< 1196380804 0 :CrackBunny!n=CrackBun@71-87-62-72.dhcp.stcd.mn.charter.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1196380819 0 :CrackBunny!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1196380929 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :[ < 1196380936 0 :[!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :iDGCorun < 1196381016 0 :iDGCorun!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :IDG_SHIRT < 1196381128 0 :IDG_SHIRT!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Corun < 1196381139 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :IDG_SHIRT < 1196381234 0 :IDG_SHIRT!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1196381397 0 :ihope_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ihope < 1196383256 0 :puzzlet_!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1196383749 0 :puzzlet__!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1196383870 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1196384503 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1196384914 0 :SEO_DUDE!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1196386660 0 :clayrat!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1196387218 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1196387587 0 :Tritonio__!n=Tritonio@150.140.227.188 JOIN :#esoteric < 1196387630 0 :Tritonio_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1196388471 0 :Sgeo!n=Anonymou@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1196391308 0 :AxleLonghorn_!n=chatzill@n9750-176-21.willamette.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1196391334 0 :AxleLonghorn_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :AxleLonghorn < 1196391374 0 :AxleLonghorn!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1196391390 0 :AxleLonghorn!n=chatzill@n9750-176-21.willamette.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1196391991 0 :immibis!n=immibis@125-236-169-229.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1196392471 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"@+" < 1196392906 0 :AxleLonghorn!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1196396561 0 :puzzlet__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1196396563 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1196397576 0 :faxathisia!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection reset by peer < 1196397661 0 :faxathisia!n=more@137.195.250.2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1196398709 0 :BoredCollegeGuy!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1196399344 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip24-255-58-134.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1196399426 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1196399439 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1196399510 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Hi Im a qit msg virus. Pls rplce ur old qit msg wit tis 1 & hlp me tk ovr th wrld of IRC. A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A < 1196399869 0 :chuck!n=charlie@wikimedia/cmelbye JOIN :#esoteric < 1196400552 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1196401280 0 :faxathisia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did anyone try Epigram? < 1196401656 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's Epigram? < 1196401741 0 :faxathisia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to be a programming language where you can have types depend on values < 1196401749 0 :faxathisia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sub-turing < 1196401754 0 :faxathisia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't really know much more < 1196401780 0 :faxathisia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the code looks cool some examples on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epigram_%28programming_language%29 < 1196401813 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck, wine smells more < 1196402264 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more than what < 1196402550 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :than before < 1196402563 0 :chuck!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep" < 1196403002 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1196403136 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : is that general problem NP-complete? <<< no < 1196403148 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although someone has prolly said that < 1196403209 0 :faxathisia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got confused < 1196403214 0 :faxathisia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zero sum is NP complete apparentlly < 1196403222 0 :faxathisia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this isn't zero sum, it's maximizing < 1196403350 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i'll put it in the crawlspace < 1196403378 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...why am i talking about this in here < 1196403414 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :faxathisia: i think you mean on where any subset can be taken < 1196403441 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: that would be even easier, just take _all_ positives < 1196403442 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything that only cares about continuous sequences can be no < 1196403444 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :np < 1196403458 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: for the max, yes, not the zeroing < 1196403472 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1196403472 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*mean one where < 1196403498 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, the 2d one is np? did someone say that or did i misunderstand something < 1196403504 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and of course for maximizing under a bound (knapsack) < 1196403505 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how could it possibly be < 1196403512 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1196403541 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, he was talking about subset sumzorz < 1196403598 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder if generalizing that to hypercube sum makes it np < 1196403610 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is hypercube a tesseract? < 1196403618 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i knows nothings < 1196403689 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION vaguely recalls those are the same thing < 1196403711 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe hypercube is for all dimensions < 1196403716 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, can hypercube be used for further dimensions as well < 1196403724 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1196403742 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate it when people steal my thoughts < 1196403745 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only one way to find out < 1196403749 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :teh google! < 1196403766 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and teh wikipedia! < 1196403778 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only _two ways_ to find out < 1196403791 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :teh google, teh wikipedia, and teh mathworld < 1196403837 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fourth way is asking the spanish inquisition, which is not recommended < 1196403883 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, time travel sometimes leads to catastrophes < 1196403885 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it's apparently arbitrary n < 1196403895 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION knew! < 1196403939 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, the typing checker doesn't know "tesseract", is that the correct form, now that you have your pedias open < 1196403953 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i closed them again < 1196403958 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(since you can't possibly just know that...) < 1196403961 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think that was it < 1196403976 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i did see it but i did not rememorize the spelling :) < 1196404022 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i learned the word from watching hypercube in french < 1196404027 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you know the series < 1196404045 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't < 1196404049 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've actually pointer you out a paradox from that movie, although you don't remember it < 1196404056 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*pointed < 1196404218 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no one remembers. it's a paradox! < 1196404240 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and that sub-hypercube thing. < 1196404255 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n dimensions, 2^n elements < 1196404286 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3^n sub-hypercubes i think < 1196404303 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for each coordinate, take both, 0 or neither) < 1196404377 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3^(log 2 x) = (3^log 2)^x, still a polynomial number in the original elements < 1196404384 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1196404394 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, no < 1196404424 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn i'm not supposed to do _that_ kind of silly mistake :D < 1196404458 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lessee < 1196404459 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why can't you take 1, why just 0? < 1196404468 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, i meant 1 < 1196404474 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you cannot take neither < 1196404479 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then 4^ < 1196404482 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1196404483 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1196404488 