< 1200961446 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1200961451 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1200962115 0 :immibis_!n=immibis@125-236-169-77.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1200962136 0 :immibis_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :immibis < 1200963276 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"@+" < 1200963805 0 :Corun!n=Corun@halls-129-31-72-183.hor.ic.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1200963906 0 :Tritonio_!n=Tritonio@150.140.229.77 JOIN :#esoteric < 1200964346 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Arr." < 1200965371 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the "{{},{{}},{{},{{}}},{{},{{}},{{},{{}}}},{{},{{}},{{},{{}}},{{},{{}},{{},{{}}}}}}" for? < 1200965411 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :von neumann numeral 5 < 1200965436 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/numeral/ordinal/, possibly < 1200965478 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. < 1200965491 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's not a cheap knock-off of RETURN? < 1200965534 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. perhaps the other way around... :D < 1200965566 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n+1 = {0,1,...,n} < 1200965572 0 :Tritonio_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1200966031 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you knokw what we mean? < 1200966046 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*need < 1200966056 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a minesweeper unit cell :) < 1200967299 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lisp WTF: progn is a special form, whereas it can be trivially defined as a function < 1200967301 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(defun my-progn (&rest args) (if (endp args) nil (car (last args)))) < 1200967310 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably a reason for it < 1200967388 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's considerably older than the &rest keyword i think < 1200967445 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: this is a good piont < 1200967446 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i vaguely recall originally you could have goto's in it < 1200967447 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*point < 1200967457 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: however, it is still true inthe Common Lisp spec < 1200967465 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which most definately has all that's required for the above < 1200967485 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps you still can have goto's and labels in it < 1200967504 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1200967507 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see: CL hyperspec < 1200967535 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that is: http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/Body/speope_progn.html ) < 1200967540 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1200967543 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are thinking of prog < 1200967544 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not progn < 1200967544 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1200967563 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If progn appears as a top level form, then all forms within that progn are considered by the compiler to be top level forms. ;; maybe this is why it's a special form < 1200967574 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1200967586 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's a pretty bizzare rule < 1200967586 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who uses that? < 1200967596 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's to allow macros to expand to more than one declaration < 1200967600 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh < 1200967607 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i guess nobody uses the 2 roman numeral outputs either, but this IS common lisp) < 1200967615 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vaguely recall that too :) < 1200967622 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(how I long for Scheme to be practical, I do...) < 1200967669 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1200967673 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :emacs' lisp indentation is fuckde < 1200967682 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first term of an IF is indented to the condition but beyond that 2 spaces < 1200967686 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is emacs lisp convention < 1200967689 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because it has an implicit progn) < 1200967870 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1200967874 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SLIME fixes that up nicely. < 1200968095 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly I am the only person who is going to use Lisp and Haskell in harmony as my only two 'main' languages for writing the web apps running my website.. < 1200968211 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION feels obliged to mention Liskell < 1200968221 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that i've actually tried it... < 1200968227 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :liskell is... crappy < 1200968247 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's just say that it isn't an adequate Lisp, and it isn't an adequate Haskell < 1200968288 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I believe Lisp and Haskell are the top of the chain as far as abstraction and elegance goes in programming languages < 1200968295 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like them both equally, and will use them both equally < 1200968511 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I definately like Emacs/SLIME enough that not using Lisp would be unacceptable just because I'd deny myself that luxury! < 1200968526 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it truly is rapid < 1200969345 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we all died < 1200969417 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BRAINS... BRAINS... < 1200971597 0 :cmeme!n=cmeme@boa.b9.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1200971710 0 :cmeme!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1200971827 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1200971929 0 :cmeme!n=cmeme@boa.b9.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1200973886 0 :uvanta!n=uvanta__@116.45.53.15 JOIN :#esoteric < 1200976936 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Hi Im a qit msg virus. Pls rplce ur old qit msg wit tis 1 & hlp me tk ovr th wrld of IRC. Hard work pays off in the future, l < 1200977183 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night" < 1200978044 0 :adu!n=andrew@pool-71-126-134-146.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1200979090 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1200979385 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip24-255-58-134.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1200979847 0 :cmeme!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1200980069 0 :cmeme!n=cmeme@boa.b9.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1200980666 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1200981616 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1200988799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1200988800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1200989658 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1200991652 0 :slereah__!n=slereah@ANantes-252-1-1-22.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1200992486 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Hi Im a qit msg virus. Pls rplce ur old qit msg wit tis 1 & hlp me tk ovr th wrld of IRC. and dlte ur files. thx." < 1200993369 0 :puzzlet_!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1200994139 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1200997736 0 :slereah__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There seem to be pages that already exist in the "wanted pages" < 1200997767 0 :slereah__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think because of different case. < 1200997793 0 :slereah__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also vaguely different spellings < 1200997918 0 :uvanta!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example? < 1200997964 0 :uvanta!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe a bot can handle it, but if there's not so much case of it, we can just fix it one by one < 1200997967 0 :slereah__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turing Tarpit instead of Turing tarpit < 1200997972 0 :slereah__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turing machines < 1200998026 0 :uvanta!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's create some redirect pages then < 1200998044 0 :slereah__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will do. < 1200998060 0 :slereah__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As soon as my connection gets better. < 1200998143 0 :uvanta!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION will help < 1200998275 0 :slereah__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All better. < 1200998293 0 :slereah__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose that "Weird" is supposed to be "Wierd"? < 1200998366 0 :uvanta!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, Wierd is the name of an esolang < 1200998494 0 :uvanta!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after checking http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Wantedpages < 1200998554 0 :uvanta!