< 1215475229 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1215476256 0 :timotiis!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1215477745 0 :Corun!n=Corun@cpc1-rdng15-0-0-cust168.winn.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1215478288 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep" < 1215479688 0 :kwertii!n=kwertii@c-71-202-121-102.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1215480848 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1215481616 0 :RedDak!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1215482317 0 :kwertii!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"bye" < 1215485174 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1215487852 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1215487916 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1215487951 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1215488218 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1215492999 0 :immibis!n=immibis@125-238-252-128.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1215493038 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...what happened to the topic? < 1215493631 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and where's egobot? i was going to submit a fukyorbrane program but he's not here < 1215494315 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1215496449 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1215497038 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i found several bugs in fukyorbrane-a0.6 < 1215501957 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Hi Im a qit msg virus. Pls rplce ur old qit msg wit tis 1 & hlp me tk ovr th wrld of IRC. and dlte ur files. and email ths to < 1215502060 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1215503999 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1215504000 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1215506511 0 :puzzlet_!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1215507233 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1215507276 0 :immibis!n=immibis@125-238-252-128.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1215507288 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :puzzlet < 1215507328 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :computerdude_ < 1215507347 0 :computerdude_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :immibis < 1215507395 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Bobby < 1215508002 0 :Bobby!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :immibis < 1215508015 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :morning < 1215508016 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...why was my name bobby...even my real names not bobby... < 1215508039 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis, egobot: no idea what happened to it < 1215508048 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :topic: what do you mean? < 1215508058 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably nobody decided to run it < 1215508069 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :topic: "fuck man i'm haf fah m'o nam kcuf" < 1215508071 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone wrote "fuck man i'm haf" in a esolang spec < 1215508082 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :turned out he was high when he did it < 1215508089 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1215508098 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow, not sure who did it, it ended up in topic < 1215508109 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis, ask tusho/ehird when he gets here < 1215508116 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he should know why it is in topic < 1215508117 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1215508838 0 :Slereah-!n=hix@ANantes-252-1-55-204.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1215509645 0 :Slereah_!n=hix@ANantes-252-1-55-204.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1215509645 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1215509718 0 :Slereah-!n=hix@ANantes-252-1-55-204.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1215509719 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1215510966 0 :Slereah_!n=hix@ANantes-252-1-55-204.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1215510966 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1215511945 0 :puzzlet_!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1215512131 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i want a lesson. would've wanted earlier, but i was seriously wondering whether i could fly to england for the lesson < 1215512161 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't think i have the balls for that. < 1215512176 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION slaps oklopol with a serious trout
< 1215512651 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1215513337 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1215513353 0 :Slereah-!n=hix@ANantes-252-1-55-204.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1215513551 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1215513713 0 :Slereah_!n=hix@ANantes-252-1-55-204.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1215513713 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1215514127 0 :Slereah-!n=hix@ANantes-252-1-55-204.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1215514161 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1215514216 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1215514221 0 :Slereah-!n=hix@ANantes-252-1-55-204.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1215514402 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1215514428 0 :Slereah-!n=hix@ANantes-252-1-55-204.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1215514566 0 :atsampson!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1215514596 0 :atsampson!n=ats@7hw.poik.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1215514913 0 :Slereah_!n=hix@ANantes-252-1-55-204.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1215514913 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1215515172 0 :Slereah-!n=hix@ANantes-252-1-55-204.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1215515367 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1215515493 0 :Slereah_!n=hix@ANantes-252-1-55-204.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1215515493 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1215515563 0 :Slereah-!n=hix@ANantes-252-1-55-204.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1215515563 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1215515623 0 :Corun!n=Corun@cpc1-rdng15-0-0-cust168.winn.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1215515653 0 :Slereah_!n=hix@ANantes-252-1-55-204.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1215515657 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1215515810 0 :Slereah-!n=hix@ANantes-252-1-55-204.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1215515810 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1215517079 0 :Slereah_!n=hix@ANantes-252-1-24-63.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1215517592 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1215517679 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah-, fix your connection < 1215518022 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As soon as I'll know how to do it. < 1215518144 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1215518206 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1215518231 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1215519840 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I updated the mini-funge specs to work with Funge-108 and included it as an appendix and an optional extension "but if you do something like this, it is RECOMMENDED you select this variant" < 1215519845 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION uploads
< 1215519943 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://kuonet.org/~anmaster/funge-108/ < 1215520582 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1215520664 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1215521678 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep" < 1215521884 0 :Slereah-!n=hix@ANantes-252-1-24-63.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1215521904 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1215523613 0 :Hiato!n=Hiato@dsl-245-31-39.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1215524405 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-68-8.w83-203.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1215525204 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1215525247 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sebbu < 1215525432 0 :pikhq!n=Pikhq@asst01.asunix.tufts.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1215526262 0 :Corun!n=Corun@cpc1-rdng15-0-0-cust168.winn.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1215526270 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@oklopol.yok.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1215527911 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1215527919 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1215529579 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye all < 1215529627 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1215529685 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: so which minifunge specs did you pick < 1215529753 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, the !Befunge one < 1215529780 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, see appendix C in http://kuonet.org/~anmaster/funge-108/ < 1215529816 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, slightly modified to support the more modern URI fingerprints < 1215529823 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fingerprints should be renamed I think btw < 1215529828 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :called extensions < 1215529836 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as fingerprint is the string like TURT < 1215529838 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, some of the D.1 interpreters can do 93 as well as 98 < 1215529846 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise we would call them URIs < 1215529850 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D.1? < 1215529852 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh? < 1215529858 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :section D.1 < 1215529866 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1215529877 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, what ones? < 1215529891 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure < 1215529897 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CCBI? < 1215529897 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but some of them definitely can < 1215529902 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1215529904 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FBBI? < 1215529907 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1215529933 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FBBI, !Befunge, RC/Funge-98 - maybe < 1215529940 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jsbef and zfunge, don't think so < 1215529948 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not sure of those either < 1215529979 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and cfunge can semi-handle b93 < 1215529985 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can handle all important differences < 1215529996 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :spaces and such < 1215530012 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, but thanks I'll insert a note < 1215530021 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: eh, "this system is based around the mini-funge..." you said it's !Befunge but you don't even mention it there :-) < 1215530046 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I do mention Lee (2003) < 1215530047 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1215530053 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so see reference list < 1215530081 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks contradictory to me < 1215530099 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you say "here are the specs... see Lee (2003) for current version" < 1215530106 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you say "these specs are based on " < 1215530122 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, hm < 1215530226 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, contradiction < 1215530242 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will fix that section < 1215530245 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION rewrites