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, i'm forgetting to eat breakfast < 1196404540 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :breakfast is for melvins < 1196404548 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION learned a new word < 1196404554 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my brain does not work without food < 1196404702 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, i think this kind of brain usage is for melvins too < 1196404721 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure whether it means "geek" or "gay", no real difference in usage < 1196404846 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never heard it < 1196404868 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so back to this thing which my intuition tells me _is_ polynomial < 1196404912 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3^(log 2 n) = 2^(log 3*log 2 n) = n^log 3 Q.E.D. < 1196404967 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can check all sub-hypercubes in n^log 2 3 time < 1196405000 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n^log_2 3 < 1196405020 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every circle of kiddo buddies comes up with their own set of words, and there are about a quadrillion kids in the us < 1196405025 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1196405027 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd be surprised if you'd heard it < 1196405043 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION should memorize urbandictionary < 1196405055 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er times some overhead per cube, which is linear < 1196405095 0 :johnk_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1196405123 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exercise: pepper your speech with words used differently than most people do. if challenged point to a dictionary < 1196405150 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION now wonders if "pepper" is used in that sense in english < 1196405210 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1196405223 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems so, at least close to it < 1196405229 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, the 3 there is related to 2 < 1196405238 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not generalize for any cube size? < 1196405276 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n_1*n_2*...*n_k gives (n_1+1)*...*(n_k+1) subcubes < 1196405321 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that so? < 1196405329 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, no < 1196405349 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd say it's quadratic growth < 1196405370 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm right if it's to be consecutive < 1196405391 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, the number of continuous segments in a list < 1196405393 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and multiplying quadratic things are still quadratic < 1196405394 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :easy to calc < 1196405409 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although still too much for me without paper.. < 1196405417 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehm < 1196405425 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quadratic * quadratic is quartic < 1196405434 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in this case < 1196405442 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, don't get colloquial with me! thazz no proof! < 1196405451 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you also multiply the things you start squaring < 1196405469 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<= (n_1^2)*...*(n_k^2) subcubes < 1196405476 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric := (n_1*...*n_k)^2 < 1196405502 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rrrright < 1196405573 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people at the computer science classes look at me like a geek when i'm reading coding theory xD < 1196405580 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not classes, lectures < 1196405580 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i say that's proof enough < 1196405581 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyhow < 1196405631 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i say that's pretty proof < 1196405634 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite indeed < 1196405645 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why didn't i eat anything... i'm hungry too < 1196405657 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm gonna go melvin it up -> < 1196405663 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you're pretending to be the anti-melvin :) < 1196405994 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's funny, most of the time when reading math i'm thinking of ways to enhance the notation itself; math doesn't really try alternative notations that much, why is that :\ < 1196406010 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the notation used today is like 70 billion years old right? < 1196406113 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not always < 1196406178 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some things do get more efficient notation occasionally < 1196406313 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess a reason why the main notation is uaually the same could be that, unlike with programming, you can just use any other notation you want < 1196406439 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sss < 1196406481 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like these days i think few people use Boole's notation for Boolean formulas < 1196406498 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ab = a and b, a+b = a or b < 1196406549 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, in that case the mathematical notation definately owns < 1196406550 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely < 1196406560 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one? < 1196406568 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+ < 1196406588 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :boole's notation was with "and" and "or"? < 1196406599 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't it the one with those weird characters? < 1196406608 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no the other way around < 1196406622 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did not give the modern one < 1196406631 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may not be entirely consistent, hm < 1196406654 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, "and" and "or" are definately too verbose for anything < 1196406656 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely < 1196406736 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : /\ and \/ are probably most common now < 1196406768 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we used those in school for the first few lessons < 1196406774 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then moved to * and + < 1196406783 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1196406791 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after which /\ and \/ were considered bad-. < 1196406796 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-- < 1196406800 0 :faxathisia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why what is wrong with /\ and \/ < 1196406800 0 :faxathisia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1196406859 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :teachers tend to want the students to use the system used in classes < 1196406870 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make checking a simpler process < 1196406979 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do vaguely recall my father has an old book which uses * + < 1196407017 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about digital circuits < 1196407049 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :must have been my first introduction to boolean algebra < 1196407090 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nowadays - when you know about boolean rings, you realize it is xor that is the addition :) < 1196407137 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1196407147 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i realized that right away, but the teacher didn't mention it < 1196407169 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i almost yelled it out loud < 1196407192 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when were boolean rings come up with? < 1196407208 0 :johnk!n=johnk@halcyon.southwestern.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1196407273 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know < 1196407405 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prime fields are the coolest thing ever, the lives of those before the must have been quite meaningless < 1196407447 0 :faxathisia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is a prime field? < 1196407456 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1196407462 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's prolly not the right term < 1196407489 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, a field over (mod p) where p is prime < 1196407503 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :galois field, except that also includes p^n < 1196407518 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, any field really other than reals is pretty awesome < 1196407535 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i don't know about n!=1, since the book hasn't considered that :P < 1196407546 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prime field seems to be used < 1196407569 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think n!