00:11:06 -!- adu has joined. 00:18:41 hi 00:19:35 -!- adu has quit. 00:20:30 bye 00:27:32 "... Unfortunately, Ossanna's troff was written in PDP-11 assembly language and produced output specifically for the CAT phototypesetter. He rewrote it in C, although it was now 7000 lines of uncommented code and still dependent on the CAT. As the CAT became less common, and was no longer supported by the manufacturer, the need to make it support other devices became a priority. However, before this could be done, Ossanna died. ..." 00:29:00 -!- ehird has quit ("Konversation terminated!"). 00:44:17 ..Where have I seen "Troff" before? 00:56:54 troff is the markup language used by man pages. 00:56:57 It's pretty horrible. 00:57:28 Or rather, roff is the markup and troff is the default implementation, or something like that. 01:08:19 I remember seeing it mentioned in some For Dummies book 01:13:42 GregorR: The format used by man pages is actually only a set of macros in troff. 01:13:50 Rull-on troff gets even worse. ;) 01:21:12 Rull-on? 01:25:21 Full-on. 01:31:34 * Sgeo is going to go to sleep soon, maybe I'll have a decent amount of sleep tonight! 01:47:14 -!- sebbu has quit (No route to host). 01:50:26 G'night all. Here's hoping for remembered lucid dreams.. 01:51:32 -!- Sgeo has quit ("Ex-Chat"). 02:40:37 -!- adu_1 has joined. 02:41:23 -!- adu_1 has changed nick to adu. 03:00:50 -!- adu_1 has joined. 03:16:24 -!- adu has quit (Connection timed out). 03:23:55 -!- andydude has joined. 03:24:48 -!- andydude_ has joined. 03:26:11 -!- andydude_ has quit (Client Quit). 03:39:20 -!- adu_1 has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 03:40:43 -!- andydude has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 04:00:44 -!- GreaseMonkey has joined. 04:22:25 -!- adu_1 has joined. 04:22:35 -!- adu_1 has quit (Client Quit). 04:27:16 -!- adu has joined. 04:33:31 -!- calamari has joined. 04:43:25 -!- adu_ has joined. 04:45:53 -!- adu has quit (Nick collision from services.). 04:46:11 -!- adu_ has changed nick to adu. 04:54:09 -!- adu_ has joined. 04:55:53 -!- adu_ has quit (Remote closed the connection). 04:57:29 -!- adu has quit (Nick collision from services.). 04:58:13 -!- bd_ has left (?). 05:00:55 -!- adu has joined. 05:05:49 http://www.nonlogic.org/dump/images/1204607128-Censored.png <- new cartoon guys! 05:20:23 -!- andydude has joined. 05:22:23 -!- adu has quit (Nick collision from services.). 05:22:27 -!- andydude has changed nick to adu. 05:23:24 -!- adu has left (?). 05:26:06 meh 05:26:34 meh? 05:29:48 at your comic 05:31:37 LMAO 05:31:40 anything in particular you didn't like about it? 05:32:17 And yes, I do want to know. :p 05:32:48 heheh. Glad to see you enjoyed it, pikhq. What do you think of the new look? 05:33:08 Your art looks *really* good inked and colored like that. :) 05:33:17 thanks 05:33:21 Not quite Dresden Codak level, but pretty good. 05:33:50 well, naturally- I think he takes more than an hour and a half to do his, for one thing 05:33:51 Of course, DC is nearly a god of webcomicry, so. . . 05:34:05 I suspect as much, myself. 05:34:31 I'm thinking about buying/making a font of my handwriting for the speech bubbles and things, though 05:34:43 I'm not sure how I feel about the Comic Sans knockoff 05:34:53 Comic Sans is 'Meh'. 05:36:36 -!- andydude has joined. 05:39:08 -!- Judofyr has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 05:39:30 -!- adu has joined. 05:40:22 -!- adu has quit (Remote closed the connection). 05:40:25 -!- Judofyr has joined. 05:47:20 -!- calamari has quit ("Leaving"). 05:54:28 -!- andydude has quit (Connection timed out). 06:31:33 -!- sebbu has joined. 06:34:36 -!- olsner has joined. 07:14:56 nothing more refreshing than a good 14 hours of sleep 07:17:43 " get a client that knows what flooding is" <<< iirc, konversation warns when you're about to start a flood, but it does not do the actually useful part of slowing down the flood. 07:18:35 -!- olsner has quit ("Leaving"). 07:20:10 -!- Judofyr has quit. 07:21:44 i want to know too, make another cartoon with just that one square 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 08:15:01 -!