey has joined. 04:05:34 -!- poiuy_qwert has quit. 04:29:04 -!- immibis has joined. 04:29:51 ?????does anyone else see F at the front of this text or the end? ?dne eht ro txet siht fo tnorf eht ta F ees esle enoyna seod FFF 04:32:05 yes. 04:32:14 front or back? 04:32:26 three F's i mean (FFF) 04:32:32 end 04:32:39 i see five question marks, the sentences, and FFF at the end. 04:32:40 question marks at the front 04:32:44 yes 04:32:58 irssi is a text client? probably thats why not. 04:33:39 i pasted the unicode-control-characters-for-right-to-left-that-were-in-front-of-the-cyrillic-combining-millions-sign-that-someone-put-control-characters-in-front-of-to-reverse-text. 04:34:24 cyrillic combining millions sign? 04:34:26 I do believe that it's my terminal that's fucking that up, not irssi. 04:34:37 In theory, my terminal does Unicode. 04:34:41 commas in a circle. 04:34:45 -!- EgoBotsClone has joined. 04:34:46 In practice, it doesn't do that. ;) 04:35:05 or maybe icechat didn't like it, and actually sent question marks to the channel instead of the control codes. 04:35:08 !raw nick toboge 04:35:09 -!- EgoBotsClone has changed nick to toboge. 04:36:22 !binascii 11100010 01000000 10101110 00100010 00100011 00100100 04:36:23 â@®"#$ 04:36:26 Huh? 04:36:28 ? 04:36:56 that *was* the binary utf-8 encoding, right? 04:38:39 hexadecimal utf-8 encoding is E2 80 AE D2 89 04:39:48 !binascii 11100010 10000000 10101110 11010010 10001001 04:39:49 ‮҉ 04:39:50 Huh? 04:40:31 hmm...icechat doesn't appear to do utf-8. 04:43:28 does anyone else see a circle of commas? 04:52:19 ?testing 04:52:29 !binascii 11010010 10001001 04:52:30 Ò‰ 04:52:32 Huh? 04:52:43 * immibis evidently needs to use another client 04:55:24 toboge, :þ 04:55:38 i can't see that unicode character. what is it? 04:55:54 immibis, it's a circle of dots 04:56:00 ok. 04:57:24 !binascii 11100010 10000000 10101110 11010010 10001001 04:57:24 ‮҉ 04:57:26 Huh? 04:57:52 !binascii 11100010 10000000 10101110 11010010 10001001 00100001 00100010 00100011 00100100 00100101 00100110 00100111 00101000 00101001 04:57:52 ‮҉!"#$%&'() 04:57:54 Huh? 04:58:30 !binascii 11100010 10000000 10101110 11010010 10001001 00110001 00110010 00110011 00110100 00110101 00110110 00110111 00111000 00111001 04:58:31 ‮҉123456789 04:58:34 Huh? 05:24:29 ‮҉ coolest char ever 05:24:34 whoops :P 05:24:57 it's 2. right-to-left override and combining-cyrillic-millions-sign 05:24:57 -!- immibis has quit ("Hi, I'm a quit message virus. 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14:45:28 the terrible part was the if(TRUE)s.. which were MY fault 14:45:29 nop 14:45:38 if (TRUE) will be a nop if your compiler doesn't optimize 14:45:44 Because I was too lazy to unindent 14:45:45 its multithreaded, gl code, so nops are useful 14:46:06 And didn't realize that Shift-Tab, in fact, worked, if lines were selected 14:46:10 Nothing to do with nops 14:54:39 http://stupidfilter.org/wiki/ best software project of 2007 14:54:48 i mean, it filters stupid things! rock. 14:55:00 http://stupidfilter.org/random.php random stupidity from their database. 15:15:32 * oklopol has made the most verbose truth table generator ever: http://www.vjn.fi/pb/p443156611.txt 15:15:42 oh 15:15:46 sorry, that's not it :) 15:15:59 http://www.vjn.fi/pb/p356232664.txt 15:16:12 heh 15:16:18 for (-q&p)|(q&-r) that is :P 15:16:23 -!- pikhq has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 15:16:30 - = not? 15:16:48 with more variables the "verbose" mode is quite a flood... 15:16:49 P and Q should be uppercase! :P 15:16:50 yeah 15:17:03 that should be (~Q&P)|(Q&~R) 15:17:08 i guess that might be nicer 15:17:18 i'll make ~ an optional negation 15:17:29 maybe even <> instead of (), but that's only because I've been reading Godel, Escher, Bach, which uses it 15:17:37 <~Q&P>| 15:17:39 err wait 15:17:40 i would've done ^ and v, but v is a letter... 15:17:40 that's 15:17:43 <<~Q&P>|> 15:17:56 i love < and > as parens 15:18:19 <<<>> <<>>> 15:18:22 in GEB's Propositional Logic notation, and thus TNT, & and | must be encoded in brackets 15:18:25 X&Y -> NO 15:18:30 -> YES 15:18:37 this makes parsing it trivial, of cours 15:18:44 err why? 15:18:46 oh 15:18:51 because no infix ambiguousness 15:18:52 you mean X&Y&Z is illegal? 