=1 is even more awesome < 1196407578 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that so? < 1196407580 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impress me! < 1196407592 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're harder to find < 1196407648 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i almost ejaculated when i heard there's always a generator member in the field whose exponents create every other member of the field < 1196407665 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will the size 2^16 (i think) field i hid in my INTERCAL Unlambda interpreter do? < 1196407681 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1196407707 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... every p^n, where n!=1 is not a field? < 1196407717 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i discovered in INTERCAL it was easier to do a multiplication over that field than actually incrementing a variable :) < 1196407752 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a side note, i should learn intercal < 1196407768 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Z(p^n) is not a field for n!=1, indeed < 1196407802 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only some are? < 1196407812 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there _is_ a field of size p^n, which is not the same as calculating mod p^n < 1196407821 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, right < 1196407825 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's called GF(p^n) < 1196407861 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case, it is pretty awesome < 1196407903 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, there is exactly one of each size < 1196407913 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1196407922 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :up to isomorphism < 1196407963 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finite_field < 1196407968 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the fuck isn't this taught at school, discrete math is a fucking mental orgy < 1196407996 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well as i said these are harder to find < 1196408084 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant why am i learning all this now that i'm already old and wrinkled < 1196408092 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_O < 1196408109 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right, sorry :P < 1196408124 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i mean is, this should be taught before integration and that shit < 1196408167 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, calculus could be taught in physics, and math could concentrate on the interesting stuff < 1196408284 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, these things seem so fundamental every time i hear something like that, i feel i gain +1 lev < 1196408303 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and these are levels i could've gained in elementary school < 1196408965 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely galois did not die in a duel, his head exploded from all the awesome < 1196409178 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah and abel didn't die of tuberculosis either b can be rephrased as a or b = b < 1196411302 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to take a shower, gotta leave soon < 1196411312 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1196411332 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that an example of it, or the general way to make any => into an equation :P < 1196411349 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that's general, in boolean logic anyhow < 1196411391 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a branch of math that somehow considers the number of steps needed for proofs? < 1196411395 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually an even more general way is as (a => b) = True < 1196411399 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or reduction steps < 1196411426 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vaguely recall... < 1196411431 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, of course every branch considers that as part of themselves, but a more general one < 1196411445 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, right :) < 1196411466 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think essentially that's complexity theory, when you apply the curry-howard isomorphism < 1196411475 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :between logics and programs < 1196411478 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, what's the chi? < 1196411481 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CHI < 1196411495 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1196411498 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1196411532 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a correspondence between propositions and proofs on the one side, and types and programs on the other < 1196411567 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1196411581 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :originally, intuitionistic propositional logic <=> simply typed lambda calculus < 1196411587 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's what all the fuzz about automatic proving of programs is all about? < 1196411610 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1196411614 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but gotta leave now < 1196411617 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cya < 1196411619 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :->>>>> < 1196411622 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1196411629 0 :clayrat!n=kvirc@217.23.124.154 JOIN :#esoteric < 1196414009 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1196415143 0 :faxathisia!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1196422001 0 :Jontte!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Konversation terminated!" < 1196424029 0 :SEO_DUDE!i=Deee@gateway/tor/x-4ff74223ff629abe JOIN :#esoteric < 1196426563 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, category theory. < 1196426652 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1196426653 0 :sekhmet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1196426653 0 :cmeme!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1196426653 0 :Possum!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1196426659 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1196426659 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1196426660 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1196426660 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1196426660 0 :Overand!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1196426660 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1196426660 0 :ololobot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1196426713 0 :ololobot!n=ololobot@194.251.103.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1196426713 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@75-166-190-182.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1196426713 0 :oklopol!n=ville@194.251.103.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1196426713 0 :dbc!n=daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1196426713 0 :Overand!i=overand@pdpc/supporter/active/Overand JOIN :#esoteric < 1196426713 0 :SimonRC!n=sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1196426713 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@c-76-27-232-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1196426728 0 :puzzlet_!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1196426728 0 :Possum!n=possum@pool-71-180-26-32.tampfl.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1196426728 0 :cmeme!n=cmeme@boa.b9.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1196426728 0 :sekhmet!n=pez@wilug/madlug/sekhmet JOIN :#esoteric < 1196427629 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-59.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1196427693 0 :drwilco!n=drwilco@ishtar.drwilco.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1196427994 0 :SEO_DUDE!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1196428312 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1196428312 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1196428313 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1196428313 0 :Overand!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1196428313 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1196428313 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1196428313 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1196428313 0 :ololobot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1196428332 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-59.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1196428332 0 :ololobot!n=ololobot@194.251.103.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1196428332 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@75-166-190-182.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1196428332 0 :oklopol!n=ville@194.251.103.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1196428332 0 :dbc!n=daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1196428332 0 :Overand!i=overand@pdpc/supporter/active/Overand JOIN :#esoteric < 1196428332 0 :SimonRC!n=sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1196428332 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@c-76-27-232-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1196428339 0 :drwilco!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :DocWilco < 1196428388 0 :SEO_DUDE!i=Deee@gateway/tor/x-cf72911efc3d8d1e JOIN :#esoteric < 1196428657 0 :SEO_DUDE!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1196431331 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-080-228-191-144.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1196433393 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1196433517 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-78-29.w83-203.