- oerjan has joined. 08:43:45 -!- GreaseMonkey has quit ("Read error: 110 (Connection chickened out)"). 09:15:44 -!- oklokok has quit (Client Quit). 10:31:07 -!- jix has joined. 10:38:58 -!- slereah_ has joined. 10:39:18 -!- slereah__ has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 11:00:36 -!- jix has quit ("CommandQ"). 12:02:25 -!- jix has joined. 12:16:08 -!- oerjan has quit ("hoogle hates operators"). 12:52:47 -!- slereah_ has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 12:53:35 -!- slereah_ has joined. 13:16:10 -!- RedDak has joined. 13:20:32 -!- slereah__ has joined. 13:20:39 -!- slereah_ has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 14:11:51 hello 14:36:54 -!- RedDak has quit (Remote closed the connection). 15:19:54 * AnMaster just got a SQL error on esolang wiki 15:20:21 not able to reproduce *shrug* 15:29:03 -!- ehird has joined. 15:29:22 -!- ehird has quit (Remote closed the connection). 15:29:41 -!- ehird has joined. 15:59:38 -!- Judofyr has joined. 16:12:51 -!- slereah_ has joined. 16:13:46 -!- slereah__ has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 16:25:07 -!- timotiis has joined. 16:45:52 -!- ehird has quit ("Konversation terminated!"). 16:46:33 -!- slereah__ has joined. 16:46:38 -!- ehird has joined. 16:47:06 -!- slereah_ has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 17:07:54 -!- Corun has joined. 17:09:16 -!- slereah_ has joined. 17:09:52 -!- slereah__ has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 17:38:55 anyone got an idea for some new language, turing tarpit style, but not just some variation of brainfuck or similar languages 17:39:06 hm 17:39:14 * AnMaster wants to code something 17:39:22 (in C) 17:39:33 well, I am a tremendous fan of stack-based languages, and there are many unique and painful ways to do that in a minimalistic fashion 17:39:46 RodgerTheGreat, got any link so I can read up on that? 17:40:01 providing only pancake-flips or something like that for deep stack manipulation could be fun 17:40:02 one sec 17:40:06 -!- oklokok has joined. 17:40:19 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stack-oriented_programming_language 17:41:12 your code won't look anything like BF, and although there are already esolangs that are stack-oriented, there are a lot of new and different ideas you can explore 17:41:39 or it could inspire you to create queue-oriented languages or a similar monstrosity 17:42:08 hm 17:42:23 RodgerTheGreat, got any examples of existing stack based esoteric languages? 17:42:30 (or queue based) 17:42:32 yes... 17:42:33 FALSE is one 17:42:35 Befunge 17:42:40 .... thousands, really 17:42:43 -!- ais523 has joined. 17:42:50 hm ok 17:42:54 Arguably, FORTH and PostScript 17:43:01 What of Underload! 17:43:03 ehird, err wait, befunge is 2D hm 17:43:11 uhhh 17:43:12 and? 17:43:14 slereah_: oh yeah 17:43:15 hmmm 17:43:16 befunge is a hybrid of several things 17:43:17 wonderful underload <3 17:43:22 is there any 3D language :D 17:43:25 hello ais523 17:43:26 TreFunge 17:43:29 AnMaster: Funge-98 17:43:33 contains N-funge 17:43:37 for all values of N 17:43:38 aww 17:43:38 AnMaster: noit-o'-mnain worb 17:43:39 sigh 17:43:40 well, not negative 17:43:42 and not 0 i don't think 17:43:44 * slereah_ had an idea. 17:43:46 but 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,... 17:43:52 I'm not sure if it's TC, or even a good idea. 17:43:55 several n-dimensional languages exits 17:43:56 *exist 17:43:58 1.6 dimensional 17:44:00 hrrm? 17:44:09 (wtf would that look like) 17:44:11 A language based on animal populations. 17:44:13 queue-oriented languages are largely unexplored! 17:44:24 a language involving apples and string 17:44:29 RodgerTheGreat, not sure how to make one, but sounds interesting 17:44:32 AnMaster: integers 17:44:41 You define areas, and animals 17:44:53 ehird, well, I want a 4i-dimensional language ;P 17:44:54 With predation relations, reproduction rates and the like* 17:45:05 And you act on those. 17:45:11 * ais523 is wondering what the original question was 17:45:15 It would be really easy to do Fibonacci! 