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00:15:53 <oklopol> going to sleep, most likely ->
00:20:40 <Slereah-> Hope it is, 'cause it works now.
00:22:04 <pikhq> oklopol: Indeed, PEBBLE is written in Tcl.
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06:17:33 <immibis> i see Freenode truncates messages to 511 bytes, including the IRC command part (:Whatever!n=Whatever@Wherever.com PRIVMSG #Channel :)
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06:17:42 <immibis> IRSSI has a buffer overflow at 512 bytes.
06:18:28 <immibis> quite possible 512 bytes, including NUL terminator
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06:19:06 <immibis> i sent a string of w's to myself, added the IRC command that isn't displayed on the screen and counted them (not myself, i got the computer to do it)
06:19:30 <immibis> the buffer irssi uses is 512 bytes long.
06:19:43 <immibis> i wonder if other networks use the same amount.
06:19:59 <faxathisia> I think that 512 is specified in the IRC RFC[s]
06:21:42 <immibis> undernet limits it to 511.
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06:23:02 <immibis> that is the first time i have been navigated away from a page by moving the mouse NEAR an ad, WITHOUT clicking.
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06:34:38 <immibis> http://www.beunited.org/bebook/The%20Kernel%20Kit/System.html
06:34:47 <immibis> look at is_computer_on and is_computer_on_fire
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06:35:39 <immibis> int is_computer_on() {return 1;}
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11:35:29 <oklopol> >>> hf [0] [0] + ||| 2:0 3:0 4:0
11:35:30 <ololobot> [>>+>+<<<-]>>>[-<+>]< ||| 0:0 3:0 4:0
11:36:00 <oklopol> addition of cells 0 and 0 with free cells 2, 3 and 4 with initial values 0, 0 and 0 respectively!
11:36:49 <oklopol> the memory pointer will always be at 0 first, and end where the result is
11:37:11 <oklopol> if you want multiple values on the tape, you need to get your hands on the id_stack, which i'm not printing now
11:37:21 <oklopol> since no one is prolly that interested
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12:27:35 <oklopol> >>> bf ;[>>+>+<<<-]>>>[-<+>]<: <<< 8
12:27:49 <oklopol> could you please behold a bit? :\
12:27:58 <oklopol> it was almost a THREE-HOUR job :o
12:28:53 <oklopol> >>> hf [0] [1] [0] [1] / * - ||| 2:0 3:0 4:0 5:0 6:0 7:0
12:28:54 <ololobot> [>>+>+<<<-]>[>>>+>+<<<<-]>>[>>>+<<<-]>>>[<[>>+<<<<<<<+>>>>>-]<<<<<[>>>>>+<<<<<-]>>>>>>>[<<<<<<<+>>>>>>-[<<<<<<[-]>+>>>>>-]<<<<<[>>>>>+<<<<<-]<[>>>>>>>-[<<<<->>>>[-]]+<<<<<<<-]>>>>>>>-]<<<<+>>>]<[-]<[>>>+<<<-]>>>[<<<<[>+>>+<<<-]>>>[<<<+>>>-]>-]<<<<[-]>[-<<->>]<< ||| 0:0 1:0 3:0 4:0 5:0 6:0 7:0
12:29:30 <oklopol> >>> bf ;>;<[>>+>+<<<-]>[>>>+>+<<<<-]>>[>>>+<<<-]>>>[<[>>+<<<<<<<+>>>>>-]<<<<<[>>>>>+<<<<<-]>>>>>>>[<<<<<<<+>>>>>>-[<<<<<<[-]>+>>>>>-]<<<<<[>>>>>+<<<<<-]<[>>>>>>>-[<<<<->>>>[-]]+<<<<<<<-]>>>>>>>-]<<<<+>>>]<[-]<[>>>+<<<-]>>>[<<<<[>+>>+<<<-]>>>[<<<+>>>-]>-]<<<<[-]>[-<<->>]<<: <<< 27 5
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12:53:19 <oklopol> heh, switching to ubuntu from xp has reduced my average uptime by a factor of about 30 :D
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16:51:32 <ais523> what, no bots in the channel except clog and cmeme?
16:53:56 <Slereah-> Well, I could pretend to be one if you want.
16:54:48 <oerjan> Does it please you to pretend to be one if you want?
16:56:57 * ais523 has also loaded up a copy of ELIZZ
16:57:36 <oerjan> Does this have anything to do with your head being about to explode?
16:58:02 <ais523> you got ELIZA to say "I don't understand"
16:58:17 <Slereah-> Well, I guess the two could be related, since my head isn't abut to explode!
