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00:11:40 <tusho> http://www.reddit.com/info/6q5cc/comments/c04kmyx grrr
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01:21:26 <RodgerTheGreat> 'sup, folks?
01:24:26 <tusho> RodgerTheGreat: The sky; as always
01:24:44 <RodgerTheGreat> that depends on your point of view
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03:00:28 * pikhq mutters about how Def-BF will kick ass
03:01:49 <RodgerTheGreat> hey pikhq
03:02:02 <RodgerTheGreat> and yes, as you said before, it's gonna kick ass
03:02:57 <RodgerTheGreat> nobody paid much attention when I originally created the spec, so I thought it would languish in dusty folders forever
03:04:11 <pikhq> Actually, I thought it would kick ass, but that I didn't have the knowledge to actually implement it back then. . .
03:04:18 <pikhq> Well. . . Now I do.
03:04:24 <RodgerTheGreat> woohoo
03:04:31 <pikhq> Hooray, knowledge!
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03:45:23 <ihope> Sugar Cane Nomic is invading. >:-)
03:45:29 <Dewi> yeah, I'm not Deewiant or Dewin or any of the other names that trigger my highlight all the time
03:45:32 <ihope> I propose that players be able to give points to each other.
03:46:15 <Dewi> oh, Deewiant only triggers the highlight when Deewiant is asking who I am
03:46:41 <ihope> Hi, Deformalite.
03:50:32 <Sgeo> ihope, how is sugar cane nomic invading?
03:50:37 <Sgeo> Also, ##nomic
03:50:58 <ihope> It's invading by being in this channel rather than ##nomic. :-P
03:51:14 <Sgeo> Oh
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04:50:35 <lament> how come ##nomic only has two #s?
04:51:02 <RodgerTheGreat> there's probably a rule for it...
04:51:41 <lament> rules are meant to be broken!
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05:02:37 * Sgeo files a criminal CFJ against lament for that statement.
05:03:23 <RodgerTheGreat> I know postscript. Does anyone have any interesting project ideas for me to try to tackle?
05:03:51 <RodgerTheGreat> in the past, I've made a handful of things like my self-randomizing bingo card: http://rodger.nonlogic.org/games/bingo.ps
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05:55:25 <GregorR> Tell me, is it normal for you feet to itch the first day you wear new shoes?
06:06:52 <Sgeo> GregorR, were your feet itching the last time you wore new shoes? /me thinks it's normal for feet to feel strange, but not to itch..
06:07:55 <GregorR> Sgeo: I can't give a normal experience with shoes, I have a severe allergy.
06:08:07 <Sgeo> oO
06:11:01 <GregorR> I just thought I might not be allergic to these shoes.
06:11:12 <GregorR> But I'm getting preliminary symptoms that suggest I could be.
06:12:49 <Sgeo> New shoes usually feel weird, but not itchy
06:12:57 <Sgeo> Also, why don't socks protect you?
06:13:40 <GregorR> I'm allergic to chromium, and a layer of non-chromium-tanned leather isn't sufficient to protect me, so socks are worthless.
06:14:24 <GregorR> I guess I can add microfibers to the list of materials I can't wear. So, I'm looking for those elusive non-leather, non-synthetic-leather, non-microfiber shoes. That leaves, what, moccasins and clogs.
06:15:06 <Sgeo> Can that allergy actually hurt you? Or is it merely uncomfortable?
06:15:31 <GregorR> Suffice to say that I've had to throw out a lot of socks because I couldn't clean the blood out of them.
06:15:53 <lament> well, we have a clog in the channel, but only one...
06:16:34 * Sgeo winces for GregorR 
06:17:06 <Sgeo> How many people have this allergy? Not enough for shoemakers to care?
06:20:37 <GregorR> Approximately 0% :P
06:20:58 <GregorR> I've only found statistics within certain populations that have a high exposure to chrome, and even in those fields it's less than 1%.
06:22:33 <GregorR> Ah, here we go: "he prevalence of Cr(VI) sensitivity among the general U.S. population is estimated to be 0.08%."
06:23:25 <GregorR> That's specifically hexavalent chromium (the toxic variety), and I'm allergic to all forms of chromium (including the non-toxic kind that's used for tanning)
06:23:41 <GregorR> SO, suffice to say I won the really-effing-annoying-allergy lottery.
06:38:07 <Sgeo> Better than being allergic to nothing because you have no immune system..
06:46:47 <bsmntbombdood> you're special
06:47:09 <bsmntbombdood> i'm allergic to nothing
06:47:43 <Sgeo> bsmntbombdood, have a healthy immune system?
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06:52:24 <bsmntbombdood> yes
06:52:33 <bsmntbombdood> at least afaik
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08:50:42 <oklopol> lament: i dreamt about you
08:52:04 <oklopol> 23:12… Deewiant: http://www.math.sfu.ca/~cbm/errh/101_analysis_bedtime_stories_(epsilon_red_riding_hood).pdf <<< ha! i knew someone would link this sooner or later
08:58:14 <lament> awesome, what happened?
09:01:24 <oklopol> lament: i was here, talking to you about your new conlang.
09:01:44 <oklopol> for some reason, all its ideas were from lalna, my own conlang...
09:02:08 <oklopol> 07:55… GregorR: Tell me, is it normal for you feet to itch the first day you wear new shoes? <<< no, you freak!!
09:02:52 <lament> oklopol: does that mean you identify me with that part of yourself that creates conlangs?
09:05:47 <oklopol> well there's this guy on #c++.fi that was talking about how he loves watching scat porn in another dream of mine...
09:06:23 <oklopol> perhaps i identify him with the part of me that loves watching scat porn
09:06:27 <oklopol> he wasn't too pleased
09:07:34 <oklopol> i'm having more and more irc dreams lately
09:08:12 <oklopol> the nice part is i can now say for sure it's bullshit you can't read stuff multiple times in your dreams without it changing
09:10:08 <oklopol> Deewiant: where did you see the link btw? the guy who linked to me was finnish too, and it was not that long ago, perhaps there's a simple chain
09:10:26 <oklopol> i love chains, i want to be an irc god
09:12:16 <bsmntbombdood> hawt
09:13:22 <bsmntbombdood> i never remember dreams :(
09:14:02 <oklopol> :(
09:15:29 <bsmntbombdood> i probably have hot oklopol scat sex
09:25:34 <oklopol> most likely
09:25:45 <oklopol> can't imagine why you wouldn't
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10:32:47 <AnMaster> <oklopol> i'm having more and more irc dreams lately
10:32:49 <AnMaster> weird
10:33:17 <AnMaster> <oklopol> Deewiant: where did you see the link btw? the guy who linked to me was finnish too, and it was not that long ago, perhaps there's a simple chain
10:33:23 <AnMaster> well now I linked that to a few other places
10:42:16 <Slereah_> Guy dudes.
10:42:26 <Slereah_> I think I found an error in one of G�del's paper
10:42:32 <Slereah_> Should I email him?
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12:03:40 <AnMaster> Slereah_, heh?
12:03:45 <AnMaster> you found an error?
12:03:49 <AnMaster> wtf
12:04:20 <AnMaster> Slereah_, also isn't he dead?
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12:46:50 <Slereah_> Email him, FROM BEYOND THE GRAVE
12:47:05 <Slereah_> He describes a function b
12:47:42 <Slereah_> "b(0,x)=b(x,0)=0 and b(x,y)=1 when x,y>0"
12:47:51 <Slereah_> And then goes on to say that b is the or function
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13:04:43 <AnMaster> Slereah_, sounds more like "and" to me?
13:05:02 <AnMaster> check for erratas?
13:08:20 <Deewiant> oklopol: I could answer you but you're not here, dammit!
13:09:03 <Slereah_> No erratum
13:09:11 <AnMaster> Deewiant, answer what?
13:09:21 <Slereah_> But well, it isn't very important, as one can just as easily build logical operator with not and and
13:09:31 <Deewiant> 2008-07-04 12:33:17 ( AnMaster) <oklopol> Deewiant: where did you see the link btw? the guy who linked to me was finnish too, and it was not that long ago, perhaps there's a simple chain
13:11:00 <Slereah_> It is the 4th of July.
13:11:13 <Slereah_> Have you blew up stuff, like the Founding Fathers want you to?
13:11:39 <AnMaster> Slereah_, we are not from America
13:11:48 <AnMaster> I'm from Sweden and Slereah_ is from Finland
13:11:54 <AnMaster> so stop being so US centric
13:11:57 <Slereah_> I'm no Finn :(
13:12:04 <AnMaster> err
13:12:06 <AnMaster> I meant Deewiant is
13:12:07 <Slereah_> Also, I'm no US man either
13:12:19 <Slereah_> But I am partial to blowing stuff up.
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13:48:23 <Slereah_> Wikipedia has no article with a list of people that have the nickname "Butcher".