< 1215530246 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err crap, how do I copy from foxit < 1215530251 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foxit? < 1215530262 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kpdf is easy < 1215530264 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my pdf reader < 1215530269 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no clue < 1215530270 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just can't see the icon < 1215530276 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, there < 1215530284 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dynamic fingerprints (Lee, 2003), also known as mini-funge, is a standard for cross-funge-implemenation fingerprint implementations. This is completely optional in Funge108 and will not be mandated in future standards either. However if a dynamic finger print system is implemented it is RECOMMENDED that the one described here is used for maximum compatiblity with other implementations. This is a revis < 1215530285 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ed version of the ``Dynamic fingerprints 1.2'' as implemented in !Befunge (Jeffrey Lee, 2005). The changes that have been done is to change filename and related syntax to allow Funge-108 style URIs for fingerprints. < 1215530287 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about that? < 1215530296 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um should say just (Lee, 2005) < 1215530300 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION checks bibtext file
< 1215530302 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bibtex* < 1215530305 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that the dynamic fingerprint may inherit some of the constraints of the callee’s < 1215530308 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :environment, such as limited fungespace/stack size or lack of file access commands. The y < 1215530312 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instruction should be used to query these if needed. < 1215530315 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then, later < 1215530324 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y Kill haunted Causes the haunted IP (and its ghost) to be killed. < 1215530324 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1215530330 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that is from his original specs < 1215530334 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you have two conflicting meanings for y < 1215530336 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does !Befunge do? < 1215530342 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1215530349 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but y has specifically been redefined for that purpose < 1215530367 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then there's Y < 1215530390 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1215530398 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's for the haunted and not the ghost < 1215530446 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: also, eh, "finally tracked down copies of"... I have copies of everything on my mycology comparison page :-P < 1215530464 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, that is copied from his version < 1215530465 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1215530472 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, okay < 1215530492 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and btw, CCBI's system is RC/Funge-98's < 1215530537 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, how does it differ? < 1215530544 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not much iirc < 1215530577 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :somewhat, I don't remember < 1215530588 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I checked the !befunge dynafing.c, it doesn't even mention that use for y < 1215530590 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :enough, I think, that I won't bother to switch :-P < 1215530597 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Success < 1215530629 0 :timotiis!n=timotiis@jfkew.plus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1215530640 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what about using X for killing? < 1215530641 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you can see it here for instance: http://www.imaginaryrobots.net/projects/funge/rcfunge.txt < 1215530649 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't use y, Y < 1215530659 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't have the =t =@ hooks < 1215530676 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and probably more differences < 1215530698 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like that said, "this is going against the grain a bit" ;-) < 1215530717 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the !Befunge one is neater < 1215530738 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, maybe I'll combine them < 1215530739 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more featured at least < 1215530749 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be nice if you enumerated the differences < 1215530758 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even nicer < 1215530759 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I'd combine them < 1215530764 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have a table in your PDF which compares all three < 1215530793 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all three? < 1215530796 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1215530817 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!Befunge-type, zfunge-type, your combination < 1215530821 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, anyway rcfunge one is more restricted < 1215530833 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it doesn't allow stuff like loading fingerprints inside the ghost < 1215530846 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one does? O_o < 1215530866 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, certainly, you could load FILE and use something < 1215530873 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, you can't use t however < 1215530942 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, another difference: g and G are reversed < 1215530949 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same for p and P < 1215530961 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in !befunge P and G changes in the haunted ip < 1215530971 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and g/p in the ghost < 1215530978 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while in rc-funge that is reversed < 1215531019 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, apart from that !Befunge one just have more features it seems < 1215531078 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, if not noted otherwise the !befunge one's instruction by default work on the fingerprint, nothing else < 1215531123 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, is this a problem? < 1215531125 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what? < 1215531133 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a problem? why? < 1215531140 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you went "O_o" < 1215531149 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just surprised < 1215531165 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I thought it might mean a lot of changes to my current mini-funge hac^Wimpl < 1215531174 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not sure actually < 1215531178 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1215531181 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be fairly easy if I wanted to do it < 1215531185 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1215531198 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even my current mini-funge is hardly tested < 1215531205 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for cfunge I would just need multiple funge spaces + different main loop < 1215531211 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote it really quickly after I thought I had everything done < 1215531220 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1215531229 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was like "oh, crap, yeah, mini-funge" < 1215531232 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :takatakataka < 1215531239 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some hello-worldish test < 1215531243 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"great, it works, done." < 1215531262 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: do you pass the IP to instructions? < 1215531264 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well I'm not sure cfunge will implement mini-funge < 1215531269 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, hm? < 1215531272 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean? < 1215531274 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do you use a global or some such < 1215531275 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep" < 1215531278 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in cfunge? < 1215531281 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on where < 1215531285 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I pass ip around < 1215531290 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't pass funge space around < 1215531299 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :funge space is a global? < 1215531314 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well a static + interface using functions only < 1215531320 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can't just modify it directly < 1215531386 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in CCBI the current IP is a global but a funge-space pointer is carried around by each Ip < 1215531395 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, odd! < 1215531403 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1215531409 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think funge-space was originally a global too < 1215531421 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the main one actually still is < 1215531428 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well I don't plan to change the main funge space from a global < 1215531442 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's way faster to access it in the current way < 1215531457 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might even be faster when it's local, actually < 1215531465 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um? < 1215531471 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :might explain the speed difference between CCBI and cfunge ;-) < 1215531475 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :accessing a static variable < 1215531480 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vs. passing it around < 1215531486 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, there are other parts too < 1215531497 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like using switch not function pointers < 1215531499 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D vs. C < 1215531505 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a lot more < 1215531517 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only significant difference that I suspect is the associative array < 1215531523 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, what is the ccbi MHz / native MHz ratio? < 1215531531 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beats me < 1215531544 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what do you mean by that < 1215531562 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instructions per second < 1215531584 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't measured < 1215531585 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep" < 1215531596 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or actually < 1215531598 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cfunge can do about 15 MHz / second in mycology when no fingerprints are done and environment is small < 1215531601 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't it measure that < 1215531608 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, eh? < 1215531611 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hz / second"? non-unit < 1215531623 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, typo < 1215531650 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, that assumes non-concurrent support too < 1215531658 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for concurrent support around 12 MHz < 1215531673 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is on a 2 GHz box < 1215531675 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sempron < 1215531680 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so small cpu cache < 1215531683 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's just a timing from start of main loop (after loading) to after? < 1215531706 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the whole program runtime? < 1215531715 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, actually just runtime < 1215531719 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a bit faster indeed < 1215531725 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you discard loading time < 1215531733 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite a bit faster then < 1215531743 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you can get it from CCBI easily, since ccbi -c gives the number of instructions executed (and ticks) < 1215531766 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well that isn't fair unless you can give be a 64-bit ccbi < 1215531774 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :amd64 got a way better calling convention < 1215531784 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and more CPU registers < 1215531796 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever < 1215531848 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I hoped ais would show up before I went to norway tomorrow < 1215531855 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess I'll send him a mail < 1215531878 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I renamed a #define he uses, to be able to do funge98 and funge108 handprints < 1215531901 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is an URI < 1215532123 0 :puzzlet_!