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1196433804 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1196433863 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that is circular reasoning < 1196433885 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. < 1196433921 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like saying there's a morphism from A to B just because there's a morphism from B to B. :-P < 1196433953 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...no no, that was an o < 1196433960 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1196433972 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and o's are circular < 1196433975 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that case, it was... a very nice o. < 1196434111 0 :chuck!n=charlie@wikimedia/cmelbye JOIN :#esoteric < 1196434129 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: circular? yes. reasoning? definately not < 1196434132 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely < 1196434142 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o's are the result of reasoning. < 1196434155 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not at all to do with the process of reasoning < 1196434598 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1196435173 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now _that_ is definitely circular reasoning < 1196435372 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Circular reasoning makes me unhappy. < 1196435428 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as it is not a downward spiral < 1196435441 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Helical reasoning is just fine. < 1196435459 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As a bonus, it's topologically equivalent to linear reasoning. < 1196435505 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how could that be circular reasoning? i did not justify what i said at all, that can hardly be circular. < 1196435581 0 :BoredCollegeGuy!n=tlroot@137.112.248.188 JOIN :#esoteric < 1196435599 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you were definitely reasoning about circles there < 1196435653 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also remember rule #1: 63% of everything i say is a pun < 1196435686 0 :BoredCollegeGuy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please generate 10 random numbers within the range [0,1023]. < 1196435746 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0. < 1196435882 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[564,840,725,105,384,584,255,962,522,528] < 1196435888 0 :BoredCollegeGuy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, thank you. < 1196435948 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: did you, by any chance, take 10 (randomRs (0, 1023) gen :: [Int])? < 1196435969 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :print.take 10.randomRs (0,1023::Int) =<< newStdGen < 1196436000 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it took me far too long to get that typed right :( < 1196436022 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Took me longer. < 1196436035 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though only a little bit, I'm guessing. < 1196436182 0 :BoredCollegeGuy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please, state the most difficult problem yet processed through this interpreter. < 1196436225 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, gee... < 1196436233 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i once processed a hello world < 1196436251 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coming up with a complete AI program running at a reasonable pace. < 1196436264 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for what? < 1196436490 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BoredCollegeGuy: unknown symbol- "most difficult" < 1196436528 0 :BoredCollegeGuy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough. < 1196436601 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1196436602 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1196436603 0 :BoredCollegeGuy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please, let "most difficult problem" be defined as the problem requiring more work from the interpreter than any other problem. Retry last request. < 1196436719 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been asked to type the lyrics to 99b, but I'm not certain saying "go to hell" counts as processing the problem. < 1196436753 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does in IRP, in fact it's the canonical answer :) < 1196436754 0 :BoredCollegeGuy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :considering the fact that that's a bug in the interpreter, I think I'd have to say no. < 1196436791 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is most definitely NOT a bug < 1196436803 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRP is by nature a nondeterministic language < 1196436841 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... do we have any nondeterministic languages in the wiki? < 1196436850 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :certainly < 1196436852 0 :BoredCollegeGuy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone should fix the wiki then, I think. < 1196436857 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1196436859 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thue is one < 1196436862 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i actually know a few myself < 1196436865 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1196436865 0 :BoredCollegeGuy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Due to a bug in the IRP interpreter, it is very difficult to produce a working implementation of the 99 bottles program in this language." < 1196436874 0 :BoredCollegeGuy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOLCATS is deterministic. < 1196436878 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that ofd d'main ovorl < 1196436882 0 :BoredCollegeGuy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOLCODE, rather. < 1196436887 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or smth < 1196436907 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolcode is nondeterministic? i rather doubt that < 1196436921 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BoredCollegeGuy: i'm sure they'll get to adding an exception to that if they haven't already < 1196436977 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: wait, you mean noit o' mnain worb? < 1196436996 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, although i may confuse it to another language... not sure < 1196437003 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean the one with the pressure thing < 1196437005 0 :BoredCollegeGu1!n=tlroot@137.112.248.188 JOIN :#esoteric < 1196437040 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1196437044 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the one < 1196437058 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's nondeterministic < 1196437111 0 :BoredCollegeGu1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :boooo. < 1196437119 0 :BoredCollegeGu1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this irc client won't let me /ghost. < 1196437163 0 :BoredCollegeGu1!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1196437208 0 :BoredCollegeGu1!n=tlroot@137.112.248.188 JOIN :#esoteric < 1196437218 0 :BoredCollegeGu1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that didn't work. < 1196437229 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't suppose it lets you add new commands < 1196437232 0 :BoredCollegeGu1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone here have rights to kick the other one? < 1196437249 0 :BoredCollegeGu1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pidgin? probably does. < 1196437260 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, kicking won't let you change nicks. < 1196437264 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least lament has < 1196437264 0 :DocWilco!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try /quote ghost? < 1196437275 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't you /msg NickServ GHOST BoredCollegeGuy password? < 1196437322 0 :BoredCollegeGu1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a registered user, unfortunately. < 1196437341 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll die eventually < 1196437350 0 :BoredCollegeGu1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well. < 1196437359 0 :BoredCollegeGu1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh. I thought of a fun one. < 1196437414 0 :BoredCollegeGu1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please return a stack trace of the calculation of A(3,5) where A is the Ackermann function. < 1196437480 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, this calls for something more than "Go to hell" < 1196437555 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go to Malebolge, You Fiend! < 1196437563 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BoredCollegeGu1: will do! < 1196437617 0 :DocWilco!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION points out to BoredCollegeGu1 that the topic contains "IRP in #irp" < 1196437619 0 :DocWilco!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :=) < 1196437658 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :irp is okay if you know it's not < 1196437700 0 :DocWilco!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENOSENSE < 1196437749 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that too < 1196437772 0 :BoredCollegeGu1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's another place where we could do with a wiki update then. < 1196437788 0 :clayrat!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1196437805 0 :BoredCollegeGu1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is most definitely a newb around these parts.  < 1196437822 0 :DocWilco!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1196437861 0 :BoredCollegeGu1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand, #irp seems to be unimplemented at this point. < 1196437891 0 :BoredCollegeGu1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh nvm. I typoed irc instead of irp. < 1196437915 0 :DocWilco!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still quite unimplemented it seems =) < 1196437968 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1196437976 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no #irc? where will all the irc'rs go then? :O < 1196437977 0 :BoredCollegeGuy!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1196437978 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-080-228-186-151.