13:48:38 <Slereah_> As in "The Butcher of [place]"
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14:34:32 <oklopol> okokokokokokokokoko
14:34:45 <oklopol> so what color am i?
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14:48:20 <Slereah_> White, you Finn.
14:50:07 <pikhq> ...
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14:53:27 <Deewiant> oklopol: ah, excellent, you're here.
14:53:41 <Deewiant> oklopol: so, in response to your question, I saw it on reddit and posted it to two IRC channels I'm on.
14:54:19 <oklopol> are these channels the two channels whois shows you're one?
14:54:31 <oklopol> *on
14:56:07 <oklopol> Slereah_: clever answer, i didn't actually remember skin color existed
14:56:23 <oklopol> thought someone might cheat by using whatever color they see my nick as
14:56:39 <oklopol> but that was even cheatier
14:59:37 <Deewiant> oklopol: on IRCnet, they are, so probably not
15:00:23 <oklopol> so esoteric wasn't one of those two?
15:01:03 <oklopol> (also you're only on one channel there, publicly)
15:01:13 <oklopol> (so # prolly was the other one)
15:01:54 <Deewiant> which channel is that
15:02:06 <Deewiant> ah, actually
15:02:10 <Deewiant> the other is on quakenet
15:02:14 <Deewiant> and the other on ircnet
15:02:16 <Deewiant> my bad
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15:07:29 <oklopol> on quakenet, you're on no public channel
15:08:20 <Deewiant> then they're private :-)
15:09:44 * oklopol takes his magnifying glass and starts snooping
15:11:03 <Deewiant> if you can tell me the nick of the guy you heard it from I can tell you whether he's in either of the channels where I announced the PDF
15:12:05 <oklopol> AKX
15:12:11 <oklopol> err
15:12:28 <oklopol> well he linked it ages before you, now i'm just being curious.
15:12:48 <Deewiant> so, probably, he saw it on reddit as well. :-)
15:13:01 <Deewiant> it was at the top of the math subreddit.
15:15:33 <oklopol> i would have preferred it with a bit more math, now it was more about just knowing what theorems have to do with what, and what names form punny funs.
15:15:40 <oklopol> s/names/terms/
15:16:13 <Deewiant> well, it's a bedtime story after all, so it can't be too complex. :-)
15:16:55 <oklopol> most of it was real!
15:18:06 <oklopol> only little imaginary stuff
15:18:20 <oklopol> i guess real stuff will always be complex stuff, tho.
15:18:38 <oklopol> i should really get to work
15:18:52 <oklopol> keep up the good work and shit ------>
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15:26:18 <tusho> hi ais523
15:26:19 <ais523> hi tusho
15:26:21 <ais523> you win
15:26:31 <ais523> only by a few fractions of a second at my end, though
15:26:33 <tusho> yes, by any count
15:26:42 <tusho> by about 20 seconds at mine
15:28:17 <Deewiant> by 2 seconds at mine
15:28:37 <Deewiant> but the message only arrived 25 seconds after you joined
15:28:44 <tusho> yes
15:28:47 <tusho> my client seems to WHO everyone
15:28:59 <tusho> still, each of our clients log to the second when we hit enter
15:29:01 <tusho> which is the measure
15:39:52 <tusho> http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/info/6pxzk/comments/c04k6o5 makes me sad
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15:50:06 <tusho> ais523: oh man
15:50:06 <tusho> {It's not available for download yet. Which makes me suspect that this year's challenge will be writing "Hello World" on a system that has been so insidiously corrupted that it would make Ken Thompson faint.}
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15:50:10 <tusho> that sounds like something you'd do
15:50:44 <ais523> tusho: where's that from?
15:50:47 <ais523> which competition?
15:50:51 <tusho> ais523: ICFP 2008
15:50:57 <ais523> when is it?
15:50:59 <tusho> reddit thread
15:51:04 <tusho> amd
15:51:06 <tusho> it was a response to:
15:51:07 <tusho> {I'm going to grab this CD just to see what a proper Linux development setup looks like! :)}
15:51:15 <tusho> the submission was
15:51:15 <tusho> http://www.icfpcontest.org/rules.html
15:51:36 <ais523> ah, next Friday
15:51:43 <ais523> I think it might be interesting to put a team together for that
15:51:48 <ais523> out of #esotericers
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15:52:03 <tusho> ais523: not really
15:52:11 <tusho> i'd be in on it so we'd spend the whole time arguing
15:52:19 <tusho> also, they have restrictions on what language you can use
15:52:27 <tusho> I guess that means you can't choose C and write an interp in it and use that?
15:52:30 <tusho> <.<
15:52:46 <ais523> yes, you can
15:52:48 <ais523> it's been done in the past
15:52:58 <ais523> although I'm going to request INTERCAL as a matter of course...
15:53:05 <ais523> actually, maybe not
15:53:32 <ais523> hey, shinh's in #icfp-contest
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15:56:40 <tusho> a better question -
15:56:42 <tusho> where ISN'T shinh?
15:57:23 <tusho> huh
15:57:27 <tusho> is anagolf down?
15:58:00 <tusho> ah no
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16:04:28 <pikhq> RodgerTheGreat: Whee.
16:04:39 <RodgerTheGreat> 'sup?
16:05:07 <pikhq> Concerning the idea of adding label:. . .
16:05:22 <pikhq> Could we say that a function may also be used as a label?
16:06:03 <pikhq> (like in assembly, how it honestly doesn't *care* whether the address being jumped to is a function or not)
16:06:35 <RodgerTheGreat> Hm. well, functions have header code related to calling the function
16:07:05 <pikhq> I never said that I'd recommend using one as the other is *sane*.
16:07:06 <RodgerTheGreat> so maybe the function should be usable as a label immediately after the header?
16:07:32 <pikhq> I'm just saying that this makes it easier, I think, to compile to assembly.
16:07:46 <RodgerTheGreat> seems like a decent idea, we just need to come up with at least one case where it would be useful, and then design around that
16:08:13 <pikhq> It's not actually useful, it's just easier to compile. Infinitely. :p
16:08:15 <RodgerTheGreat> if we can't come up with any cases where it's useful, it's added complexity that we want to avoid
16:08:19 <RodgerTheGreat> hm
16:08:22 <tusho> pikhq: Self-modifying code, dude.
16:08:23 <pikhq> Well, actually, there is one case.
16:08:25 <tusho> And code hidden in data.
16:08:27 <tusho> And vise-versa.
16:08:36 <tusho> Modifying data to modify code.
16:08:37 <tusho> Vise-versa.
16:08:38 <pikhq> Tusho got it.
16:08:42 <RodgerTheGreat> pikhq: write a little proof-of-concept or something
16:09:05 <ais523> does anyone here apart from tusho fancy entering the ICFP in a #esoteric team?
16:09:13 <tusho> i don't fancy it
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16:09:15 <tusho> i said why :p
16:09:18 <ais523> yes, I know
16:09:39 <ais523> I know how badly that would go too, so that's why I said "apart from tusho"
16:09:46 <tusho> regardless of anything, I just don't think our way of coding overlaps at all
16:09:48 <tusho> for all of #esoteric
16:10:11 <tusho> I mean, for a start, language.
16:10:21 <tusho> For every language someone uses in here, another person vehemently hates it.
16:10:26 <ais523> I think it would be great to actually win with an INTERCAL program
16:10:35 <ais523> that would never happen
16:10:39 <ais523> but just entering one would be fun
16:10:39 <tusho> Yes, but nobody here can code INTERCAL but you, ais523. :p
16:10:47 <ais523> tusho: it's not that hard to learn
16:11:53 <ais523> I'm willing to teach it over IRC to anyone who's willing to learn
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16:11:57 <pikhq> Care to link to Def-BF again?
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16:12:38 <ais523> [Fri Jul 4 2008] [16:10:47] <ais523> tusho: it's not that hard to learn
16:12:40 <ais523> [Fri Jul 4 2008] [16:11:16] <ais523> I'm willing to teach it over IRC to anyone who's willing to learn
16:12:47 <tusho> seen it.
16:12:51 <ais523> ok
16:12:51 <tusho> even so
16:12:58 <ais523> I wasn't sure, because my connection was playing up about then
16:13:04 <tusho> an irc channel by nature is almost entirely too eclectic to manage anything like this
16:13:07 <tusho> unless it's tight-knit
16:13:11 <ais523> I'm willing to teach it to anyone who's willing to learn anyway
16:13:11 <tusho> and when you consider this is #esoteric...
16:13:26 <ais523> well, it would be possible to get a 24-hour coding effort going
16:13:36 <RodgerTheGreat> pikhq: you should really save these to your computer or something: http://www.nonlogic.org/dump/text/1215028173.html
16:13:43 <RodgerTheGreat> http://www.nonlogic.org/dump/text/1215106118.html
16:14:42 <RodgerTheGreat> at this point, the fibonacci sequence generator is becoming a more accurate and complete reference to the high-level language, so I suspect I'll need to revise the spec soon
16:15:10 <oklopol> ais523: will you teach face-to-face?