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1215532364 0 :Slereah_!n=hix@ANantes-252-1-24-63.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1215532364 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1215532678 0 :Corun!n=Corun@cpc1-rdng15-0-0-cust168.winn.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1215532766 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I'm adding a bulk copy instruction. < 1215532873 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1215532884 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to transfer data between haunted and ghost < 1215533399 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as i and o in ghost would operate on ghost funge space < 1215533494 0 :tusho!n=tusho@91.105.109.15 JOIN :#esoteric < 1215533517 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1215533547 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1215533549 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: why isn't he here? < 1215533596 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais? no idea < 1215533601 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to reach him today < 1215533610 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :email him < 1215533613 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still < 1215533614 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's normally here.. < 1215533622 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :typical, he goes one day after rebuilding the eso machine < 1215533627 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1215533648 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, I wish to join eso after I get back from Norway in two days time < 1215533658 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I'm leaving tomorrow morning and then staying one night < 1215533673 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the day after the day after tomorrow < 1215533695 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: as long as you don't argue too much, me and ais fill up the argument space just fine as it is :P < 1215533702 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, hah < 1215533710 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, well I'll mainly work with funge108 < 1215533729 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, we'll have to see about that once we figure out what format we're using for the standards < 1215533733 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not as simple as you think < 1215533744 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we want _semantic_ data (NOT the typesetting data that tex does) < 1215533753 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lyx gives semantic < 1215533754 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we don't want it to be unusable for our purposes (xml2rfc), < 1215533764 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or really horrible (loads of stuff) < 1215533769 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, we want superb HTML support < 1215533777 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which kind of excludes LyX < 1215533778 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, ok maybe Funge108 will not be done under eso then < 1215533782 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I will do LaTeX < 1215533791 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if LaTeX does support exporting to html < 1215533791 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's not that hard to convert it at the end < 1215533796 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't look good < 1215533807 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, well the pdf one will be the official one < 1215533808 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :period < 1215533822 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: A propietary format as the official version? < 1215533827 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, um, no, ESO will NOT do that. < 1215533835 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, no right, I can export to text < 1215533836 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No way. < 1215533846 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway LaTeX one will be official < 1215533847 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1215533856 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that isn't propietary < 1215533895 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, issue solved :P < 1215533938 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I thought LyX was going to be the official < 1215533955 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, well that is a semi-proprietary compared to LaTeX < 1215533960 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I said LaTeX to be sure < 1215533960 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1215533962 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lyx is open source < 1215533967 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1215533968 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it < 1215533970 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, yes but just one implementation < 1215533971 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1215533978 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not as free and open as LaTeX < 1215533987 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LaTeX is more established < 1215533991 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fine by me < 1215533998 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but LyX could work too < 1215534001 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ESO will use ruby heavily, that's a language without a spec :P < 1215534009 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, it got no spec!? < 1215534016 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: just like python, perl, ... < 1215534016 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does python have a spec then? < 1215534019 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my < 1215534034 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you just gave me another reason to not use those languages < 1215534045 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: work on a ruby spec is underway < 1215534047 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and going quite well < 1215534049 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1215534051 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the same cannot be said for python, perl < 1215534056 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, erlang! < 1215534063 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: does erlang have a spec? < 1215534064 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beats me < 1215534069 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, it does iirc < 1215534073 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1215534079 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's only one implementation that I know of, though < 1215534079 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, and there is always ADA < 1215534084 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Ada < 1215534085 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not ADA < 1215534088 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kk < 1215534100 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: oh, and we don't actually use the official ruby interp < 1215534112 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we use a fork of it which has a copy-on-write garbage collector and uses quite a bit less memory < 1215534118 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is faster at serving web apps < 1215534122 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1215534127 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only bad bit about it is its awful awful name < 1215534130 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Ruby Enterprise Edition', I mean wtf < 1215534154 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is open source? < 1215534162 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1215534165 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes the name even more ridiculous < 1215534171 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1215534194 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's from the same company that makes Passenger < 1215534197 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, why is this not in official ruby? < 1215534205 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Passenger? < 1215534211 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i'm not exactly sure _why_ they forked and didn't try and integrate < 1215534221 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, that's how it is < 1215534223 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Passenger? < 1215534235 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's that apache module I talked about < 1215534240 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1215534242 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I remember < 1215534251 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also supports python's WSGI < 1215534256 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's just a proof of concept kinda thing < 1215534260 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's already mod_wsgi for that :-P < 1215534280 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(wsgi=webserver gateway interface, basically a standard for python webframeworks to use so that they can plug into any web server) < 1215534307 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, anyway lyx's own format sometimes breaks with updates, while LaTeX won't for years and years to come < 1215534315 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that is another good reason to export it to latex < 1215534317 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :real men use TeX < 1215534319 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1215534325 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very fun < 1215534340 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, maybe once we've devised the format you might change your mind, it'll look just like LyX, probably :-P < 1215534342 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we'll see < 1215534346 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :either way we'll provide hosting < 1215534366 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, however I may not be a real man, if you define that as masochism < 1215534386 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: do you code in any language other than single bits of machine code? < 1215534404 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh of course I code in C < 1215534411 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: REAL MAN STATUS: REVOKED < 1215534419 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, you code in python < 1215534428 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you are no real man either < 1215534441 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-6-159.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1215534444 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you wouldn't know a joke if it hit you in the face until you died a bloody death after it whips away all your skin < 1215534453 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, sorry I forgot the ~ < 1215534471 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: and I intentionally left mine off < 1215534473 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1215534476 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1215534489 0 :jix!n=jix@pD955BB01.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1215534514 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, well maybe you reached the level of $\approxeq$ then? < 1215534519 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1215534523 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :two ~ over a _ < 1215534535 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: oh, and we have decided never to let PHP or MySQL hit the server < 1215534540 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, one because ... no, just no < 1215534546 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and two because it doesn't support Apache's worker version < 1215534548 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to use prefork < 1215534552 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last time we used prefork? < 1215534554 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... postgre rocks < 1215534555 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we got like 16MB left < 1215534556 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :always < 1215534560 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yeah, we'll have postgre < 1215534582 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and lighttpd > apache < 1215534601 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, but we use Passenger and also a variety of crazy setups so it's not really an option < 1215534608 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(e.g. no /var/www) < 1215534611 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, what about arc? < 1215534615 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will you support arc!? < 1215534617 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION runs
