< 1209686406 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Objects that you can interact with usually are easy to spot < 1209686407 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: No they do not < 1209686414 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes usually < 1209686418 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless they're pixel hunting games. < 1209686420 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So: LOOK < 1209686442 0 :sauxdado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: i haven't played any interactive fiction games where there would be problems with saving. < 1209686456 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose I'm just lame :o < 1209686465 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not very used to all-comand < 1209686466 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: Y'know what's really great about my People from the Internet T-shirt? No two people interpret it in /quite/ the same way :P < 1209686473 0 :sauxdado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually you do it with "save" < 1209686474 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I started 'em computers in 95. < 1209686490 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: haha awesome < 1209686504 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lynx to T shirt plox < 1209686508 0 :sauxdado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :many really good IF games came out _after_ 95. < 1209686543 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But didn't have good publicity apparently. < 1209686546 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never heard of them < 1209686559 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even though I had CD's with 5000 sharewares back then < 1209686570 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: examples? < 1209686624 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: Some people just find it funny, some people think I'm making vast claims about all Internet users (which I am, but that's not the point X-P), some people are offended (somebody wearing a Linux T-shirt was :P), ... < 1209686635 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lmao < 1209686646 0 :sauxdado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: really good things tend to not be very popular. Modern IF is often more of an art form than a game genre. So it's not very popular outside of a small community of artsy-programmer geeks. < 1209686649 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are those T shirts :o < 1209686656 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that last one alone makes it beyond worthwhile < 1209686681 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sauxdado : I played silly arcade and Lucas Arts adventure games back then. < 1209686695 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was popular < 1209686698 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: It definitely draws comments X-D < 1209686706 0 :sauxdado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION checks when photopia came out
< 1209686717 0 :sauxdado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1998 < 1209686750 0 :sauxdado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and photopia kinda started a wave < 1209686775 0 :sauxdado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like... one of the first modern IF game or something < 1209686783 0 :sauxdado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you're unlikely to have been playing any in 95 < 1209686832 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sauxdado : I tried this one : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Colour_of_Magic_%28computer_game%29 < 1209686875 0 :sauxdado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that's ancient and probably very crappy < 1209686880 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And this one : http://www.mobygames.com/game/nine-princes-in-amber < 1209686894 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So no game from after 86 for me :o < 1209686903 0 :sauxdado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1209686910 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sauxdado: what do you think of the HHGTTG game? < 1209686912 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that rocked < 1209686913 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only tried them because I like the series. < 1209686932 0 :sauxdado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: the difference between those games and modern IF games is about as big as the difference between _graphical_ games from now and from '86 < 1209686941 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1209686953 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although Nine prince in Amber was sort of graphical < 1209686955 0 :sauxdado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, maybe not as extreme, but very appreciable < 1209686965 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It had big ANSI pix to go with the text. < 1209686983 0 :sauxdado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i'm not really a big fan.... < 1209686990 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sauxdado: sux < 1209686995 0 :sauxdado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i never got far in it (or any other infocom game) < 1209686996 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sauxdado: of the books or.. < 1209686999 0 :sauxdado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're so hard! < 1209687000 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Maniac Mansion was okay though. < 1209687002 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah < 1209687004 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't get far either < 1209687007 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are really really hard < 1209687008 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's from 87. < 1209687014 0 :sauxdado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is funny though < 1209687016 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: oh lawd maniac mansion owns < 1209687016 0 :sauxdado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> i < 1209687018 0 :sauxdado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have: < 1209687026 0 :sauxdado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : a splitting headache < 1209687027 0 :sauxdado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : no tea < 1209687035 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although Maniac Mansion was too linearly-non-linear < 1209687043 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sauxdado: I gotta admire the code that was behind that < 1209687050 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like AMICED in turkey bomb < 1209687051 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By that I mean that you could do a lot of things, but few of them got you to the end. < 1209687057 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: That was the game's strength < 1209687061 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ever microwaved the hamster? < 1209687067 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grave of player appears in the yard. < 1209687070 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never went far enough to do it. < 1209687071 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well < 1209687076 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :microwaved then gave back to owner < 1209687086 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I did microwave it in DOTT! < 1209687096 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: Lucasarts buddies <3 < 1209687104 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1209687107 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SMOOCH < 1209687158 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I played most of them, except some of the very first. < 1209687168 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zack and another one I think < 1209687175 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never went far on Indy 3 also < 1209687182 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fucking mazes. < 1209687183 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried Zack once < 1209687185 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was haaaard < 1209687200 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can 'speed run' Monkey Island 1 pretty well though < 1209687202 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6 hours or so max < 1209687207 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really a speed run < 1209687209 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not slow either < 1209687220 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know most of the solutions :D < 1209687228 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I even got the DIG novel. < 1209687243 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dig's atmosphere was incredible < 1209687246 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was really hard though < 1209687261 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never actually completed monkey island 2 < 1209687267 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of lechuck in the fucking underground caves < 1209687271 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it was packaged with Afterlife, which was even harder :o < 1209687278 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not an adventure game) < 1209687502 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: monkey island 4 suxed < 1209687526 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's because nothing is as good as it used to! < 1209687544 0 :timotiis!