17:45:26 Dimensions can't be imaginary. 17:45:29 ais523, " anyone got an idea for some new language, turing tarpit style, but not just some variation of brainfuck or similar languages * AnMaster wants to code something" 17:45:36 ais523, that was the original question 17:45:38 OK 17:45:58 There's plenty of theoretical machines that no one touched. 17:46:00 but queue based language sounds very interesting idea *puts on list* 17:46:14 Sceql 17:46:21 (if I've spelt that correctly) 17:46:30 that was a queue-based language 17:46:33 * AnMaster looks at RodgerTheGreat 17:46:33 A query language (Think SQL, but crazier) that works on stacks 17:46:33 not sure whether it was TC 17:46:39 ah true 17:46:51 :D 17:46:58 would it be possible to make a queue based language TC? 17:47:05 I said "largely unexplored", not "none exist" 17:47:12 I don't see why it wouldn't be possible! 17:47:13 AnMaster: yes 17:47:17 -!- oerjan has joined. 17:47:20 hm 17:47:58 and I'd still like that biblically-themed gimmick language we were tossing about a while back 17:48:26 Would it have TEN COMMANDS? 17:48:48 ments 17:48:51 oh 17:48:53 * AnMaster just got a SQL error on esolang wiki 17:48:53 you referenced that 17:48:54 heh 17:49:01 oerjan, yep 17:49:01 everyone gets those 17:49:01 it does that all the time 17:49:07 oerjan, ah 17:49:10 RodgerTheGreat: DO UNTO OTHERS 17:49:20 ye olde heisenbug 17:49:27 I figured commandments would be like functions or assertions 17:49:30 CAST THE FIRST POINTER 17:49:32 Or something 17:49:34 AnMaster: it's possible, because when talking about computability, "queue-based" means absolutely nothing 17:49:43 possible to make a queue-based language tc that is 17:49:46 What would be the data structure? 17:49:47 LET THERE BE PEPERONY AND CHEASE 17:49:53 What would Jesus program! 17:50:13 what about other religions 17:50:26 hmm 17:50:31 the SQL-stack should be called: 17:50:36 Using bodies as variables, and souls as value? :o 17:50:40 * SELECT FROM 17:50:47 i was thinking about a language based on religions a while ago 17:50:47 no reason you couldn't slip in parts of the torah and Koran, but I'm not sure it would be as instantly recognizable to most people 17:51:03 RodgerTheGreat: i think such a biblical language might be NSFW 17:51:08 KNOW 17:51:12 haha 17:51:44 the torah _is_ part of the christian bible too. the koran might be a more difficult matter. 17:51:55 what about a language, where you had to define the source as the result of an equation in RPN, possibly the result should be interpreter in unary? The equation would have to involve complex numbers and a least amount of terms maybe 17:51:56 What, genociding all the variables for having the wrong value? 17:52:02 17:52:11 oerjan: but jesus came along and fixed all that; really god was just misunderstood 17:52:16 now look away from that evil one and look at this lovely new one 17:52:18 yes, that's it 17:52:22 <.< 17:52:23 AND THE LORD SAID UNTO NOAH, "GATHER YE SIX OF EVERY ENTRY IN THE 'ANIMALS' TABLE THAT ARE CLEAN AND STORE THEM IN THE ARK" 17:52:24 -!- RedDak has joined. 17:52:46 Is heaven the output? 17:52:47 RodgerTheGreat: wow, so my StackSQL is now in the biblical language? 17:52:56 AnMaster: i didn't get your idea 17:53:17 AND THE LORD SAID UNTO NOA, "TABLE ANIMALS SIX EVERYENTRY CLEAN? IF ARK STORE THEN" 17:53:18 oklokok, was random, doesn't work well I think 17:53:20 AND THE LORD SAID UNTO NOAH, "SMITE NOT THE UNCLEAN ANIMALS FOR THEY ARE SACRED IN THE EYES OF THE LORD" 17:53:23 cat >/dev/hell 17:53:38 dd if=/dev/god of=/dev/heaven 17:53:44 (file not found: /dev/god) 17:53:50 well I don't know much of the Bible, and even less of it in English so hm 17:53:50 "the void" or "clay" would probably be input 17:54:11 AnMaster: if that's the game we're playing, then i have an idea too: a language where a stack and there's some complex numbers where the stack is defined in terms of arbitrary calculations on the range of its lists and all the multiprocessing 17:54:17 I'd guess the language would probably include many synonyms for builtins and keywords to retain coherence 17:54:26 oklokok, hehheh 17:54:40 LET THERE BE X 17:54:40 RodgerTheGreat, this reminds me of that shakespearlang 17:54:44 RodgerTheGreat: it would be 40% nop :p 17:54:49 lol 17:54:51 RodgerTheGreat, that is, same basic idea 17:55:12 yeah, exactly- that's what makes it a gimmick language rather than high-concept 17:55:24 what about a language which looks like shell commands? 