16:58:25 <Slereah-> If it was, we would know for sure.
16:59:10 <ais523> I had to program ELIZA-alikes in POP-11 this term, as an intro exercise before moving on to make an expert system
16:59:17 <oerjan> Why do you think if it was?
16:59:51 <ais523> POP-11 is a lousy language; it's trying to be Prolog but fails on most levels
17:00:00 <oerjan> We are discussing you not me.
17:00:06 <ais523> like being an imperative language with subroutine libraries for forward chaining
17:00:24 <ais523> Maybe your plans have something to do with this.
17:01:14 <oerjan> Tell me about your third cousin-in-law twice removed.
17:02:29 <ais523> Is it because of your life that you are going through all this?
17:02:56 <oerjan> Life. Don't talk to me about life.
17:03:59 <ais523> Are you afraid of that?
17:04:05 <oerjan> Here I am, brain the size of a planet.
17:04:23 <ais523> Are you frightened by that?
17:04:29 <oerjan> Why do you want to know?
17:04:46 <ais523> I'll ask the questions, if you don't mind!
17:05:39 <ais523> By the way, I think that "Are you afraid of that?" is one of the better responses to Marvin's famous quote that I've seen, even if it was generated by picking from a list at random
17:06:41 <oerjan> Does this have anything to do with your being an imperative language with subroutine libraries for forward chaining
17:08:05 <ais523> ELIZA says "How do you reconcile the people you hang around with?", so I'll say "No."
17:08:41 <oerjan> Does she often say that?
17:09:18 <ais523> I don't know, I haven't really used her enough
17:09:24 <ais523> I suppose it depends on the implementation
17:10:21 <oerjan> Is it because of your plans have something to do with this you suppose this?
17:10:45 <ais523> I could ask the same thing myself.
17:11:49 <ais523> What makes you believe tell you more?
17:13:07 <oerjan> I'll ask the questions, if you don't mind!
17:14:24 <ais523> Perhaps this has something to do with any hobbies you have?
17:15:38 <ais523> Can you elaborate on that?
17:16:01 <ais523> I see... Well, are you sure that this is so?
17:16:22 <ais523> I would appreciate it if you would continue.
17:17:08 <oerjan> Is it because of the implementation you would appreciate it if I would continue?
17:17:45 * ais523 doesn't like ELIZA's answer to that as being too boring and repetitive, and therefore refuses to repeat it
17:18:03 * ais523 generates another answer:
17:18:05 <ais523> I have asked myself that question many times.
17:18:29 <oerjan> Can you elaborate on that?
17:18:42 <ais523> Go on, don't be afraid.
17:19:32 <ais523> Please, try to answer that question yourself.
17:19:45 <oerjan> No, I'm a frayed knot.
17:20:01 <ais523> Do you really think you are a frayed knot?
17:20:23 <oerjan> We are discussing you not me.
17:21:30 <ais523> My secretary will send you a bill.
17:22:33 <oerjan> You will hear from my lawyer.
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17:24:33 * oerjan wonders if there is an eliza lookalike contest...
17:25:38 <ais523> there is a very funny transcript somewhere (I read it in a book, I'm not sure if it's on the Internet) of when Douglas Hofstadter was asked to test a new AI program to see how human-like it was
17:26:00 <ais523> it was actually a bunch of students pretending to be a computer pretending to be a human
17:27:09 * ais523 is busy writing INTERCAL documentation
17:27:15 <ais523> it's been my major project over the last few days
17:28:01 <ais523> although I was pretty shocked when I tried apt-cache search intercal halfway through a sentence and got 2 results
17:28:24 <ais523> one was CLC-INTERCAL (Debian package clc-intercal), and the other was C-INTERCAL (Debian package intercal)
17:28:42 <ais523> and more shocked this morning to find out that they were maintained and had bug trackers which were sometimes even used
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18:16:05 <oklopol> okay, this was a bit ridiculous, an hour of debugging because i used two nested loops with the same iterator xD
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18:19:19 <oklopol> >>> hf [0] [1] [0] [1] / * - ||| 2:0 3:0 4:0 5:0 6:0
18:19:19 <ololobot_> [>>+>+<<<-]>[>>>+>+<<<<-]>>[>>>+<<<-]>>>[<[<<<<<+>+>>>>-]<<<<[>>>>+<<<<-]<[>+>>>>>-[<<<<<[-]>>>>>+-][+-]<<<<<[<-[>>>-<<<[-]]+>-]<-]>>>+>>>]<[-]<[<<<<+>>>>-]<<<<[>>>[>+>>+<<<-]>>>[<<<+>>>-]<<<<<<-]>>>[-]>[-<<->>]<< ||| 0:0 1:0 3:0 4:0 5:0 6:0
18:19:40 <oklopol> >>> bf ;>;<[>>+>+<<<-]>[>>>+>+<<<<-]>>[>>>+<<<-]>>>[<[<<<<<+>+>>>>-]<<<<[>>>>+<<<<-]<[>+>>>>>-[<<<<<[-]>>>>>+-][+-]<<<<<[<-[>>>-<<<[-]]+>-]<-]>>>+>>>]<[-]<[<<<<+>>>>-]<<<<[>>>[>+>>+<<<-]>>>[<<<+>>>-]<<<<<<-]>>>[-]>[-<<->>]<<* <<< 27 5
18:25:43 <oklopol> oh... it needs 6 free cells, or it produces an infinite loop xD
18:25:57 <oklopol> perhaps i should make it complain in such a case..