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1209687562 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: but MI4 did sux. < 1209687576 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also cartoon adventure games do not adapt well to < 1209687578 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3D < 1209687603 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They should just have gone back to the serious graphics of 1 and 2 if they wanted to do 3D. < 1209687655 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: Loom was a work of art. y/n < 1209687667 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y < 1209687680 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it was rather short. < 1209687763 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never finished it < 1209687764 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;( < 1209687823 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can never be finished. < 1209687827 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it ends on a cliffhanger. < 1209687831 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SPOILER < 1209687841 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU SHOULD PROBABLY NOT HAVE READ THAT < 1209687850 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: i think i know the ending < 1209687851 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1209687851 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1209687853 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it DOES end < 1209687854 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviousl < 1209687855 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y < 1209687856 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right? < 1209687859 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, it doesnt go < 1209687861 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1209687861 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"NO END FOR YOU" < 1209687863 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and stay like that forever < 1209687864 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1209687865 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It ends. < 1209687872 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, Slereah_, sequels were planned < 1209687874 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus the cliffhanger < 1209687874 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But A POWERFUL SUSPENSE SHROUDS THE ENDING < 1209687963 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why people probably shouldn't do cliffhangers in a business where sequels usually end in the trash :o < 1209688103 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The package also offered an illustrated notebook, The Book of Patterns, supposedly belonging to apprentice weavers in the game world." < 1209688115 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, I would have liked to know this when I got the game. < 1209688183 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently the second game was about Nailbender < 1209688193 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what the interface would have been like. < 1209688206 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I suppose that when you have a hammer, every problem looks like a nail. < 1209688281 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back < 1209688293 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should buy the Loom original package. < 1209688298 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Apparently the second game was about Nailbender < 1209688298 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I wonder what the interface would have been like. < 1209688298 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : But I suppose that when you have a hammer, every problem looks like a nail < 1209688299 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qdb-worthy < 1209688322 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do we even have a qdb? < 1209688395 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love how you say that as if any channel without a quote database is living in the stone age :P < 1209688403 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: We will. < 1209688411 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When eso-std.org is up. < 1209688414 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will also have a pastebin < 1209688415 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1209688471 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But when will ESO be thar! < 1209688750 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: Later. < 1209691177 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1209691268 0 :Slereah!n=gtuilt@ANantes-252-1-48-135.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1209691282 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I accidentally kick my computer, and everything goes to hell < 1209691321 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1209691478 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1209691582 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo! < 1209691588 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi Slereah < 1209691594 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE CAKE HAS BEEN KIDNAPPED BY NINJAS! < 1209691606 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARE YOU BAD ENOUGH A DUDE TO RESCUE THE CAKE? < 1209691618 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1209691625 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, too bad. < 1209691635 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's so delicious and moist. < 1209691773 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: I am < 1209691786 0 :evincar!n=chatzill@WPIS-64-140-228-252.tnt2.modem.worldpath.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1209691823 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: My Selector interpreter is almost done. I just need to get off my ass and add BECOME and ESCAPE. < 1209691835 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird : Mehby tomorrow. < 1209691841 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got exam tomorrow. < 1209691845 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's 2:30 < 1209691856 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: AW COME ON < 1209691859 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need delicious cake < 1209691859 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. You and your silly time zone. < 1209691861 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's 1:31 < 1209691863 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I need cake < 1209691864 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damnit < 1209691874 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU SEE A CAKE IN FRONT OF YOU < 1209691877 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT DO YOU DO? < 1209691902 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EAT CAKE < 1209691928 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I CAN HAZ CAKE PLX? < 1209691971 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES YOU CAN < 1209691972 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um. < 1209691975 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HALP! < 1209691983 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KTHXBYE < 1209692016 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. The site error page reads "Esolang has a problem." < 1209692027 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...which it does on a *normal* day. ^_^ < 1209692079 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That will teach you to program a website on PSOX! < 1209692122 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesn't appreciate using "PSOX" as a synonym for "buggy"
< 1209692125 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, my hello world for Selector was a bit flawed. I forgot to add a PICK ZERO after the first GO BACK, so it output a null in place of an H. < 1209692140 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fix't. < 1209692160 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Sgeo doesn't appreciate using "PSOX" as a synonym for "buggy" < 1209692166 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo : Here, have a kitten < 1209692167 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody cares what you appreciate in relation to PSOX < 1209692167 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://membres.lycos.fr/bewulf/Divers/27-esteem3.jpg < 1209692170 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just thought I'd point that out < 1209692256 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still no update on EsCo speaking of which :o < 1209692298 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: tee hee < 1209692508 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1209692569 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see why "PSOX" would be a synonym for "buggy" though < 1209692574 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it really buggy? < 1209692609 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: It's vaporware. But mainly we make fun of it because you'd never shut up about it. < 1209692617 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Added a cat program) < 1209692619 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, SAFETY < 1209692657 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, if people expressed interest, I'd work on it. Also, if 1.0b1 is done, there will be no Safety < 1209692685 0 :Slereah!n=gtuilt@ANantes-252-1-48-135.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1209692692 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb Slereah < 1209692697 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems that a slight shock makes my computer crash :o < 1209692707 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried the obvious solution, by hitting it even more < 1209692710 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But no dice < 1209693163 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I get your opinion on a site layout I'm designing? < 1209693167 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.aquilocomputers.com/computers/delta.shtml < 1209693179 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need a modern, fairly standards-compliant browser. < 1209693192 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: Eurgh. My eyes broke., < 1209693193 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It uses transparency a lot, and I'm wondering how readable it's going to be. < 1209693202 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: And if you think that page is standards compliant think again. < 1209693217 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :

// unobtrusive javascript eh < 1209693221 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're viewing it in IE. < 1209693226 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is there a pink computer you queermo. < 1209693229 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is evil and bad. < 1209693244 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I needed a preview image and that was the first case to show up on newegg. < 1209693250 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: Err, do it via javascript. < 1209693255 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can easily find the elemtns and apply the styles. < 1209693259 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Behaviour library makes it good. < 1209693265 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: Adn you have a doctype i nthe middle of the page, wtf. < 1209693272 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No I don't. < 1209693276 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the crappy hosting. < 1209693281 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: Oh. < 1209693287 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway. < 1209693290 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really like the design. < 1209693291 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry. < 1209693318 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So how isn't it standards-compliant? Other than the fact that my code gets broken by my host? < 1209693371 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(@ehird) < 1209693387 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1209693411 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw evincar < 1209693411 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bennolan.com/behaviour/ < 1209693415 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the js < 1209693470 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any interest in PSOX? < 1209693505 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: no < 1209693585 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: please answer my question! If the code is nonstandard in too many places, I want to change it! < 1209693614 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: not necessarily nonstandard < 1209693615 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ugly < 1209693618 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't inline JS like that < 1209693622 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's about the spirit not the letter < 1209693624 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use behaviour like i linked < 1209693655 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll use something like it. I really want my own codebase on this one, since it's going to be proprietary. < 1209693742 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: looool! < 1209693753 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are refusing to use an open source library, because you're writing aproprietary site? < 1209693754 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's great < 1209693755 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: If people stopped using IE, I wouldn't have to waste time and money hacking for it. ^_^ < 1209693764 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that's not it. < 1209693769 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: So wait, what are you going to do, disable right clicking? < 1209693771 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's because it's a learning experience. < 1209693782 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not a learning experience to rewrite a simple library :| < 1209693810 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye for today :) < 1209693814 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And disabling right-click is the stupidest thing possible. < 1209693823 0 :Phenax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm baloney and salsa sandwich < 1209693825 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Urgh. < 1209693826 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1209693830 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1209693864 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION high-fives Phenax for making an awesome sandwich in the spirit of eso
< 1209693881 0 :Phenax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::> < 1209693922 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@209.248.125.70 JOIN :#esoteric < 1209694007 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 2.0.0.14/2008040413]" < 1209697559 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Copies input to output until ASCII 26 (EOF)" <- why 26? < 1209700466 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=saru@122-57-226-168.jetstream.xtra.co.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1209701009 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-76-3.w83-203.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1209702012 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'later folks. I'm officially on vacation. < 1209702023 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1209702054 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1209702054 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sebbu < 1209705652 0 :Judofyr_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1209709907 0 :kalyaka!n=kalyaka@217.118.92.92 JOIN :#esoteric < 1209709957 0 :kalyaka!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1209710657 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@cE699BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1209711187 0 :Judofyr_!n=Judofyr@cE699BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1209711187 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1209712743 0 :olsner!n=salparot@h-60-96.A163.cust.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1209713677 0 :Iskr!n=i@host194-56-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1209714280 0 :pikhq_!n=pikhq@209.248.125.70 JOIN :#esoteric < 1209714614 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1209715199 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1209715200 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1209716178 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, there? < 1209716190 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, should & instruction handle negative numbers? < 1209716195 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in -3 being input < 1209716208 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both ccbi and cfunge seems to strip the - < 1209716335 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, also is this correct for mycouser in ccbi: < 1209716340 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UNDEF: STRN fingerprint not loaded, won't check I. < 1209716372 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought CCBI implemented STRN? < 1209716797 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1209716911 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phenax, there still? I made my counter a bit nicer: http://rafb.net/p/ijksY522.html < 1209716912 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1209717610 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arr, I've lost the more optimized forms of that recursive fibonacci that were on mooz's befunge page which is now gone; I only have the intermediate form http://rafb.net/p/Ra5Nj196.html < 1209722018 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: & is quite precisely specified, negatives don't work. < 1209722042 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as regards STRN, evidently the mycology version that's out has an 'r' left there instead of '('. :-P < 1209722265 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That & specification sounds curious: it reads "up until (but not including) the point -- where the next digit would cause a cell overflow"; but in one particular case that depends on the character. For signed 32-bit, after reading "214748364" you should still read the next digit if it's 0-7, but not if it's 8 or 9. < 1209722344 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how many implement it like that. < 1209722351 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CCBI does. :-) < 1209722366 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it needs a one-character lookahead for the "stopped being digits" thing anyway. < 1209722405 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although there's probably a specific input where CCBI gets confused and returns the wrong thing. < 1209722683 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1209722693 0 :bsmntbombdood_!n=gavin@75-166-190-148.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1209722722 0 :Tritonio!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1209723858 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back for a moment < 1209723865 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I don't need to worry < 1209723867 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strtoll: < 1209723869 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : If the correct value is outside the range of representable values, {LONG_MIN}, {LONG_MAX}, {LLONG_MIN}, or {LLONG_MAX} shall be returned (according to the < 1209723869 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : sign of the value), and errno set to [ERANGE]. < 1209723900 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from POSIX specs for strtol/strtoll < 1209724064 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait, that may not work < 1209724933 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what good does strtol do, if you want to stop reading before an overflow would occurr, and not clamp the value. < 1209724935 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1209724948 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess I will have to change it < 1209724972 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, gnulib got a strtoll < 1209724973 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I can just use a copy with some changes I hope < 1209724998 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, seems more complex < 1209725005 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Unisex." < 1209725005 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1209725005 0 :Slereah!n=gtuilt@ANantes-252-1-48-135.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1209726264 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# define LLONG_MAX 9223372036854775807LL < 1209726265 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please input a number: 777777777777777777777777777777777777777 < 1209726265 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UNDEF: got 3014526681976609905 which is hopefully correct. < 1209726265 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1209726309 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works fine for numbers that doesn't overflow < 1209726446 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :7777777777777777777 * 10 + 7 = 3990801482939571313 !? < 1209726454 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, Deewiant ^ < 1209726459 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know, don't care < 1209726466 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stepping through gdb seems to show it is < 1209726469 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's insane < 1209726676 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I don't think that's very strange. 77777777777777777777 modulo 2^64 is 3990801482939571313. < 1209726709 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it overflows in other words < 1209726718 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, how do I detect that happened? < 1209726762 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if less than it was before? < 1209726769 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are there cases where that won't work? < 1209726848 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh but I did use signed type, int64_t, not uint64_t < 1209726851 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1209727007 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Signedness doesn't really matter that much. Or, well, it does matter in that signed integer overflow is undefined behaviour, but most places use two's-complement representation for signed numbers and do the sensible thing. < 1209727039 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, how would you handle this reading then < 1209727075 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, the "overflow to avoid" would be either 32-bit signed or 64-bit signed, depending on compile time options < 1209727299 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if you want to catch the overflow before it happens, you need two tests; if x > FOO_MAX/10, then already the x*10 would overflow, and if that x*10 > FOO_MAX-a, then x*10+a would overflow. < 1209727415 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, is the result of signed overflow undefined or implementation defined < 1209727420 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in C99 < 1209727433 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Undefined is my guess, but I didn't check the standard. < 1209727540 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't seem to be mentioned with the word "overflow" at least < 1209727565 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only thing about overflow is for floating point < 1209727622 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I see < 1209727634 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :search doesn't find ligatures in the pdf < 1209727648 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"overflow" that isn't fl but a ligature < 1209727653 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sighs
< 1209727793 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, 3.4.3 undefined behavior "An example of undefined behavior is the behavior on integer overflow." < 1209727821 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1209727829 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, and that was the ligature < 1209727840 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so didn't find it with a search at first < 1209727843 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb, phone < 1209727845 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Xpdf really should allow searching with regexps, 'over.low' would've helped. < 1209728110 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well kpdf < 1209728121 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but same engine I think < 1209728129 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :poppler or whatever it is called < 1209728156 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, even odder is that the search dialog contains a regex checkbox, but it is greyed out < 1209728170 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is the standard KDE search dialog so... < 1209729694 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gaiz. < 1209729701 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any of you knows how to use rost? < 1209729710 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frost < 1209731512 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frost? sounds familiar < 1209731516 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't place the name < 1209731525 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah, related to freenet? < 1209734779 0 :Corun!n=Corun@halls-129-31-72-183.hor.ic.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1209735304 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster : yes < 1209735331 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like the usenet of freenet. < 1209735821 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1209735911 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah, I used that once < 1209735914 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was ages ago < 1209735922 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't remember really < 1209735927 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well first you need freenet < 1209735932 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you need frost < 1209735939 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frost is already isnstalled < 1209735945 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would you happen to know how to download the archives of a group? < 1209735948 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both are coded in java iirc, so you'll need a JRE < 1209735958 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have anything more recent than the instalation. < 1209735962 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah, I think they are announced on some list < 1209735968 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they are public < 1209735975 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no list of all the groups existing < 1209735985 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather, you got to know the name < 1209735986 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already know the groups < 1209735995 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I want is, the messages from before I got thar. < 1209736003 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is some list where ppl announce groups < 1209736012 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah, huh? that is not possible really < 1209736025 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember doing that on some newsgroup :o < 1209736031 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no archive of old messages < 1209736034 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it was not me, but a guy who helped me. < 1209736050 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got like messages years old that way < 1209736067 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor is there by default for usenet < 1209736091 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah, also by default frost will expire old messages iirc < 1209736093 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are newsgroups just utterly terrible? < 1209736102 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er? < 1209736110 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, as a value judgement. < 1209736123 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah, look, if no one is doing public logging of an irc channel, there won't be any history < 1209736132 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the same for usenet afaik < 1209736138 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and definitly the same for freenet < 1209736144 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where logging would be considered BAD as well < 1209736171 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is quite bad when there's the concept of threads involved. < 1209736185 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even a few days of old messages would be nice! < 1209736201 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not to post repetitive threads that you can't see. < 1209738307 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah, anonymity and security are considered more important I think < 1209738420 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Making an archive won't make them less anonymous :o < 1209738441 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And since anyone can join, not that less secure. < 1209738536 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that depends on group < 1209738539 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some need key < 1209741412 0 :Judofyr_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Judofyr < 1209742016 0 :chammiya!n=chamms@ip-208-109-254-83.ip.secureserver.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1209742030 0 :chammiya!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1209742075 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-085-016-239-212.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1209744487 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1209744518 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@cE699BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1209744688 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1209744704 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@oklopol.yok.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1209744714 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@cE699BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1209747137 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.92.194 JOIN :#esoteric < 1209747481 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1209748497 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.92.194 JOIN :#esoteric < 1209748564 0 :Phenax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.ca/1005115 - How come this doesn't work in Befunge? (Noob) < 1209748578 0 :Phenax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should endlessly loop through numbers and output 1 if even 0 if odd < 1209749179 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's take a look < 1209749249 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait a bit, i need to look up what the opers are < 1209749284 0 :Phenax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://quadium.net/funge/spec98.html < 1209749297 0 :Phenax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://quadium.net/funge/spec98.html#Quickref < 1209749345 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1209749360 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, naturally that will crash after 9, you're aware of that? < 1209749390 0 :Phenax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i need to do 010p somewhere before that < 1209749396 0 :Phenax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why isn't it working up to 9 < 1209749467 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it do ? < 1209749477 0 :Phenax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should endlessly loop through numbers and output 1 if even 0 if odd < 1209749484 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but what does it do? < 1209749491 0 :Phenax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1209749493 0 :Phenax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing < 1209749504 0 :Phenax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it gets stuck in an infinite loop somewhere < 1209749563 0 :Phenax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got to go now.. i'll play around with it later < 1209749573 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll try and locate the problem < 1209749577 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Single-stepping with the javascript befunge interpreter made it look like it'd work up to 9. < 1209749591 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, there you havit < 1209749592 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*have it < 1209749599 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if you're not printing a newline, your interpreter might not show the output. < 1209749799 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :After '9' it first turns to a ":" which shouldn't cause too much trouble, then a ";" which in funge98 should probably be a no-op since it'll just wrap-around, and after that it'll become a "<", at which points there'll be "><" in the top left corner and it'll get stuck there. < 1209749815 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get an output of "1 0 1 0 1 0 1 0 1 0 1 1" before that. < 1209749855 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie - the third befunge expert in this channel! < 1209750019 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I really wouldn't use the word "expert"; all I've done in Befunge (apart from some even sillier tests) are that recursive fibonacci and a turing machine interpreter, syntax-highlighted; and I even lost that last one. < 1209750112 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: But you can read and write it ;) < 1209750205 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's not that many instructions in it, after all. < 1209750238 0 :Corun!n=Corun@halls-129-31-72-183.hor.ic.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1209750994 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep" < 1209751393 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: and he's partially implemented a Befunge-98 interpreter. :-P < 1209751405 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: WHO HASN'T < 1209751405 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1209751407 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1209751418 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/implemented/released/ ;-) < 1209751475 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also has a habit of doing a befunge-93 interpreter (except with "a-f work as hexadacimal digits, and ' like in funge-98" features) whenever learning a new language. < 1209751722 0 :Phenax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah.. My problem I fixed < 1209751732 0 :Phenax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just figured out ccbi debugger well :) < 1209751740 0 :Phenax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.ca/1005156 -> working copy < 1209751754 0 :Phenax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :change 'a' to '52*' on befunge 93 obv < 1209751813 0 :Phenax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g2g < 1209751925 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cfunge 0.2.1 will be released in a few hours < 1209752047 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, "syntax-highlighted"? < 1209752058 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how on earth do you syntax highlight befunge? < 1209752065 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: um < 1209752066 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :his OUTPUT < 1209752069 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was syntax hgihglihted < 1209752070 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after all, stuff can mean different things depending on direction < 1209752070 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and besides < 1209752071 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok < 1209752072 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1209752075 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course you can syntax highlight befunge < 1209752080 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just needs to be clever < 1209752087 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well extremely cleaver < 1209752100 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: just make things *shade* < 1209752102 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DD < 1209752106 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then they combine < 1209752115 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ I got no clue how to handle stuff like, something being a string one way, and a code path the other < 1209752116 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, no. The code was syntax-highlighted. < 1209752125 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I used about a dozen different colors for it. < 1209752126 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say: < 1209752130 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : v < 1209752136 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"abc" < 1209752146 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : + < 1209752147 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever < 1209752158 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you shade it so that "a and c" are string colour < 1209752161 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :v and + are their colour < 1209752166 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and b is a blend of its instruction colour < 1209752166 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then there is x < 1209752167 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and string colour < 1209752168 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DDD < 1209752172 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can have a string spread out < 1209752177 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: read what i said < 1209752179 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's evil < 1209752180 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but delicious < 1209752184 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just made an HTML table, with different background colors for different areas. I think there were three sets of colors. < 1209752188 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by first setting delta to be non-cardinal < 1209752219 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then a documentation block. "This ugly-red part frozzes the buzznigator. The ugly-green part is where the magic happens. This even uglier color... I don't know what it does." < 1209752233 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, true, but you still can't handle non-cardinal code paths, in fact I think being able to perfectly syntax highlight any possible befunge would require tracing the program < 1209752236 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Literate colorforth! < 1209752249 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that could work ... most of the time < 1209752254 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, say if the program used p to put an x in the code, then executed that x < 1209752258 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't use filesystem and similar fingerprints < 1209752258 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1209752275 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how the heck would the syntax highlighter know where the string was < 1209752298 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, err, x sets delta, that means, you can do stuff like executed every third instruction diagonally < 1209752299 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: tracing the program < 1209752304 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ;D < 1209752305 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :string handling that way would suck < 1209752323 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, right, as if you want that on a buggy program with o instructon < 1209752327 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instruction* < 1209752338 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then there is ?, so tracing *may* lead to different results < 1209752340 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i'm joking. Can you please make yourself familiar with the concept? < 1209752352 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh, you seemed like serious < 1209752370 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I was, in an evil-maniac-grin-with-bloodshot-gawping-eyes kind of way < 1209752377 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1209752387 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you might get relatively interesting-looking syntax highlighting with purely static program analysis, although of course all Real Befunge Programs are self-modifying-to-a-high-degree. Still, it'd be... colorful. < 1209753404 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1209753417 0 :sauxdado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntax highlighting befunge has been done < 1209753467 0 :sauxdado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(using tracing and re-tracing when the program gets modified, i'm pretty sure) < 1209753983 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1209754454 0 :Corun!n=Corun@halls-129-31-72-183.hor.ic.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1209754712 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sauxdado, yeah, that would be the only way for non-simple cases < 1209754737 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trace highlight that way has been done for befunge93 I'm pretty sure < 1209754746 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but rendered as a image < 1209754782 0 :sauxdado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you want some other befunge? < 1209754794 0 :sauxdado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it gets trickier with 98 features < 1209754844 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sauxdado, of course I want 98 < 1209754856 0 :sauxdado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1209754873 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather, that is what I would care about < 1209754884 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not that interested in highlighting really < 1209754888 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of befunge I mean < 1209754914 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is about to release cfunge soon, waiting for stuff to build and upload it
< 1209754921 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :version 0.2.1-pre1 < 1209755159 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :got TRDS done yet? < 1209755429 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1209755439 0 :jix!n=jix@host-091-096-147-001.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1209756028 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cfunge-0.2.1-pre1 uploaded < 1209756031 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I won't do it < 1209756032 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. < 1209756050 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, https://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?group_id=221310&release_id=596614 < 1209756090 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah, that's it < 1209756097 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm writing a funge-98 interpreter < 1209756100 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :f*ck you guys < 1209756102 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1209756106 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what?! < 1209756109 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1209756118 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: shame. :-) < 1209756128 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i can no longer face the torment < 1209756138 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and trds NEEDS IMPLEMENTING DAMNIT < 1209756153 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ccbi got it < 1209756193 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ccbi is not fruit < 1209756200 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err? < 1209756259 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :common citrus-based implementation? < 1209756279 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1209756293 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hah < 1209756301 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ccbi is NOT fruit < 1209756360 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My interp will be called cegnuf < 1209756364 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION glances angrily at AnMaster
< 1209756404 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :handprint CNUF < 1209756487 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1209756515 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: any suggestions on how to do N-funge? < 1209756517 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean.. < 1209756522 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how on earth will I do the hashtable < 1209756522 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1209756538 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1209756552 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cfunge isn't fruit either? < 1209756553 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ?? < 1209756563 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cell[cellidx][cellidx][size_t] < 1209756573 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where the size_t is N. :-) < 1209756578 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: CCBI IS NOT FRUIT DAMNIT < 1209756580 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, just use a hash with, say, void* and size_t len < 1209756585 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: hahaha < 1209756593 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yeah < 1209756597 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1209756607 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coord_t* < 1209756608 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1209756611 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather < 1209756615 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cg_coord_t* < 1209756620 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it is easy to do it for any finite defined n at compile time < 1209756624 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by which point i'll have sex with c's _t notation < 1209756625 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and just do < 1209756626 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :COORD* < 1209756636 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how having sex with the notation makes me do that though < 1209756638 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's NP-complete < 1209756643 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: at run-time < 1209756650 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be easy to change cfunge to be able to do either 1 or 3 dimensions at *compile* time < 1209756656 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'd hate to do it at runtime... < 1209756777 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: hm, should I support up to size_t's max in dimensions ;) < 1209756784 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll slow things down a lot if I do that < 1209756794 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm considering just using a 'char' < 1209756797 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, 255d is a lot < 1209756834 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would it slow things down < 1209756835 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1209756839 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BIGNUM? < 1209756847 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or how are you planning on implementing this < 1209756855 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, point is you need to select it at start of program < 1209756864 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to vector size < 1209756869 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ... bignum-dimensions? < 1209756870 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think not < 1209756876 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: the hash function, etc < 1209756878 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and .. stuffs < 1209756882 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yeah and bignum data type! < 1209756893 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, there are general purpose hashing functions < 1209756896 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just define: < 1209756907 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :typedef struct COORD { < 1209756911 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : size_t len; < 1209756922 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not the point AnMaster < 1209756925 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : int64_t dimension[] < 1209756927 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :} < 1209756930 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :add the missing ; < 1209756932 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you don't get it < 1209756935 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that works in C99 < 1209756939 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, not really no < 1209756990 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I'm not sure you'd need to make a hash table of the dimensions, why not just an ordinary table < 1209757006 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: er what < 1209757008 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungespace is a hash table < 1209757015 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1209757027 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so essentially you have N nested hash tables < 1209757035 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where N is your dimensionality < 1209757039 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you have one hash table < 1209757043 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which has coordinates like AnMaster's < 1209757055 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in either case, where are you hashing N? < 1209757073 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or needing values which index to [1..N] anyway < 1209757079 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or am I confused :-S < 1209757126 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1209757179 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one hash table < 1209757182 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: you need to hash N elements < 1209757193 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1209757227 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... where does it matter whether the type of N is ubyte or size_t, it should make no difference until N > 255 < 1209757253 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that if N == 255+1 for ubyte, it's 0, wheras for size_t it's 256. ;-) < 1209757284 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: OK, not speed, I meant in space < 1209757298 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say the difference is negligible still < 1209757320 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(x+1) times y bytes or x times y bytes + 1 < 1209757439 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: can you even put a size_t in an a[b] in C? < 1209757457 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh what now? < 1209757475 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"an a[b]"? < 1209757505 0 :Corun!n=Corun@halls-129-31-72-183.hor.ic.