00:11:14 oklopol: So 00:11:17 infd5iar 00:11:17 now 00:11:40 no, now sleep 00:11:51 @end 00:11:51 Ending current game. 00:12:03 oklopol: lies 00:17:28 Hmm, who's this inf-anf-oh? 00:20:03 ihope: A bawt. 00:20:05 @join 00:20:05 ehird joined the game. 00:20:12 ihope: @join-er-ate it. 00:20:34 @join 00:20:34 ihope joined the game. 00:20:39 @start 00:20:39 Number of players not an integer greater than one. 00:20:45 @start 2 00:20:45 Starting game with players: ehird and ihope. 00:20:51 ihope: It's infinite-D tic tac toe 00:20:53 @move 1 2 3 4 5 00:20:53 ehird succesfully added a piece. 00:21:01 Oof. 00:21:02 ihope: Basically, any finite length list of co-ords is cyclec. 00:21:04 *cycled 00:21:08 @move 1 2 3 4 00:21:08 ihope succesfully added a piece. 00:21:10 ihope: And you have two speshul syntaxes: 00:21:13 range 00:21:17 range with c as step 00:21:18 and one more 00:21:21 [a b c] 00:21:25 'for each thing named a in b' 00:21:26 'do c' 00:21:27 so 00:21:34 [a <1 50> {5 a}] 00:21:37 ihope: goes 00:21:45 {5 1 5 2 5 3 .. 5 50 5 1} 00:21:47 ihope: etc 00:21:52 @move 1 2 3 4 6 00:21:52 ehird succesfully added a piece. 00:21:55 Interesting. 00:22:00 @mvoe 1 2 3 4 7 00:22:05 @movee 1 2 3 4 7 00:22:08 ihope: er, when I said tic tac toe 00:22:10 I meant five in a row 00:22:12 @move 1 2 3 4 7 00:22:12 ihope succesfully added a piece. 00:22:23 @move 1 2 3 5 6 00:22:23 ehird succesfully added a piece. 00:22:31 @move 1 00:22:31 ihope succesfully added a piece. 00:22:40 @move 1 2 3 3 6 00:22:40 ehird succesfully added a piece. 00:23:08 ihope: yer turn 00:23:11 @move [a <1 50> [b <1 50> {a b}]] 00:23:17 ihope succesfully added a piece. 00:23:28 @move 1 2 3 1 6 00:23:28 ehird succesfully added a piece. 00:23:36 oshit 00:23:40 i'm not actually doing 5 in a row here 00:23:40 am i 00:23:47 Mm, I have to go. 00:23:54 I have no idea. :-P 00:24:00 ihope: DUN GO 00:24:01 :< 00:24:27 I have homework. 00:24:57 Fine. 00:24:57 :P 00:24:58 @end 00:24:59 Ending current game. 00:25:02 ihope: It's oklopol's btw. 00:25:15 Cool. 00:41:54 so. 00:41:55 butter. 00:51:44 -!- UnrelatedToQaz has joined. 00:52:51 UnrelatedToQaz: BECOME QAZ 00:52:53 -!- ehird has changed nick to Qaz. 00:52:55 D'aww. 00:52:56 -!- Qaz has changed nick to ehird. 00:53:31 Shouldn't the title be something like "(international hub) for (esoteric (programming languages))"? 00:53:36 Or have I missed something 00:53:38 ? 00:53:40 UnrelatedToQaz: Probably. 00:53:41 Fix it. 00:53:48 UnrelatedToQaz: Also, Qaz is used on one place: wikipedia 00:53:49 That sux 00:53:49 :< 00:53:58 I want that name. 00:53:58 Haha. 00:54:01 ehird: Well, I wouldn't know. 00:54:05 I'm totally unrelated. 00:54:16 UnrelatedToQaz: Are you the wikipedia qaz? 00:54:18 I say yes. :P 00:54:27 No. 00:54:29 I'm totally unrelated. 00:54:36 UnrelatedToQaz: Apart from making a joke out of your nick. 00:54:42 I'm the wikipedia IslandHopper973. 00:54:51 Damn...my secret identity... 00:54:53 NOOOO 00:55:19 -!- ehird has changed nick to tozogt. 00:55:29 UnrelatedToQaz: This magic nickname will help me get qaz! 00:55:35 (ehird has already claimed too many nicks in #freenode) 00:56:43 -!- tozogt has changed nick to Qaz. 00:57:10 HAHAHAHAAHAHHAHA 00:57:11 IT IS MINE 00:57:18 I WOULD USE THIS EVERYWHERE IF A WIKIPEDIA-FAG HADN'T TAKEN IT 00:57:19 :( 00:57:22 Weren't you Qaz before? 00:57:31 UnrelatedToQaz: Yes, but it was registered. 00:57:48 * UnrelatedToQaz is enlightened 00:58:12 ok, the wp guy is the _only_ guy using Qaz I can find 00:58:15 unfortunately, I kinda like WP. 00:58:19 so I can't use this nick everywhere 00:58:28 -!