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18:31:45 <oklopol> i guess i'll try one more time :)
18:31:53 <oklopol> >>> hf [0] [1] [0] [1] / * - ||| 2:0 3:0 4:0 5:0 6:0 7:0
18:31:53 <ololobot__> [>>+>+<<<-]>[>>>+>+<<<<-]>>[>>>+<<<-]>>>[<[>>+<<<<<<<+>>>>>-]<<<<<[>>>>>+<<<<<-]>>>>>>>[<<<<<<<+>>>>>>-[<<<<<<[-]>+>>>>>-]<<<<<[>>>>>+<<<<<-]<[>>>>>>>-[<<<<->>>>[-]]+<<<<<<<-]>>>>>>>-]<<<<+>>>]<[-]<[>>>+<<<-]>>>[<<<<[>+>>+<<<-]>>>[<<<+>>>-]>-]<<<<[-]>[-<<->>]<< ||| 0:0 1:0 3:0 4:0 5:0 6:0 7:0
18:32:15 <oklopol> >>> bf ;>;<[>>+>+<<<-]>[>>>+>+<<<<-]>>[>>>+<<<-]>>>[<[>>+<<<<<<<+>>>>>-]<<<<<[>>>>>+<<<<<-]>>>>>>>[<<<<<<<+>>>>>>-[<<<<<<[-]>+>>>>>-]<<<<<[>>>>>+<<<<<-]<[>>>>>>>-[<<<<->>>>[-]]+<<<<<<<-]>>>>>>>-]<<<<+>>>]<[-]<[>>>+<<<-]>>>[<<<<[>+>>+<<<-]>>>[<<<+>>>-]>-]<<<<[-]>[-<<->>]<<* <<< 27 5
18:32:19 <oklopol> >>> bf ;>;<[>>+>+<<<-]>[>>>+>+<<<<-]>>[>>>+<<<-]>>>[<[>>+<<<<<<<+>>>>>-]<<<<<[>>>>>+<<<<<-]>>>>>>>[<<<<<<<+>>>>>>-[<<<<<<[-]>+>>>>>-]<<<<<[>>>>>+<<<<<-]<[>>>>>>>-[<<<<->>>>[-]]+<<<<<<<-]>>>>>>>-]<<<<+>>>]<[-]<[>>>+<<<-]>>>[<<<<[>+>>+<<<-]>>>[<<<+>>>-]>-]<<<<[-]>[-<<->>]<<* <<< 27 3
18:32:24 <oklopol> >>> bf ;>;<[>>+>+<<<-]>[>>>+>+<<<<-]>>[>>>+<<<-]>>>[<[>>+<<<<<<<+>>>>>-]<<<<<[>>>>>+<<<<<-]>>>>>>>[<<<<<<<+>>>>>>-[<<<<<<[-]>+>>>>>-]<<<<<[>>>>>+<<<<<-]<[>>>>>>>-[<<<<->>>>[-]]+<<<<<<<-]>>>>>>>-]<<<<+>>>]<[-]<[>>>+<<<-]>>>[<<<<[>+>>+<<<-]>>>[<<<+>>>-]>-]<<<<[-]>[-<<->>]<<* <<< 27 7
18:33:14 <oklopol> i actually have no idea why it doesn't work given just 5 free cells :)
18:33:31 <oklopol> >>> hf [0] [1] * ||| 2:0 3:0
18:33:31 <ololobot__> [>>>+<<<-]>>>[<<[<+>>+<-]>[<+>-]>-]<<[-]< ||| 1:0 2:0 3:0
18:33:34 <oklopol> >>> hf [0] [1] * ||| 2:3 3:0
18:33:35 <ololobot__> >>---<<[>>>+<<<-]>>>[<<[<+>>+<-]>[<+>-]>-]<<[-]< ||| 1:0 2:3 3:0
18:33:48 <oklopol> >>> hf [0] [1] * ||| 2:* 3:*
18:33:48 <ololobot__> >>[-]>[-]<<<[>>>+<<<-]>>>[<<[<+>>+<-]>[<+>-]>-]<<[-]< ||| 1:0 2:None 3:None
18:34:01 <oklopol> you can specify any initial value, or * for unknown
18:35:18 <oklopol> >>> hf [0] [1] * ||| 2:* 3:*
18:35:18 <ololobot__> >>[-]>[-]<<<[>>>+<<<-]>>>[<<[<+>>+<-]>[<+>-]>-]<<[-]< ||| 1:0 2:* 3:*
18:36:40 <oklopol> i need to add threading...