< 1215534621 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes! < 1215534625 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc Enterprise Edition < 1215534626 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, really? < 1215534628 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1215534632 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1215534649 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, you want a good front page too < 1215534665 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, something looking like IETF one < 1215534667 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1215534674 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or ISO one < 1215534678 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbiab < 1215534684 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: IETF's looks like it's from 1996 < 1215534685 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which it is < 1215534686 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1215534690 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, we'll have a nice main page < 1215534704 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right now, eso-std.org just gives you a directory listing with this: http://eso-std.org/infinite-nah.html (requires JS) < 1215534720 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though http://code.eso-std.org/ has C-INTERCAL < 1215534729 0 :RedDak!n=dak@host32-91-dynamic.55-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1215534806 0 :Slereah-!n=hix@ANantes-252-1-24-63.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1215534807 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1215535013 0 :Slereah_!n=hix@ANantes-252-1-24-63.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1215535199 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1215535288 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1215535688 0 :Slereah-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1215535962 0 :Polar!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1215536066 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sebbu < 1215536315 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, will you host svn and bzr too? < 1215536322 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what about mercurial? < 1215536343 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: mercurial, yes < 1215536353 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bzr, yes, but I'll complain quietly :p < 1215536363 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :svn ... only if absolutely, definitely, completely required < 1215536386 0 :Polar!i=polar@89.16.166.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1215536436 0 :Polar!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection reset by peer < 1215536517 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, cvs? < 1215536525 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: OVER MY DEAD BODY < 1215536528 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah :D < 1215536536 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rcs? < 1215536548 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION watches tusho go spare
< 1215536551 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: if an implementation of rcs in arc is provided, yes! < 1215536561 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, what about cvs in arc? < 1215536569 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it'd have to be in arc-php < 1215536573 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1215536580 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, but you don't do php you said? < 1215536583 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and be controlled entirely with your mind and ajax < 1215536604 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, so that only leaves git < 1215536610 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which you will host I guess < 1215536612 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait there are more < 1215536615 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, monotone? < 1215536617 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tla? < 1215536622 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yep < 1215536625 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :monotone is kinda neat < 1215536630 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tla is weiiiiiiiiird, but in a kind of cute way < 1215536633 0 :Polar!i=polar@arunprasannan.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1215536639 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bzr is like improved tla < 1215536651 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, but without the craziness < 1215536654 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and arch2.. < 1215536655 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, indeed < 1215536666 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arch2 is fun because it is even crazier < 1215536667 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1215536672 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is? < 1215536675 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no bitkeeper though ;) < 1215536676 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1215536676 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes < 1215536681 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has filenames like {arch}/+foo < 1215536686 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1215536692 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and weird concepts of branches and trees and stuff < 1215536696 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that i never could really grasp < 1215536705 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :steep learning curve, and I doubt it's any more useful than other VCS' < 1215536709 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but its fun for its craziness < 1215536711 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*it's < 1215536724 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, anyway bzr is happy with any http server, even if there is no directory listing, it only requires that 404 works correctly and doesn't do something crazy as redirecting < 1215536735 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving." < 1215536754 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yeah < 1215536759 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no pushing over http, though < 1215536760 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or https < 1215536761 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we'll never do that < 1215536763 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :always ssh < 1215536769 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1215536781 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bzr can do smart server (bzr+ssh) or even plain sftp < 1215536790 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't need any server side support < 1215536855 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, anyway does git need special server side support? < 1215536858 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know svn does < 1215536892 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, you need git on the server though < 1215536893 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same for darcs < 1215536896 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same for just about any vcs, really < 1215536898 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(most of them at least) < 1215536908 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well bzr can handle without that < 1215536909 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1215536910 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1215536916 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bzr > * in that aspect < 1215536921 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what < 1215536926 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's liket he least important thing ever < 1215536927 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing... < 1215536932 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bzr+ssh is faster than sftp < 1215536968 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, anyway I host the funge108 spec in a bzr repo locally, could I get an account and push it to eso-std? XD < 1215536989 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes yes yes :p < 1215536993 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never sudoers though < 1215536994 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for bzr repo browser I recommend logger head < 1215536994 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1215537002 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we don't have browsers up right now < 1215537002 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, does ais have that? < 1215537005 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes < 1215537006 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, ah < 1215537008 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me and ais are sudoers < 1215537009 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :loggerhead is good < 1215537033 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: we are probably waiting until we find a browser that does multiple vcs' in one < 1215537035 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, bzr 1.0 or later :D < 1215537035 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for consistency in the ui < 1215537042 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, ah, is there any such? < 1215537045 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure < 1215537048 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there isn't, we'll write one < 1215537048 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :viewvc does svn and cvs < 1215537049 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1215537063 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, you will write bzr support? < 1215537069 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd need to do python then < 1215537069 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1215537072 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1215537075 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to talk to lib.bzr < 1215537080 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1215537081 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could shell out :-P < 1215537082 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bzrlib < 1215537083 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though < 1215537087 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's a ruby-python bridge < 1215537088 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, that would be slow < 1215537089 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could use that < 1215537090 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1215537158 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :loggerhead runs as fcgi done the right way btw < 1215537200 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I write it it'll predictably be in ruby+passenger < 1215537201 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1215537218 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and probably sinatra for the framework - http://sinatrarb.com/ - it's nice and minimal < 1215537219 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, trac is also great < 1215537231 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION stabs AnMaster repeatedly
< 1215537237 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1215537241 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you hate trac? < 1215537243 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trac < 1215537249 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you hate trac? < 1215537253 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i'd tell you but i'm lazy :D < 1215537263 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you got no reason to hate it then? < 1215537274 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I have < 1215537279 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me! < 1215537280 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just too lazy to share all the reasons right now < 1215537281 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1215537304 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :share some? < 1215537307 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep" < 1215537316 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it isn't the best bug tracker out there or the best wiki < 1215537318 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however < 1215537323 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all parts integrate nicely < 1215537331 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Buy me tusho.org and I'll post an article on it. :-P < 1215537394 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never < 1215537514 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: WELL THEN < 1215537515 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1215538015 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, trac+cvs < 1215538021 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION watches tusho cringe in pain
