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00:36:41 <SimonRC> :cry: http://lucis.net/stuff/clarke/star_clarke.html
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01:19:54 <oklofok> SimonRC: why cry?
01:20:11 <oklofok> is it DON'T READ THIS THING I PASTED IT WILL BE A WASTE OF TIME cry?
01:22:00 <SimonRC> no
01:22:09 <SimonRC> it is worth reading
01:22:14 <SimonRC> well, I liked it at least
01:24:01 <oklofok> i shall read i then, after my sleepz
01:24:04 <oklofok> night ->
01:29:55 <SimonRC> zzzz
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04:03:17 <RodgerTheGreat> http://www.nonlogic.org/dump/images/1206500570-physed.png
04:03:20 <RodgerTheGreat> ^ new comic!
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04:44:51 <RodgerTheGreat> ...and no one cares, apparently
04:47:25 <RodgerTheGreat> :<
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08:17:48 <slereah__> Anyone thar?
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10:12:35 <oklofok> I IS
10:12:41 <oklofok> DEAL WITH IT
10:29:33 <oklofok> SimonRC: yeah quite fun
10:29:40 <oklofok> the story
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12:34:09 <AnMaster> <slereah__> Anyone thar?
12:34:11 <AnMaster> yes
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13:09:19 <SimonRC> .
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13:36:42 <slereah__> Is there an actual proof of the jot-CL translation?
13:36:55 <slereah__> The application function doesn't seem very obvious to me
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21:05:36 <AnMaster> slereah_, of what?
21:09:19 <slereah_> Jot.
21:09:34 <slereah_> It is proved TC by correspondance with Combinatory Logic
21:09:53 <slereah_> But the function used for application doesn't seem all that obvious to me.
21:16:56 <olsner> oh, is that Combinatory Logic I hear?
21:17:11 <slereah_> Indeed it is.
21:18:38 <olsner> hmm, yeah, that's pretty obfuscated
21:19:15 <slereah_> Problem is, Jot doesn't have a priority operator.
21:19:38 <slereah_> So I have no idea how 1 functions as the apply operator in the general case.
21:25:32 <olsner> [f1] -> \xy -> [f](xy) => [1] -> \xy -> xy
21:25:41 <olsner> it basically seems to be some kind of prefix notation
21:26:41 <slereah_> The problem I have is, 11100 for k doesn't obviously means that 11110011100 will translate to `kk
21:26:54 <olsner> it doesn't?
21:27:05 <slereah_> Well, it does apparently
21:27:21 <slereah_> But it doesn't come up as obvious to me.
21:27:23 <olsner> you mean, it's not obvious *to you*? :P
21:27:31 <slereah_> Exactly.
21:27:35 <olsner> eh, so you said at the same time
21:27:37 <olsner> :P
21:28:59 <slereah_> The problem is that the meaning of a string depends on what's before it.
21:33:12 <oklopol> what?
21:33:21 <oklopol> isn't jot's notation just the unlambda notation
21:33:55 <olsner> that's iota
21:34:18 <oklopol> ...aren't both?
21:34:25 <oklopol> isn't it all unlambda
21:34:30 <oklopol> i have to check now
21:34:30 <oklopol> lofl
21:34:32 <slereah_> Nah.
21:34:39 <olsner> unlambda is [`ski]
21:34:41 <slereah_> Jot doesn't have an apply operator
21:35:43 <oklopol> umm, isn't jot the exact same as iota?
21:36:26 <oklopol> jot's 1 doesn't actually have a meani
21:36:27 <oklopol> ng?
21:36:45 <oklopol> i was assuming it's the combinator from iota, but here just represented with binary
21:36:45 <slereah_> Empty string is i
21:36:56 <oklopol> well yes, of course
21:37:14 <slereah_> F 1 is ^xy.F(xy)
21:37:14 <oklopol> or not of course
21:37:23 <slereah_> F 0 is FSK
21:37:59 <oklopol> F 1, where F is the beginning of the program?
21:38:03 <slereah_> It's easy enough to build S and K from the empty string, but I'm not sure what happens in the general case, since it always depends on what's before
21:38:04 <slereah_> Yes.
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