- UnrelatedToQaz has set topic: (international hub) for (esoteric (programming languages)) ^D http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric ^D^D. 00:58:34 There we go. 00:58:41 Just gonna check if it's worked... 00:58:43 -!- UnrelatedToQaz has left (?). 00:58:47 -!- UnrelatedToQaz has joined. 00:58:56 Yep, it's good. 01:01:43 -!- Qaz has set topic: UnrelatedtoaxqzUnrelatedtoaxqzUnrelatedtoaxqzUnrelatedtoaxqz http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric. 01:01:47 -!- Qaz has changed nick to ehird. 01:04:38 who's axqz? 01:06:14 UnrelatedToQaz: dunno? 01:06:40 ehird: you're the one who changed the topic to show that this thread is unrelated to e 01:06:49 UnrelatedToQaz: :) 01:07:09 -!- ehird has set topic: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric. 01:07:35 ehird: ... 01:09:13 -!- UnrelatedToQaz has set topic: UnrelatedToEhird http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric. 01:09:29 -!- AnMaster_ has joined. 01:10:09 -!- UnrelatedToQaz has set topic: -- This topic is certified UnrelatedToEhird -- Logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric --. 01:10:19 -!- UnrelatedToQaz has left (?). 01:10:22 -!- UnrelatedToQaz has joined. 01:13:08 That done... 01:13:21 Well, it's getting late. 01:13:29 (1.13am, by my clock) 01:13:36 so I had better get to bed. 01:13:47 Using a warm fuzzy thing as a pillow of course 01:13:54 (lovely haskell) 01:14:09 -!- UnrelatedToQaz has left (?). 01:20:17 -!- AnMaster has quit (Connection timed out). 01:21:11 -!- timotiis has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 01:37:30 Bye for today :-) 01:37:50 -!- ehird has quit (Remote closed the connection). 01:48:48 -!- Slereah has joined. 01:49:11 -!- slereah__ has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 02:00:50 Hmm. The phrase "international hub for esoteric programming languages" is really just the word "hub" with "international" and "for esoteric programming languages" tacked on. In the phrase "for esoteric programming languages", you have the indicator thingy, "for", followed by "esoteric programming languages", which is "esoteric" and "programming" tacked onto "languages". 02:00:57 * ihope congratulates himself 02:01:41 If you were to reduce that phrase fully, you'd have "hub"; expand it a bit and you get "international hub for languages", then "international hub for programming languages", then "international hub for esoteric programming languages". 02:09:37 -!- Corun has quit ("This computer has gone to sleep"). 02:13:08 (international ((esoteric (programming language)) hub)) is the whole description tree 02:13:19 (a b) is b, with a as a descriptor 02:13:39 you can always drop a, because (a b) is always, b, and a is just additional information. 02:14:08 * oklopol congratulates himself 02:15:41 HUB 03:03:53 (international hub [for (esoteric (programming languages))]) 03:05:36 Or maybe better: hub [for (languages programming esoteric)] international 03:07:48 [This (is [a sentence])]. [You (like do ([this sentence] [of mine]))]? 03:09:33 for is not important there 03:09:58 it is just another way to attach information to "international hub" 03:10:35 in this case just "international esoteric programming language hub" is unambiguous enough 03:11:06 and if it weren't, using that structure for a sentence with for is a bit too englishish to be a formalization 03:11:11 But the "for" still exists. 03:11:25 I'm not after formalization; I'm after description. Or something. 03:11:34 description? 03:11:43 i thought you were breaking it down 03:11:53 "for" doesn't carry meaning there 03:12:27 (well technically it does, but not important here) 03:12:49 I'm breaking it down, kind of detailing all the grammatical constructs. "For" is part of a grammatical construct. 