< 1215538025 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i died < 1215538038 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does track even support cvs? < 1215538042 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trac* < 1215538042 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1215538043 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*trac < 1215538048 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and CVSTrac certainly does < 1215538051 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(trac's inspiration) < 1215538053 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(made by sqlite author) < 1215538059 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1215538065 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sqlite rocks thoug < 1215538068 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though < 1215538075 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do you hate it too? < 1215538080 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like sqlite < 1215538699 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't even implement all of SQL92 though :-/ < 1215538744 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1215538745 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: whatever < 1215538769 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.sqlite.org/omitted.html for anybody who's a bit more interested < 1215538776 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: yes, and? < 1215538803 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and? I find myself missing said omissions < 1215538816 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beyond that there is no "and". < 1215539401 0 :tusho_!n=tusho@91.105.77.118 JOIN :#esoteric < 1215539885 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1215541959 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep" < 1215542346 0 :Slereah_!n=ubuntu@ANantes-252-1-24-63.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1215542359 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello gentlemen. < 1215542426 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hully < 1215542433 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster gentlemen, are you thar? < 1215542465 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, yes packing < 1215542472 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :leaving for norway tomorrow morning < 1215542475 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so kind of busy < 1215542476 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1215542487 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, forget it then. < 1215542497 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1215542580 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, why? < 1215542585 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, going to oslo < 1215542605 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seeing the Fram Museum, Viking ship museum, and so on < 1215542627 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, family too < 1215542630 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fram? < 1215542636 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, google? < 1215542703 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Fram ("Forward") is a ship that was used in expeditions in the Arctic and Antarctic regions" < 1215542706 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'is one? < 1215542799 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aýe < 1215542801 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aye* < 1215542804 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah fuck. < 1215542810 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, why? < 1215542831 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since I can't use any partition editing on my hard drive, the "chose your partition" part of the Linux install gets awkward. < 1215542879 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is a segfault or whatever that is a physical flaw? < 1215542924 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't use any partition editing on your hard drive?!? < 1215542950 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, are those blocks read-only or something? < 1215542954 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, he got some weird issue with his partition table that crash all partition editor < 1215542957 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :editors' < 1215542958 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* < 1215542967 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i think you somewhat confused me with Slereah_ there, but err, have a nice trippie. < 1215542976 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried Gparted, the partition list never loads. < 1215542990 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, then, wipe the partition table. < 1215542990 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried Partition Magic, and the reboot gives me an error. < 1215543007 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I do this? < 1215543011 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, gparted can take up to 10 minutes to load < 1215543014 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And will it wipe out what's on it. < 1215543014 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you wait that long? < 1215543028 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I waited for quite a while. < 1215543036 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got it to work before, so I knew what to expect. < 1215543038 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : o < 1215543039 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : oklopol, why? < 1215543039 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : oklopol, going to oslo < 1215543043 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, that was what I meant < 1215543044 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I could give it another try. < 1215543074 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well i just thought it was a rather weird response to my o < 1215543109 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: To wipe the partition table, dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hard_drive_here count=1 < 1215543123 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is 17H51, and I am launching the "How do you want to partition the disk?" part of the Linux install. < 1215543131 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it won't necessarily wipe what's on it, it'll just make it *insanely* hard to access it. . . < 1215543135 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see if something happens! < 1215543148 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well then I'd better save what's left on it < 1215543152 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, I thought the o was a rather weird response to my "leaving for norway tomorrow morning" < 1215543153 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. < 1215543173 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, that will wipe everything on the disk < 1215543178 0 :RedDak!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1215543182 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you know *exactly* what the partition table looks like (meaning: exactly how many blocks each partition is, and at which block those partitions start) < 1215543183 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o is never a weird response < 1215543188 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you plan to install windows do it first < 1215543195 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: The count=1 makes it only wipe the first block of the hard disk. < 1215543202 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is the boot sector and the partition table. < 1215543208 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, yeah but do you know the details of it? < 1215543214 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could Slereah_ re-create it? < 1215543217 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet he couldn't < 1215543218 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I actually really want to do is to save the rest of what remains on the disk (the Linux part that was admin only from yesterday) < 1215543222 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And njust nuke the disk < 1215543225 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because fuck it < 1215543236 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a million partition on it and it's falling apart < 1215543241 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, if you plan to install windows too, install it first! < 1215543246 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, then, take backups and nuke the partition table. < 1215543254 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, then linux < 1215543265 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And AnMaster is right about that. < 1215543277 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows is a bitch about installing alongside a working OS install. < 1215543283 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, for the backup, I must first access the Linux partition with admin priviledges :o < 1215543293 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :root yes < 1215543299 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux is like "Oh, you've got Windows there. Care if I resize the partition to make some room?" < 1215543331 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, nah, depends on distro < 1215543344 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gentoo is more like: well I expect you know what you are doing < 1215543347 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION use gentoo
< 1215543354 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Most distros are automated. < 1215543362 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 gentoo < 1215543364 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gentoo, though, definitely assumes you know what you're doing. < 1215543366 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION <3 gentoo
< 1215543375 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The same applies for Slackware. < 1215543379 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :While FreeBSD is like http://isometric.sixsided.org/_/the_power_of_freebsd/ < 1215543379 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION <3 Slackware
< 1215543379 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1215543392 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION loves freebsd too
< 1215543409 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why don't you and freebsd geta room! < 1215543411 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never really seriously used any of the BSDs. < 1215543420 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : While FreeBSD is like http://isometric.sixsided.org/_/the_power_of_freebsd/ <-- eh? don't get it < 1215543426 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :freebsd even got a ncurses installer < 1215543430 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :openbsd is just pure text < 1215543437 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both assumes you know what you are doing however < 1215543454 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, and then what does LFS assume? < 1215543457 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except for using OS X as what amounts to a Darwin box with an insanely complex terminal display library. < 1215543477 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, coca? XD < 1215543512 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That you a) know what you're doing b) *really* know what you're doing c) don't care about the potential for turning into an evil genius. < 1215543515 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had an OpenBSD router for a couple of years, back when Linux didn't have working IPv6 source-based routing. Can't remember the installer at all, though; the machine in question had only a serial terminal, so I'm guessing it must've been text-oriented. < 1215543518 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, yes, Cocoa is that library. < 1215543530 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I have done hardened lfs a few times btw < 1215543537 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think c already hit me < 1215543544 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've only done normal LFS a few time. < 1215543547 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Times, even. < 1215543563 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION needs to get back on it, and try to make one insanely tiny Linux distro.