15:18:55 yeah 15:18:59 that's <&Z> 15:19:03 well then it does, true 15:19:14 its notable because it can be implemented as typographical substitution rules 15:19:20 but i kinda already made the parser, so... i don't feel like wasting it! :D 15:19:34 hmm, i see 15:20:06 dunno what to use for => though 15:20:08 since > is a bracket 15:20:14 well, i just made that for school, we have to make a lot of tables, and i'm not going to do that manually, no matter how much the teacher cries. 15:20:17 in the book its a glyph 15:20:29 you can just do greedy tokenizing 15:20:36 but it can be pretty confusing 15:20:48 well, luckily = is no operator 15:20:56 <=>> 15:21:04 err... that's illegal anyway :) 15:21:20 = doesn't mean imply 15:21:22 = means equals 15:21:46 oh well, hooray for unicode: 15:22:50 <<~Q&P>⇒~> 15:23:04 "not Q and P implies P does not imply Q" 15:23:07 i have no idea what your point was 15:23:14 @ that equals thing 15:23:19 meh 15:23:21 ah 15:23:24 equivalence? 15:23:27 i'm using <=> 15:23:40 <=> is not in propositional logic... 15:23:50 afaik 15:23:51 ... 15:24:01 it's just an arbitrary binary operator 15:24:08 alright 15:24:15 oh, i forgot, GEB doesn't use & and | 15:24:18 you can use any operator that has to do with bits 15:24:29 i mean, any F bool bool -> bool 15:24:40 random notation there... 15:24:44 but anyways 15:24:49 <<~Q∧P>⇒~> 15:25:01 (∧ = and, ∨ = or in TNT) 15:25:09 hmm... python prolly knows unicode 15:25:10 ? 15:25:24 i could have those there optionally too 15:25:29 interestingly, iirc it does not use ¬ for negation, but ~ 15:25:30 also 15:25:35 note that ^ is not ∧ 15:25:40 and v is not ∨ 15:25:42 i see a lot of boxes. 15:25:49 pff 15:25:51 get a unicode client 15:25:55 :D 15:26:00 hmm 15:26:04 rewrite the sentence replacing boxes with [] 15:26:06 and send it over 15:26:11 so i can point you to what symbls those are 15:26:30 -!- tokigun has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 15:26:46 all except the negation symbol 15:26:50 ¬ i see 15:27:04 <<~Q∧P>⇒~> i don't see these though 15:27:04 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematical_symbols logical conjunction for the ^ one 15:27:10 logical disjunction for the v one 15:27:18 i was saying that they are not the same, although they look alike 15:27:21 they are unicode symbols 15:27:39 Alternatively: set your client to utf-8 15:27:43 yay more boxes! 15:27:46 wtf 15:27:50 this time in the browser1 15:27:52 get a browser that doesn't suck 15:27:55 :DD 15:28:02 what are you using, lynx?! 15:28:05 i'll try, wait 15:28:07 heck i think lynx supports unicode 15:28:17 ie is the default 15:28:23 why are you using ie 15:29:06 it's the default 15:29:18 that's a good reason? 15:30:08 i don't eften have to see unicode characters -> easier to let it be the default. 15:30:12 *often 15:30:19 IE sucks in more ways than unicode 15:30:30 i see. 15:30:55 seriously, IE is not a reasonable choice in this age 15:31:27 err... okay 15:31:36 i don't see why, but i believe you 15:32:17 i won't use firefox before i see one reason myself, though, unless you make it my default browser 15:32:26 or someone else, i'm not gonna. 15:32:50 i use safari on my mac 15:32:52 opera on my pc 15:33:01 mozilla does not use my default font for the url bar, why? 15:33:11 yes it does? 15:33:34 i see, well, perhaps i've chosen a bad font by accident, and ie just happens to know what i like :) 15:33:42 i have not touched any options. 15:34:25 anyways, i do not care at all which browser i'm using, as far as i'm conserned, they all suck ass. 15:34:31 *concerned 15:34:48 you think everything sucks ass, though 15:34:53 especially if anything is - god forbid - open source 15:35:08 i see 15:35:15 i agree with the first one 15:35:27 "everything sucks" is a good starting point 15:35:36 no, not really 15:35:53 it is, and really, let's not discuss this, i do not care for this stuff 15:36:14 you started the conversation... i think 15:36:18 nope 15:36:19 you did 15:36:22 well 15:36:40 of course i should've known i can't mention i have IE without starting one ;) 15:37:26 (17:29:04) (oklopol) it's the default 15:37:26 (17:29:16) (ehird`) that's a good reason? 15:37:28 about this 15:37:42 it's not a good reason, but there doesn't need to be one, the browsers are the same. 15:37:48 there's no crucial difference 15:37:56 i guess i'm starting now, though :P 15:37:58 sorry about that 15:38:28 there IS a crucial difference 15:38:30 the rendering engine 15:38:32 i'll get back to coding, there's still some stuff i need to add to that thingie... 