16:15:33 <ais523> oklopol: only if someone happens to be in the same place in RL at the time
16:16:20 <ais523> over IRC's just as easy, though
16:16:29 <ais523> especially as it means that you don't have to crowd on computers
16:16:38 * tusho imagines #esoteric denizens meeting each other and shudders
16:16:50 <ais523> yes, that would be bad, probably
16:17:58 <oklopol> :D
16:18:02 <tusho> ais523: 'Well, I think this pizza should have X topping, because it's tastier.' / 'But Y is faster to eat!' / 'Let's roll a dice.' / 'OK, can I borrow your laptop?' *tap tap tap tap random.org*
16:18:04 <tusho> *die
16:18:23 <oklopol> i often randomize my choices
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16:18:32 <oklopol> makes life so much easier
16:18:35 <ais523> oklopol: I even have a set of polyhedral dice on me right now
16:18:43 <oklopol> heh
16:18:44 <ais523> not because I need them, but because I forgot to remove them from my laptop case
16:18:50 <tusho> er, the joke was that you would use random.org and not a real ie.
16:18:51 <tusho> *die
16:18:53 <tusho> <.<
16:19:05 <oklopol> hmph, you know your life isn't perfect when you can't just decide to go to birmingham at a whim.
16:19:21 <tusho> i could probably just go to birmingham at a whim
16:19:23 <tusho> :p
16:19:54 <oklopol> tusho: i use python for randomization
16:20:03 <oklopol> i call it a die occasionally.
16:20:05 <tusho> oklopol: that's a PSRNG
16:20:07 <tusho> er
16:20:09 <tusho> PRNG
16:20:14 <tusho> random.org is a real RNG
16:20:19 <ais523> maybe I should alter nomicdice_ to enter #esoteric, but it's a PRNG too
16:20:29 <tusho> we need botte
16:20:31 <tusho> it could use hotbits
16:20:46 <tusho> :D
16:20:51 <oklopol> tusho: there's no difference
16:20:58 <tusho> oklopol: yes there is
16:21:03 <oklopol> and what's that?
16:21:12 <tusho> hotbits' atomic decay is pretty much fundamental randomness.
16:21:19 <tusho> a computer just does some arithmetic based on the time.
16:21:27 <oklopol> all randomness is fundamental until proven otherwise
16:21:35 <ais523> one cheap way to get a true-random number is through the sound input when there's no soundcard connected
16:21:43 <ais523> you just pick up thermal drift, that way
16:21:52 <oklopol> pseudorandom works just as well
16:22:08 <tusho> i liek hotbits
16:22:12 <tusho> it's silly
16:23:23 <oklopol> sure thing
16:24:47 <AnMaster> ais523, hi!
16:24:53 <AnMaster> ais523, how goes ffungi?
16:25:03 <ais523> AnMaster: I haven't updated it recently
16:25:09 <ais523> mostly due to having nowhere to easily code
16:25:12 <ais523> I'm on a sofa at the moment
16:25:15 <ais523> which is not ideal for coding on
16:25:38 <ais523> so instead I ran through the C-INTERCAL manual and corrected lots of typos
16:25:46 <ais523> including a couple which were pretty nasty
16:25:48 <AnMaster> ais523, heh
16:25:51 <AnMaster> like what?
16:26:02 <ais523> like accidentally comparing select to OR rather than AND
16:26:08 <ais523> and saying all variables were read-only by default
16:26:08 <AnMaster> oops
16:26:22 <ais523> the second is exactly wrong, btw, all variables are read-write by default
16:26:48 <AnMaster> well TURT works apart from bg color now
16:26:55 <AnMaster> which I can't easily find how to fix
16:27:02 <tusho> ais523: not exactly wrong
16:27:07 <tusho> exactly wrong would be all variables are write-only
16:27:14 <AnMaster> hah
16:27:24 <ais523> read-only and read-write are the only possibilities in INTERCAL at the moment
16:27:45 <AnMaster> ais523, is the intercal code self modifiable?
16:27:54 <ais523> AnMaster: not exactly
16:28:00 <ais523> C-INTERCAL isn't self-modifying
16:28:15 <ais523> but you can turn bits of syntax on and off at will
16:28:35 <ais523> basically, all syntax is compiled whether it has a meaning or not
16:28:52 <ais523> it syntax-errors at runtime unless that syntax has been given a meaning (at runtime) before it's encountered
16:30:44 <Slereah_> Guys.
16:30:50 <ais523> hi Slereah_
16:30:57 <Slereah_> Should I buy a book just because it has a section "Care of Your Pet Combinator"?
16:31:08 <ais523> no, not just for that
16:31:20 <Slereah_> I mean, children are starving in Africa and everything.
16:31:21 <ais523> although if it has a section like that, it may have other things you want too
16:31:29 <pikhq> RodgerTheGreat: http://pastebin.ca/1062312
16:31:34 <oklopol> i agree with ais
16:31:42 <pikhq> Gets a function from stdin, executes it.
16:31:49 <ais523> hey, a #esoteric first, at least one person agrees with me
16:31:58 <ais523> hmm... maybe that's because I normally talk to tusho
16:32:02 <pikhq> Erm. s/variable/var/
16:32:12 <tusho> ais523: Fuck you. :P
16:32:24 <AnMaster> lol
16:32:27 <Slereah_> I think I will not buy it.
16:32:45 <Slereah_> Unless...
16:32:52 <oklopol> pikhq: can you elaborate
16:32:53 <oklopol> i don't get that
16:33:01 <Slereah_> Abebooks has it for $79, but some website for �35
16:33:12 <Slereah_> To the google converter!
16:33:28 <ais523> Slereah_: that much?
16:33:33 <ais523> definitely don't buy it, then
16:33:35 <ais523> what's it about, anyway?
16:33:38 <Slereah_> Well, it's a science book.
16:33:42 <Slereah_> No science book is cheap.
16:33:51 <Slereah_> Lambda calculus and all.
16:34:18 <Slereah_> Unlike religion, where you can find books for free, Science has value D:
16:34:33 <pikhq> Perhaps it'd be easier to make that loop just:
16:34:48 <pikhq> bar ,[>,]
16:35:16 <tusho> Slereah_: Turn into a fundie. You only need one book and it has everything!
16:35:20 <tusho> And it's cheap!
16:35:37 <Slereah_> http://macrochan.org/source/S/B/SBR5MBJZNWY4CSNASFFYCFGV4PZ4HUVX.jpeg
16:35:39 <Slereah_> SCIENCE!
16:35:49 <Slereah_> Well, I already have 30% of the bible.
16:36:05 <Slereah_> (Most free bibles peddlers only give out the new testament)
16:37:00 <Slereah_> "Carol Hindley (1986) has given some marvellous drawings of the outsides of several well known combinators in her hilarious note "Care of Your Pet Combinator". Here we find that they bear somewhat more resemblance to insects and reptiles than to conventional birds."
16:37:07 <Slereah_> How hilarious do you think this is?
16:37:16 <Slereah_> 44 euros of hilarious?
16:37:22 <ais523> Slereah_: probably not
16:37:32 <ais523> I advise you to find it in a library or bookshop instead
16:37:39 <ais523> that way you can look at it without having to pay for it
16:37:53 <Slereah_> You want me to find an English book on lambda calculus here?
16:38:07 <ais523> what is it called?
16:38:14 <Slereah_> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Lambda-Calculus-Combinators-Introduction-Roger-Hindley/dp/toc/0521898854
16:38:17 <ais523> I'm in a library, there's always a chance it's here...
16:38:22 <AnMaster> <Slereah_> http://macrochan.org/source/S/B/SBR5MBJZNWY4CSNASFFYCFGV4PZ4HUVX.jpeg <-- hilarious
16:39:12 <Slereah_> As for here, I already have a hard time finding any book at all on lambda calculus
16:39:20 <Slereah_> Much less some obscure English one.
16:40:23 <Slereah_> Also, why does that review call the author Carol?
16:40:31 <Slereah_> "by J. Roger Hindley"
16:40:38 <Slereah_> J. does not ring of Carol.
16:41:17 <ais523> beh, it doesn't have Lambda-Calculus and Combinators: An Introduction but it does have Introduction to combinators and (the lambda)-calculus by the same authors
16:41:24 <ais523> and now I'm puzzled as to whether it's the same book
16:41:33 <AnMaster> ais523, check ISBN?
16:41:49 <ais523> I'm not sure how to find it at the Amazon end
16:41:58 <AnMaster> hm ok
16:42:04 <Slereah_> ISBN-13: 9780521898850
16:42:24 <ais523> ah, got it
16:42:26 <ais523> it's a different ISBN
16:42:32 <ais523> but it starts with the same few digits
16:42:37 <ais523> at least, the library gives two different ISBNs
16:42:41 <ais523> but it doesn't match either
16:42:48 <ais523> maybe it's a different edition of the same book?