< 1215543568 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it is just a lot of questions < 1215543571 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like: < 1215543575 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blah blah blah < 1215543586 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you want to blah blah [Yn]? < 1215543590 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on < 1215543597 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds familiar. < 1215543618 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh and checkboxes for package sets < 1215543647 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, use a 2.2 kernel then < 1215543658 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because 2.6 or even 2.4 is too large < 1215543671 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you familiar with the linux-tiny tree? < 1215543679 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, never heard of it < 1215543686 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uclinux I know < 1215543726 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a set of patches to the 2.6 kernel which allow one to make 2.6 really, really small. . . < 1215543732 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1215543737 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.2 :: www.regroup-esports.com )" < 1215543739 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do the patches remove then? < 1215543792 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see here. . . < 1215543798 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They allow you to remove sysfs. . . < 1215543829 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They allow you to remove all printk calls (thereby getting rid of all the various error messages in the kernel). . . < 1215543866 0 :tusho_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Except for using OS X as what amounts to a Darwin box with an insanely complex terminal display library. < 1215543867 0 :tusho_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*g* < 1215543875 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They get rid of /proc, should you wish. . . < 1215543881 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1215543890 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, that will break stuff like strace < 1215543897 0 :tusho_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg < 1215543899 0 :tusho_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :removing /proc... < 1215543901 0 :tusho_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BREAKS THINGS < 1215543904 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1215543904 0 :tusho_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has a seizure
< 1215543911 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION joins tusho_
< 1215543916 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No more than using Linux 2.2. < 1215543916 0 :tusho_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I CAN'T BELIEVE IT < 1215543924 0 :tusho_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION rolls around crazily
< 1215543928 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Busybox can handle it, BTW. < 1215543930 0 :tusho_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGG < 1215543932 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION joins tusho_
< 1215543940 0 :tusho_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION joins #tusho_
< 1215543940 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGg < 1215543966 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Getting rid of sysfs breaks a lot of things, too. . . < 1215543993 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't say root=/dev/hda1, because sysfs is what allows the kernel to map that without /dev/ up and running. < 1215544012 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, so what do you say then? < 1215544019 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For /dev/hda1? 0x0301. < 1215544029 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, for /dev/sda2? < 1215544037 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it being SCSI < 1215544042 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe SATA < 1215544048 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0x0802. < 1215544060 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(major and minor of the device node in question) < 1215544072 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Major and minor device numbers there. So 'ls -l' in a working /dev will tell you. < 1215544080 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods
< 1215544170 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1215544174 0 :tusho_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :tusho < 1215544243 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, can you /msg email for ais? < 1215544253 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523@bham.ac.uk < 1215544266 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k thanks < 1215544476 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The various linux-tiny patches are currently being updated so that they can be stuck into the mainline kernel. < 1215544564 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :People using these patches have gotten the kernel down to... 197K. < 1215544565 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-O < 1215544659 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impressive < 1215544762 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1215544830 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-121-181.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1215544838 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm definitely going to have to play around with this. < 1215544865 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. How much space would you say uclibc+busybox would take? < 1215544950 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no clue < 1215544957 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depend on what features? < 1215545050 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wants to see the OS be able to run in situations that DOS would find a bit confining. :p
< 1215545079 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I wonder how small you could get Plan 9. < 1215545085 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With rio and acme, of course. < 1215545093 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plan 9's GUI is one of the nicest things about it. < 1215545109 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1215545196 0 :Slereah_!n=ubuntu@ANantes-252-1-24-63.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1215545828 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1215546026 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1215546123 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is also curious if uclinux would be even smaller
< 1215546148 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION will be pleased if he can get a Unix up and running on an 8086.
< 1215546231 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: busybox is kinda big < 1215546235 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reimplement the stuff yourself! < 1215546242 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah. < 1215546257 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I reimplement stuff myself, then I'll end up with something that's not UNIX. < 1215546258 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1215546269 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I call it... UNIX++" < 1215546276 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1215546342 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Well, okay then < 1215546346 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiny-linux + busybox < 1215546347 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not uclibc. < 1215546351 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's more minimal, I think < 1215546359 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@71.237.179.105 JOIN :#esoteric < 1215546369 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How big is dietlibc? < 1215546375 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think really small. < 1215546413 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, linux 0.1? < 1215546422 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: That's not linux-tiny. < 1215546434 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1215546435 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not < 1215546439 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but should be pretty small < 1215546451 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, also what about newlib? < 1215546461 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It also can't run anything made in the past ever. < 1215546462 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And shrug. < 1215546463 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also won't run on most systems. < 1215546476 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Among other things, Linux 0.1 has a hard-coded keyboard map. . . < 1215546477 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty sure dietlibc is the smallest. < 1215546479 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true :/ < 1215546482 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Swedish keyboard map. < 1215546492 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it doesn't do this newfangled 'IDE' thing, either. < 1215546493 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, oh? that's very useful :) < 1215546504 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Swedish keyboard < 1215546508 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it matches what I got here < 1215546509 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1215546521 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Say, you should make the focus of your kernel the smallest POSIX system evar. < 1215546537 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1215546543 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :busybox isn't POSIX is it? < 1215546554 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was. < 1215546554 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: No, he'd have to reimplement just about everything. < 1215546556 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But still. < 1215546565 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. < 1215546566 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrug* < 1215546566 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well maybe it is. < 1215546581 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure it's shell isn't fully posix compatible < 1215546596 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if I try to make the smallest POSIX system ever, I'm going to have 'fun' in 8086 assembly. < 1215546662 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Sounds good! < 1215546672 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't tell AnMaster though. < 1215546677 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He'll want you to make the smallest POSIX system ever PORTABLE. < 1215546679 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1215546689 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1215546707 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an OS can't be portable on that level < 1215546717 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: He'll have to do just about all of it in assembly. < 1215546724 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For smallness. < 1215546725 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, true I guess < 1215546754 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the linux partition is back on /mnt/linux/ < 1215546760 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I gain access to it? < 1215546761 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what calling convention would be the smallest? I bet passing stuff in registers would be best < 1215546771 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and afk now < 1215546850 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Passing stuff in registers is the standard convention on x86. < 1215546894 0 :RedDak!n=dak@host32-91-dynamic.55-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1215546900 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the 8086 instruction set makes passing stuff in registers the easiest thing to do) < 1215546910 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, well what about cdecl? < 1215546943 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I'm pretty sure linux pass stuff on the stack < 1215546943 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. < 1215546949 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, I was thinking of x86_64. XD < 1215546958 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, and yes I know it is for x86_64 < 1215547005 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, at this point, it almost makes me want to say 'fuck POSIX' and just make a ridiculously small OS. < 1215547019 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With multitasking, of course. < 1215547030 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, and network < 1215547044 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I bother to port uIP. < 1215547044 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ipv6 < 1215547056 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(uIP: a TCP/IP stack in 8k or less) < 1215547071 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ipv6 too? < 1215547081 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IPv6? Fuck no. That's kinda hard to do with the 'ridiculously small' portion. < 1215547100 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, another idea: would memory footprint have to be as small? < 1215547116 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise if it is just disk space... compressing + a loader for that < 1215547137 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Memory footprint would have to be damned small, too. < 1215547137 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: But the POSIX is the fun. < 1215547138 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X11! < 1215547158 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not necessarily the same as on-disk, but dammit, if it can't run on an 8086, I'm not happy. :p < 1215547164 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(kidding. I think.) < 1215547200 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, is X11 required for POSIX really!? < 1215547209 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should do x11 < 1215547212 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm. Getting it to run on an 8086 means that the idea of a driver layer is not strictly required. < 1215547213 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd rock < 1215547226 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BIOS calls are actually useful from 16-bit code, after all. < 1215547258 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, you can thunk yes < 1215547277 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heck you can do that from 32-bit mode too < 1215547286 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nowhere near as easily. < 1215547311 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1215547361 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poppler is worse than sendmail when it comes to security bugs... < 1215547373 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is the pdf library used on linux most time < 1215547419 0 :Hiato!n=Hiato@dsl-245-31-39.