15:38:35 hmm 15:38:43 whuz that? 15:38:51 ah 15:39:20 you mean the thingie that chooses the location of different objects on a page? 15:39:23 if you don't know what a rendering engine is then don't say "well they're basically the same" because you don't know anything about browsers 15:39:36 it's the thing that turns the parse tree into the page. 15:39:41 it is EVERYTHING to a browser 15:39:46 well i know what it is then. 15:39:55 IE's is broken, breaks the spec in about 10,000 ways, and has lovely little microsoftisms 15:40:06 gecko (mozilla's) isn't perfect, but it's far better than that 15:40:20 well it may be bad, i've never seen it fail though 15:40:24 webkit (apple's open source engine, descended from KHTML (konqueror's)) is probably the best around 15:40:34 and you have't seen it fail because web developers have to prance around until IE accepts it 15:40:39 its a mess 15:41:05 trues, i've made a few pages myself (very few) 15:41:10 hell getting ie to work 15:41:39 okay, you win, i do agree that's a good reason to use a better browser, in theory. 15:41:54 also, i think piracy is wrong 15:42:00 much more than that browser thing 15:42:05 but i do it anyway 15:42:17 i'll start using firefox right after i stop piracy 15:42:25 good deal? 15:42:49 i don't do much with either 15:42:50 though 15:43:58 s/i stop piracy/i stop doing piracy 15:44:51 has anyone set Tkinter up for Python CE? 15:44:58 or some other graphics library 15:45:01 hmm, #python! 15:53:43 -!- pikhq has joined. 15:54:06 -!- RedDak has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)). 16:04:59 -!- sebbu has joined. 16:11:07 -!- puzzlet_ has joined. 16:11:07 -!- puzzlet has quit (Remote closed the connection). 16:20:15 -!- jix has joined. 16:43:01 programming with postscript is fun. 16:43:04 http://www.nonlogic.org/dump/text/1192030960.html 16:43:16 not nearly as fun as SYNTAXLESS! 16:43:41 I beg to differ. PostScript is pretty fuckin' sweet 16:43:59 syntaxless has no syntax! 16:44:12 it's like forth, but it has lambdas 16:44:12 postscript has awesome syntax! 16:44:15 and it's cooler 16:44:23 it's like forth but... yeah. like forth. 16:44:40 forth doesn't have lambdas 16:44:47 :UNNAMED does not count 16:45:05 :UNNAMED is some sick smiley 16:45:28 well i guess that could be a beard 16:45:31 it's :U with a very long neck made of an accordian 16:45:42 ah, that's more likely, true 16:45:55 jack-in-a-box man! 16:46:10 i have to reboot, nothing works :<< 16:46:15 evidently irc does 16:46:30 well yeah, it always works 16:46:48 lol- I just realized a downside to coding in postscript- it's a little bit of a trick to print out your sourcecode 16:47:16 RodgerTheGreat: SEE ME 16:47:18 oh wait, that's forth :P 16:47:36 : QUINE SEE ME ; has to be the funniest bit of code ever 16:47:56 forth has really nifty ideas, but I find the syntax rather ugly. Postscript has very pretty syntax 16:48:05 syntaxless is tons of fun 16:48:11 [ ... ] is a lambda, but that's not syntax :P 16:48:27 [ is just an operator which does some internal tricks 16:48:29 ] resets them 16:48:41 you can bind lambdas to names to make them operators 16:48:54 [ 2 + ] ' addtwo bind 16:49:00 then you can do 2 addtwo and get 4 on the stack 16:49:07 you can get the lambda bound to an operator with \ 16:49:10 if there can be a program, there must be a syntax 16:49:14 \ addtwo gets you what [ 2 + ] would 16:49:27 ! calls the lambda on the stack 16:49:28 nesting is not required for "having a syntax" 16:49:30 Huh? 16:49:40 2 \ addtwo ! is the same as 2 addtwo 16:50:00 oklopol: well, it kind of has a syntax 16:50:09 oklopol: it has a LEXICAL syntax, but not any more layers of syntax 16:50:20 for a while i thought you were pasting that, but i guess it was just your fast fingers :) 16:50:28 the lexical syntax simply says that words are seperated by whitespace 16:50:29 now that i look at the irregular time tags 16:50:30 and that's it 16:50:42 heh, my fast fingers 16:50:42 :P 16:51:07 bbl folks 16:51:12 bhye 16:51:16 bye 16:51:16 :) 16:51:22 (%&%#$ ungodly boring statistics class) 16:51:37 oklopol: i'll write a short program in syntaxless 16:52:36 i'll read it if it's less than a page 16:53:17 http://nonlogic.org/dump/text/1192031591.html 16:53:20 that outputs: 16:53:23 I say: Hello, world! 