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1209757625 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an a[b] expr < 1209757643 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :size_t x[]; < 1209757648 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :size_t y = x[0]; < 1209757662 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what you're trying to ask :-P < 1209757715 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :size_t is a type, you can use it the way you can use any integer type in C. < 1209757758 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1209757759 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know that < 1209757767 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what are you asking? < 1209758148 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1209758350 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yeah tell us < 1209758384 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for type used to index array, it would be size_t or ptrdiff_t in fact < 1209758400 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually any integer type would work I thin < 1209758403 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :think* < 1209758410 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :negative integer may work even < 1209758418 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure about that though < 1209758449 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it'll work < 1209758457 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a[i] is just *(a+i) < 1209758479 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just not sure if it is allowed syntax to have negative i < 1209758483 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if it is undefined or such < 1209758489 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no syntax about it < 1209758492 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's all it is < 1209758523 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have int x[5] = {0,1,2,3,4}; int *p = x+2; then p[-1] == 1 < 1209758552 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure the compiler might warn you though since there's no reason why you'd want to do something like that :-P < 1209758720 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah probably < 1209758732 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, however x[-1] is undefined I assume? < 1209758748 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :undefined or just plain illegal < 1209758753 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably the latter < 1209758758 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're accessing memory you haven't allocated < 1209758770 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it *could* work < 1209758777 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending on if there is anything in front < 1209758801 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it's undefined, I don't know < 1209758804 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not something you want to do anyway < 1209758810 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1209758813 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with that I agree < 1209758814 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you can't know whether there is anything in front < 1209758919 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x[-1] is just like x[45345] < 1209758923 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same definedness < 1209758951 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, and I don't know the definedness :-) < 1209758956 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: 'not' < 1209758971 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'not', or 'defined' && == illegal < 1209758992 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc even x-1 (as a pointer) is undefined if x is an array < 1209759063 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: demons flying out of your NOSE < 1209759147 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh noes, nasal demons < 1209759224 0 :sauxdado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan's like that < 1209759232 0 :sauxdado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :full of little surprises < 1209759499 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION notes something did try to fly _into_ his nose earlier today. gah!
< 1209759740 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: What, demons? < 1209759832 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannot say as i failed to get a good glimpse of it < 1209759929 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for all i know they may be inside, eating my brain at this very moment < 1209759958 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: fizzie: But you can read and write it ;) <<< well, i did just read the example too, that's not really a task < 1209759994 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: somehow my client only highlights up to <<< < 1209759995 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird < 1209759997 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: test <<< a < 1209760430 0 :Tritonio!n=tritonio@150.140.226.101 JOIN :#esoteric < 1209760484 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :making n dimensions is trivial! < 1209760509 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...what is that weird language you're speaking there, some new syntax for python? < 1209760550 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1209760620 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you want a <<< test ehird like <<< this? < 1209760714 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm thinking it is trying to highlight pasted irc messages separately from the actual message so if says ehird then the end is highlight-colored! < 1209760758 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ehird: fizzie: But you can read and write it ;) <<< well, i did just read the example too, that's not really a task < 1209760761 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the notify highlight ends at <<< < 1209761005 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or does it end at the )? :-) < 1209761142 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: ;) <<< this is a smiley < 1209761154 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: ;) is a smiley, i mean < 1209761184 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;)<<< this is a smiley for ants < 1209761346 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird <<< ehird <<< test2 <<< test3 which part did it highlight to? < 1209761366 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of it < 1209761367 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1209761395 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is serious business, we just have to know what the logic is < 1209761403 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's all make tests all night long < 1209761459 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION throws a PSOX in there j/k
< 1209761532 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: just paste your previous line < 1209761535 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: fizzie: But you can read and write it ;) <<< well, i did just read the example too, that's not really a task < 1209761536 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one < 1209761601 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: fizzie: But you can read and write it ;) <<< well, i did just read the example too, that's not really a task < 1209761602 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that? < 1209761950 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1209761950 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1209761950 0 :cmeme!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1209761990 0 :Slereah!n=gtuilt@ANantes-252-1-48-135.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1209761990 0 :cmeme!n=cmeme@boa.b9.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1209761990 0 :lifthrasiir!n=lifthras@haje8.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1209762574 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: sooo < 1209762576 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ircd golf < 1209762581 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1209762583 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't GOLF it < 1209762584 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be silly < 1209762589 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rfc is too big for that < 1209762594 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ... try and make it short < 1209762600 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just .. still indent it and have newlines ;) < 1209762688 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your mother is silly, i wanna golf it < 1209762749 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: have you ever read the rfc < 1209762758 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to implement easily 100 cmds or so < 1209762785 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i've read it, but i definately know how long it is < 1209762813 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does that have anything to do with being fun to golf? < 1209762848 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it'll be very hard to write like that < 1209762876 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RFC for what? < 1209762900 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: the words are there. < 1209763003 0 :andreou!i=ee4299@nemesis.ee.teiath.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1209763042 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone using contextfree? < 1209763093 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Context free grammar? < 1209763112 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i suppose you could say it's a context-free grammar < 1209763116 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.contextfreeart.org/ < 1209763333 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: how's the ircd going < 1209763476 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i'm not gonna start *now*, i'm rewriting my todo list in rot-13 < 1209763520 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you have to wash your hair? < 1209763542 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i have three languages in the making atm, so i'm a bit exfoculated < 1209763569 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: as a matter of fact i've reduced showering into once/twice a week, so not for a while < 1209763576 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: come on, i'll give you money < 1209763576 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1209763578 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION congratulates oklopol with inventing a word that google cannot find
< 1209763597 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exfoculate? how can something that beautiful not exist < 1209763680 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foculate can be googled, but only 13 hits, so may be misspelled < 1209763751 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Formulated to foculate (group together in a mass) dirt particles from water..." < 1209763764 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :focculate gives a bit more < 1209763765 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: They probably have their asses under the knunder. < 1209763773 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's only funny 'cause I internet-know the guy who came up with that word.) < 1209763778 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Kinda) < 1209763872 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe... Exfoliate? < 1209763962 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, those are misspellings of "flocculate" < 1209764030 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: iz ircd dun < 1209764155 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm leaving soon, actually < 1209764715 0 :Iskr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1209764883 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1209765231 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb in 30 mins < 1209765809 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb in 30 YEARS < 1209765810 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.2 :: www.regroup-esports.com )" < 1209766068 0 :sauxdado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet he wasn't joking. < 1209766409 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sauxdado, sure? < 1209766419 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think he will be back tomorrow at most < 1209766422 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or next week < 1209766446 0 :sauxdado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose we could ban him for 30 years < 1209766553 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don < 1209766554 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't* < 1209767412 0 :ais523!n=ais523@pw01-fap01.bham.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1209768054 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ais523|busy < 1209768830 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1209768837 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : don't* < 1209768838 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do < 1209769009 0 :sauxdado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only problem is < 1209769013 0 :sauxdado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we could ban him for 30 years < 1209769025 0 :sauxdado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's only half the process < 1209769036 0 :sauxdado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we also need to ensure that he comes back afterwards < 1209769063 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sauxdado: stalk him < 1209769071 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for 30 years < 1209769075 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then kidnap etc < 1209769120 0 :sauxdado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1209769133 0 :sauxdado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also we'd have to ensure that freenode still exists in 30 years < 1209769203 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sauxdado: nah we can define an official convention for moving it around < 1209769207 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then itd be formal < 1209769212 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and tyhe same place < 1209769251 0 :sauxdado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we might as well just define that for 30 years #esoteric exists in outer space, and starting in 30 years, it exists right where oklopol is < 1209769278 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1209769297 0 :sauxdado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if oklopol comes into this channel, he's not actually in #esoteric. < 1209769301 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1209769302 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sauxdado: but what if he dies < 1209769317 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or becomes an astronaut < 1209769334 0 :sauxdado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :death doesn't matter < 1209769353 0 :sauxdado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i guess instead of "outer space", just define "somewhere where oklopol isn't" < 1209769384 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sauxdado: but what if there is no afterlife and his body decays? < 1209769388 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is 'he'? < 1209769496 0 :digital_me!n=digital@wikipedia/Digitalme JOIN :#esoteric < 1209769500 0 :sauxdado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1209769520 0 :sauxdado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's a problem. We must keep him alive for 30 yeras < 1209769521 0 :sauxdado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*years < 1209769533 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sauxdado: hah < 1209769547 0 :sauxdado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not just alive, but we must keep him _oklopol_ < 1209769553 0 :sauxdado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's not allowed to change into something else < 1209769565 0 :sauxdado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just to be on the safe side, we can't let him for example use dentures < 1209769578 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sauxdado: looool < 1209769587 0 :sauxdado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, in 7 years all the molecules in your body get replaced... < 1209769602 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sauxdado: that's a problem... < 1209769606 0 :sauxdado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the question of identity is really tricky < 1209769659 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sauxdado: we need a philosopher and a biologist, stat < 1209769689 0 :sauxdado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternatively, we could redefine oklopol to mean something more convenient < 1209769703 0 :sauxdado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, define oklopol to be "that which will come to #esoteric in 30 years" < 1209769718 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sauxdado: hahahahahahahah < 1209769722 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is great < 1209769736 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what if nothing comes < 1209769745 0 :sauxdado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it wasn't oklopol :) < 1209769751 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the *absense* of something come? < 1209769774 0 :sauxdado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case, oklopol would be the absence of non-oklopol. < 1209769796 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1209769824 0 :sauxdado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need to tell oklopol that he's been redefined < 1209769854 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sauxdado: but he wont be back for 30ys < 1209769875 0 :sauxdado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, we need to tell that which used to be oklopol. < 1209770300 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1209770301 0 :Tritonio!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1209770324 0 :comex!n=comex@ool-457c333e.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1209770781 0 :sauxdado!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :saudado < 1209771451 0 :Tritonio!n=tritonio@150.140.227.137 JOIN :#esoteric < 1209771910 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :bsmntbombdood < 1209772094 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"CommandQ" < 1209772313 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1209772344 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@cE699BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1209772453 0 :digital_me!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1209772459 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :iGeo < 1209772472 0 :iGeo!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :iSgeo < 1209772522 0 :iSgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Sgeo