00:06:40 <immibis> you have more memory than i probably will for a long time.
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01:08:20 <GregorR> immibis: I have no issues, it's OpenSolaris that has the problems :P
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04:10:36 <oklopol> i feel a bit unreal right now
04:23:08 <GregorR> Quote random guy at Fred Meyer as I try to buy RAM: "Wow, that's an old system."
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11:17:08 <Figs> anyone alive today? :)
11:19:41 <Figs> What's going on?
11:21:20 <Figs> I'm substantially bored.
11:21:40 <Figs> I just wrote a hexadecimal addition trainer, I was so bored...
11:22:07 <Asztal> somebody kill me, I'm starting to write stuff you'd see in java! :(
11:22:17 <Asztal> factories of factories...
11:22:34 * Figs drops a factory on Asztal
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11:41:20 <oklopol> Figs: you were correct, i completely forgot
11:52:50 <Figs> forgot to play my music still? :(
11:56:56 <oklopol> always nice to be able to continue a two-month-old conversation without any warning though
12:01:24 <Figs> actually, could you send me back the song I sent you?
12:01:35 <Figs> I don't think I have it after my computer died...
12:03:59 <oklopol> well, as a matter of fact i'm in a similar situation
12:04:40 <Asztal> http://golf.shinh.org/p.rb?edlin < that's quite useful actually, since my OS doesn't have an edlin :)
12:05:59 <oklopol> anagram for "line d", which is a sex position
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13:07:49 <Figs> I didn't know you could have _negative_ bases for counting...
13:08:35 <Figs> (ie, you have binary = base 2, decimal= base 10, hexadecimal= base 16... etc. normally, right? Well, you can have also have base -10 :P)
13:08:49 <Figs> The first couple numbers go...
13:09:11 <Asztal> the columns are 0.001 0.01 0.1 1?
13:09:25 <Figs> 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,190,191,192,193,194,195,196,197,198,199,180...
13:09:33 <Figs> (for base -10)
13:09:52 <Figs> transcendental bases? :P
13:10:07 <slereah_> Base pi is possible, though I wouldn't advise it
13:10:28 <Figs> Knuth did something with base pi...
13:11:33 <Asztal> so in base 2i... 101101 is 61-8i
13:11:56 <slereah_> I'll have to trust you on that one.
13:12:04 <graue> what's 2 in base pi?
13:12:30 <Asztal> I used 64 -32i 16 -8i -4 2i 1 as the columns, but that leaves the problem of how to represent 2
13:12:39 <Asztal> maybe -i in the second column
13:15:12 <Asztal> oh, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quater-imaginary_base
13:16:11 <Asztal> (it uses digits 0 to 3)
13:16:43 <slereah_> And me trying to work some sort of converging serie out of -4+16-something+something
13:17:46 <Asztal> oh, 101101 should have been -67-8i, I think
13:18:46 <Figs> wouldn't 2 in base pi just be 2?
13:19:08 <Figs> The real question is what is 4? :P
13:20:23 <Asztal> oh, sorry, was thinking in 2i :(
13:22:42 <Asztal> the golden ratio base has some interesting properties
13:27:03 <Figs> http://programming.reddit.com/info/66138/comments/
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13:55:48 <Figs> Gah -- evil wikipedia... now I'm reading about ternary computing. Those bases really got me off track...
13:58:05 <Figs> @asiekierka: I have no idea. Looks interesting though.
13:58:35 <asiekierka> 1) A very, VERY techy information piece, describing the lang in a way too techy
13:58:49 <asiekierka> http://catseye.tc/projects/alpaca/doc/ebnf.txt
13:59:09 <asiekierka> 2) Something non-techy, has some interesting pieces of stuff
13:59:09 <asiekierka> http://scienceblogs.com/goodmath/2006/10/a_metalanguage_for_pathologica.php
14:01:31 <Figs> Oh heck, if you've got the grammar for it... :)
14:02:15 <asiekierka> I think somebody should make the first link a tutorial
14:04:11 <asiekierka> The first example is Game of Life, the second is WireWorld, the third is Braktif, a BF cellular automation
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14:04:46 <Figs> am I still figs?
14:05:06 <Figs> I think I just killed myself :P
14:07:31 <Figs> I think that link is wirth syntax notation
14:08:07 <Figs> I'm not really used to it, but I found a nice wikipedia article ^_^
14:08:15 <Figs> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wirth_syntax_notation
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14:10:16 <Figs> Afaict, it looks like you just have a bunch of "entries" seperated by ; and ending with .
14:10:46 <Figs> where an "entry" is either a class or a state
14:11:29 <Figs> so, something like
14:12:29 <Figs> I don't get what the deal with the "state designators" are
14:12:57 <Figs> oh wait, it's for CA, right?
14:13:05 <Figs> so, moving around on the board???
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14:16:03 <Figs> I think I get the basic syntax, but I don't really know what it means
14:20:06 <Figs> what is "3 Alive and 7 dead"?
14:20:28 <Figs> I'm looking at this: http://catseye.tc/projects/alpaca/doc/alpaca.html
14:21:41 <Figs> I can't type :P
14:22:09 <Figs> so what is 4 alive or 7 dead?
14:22:14 <asiekierka> so if a cell "*" is surrounded by 3 "*"s and 5 " "s, something happens
14:22:35 <asiekierka> 4 alive or 7 dead is when a cell "*" is surrounded by 4 "*"s or 7 " "s
14:23:24 <Figs> I think I get it now
14:23:46 <asiekierka> state Dead is a dead cell in Game of Life
14:23:50 <oklopol> asiekierka: that this describing the lang in a "way too techy" is just the syntax as a bnf
14:24:03 <Figs> oklopol -- that's not bnf
14:24:18 <Figs> I'm pretty sure it's wsn
14:24:48 <Figs> It uses {} for repetition and [] for optional
14:24:54 <Figs> which, IIRC wasn't in BNF
14:25:16 <Figs> I admit it's been a while though
14:26:10 <oklopol> Figs: i usually say bnf for cfg
14:26:52 <Figs> well, close enough for rocket science I guess :P
14:27:32 <Figs> that's what it stands for, but it's read differently
14:28:12 <Figs> at least, it's different for me :)
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14:28:49 <Figs> I don't usually see {} for repetition and [] for optional, so it threw me...
14:29:30 <Figs> looking at wikipedia for EBNF shows that basically it's WSN (ie, wirth did his thing and it looks like they just changed the name to confuse me)
14:31:03 <asiekierka> Figs, do you want to do anything in ALPACA?
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14:31:29 <Figs> I've never done anything in ALPACA
14:31:39 <Figs> it just kinda looked interesting when you brought it up :)
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14:31:52 <asiekierka> I'm working on a datastream automation
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14:32:36 <Figs> I don't really know much about CA
14:32:43 <Figs> so probably not
14:32:54 <Figs> I'm actually going to go to bed soon
14:32:57 <Figs> sun's comming up
14:33:19 <Figs> I might try it some day if I get bored :)
14:35:05 <oklopol> i'm currently trying to turn my sleep cycle back to normal
14:35:16 <oklopol> slept 0 hours the other night, 3 hours tonight
14:35:30 <oklopol> my usual amount is near 10
14:35:39 <Asztal> actually, I managed it recently... by sleeping for 21 hours
14:35:53 <oklopol> that's a much better way than mine
14:36:42 <oklopol> anyone happen to know what protocol vlc uses for network streaming
14:38:18 <Figs> @asiekiera: Datastream automation?
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14:47:46 <Figs> I should really learn pygame...
14:48:29 <Figs> get some good graphics programming... and rewrite my old logic gate thing
14:52:59 <Figs> I wrote this weird little logic gate system that'd randomly configure a board of logic functions (like and, not, or ... etc) and jumbled the connections
14:53:25 <Figs> it was really amazing how quickly cycles came up
14:54:52 <Figs> I wonder if you could actually represent that using more traditional logic methods? hmm
14:55:38 <oklopol> for last occurrance of "that"
14:55:41 <Figs> which kind of loops
14:56:02 <Figs> I mean the logic gate system
14:56:14 <Figs> since it can feed back into itself
14:56:30 <oklopol> so you mean "loops" with "that".
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14:56:42 <Figs> I thought you mean the other sort of loops
14:56:44 <Figs> ie, the cycles
14:57:01 <Figs> I'm talking about two kinds of loops :)
14:57:09 <Figs> one is the representation on the board
14:57:19 <Figs> ie a -> b -> c -> a
14:57:24 <Figs> and one is in time
14:57:54 <Figs> ie, (a,b,c,d) are in some particular state at one point, and n steps later, then return to that state
14:58:08 <Figs> (each is either on or off)
14:58:17 <oklopol> well, cycles => loops, trivially
14:58:25 <oklopol> loops => cycles, trivially
14:59:25 <oklopol> anyhow, you can represent a feedback loop as a recursive equation i guess
14:59:57 <asiekierka> I have some kind of a code that LOOKS good
15:00:03 <oklopol> although i don't think that's strictly traditional logic
15:00:31 <Figs> (or insert pastebin of your choice for rafb)
15:01:24 <oklopol> pb.vjn.fi is pretty short, and i just made it 10% more efficient today!
15:01:45 <Figs> is that a url? :p
15:02:09 <Figs> it looks like random characters :P
15:03:26 <oklopol> had to take .fi, .com is so cheap it's not cool :\
15:04:01 <asiekierka> i'll seriously take a website "http://why.fi/"
15:04:14 <asiekierka> One of the funniest and noobiest members of a community i'm in
15:04:18 <oklopol> .fi is a lot more expensive than .com
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15:04:49 <tejeez> and it's available only for finns
15:04:57 <asiekierka> anybody knows WHAT THE HELL is with my alpaca code?
15:06:34 <oklopol> can't deduce alpaca's semantics from that, sorry :-)
15:07:27 <Figs> try 'when' instead of 'if'
15:08:11 <Figs> lemme check the grammar again
15:08:22 <Asztal> bah, funge-98 already uses every single printable ascii character :(
15:08:24 <Figs> I'm pretty sure there was no 'if' in it
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15:10:26 <slereah__> http://membres.lycos.fr/bewulf/Russell/Fibo.jpg
15:10:55 <slereah__> It's one of the objectivist mantra
15:11:41 <Figs> 1. X = X (tautology)
15:13:22 <Figs> 2. x -> (x-> y) by substitution
15:14:22 <slereah__> I was trying to make some objectivist jokelang, but it's hard
15:14:36 <slereah__> I don't have any good idea for conditional jump
15:15:14 <Figs> not sure if that's objectivist though :P
15:15:19 <Figs> more like yoda
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15:16:14 <Figs> Is there a 'Zen' esolang yet?
15:16:28 <slereah__> Well, the only nice looking mantras that I have in mind for it are Either-or, non-contradiction, A = A and reality exist
15:16:55 <slereah__> And the idea that started it, AYNRAND()
15:17:39 <slereah__> Ayn Rand being the (manly) woman who started the idea
15:18:27 <Figs> Hey, you know what would be neat?
15:18:32 <Figs> a haiku-based esolang
15:20:40 <Figs> I think the second line needs one more syllable, doesn't it?
15:21:14 <Figs> or am I saying it weird? :P
15:21:18 <oklopol> yeah, that's where the fail was
15:21:42 <oklopol> but english is just weird for having "bike" be a single syllable
15:21:44 <slereah__> It's the biker Haiku at the end of Full Throttle
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15:23:16 <Figs> IF I HAVE FAILED
15:23:24 <Figs> THEN I MUST SURRENDER TO DEATH
15:23:28 <Figs> ELSE PRINT FOURTY-TWO, DUDE.
15:24:15 <Figs> we can make it like COBOL...
15:24:21 <Figs> with way too many words
15:25:27 <Figs> *sigh*, now if I only had a few extra years of free-time and a lot of patience :)
15:26:00 <Figs> hey, holy-crap
15:26:06 <Figs> I just front-paged reddit ^_^
15:26:20 <Figs> the imaginary bases thing caught on
15:27:14 <slereah__> but that never stopped the internet
15:27:15 <oklopol> my native number system was base-7i quaternions
15:29:10 <slereah__> (The Randian language is just a bunch of register starting at 0, a=b increase a if a and b have the same value, go to pass, decrease it else and go to fail)
15:29:22 <slereah__> It's like an objective Minsky machine or something.
15:30:12 <slereah__> Although I still need to find some idea to make the conditional jump in slogan form
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15:32:05 <Figs> I just got the joke!
15:32:41 <Figs> I'm like a million years late, I'm sure...
15:33:15 <Figs> You get it though, right?
15:33:18 <slereah__> But then again, I first head of The art of computer programming a month ago
15:33:30 <Figs> I wonder if that was intentional
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18:01:20 <AnMaster> WEIRD question: Is XSLT turing complete?
18:03:21 <Asztal> http://www.unidex.com/turing/utm.htm
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18:54:04 <Geekthras> Someone had a bf compiler bot in another channel and I was trying to make it do color
18:56:32 <Slereah> I suppose you could just change from ASCII to something else.
18:57:07 <Geekthras> no, I was trying to find the index of the ctrl-k character
18:58:31 <Asztal> I got EgoBot to do colour once, I think. Although it may have been bold.
18:58:44 <Geekthras> I tried 11 but I may have failed...
18:58:45 <Asztal> actually I think it's \003 for colour
18:59:24 <oerjan> of course the channel mustn't be +c for that to work
19:01:38 <AnMaster> I can look up color codes from my bot's code
19:02:20 <AnMaster> http://envbot.org/trac/browser/anmaster-trunk/lib/misc.sh
19:02:25 <AnMaster> several defined in that script
19:03:50 <AnMaster> just output a \007 that would be a \x07 too
19:04:01 <AnMaster> Geekthras, I think all the numbers are in octal
19:04:20 <Geekthras> AnMaster: I meant an IRC bot in bf
19:04:40 <AnMaster> connect input to irc, output to irc
19:04:56 <Geekthras> right, you'd need another language to handle the socketing
19:05:52 <AnMaster> Geekthras, indeed, and I don't use bash for that most time, bash's internal tcp support I can use, but you can load another transport module, like netcat, openssl and so on
19:08:09 <AnMaster> Geekthras, also wrote (a very slow) brainfuck interpreter in bash
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20:16:39 <AnMaster> Geekthras|Busy, http://rage.kuonet.org/~anmaster/bzr/index.py/files/bashfuck/head
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20:17:34 <Geekthras> like http://www.ferrethandjobs.com
20:18:39 <Geekthras> "In other news, it has come to our attention that the domain name "FerrethAndJobs.com" may be misread by some."
20:19:31 <Slereah> speedofart also has a lulz name
20:20:08 <AnMaster> <RodgerTheGreat> that URL makes me smile <-- why?
20:20:22 <AnMaster> well it is the head in the repo
20:20:52 <AnMaster> hm brainbash could have been a better name
20:22:02 <RodgerTheGreat> I partially completed a brainfuck-based robot combat game called "BotFuck", which I found rather clever
20:22:12 <AnMaster> RodgerTheGreat, http://rage.kuonet.org/~anmaster/bzr/index.py/files/bashfuck/41 would work too, as that is last revision
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