16:53:29 reboot now, i'll read teh logz 16:53:33 soon back 16:53:37 -!- oklopol has quit ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )"). 17:06:39 he's taking awhile 17:07:42 -!- oklopol has joined. 17:10:05 wb 17:10:07 oklopol: http://nonlogic.org/dump/text/1192031661.html 17:10:10 another program 17:10:16 should give you a general feel of syntaxless 17:10:26 err 17:10:29 wait 17:10:31 that's wrong 17:10:31 let me fix it 17:10:45 http://nonlogic.org/dump/text/1192032638.html fixed version 17:10:51 should give you a general feel of syntaxless. 17:11:37 is . catenation? 17:11:49 no 17:11:51 output 17:11:54 like forths output 17:11:58 basically: 17:12:08 . pops a string off the stack and dumps it to stdout 17:12:31 of course it'll be defined something like: [ STDOUT file. ] ' . bind 17:12:37 ', of course, quotes a name 17:12:58 ah of course 17:13:15 the . . might be confusing 17:13:16 it's: 17:13:19 " Hello, " . . 17:13:23 " Hello, " . . " !" <<< this is just how you might do the catenation with your other language 17:13:29 if . was catenation. 17:13:29 if the stack is " world" greet: 17:13:38 " world" " Hello, " 17:13:38 i know stack-based programming :) 17:13:41 :P 17:13:42 alright 17:13:48 it's just confused some stack-based programmers 17:13:50 -!- [1]shava has joined. 17:13:54 possibly not very good ones, hehe 17:14:06 -!- [1]shava has left (?). 17:14:44 my first language was stack-based, after that i've considered it too trivial; now that i've realized parsing is actually pretty easy, i might start making stack-based languages again 17:15:02 syntaxless does not really involve any parsing 17:15:10 well yeah, i know 17:15:15 it has one measly, tiny rule of lexical analysis that is so minimal you could barely call it a rule 17:15:18 :-) 17:15:27 that was a completely off-topic sentence :) 17:15:34 split(" ") 17:15:45 well, no, that doesn't listen to tabs and newlines 17:16:03 don't you just love it when you make a logger bot, and it logs for 9 days and then suddenly doesn't :D 17:16:12 ah trues 17:17:50 okay, what's \? 17:17:52 "\" 17:18:06 now that i actually read it through :P 17:18:20 \ is an operator that reads a word forward and returns the lambda that is bound to the operator named by the word 17:18:32 so, if you have [ X ] ' Y bind, \ Y returns [ X ] 17:18:45 basically it's how you pass around functions as arguments. 17:18:48 err, operators 17:19:02 because, of course, greet-world say would call greet-world then call say 17:19:14 \ greet-world say puts greet-world's lambda on the stack and calls say 17:19:52 i see 17:19:57 what calls greet-world? 17:21:31 say 17:21:40 ! calls a lambda on the stack 17:21:42 Huh? 17:21:46 here, i'll step-by-step it in a paste 17:23:25 http://nonlogic.org/dump/text/1192033400.html 17:23:39 x {...} is "x ran, and produced this subtree" 17:23:49 x : y is "x ran, and made the stack y" 17:30:23 -!- puzzlet has joined. 17:31:08 -!- puzzlet_ has quit (Remote closed the connection). 17:31:27 oklopol: you get it now? :) 17:39:12 okpop 17:39:18 heh 17:40:09 -!- tokigun has joined. 17:41:25 -!- bsmntbom1dood has changed nick to bsmntbombdood. 17:43:45 so it's automatically run at the end of the program? 17:43:52 of course... 17:43:54 it's just code. 17:44:28 well, if you push a lambda, it's not obvious to me it will be executed automatically at the end of the program 17:45:03 it doesn't 17:45:08 \ greet-world say 17:45:14 \ greet-world (Pushes lambda) 17:45:15 say (Calls say) 17:46:30 ah sorry, i thought the exclamation mark in the other lambda is a string too 17:46:40 [ " Hello, " . . " !" . ] ' greet bind 17:46:40 [ " I say: " . ! . ] ' say bind 17:46:45 reading is hard. 17:46:56 ! is an operator 17:47:00 Huh? 17:47:04 it calls the lambda on the top of the stack 17:47:12 > let x ? y = x+y; infixr 5 ? in 2 ? 3 17:47:25 oerjan: /q lambdabot 17:47:44 oerjan: pay me 5000e and i'll kill him for you 17:48:12 (not ehird`) 17:48:22 I was about to say 17:48:22 :P 17:48:36 * oerjan assumes oklopol is referring to Mr. Wong 17:48:43 yes, precisely 17:49:51 that chinese bastard has gone too far 17:50:31 * ehird` is confused 17:51:10 Mr. Wong Chan-Nel 17:57:16 "...Unix. 17:57:16 Or should that be, *n?x. Nope, doesn't include AIX -- lessee, *x. 17:57:16 Yep, *[Xx], the standard operating system." 17:57:34 Windox 18:23:53 ...? 18:24:12 *[Xx] doesn't include Solaris by the way :P 18:24:48 Nor BSD if you don't say "BSD UNIX" 18:29:46 Also, if I am to assume from "[Xx]" that this was supposed to be regex, that's a bad regex (can't start with a *) 18:30:15 Clearly you want something like /(.*[Xx]|BSD|Solaris)/ 18:32:20 its a shell glob 18:32:20 duh 18:32:22 *[Xx] 18:33:05 ls /OSes/*[Xx] 18:33:24 exactly 18:42:29 * ehird` thinks what other esoteric ground he should cover... 18:42:34 I have a kind-of-forth-alike, an APL-alike... 18:53:06 :) 19:01:11 i wonder if anyone ever made a brainfuck-derivative! 19:01:14 what a wacky thought. 19:01:22 bah, how boring 19:02:17 hmm... wonder if i should extend my logic library to solve simple constraint problems with a nicer syntax.... 19:02:37 do it! 19:02:45 blah 19:02:51 an AI might eventually grow out of it, or so Sam Hughes says ;) 19:03:52 FYB :P 19:04:43 fuck yor brane too! 19:05:10 random poll: how many bf-derivatives have you concocted? 19:05:14 * oklopol has done 5 19:05:31 0 19:05:32 well 19:05:33 1 19:05:34 jumpfuck 19:09:57 I think only the one. 19:10:03 Or at least, I recall only the one. 19:12:09 i made a "50 brainfuck derivatives" article once, had to invent 3 new 19:12:18 :P 19:12:21 wow 19:12:21 :P 19:12:32 the descriptions were very small. 19:12:48 it was fucking hard trying to understand all of them in one night :D 19:13:11 therefore i'm pretty sure most are wrong, luckily no one will most likely ever read the article 19:18:01 link? 19:18:13 :| 19:18:17 hmm, kay 19:18:35 it's so fulla typos i'm not even gonna start fixing them :D 19:19:41 http://www.vjn.fi/42.htm http://www.vjn.fi/44.htm http://www.vjn.fi/46.htm 19:19:56 if you can decipher any of that, i'm surprised. 19:20:14 it's in three parts, because i was lazy :P 19:21:38 i understand my own descriptions up to the level i could code in many of those, but oh my god that's a lot of typoes and bad grammar :D 19:26:59 hey, idea 19:27:24 making a self-consistent logic and arithmetic system, but that is crazy to intuition and is completely unlike standard logic/maths :) 19:28:26 what do you mean self-consistent? 19:28:39 well 19:28:45 i don't mean actually consistent 19:28:49 Godel has something to say about that 19:28:57 but, you know. not tons of contradictory axioms 19:29:17 contradictory axioms? 19:29:24 can you show me an example? 19:29:28 you know 19:29:33 like having P and ~P as axioms 19:30:00 err i know what it means 19:30:02 i mean 19:30:02 it could be consistent relative to some set theory more powerful than it 19:30:13 oerjan: sure, but you know what i mean 19:35:12 :-) 19:37:57 http://www.cs.uvm.edu/~jbongard/aestv2/index.php 19:37:58 -!- Cesque has joined. 19:41:16 Interesting. 19:41:28 They worked quite well for me. 19:41:38 -!- RedDak has joined. 19:47:35 yay job yay job yay job 19:48:24 jay yob 19:48:33 Soon enough you'll be saying "This job sucks this job sucks (but at least it gets me paid)" 19:49:07 Well, the company seems rather nice 19:49:25 that's what they said about microsfot 19:49:59 has anyone read Salo? 19:50:02 * GregorR high-fives ehird` for his favorite tpyo. 19:50:05 heh 19:50:08 (Pseudo-tpyo) 19:50:19 I lvoe tpyos, tehy aer fnu 19:50:39 they are in 0xF0RD and are full of smart uni grads and make software that is cool AFAICT 19:50:53 they have 23 people and a table-football table 19:51:10 oklopol: define "salo" 19:51:20 They're such a good company, they can make 'R' a hexadecimal digit? 19:51:37 The 120 Days of Sodomy 19:51:56 the movie was great, was wondering if the book is as good :P 19:52:08 >_O 19:52:13 GregorR: well, Oxford (England) looks almost like a hex number 19:52:38 oklopol: WTF I say, WTF. 19:52:51 * oklopol needs to find a separate esoteric sex channel xD 19:53:15 but check it out, great movie 19:54:13 hehe, for a minute i thought someone had said something on #lolcode 19:54:25 why are you in #lolcode, that is the question 19:54:26 but i just pressed #lojban by accident 19:54:39 i'm usually on channels that have been mentioned in my presence 19:55:05 hmm 19:55:05 if i don't reboot for a while, i might make the channel a "favorite", and always autojoin is 19:55:06 *it 19:55:12 who wants to try that crazy maths/logic system thing? 19:55:15 -!- jix has quit (Nick collision from services.). 19:55:25 -!- jix has joined. 19:57:40 -!- Cesque has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 20:01:02 I just got the "Java Developer" job from here: http://www.decisionsoft.com/jobs.html 20:01:05 24k GBP 20:01:25 they're drunk on xml :o 20:04:44 -!- Cesque has joined. 20:08:52 hi Cesque 20:09:02 hi 20:09:11 you new or passing? 20:09:23 or old and formerly invisible? 20:09:30 new 20:09:46 i probably won't say much 20:09:49 -!- RedDak has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)). 20:09:51 NONSENSE 20:09:53 YOU MUST SPEAK FOREVER 20:09:56 lol 20:10:01 a lot of new people here right now, weird :| 20:10:15 Cesque, goffrie, Nucleo i guess 20:10:32 so... not that much. 20:10:35 lol 20:10:47 aren't I new? 20:10:48 >:P 20:10:55 you're old as hell 20:11:02 no... 20:11:11 i arrived here earlier this year 20:11:13 not that earlier either 20:11:15 a few months 20:11:34 you're about as old as me, and that's what i'm comparing with 20:11:35 :P 20:11:41 yeah, but that's still enough to become known 20:11:42 so... as old as possible. 20:11:58 am I lim(x->inf) of age? :P 20:12:32 hmm... in case they invent eternal life, aren't we all 20:12:57 "On average, the 30 models guessed 51.8519% of your choices correctly with a standard deviation of 4.6731." 20:13:00 :-S 20:13:11 I am les predictable that most 20:13:19 you picked using random numbers 20:13:19 :P 20:13:38 oklopol, don't mind me... 20:14:01 i won't, zuzu_ has been here for ages, and i'm pretty sure it's a bot ;) 20:14:28 no, i tried to choose the one that looks "nicer" 20:14:37 is that a public test? 20:14:40 *pubic 20:14:40 yes 20:14:44 it's doing some sort of research 20:14:46 it's on reddit 20:14:47 * oklopol wanna try! 20:14:49 i found it interesting 20:14:56 oklopol: just click Continue or whatever 20:15:07 @ reddit? 20:15:12 even if you are under 18, just click the "yes, over" link and put your real age in the Age: field 20:15:15 it allows it 20:15:19 oklopol: ? 20:15:21 i'm SO 18 20:15:21 reddit = reddit.com 20:15:27 hehe 20:15:31 i was saying it for the benefit of anyone else in here 20:16:19 now for the benefit of a certain idiot: where do i press Continue :) 20:16:24 (I think I ended up pickeing the more "regular" one in each case) 20:16:33 oklopol: Step 2. 20:16:37 It's to the right of step 1. 20:16:52 "step"? 20:16:53 WetRiffs.com (the site I mentioned/set up in xkcd #305) now has guitar-in-shower submissions up. (Gallery is NSFW) (wetriffs.com) 20:16:54 this one? 20:16:58 no? 20:17:00 :P 20:17:18 i see no "steps" on reddit.com 20:17:22 #75 20:17:26 oh 20:17:37 * SimonRC fwaps oklopol 20:17:39 on the page, [1] 20:17:45 click Begin Experiment 20:17:45 :P 20:17:49 profit 20:18:09 75. :The New Nostradamus - Can a fringe branch of mathematics forecast the future? 20:18:12 i give up 20:18:16 browsing is too hard 20:18:25 http://www.cs.uvm.edu/~jbongard/aestv2/http://www.cs.uvm.edu/~jbongard/aestv2/http://www.cs.uvm.edu/~jbongard/aestv2/http://www.cs.uvm.edu/~jbongard/aestv2/http://www.cs.uvm.edu/~jbongard/aestv2/http://www.cs.uvm.edu/~jbongard/aestv2/http://www.cs.uvm.edu/~jbongard/aestv2/http://www.cs.uvm.edu/~jbongard/aestv2/http://www.cs.uvm.edu/~jbongard/aestv2/http://www.cs.uvm.edu/~jbongard/aestv2/http://www.cs.uvm.edu/~jbongard/aestv2/http://www.cs 20:18:29 i have linked that twice 20:18:52 oh 20:18:55 i missed that link 20:18:56 sorry 20:19:11 was wondering what you were referring to on the next line :D 20:26:34 On average, they guessed 55.4815% correct with a standard deviation of 3.008. 20:26:47 pff 20:26:49 maybe i'm predictable 20:26:52 i got over 60% 20:26:55 64% iirc 20:27:26 i just always chose the cuter duck 20:27:35 ... duck? :P 20:27:48 well, yes :D 20:29:15 i'm pretty sure i was choosing the cuter one, but a part of me wanted to be as predictable as possible since SimonRC made it sound a good thing :P 20:29:21 *unpredictable 20:29:31 i'm not sure if i managed to avoid that 20:29:33 foo 20:29:42 if you are just being unpredictable on purpose 20:29:46 you're basically trashing the research results 20:29:47 might've been more predictable if i'd had no idea what it was. 20:29:51 putty needs to look more like a web browser 20:29:56 bsmntbombdood: um why 20:30:20 i'm was not being unpredictable on purpose, but i'm not sure i managed to be as predictable as i really would've been 20:30:42 naturally given 90 choises, i'd choose a simple criteria and use that. 20:31:33 well not naturally, probably. 20:32:06 you are just meant to choose whichever is more aesthetically pleasing to you 20:32:16 like just pressing the shorter one, that would be even clearer trashing of the experiment, now i at least tried to take a "nice" one 20:33:07 the problem is i have no idea what "pleases me aesthetically" 20:33:16 whichever you like more 20:33:23 whichever you think is nicer 20:33:55 the problem is i'll just choose which looks better 20:34:18 that#s the point 20:34:22 i mean 20:34:35 i'll just choose an arbitrary criteria, i'm pretty sure 20:34:48 don't even TIHNK about criteria 20:34:55 some of those definately look nice 20:35:03 but most of them are... blobs 20:35:13 so i just choose a random one 20:35:27 i tried to force myself to think one of them is nicer than the other 20:35:58 but i don't think i'd actually do that, i'd choose either a random blob or just take a simple comparison routine and use that 20:36:16 hmm... why do we always end up discussing my bad qualities :PP 20:36:25 i'm gonna get me something to drink 20:36:43 i'll do that again, and reaaaally examine their beauty this time 20:37:06 you're just meant to pick as quick as possible 20:37:10 oh 20:37:11 hmm 20:37:13 split decision, "which is better/nicer?" 20:37:25 since you're oklopol, just choose the one you would most like to have sex with. 20:37:26 it's to analyze what aestheticness really is 20:37:33 oerjan: this would probably work. 20:37:36 except i'll start wondering what the AI is thinking at about the third pic... 20:37:50 and analyzing my own choises 20:37:52 hey 20:37:55 fun idea :D 20:37:57 i'll do that 20:39:35 meh, the page doesn't wanna load again 20:39:38 oh 20:39:40 now it did 20:41:45 -!- Cesque has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 20:41:47 -!- Cesque2 has joined. 20:42:48 hmm, to be honest, it's quite confusing trying to get an erection over trivial 3d-models 20:43:03 -!- Cesque2 has left (?). 20:43:04 i might have to qdb that 20:43:07 xD 20:43:14 too much to cesque :) 20:43:16 *or 20:43:18 *for 20:43:31 heh 20:43:34 oh 20:43:46 *-oh 20:44:11 i guess i'm a bit relieved it's not working for me 20:44:51 -!- Cesque2 has joined. 20:45:19 * oerjan has clearly underestimated oklopol 20:45:42 :D 20:45:45 in what sense? 20:45:53 Apparently I choose bizarre abstract forms based on shape rather than color or brightness :P 20:46:05 ditto 20:46:29 can you really choose those without keeping track of your preferences yourself: | 20:46:39 um yes 20:46:46 wish i could 20:46:48 seriously what is wrong with you, i just chose which one i preferred 20:46:52 continuing the thing -> 20:46:57 i don't know 20:47:01 now maybe i wouldn't have made the suggestion if i had any idea what kind of pictures they were... 20:47:30 I just stared at the middle and then chose the one my eyes were drawn to. 20:51:39 -!- goffrie has quit ("Leaving."). 20:52:33 i got kicked out of class >_< 20:52:41 why? 20:52:42 congrats 20:52:52 On average, they guessed 55.6296% correct with a standard deviation of 1.9444. 20:52:54 hmm... 20:52:57 what was my previous :| 20:53:05 55 20:53:29 55.48 20:53:30 for being a dick to the teacher and then not doing the work i was supposed to 20:53:41 what's being a dick in this case? 20:53:56 ridiculing the activity 20:53:57 a dick in this case? 20:53:58 bsmntbombdood: well that's not very nice 20:53:59 i don't want to know 20:54:06 please keep the case away from me 20:54:12 i was kicked out once for telling a teacher a math problem was unsolvable 20:54:25 oklopol: and then you promptly solved it? 20:55:12 errr no 20:55:25 she wanted me to do it, because everyone else did 20:55:25 ;) 20:55:33 what problem? 20:55:54 hmm 20:55:59 it was about 8 years ago 20:56:02 something about cows 20:56:04 :D 20:56:15 so how did anyone else solve it? 20:56:29 i think they used some pattern they'd learned in the class 20:56:36 i never did my homework 20:56:48 because i felt i didn't need to 20:56:49 so it WAS solvable 20:56:53 yeah :D 20:57:17 the teacher showed it to another teacher, and i was right, it was unsolvable 20:57:38 so how did they solve it 20:57:40 she came to me almost crying and told me i still should've done it and not humiliated her in front of the class. 20:57:41 I am also an imperial nudity spotter by nature. 20:57:56 1. Problem is unsolvable 20:57:56 2. Others solved problem 20:57:59 when i just seriously had no idea how to do it :D 20:57:59 mutually exclusive. 20:58:04 SimonRC: wait what? 20:58:33 ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Emperor's_New_Clothes ) 20:59:00 1. we were only taught a few basic techniques 2. the test was always about the last technique taught 3. most kids do math without having any idea about it, just doing random pattern matching with the numbers 20:59:18 they did not solve it right, it was unsolvable, they just guessed what the teacher had meant 20:59:30 i have long forgotten what the point was :P 20:59:36 oh right, outkickity. 21:01:02 outkickity? 21:01:17 the act or instance of being kicked out... ity 21:01:25 or something 21:01:35 i like bending words in an ugly way 21:06:28 outkickality 21:06:36 outal kickage 21:07:47 pyroalgolagnia 21:08:19 -!- pikhq has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 21:08:21 anderotinisaotamellililiphillicanosorophis 21:08:40 okokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokoko 21:09:23 if a teacher makes a mistake you notice one doesn't tell it after the lesson or so... 21:09:43 like that would be no fun 21:10:37 i wouldn't have said anything at all, it's just she wouldn't let me omit the assignment in a test since she wanted me to get a perfect score 21:11:06 bah 21:11:44 * jix likes to argue with teachers 21:11:54 luckily i have teachers that have no problem with that 21:11:54 yes 21:11:58 yup 21:12:09 * bsmntbombdood likes to fuck, eat, and kill teachers 21:12:10 i don't like arguing with anyone, it's just hard not to :D 21:12:13 hmm 21:12:15 except the ones who actually do want to get on with it and argue in their own time 21:12:18 i haven't done any of those :< 21:12:28 I mean, get on with the lesson now 21:14:29 > '\0o97' 21:14:36 hehe 21:14:44 oerjan: /q lambdabot 21:15:05 i'll make ololobot redirect oerjan to lambdabot soon :P 21:15:15 and bring it here, since it's down, i see 21:15:37 ehird`: i am actually in #haskell, demonstrating 21:15:46 well you're not in #esoteric 21:15:47 ;P 21:32:02 -!- jix has quit ("CommandQ"). 21:42:49 3 21:51:02 -!- Cesque2 has quit ("Leaving"). 22:08:06 * SimonRC goes to bed 22:47:17 -!- sebbu has quit ("@+"). 23:01:38 I wonder if there's a Unicode encoding with an "offset marker", so you can say "The following text is all offset by " 23:01:45 interesting 23:02:01 That would probably make encoding in any language smaller, since the offset of the first character in any given language is a constant. 23:03:07 e.g. Chinese would be reduced to the offset into the list of Chinese characters, which would generally fit into two bytes rather than three. 23:03:17 tyhat would be cool 23:03:19 how about extending unicode 23:03:20 :P 23:03:31 No need to extend Unicode, just make a new encoding ... 23:05:33 Seriously, this makes waaaaaaaaaay too much sense to not exist ... 23:05:45 I mean, how often are you switching between languages so quickly that you can't have a constant offset? 23:06:00 I guess one of the advantages of UTF-8 is that you can take any offset and not get invalid text ... 23:06:07 s/offset/subset/ 23:09:59 GregorR: well Latin-based languages are not always consecutive, since they're ASCII+another page. i don't know whether other scripts are. 23:10:39 :-) 23:11:01 oerjan: Oh, that's a good point. 23:11:52 I'm pretty sure that the languages that are more interesting for this (e.g. Chinese/Japanese/Korean) are more contiguous, but probably not entirely (e.g. Japanese is the Chinese alphabet) 23:12:06 place_word_here = kanji? 23:12:12 Sure! :P 23:14:23 alternatively, 漢字 23:14:34 for fun metaness 23:41:38 =) 23:42:42 (When nobody talks for a while, ehird` spontaneously produces an emoticon) 23:42:56 Error: I have been found out 23:43:05 Trying to reduce 3x levels of meta-irony... (76%) 23:43:14 Error. Abort, Retry, Fail? 23:44:16 Miserably. 23:45:17 Miserably, Retry, Fail? 23:45:42 what's the difference between abort and fail? 23:45:54 I don't actually know. 23:46:06 iirc, Abort continued your comand set 23:46:10 Fail stopped it all 23:46:55 i'm not sure 23:47:16 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abort,_Retry,_Fail%3F 23:47:20 The message would prompt the user to hit "A" to abort the operation, "R" to try reading the data again, or "F" to attempt to proceed without the necessary data. 23:52:52 -!- pikhq has joined.