03:13:00 well sure 03:13:02 hmm 03:13:26 (This (is [a sentence])]. [You (like do ([this sentence] [of mine]))] can you help me with the meanings of () and []? 03:15:15 Well, () is just used for grouping things together into phrases. "Phrase1 phrase2" functions as phrase1 with phrase2 somehow modifying it. [Phrase1 phrase2] is some other construct that behaves as neither phrase1 nor phrase2; maybe phrase1 is always an "indicator word" like "for" and phrase2 is always something of meaning. 03:32:29 -!- Slereah has quit ("Konversation terminated!"). 05:49:02 -!- GreaseMonkey has joined. 06:16:50 -!- sekhmet has quit ("zomg"). 06:20:53 -!- sekhmet has joined. 06:38:19 -!- Slereah has joined. 06:38:27 Hello sirs 06:39:02 Would you have any sort of idea as of why, with my reinstallation of windows and the NVIDIA pilot, I'm currently in 16 colors, without the possibility to go higher 06:39:27 I had more colors *before* installing the pilot, for some reason 06:41:25 Fuck. 06:41:30 I hate reinstalling windows. 06:51:44 -!- Slereah has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 07:41:40 -!- Slereah_ has joined. 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 08:01:22 -!- AnMaster_ has changed nick to AnMaster. 08:02:25 oklopol, WHAT? was that highlight for? 08:12:17 -!- AnMaster has quit ("ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"). 08:35:13 -!- Slereah_ has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 09:07:29 -!- Corun has joined. 09:14:56 -!- jix has joined. 09:16:16 -!- Iskr has joined. 09:28:12 -!- Corun has quit ("This computer has gone to sleep"). 09:38:59 -!- timotiis has joined. 10:34:43 -!- GreaseMonkey has quit ("Unisex."). 10:36:01 -!- jix has quit (Nick collision from services.). 10:36:08 -!- jix has joined. 10:51:47 -!- AnMaster has joined. 11:37:12 AnMaster: it was about playing inf-anf-oh 11:37:30 oklopol, and what is that? 11:38:58 the great thing about this channel is i can explain anything as many times as i like :D 11:39:27 AnMaster: it's 11:39:29 @end 11:39:30 Ending current game. 11:39:33 @join 11:39:33 oklopol joined the game. 11:40:19 hm? 11:41:48 well you gotta join, don't you? 11:43:56 no time 11:44:25 i'm not sure if anyone has given any thought to this at all, but as i've explained a few times, the row of 5 doesn't need to be actually adjacent pieces (so where for each element L of the distance vector L = 0 | L = -1 | L = 1), which constraint 2d5iar has 11:44:30 was just wondering 11:44:37 when you add a piece 11:44:46 *blink* 11:44:49 it is automatically "next to" infinity pieces 11:45:00 pieces? 11:45:03 of what? 11:45:04 so i'm pretty sure the game is trivial. 11:45:10 AnMaster: it's 5-in-a-row 11:45:23 you mean scrabble or whatever it is called in English? 11:45:25 there is an infinite-dimensional space 11:45:44 and you can add "pieces", meaning you can color one of these points to your color each turn 11:45:53 hmm... 11:45:55 oh, tic-tac-toe or whatever that name is in English? 11:45:56 now that i think of it 11:46:20 or maybe Othello? 11:46:22 i think infinite dimensional 5iar might be analogous to 5iar played on the complex plane 11:46:42 AnMaster: tic-tac-toe, except infinite grid and 5 in a row instead of 3 11:46:57 and can you overwrite other ppl? 11:47:00 no 11:47:12 ok not like Othello then 11:47:18 umm 11:47:25 othello has nothing to do with rows 11:47:39 hm? true, you convert in lines iirc 11:47:53 well the surrounding rules have to do with rows 11:47:53 oklopol, anyway what about complex number plane what on earth has that got to do tic-tac-toe? 11:48:02 but the *goal* has nothing to do with rows 11:48:07 AnMaster: well 11:48:17 you usually play 5iar on 11:48:19 (so esoteric involving complex numbers with a very simple game like that, hehehe) 11:48:23 the (Int, Int) plane 11:49:15 aye, a Cartesian coordinate system 11:49:26 with whole numbers only 11:49:42 and a 5-in-a-row is a 5-tuple (a,b,c,d,e) of pieces of your color where for some (n!=(0,0) and for each i in n: i is one of (-1,0,1)), a+4n = b+3n = c+2n = d+n = e 11:50:09 well n is a 2-tuple ofc 11:50:22 you mean, in a row 11:50:25 well 2d vector really, addition is mapped over axis ofc 11:50:26 :P 11:50:34 what? 11:50:39 "you mean, in a row"? 11:50:50 are you asking the reason for the formalization? 11:51:02 oklopol, well no this *is* #esoteric 11:51:10 the formalization is necessary 11:51:21 because now it's trivial to explain how to play on the real plane 11:51:42 you can insert a piece *anywhere* on the plane 11:52:04 oh, you mean at 3.1415 too? 11:52:17 x=pi y=2e 11:52:20 AnMaster: yes 11:52:29 and a 5-in-a-row is what it is in a normal 5iar, except n can be *any* 2-tuple 11:52:30 oh my 11:52:35 except (0,0) 11:52:42 oklopol, why not 0,0? 11:52:51 if (0,0) was allowed, you'd win on the first turn 11:53:02 oklopol, anyway what about (inf,inf)? 11:53:03 because (a,a,a,a,a) is a 5-in-a-row then 11:53:14 inf is not a number 11:53:26 ok I insert at (NaN,3) 11:53:29 ;) 11:53:30 :) 11:53:40 well, i did specify it's just *reals* 11:53:41 well 11:53:44 ok 11:53:45 then i said it's anything 11:53:47 but just reals. 11:54:02 oklopol, at exactly (pi,e) ;D 11:54:07 in reality, you have to have some "explanation scheme" for the reals you can actually use 11:54:14 because you cannot explain all reals 11:54:20 hm? 11:54:43 anyway irrational numbers will be fun in this 11:54:50 reals are innumerable 11:54:56 indeed 11:55:00 do you use floating point? 11:55:13 that's a bit too restrictive 11:55:21 so what do the program use? 11:55:33 probably some clever number type, dunno 11:55:48 actually... 11:56:03 1*10^-5834^-4747583934 11:56:04 :D 11:56:09 or, even better 11:56:12 at: 11:56:18 (A(G,G),A(G,G)) 11:56:21 i think playing 5iar on a 1-d real range is less restrictive than my current infinite dimensional one, even if you just have cyclic stuff. 11:56:34 A is Ackermann's function, G is Graham's number 11:56:35 :D 11:56:53 I would insert there 11:57:36 good luck making a program that can handle that 11:58:12 float wouldn't work anyway, because you could always insert at smaller resolution than double or whatever can handle 11:58:47 umm 11:58:58 if it has a way to calculate A and G, you can just store the calculation 11:59:14 if it doesn't, there's no way you insert that 12:03:31 -!- Slereah_ has joined. 12:04:22 -!- jix has quit ("This computer has gone to sleep"). 12:06:57 -!- jix has joined. 12:07:45 oklopol, it would be a too huge number to write out in this universe 12:07:48 iirc 12:09:04 Wot? 12:09:17 Are you talking about Unary? 12:11:13 -!- jix has quit (Client Quit). 12:11:14 Slereah_, err no? 12:11:18 Slereah_, 12:11:19 (A(G,G),A(G,G)) 12:11:22 A is Ackermann's function, G is Graham's number 12:11:54 Slereah_, oklopol is planning(?) some kind of 5-in-a-row on the real number plane 12:15:21 G alone is too big to write already. 12:15:40 5-in-a-row? 12:21:47 Slereah_, something like tic-tac-toe 12:22:24 but with 5 instead 12:23:17 -!- oklopol has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)). 12:24:06 -!- inf-anf-oh has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)). 12:29:31 Oh. 12:29:55 Wouldn't a Tic Tac Toe on the real plane be infinitely long? 12:30:20 Or extremely short, actually 12:30:41 Since you can't exhaust the way to put 5, in a row 12:30:47 So the first player wins 12:45:39 -!- RedDak has joined. 14:44:41 -!- jix has joined. 14:51:54 -!- jix has quit ("CommandQ"). 14:52:35 -!- jix has joined. 14:53:17 -!- RedDak has quit (Remote closed the connection). 14:58:16 -!- RedDak has joined. 15:07:40 -!- timotiis has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 15:33:47 Hmm, it's like a five-in-a-row in infinite-dimensional space, isn't it? 15:34:48 Is it? 15:34:57 The word "plane" would make you think not 15:35:59 It would sound like "Put a cross anywhere on a map" 15:36:23 And since you can't exhaust any row, it would be pretty easy to win. Or lose. 15:36:45 But if it's in a discrete infinite dimensional space, who knows. 15:37:14 It should also prolly be of finite extent, otherwise you fall into the same problem again 15:37:54 Unless you need to have a row uninterrupted by the other guy 15:37:55 I dunno 15:42:53 -!- timotiis has joined. 15:46:22 -!- ais523 has joined. 15:48:53 -!- ehird has joined. 15:51:54 -!- ehird has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 15:53:13 -!- ehird has joined. 15:53:18 hi ais523 15:53:26 hi ehird 15:54:14 Hi. 15:54:26 Would you like to make some cool money, ehird? 15:54:33 Slereah_: Yes. 15:54:36 Do you want help with php maila? 15:54:45 I have this daring mission. 15:54:52 (Oh lord, have we got _another_ #esoteric meme?) 15:55:00 Where you will need to hack into a bakery, to get some cake. 15:55:13 Well, it's not everyday we get a good laugh like this! 15:55:16 Slereah_: I am very experience with hack. 15:55:25 What is the specification? 15:55:40 which bit of that is the new meme? 15:55:47 ais523: all of it! 15:55:48 Slereah_ and the delicious cake? 15:55:56 Nah 15:56:00 ais523: mikemorg came in here asking for hackers to do 'buziness' 15:56:01 The Nigerian scammer 15:56:05 ais523: he was from nigeria, apparently 15:56:10 but yeah, he wanted me to hack a bank or something 15:56:17 oh, and he kept asking for help with 'php maila' 15:56:24 presumably an anonymous mailing script written in php. 15:56:27 I don't want to be racist, but it's hard with all those Nigerian conmen. 15:58:10 07:33:47 Hmm, it's like a five-in-a-row in infinite-dimensional space, isn't it? 15:58:11 exactly 15:58:57 Is it? 15:59:21 yes 15:59:50 Is it on the real plane and all as advertised? 16:00:23 guess so 16:01:09 How would this work? 16:02:02 Cleverly 16:02:04 @end 16:02:08 eh 16:02:10 not here 16:04:33 -!- calamari has joined. 16:05:03 hm 16:05:05 Factor is interesting 16:05:13 esp. how well it does unicode 16:32:52 ais523: #rootnomic? Can't /invite, I don't have ops. 17:04:30 TODAY, CHILDREN: How to make python code make no sense at al 17:04:33 True, False = False, True 17:04:39 Yes it works. 17:04:44 hm 17:04:57 that's some FORTRAN-quality obfuscation, right there 17:07:07 RodgerTheGreat: in smalltalk you can do: 17:07:09 true become: false 17:07:13 and *every* true value becomes false 17:07:17 the true object literally morphs into false 17:07:22 RodgerTheGreat: Then, it promptly crashes. 17:07:33 nice 17:07:35 -!- RedDak has quit ("Killed (NickServ (Comando GHOST usato da DIO))"). 17:07:58 I like Intercal's "PLEASE ABSTAIN FROM ABSTAINING", but that's kindof a different idea 17:08:07 RodgerTheGreat: and reversible, too 17:08:56 is it possible to do "(define #t #f)" in scheme? 17:08:59 gotta try it now 17:09:06 RodgerTheGreat: no 17:09:11 #t is a special reader form 17:09:16 well, in INTERCAL, it's possible to write DO #2 <- #1 17:09:16 aw, damnit 17:09:17 besides it would be set! 17:09:21 yeah, I just tried it 17:09:23 and it actually works 17:09:37 > (define #t #f) 17:09:38 stdin::0: define: bad syntax at: #t in: (define #t #f) 17:09:39 but C-INTERCAL requires a compiler switch to let you do that, it's in a sort of safe mode by default where you can't change constants 17:09:46 RodgerTheGreat: what scheme do you use? 17:09:54 mzscheme, currently 17:10:24 "Welcome to MzScheme v372 [3m], Copyright (c) 2004-2007 PLT Scheme Inc." 17:10:52 yay 17:10:57 I was thinking maybe guile or somethign else horrid 17:11:40 I like the DrScheme package- it has a great OSX version, and I have it installed on my linux machine, too 17:18:55 * SimonRC listens to ais523's radio interview 17:19:17 it wasn't all that interesting, really, but it wasn't a disaster 17:19:27 SimonRC: oooh what 17:19:29 link? 17:19:40 also, what I focused #esoteric for - anyone here like http://www.pixelcomic.net/? 17:19:48 it's very silly, it sounds like something i would write 17:19:53 wow, I didn't realise that link was still available 17:19:54 the uppercase starts to hurt your eyes after a while htough 17:19:55 *though 17:20:23 http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/check/player/nol/newsid_7170000/newsid_7179500?redirect=7179544.stm&news=1&nbram=1&bbwm=1&bbram=1&nbwm=1 17:20:28 about half-way through 17:20:36 i bet it was a gripping interview 17:20:37 like 17:20:45 'so, you found the smallest turing machine in wolframs notation!' 17:20:48 'how EXCITING' 17:20:57 'how do you think this will effect every day life?' 17:21:02 'um...er....uh...' 17:21:07 *affect 17:21:22 I recall that the proof was a bit contraversial. 17:21:46 SimonRC: it was, but, by about 3 people. 17:22:05 they didn't like the required pre-processing 17:22:26 yes. but they're silly 17:22:29 hm 17:22:35 anyway, how on earth do you make the wolfram proof a radio interview? 17:22:39 i just can't see it 17:22:41 [can't listen atm] 17:23:11 ais523: BTW, how constructive is your proof? 17:23:48 -!- ehird has changed nick to ehird`. 17:23:49 I think it's about as constructive as they get; I'm not sure. 17:23:55 -!- ehird` has changed nick to ehird. 17:24:07 SimonRC: very constructive 17:24:20 only the construction is infinitely long 17:26:37 eeeek SimonRC 17:26:41 what was that for 17:26:47 I figured out the command finally 17:26:52 oh, hah 17:26:55 remeber the hacker 17:26:55 SimonRC: you do know we have public logs 17:26:58 see topic 17:27:16 ehird: yeah, but I have logs with 1-second accuracy *and* logs of the privmsgs 17:27:26 SimonRC: :-P 17:27:43 accept or deny as you wish 17:27:59 I did 17:29:00 ok 17:31:05 wtf SimonRC 17:31:05 :( 17:31:37 oops, wrong button 17:32:26 sorry 17:32:44 -!- Judofyr has quit. 17:36:07 Fucking hell SimonRC. 17:38:22 huh? 17:38:31 oh, it seems to be auto-repeating 17:39:42 FUCK YOU WITH A RAKE SIMONRC 17:39:43 <.< 17:39:57 right, I think they should be gone now 17:40:02 this was a bad idea 17:40:48 * SimonRC guesses that dcc sends pop up a modal dialog for ehird. 17:41:20 yep, xchat 17:41:24 well not modal 17:41:25 but annoying 17:41:39 ok 17:41:53 but I can only abort one send at a time 17:42:09 and that immediately causes the following one to be started 17:44:31 so, what happened? SimonRC dcc'd a lot of information to ehird and couldn't stop it? 17:45:24 yes 17:47:58 ASJHKJDFHAJLSDFHAKSDJFASDF 17:48:02 MY MOUSE IS WORKING CRAP :\ 17:48:10 as is your caps lock, I see 17:48:12 not your keyboard 17:51:01 -!- kar8nga has joined. 17:53:16 hi, mysterious person 17:55:31 what order are the bytes of a 4-byte x86 word? 17:55:42 lsB first, I think 17:55:50 big-, little-, or middle-endian? 17:55:54 little- 17:55:55 ok, little 17:56:06 for some reason I was suspecting that they were middle- 17:56:09 I'm not completely certain, but I think that's right 17:56:24 if you look at them with a debugger, though, they often look middle-endian 17:56:24 I'm doing some low-level stuff 17:56:33 because it tries to convert little-endian to big-endian for display 17:56:33 great fun 17:56:39 but does it at the 32-bit level 17:56:45 s/32/16/ 17:56:48 yes 18:25:25 ais523: you use ubuntu, which is based on debian. so, is there an easy way to get ff3rc1? 18:25:28 just wondering if you knew 18:25:39 ehird: yes, wait for them to package it 18:25:52 ais523: um, no. i'm on debian stable. You can see the problem here. 18:26:00 ironically, at the time RC1 came out, the Ubuntu developers responsible were at a conference or something like that 18:26:13 ehird: you'd have to grab a .deb and install it manually 18:26:15 using dpkg 18:26:19 ais523: I can't find one :-P 18:26:25 either that, or recompile from source in /usr/local 18:26:43 and the reason you can't find one is because the responisble devs were at a conference 18:26:47 no doubt they'll package it soon 18:27:24 ais523: I can't use an ubuntu deb. 18:27:28 on debina 18:27:29 *debian 18:31:30 what, not even an ubuntu source package? 18:31:44 they should recompile on debian just as easily as they do on ubuntu 18:34:03 ehird: BTW, what do you think of my latest Mad Scientist proposal? 18:34:13 it looks really game-changing, but is actually a NOP 18:34:20 ais523: it shouldn't, because they have different deps. 18:34:46 ais523: and how is that a nop? 18:34:52 ais523: hm, what? 18:34:59 oh, a nomic 18:35:04 ehird: it's impossible to define a win condition unless the rule doing so has a power of at least 2 18:35:08 and I said this in the wrong channel 18:35:13 I thought I was in #ircnomic 18:35:25 ais523: oooooooooh 18:35:28 get the monster rule to power 2!!! 18:35:31 and get much winnies 18:36:16 ehird: forcible move of thread to #ircnomic 18:47:14 -!- Sgeo has joined. 18:48:02 HAHAHAHAH: 18:48:02 We asked the oracle, “What would life be like without THE MONSTER?” ...and the oracle responded: “asdf” 18:49:03 uh, what? 18:49:08 SimonRC: nothing 19:12:53 -!- jix has quit (Nick collision from services.). 19:13:03 -!- jix has joined. 19:31:04 -!- olsner has joined. 19:31:35 http://www.2meta.com/april-fools/1991/Unix-C-Hoax.html 19:32:19 that's like as old as 1991! ...wait 19:35:18 -!- timotiis has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 19:37:03 -!- timotiis has joined. 19:44:33 -!- ehird has set topic: (:NAME "#esoteric" :TYPE (INTERNATIONAL-HUB (PROGRAMMING-LANGUAGES ESOTERIC)) :LOGS "http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric"). 19:57:45 -!- Judofyr has joined. 20:14:57 -!- Corun has joined. 20:30:29 -!- ihope has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 21:07:53 -!- kar8nga has left (?). 21:07:59 -!- kar8nga has joined. 22:04:21 -!- olsner has quit ("Leaving"). 22:14:11 -!- kar8nga has left (?). 22:37:28 -!- Corun_ has joined. 22:37:36 -!- Corun has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 23:06:25 zzzzzzzzzzzz 23:06:37 hello 23:07:28 what part of "zzzzzzzzzzz" don't you understand? 23:07:39 the fifth z 23:07:44 It means I'm going to bed. 23:07:48 :-) 23:07:50 'night 23:07:51 I'm slightly dubious on the eigthth too 23:07:55 'night 23:12:45 -!- Iskr has quit ("Leaving"). 23:17:54 ais523: personally the 7th made me suspicious 23:18:26 why, is it really a different Unicode character disguised as a z? 23:22:59 :) 23:46:10 -!- jix has quit ("CommandQ"). 23:52:51 ais523: perlnomic is a turtle 23:55:41 -!- ais523 has quit ("(1) DO COME FROM ".2~.2"~#1 WHILE :1 <- "'?.1$.2'~'"':1/.1$.2'~#0"$#65535'"$"'"'&.1$.2'~'#0$#65535'"$#0'~#32767$#1"").