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1196437999 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we are the diaspora! < 1196438040 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BoredCollegeGu1: well, it's running. < 1196438051 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's finished. The answer is 61. < 1196438056 0 :DocWilco!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BoredCollegeGu1: you can change nicks now < 1196438066 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: cool trace < 1196438081 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except it isn't actually? Hmm. < 1196438098 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'll give what it gave. < 1196438100 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1196438114 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure the request was for the actual trace < 1196438121 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it exceeded my scrollback. < 1196438127 0 :BoredCollegeGu1!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :BoredCollegeGuy < 1196438128 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1196438142 0 :BoredCollegeGuy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, ackermann's complicated like that. < 1196438148 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I need to stuff this into a file somehow. < 1196438295 0 :Tritonio__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1196438927 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's why the program gave the wrong output. I gave it the wrong input. < 1196438951 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :always such a GIGOlo < 1196438984 0 :BoredCollegeGuy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol! < 1196439138 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i always have that problem, 100 lines of code, no bugs... and then i debug for 2 hours to find i was testing it with a different input than i thought < 1196439304 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good thing I saw the error immediately upon seeing the "stack trace". < 1196439313 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And all this work just to get 253! < 1196439324 0 :iEhird!n=ehird@user-5440bd6b.wfd77a.dsl.pol.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1196439342 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it a me-parody or an Apple user? < 1196439357 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something entirely different? < 1196439385 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its me on my iphone < 1196439412 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using a native IRC client < 1196439502 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1196439515 0 :iEhird!n=ehird@user-5440bd6b.wfd77a.dsl.pol.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1196439541 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have an IRC client for iPhone? < 1196439545 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iDoneBrokeIt < 1196439546 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How 'bout VoIP? :P < 1196439548 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1196439551 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1196439553 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1196439571 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm gonna go with "no" on VoIP, as that would undermine their business model :P < 1196439575 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :off your need to jailbreak it first < 1196439580 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1196439586 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well then probably :) < 1196439599 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You jail-broke yours? Need to carefully not update it? :) < 1196439633 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :carefly not update more like press no when iTunes adis < 1196439642 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"CommandQ" < 1196439666 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think Apple's software would make it more difficult not to update. < 1196439674 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1196439707 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are thinking of microsoft < 1196439732 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I'm thinking of both Microsoft and Apple. < 1196439826 0 :EHIRDm!n=ircm@user-5440bd6b.wfd77a.dsl.pol.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1196439830 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-091-096-033-081.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1196439842 0 :EHIRDm!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi from different client < 1196439846 0 :EHIRDm!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Www < 1196439849 0 :EHIRDm!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fugly < 1196439853 0 :EHIRDm!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1196439884 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregor r appple products never do that to ne < 1196439936 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>> scm (+ 2 2) < 1196439961 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>> sch (+ 2 2) < 1196439961 0 :ololobot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 < 1196439976 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iScheme :p < 1196440526 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF spam call from my carrier XD < 1196440639 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They want you to switch to the Snapple dyePhone < 1196440667 0 :DocWilco!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iBrick? < 1196440726 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :docwilcp I've found it significantly more useful than a brick < 1196440765 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly you've just been using bad bricks. < 1196440797 0 :DocWilco!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iEhird: well, I'm talking about the people who managed to brick it by hacking the provider lock and then upgrading firmware < 1196440808 0 :DocWilco!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, I'm aware that that's been fixed < 1196440829 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah well jailbreaking cannot brick < 1196440840 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its 100% as < 1196440847 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as < 1196440849 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sw < 1196440853 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's very very as. < 1196440867 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's as as as a's. < 1196440877 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would say that it's perhaps 95% as, I don't think it's reasonable to say it's 100% as though. < 1196440892 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :loool < 1196440901 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's as though they were such. < 1196440985 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BoredCollegeGuy: well, it got as far as A(1,A(1,A(1,A(1,A(1,A(1,A(1,A(1,A(1,A(1,A(1,A(1,A(1,A(1,A(1,A(1,A(1,A(1,A(1,A(1,A(1,A(0,A(0,A(0,A(0,A(0,A(0,A(0,A(0,A(0,A(0,A(0,A(0,A(0,A(0,A(0,A(0,A(0,A(0,A(0,A(0,A(0,A(0,A(0,A(0,A(0,A(0,A(0,A(0,A(0,A(0,A(0,A(0,A(0,A(0,A(0,A(0,A(0,A(0,A(0,A(0,A(0,A(0,A(0,A(0,A(0,A(0,A(0,A(0,A(0,A(0,A(0,A(0,A(0,A(0,A(0,A(0,A(0,A(0,A(0,A(0,A(0,A(0,A(0,A(0,A(0,A(0,A(0,A(0,A(0, < 1196440985 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as my ass. < 1196440987 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A(0,A(1,139)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))). < 1196441024 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SMITE! SMITE! < 1196441032 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION smites? < 1196441102 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ackermann traces should be smote on sight < 1196441260 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1196441407 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that, and http://irregularwebcomic.net/41.html < 1196441914 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1196441996 0 :BoredCollegeGuy!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1196442790 0 :BoredCollegeGuy!n=tlroot@137.112.248.178 JOIN :#esoteric < 1196444128 0 :puzzlet_!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1196444128 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night" < 1196444738 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1196445733 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vjn.fi/pb/p511455216.txt <<< simplified some of the old syntax... and added tons more :)))) < 1196446861 0 :Sgeo!n=Anonymou@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1196448184 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.realtruth.org/articles/070601-006-teog.html?cid=g1193&s_kwcid=ContentNetwork|1167384521&gclid=CPjLnaOOhJACFQtPMAodgB5tpg <<< useful pointers: i think The First Law of Thermodynamics part may be incorrect < 1196448359 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1196448397 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :occasionally, i like trying to take these articles seriously < 1196448414 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't succeeded yet < 1196448449 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF? I'm trying to find any logic in any of this. < 1196448471 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fail to see any sort of connection between the random nonsense and "divine zomgsicles" < 1196448491 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this may be the reason i have yet to succeed < 1196448532 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no matter how many times i see that sort of crap, "Existance Of God Logically Proven" just has to be read :\ < 1196448595 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"in fact, I learned that evolution is based entirely on faith, because no facts or proof have ever been found to support it!" < 1196448597 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahahahahaahah < 1196448604 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1196448613 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love how he just declares that as an absolute Truism. < 1196448711 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought people hear proof about evolution in elementary school < 1196448854 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahahaha, I clicked through to the Evolution - Facts, Fiction and Fallacy (or something like that) article, and he claims that scientists haven't drawn a line between macro- and micro-evolution because they can't even "agree" on "where the lines of these particular disciplines start and stop." < 1196448867 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's because the line is entirely invented - THERE IS NO LINE, you stupid dumbfuck X-D < 1196448941 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, "evolution" pretty much has two meanings, at least. < 1196448970 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In 1967, scientists built an “Atomic Clock.” It uses Cesium 133 atoms because they oscillate (vibrate) at the rate of 9,192,631,770 times per second. This produces accuracy within one second every 30 million years! Wouldn’t you love a watch that accurate? Cesium 133 atoms never vary a single vibration. They are steady—constant—reliable—and cannot be an accident of nature that just “happens” to always turn out exactly the same. God had to < 1196448970 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : design the complexity and reliability of these atoms. No honest mind can believe otherwise. <<< i guess my mind is dishonest for crying "CA" out loud < 1196448978 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops, longer paste than i thought < 1196449004 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Yeah, that in particular left me going "Uhh, what?" < 1196449063 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1196449076 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1196449105 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@209.248.125.179 JOIN :#esoteric < 1196449112 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi pikhq, long time no see < 1196449115 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Eh, "evolution" pretty much has two meanings, at least." Yes: The real meaning, and what these idiots have decided to interpret it as. < 1196449140 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So "mankind evolved from something else" is not a real meaning of "evolution"? < 1196449206 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can determine that evolution happens purely philosophically < 1196449207 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's quite possibly the worst of them all. < 1196449215 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a conclusion based on the definition of evolution. < 1196449238 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there meanings other than "things evolve" and "mankind evolved from something else"? < 1196449269 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Mankind evolved from something else" is not a meaning of "evolution." < 1196449348 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... i don't really see how there are two meanings either < 1196449421 0 :BoredCollegeGuy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd recommend the following video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcAq9bmCeR0 < 1196449426 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evolution is change over time. That is, evolution is the derivative of state. Natural selection is the process by which biological organisms evolve in a nonrandom way. < 1196449438 0 :BoredCollegeGuy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a rather computer sciencey approach to evolution. < 1196449458 0 :BoredCollegeGuy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude use genetic algorithms to evolve a clock from its components. < 1196449503 0 :BoredCollegeGuy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uses, even. < 1196449704 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahahah, I love the "mating" clocks animation :P < 1196449739 0 :DocWilco!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also a guy who experimented with evolution & natural selection of ICs < 1196449778 0 :DocWilco!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one experiment eventually resulted in a circuit that did exactly what it had to, and noone could explain how it did it < 1196449938 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1196450191 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's usually how genetic algorithms work :P < 1196450207 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just like lifeforms, the resulting algorithms are so complex you can only say "Uhhh ... it works for some reason." < 1196450671 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DocWilco: do you have a link of any kind? < 1196450810 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ponders chemistry simulation < 1196450819 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Biochemistry simulation, that is. < 1196450857 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, in order for chemistry to work, you have to have some type of energy storage. < 1196450938 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A nice non-chemical way to store energy is temperature differences, so the "sun" could be replaced with a hot thing and a cold thing. < 1196450959 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wewt i has some monies!! < 1196450998 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say that everything that hits the cold thing bounces back with half as much kinetic energy, and everything that hits the hot thing bounces back with more energy according to the amount of energy lost to the cold thing. < 1196451047 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the environment isn't quite ideal, organisms need to be able to separate themselves from it, so make it possible to build walls of some sort. < 1196451128 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RNA can perform many functions, so maybe we should have nucleotides as atoms. < 1196451405 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would "warm things" be constantly bouncing from somewhere to keep the buzz going? < 1196451419 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, not sure what you are aiming for with this < 1196451529 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No; there'd be a perpetual source of coldness and a perpetual source of heat. < 1196451553 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to think of a biochemistry model that might produce "life". < 1196451662 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really, temperature differences aren't a very convenient way to power things. Some type of chemical energy would be better. < 1196451735 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds interesting < 1196451738 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have some charged atoms and some "bubbles" in a two-to-one ratio and say that every bubble must contain at least two of these charged atoms at all time, and make bubbles not collide with anything. < 1196451778 0 :DocWilco!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: hang on < 1196451788 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a positive-positive bubble comes near a negative-negative bubble, they'll come into contact and maybe turn into two positive-negative bubbles going faster. < 1196451811 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, where does the sign come from < 1196451832 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1196451835 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :charged atoms < 1196451857 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you'd specify what that means later, but charged does indeed already have a meaning < 1196451885 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, make it so that bubbles collide with bubbles if they come into contact at a low enough speed. < 1196451902 0 :DocWilco!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: http://www.cogs.susx.ac.uk/users/adrianth/ade.html < 1196451921 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they can attach to each other, and then later blow apart, makes it much more interesting < 1196451938 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That way, you'll be able to have solid chunks of positive-positive and negative-negative that can ignite and explode. < 1196451946 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup, that's what this would do. < 1196451990 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this would be proving abiogenesis, of course < 1196452001 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess so. < 1196452023 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The clock video was sort of the same thing, since the original things weren't working clocks. < 1196452027 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think experiments have been as successful with that as they've been with evolution < 1196452042 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, not exactly < 1196452061 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the clocks had reproduction built in. < 1196452072 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem with abiogenesis is we need the mutation and elimination systems to evolve without *any* system < 1196452088 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is essentially randomly choosing possibilities < 1196452152 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and which is why abiogenesis might well be beyond our limits as we lack the million supercomputers it might need < 1196452263 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i actually kinda lost my interest after i realized that.. :\ < 1196452286 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rekindle it with your big words, ihope! < 1196452291 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1196452302 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bigger! < 1196452307 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We can start simple and work our way up from there! < 1196452325 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We can prove abiogenesis one piece at a time so the times are added instead of multiplied! < 1196452346 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, true < 1196452356 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know. Prove