16:42:55 <tusho> ais523: likely
16:42:57 <tusho> or an american version
16:43:01 <Slereah_> Do ISBN change with versions?
16:43:04 <tusho> vs some other country
16:43:08 <Slereah_> It's the ISBN of the same version
16:43:12 <Slereah_> *second
16:43:12 <ais523> Slereah_: not sure, probably yes if the contents change
16:43:23 <ais523> anyway, the easy way for me to settle this is to log out and then go hunting around the shelves
16:43:30 <ais523> bye for a while
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16:43:35 <AnMaster> ais523, oh?
16:43:38 <AnMaster> ah
16:43:38 <Slereah_> kthxbai
16:45:27 <Slereah_> Also, is it dangerous to use both bird combinators and insect combinators?
16:45:40 <Slereah_> I fear they might try to consume them.
16:50:42 <tusho> heh
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16:51:31 <Slereah_> Hulo ais523
16:51:37 <ais523> Slereah_: I found the book
16:51:38 <ais523> don't buy it
16:51:47 <tusho> ais523: why not
16:51:52 <ais523> the pet combinator stuff is just one page, not particularly interesting, and out of character with the rest of the book
16:51:58 <ais523> which is just full of dry mathematical stuff
16:52:21 <tusho> ais523: you just, because of someone on irc, went and found a book and made a micro-review which you carried in your head back to irc
16:52:27 <tusho> you are a hero among us all
16:52:44 <ais523> well, I checked the Internet catalogue first to see if it was here
16:52:47 <ais523> and it was
16:52:54 <ais523> and it was about 20m away from where I was sitting
16:52:59 <ais523> so I thought it was worth having a look
16:53:00 <Slereah_> 'kay
16:54:01 <Slereah_> Were there pix? :o
16:54:10 <ais523> Slereah_: line drawings
16:54:15 <ais523> which were basically just letters
16:54:28 <ais523> with teeth
16:54:34 <tusho> LETTERS
16:54:36 <tusho> WITH TEETH
16:54:36 <tusho> awesome
16:54:38 <Slereah_> Like a S with giant teeth?
16:54:44 <ais523> no, the S was drawn as a snake
16:54:50 <ais523> but it was only one page of pics, in an appendix
16:54:59 <ais523> and the pics weren't as good as it sounds over IRC
16:55:07 <Slereah_> Hm.
16:55:14 <Slereah_> Too bad I can't find it online
16:55:17 <ais523> and it isn't really worth the 300+ pages of typewritten text with no illustrations that come with it
16:55:27 <tusho> ais523: you could have stolen it and uploaded it then put it back
16:55:29 <tusho> :D
16:55:35 <Slereah_> Well, lambda calculus is always interesting
16:55:38 <ais523> tusho: no, where would I find a scanner?
16:55:45 <Slereah_> But there's free ressources for that
16:55:55 <ais523> besides, I didn't need to steal it
16:56:00 <RodgerTheGreat> pikhq: pastebin.ca is mind-bendingly slow for me
16:56:01 <ais523> it is, as I said, in a library
16:56:04 <tusho> ais523: oh
16:56:06 <tusho> that's a good point
16:56:09 <ais523> and therefore I could take it out legally
16:56:11 <tusho> and, um, you could mail it to me
16:56:16 <Slereah_> But scanning it would be STEALING ITS COPYRIGHT D:
16:56:19 <tusho> take it out -> mail to me -> I scan -> mail it back -> back in library
16:56:20 <tusho> AWESOME
16:56:53 <Slereah_> Or you could reproduce the entire page using MS Paint
16:57:01 <Slereah_> Pixel by pixel
16:57:11 <tusho> Yes
16:57:12 <ais523> Slereah_: I don't even have that here without changing computer, I'd have to try to do it in the GIMP
16:57:21 <Slereah_> Heh.
16:57:30 <ais523> or in KolourPaint, I suppose, which I downloaded specifically for doing the sort of thing that Paint is actually useful for
16:57:32 <Slereah_> You Linux people.
16:57:45 <AnMaster> ais523, kthat ksounds knice!
16:57:55 <ais523> AnMaster: KDE naming, you have to love it
16:58:03 <tusho> AnMaster: lol, kde starts every name with a k
16:58:06 <tusho> it's funny because it is
16:58:17 <AnMaster> ais523, kyes kI kdo kas kI'm ka KKDE kuser
16:58:18 <AnMaster> XD
16:58:20 <ais523> not quite, the RSS reader is kalled Akregator
16:58:25 <tusho> gnome names an awful lot of things starting with 'G'
16:58:27 <Slereah_> KKKDE D:
16:58:28 <ais523> oh, that kalled was a typo but I decided to leave it like that
16:58:29 <tusho> though they're actually removing that
16:58:40 <AnMaster> ais523, hah
16:58:51 <ais523> it's easy to thinko like that when thinking about KDE
16:59:05 <AnMaster> kit kis?
16:59:22 <Slereah_> Kit? The Knight Rider car?
16:59:32 <AnMaster> Slereah_, the what?
16:59:36 <RodgerTheGreat> pikhq: alright, finally loaded
16:59:44 <RodgerTheGreat> and that looks quite interesting
17:00:00 <RodgerTheGreat> I can definitely see how that would be useful- loading kernel modules, for example?
17:00:11 <AnMaster> RodgerTheGreat, link?
17:00:26 <Slereah_> ...Knight Rider?
17:00:32 <Slereah_> You know, with David Hasslehoff?
17:00:32 <AnMaster> Slereah_, yes what is that?
17:00:37 <AnMaster> Slereah_, who is that?
17:00:41 <Slereah_> ...
17:00:42 <RodgerTheGreat> http://www.nonlogic.org/dump/text/1215187150.html
17:00:56 <tusho> Slereah_: he's a filthy swede
17:00:57 <Slereah_> In what hut do you live? D:
17:00:58 <RodgerTheGreat> ^ I re-pastebinned it because the original is slow as fuck
17:00:58 <tusho> and therefore knows nothing
17:01:03 <tusho> (My logic is impeccable, shut up)
17:01:05 <AnMaster> Slereah_, I haven't watched TV except for news for the past 2 years
17:01:13 <tusho> two years?
17:01:14 <tusho> lmao
17:01:17 <Slereah_> Knight Rider isn't recent at all, AnMaster
17:01:22 <Slereah_> Come on, even in France it aired!
17:01:23 <AnMaster> Slereah_, and I haven't been at a cinema for several years
17:01:39 <Slereah_> "Knight Rider is an American television series that ran from September 26, 1982, to August 8, 1986."
17:01:39 <RodgerTheGreat> he doesn't close the scope for foo, though
17:01:42 <AnMaster> Slereah_, I got no clue, anyway remember that I'm 18, so it may be too old
17:01:58 <RodgerTheGreat> probably want a ; in there somewhere for good coding practice
17:02:02 <AnMaster> RodgerTheGreat, oh that, saw it before, loaded very quickly
17:02:10 <RodgerTheGreat> odd
17:02:10 <Slereah_> Well, it was about a talking car, and a special agent, solving crimes.
17:02:11 <AnMaster> RodgerTheGreat, don't get it
17:02:15 <Slereah_> From what I can remember.
17:02:24 <AnMaster> Slereah_, odd
17:02:28 <tusho> <AnMaster> Slereah_, I got no clue, anyway remember that I'm 18, so it may be too old
17:02:35 <tusho> i'm 12 and I know about knight rider
17:02:36 <AnMaster> tusho, ?
17:02:36 <tusho> jeez
17:02:41 <AnMaster> tusho, you aren't 12
17:02:42 <tusho> terrible excuse
17:02:42 <tusho> :P
17:02:44 <AnMaster> I don't believe that
17:02:51 <tusho> AnMaster: oh, did you miss that?
17:02:52 <tusho> hah
17:03:03 <Slereah_> Send nude pictures of yourself to prove it.
17:03:12 <Slereah_> While wearing a cockring, if available.
17:03:18 <tusho> Slereah_: A++ AWESOME IDEA
17:03:20 <AnMaster> tusho, guess: 20-30 years old
17:03:25 <AnMaster> you that is
17:03:27 <RodgerTheGreat> looks like he uses foo as a temporary variable, and as long as he's reading things into input he copies foo into bar...
17:03:33 <tusho> AnMaster: thanks I guess
17:03:35 <RodgerTheGreat> hm. I'm not entirely sure this will work as given
17:03:42 <AnMaster> tusho, you are older?