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18:38:03 <oklopol> >>> hf [0] [0] - ||| 1:0 2:0
18:38:11 <oklopol> it needs two cells for the copying
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21:41:33 <oklopol> you know you should do less unlambda, when you find yourself writing a story about an S-combinator.
21:41:46 <oklopol> the story is a bit tragic :'(
21:42:12 <Slereah-> Does the bird get combined at the end?
21:43:17 <oklopol> hehe, K combinators are the sex-crazed ones
21:43:34 <oklopol> S-combinators' urges are mainly to make others populate
21:44:43 * Slereah- wants to do sum sort of combinatory program
21:44:50 <oklopol> the one doing the combination isn't killed in the process in my story, since that would ruin the story
21:44:55 <Slereah-> But with all them birds from "To mock a mockingbird"
21:45:09 <oklopol> but K's indeed have the power to kill
21:45:32 <Slereah-> Don't use too many I's. Make the story repetitive.
21:45:34 <oklopol> V's are sooo self-centered
21:46:14 <oklopol> and then there's the C's, the poets with the ability to seize the day
21:47:06 <Slereah-> Good. Right now, that arrow points to your name. But not anymore once I enter this text!
21:49:03 <oklopol> the combinators are physical entities inside a computer, actually, i needed some way to have some kind of a world for them to live in
21:49:23 <oklopol> he goes to school by traversing a linked list xD
21:49:42 <oklopol> god this story is stupid :P
21:49:56 <Slereah-> But it was for mathematical concepts.
21:50:12 <Slereah-> Combinators were used in the mythological creation of the world.
21:50:34 <Slereah-> It was a giant Turing machine elsewhere.
21:51:18 <Slereah-> I had stupid concepts for this, like the deontal logic statements were religious nuts and such.
21:51:34 <oklopol> i've been thinking, have you seen those shows where they show, like, blood cells as people, walking down the veins
21:51:50 <oklopol> the same for mathematical concepts would be so awesome :D
21:52:03 <Slereah-> There was some cartoon like that.
21:52:11 <Slereah-> But well, it was at a kid level.
21:52:17 <oklopol> well, sounds familiar, i just remember there was something Il etait'ish in the beginning
21:52:23 <oklopol> well, kid level exactly :D
21:52:37 <Slereah-> http://animeguides.free.fr/series/multoches/multoches.jpg
21:52:41 <Slereah-> http://animeguides.free.fr/series/multoches/multoches2.jpg
21:53:20 <Slereah-> I think I remember the last episode, where they try to go t INFINITY
21:53:26 <Slereah-> But there isn't enough numbers!
21:53:41 <oklopol> oh, a cartoon like what i said :o
21:53:47 <oklopol> oh my god, i gotta see that :D
21:53:57 <Slereah-> good luck. Can't find it online.
21:54:08 <oklopol> oh, kid level, you mean taught trivial stuff
21:54:17 <oklopol> i was thinking more computer sciencey
21:54:53 <Slereah-> Well, plenty of cartoons where people are in a computer.
21:54:59 <Slereah-> But it's not very educational usually!
21:55:43 <Slereah-> "To mock a mockingbird" has some sort of story, with combinators as birds.
21:56:06 <oklopol> where have these great things been hiding :\
21:56:25 <Slereah-> Well, the story is pretty much a pretext to teach about combinators.
21:56:40 <Slereah-> (This is why I always refer to combinators as bird)
21:56:59 <Slereah-> http://www.angelfire.com/tx4/cus/combinator/birds.html
22:03:39 <oklopol> that's all you need baby ;)
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22:26:11 <ehird`> it's closer to common lisp than scheme
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