that very simple particles can make useful particles, then prove that these useful particles can make useful mechanisms, then prove that these useful mechanisms can make a cell. < 1196452375 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i know what you mean < 1196452388 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elimination is what happens when the energy source is overutilized, yes? < 1196452393 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought of that too, although unlike you, didn't realize right away it would be awesome :P < 1196452401 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sebbu < 1196452401 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1196452435 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elimination shouldn't really be coded in any explicit way < 1196452442 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1196452454 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph, had "in in" there, thought it was a typo :P < 1196452459 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"coded in in any" < 1196452468 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still means the same thing. < 1196452496 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, really, simulating particles bouncing off each other and all would be kind of computationally intensive, wouldn't it? < 1196452518 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have a continuous world, definItely < 1196452536 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe we need to come up with a discrete world that can do the same thing. < 1196452579 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keep velocity continuous-ish, but make position discrete, and then have a random chance of moving based on velocity? < 1196452585 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, as WOLFRAM, MY IDOL demonstrated in A New Kind of Science, discrete worlds with may particles can produce continuous-like behaviour < 1196452591 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*many < 1196452604 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I need a copy of NKOS. < 1196452646 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, the awesome rate is quite low < 1196452655 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just easy reading, is why i read it < 1196452658 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1196452661 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...and the ca's <3 < 1196452673 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you could just describe how this discrete-continuous stuff would work? < 1196452745 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, first of all, isn't the general view on the real world nowadays that it's discrete? < 1196452804 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's say you just have simple evolution rules, you can have growth and movement in some fraction of that evolution's speed < 1196452835 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is just like the real world works, a maximum speed (overall evolution speed of the underlying ca) < 1196452844 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, what's required for life seems to be the big problem. < 1196452860 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that was just a proof-ish, that it's possible < 1196452869 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :proof-ish-ish, i just mean, of course it's possible < 1196452895 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if we want it to actually work == something actually happens every step, i guess there might have to be a velocity of some sort < 1196452901 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suppose we make our universe a cellular automaton. Essentially, the goal of an organism is to occupy as much space as possible. < 1196452917 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1196452954 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To achieve this goal, organisms that are unfit have to die. < 1196452998 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The game of Go is not life; a group can become immortal. But I do like the basic mechanic. < 1196453010 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now we'd prolly like to somehow consider a pack of particles an "object", so that there is clear attachment, since with a really simple rule, there won't really be "creatures", and most likely it will either die out, or some simple structure will fill the screen < 1196453019 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1196453039 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem with CA, I guess, is that there might be a simple "crystal" that is the fittest possible arrangement. < 1196453057 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is what you said, really. < 1196453065 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, this is why we want particles to be able to attach in a somewhat explicit way < 1196453076 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not let particles just multiply like that. < 1196453097 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make there be entropy, which destroys things? < 1196453100 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can assume that if a certain praticle has evolved, it can have been evolved any number of times, right? < 1196453115 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess so; I'm not sure what you mean. < 1196453157 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bleh, the particle system is such an easy way to create energy and entropy :-) < 1196453181 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :energy particles floating around? < 1196453192 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, temperature differences. < 1196453202 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is that will be exhausted < 1196453206 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1196453211 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not if you have a cold well and a hot well. < 1196453267 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which probably isn't the right source of the word "well".) < 1196453273 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true, but what would they do exactly? create new particles or give the old ones energy? < 1196453276 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@209.248.125.179 JOIN :#esoteric < 1196453300 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Giving the old ones energy would make them temperature wells; creating and destroying particles would make them pressure wells. < 1196453321 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess pressure differences are also a form of energy. < 1196453396 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, i like the idea of a well making new particles, and another one destroying them; every creature would try to keep near the creator to avoid death < 1196453397 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1196453421 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting idea. < 1196453451 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a discrete simulation of water flowing against a wall, it created the same kind of vortexes real water does < 1196453459 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although vortex isn't prolly the right word < 1196453484 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't think of a better one, though isn't the plural "vortices"? < 1196453497 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyhow, something like that well idea, i thinks, might be better than an explicit algorithm for extracting the bad eggs < 1196453509 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not according to my type checker < 1196453525 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wrote vortices first, it was underlined red < 1196453530 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. < 1196453553 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On Google, "vortices" is more common. < 1196453583 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both are okay < 1196453604 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A simple criterion for reproduction is for particles to be able to make other particles more like themselves. < 1196453605 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should know that ;=) < 1196453637 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, indeed, we are trying to get them to reproduce without external help, not to make a normal evulotion simulator < 1196453647 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :evu-lotion < 1196453656 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Skin care product. < 1196453687 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could do with some, my evu hurts like hell < 1196453848 0 :RedDak!n=dak@87.6.86.131 JOIN :#esoteric < 1196453924 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, energy sources have to be used up slowly. < 1196453996 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If this universe weren't like that, everything would undergo a tremendous nuclear explosion and turn into iron or something. < 1196454038 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wants to go hitchhiking < 1196454053 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we could have "organism" defined in the beginning of the simulation, but nothing resembling evolution; basically that would mean creating absolutely random thingies, and hope they'd start reproducing slow enough not to die because of lack of energy, but fast enough to take over the world < 1196454085 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: move to finland, and i'll take you to the mountains < 1196454087 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ideally, the numbers would swiftly go toward optimum. < 1196454113 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: cool :D < 1196454124 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... i guess we could use evolution to create evolution :P < 1196454135 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evolve evolution? < 1196454143 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how feasable would it be for someone who only speaks english to travel alone? < 1196454170 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that