17:03:45 <AnMaster> 40 is upper limit
17:04:02 <tusho> AnMaster: 12
17:04:09 <AnMaster> tusho, I don't believe that I said
17:04:18 <AnMaster> ehird is older than 12
17:04:27 <tusho> i know, everyone here totally says they're like 10 years younger than they really are right
17:04:36 <tusho> well, apart from Slereah_ and oklopol
17:04:41 <tusho> because they'd probably do that
17:04:46 <Slereah_> I'm the reverse of 12.
17:04:52 <AnMaster> tusho, well I wasn't lying about being 18...
17:05:01 <AnMaster> but 21 I guess is reasonable
17:05:05 <AnMaster> or 22
17:05:10 <ais523> well, WIkipedia says I'm 21
17:05:17 <ais523> and everyone knows it's right, right?
17:05:33 <Slereah_> Is it?
17:05:43 <ais523> on my age, yes
17:05:48 <ais523> as it is with a lot of other things
17:05:50 <Slereah_> What of the rest?
17:05:51 <ais523> however it does make mistakes occasionally
17:06:00 <ais523> Slereah_: I don't know, I haven't read that article recently
17:06:05 <Slereah_> Is it true that you molested six children in the early 90's?
17:06:09 <ais523> I looked at the age, and then closed it without reading the rest
17:06:16 <ais523> but I know it hasn't been edited recently
17:06:18 <ais523> and so it doesn't say that
17:06:28 * tusho adds that
17:06:32 <tusho> joking, before ais523 says anything
17:06:45 <tusho> no, what I'm REALLY adding is a link to your wikipedia user page
17:06:48 <tusho> :-P
17:06:51 <ais523> tusho: no, that could get you banned
17:06:57 <Slereah_> "Alex Smith grew up in Birmingham, attending King Edward VI Five Ways, and was an alternate for the UK International Mathematical Olympiad team. His parents are both teachers at University of Birmingham."
17:07:00 <ais523> whereas the first will merely get you blocked
17:07:02 <tusho> ais523: i could like slap a joke in your face until you died
17:07:07 <tusho> and you wouldn't notice
17:07:17 <ais523> tusho: and I could deliberately miss the joke because i think it's funnier that way
17:07:20 <ais523> and you still wouldn't notice
17:07:27 <tusho> ais523: and I could deliberately respond to that seriously
17:07:31 <tusho> because it's funnier that way
17:07:34 <ais523> yes
17:07:35 <tusho> and you'd respond probably joking again
17:07:38 <tusho> and I would do the same
17:07:43 <tusho> and I have finally closed off the loop
17:07:59 <ais523> tusho: now make it into an esolang!
17:08:17 <Slereah_> Hm.
17:08:23 <tusho> ais523: LOS
17:08:26 <tusho> Levels of Sarcasm/Jokes
17:08:35 <Slereah_> I remember a page where the theme song of Knight Rider was beat boxed
17:08:39 <tusho> you write a program by building up levels of sarcasm or jokes in intricite layers
17:08:43 <tusho> the program terminates when it goes back to 0
17:08:44 <Slereah_> Does anyone know the link?
17:09:15 <Slereah_> Also, what level of irony would be Knight Rider in that language?
17:09:29 <tusho> Slereah_: 7.3/x^(y/pi+e)
17:10:00 <Slereah_> Knight Rider aired in Sweden, sez Wikpedia
17:10:01 <Slereah_> Sweden Nattens riddare
17:10:01 <Slereah_> (Knight of the Night) Subtitled The show has three names, "Nattens riddare", "Riddaren i natten" and "Knightrider".
17:10:23 <tusho> swedish is such a silly language
17:10:26 <tusho> it makes everything sound ridiculous
17:11:38 <AnMaster> tusho, why do you think so?
17:11:38 <RodgerTheGreat> pikhq: http://www.nonlogic.org/dump/text/1215187799.html
17:11:48 <tusho> AnMaster: RIDDAREN I NATTEN
17:11:53 <AnMaster> tusho, yes and?
17:12:15 <AnMaster> tusho, try to pronouce it in Swedish for gods sake
17:12:41 <Slereah_> Swedish doesn't exist.
17:12:49 <Slereah_> The Swedes are just making stuff up.
17:13:05 <Slereah_> they actually use their skin patterns to communicate.
17:13:25 <Slereah_> Yes, Swedes have a bright skin pattern that can be consciously modified3
17:13:35 <Slereah_> Quite beautiful, really.
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17:22:06 <pikhq> RodgerTheGreat: Thanks for the commenting.
17:22:14 <pikhq> I wasn't exactly thinking it through all that well. . .
17:22:18 <pikhq> Hmm.
17:22:43 <RodgerTheGreat> it helps me figure out other people's code
17:23:04 <RodgerTheGreat> IDEA!
17:23:22 <RodgerTheGreat> I have a way to allow pointer manipulation to a fair degree without making the language more complicated!
17:23:36 <pikhq> Yes?
17:24:03 <RodgerTheGreat> make it so you can do something like "varname?" to store the address representing the pointer to a cell, rather than it's dereferenced value
17:24:25 <RodgerTheGreat> thus creating a third "literal type" accepted by ?
17:24:35 <RodgerTheGreat> the problem is it's ambiguous syntactically
17:25:00 <RodgerTheGreat> but with this facility, it'd be pretty trivial to create a function called "dereference"... gimme a sec
17:25:52 <pikhq> And thereby get the 'pass by value' feature that I proposed. . .
17:25:54 <tusho> RodgerTheGreat: why not provide a function called dereference[]
17:25:58 <tusho> and just have it primitive :P
17:26:09 <pikhq> :p
17:26:14 <RodgerTheGreat> tusho: you are completely missing the point, congrats
17:26:30 <tusho> RodgerTheGreat: that's nice of you
17:26:31 <tusho> mind explaining?
17:26:39 <tusho> instead of, you know, just blankly asserting that
17:26:40 <pikhq> tusho: We have no primitive functions.
17:26:49 <tusho> pikhq: why not? It'd make a lot of things simpler.
17:26:50 <pikhq> Like C. ;)
17:26:53 <tusho> Than just piling on syntax...
17:27:02 <RodgerTheGreat> pikhq: I didn't say it wouldn't be useful, I just said we needed a way of doing it that didn't make the language nasty
17:27:02 <pikhq> It's meant as a systems programming language.
17:27:30 <pikhq> We can't assume that there is *anything* supporting the code at all.
17:27:36 <tusho> pikhq: Doesn't have to be.
17:27:40 <tusho> Just make dereference[x] compile specially.
17:28:27 <pikhq> The road to hell is paved with special cases.
17:28:40 <tusho> pikhq: Yes, like extra syntax
17:28:41 <pikhq> ;)
17:29:37 <pikhq> "Let's make the semantics funkier so the syntax is more sparse!"
17:29:45 <RodgerTheGreat> http://www.nonlogic.org/dump/text/1215188885.html <- how about this?
17:30:20 <RodgerTheGreat> doesn't actually need ? and is unambiguous
17:30:46 <RodgerTheGreat> the limitation is that you can only get a pointer's address when you create a new variable, but this doesn't actually restrict what you can do
17:31:39 <RodgerTheGreat> mm
17:31:45 <RodgerTheGreat> I'm still thinking here...
17:37:46 <RodgerTheGreat> jesus christ I'm an idiot
17:37:54 <RodgerTheGreat> there are already indirection capabilities
17:39:03 <oklopol> it's always fun to realize your language is cleverer than you
17:39:11 <RodgerTheGreat> yeah, give me a moment
17:41:11 <RodgerTheGreat> what do you say to this? http://www.nonlogic.org/dump/text/1215189574.html
17:42:13 <RodgerTheGreat> a little nastier than some of the previous code examples, visually, but you can completely hide this shit in functions like I just did
17:49:00 <Slereah_> Is there a unicode char for - with a dot over it I wonder?
17:49:17 <ais523> Slereah_: you could do it with combining chars
17:49:20 <ais523> why do you want one, though
17:49:21 <Slereah_> It's the symbol used for positive integer substraction apparently
17:49:40 <ais523> positive integer subtraction?
17:50:05 <Slereah_> You know, x-.y = x-y if x>y, and x-.y = 0 else
17:50:20 <RodgerTheGreat> the only trick with the current schema is that everything is effectively already a pointer. By allowing variable initialization as a pointer's address, you can "back off" a step and gain access to the address, to manipulate. Then, naturally, you have to doubly dereference to get the final pointed value, so an extra #/; does the trick
17:50:35 <RodgerTheGreat> I hope I'm not just incoherently babbling
17:50:52 <Slereah_> Since recursive functions only use positive integer, it's used in many proofs.
17:51:06 <Slereah_> Plus you need it to define equality recursively
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17:58:46 <AnMaster> RodgerTheGreat, where can I get the implementation for your language?
17:59:02 <RodgerTheGreat> AnMaster: pikhq is working on the first implementation
17:59:13 <AnMaster> RodgerTheGreat, open development I assume
17:59:16 <AnMaster> so path to repo?