17:55:30 that exists 17:55:32 it's called 'bash' 17:55:34 Judofyr, err, that's called shell 17:55:35 Heh 17:55:49 :P 17:55:56 Judofyr, ais523, I wrote an modular irc bot in bash btw: http://envbot.org 17:56:02 ais knows 17:56:07 yeah, but it shouldn't do what you expect 17:56:22 Judofyr, oh cat = sudo rm -rf /? 17:56:33 AnMaster: and we call know. 17:56:34 *all 17:56:39 its a waste of time too 17:56:45 that wouldn't be a noob-safe language :P 17:56:46 it would be cooler in zsh, anyway 17:56:56 ehird, too easy in zsh 17:57:04 the only thing i like more than telling people i know everything that has ever happened here when someone tells me something is to tell people what others already know. 17:57:22 AnMaster: hardly 17:57:28 anyway, your project seems to be serious 17:57:32 also, english is clearly not suited for that complicated sentences 17:57:32 therefore zsh would be the best choice 17:57:43 ehird, how many servers got zsh on them? 17:57:48 most. 17:57:51 AnMaster: sudo rm -rf /? would delete all directories with one-character names in the root directory 17:57:58 and if not its in 99% of pkg management systems 17:58:05 zsh is the second-most popular shell from bash i'd say 17:58:08 ais523, the question mark was not part of the question, it was a question mark 17:58:14 and its programming language is highly superior 17:58:14 ehird, while bash isn't portable, it is more portable than zsh normally 17:58:16 it is very advanced 17:58:23 AnMaster: still. zsh is a better choice 17:58:28 ehird: maybe ash is the most popular, because that's used in most embedded systems 17:58:37 ais523: i don't think AnMaster is targeting those 17:58:57 ehird, I'm targeting standard shell servers, like those you can get for $5 or whatever it is 17:59:04 AnMaster: those have zsh 17:59:28 ehird, not last I checked on the one I got an account on, runs freebsd 6.2 17:59:34 and got bash but no zsh 17:59:38 AnMaster: then its a rarity 18:00:06 anyway that wasn't the point of this discussion, feel free to fork, it's open source ;P 18:00:28 it wouldnt be a fork 18:00:30 itd be a rewrite 18:01:22 now, why not make it work under either then (painful, as the common subset of extended functionality compared to POSIX isn't that large iirc) 18:02:07 why not make it work under POSIX sh? 18:02:34 ais523, interesting idea, but would be painful 18:04:20 hm, if that "if an infinite number of monkies tyoe on an infinite number of typewriters for infinitly long we would get all the great works of Shakespear sooner or later is true", then that is true for any data 18:04:31 Yes. 18:04:39 It's called the internet 18:04:47 meaning, it would sooner or later generate a brainfuck interpreter heh 18:04:47 AnMaster: um, duh 18:04:51 Millions of monkeys on millions of typewriters! 18:04:55 why is that suprising? 18:04:59 not really 18:05:07 it's such an obvious statement that only an idiot would argue against it 18:05:10 ehird, but what if you could exploit it 18:05:13 :) 18:05:17 Not really 18:05:20 if you have a perfect random number generator on (0,1) [i.e. for bits] 18:05:21 It's totally random 18:05:23 and run it infinitely 18:05:25 ehird, indeed 18:05:29 of course it will generate everything 18:06:00 But then again, the only way to have a good program out of it would be to use a bigass if 18:06:07 the problem is that _finding_ something in the monkey output is even harder than writing it yourself in the first place 18:06:07 And it would be shorter to just use the if 18:06:09 please show me some statistics to support this. 18:06:12 well, what's inside the if 18:06:14 how likley is it that cat /dev/urandom will generate hamlet in ASCII, starting within 1 MB from stream start with fewer than three errors in it? 18:06:21 anyone want to calculate? :) 18:06:43 oklokok: support one 18:06:45 err 18:06:46 oklokok: support what 18:06:52 AnMaster: /dev/urandom is not random 18:06:53 , 18:06:56 AnMaster: A string of length n is always 1/256^n 18:06:57 for example, there will be _many_ more instances of "To be or not to flaggle gnart gop" than of the entire Hamlet 18:07:02 ehird: that monkey thing! 