wouldn't really be cheating, just making finding a reproducing creature faster < 1196454171 0 :BoredCollegeGuy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :travel where? < 1196454183 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: in findland? < 1196454186 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*finland < 1196454187 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yeah < 1196454211 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or other parts of europe < 1196454235 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hard to find a finn without enough english skills to be able to have a casual conversation < 1196454263 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in france of germany... uh, learn french and german < 1196454304 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not casual... that's not the word i'm looking for, i mean, pretty much everyone has a basic understanding of english < 1196454332 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least that's my experience, i do tend to overestimate people's skills < 1196454362 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is it possible to go without knowing another language? < 1196454366 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*in europe < 1196454421 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd say scandinavia, not france and germany, and i don't really know about the others. < 1196454425 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :England? < 1196454442 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course england, but who wants to go to england? < 1196454446 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps < 1196454446 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1196454515 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, actually, i think you can get along pretty much anywhere < 1196454557 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except france, according to what i've heard, which of course must be true, almost no one knows any english there < 1196454560 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm semiseriously thinking about traveling in europe this summer with some people from school < 1196454561 0 :BoredCollegeGuy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I lived in europe for a while. about 70-80% of the population I encountered understood english well enough for most things. < 1196454578 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BoredCollegeGuy: where? < 1196454646 0 :BoredCollegeGuy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :germany. < 1196454654 0 :BoredCollegeGuy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :three years about a decade ago. < 1196454798 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't met that many germans, was more concentrated on the fact i was allowed to buy beer < 1196454804 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, when i was there < 1196454843 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you probably speak like 6 languages, right? < 1196454849 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the chicks we stayed with may have been bad specimens, since i could easily correct their one of their's german test < 1196454857 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and my german skills are average. < 1196454866 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: sorry, still just 4 ;) < 1196454883 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :close enough < 1196454911 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was gonna learn lojban by christmas, but 1. you may not consider it a language 2. i'm pretty sure i'm gonna fail. < 1196454930 0 :BoredCollegeGuy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw. no unambiguity for you. < 1196454930 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: in france people now english and other languages if you try to speak french but fail < 1196454933 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recently learned my grampa speaks like 6 languages and i was O.o < 1196454938 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you don't even try they just speak french < 1196454940 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since i've stopped actively learning it < 1196454943 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::<< < 1196454979 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learning a language in a month, eh? When did you make this plan to learn it by Christmas? < 1196455004 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take it you're no Daniel Tammet at learning languages. < 1196455062 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i made it at the end of the summer; learning it in a month would be easy if i didn't have irc, school and band practise like 4 days a week. < 1196455074 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :daniel tammet? < 1196455239 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, icelandic in a week? if i could do that, i'd learned every major language already < 1196455244 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*have < 1196455685 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With all this speak of learning Lojban in a month, why is Spanish a four-year program at my high school? :-P < 1196455746 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, Langton's loops are certainly a realization of a blueprint replicator, but I don't think many would argue that they're intelligent. < 1196455800 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because 1. most people don't have a memorization system, and no such thing is taught at school; learning by example is slow 2. people study a few hours a feek < 1196455802 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*week < 1196455847 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are 24 hours a day, and that talk about only 4 hours of learning per day being possible i declare utter bullshit without any justification. < 1196455869 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Memorization system? < 1196455992 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1196456019 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like flash cards? < 1196456042 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. The kind you plug into a computer and/or your brain. < 1196456106 0 :SEO_DUDE!i=Deee@gateway/tor/x-d79b6979c9b3d2e8 JOIN :#esoteric < 1196456118 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :flash cards are an external system, that can help the learning process, but you actually need to know how to efficiently peggify every bit of new information internally, to actually be able to learn words quickly < 1196456131 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :peggify == create a memory peg you won't easily forget. < 1196456146 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please teach us, o master. < 1196456179 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd gladly do that, if i'd succeeded in this myself. < 1196456228 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know some of the systems used for memorization, but i haven't really tested them much < 1196456261 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some require a lot of work to get to work. < 1196456292 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting. < 1196456315 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did learn a card deck memorization technique to some extent, was able to learn 20 cards in order in about 4 minutes < 1196456359 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately i get very paranoid when memorizing, since if i hate it when i fail; it's very displeasing at first... < 1196456367 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoope < 1196456372 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*i hate it if i fail < 1196456394 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err... goddammit < 1196456398 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-if < 1196456408 0 :BoredCollegeGuy!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1196456410 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Irony (n) i-ro-ny: This conversation. < 1196456421 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1196456422 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why's that < 1196456452 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many times did you have to correct your statement that you hate it /when/ you fail? ^^ < 1196456469 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would have to say you /fail/ed to get it right in the first place :P < 1196456500 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant when my memory fails, but i guess you have a point < 1196456546 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really care if i fail at typing < 1196456549 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Joke (n) jo-ke: Something which oklopol will ruin through overexamination. < 1196456563 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, this is usually intentional < 1196456567 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1196456594 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even though i always do that, and often show no signs of it, i never get it when others do it. < 1196456619 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I GUESS YOU GOTTA BE A SWAN TO KNOW A SWAN < 1196456658 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhh, i need coffee... < 1196458186 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1196458189 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1196460960 0 :ololobot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1196461034 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1196461072 0 :oklopol!n=ville@194.251.103.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1196461722 0 :RedDak!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1196461835 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1196461842 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1196462253 0 :Tritonio_!n=Tritonio@150.140.227.188 JOIN :#esoteric < 1196464236 0 :SEO_DUDE!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1196465549 0 :SEO_DUDE!i=Deee@gateway/tor/x-397020671e3fb349 JOIN :#esoteric < 1196466754 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)