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1215547567 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sendmail < 1215547568 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like < 1215547569 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sendspam < 1215547573 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1215547643 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good lord. Now, I'm imagining an OS which actually takes advantage of the x86's segmented architecture. < 1215547649 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I am insane. < 1215547702 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, how would it take advantage of it? < 1215547775 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: As long as it runs x11! < 1215547800 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Each process has 1 or more segments. The kernel stores each process's program counter every time the kernel is entered. . . To task switch, it just jumps into that segment. . . < 1215547819 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: As long as it runs x11! < 1215547904 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, by doing so, it actually gets protected memory from the 286. < 1215547971 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I don't have to worry about malloc. < 1215548019 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, yes, this is ridiculously simple. < 1215548271 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: X11. < 1215548290 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: Not unless you want to write the X11 driver. < 1215548296 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Shut up. :p < 1215548396 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1215548825 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1215549410 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving." < 1215549592 0 :Hiato!n=Hiato@dsl-245-31-39.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1215549657 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who here is using XChat and is willing to answer a quick question? < 1215549756 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not me. < 1215549768 0 :Hiato1!n=Hiato@dsl-245-31-39.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1215549770 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, why thank you Slereah_ < 1215549783 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I have no xchat. < 1215549792 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Naah, no worries :) < 1215549805 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiato: yse? < 1215549807 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*yes < 1215549834 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: how do you set it to automatically go /msg what what password for Freenode? < 1215549852 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiato: check the server settings < 1215549854 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's Server password < 1215549951 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err... right, I can't seem to find the said setting (pardon my ignorance) < 1215549992 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiato: go into the connection list < 1215549993 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :find freenode < 1215549994 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :click edi < 1215549995 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1215549998 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and fill in the password field < 1215550001 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :righty o < 1215550004 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, thanks :) < 1215550034 0 :Hiato1!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1215550046 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Hello, I must be going" < 1215550060 0 :Hiato!n=Hiato@dsl-245-31-39.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1215550070 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, thanks :) < 1215550153 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1215550168 0 :Hiato!n=Hiato@dsl-245-31-39.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1215550842 0 :poiuy_qwert!n=poiuyqwe@bas2-toronto47-1242399021.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1215550887 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1215551720 0 :RedDak!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1215551734 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I got my stuff out of the Linux partition. < 1215551751 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, all there is is to squeeze out the last files from the broken HD. < 1215551754 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then, BAM! < 1215551756 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :POW! < 1215551771 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck you hard drive, you're going to hell. < 1215551825 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Against all laws of physics, not a single piece of information will remain. < 1215551855 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the hard drive emitted EM waves during its life, they will disappear, just like that! < 1215552223 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :going to norway for 2 days cya < 1215552255 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bai < 1215552268 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And remember : Get Inspector Gadget < 1215552296 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"going to norway for 2 days" < 1215552590 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :inspector gadget is in norway? < 1215552599 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: anywhere but sweden, apparently < 1215552600 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1215552612 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Anmaster never saw Inspector Gadget < 1215552613 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sidles to his underground shelter, just in case
< 1215552619 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He doesn't even know what it is D: < 1215552694 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also Knight Rider. < 1215552711 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1215552720 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesn't know what that is
< 1215552725 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DDD: < 1215552741 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come on, David Motherfucking Hasselhoff! < 1215552745 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ! < 1215552766 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You... you do know what Inspector Gadget is, at least, yes? < 1215552781 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mind you, i don't actually watch TV other than when visiting family < 1215552796 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, not even in the last 20 years? < 1215552807 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, since i have small cousins, i do barely know Inspector Gadget < 1215552825 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not like it's a recent thing or anything < 1215552860 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20 years, hm almost < 1215552914 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. < 1215552938 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the matter of the getting-my-last-files-out, I'm still on the letter A. < 1215552945 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in for the whole night it seems < 1215553062 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: doodaloodaloo inspector gadget < 1215553087 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: The French theme song is way awesomer < 1215553092 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shut up. < 1215553119 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has words and everything! < 1215553120 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it has words, at least. < 1215553127 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is possible knight rider was big in norway - there appears to be no norw. wikipedia entry on it < 1215553133 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*was never < 1215553222 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me fill you in then : < 1215553226 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a secret agent < 1215553229 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a talking car < 1215553233 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SOLVING CRIMES < 1215553297 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.theyfightcrime.org/ < 1215553353 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"He's an otherworldly ninja senator from the 'hood. She's a sarcastic snooty bounty hunter from a family of eight older brothers. They fight crime!" < 1215553360 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would vote for a ninja senator. < 1215553404 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's a one-legged bohemian master criminal with nothing left to lose. She's a hard-bitten psychic schoolgirl who dreams of becoming Elvis. They fight crime! < 1215553408 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Win. < 1215553479 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION was going to link to the corresponding tv-tropes trope he recalled, but thinks this may be better
< 1215553565 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah there i found it too: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheyFightCrime < 1215553603 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(usual warnings about tvtropes addictivity apply) < 1215553622 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"He's a giant robot made out of robotic lions!" < 1215553624 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Holy shit < 1215553647 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahahh < 1215553670 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's a lonely arachnophobic senator in a wheelchair. She's a time-travelling green-skinned detective from the wrong side of the tracks. They fight crime! < 1215554254 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"''I Was Kidnapped By Lesbian Pirates From Outer Space'' is a complicated post-feminist statement with shifting grounds of metaphor and symbolism, aiming to deconstruct both the uber-manly hero and the Amazon Brigade. Also, there are lesbian pirates. In outer space. Sometimes they kidnap people." < 1215554308 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also he's a ninja! < 1215554333 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nunchucks noise* < 1215554333 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: Wow. < 1215554365 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much nuns could .. erm .. < 1215554589 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-91-244.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1215554841 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"He's a suicidal drug-addicted vagrant on the hunt for the last specimen of a great and near-mythical creature. She's a tortured cat-loving nun with a flame-thrower. They fight crime!" < 1215554849 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A nun would FIGHT CRIME, oerjan < 1215554966 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but of course. there was an example on the tvtropes page. < 1215555195 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving." < 1215555221 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@c-66-31-43-229.hsd1.ma.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1215555506 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, the speed is picking up < 1215555510 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm up to L < 1215555577 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1215555816 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It are done, yay :D < 1215555894 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A man proposed me the following command to nuke fucking everything : dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/... < 1215555901 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it wise? < 1215556351 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Nuking fucking everything is never wise" < 1215556511 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1215556517 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: Hmm. < 1215556522 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure it's all copied < 1215556546 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As much as I'm going to get out of this. < 1215556598 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: OK. First make sure you have the right /dev/ entry for the HD. < 1215556605 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then $ sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/THEHD < 1215556615 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: But... < 1215556617 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you want to keep it? < 1215556621 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you can leech more some other day < 1215556655 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I leeched everything from /home < 1215556673 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is pretty much all I want out of it < 1215556710 0 :jix!n=jix@host-091-096-149-197.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1215556777 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION turns off every HD