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we may have some policy like, say, "You can state the author of language, but don't link it" < 1200999278 0 :Tritonio_!n=Tritonio@150.140.229.77 JOIN :#esoteric < 1201004158 0 :slereah__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Post machine is much better to make some Brainfuck interpreter. < 1201004174 0 :slereah__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The + and - are shorter to do < 1201005429 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1201007449 0 :jix!i=jix@78.47.212.92 JOIN :#esoteric < 1201008528 0 :RodgerTheGreat!n=Rodger@wads-5-233-27.resnet.mtu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1201010030 0 :Tritonio_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1201010929 0 :helios24!i=chaos@bytefight.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1201012371 0 :ehird!n=ehird`@user-514fb24f.l2.c4.dsl.pol.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1201012449 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow Liskell is serious < 1201012449 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1201012452 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's bizzare < 1201012638 0 :oklopol!n=ville@194.251.103.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1201012985 0 :uvanta!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"blame!" < 1201013121 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Liskell? < 1201013133 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lisp + haskell = eldrich horror? < 1201013133 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell with lisp syntax < 1201013135 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's haskell with a lot of prefix notation and parentheses < 1201013139 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wrong < 1201013143 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1201013147 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not? < 1201013148 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :liskell.com < 1201013150 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes they have a dot com < 1201013151 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1201013155 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1201013155 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dot org < 1201013156 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even worse < 1201013189 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.org is bad? < 1201013198 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for something as silly as liskell? < 1201013199 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. < 1201013223 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it deserves a single page in someone's personal site with no design, about 1.5 screenfuls long, calling it 'a little toy hack' < 1201013237 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :".org" is equivalent to saying "This is super serious guys" < 1201013249 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :read in whatever funny voice you like < 1201013249 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that so? < 1201013254 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should get vjn.org < 1201013254 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never looked at it but my impression was it made it easy to add lisp-style macros to a haskell < 1201013262 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: 'xactly... though my site is elliotthird.org :-) < 1201013271 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then my site is super serious, guys! < 1201013282 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my site is rodger.nonlogic.org, which is also super serious < 1201013304 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the current iteration i'm working on uses about 5% of my horizontal screen real estate, heh < 1201013310 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's a good thing: it's easier to read small columns < 1201013320 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hails from oerjan.nvg.org, which indeed has no design :D < 1201013370 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that is nvg being pretentious about getting an .org, not me (canonical name is nvg.ntnu.no) < 1201013406 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my 'be all and end all' site has been in the works for a looong time now < 1201013423 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like late 2005 i decided i wanted a place to dump everything in a unified interface and all that jazz? < 1201013441 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i've made dozens of half-baked attempts, given up on some half-way through... :-) < 1201013452 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eventually, elliotthird.org will work and have loads of stuff on.. < 1201013465 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a jazz site you say? < 1201013471 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1201013473 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no not quite < 1201013610 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://img.skitch.com/20080121-g12n6u3knnpn96pcjqmb22yi4d.png this is the current iteration's design right now, i don't think i can get it any more minimalistic < 1201013656 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It probably only looks nice on Safari/mac and Firefox/mac < 1201013661 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dread to think what it looks like in IE < 1201013714 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the .png looks fine in IE ;) < 1201013720 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gosh < 1201013721 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really < 1201013750 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should make the whole site an imagemapped png :-) < 1201013758 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that everyone can have the lovely rendering and fonts of Safari/mac! < 1201013767 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :better not use transparency though for fear of IE :D < 1201013779 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no, use SVG! < 1201013789 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: im sure IE will love that < 1201013809 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SVG with VML appended to the end! < 1201013837 0 :tejeez!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no no no no, use html and text! < 1201013849 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you know i'd put a page up for you to test in IE but i don't have anywhere to do it, i'm still waiting to revamp elliotthird.org's server :P < 1201013858 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tejeez: now THAT's a weird idea! < 1201014069 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :progn < 1201014079 0 :progn!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ehird < 1201014089 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never miss the oppertunity to register a good nick < 1201014117 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. how many do you have? < 1201014182 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I like it < 1201014191 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: thanks :) < 1201014194 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it appeals to my aesthetic < 1201014226 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: the css is 51 short lines, including blank ones < 1201014233 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the html is 39 < 1201014240 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty good, i say < 1201014240 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1201014255 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it scales pretty well with text upsizing/downsizing < 1201014258 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least in safari < 1201014267 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the content area grows when you put it up, shoving the menu to the side < 1201014270 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and vise-versa for down < 1201014282 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the PHP parts of the source to my page are at least as long as the HTML parts, and my page displays properly on my palm pilot. < 1201014307 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah, php. this is all going to be generated by some lisp or haskell code :) < 1201014317 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :completely.. including the css < 1201014326 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :100% same structure of course < 1201014334 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just no fiddly html or css apart from in a DSL < 1201014339 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my site looks better in lynx than in firefox. < 1201014349 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, i should try lynx < 1201014356 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should work fine, my markup is completely cruft-free < 1201014369 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my only structure is: < 1201014386 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as it's not DIV soup < 1201014394 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :div#content { h1 "page title", ...content... }, div#info { h1 "Elliott Hird", ul#menu { ...menu items... } } < 1201014399 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :two divs. < 1201014442 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, my site looks great in lynx < 1201014452 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the menu is at the bottom of the page, which is good because it means the content is at the top < 1201014463 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the code block is pushed to the left hand column, though, and is right below the second paragraph < 1201014466 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no blank line in between < 1201014468 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there is one below < 1201014479 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's nothing in my markup to say that should happen, so that's lynx' problem < 1201014525 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it just