17:59:27 <RodgerTheGreat> I'm not aware of one yet
17:59:32 <tusho> AnMaster: RodgerTheGreat doesn't believe in version control systems, dunno about pikhq
17:59:40 <RodgerTheGreat> but you ought to be able to get one in a few days
17:59:45 <AnMaster> cvs, svn, bzr, mercurial, darcs (and even git if I have to)
18:00:04 <AnMaster> RodgerTheGreat, what will it compile to?
18:00:07 <AnMaster> C or asm?
18:00:17 <RodgerTheGreat> our main target is x86 asm
18:00:33 <AnMaster> RodgerTheGreat, llvm would be nice
18:01:00 <RodgerTheGreat> if the project becomes popular, I'm sure we'll support more architectures/intermediary forms
18:01:40 <AnMaster> RodgerTheGreat, do you support custom calling conventions?
18:01:50 <ais523> hmm... I knew for a while that one of the cocreators of INTERCAL now works for Microsoft, but I just found out that the other now works for Google
18:01:54 <ais523> this puts a whole new spin on things
18:02:05 <AnMaster> ais523, hahah
18:02:07 <RodgerTheGreat> AnMaster: the main goal for now is to support C calling conventions
18:02:19 <AnMaster> RodgerTheGreat, there are several
18:02:31 <AnMaster> RodgerTheGreat, on x86 that is
18:02:39 <RodgerTheGreat> hm
18:02:55 <AnMaster> on x86_64 there is one basically
18:03:20 <AnMaster> RodgerTheGreat, anyway win32 api make the callee clean up the stack in non-varargs function
18:03:31 <AnMaster> while on *nix it is always the caller that does it
18:03:39 <AnMaster> iirc
18:04:12 <AnMaster> RodgerTheGreat, cdecl vs. stdcall
18:04:20 <AnMaster> stdcall is the one windows use
18:04:28 <RodgerTheGreat> well, you'd have to ask pikhq about that
18:04:41 <AnMaster> he isn't here
18:04:47 <AnMaster> so relay it to him
18:04:49 <AnMaster> afk
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18:05:53 <ais523> incidentally, source: http://www.techworld.com.au/article/251892/-z_programming_languages_intercal?pp=1&fp=2&fpid=-1
18:06:01 <ais523> which is dated today
18:07:11 <tusho> ais523: ”the most widely-used programming languages"
18:07:13 <tusho> someone's on drugs
18:07:16 <ais523> tusho: no
18:07:18 <ais523> read more carefully
18:07:26 <ais523> they did a lot of widely-used languages
18:07:33 <ais523> and then decided it would be fun to do INTERCAL too
18:08:18 <tusho> Our compiler converted the INTERCAL program to SNOBOL (actually SPITBOL, which is a compilable version of SNOBOL) and represented INTERCAL datatypes using character strings in which all the characters were "0"s and "1"s.
18:08:22 <tusho> a true hero among men
18:08:32 <ais523> tusho: that's actually a sane representation of data in INTERCAL
18:08:36 <ais523> although not the one that C-INTERCAL uses
18:08:41 <tusho> {Do you use either C-INTERCAL or CLC-INTERCAL currently? }
18:08:47 <ais523> because there are so many bit-wise operations
18:08:57 <tusho> ais523: i think that's the fanciest-deisgned page that mentions C-INTERCAL
18:08:58 <tusho> :p
18:09:07 <ais523> I'm glad they noticed CLC-INTERCAL too
18:09:13 <ais523> someone's keeping up with the world of INTERCAL
18:09:20 <ais523> most INTERCAL websites are stuck in the past
18:10:07 <tusho> ais523: c-intercal.eso-std.org, if it ever comes to pass, should utilize ajax and have web 2.0 stylings
18:10:11 <tusho> just for the sheer cognitive dissonance
18:10:18 <ais523> it should also be itself written in INTERCAL
18:10:28 <tusho> ais523: that's a bit harder.
18:10:35 <tusho> i'll write it in something, you translate it. :P
18:10:40 <ais523> yes, OK
18:10:43 <ais523> probably in CLC-INTERCAL
18:10:53 <ais523> partly because it's the wrong one
18:11:02 <ais523> and partly because it's slightly better at outputting constant strings
18:11:20 <tusho> ais523: and to run it, i'll translate clc-intercal to ruby
18:11:26 <tusho> so that it can run on Passenger
18:11:34 <tusho> (I may just make it shell out to perl; dunno)
18:11:35 <ais523> tusho: it compiles into Perl, so you may have problems doing that
18:11:39 <AnMaster> ais523, I'm reading that link now
18:11:40 <AnMaster> fun
18:11:41 <tusho> ais523: then I'll just interface with perl
18:11:47 <AnMaster> "adding a style guide for INTERCAL to go alongside Google's guides for C++, Java and other languages" XD
18:11:49 <tusho> wrap it in a Rack interface
18:11:53 <tusho> and voila
18:12:01 <tusho> a Ruby app running CLC-INTERCAL running the C-INTERCAL site
18:13:45 <tusho> :D
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18:14:21 <ais523> tusho: it's probably a bad thing that I have a shell-script which reads strings from a file, each of which has ID numbers, and outputs CLC-INTERCAL code designed to output each of those strings
18:14:44 <tusho> ais523: yes
18:14:56 <ais523> actually, not a shell-script
18:14:58 <ais523> I wrote it in sed
18:15:08 <ais523> but convickt does most of the work
18:15:28 <AnMaster> ais523, ""the division routine of the standard INTERCAL library has a really cool hack that I hadn't seen before"" <-- what is that hack I wonder?
18:15:32 <AnMaster> from the link you pasted
18:15:45 <ais523> AnMaster: it's how to do a greater-than in INTERCAL
18:15:58 <AnMaster> ais523, describe it?
18:16:03 <ais523> basically, you look for the most significant bit that differs between the two numbers
18:16:09 <ais523> the greater number will have a 1 in that bit
18:16:20 <AnMaster> yes sounds sane, and?
18:16:28 <ais523> well, it isn't really sane
18:16:34 <AnMaster> I assume that is what a computer does internally?
18:16:35 <ais523> that's the easiest way to do greater-than in INTERCAL
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18:16:47 <ais523> AnMaster: no, computers subtract and see if the answer is negative
18:16:54 <ais523> that doesn't require doing bit-searches
18:16:58 <AnMaster> ah
18:17:25 <ais523> s/negative/overflows/ if you're using unsigned numbers
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18:33:49 <RodgerTheGreat> wb, pikhq
18:34:10 <ais523> back
18:34:28 <RodgerTheGreat> http://www.nonlogic.org/dump/text/1215189574.html <- have a look at this and read the logs- I think I have a solution to the pointer issue
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18:52:17 <Slereah_> Man.
18:52:27 <Slereah_> The Inspector Gadget theme is way better in French
18:52:37 <Slereah_> It actually has lyrics.
18:54:04 <tusho> Slereah_: dunanunanun INSPECTOR GADGET
19:01:58 <AnMaster> Slereah_, what is that?
19:02:04 <AnMaster> or rather
19:02:05 <AnMaster> who is that
19:03:55 <Slereah_> ...
19:04:02 <Slereah_> You don't know Inspector Gadget either?
19:04:17 <Slereah_> What did you do with your childhood, being a productive member of society?
19:04:19 <GregorR> GO GO GADGET SURPRISE
19:04:36 <Slereah_> What do they show you for cartoons in Sweden?
19:04:53 <GregorR> Little blue communists!
19:05:07 <Slereah_> http://youtube.com/watch?v=IOOPsMNiiIM
19:05:13 <Slereah_> Come on, there even was a movie of it!
19:05:33 <Slereah_> The plot is that it's a dude with a robotic body fighting crime.
19:05:43 <GregorR> Even given the subject that movie was pretty terrible :P
19:05:51 <Slereah_> But he's retarded, so it's actually his niece and the dog of the niece doing the actual crime fighting.
19:06:29 <tusho> i loved inspector gadget so much
19:06:48 <tusho> that intro is crazy though
19:06:50 <tusho> the guy sounds mentally ill
19:07:07 <Slereah_> Well, at least there's lyrics :o
19:07:14 <tusho> who needs lyrics
19:07:21 <Slereah_> Me.
19:07:38 <Slereah_> I want to sing it without looking too retarded.
19:07:43 <tusho> it totally blew my mind at the edit of the credits sequence when it said '1984'
19:07:44 <tusho> i was like
19:07:49 <Slereah_> I can't just sing "INSPECTOR GADGET WOO HOO3
19:07:50 <tusho> HOLY SHIT THERE WERE PEOPLE IN 1984??????????????
19:08:01 <tusho> TELEVISIONS???????
19:08:07 <tusho> THE WORLD WAS IN _COLOUR_?????????
19:08:10 <tusho> i almost died
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19:09:31 <Slereah_> AnMaster.