< 1215556911 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The big HD seems to be sda. < 1215556921 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the five partitions, sda1 through 5. < 1215556959 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do I just use sda as the HD name? < 1215557205 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck it, let's go with sda. < 1215557210 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: Yes. That's right. < 1215557220 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prepare for BURN < 1215557228 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'll see you as soon as I reinstall XP. < 1215557235 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: wut < 1215557237 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the HD works, that is. < 1215557237 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to wipe it first < 1215557241 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1215557244 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But after I wipe it < 1215557250 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will reinstall XP. < 1215557252 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: OK. But keep us updated on the wipe < 1215557253 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1215557257 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also. < 1215557260 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not just install jewnix. < 1215557265 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*lewnix < 1215557273 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it is fucking terrible < 1215557287 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: No it's... not? < 1215557293 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES IT IS D: < 1215557300 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: It DID just save all your data. < 1215557330 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, and I had to ask every step of the way < 1215557332 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Problem is < 1215557339 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even for everyday things < 1215557343 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how to use it < 1215557349 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: But with US you have POWER! < 1215557354 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which lunix are you using anyway < 1215557360 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kubuntu < 1215557374 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: Ubuntu's a bit more, uhh, retarded. < 1215557382 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What will I get once it's done? Five empty partition? < 1215557385 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One empty? < 1215557390 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: Who knows?! < 1215557397 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You? < 1215557400 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hoped! < 1215557407 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. I just know that that'll trash it. < 1215557452 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope for one. < 1215557490 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: Anyway, if you don't install Ubuntu at the end of all of this, I'll eat you. For breakfast. < 1215557495 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It shall be painful. < 1215557523 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: I get a new computer in roughly one month. < 1215557543 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not getting involved in all that with that shit < 1215557550 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: And you shall never boot into its windows, ever? First thing being putting an Ubuntu CD in? IF SO, THEN I SALUTE YOU < 1215557552 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IN A SALUTATIONAL WAY < 1215557577 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The new computer will be DUAL BOOTIES < 1215557587 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"CommandQ" < 1215557610 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: Who will get a larger penis^H^H^H^H^Hpartition? < 1215557635 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WINDOWS < 1215557647 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's only fair, since it will be the one to use it < 1215557657 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, with games that don't run at all on Linux. < 1215557684 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: VMWare < 1215557686 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;---------; < 1215557701 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stop inventing names. < 1215557707 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VMWare is not a name < 1215557715 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vmware.com/ < 1215557778 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't know what it is < 1215557811 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: It lets you run windows in linux. And it's not like WINE, because it actually emulates a computer. (But it's not slow.) < 1215557815 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it works perfectly. Always. < 1215557833 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't trust "It always works perfectly" < 1215557835 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The most recent games probably won't run on it because of graphicscardy stuff but you can always boot into windows for those. < 1215557839 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: It actually emulates a whole CPU. < 1215557842 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And all the hardware. < 1215557844 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also heard "You never have to reboot Linux" < 1215557847 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT IS LIES < 1215557848 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's not much place for it to go wrong. < 1215557857 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also. < 1215557860 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trust me tusho < 1215557867 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You only have to reboot linux for kernel upgrades. But it's a lot more fuss if you don't. < 1215557869 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will find a way to make it go wrong. < 1215557886 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: no, I don't think you understand < 1215557896 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it actually builds, in software, a mini-computer < 1215557898 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then installs windows on it < 1215557944 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: However. < 1215557946 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you do make it go wrong. < 1215557951 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They'd love to know about it - their whole business depends on it. < 1215557952 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't it be less efficient than using the actual computer < 1215557957 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And indeed loads of corporations use VMWare a lot. < 1215557977 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: Yes. But most stuff should work on it, just not the most recent intensive games. < 1215557982 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, yes, you still need a dualboot. < 1215557989 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But windows can have a smaller pen- partition < 1215558021 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would I do with a giant partition for Linux? < 1215558072 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: What you would do with the giant partition for Windows! < 1215558084 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Install giant games on it. < 1215558092 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So. Do that. < 1215558130 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also by the way, what would you recommand as a distro < 1215558141 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keeping in mind my savyness. < 1215558164 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ubuntu. < 1215558168 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like Kubuntu, but easier. < 1215558173 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'kay < 1215558305 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda < 1215558305 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dd: writing to `/dev/sda': Input/output error < 1215558305 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :34580841+0 records in < 1215558305 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :34580840+0 records out < 1215558305 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17705390080 bytes (18 GB) copied, 1014.53 seconds, 17.5 MB/s < 1215558307 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1215558333 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: How big is the harddrive? < 1215558354 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :80 gigs. < 1215558360 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: O dear. < 1215558362 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. < 1215558364 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are you wiping it, again? < 1215558381 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because all else have failed. < 1215558397 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: OK. Well. Odd. < 1215558401 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why that would happen. < 1215558480 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying it again. < 1215558513 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: Godspeed. < 1215558525 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A thousand second isn't very speedy. < 1215558545 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: Wait. < 1215558546 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cancel it. < 1215558548 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Ctrl-C) < 1215558555 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1215558562 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: OK: < 1215558599 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: Meh < 1215558603 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just make it go again < 1215558630 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If that fails too, I'll just try the tools on the XP CD to wipe it out. < 1215558638 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If that fails... Well, I dunno. < 1215558661 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone have an irc bot written in an esoteric programming language? < 1215558681 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :poiuy_qwert: yes < 1215558686 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo has a brainfuck+psox one < 1215558691 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1215558691 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Oblig.: PSOX PSOX PSOX PSOX PSOX PSOX PSOX PSOX PSOX PSOX PSOX PSOX PSOX PSOX PSOX PSOX PSOX PSOX PSOX PSOX PSOX PSOX PSOX PSOX PSOX PSOX) < 1215558717 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should finish mine < 1215558810 0 :immibis!n=immibis@125-238-252-128.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1215558861 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION = 100% insane
< 1215558876 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking of an 8086 exokernel. < 1215558884 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: POSIX? < 1215558900 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: What part of '8086 exokernel' says POSIX to you? < 1215558908 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The part saying 'AWESOME' < 1215558914 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The O is in common < 1215558919 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: ? < 1215558922 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1215558922 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1215558951 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, 080 = P D: < 1215558998 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And... 6 = SIX < 1215559000 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DDD: < 1215559104 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DDDD < 1215559238 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1215559288 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. Could I wipe out a hard drive with an electric toothbrush? < 1215559295 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ideas are forming < 1215559304 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got one on my desk < 1215559320 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Take that, hard drive!" < 1215559630 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda < 1215559630 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dd: writing to `/dev/sda': Input/output error < 1215559630 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :34580841+0 records in < 1215559630 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :34580840+0 records out < 1215559630 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17705390080 bytes (18 GB) copied, 998.844 seconds, 17.7 MB/s < 1215559639 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's toothbrush time. < 1215559643 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: There's something bad about those 18 GB! < 1215559663 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try the XP way. < 1215559836 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, seriously, your hard drive is probably in the midst of failure. < 1215560850 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1215560885 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1215561454 0 :puzzlet__!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1215561501 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection