00:02:56 <ehird`> haha perl regexp's are fun
00:03:04 <ehird`> matches palindromes: /^\W*(?:((.)\W*(?1)\W*\2|)|((.)\W*(?3)\W*\4|\W*.\W*))\W*$/i
00:03:15 <ehird`> matches a well-formed infix arithmetic expression: /^(\d+|\((?1)([+*-])(?1)\)|-(?1))$/
00:05:08 <bsmntbombdood> a cop talking about another cop who died: "i pride myself on being a logical man, but i can't figure out why he died. the only thing i can come up with is that god had some different plan for him."
00:05:22 <ehird`> so much for being a logical man
00:05:30 <ehird`> i love the "god has a plan for X" arguments
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00:08:01 <ehird`> (god has a special plan for YOUR MOM)
00:09:14 <oklopol> ehird`: i take it you're not too religious?
00:09:52 <ehird`> and also completely unspiritual
00:11:30 <GregorR> ... you can be atheist and spiritual?
00:11:46 <ehird`> GregorR: most new age-y people
00:12:05 <oklopol> i'm not sure what the exact meaning of "atheist" is
00:12:11 <ehird`> it works with both commonly used definitions of atheist: no god and no religious beliefs
00:12:26 <ehird`> the real definition of it is basically "no god"
00:12:32 <ehird`> however when i say i am an atheist
00:12:38 <ehird`> i imply that i'm not, say, a buddhist either
00:13:07 <ehird`> this is obvious because if i was a buddhist i'd be meditating over the meaning of the word "atheist" and not talking online ;)
00:13:28 <oklopol> i never believed in a god, sometimes i don't even believe in past
00:13:37 <oklopol> the present seems to exist
00:13:46 <ehird`> SomeGuyAtHome: /nick SomeCaptainObvious
00:13:58 <oklopol> well when people say things like "sixties"
00:13:59 <ehird`> bsmntbombdood: spotlight of time belief thing
00:14:08 <GregorR> What Gregor does instead of having silly religious debates is post this URL: http://www.codu.org/blog/?comment=20070628191650
00:14:09 <ehird`> "there is no time line, there is just the present, which morphs"
00:14:52 <ehird`> i'm an atheist because i don't claim myself to be a Santa Claus agnostic
00:14:55 <ehird`> nor a Tooth Fairy agnostic
00:15:03 <ehird`> indeed, not a Celestial Teapot agnostic
00:15:07 <ehird`> so why a God agnostic?
00:15:37 <ehird`> in my personal view, all are stories made up by humans
00:15:37 <GregorR> Because Santa Clause and the Tooth Fairy are defined within the scope of our universe, and are therefore things we can reason about.
00:15:37 <oklopol> hmm, i think i'm closer to GregorR in this one
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00:16:36 <ehird`> GregorR: santa claus travels at impossible speeds
00:16:43 <ehird`> and knows all about your personal life
00:16:49 <GregorR> ehird`: Hence why you don't believe in him.
00:16:53 <g4lt-mordant> I'm agnostic on santa claus and on the easter bunny too! you can't prove they're fake, that's my story and I'm sticking to it
00:16:56 <oklopol> well, perhaps it's more that i don't care about religion, what's the term for that?
00:17:04 <ehird`> GregorR: but that's not in the scope of our universe
00:17:07 <ehird`> GregorR: it's impossible
00:17:08 <GregorR> ehird`: He is defined as a component of this universe, but with properties you know to be nonsense.
00:17:16 <GregorR> ehird`: Hence, you disbelieve.
00:17:50 <ehird`> GregorR: same with god!
00:18:20 <GregorR> ehird`: God is not defined to be a component of the universe. Anything which could rationally be called a god must not only be beyond the scope of our universe, but beyond the scope of all universes.
00:18:53 <ehird`> GregorR: i just find no reason to be "undecided" on a fairy tale invented by humans thousands of years ago to control people
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00:19:28 <g4lt-mordant> bot of you are going to be surprised when ooga-booga the subsaharan god of reincarnation makes you into dung bettles!
00:19:31 <GregorR> ehird`: Oh, I certainly disbelieve in every individual god created by humans, I'm just saying that the concept is not something it's reasonable to believe or disbelieve in, since it's not something that can be rationalized.
00:19:52 <ehird`> besides, belief in a god becomes superflouous combined with my beliefs (which are not founded in believing in things that are unmeasurable...)
00:20:02 <ehird`> if there is no soul, heaven/hell is impossible
00:20:08 <ehird`> as there is no "you" to go up there
00:20:14 <ehird`> and i am pretty sure brains don't disappear from corpses
00:20:27 <GregorR> ehird`: You're focused on a very specific definition of religion
00:20:27 <ehird`> therefore, any god would be restricted to, oh, killing of people with lightning bolts
00:20:36 <ehird`> now, personally, i see no reason to believe in a god doing that
00:21:03 <ehird`> His/her/it/flooglebahs existence becomes unneccesary
00:21:09 <oklopol> ehird`: say this is a simulation on a 8-dimensional computer somewhere, your reasoning won't apply.
00:21:18 <GregorR> ehird`: Why can't there be a god that's just running some big simulation and doesn't give a fuck about us? We're just the chemical reactions in that simulation.
00:21:23 <GregorR> Damn, oklopol beat me to the punch.
00:21:38 <ehird`> in either case, belief in him becomes superflous
00:21:51 <ehird`> there's just no reason to believe in one, because nothing changes either way
00:22:04 <GregorR> Holding a disbelief is very different from just not believing.
00:22:33 <ehird`> sure, except once you know about something, and it's a "big" thing like belief in a diety is, you are basically forced into either belief or disbelief
00:23:04 <GregorR> You're allowed to acknowledge that you can't know.
00:23:21 <ehird`> sure, but as for the above reasons
00:23:32 <ehird`> i decide that heck, i don't have the energy to say "oh i don't know"
00:23:50 <ehird`> and because there are no implications, etc. i shall just live my life as if god does not exist
00:23:56 <ehird`> probably i'm right. but i'll never find out either way
00:24:34 <GregorR> You don't have the energy to hold no belief (a zero-energy situation), but you do have the energy to hold a negative belief (which ought to be based on evidence but is not)?
00:24:46 <g4lt-mordant> right, because next lifetime, you'll be a DUNG BEETLE and unable to think about it
00:25:01 <ehird`> g4lt-mordant: you give a convincing argument
00:25:51 <ehird`> GregorR: on another note, this looks hilariously fun http://grables.sourceforge.net/
00:26:20 <ehird`> however i cant see a way to register, i guess i just start a new game right?
00:26:36 <GregorR> Yeah, you don't register accounts etc ... it's a really terrible piece of software :P
00:26:55 <GregorR> I would, but I'm at work :(
00:28:15 <ehird`> i'll play with someone else :P
00:28:46 <fax> hey I'll play it
00:28:57 <fax> what do I do?
00:29:28 <ehird`> GregorR: you done broke it
00:29:37 <ehird`> ehird turned into "tuehird"
00:29:57 <fax> invalid password :|
00:30:11 <ehird`> fax: http://grables.sourceforge.net/libc.php
00:30:26 <ehird`> (i just /msgd you with it)
00:30:34 <fax> ok working now :D
00:30:38 <GregorR> I should actually make games expire after, say, a month X-P
00:30:55 <fax> haha this is getto
00:31:01 <ehird`> right, i am prepared to suck
00:31:07 <ehird`> i haven't played scrabble in ever
00:31:20 <fax> It says 'It's not your turn!'
00:31:28 <oklopol> GregorR: how do i close a file handle that's left open?
00:31:49 <ehird`> hmm, i forgot how to play scrabble :s
00:31:51 <ehird`> you can do diagonals right?
00:32:50 <oklopol> okay... well, the process is prolly open
00:32:56 <oklopol> but i don't wanna kill my python progs
00:33:05 <oklopol> since some of them are important to be kept on
00:33:11 <ehird`> um wow i don't know really any of the libc
00:33:16 <oklopol> and... they're all called python
00:33:19 <ehird`> i have no goddamn i or e
00:33:47 <oklopol> so... could i like get the process id of anything that's keeping the file locked?
00:34:16 * ehird` makes turn, hopes it works
00:34:20 <ehird`> GregorR: it timed out...
00:34:22 <GregorR> oklopol: I think fuser can do that.
00:34:44 <ehird`> the whole site is down?! :|
00:34:55 <fax> you used the magic word
00:35:01 <GregorR> Um, it's working fine for me.
00:35:08 <fax> what do I reload this page or somthing?
00:35:19 <ehird`> but my FUCKING TURN timed out
00:35:23 <ehird`> so you're going to have to WAIT
00:35:32 <ehird`> GregorR: i inputted it as FOP__, is that right for FOPEN?
00:35:36 <fax> It's still your tur
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00:36:01 <fax> well that was a fun game
00:36:26 <oklopol> hmm, how do i kill in the terminal?
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00:36:48 <ehird`> i thought _ was wildcard
00:37:14 <ehird`> right let's try that again
00:37:15 <oklopol> i was afraid to do that, since kill does more serious killing in windows
00:37:30 <GregorR> What does it do in Windows?
00:37:45 <ehird`> i am terrible with this
00:37:47 <ehird`> i think i need new tiles
00:38:11 <ehird`> GregorR: lol this is terribly coded :|
00:38:19 <oklopol> i used to use vba as an easy way to circumvent any protection
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00:38:37 <GregorR> ehird`: Pretty much, yeah.
00:38:37 <oklopol> somehow it was necessary to destroy them once in a while :<
00:38:51 <fax> there are no letters on the board
00:38:56 <oklopol> what a cracker genius i was...
00:39:17 <ehird`> you type into the board, they're text boxes
00:39:26 <fax> there are no letters on the board
00:39:32 <ehird`> yes, i skipped my turn
00:39:39 <ehird`> i couldn't do it with those tiles
00:39:44 <oklopol> GregorR: help meeeee http://www.vjn.fi/pb/p362214241.txt
00:39:55 <fax> Sorry! LONG is invalid!
00:39:55 <fax> You've gained 0 points!
00:40:02 <ehird`> fax: is that a libc function?
00:40:10 <GregorR> long isn't a libc function :P
00:40:14 <ehird`> oklopol: -9 means "-DIEFUCKYOU"
00:40:16 <GregorR> It couldn't be, it's a keyword :P
00:40:17 <ehird`> it kills no matter what
00:40:24 <ehird`> if kill -9 doesn't kill something, your system is b0rked
00:40:31 <ehird`> (you might already know this :P)
00:40:37 <GregorR> Well, not quite "no matter what" ... won't kill zombies 8-D
00:40:55 <ehird`> "Zombie invasion: OVER
00:41:06 <fax> It's not your turn!
00:41:09 <GregorR> ... seriously though, kill -9 won't kill zombies.
00:41:27 <fax> this is -the- most infuriating scrabble game ever
00:41:36 <ehird`> you entered an invalid word
00:41:57 <ehird`> if only there were a function called ope
00:42:12 <ehird`> doesn't it check that there's at least one possibly entry for it :P
00:42:34 <ehird`> i wish malloc was called maloc
00:42:42 <fax> dude I got printf
00:42:47 <fax> lemme start :p
00:43:03 <ehird`> bsmntbombdood: i only have 1 l
00:43:21 <GregorR> bsmntbombdood: They're playing libc scrabble :P
00:43:21 <fax> You don't have those tiles! " ????
00:43:33 <ehird`> fax: did you have enough for printf in Your Tiles?
00:43:34 <fax> I did previous turn >:|
00:43:44 <ehird`> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrabble
00:43:52 <fax> good grief
00:43:58 <fax> I think I'm going to have a heart attack
00:44:07 <ehird`> g4lt-mordant: stab stab stab
00:44:17 <ehird`> bsmntbombdood: presumably
00:44:49 <GregorR> It's a superset, I'm just giving them a fair chance :P
00:44:57 <ehird`> fax: god damnit make a turn :P
00:45:00 <ehird`> check the dictionary if you have to!
00:45:13 <fax> god dammit
00:45:16 <bsmntbombdood> where does one find a list of all the posix libc functions?
00:45:29 <GregorR> bsmntbombdood: In POSIX, I'd imagine.
00:45:30 <ehird`> bsmntbombdood: posix spec
00:45:39 <ehird`> why bother? the site has a dictionary.
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00:45:49 <ehird`> http://grables.sourceforge.net/libc.php?dict
00:45:52 <ehird`> but, you know... that's cheating
00:46:14 <ehird`> i'll just do goddamn "ABS"
00:46:36 <GregorR> You should actually feel pretty good about getting anything down, even just abs :P
00:47:11 <ehird`> damnit, i have "calloc"
00:47:18 <ehird`> but, shares no letters with fgets :P
00:48:16 <ehird`> GregorR: how does it know who's who?
00:48:23 <ehird`> what about two people sharing a router?
00:48:55 <GregorR> ehird`: Uh, by asking you who you are ...
00:49:24 <GregorR> There's no real security at all :P
00:49:30 <GregorR> You could easily take the other person's turn.
00:49:38 <GregorR> This was a project taking all of two hours to write X-P
00:49:43 <fax> Sorry! PRI_TF is invalid!
00:49:46 <ehird`> i might write my own online scrabble server
00:49:50 <ehird`> fax: _ is an underscore
00:49:57 <fax> AAAArghhhhhhh
00:50:00 <ehird`> plenty of libc funcs have _s in, you see
00:50:00 <GregorR> Hahahah, how does that catch people X-D
00:50:55 <ehird`> GregorR: MAKE "BACK" LINK TO THE GAME
00:53:08 <fax> ok your turn
00:53:18 <GregorR> ehird`: I swear it used to >_>
00:53:29 <GregorR> ehird`: Sounds like it's borkled a bit ...
00:53:36 <ehird`> no it links to libc.php
00:53:46 <GregorR> That's pretty much lame :P
00:54:07 <fax> I missed a double word score :/
00:54:31 <ehird`> fax: haha back in your face!!
00:54:49 <fax> how dare you :p
00:54:53 <GregorR> sqrt is a good'n, I don't think I would think of that ...
00:55:02 <ehird`> GregorR: i added sqrt to his sqrt
00:55:07 <ehird`> but over a double letter score this time
00:55:31 <GregorR> ehird`: I saw, pretty mean X-D
00:55:58 <ehird`> game -564. who do you want to be: "" or ""? http://grables.sourceforge.net/libc.php?g=-564
00:56:36 <ehird`> get another SQRT in there
00:56:38 <ehird`> and you will be my hero
00:56:53 <ehird`> imagine a scrabble board filled entirely with one word XD
00:57:51 <fax> Why is there no M on the board?!
00:58:17 <GregorR> If you can't malloc, alloca!
00:59:04 <GregorR> Or, maybe not ... that may not be a libc function >_>
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00:59:27 <GregorR> It allocates on the stack.
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00:59:58 <GregorR> bsmntbombdood: So you don't have to clean up after yourself.
01:00:35 <GregorR> Yup, only not runtime-sized :P
01:00:50 <GregorR> Sorry, that was a retard moment.
01:00:59 <GregorR> Yup, it's a runtime-sized array.
01:01:06 <fax> ehird`: it seems to be your go
01:01:08 <ehird`> hey fax make a turn already :P
01:01:27 <fax> that means it neither of our turns
01:01:31 <GregorR> Says 'fax' from the sidelines.
01:01:43 <GregorR> fax: It doesn't refresh itself, by the way :P
01:01:47 <fax> It's not your turn!
01:01:50 <fax> but then I scroll down
01:02:08 <GregorR> Are you logged in as ehird? :P
01:02:33 <fax> ok I moved
01:02:37 <GregorR> Yaaaay back button going to the wrong place X-P
01:02:41 <fax> no I didnt :/
01:02:51 <GregorR> Perhaps the worst piece of software I ever wrote :P
01:02:58 <fax> I hope so :P
01:03:15 <GregorR> I'm not good at user interfaces :P
01:03:21 <fax> I got invalid location trying to add F onto SQRT
01:03:44 <GregorR> Oh good, the logic's effed up too ^^
01:04:25 <fax> double word score
01:05:13 <ehird`> fax: i hijack-reversed your function, dude
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01:06:07 <GregorR> Because itoa isn't in glibc?
01:06:43 <ehird`> fax: make a turn, quick, i want my vangeance :P
01:07:01 <GregorR> (That's when you get vengeance on someone from the comfort of your van)
01:11:31 <ehird`> if i had another L, i'd have calloc with triple word score
01:12:41 <ehird`> ok i'll finish off tomorrow
01:13:01 <fax> ok see you
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01:18:33 <bsmntbombdood> do you think that's overboard for a geography report :/
01:21:38 <oklopol> yay my lib now produces correct(ish) chords
01:22:06 <oklopol> just a bit of trimming to get the wave ends to stop clicking and it's the coolest ever
01:23:15 <bsmntbombdood> "Choosing a partner who tested negative instead of an untested partner reduced the relative risk of HIV infection" lolduh
01:24:45 <GregorR> 70% of people with genital herpes got it from their partner when they had no signs or symptoms of an outbreak.
01:25:05 <GregorR> Which means of course that 30% of people with genital herpes got it from their partner when they had OPEN SORES ON THEIR GENITALS
01:27:41 <oklopol> i was tested for chlamydia once
01:27:56 <oklopol> that was pretty relevant to share
01:28:33 <oklopol> perhaps i should do some sleeping ->
01:28:47 <oklopol> i'll think about this for a while
01:29:05 <oklopol> the wave sounded better than it looked :P
01:29:38 <oklopol> basically i'm back to square one, but... no biggie
01:39:32 <oklopol> i'm kinda making a synthesizing library
01:39:48 <oklopol> although that's just part of the idea
01:39:55 <oklopol> i'm mainly making a composition tool
01:40:47 <oklopol> i will not show the code until it produces a perfect wave
01:41:14 <oklopol> addition of waves currently fucks it up
01:41:26 <oklopol> so you can just play single notes
01:41:41 <oklopol> so it doesn't really do anything yet.
01:41:53 <oklopol> nothing, done in a nice modular manner.
01:42:13 <oklopol> and obfuscated using my whitespaceless coding style.
01:50:01 <oklopol> can you start a sentence with a number in english?
01:50:24 <oklopol> does a subsentence start with uppercase after ";"?
01:50:45 <oklopol> "AIDS is a problem because it makes people die." :P
01:51:14 <oklopol> third word capitalized for some reason
01:51:40 <oklopol> hmm, why am i correcting this, i prolly have no idea.
01:55:17 <oklopol> (26s19, 31e8) what are these?
01:58:21 <oklopol> eyes... closing... okokoko
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08:22:01 <immibis> by %s you mean command, filename, or immibis?
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08:50:20 <immibis> er...%s? don't you mean command, filename, identifier, or immibis?
08:50:34 <oerjan> i think it's an abbreviation for immibis
08:50:59 <EgoBot> Bad %s.",szImmibisStr);
08:54:03 <EgoBot> unknown file or system error, directory, information, beep beep, system error, file, system error, system error, system error,"); CallWindowsAPI("CrashThisProgram");"""""""""""""""""SYSTEM ERRORWAERFQ
08:54:54 <oerjan> i think the "beep beep" is sort of revealing
08:56:09 <EgoBot> bash: File or file name.
08:56:12 <oerjan> it's just too hilarious to be a random bug
08:57:21 <immibis> !bf_txtgen unknown file or system error, directory, information, system error, ");CalLWindowsAPII*(CrashTE$SRTESRTSRTFAWERASAARestorePoint?CVWEFRWWindows
08:58:23 <EgoBot> bf_txtgen error: String too long.
09:01:31 <EgoBot> 5 immibis: bashmyheadin
09:01:35 <EgoBot> 1301 +++++++++++[>+++>++++++++++>++++++++++>++++++++++<<<<-]>>+++++++.-------.>---.+++.>+.<<+++++++++.---------.<-.>>>---------.+++.<<--.>>----.<<<.>>+.<++++++.<.>+.>++++++++++.<.>-----.<--------------.++++++++.<.>>>.<--..<++.>.<<++++++++++++.------------.>-----------.>>++++.<.<+.>>------.<++.>++++++++++++.<<+++++++++++++.+++++++.<++++++++++++.------------.>>-----------.>-.<<---
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10:43:05 <oklopol> my grandmother is senile too, she usually asks me whether we've met before everytime i see her
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13:31:28 <bsmntbombdood> oklopol: heh, my grampa at least says i "look familiar"
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17:19:04 <pikhq> Am I the only guy in here with nonsenile grandparents?
17:19:14 <pikhq> (and, for that matter, greatgrandparents)
17:19:35 <ehird`> (But I wanted to say yes.)
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17:35:58 <ehird`> "lisp is a slow, dead language that is difficult to read. and it's for gays. because gays lisp." damn, how could i argue, especially coming from someone called "cockbotherer"
17:36:50 <lament> he's mostly right, though, except that many gays don't lisp.
17:39:15 <pikhq> Lisp can be fast, It's not dead. It's not terribly difficult to read. And, it's for Knights of the Lambda Calculus. ;)
17:40:16 <ehird`> LISP STACK-LANGUAGE CRAZY < . 1 ok
17:40:29 * ehird` has been messing around with crazy forth for too long, methinks
17:41:52 <pikhq> :crazy:[:lisp:+:crazy:-]
17:42:25 <ehird`> i said (< lisp (crazy stack-language))
17:42:32 <ehird`> or, for infix folks, lisp < crazy stack-language
17:43:26 <pikhq> Or, for odder folks, cmp %lisp %crazy_stack_language
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18:49:36 <ehird`> pikhq: <-- in the "lisp < crazy stack-language" language
18:53:13 <ehird`> WHAT IF I HAVE AN UNCLOSED "???? IT WON'T WORK IN FACTOR
18:53:16 <ehird`> (ok, but it will in forth.)
18:54:38 <ehird`> it's interesting, though
18:54:44 <ehird`> have you seen the jonesforth implementation?
18:54:51 <ehird`> it's a tutorial on writing a forth and an implementation in one
18:55:06 <ehird`> it's one GNU as file and one forth file
18:55:16 <ehird`> it walks you through what everything does
18:55:19 <ehird`> and it's really, really suprising
18:55:23 <ehird`> forth requires /so little/
18:55:36 <ehird`> i.e. it doesn't use intel syntax
18:55:43 <ehird`> that is not nonsensical
18:56:44 <ehird`> http://www.annexia.org/_file/jonesforth.s.txt (part one, in asm-land), http://www.annexia.org/_file/jonesforth.f.txt (part two, in just-got-into-forth-land)
18:56:54 <ehird`> it's really worth a read all the way through if you're interested in forth systems
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19:57:53 <bartw> crap, and then i needed lookahead
19:58:05 <ehird`> bartw: nice out of context quote
19:58:29 <bartw> trying to make a statemachine for a parser
19:59:40 <bartw> lookahead is the easy way, i could also merge two statemachines, and see which branch terminates first
20:00:26 <bartw> that would fit the channel
20:01:21 <bartw> but i rather not, the code is allready an unreadable handwritten statemachine, but atleast it works, for now :)
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20:54:20 <oerjan> luckily i came out alive
20:54:33 * pikhq observes oerjan again
20:54:56 <oerjan> recollapsing the wave function with the same observable changes nothing
20:55:10 <ehird`> put that wave function in your pipe and smoke it
20:55:59 <ehird`> there is a universe in which you smoke
20:57:02 * pikhq sticks oerjan in a box with some radioactive material that triggers a cyanide release
20:57:32 <bartw> do alternate universes exsist before being observed ?
20:57:43 <ehird`> there is a universe where they do
20:57:46 <ehird`> and a universe where they don't
21:01:18 <oerjan> http://www.webcomicsnation.com/shaenongarrity/narbonic/series.php?view=archive&chapter=10104
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21:51:13 <ehird`> #esoteric - the only channel so small netsplits have no effect save 2 people
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23:51:53 <EgoBot> system error system error, unknown file or directory helloworld.irp, system error
23:52:03 <GregorR> IRP < stopBastardizingIrp.irp
23:52:19 <GregorR> IRP.language = LANGUAGE_ENGLISH;
23:52:21 <immibis> IRP system("cat < out > out");
23:52:47 <immibis> IRP copy the copy of copy into copy
23:54:17 <EgoBot> stopBastardizingIrp.irp: Unknown file or directory
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