19:09:34 <Slereah_> Answer us.
19:09:44 <Slereah_> What the hell did you watch during your childhood.
19:09:46 <tusho> yeah, what did you do
19:09:52 <tusho> maybe he is like actually 3
19:09:55 <tusho> and he's some kind of supercoder
19:09:56 <AnMaster> Slereah_, watch? I didn't have TV
19:10:10 <tusho> ok
19:10:12 <tusho> maybe he's like 104
19:10:17 <Slereah_> Well that would explain it.
19:10:17 <tusho> that would work too
19:10:33 <Slereah_> I mean, not knowing Inspector Gadget or Knight Rider?
19:10:43 <AnMaster> tusho, nah just high hills and around where I lived so no TV was possible
19:10:44 <Slereah_> That takes some hermit powers.
19:10:55 <tusho> Slereah_: i'm a hermit and I know about them
19:11:00 <AnMaster> tusho, nor mobile phone
19:11:16 <AnMaster> I live in a town these days though
19:11:33 <Slereah_> AnMaster : Go on the pirate bay
19:11:42 <Slereah_> And download every Inspector Gadget cartoons.
19:11:46 <AnMaster> Slereah_, no time, reading some interesting coding standard documents atm
19:11:47 <tusho> Slereah_: SOUND ADVICE.
19:11:48 <Slereah_> Also Knight Rider.
19:11:50 <AnMaster> busy
19:12:03 <tusho> AnMaster: I'm sure they're like 100x more fun than inspector gadget
19:12:06 <AnMaster> Slereah_, also that would be illegal
19:12:11 <tusho> They're thrilling and exciting!
19:12:14 <AnMaster> tusho, what? US military C++ specs
19:12:18 <AnMaster> quite interesting to read
19:12:20 <AnMaster> public ons
19:12:22 <AnMaster> ones*
19:12:24 <Slereah_> What will you do if a guy asks you about Inspector Gadget at gunpoint, AnMaster?
19:12:32 <Slereah_> A guy LIKE ME
19:12:39 <tusho> Yeah anyone got a gun to lend me?
19:12:41 <AnMaster> Slereah_, Use material arts
19:12:47 * AnMaster knows Aikido
19:12:48 <tusho> MATERIAL ARTS
19:12:51 <tusho> material arts
19:12:52 <tusho> ahahahaha
19:13:00 <Slereah_> AnMaster is a materialist
19:13:03 <tusho> AnMaster: FYI, martial arts aren't very useful when you've just been shot
19:13:09 <Slereah_> He uses some form of Marxist martial art.
19:13:11 <tusho> Unless you're in a kung-fu movie.
19:13:12 <AnMaster> tusho, agree
19:13:13 <Slereah_> Marxial art.
19:13:15 <AnMaster> haha
19:13:17 <tusho> THE MORE YOU KNOW!
19:14:02 <Slereah_> Fun fact : One of the top dude for "Hand to hand combat killing in a situation of actual war" didn't use martial arts at all.
19:14:09 <Slereah_> He just strangled the dudes.
19:14:52 <tusho> Slereah_: I should try that with ais523
19:15:09 <Slereah_> Well, you could also use a gun
19:15:13 <Slereah_> It's even better
19:15:22 <tusho> Yeah more effective I guess
19:15:33 <tusho> do you think he knows intricate details of each episode of inspector gadget?
19:15:46 <tusho> he'd better unless he's like some kind of extreme masochist who loves being shot
19:16:22 <Slereah_> Well, he seems like a smart lad, solving incredible problems of the 2,3 machine and all
19:16:32 <Slereah_> He's probably wise on the whole Inspector Gadget thing.
19:16:36 <tusho> Yes true
19:21:26 <cctoide> hey it's #friendsofcctoide
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19:24:27 <tusho> cctoide: what
19:35:01 <tusho> cctoide: what
19:36:59 <AnMaster> i = v[i++];
19:37:00 <AnMaster> i = ++i + 1;
19:37:00 <AnMaster> p->mem_func(*p++);
19:37:01 <AnMaster> hahah
19:37:18 <AnMaster> 3 undefined
19:37:34 <tusho> p->mem_func(*p++, i = v[++i] + 1)
19:37:44 <AnMaster> tusho, evil!
19:37:44 <tusho> I HAVE CREATED A MONSTER
19:37:54 <tusho> AnMaster: it is coming to defeat us all
19:37:56 <tusho> ..p->mem_func(*p++, i = v[++i] + 1)
19:37:57 <tusho> ....p->mem_func(*p++, i = v[++i] + 1)
19:37:59 <tusho> ......p->mem_func(*p++, i = v[++i] + 1)
19:38:03 <tusho> (it's walking oh god)
19:38:04 <tusho> ........p->mem_func(*p++, i = v[++i] + 1)
19:38:05 <tusho> ..........p->mem_func(*p++, i = v[++i] + 1)
19:38:06 <tusho> ............p->mem_func(*p++, i = v[++i] + 1)
19:38:06 <AnMaster> hah
19:38:13 * AnMaster slays it
19:38:13 <tusho> ............p->mem_func(*p++, i = v[++i] + 1) <( ROAR )
19:38:18 <tusho> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH IT'S ROARING
19:38:24 <tusho> ............p->mem_func(*p++, i = v[++i] + 1) <( ROAR )|X
19:38:29 <tusho> (that's your slaying being deflected)
19:38:32 <tusho> ............p->mem_func(*p++, i = v[++i] + 1) <( ROAR ).............|X
19:38:33 <tusho> ............p->mem_func(*p++, i = v[++i] + 1) <( ROAR )......................|X
19:38:36 <tusho> ............p->mem_func(*p++, i = v[++i] + 1) <( ROAR )
19:38:40 <tusho> ..............p->mem_func(*p++, i = v[++i] + 1)
19:38:41 <tusho> ................p->mem_func(*p++, i = v[++i] + 1)
19:38:42 * AnMaster gets out his trusty Snickersnee 
19:38:42 <tusho> ..................p->mem_func(*p++, i = v[++i] + 1)
19:38:44 <tusho> ....................p->mem_func(*p++, i = v[++i] + 1)
19:38:45 <tusho> ......................p->mem_func(*p++, i = v[++i] + 1)
19:38:46 <tusho> ........................p->mem_func(*p++, i = v[++i] + 1)
19:38:48 <tusho> ..........................p->mem_func(*p++, i = v[++i] + 1)
19:38:49 <tusho> ............................p->mem_func(*p++, i = v[++i] + 1)
19:38:55 <tusho> ............................p->mem_func(*p++, i = v[++i] + 1) <( ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAR MOTHERFUCKER)
19:39:41 <AnMaster> actually I meant vorpal blade
19:39:45 * AnMaster confused poems
19:39:51 <AnMaster> "The vorpal blade went snicker-snack!"
19:39:54 <AnMaster> is the correct quote
19:39:56 * tusho eats AnMaster 
19:39:59 <AnMaster> somehow I messed that up
19:40:00 <tusho> OM NOM NOM NOM NOOM
19:40:06 * AnMaster cause indigestion
19:40:30 * tusho EATS INDIGESTION FOR BREAKFAST
19:40:35 <Slereah_> tusho : WTF ARE YOU DOING
19:40:43 <tusho> Slereah_: WTF ARE  YOU DOING MAN
19:40:48 <Slereah_> Noooo
19:40:54 <Slereah_> You don't know the thing!
19:40:59 <Slereah_> It goes like this :
19:41:05 <Slereah_> 1 : OM NOM NOM
19:41:12 <Slereah_> 2 : WTF R U DOING
19:41:25 <Slereah_> 3 : EATIN SUM [item being eaten]
19:41:33 <tusho> Slereah_: i liek kittens
19:41:48 <Slereah_> *turtles
19:41:57 <tusho> no
19:41:58 <tusho> kittens
19:41:59 <tusho> fuck you
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19:42:47 * Slereah_ fucks self
19:44:02 <AnMaster> tusho, what?! I didn't know that
19:44:12 <AnMaster> <tusho> kittens <tusho> fuck you <-- they do?
19:44:19 <AnMaster> well I'm glad I don't have a cat
19:44:27 <tusho> AnMaster: oh yes, yes they do
19:44:29 <tusho> all the time
19:48:43 <Slereah_> AnMaster : Man, in what kind of hut do you live in Sweden?
19:48:57 <Slereah_> Have you never seen the rampant cat raping problem?
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19:53:25 <AnMaster> Slereah_, hah
19:54:23 <Slereah_> You would know if you watched Inspector Gadgety
19:54:34 <AnMaster> Slereah_, what about turtles then?
19:54:36 <AnMaster> do they too?
19:55:27 <AnMaster> hm I just got an idea: C with Objects
19:55:31 <AnMaster> it would be less messy than C++
19:55:39 <AnMaster> and easier to set up than D
19:55:41 <AnMaster> :D
19:55:51 <AnMaster> (yes I know C++ was called C with objects once)
19:59:09 <Deewiant> much smarter idea: help people make Tango work on x86-64
19:59:20 <tusho> Deewiant: no, that'd involve TOUCHING D
19:59:26 <tusho> how can AnMaster do that, with how much it is awful!
19:59:56 <Deewiant> yes, writing your own language from scratch is a much better idea... at least you won't get CONTAMINATED
20:00:22 <tusho> Deewiant: it'll be able to write kernels, too
20:00:28 <tusho> that's important when writing a befunge interpreter
20:01:16 <Deewiant> true
20:01:23 <Deewiant> (but I note that one can write kernels in D, it's been done)
20:01:32 <tusho> Deewiant: but it's NOT EASY
20:01:34 <tusho> it has to be EASY
20:01:40 <tusho> how will we develop kernels otherwise?
20:01:46 <tusho> are you a kernel-hating COMMUNIST?
20:01:56 <Deewiant> oh noes! I'm caught!
20:02:00 * Deewiant runs
20:02:14 <tusho> Deewiant: I bet you don't even make sure your C code runs faster than POSIX 1.0 interface test module!
20:02:24 <AnMaster> Deewiant, I think D will be nice
20:02:28 <AnMaster> once it works properly
20:02:37 <AnMaster> however phobos already does that iirc?
20:02:51 <tusho> once it WORKS PROPERLY
20:02:52 <AnMaster> tusho, IDEA: BEFUNGE KERNEL!
20:02:55 <tusho> it is UNFIXABLY BROKEN
20:03:01 <AnMaster> BEFUNGE KERNEL YAY!
20:03:01 <tusho> because it doesn't work PERFECTLY on x86-64
20:03:04 <AnMaster> that would rock
20:03:15 <Deewiant> I suspect that the main reason phobos works in cases where tango doesn't is that phobos uses the C stdlib to implement much of its functionality
20:03:21 <Deewiant> whereas tango uses kernel calls directly
20:03:33 <AnMaster> Deewiant, eww
20:03:40 <AnMaster> Deewiant, kernel may change
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20:03:48 <AnMaster> Deewiant, so tango will be hard to port to freebsd and so on
20:03:49 <Deewiant> you know what I meant
20:03:50 <AnMaster> I see
20:03:51 <Deewiant> POSIX
20:03:52 <AnMaster> nice...
20:03:56 <Deewiant> and WinAPI
20:04:07 <AnMaster> Deewiant, hm? doesn't both use libc routines?
20:04:17 <AnMaster> you just said tango does syscalls itself
20:04:34 <AnMaster> Deewiant, and no I don't know what you meant
20:04:51 <Deewiant> what I meant is open(2) instead of open(3)
20:04:54 <Deewiant> er
20:04:55 <Deewiant> fopen(3)
20:05:01 <AnMaster> ah right
20:07:43 <Deewiant> (and on Windows, that'd be CreateFileW)
20:08:36 * tusho wonders if it's reasonable to require people posting on his blog to have an openid
20:08:38 <tusho> (comments that is)
20:11:18 <pikhq> I think Tango only has a single line of code that doesn't build on x86_64 properly.
20:11:32 <pikhq> I would have fixed it if I knew WTF was going on in said line.
20:11:40 <Deewiant> I pasted 4 open Tango tickets regarding x86_64 yesterday
20:11:44 <tusho> pikhq: What is the line?
20:11:45 <Deewiant> don't know which ones are critical, though.
20:12:00 <pikhq> Don't remember.
20:12:01 <tusho> And does anyone have an opinion on what I said? :P
20:12:14 <pikhq> Somewhere in the regexp functions.
20:12:17 <Deewiant> I comment on blogs only very rarely
20:12:20 <Deewiant> and I don't have an openid
20:12:29 <Deewiant> so my opinion is probably fairly worthless.
20:12:39 <tusho> Deewiant: It only takes a second to get one: https://www.myopenid.com/
20:12:47 <Deewiant> why get one when I don't need one
20:13:00 <tusho> True. But, like you said, you're unlikely to comment on my blog. :P
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20:19:48 <AnMaster> idea for crazy versioning system for software:
20:20:42 <tusho> anyone re: the openid thing?
20:20:48 <AnMaster> instead of alpha, beta, and so on, use omega, and backwards
20:21:23 <AnMaster> so it would be: omega, psi, chi, phi, ...
20:24:07 <tusho> :\
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20:27:28 <AnMaster> tusho, what is openid?
20:27:28 <Slereah_> ...
20:27:35 <Slereah_> Does it even go up to gamma?
20:27:37 <tusho> AnMaster: yeah, I don't think I need your opinion
20:27:38 <tusho> :p
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20:27:44 <AnMaster> Slereah_, huh?
20:27:47 <AnMaster> Slereah_, what does?
20:27:59 <Slereah_> I mean, I thought it was alpha->beta->finished
20:28:41 <Slereah_> Hey, tusho.
20:28:50 <AnMaster> Slereah_, gamma would be release candidate?
20:28:50 <Slereah_> Let's talk of old cartoons to confuse AnMaster.
20:28:58 <Slereah_> I dunno.
20:28:59 <AnMaster> afk
20:42:30 <tusho> Anywooon?
20:47:07 <Slereah_> WOOOOOOOOOOO
20:47:12 <tusho> Anyone?
20:47:15 <Slereah_> Inspector Gadget!
20:47:17 <Slereah_> WOO HOO
20:47:52 <Slereah_> Anyone what?
20:48:07 <tusho> ANSAH MY KWESTON
20:48:09 <tusho> Actually wait.
20:48:14 <tusho> oklopol: Do you have an OpenID?
20:53:16 <tusho> oklopol: Oi.
20:58:30 <tusho> oklopol: Ping
21:01:33 <cctoide> hommelette
21:02:51 <tusho> cctoide: do you have an openid
21:03:27 <cctoide> probably, since I registered for an LJ account once
21:03:33 <cctoide> dinnertime
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21:18:02 <pikhq> Slereah_: Some free software does alpha -> beta -> release candidate -> release.
21:30:13 <Slereah_> But there is no gamma->delta->...
21:42:31 <AnMaster> pikhq, so do I
21:42:32 <AnMaster> indeed
21:42:42 <AnMaster> or "pre-release"
21:42:48 <AnMaster> depends on what project
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23:34:11 <oklopol> o
23:35:37 <tusho> oklopol: do you have an openid
23:36:06 <oklopol> o no.
23:36:16 <oklopol> unless you can have it without knowing it.
23:36:33 <tusho> oklopol: if you read the most awesome post about oko code on my blog and you wanted to leave a comment about how much you love me
23:36:45 <tusho> would you still do it if you had to take about 2 seconds to get an openid at https://www.myopenid.com/
23:36:49 <tusho> before you could post it
23:37:40 <tusho> oklopol: hmmmmmmmmmm?
23:37:54 <oklopol> whyaaaaaaa
23:37:56 <oklopol> lessee
23:38:04 <oklopol> i'm really just popping by
23:38:17 <tusho> this is still super important <______________________________________________<
23:39:35 <tusho> oklopol: WELL??????????????????????????!111111111111 ;_________;
23:40:11 <oklopol> :D
23:40:16 <oklopol> i registered
23:40:22 <tusho> oklopol: oh good. so you would take the time
23:40:24 <tusho> excellent
23:40:25 <oklopol> didn't get the confirmation thingie yet.
23:40:37 <tusho> oklopol: o, btw. this is what you can now put into any openid enabled site
23:40:40 <tusho> oklopol.myopenid.com
23:40:43 <tusho> and use it without signing up
23:40:44 <tusho> yaey
23:41:05 <tusho> Which basically amounts to putting oklopol.myopenid.com in the OpenID field on my blog, really. :P
23:41:54 <oklopol> heh.
23:42:06 <oklopol> i made it send the confirmation to oklopol@gmain.com :)
23:42:14 <tusho> GMAIN
23:42:16 <tusho> :D
23:42:18 <oklopol> :DDD
23:42:44 <oklopol> i typoed gmail->gmain already once today
23:42:48 <tusho> oklopol: when you get it working make sure you set your name thing to 'oklopol'
23:42:54 <tusho> otherwise on my blahhg it'll show as oklopol.myopenid.com
23:42:59 <tusho> which sux more than 'oklopol'
23:43:27 <oklopol> i don't really know how to get it working now
23:43:44 <tusho> oklopol: you could resign up as oklofok
23:44:05 <oklopol> hmm indeed
23:44:12 <tusho> but that's lame
23:44:15 <tusho> surely there's something you can do
23:44:17 <oklopol> but i'm going to sleep now, so another day.
23:44:19 <oklopol> probably
23:44:29 <oklopol> they will hopefully drop me after a while
23:44:43 <tusho> doubt it