18:07:08 AnMaster: that's trivial to calculate 18:07:11 ehird, ok, true, /dev/random with a hardware based number generator 18:07:14 oklokok: ummm 18:07:23 oerjan: tell oklokok he is silly 18:07:26 based on atmospheric noise 18:07:28 ehird, ^ 18:07:30 Although it would be better to use the printable character set. 18:07:36 of course if you have a truly random bit generator run through every possible combination infinitely that contains everything 18:07:44 slereah_: OK. 18:07:45 oerjan: tell ehird i was joking 18:07:50 Then a rng on (0,255) 18:07:52 oklokok: oh. :P 18:08:09 oklokok: you are silly 18:08:09 I like random number generators built from a radioactive sample and a detector array, sealed in a lead-lined box 18:08:11 (32,127) would be better. 18:08:15 ehird: oklokok was joking 18:08:23 perhaps the penis in my name makes me appear even stupider than i actually am 18:08:33 hmph, i already have oklopol in use 18:08:44 let msg = "oerjan: tell oklokok to tell " ++ msg in msg 18:08:53 (i know i could kill it) 18:09:18 oklokok: tell let msg = "oerjan: tell oklokok to tell " ++ msg in msg 18:10:15 uhh 18:10:16 does the irp spec say it has lazy evaluation? i think that would be kinda funny. 18:10:18 oerjan: that's wrong 18:10:25 reduction example: 18:10:26 let msg = "oerjan: tell oklokok to tell " ++ msg in msg 18:10:29 ======> 18:10:39 oerjan: tell oklokok to tell oerjan: tell oklokok to tell oerjan: ... 18:10:44 oklokok, hehe 18:10:46 oklokok: You write "Please do this function with x evaluation" 18:11:03 Please evaluate the list in range 1,inf, strictly. 18:11:05 IRP can does all! 18:11:14 ehird: Fuck-you error 18:11:44 sheesh 18:11:46 ehird: you too must be happy to know i actually begun writing an oklotalk interp 18:12:03 oklokok: OH YEAH 18:12:11 :P 18:12:13 oklokok, link to source? 18:12:14 give me a REPL, nao 18:12:19 AnMaster: Do you know what oklotalk is? 18:12:22 He won't be done for years! 18:12:25 ehird, I know 18:12:28 I seen it 18:12:28 It's the biggest, most ambigious language that exists 18:12:38 let msg = "tell oerjan: tell oklokok to " ++ msg in "oklopol: " ++ msg 18:12:39 it does not have a parser yet, but it already evaluates *some* of the basic things 18:12:42 I know he's been talking about it for months, but I still don't know what it is! 18:13:00 the problem is oklotalk's pattern matching and it's parsing, which are the most complicated things, aren't even started yet 18:13:09 oklokok, no esolang entry on it? 18:13:23 no. 18:13:27 i'm scared of the wiki 18:13:40 slereah_, some extreme syntax thing 18:13:44 but i'll put it there, even though it's not entirely made for esopurposes 18:13:48 oerjan: ok, fine 18:13:49 evaluate that 18:14:00 What be the syntax? 18:14:06 slereah_: You don't want to know 18:14:09 oklokok: Show him quicksort! 18:14:17 ehird: you probably guessed, but i'm only implementing a subset of it. 18:14:21 I've seen examples 18:14:23 ehird, you forgot the magic word (not, xyzzy!) 18:14:25 ;P 18:14:26 But I don't know what they mean 18:14:28 Show him quicksoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooort 18:14:33 :D 18:14:39 i can show *a* quicksort 18:14:41 yes 18:14:43 an evil one 18:15:14 Bible Code does not approve of evil codes 18:16:15 {L->{.L>}/_+._+{.L<}/:_} 18:16:21 i think that will do 18:16:30 What does it mean:! :o 18:16:34 that's not fully portable 18:16:37 it's just mean! 18:16:58 because if the lists contain lists, the addition will not put ._ automatically in a list 18:17:01 Judofyr: Oklotalk rocks 18:17:19 oklokok, really post a syntax desc 18:17:41 AnMaster: it is not parsable by traditional parsers 18:17:48 Without the syntax, it's hard to get a sense of the evilness 18:17:51 iirc it's even more malleble than perl 18:17:54 {L->{.L>}/:_+[._]+{.L<}/:_} <<< made portable + corrected an error 18:17:56 ehird, how comes? 18:18:06 AnMaster: its too ambigious+context sensitive+runtime-changable 18:18:14 [(Quicksort in Overload)] 18:18:14 (The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog.) 18:18:14 (~:L{gg(("<"")S:S'""Sn1~:A~D(:@~:@-@~zaa~g(A1a&)f)e@(:A@za*~D)e'*t.DDD?:^~'*t.DDD?:^@~a&*(">"")S:S'""Sn)f~!):^nSn 18:18:21 ais523: haha 18:18:32 somewhat longer than the oklotalk version 18:18:43 that's the language that was eventually tarpitised into Overload 18:18:56 ais523, can't find overload on esolang? 18:18:58 {L->'({.L>}/:_)+._+'${.L<}/:_} <<< added some more shit, but now i'm fairly sure it works :D 18:19:05 but I keep getting stuck halfway through when trying to write the spec 18:19:13 it can be done shorter, i'm just a bit panicky doing this live :P 18:19:16 AnMaster: that's because I've never actually managed to write the spec 18:19:21 ah ojk 18:19:22 ok* 18:19:34 I can give you a buggy interpreter in C++ that you can reverse-engineer if you want to mess around with it, though 18:19:39 * slereah_ should write the Andrei Machine 9000's specs 18:19:46 (that's only half-finished and abandoned because it became unmaintainable) 18:19:51 there are binary and trinary esolangs right? so what about other n-nary 18:19:59 ais523: you got a mix up :P 18:20:02 hey 18:20:06 who wants to write a turkey bomb impl :3 18:20:08 TriINTERCAL works in bases 3-7 18:20:13 Ten-ary? :o 18:20:18 ehird, not possible I think after looking at it 18:20:25 slereah_, whoo, that would be fun 18:20:45 anyway, {.L>}/:_ is assumed to mean {.L>_}/:_ because it ends in an oper, which means: collect for tail of argument all elements that are greater than the head of the list 18:20:59 umm, not greater, smaller 18:21:03 2i would be moar fun 18:21:04 AnMaster: um it is 18:21:08 {.L<}/:_ is the inverse 18:21:14 ais523 did a little bit writing a TURKEY BOMB interp beforehand 18:21:15 so ... :D 18:21:33 ehird, it is? turky bomb didn't specify most things about implementation it seemd? 18:21:36 I vote that the interpreter should be called CHICKEN EXPLOSIVE 18:21:36 seemed* 18:21:39 AnMaster: what in particular seems impossible about it? 18:21:40 like "half a bit" 18:21:46 AnMaster: half a bit is easy 18:21:49 just use crazy padding 18:21:56 ehird, err, what? 18:21:57 (i want to remind everyone once again oklotalk is *not* my official terse language! cise is :)) 18:22:18 Cise? 18:22:24 Overload was meant to be mine, but that would require implementing a standard library 18:22:29 (which would contain a sort function) 18:22:35 ehird, the size of some objects too, 18:22:51 AnMaster: some languages have extendable syntax, you can use any base 18:22:54 incidentally, the quicksort I pasted above also shows debug output 18:23:09 slereah_: Cise owns. 18:23:11 oklokok, what about non-unsigned integers? 18:23:24 i should put some examples somewhere 18:23:25 that is, something that isn't an unsigned integer 18:23:34 umm, like what? 18:23:39 oklokok: Cise does not use the wiki, it be not on it :o 18:23:45 do you understand "extendable syntax"? 18:23:46 *own the wiki 18:23:48 ais523: OMG, hexl-mode in emacs lets you use your major mode. I just used nxml-mode with hexl-mode 18:23:56 that's zen 18:23:59 ehird, another thing: PUDDING size: Infinite. impossible to *implement* 18:24:01 HexML? 18:24:05 AnMaster: you mean Amiced? 18:24:13 if so - just store it as a NEGATIVE_AMICED 18:24:25 and store it in any PUDDINGs that don't contain the AMICED in question 18:24:26 also, PUDDING could be done quite trivially in haskell. in C, you just make it the minimum to store its fields, and fake it 18:24:46 hm true 18:25:33 -!- RedDak has quit (Remote closed the connection). 18:25:50 ehird: the ide will be PARROT NUKE 18:25:54 oerjan: haha 18:26:04 ais523: OMG, hexl-mode in emacs lets you use your major mode. I just used nxml-mode with hexl-mode that's zen <-- NICE! 18:26:06 * AnMaster tries 18:26:19 wow indeed 18:26:34 breaks if you add more text though i think 18:26:34 :) 18:26:43