and

/ ?
< 1201014548 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: 

second paragraph

the code

third paragraph

< 1201014558 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note:
 is a perfectly valid way of marking up code, it's the most sensible too)
< 1201014581 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how I do it too
< 1201014661 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i might spontaneously decide to switch to html 4.01 without a doctype, in protest of the standards freaks :D
< 1201014691 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i live by the motto of 'get some logically decent structure, add styling to your taste, done'
< 1201014697 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tend to do things the overly complicated way of replacing \n with 
, etc < 1201014708 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: that's semantically ugly though. < 1201014720 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more difficult but the presentation is more uniform cross platform < 1201014736 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh how so < 1201014742 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
CODE GOES HERE
< 1201014746 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is consistant < 1201014763 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, the display of that construct is heavily dependent upon your browser < 1201014768 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's "consistent" < 1201014776 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is it? < 1201014778 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do tell me < 1201014827 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't it good that a user agent can display the content in the most appropriate way for its platform? < 1201014868 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: that's a more reasonable criticism < 1201014879 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but seriously < 1201014885 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have never seen
 display differently
< 1201014899 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you have linebreaks or indentation between 
, the code, and 
< 1201014902 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have used browsers in my time that ignore one or both of those tags < 1201014939 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PalmScape, for one- many mobile browsers are guilty of this < 1201014953 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. palm os. < 1201014957 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, basic tags like
are pretty much universally supported < 1201014964 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :broken browsers on palm os are >not< my concern. < 1201014974 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :smartphones, embedded systems, etc < 1201014982 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :smartphones are very good at html nowadays. < 1201014988 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially the iPhone and Nokia's < 1201014995 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, iPhone just uses webkit < 1201014997 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no wonder < 1201015001 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually nokia's is based on webkit too < 1201015020 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, my design also works in lynx/(e)links < 1201015026 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the only uncertainity is about IE/win really. < 1201015033 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's very much good enough for me < 1201015053 0 :ais523!n=ais523@st01-fap02.bham.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1201015067 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello, ais523 < 1201015070 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello ehird < 1201015081 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's simple enough that it *should* work... it depends how the info section is pushed to the side... is it floated to the right? < 1201015093 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe even to the left < 1201015105 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: would you like me to dump my html and css code? < 1201015121 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you not have IE to test it? < 1201015123 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, i'll combine them: replace the with a