00:00:06 tusho: 'internet' 00:00:22 -!- GreaseMonkey has joined. 00:00:31 i guess i was referring to the nick, dunno. 00:00:36 augur: i could be female 00:00:37 am i? 00:00:59 I DONT KNOW 00:01:02 OMG HAVE I RAPED A GIRL? 00:01:03 ::cries:: 00:01:15 are ya? 12-yr-olds are the best :o 00:01:35 12 year old girls, boo. 00:01:44 12 year old boys, thats where its at 00:01:47 :P 00:01:52 you and your silly funs 00:02:00 I AM AFRAID SO AUGUR 00:02:07 ::silly funs oklofok:: 00:02:26 FUN FOR YOUR LIFE 00:04:05 ::lovelove:: 00:38:13 augur: Only if you're a priest. 00:38:29 (the boy need not be an altar boy, though it is prefered) 00:38:34 oh right 00:38:37 -!- wookie has quit. 00:38:45 but 12 year old boys are still fun to rape over the internets 01:21:31 -!- tusho has quit. 01:40:47 -!- oklofok has quit (Connection timed out). 01:45:32 -!- Slereah__ has joined. 01:48:55 -!- oklopol has joined. 01:52:10 -!- Slereah_ has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). 01:52:30 -!- Slereah_ has joined. 01:52:38 -!- cherez has quit ("Leaving."). 01:57:46 http://flickr.com/photos/psygnisfive/collections/72157606093628410/ 01:57:55 my trip in europe so far :D 02:10:07 -!- Slereah__ has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 02:28:51 Get your ass here you faggot queer 02:41:32 -!- augur has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 03:17:42 -!- Slereah_ has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)). 03:27:21 -!- cherez has joined. 04:15:10 -!- poiuy_qwert has joined. 04:52:59 -!- Sgeo has quit (Connection timed out). 05:37:11 -!- GregorR has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 05:37:38 -!- GregorR has joined. 06:02:20 -!- pikhq has quit ("leaving"). 06:12:11 -!- poiuy_qwert has quit (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 06:12:12 -!- cherez has quit (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 06:12:12 -!- AnMaster has quit (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 06:12:15 -!- moozilla has quit (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 06:12:16 -!- cmeme has quit (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 06:12:16 -!- dbc has quit (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 06:12:16 -!- SimonRC has quit (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 06:12:16 -!- fizzie has quit (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 06:12:16 -!- lifthras1ir has quit (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 06:12:16 -!- shachaf has quit (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 06:12:16 -!- atsampson has quit (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 06:12:16 -!- Dewi has quit (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 06:12:16 -!- Polar has quit (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 06:12:17 -!- Quendus has quit (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 06:12:17 -!- bsmntbombdood has quit (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 06:12:19 -!- Deewiant has quit (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 06:12:19 -!- lament has quit (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 06:12:19 -!- mtve has quit (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 06:12:19 -!- puzzlet_ has quit (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 06:12:20 -!- GregorR has quit (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 06:12:21 -!- oklopol has quit (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 06:12:21 -!- GreaseMonkey has quit (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 06:12:22 -!- sebbu has quit (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 06:12:22 -!- RodgerTheGreat has quit (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 06:18:28 -!- Corun has joined. 06:18:28 -!- GregorR has joined. 06:18:28 -!- cherez has joined. 06:18:28 -!- oklopol has joined. 06:18:28 -!- GreaseMonkey has joined. 06:18:28 -!- AnMaster has joined. 06:18:28 -!- fizzie has joined. 06:18:28 -!- lifthras1ir has joined. 06:18:28 -!- shachaf has joined. 06:18:28 -!- Dewi has joined. 06:18:28 -!- atsampson has joined. 06:18:28 -!- Quendus has joined. 06:18:29 -!- moozilla has joined. 06:18:29 -!- bsmntbombdood has joined. 06:18:29 -!- puzzlet_ has joined. 06:18:29 -!- sebbu has joined. 06:18:29 -!- Polar has joined. 06:18:29 -!- RodgerTheGreat has joined. 06:18:29 -!- Deewiant has joined. 06:18:29 -!- cmeme has joined. 06:18:29 -!- lament has joined. 06:18:29 -!- dbc has joined. 06:18:29 -!- mtve has joined. 06:18:29 -!- SimonRC has joined. 06:19:16 http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=44.932650,+-123.228470&ie=UTF8&ll=44.93315,-123.228471&spn=0.017226,0.025578&t=h&z=15 06:25:39 does your mum live there? 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an instruction to take the difference of two numbers and add that to the distance to the sun in millimeters? 09:41:39 RISC is way saner than CSIC 10:00:27 -!- augur has joined. 10:31:35 -!- atsampson has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)). 10:52:56 -!- atsampson has joined. 11:02:10 -!- jix has joined. 11:13:18 -!- GreaseMonkey has quit ("Remote closed the previous member app"). 11:15:47 -!- Hiato has joined. 11:20:35 -!- sohotidlerchick has changed nick to hotidlerchick. 12:08:37 -!- Hiato has quit ("Leaving."). 12:38:12 -!- augur has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 12:56:18 -!- Slereah_ has joined. 13:07:43 -!- Slereah__ has joined. 13:14:14 -!- oklopol has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 13:14:25 -!- oklopol has joined. 13:24:02 -!- Slereah_ has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 13:29:31 -!- Slereah__ has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 13:38:20 -!- ais523 has joined. 13:53:13 -!- pikhq has joined. 14:07:54 -!- oklopol has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 14:07:57 -!- oklofok has joined. 14:10:33 -!- augur has joined. 14:12:46 hi everyone 14:22:53 or noone 14:23:01 pity 14:23:13 maybe I could just sit here monologuing until someone tells me to stop spamming 14:23:20 -!- Slereah_ has joined. 14:25:19 I had a new idea for a language 14:25:25 I've long liked the spirit behind Java2K 14:25:28 but I don't like the implementation 14:25:44 because you basically just have to repeat your program lots of times to increase the chance that it works 14:25:54 and having one command that always works and tells you if another command did seems like cheating 14:26:14 so I've been pondering the idea of a Funge-like language where all the instructions have a small chance of being NOPs rather than what they normally do 14:26:22 o 14:26:32 I think that the language may end up deterministically Turing-complete 14:26:34 but I'm not sure yet 14:26:41 because things like wrapping will still be reliable 14:27:00 and I was trying to do cat in my head, although I haven't succeded yet 14:27:10 java2k has an instruction like that :o 14:27:22 oklofok: yes, I know, I don't want any instructions like that 14:27:24 i knew it wasn't as great as it sounded. 14:27:40 it should be possible to determine whether instructions were buggy using nothing but buggy instructions 14:27:48 as an example, you can reliably test whether the top of the stack is 0 14:27:56 by using an if at right angles to your current program flow 14:28:10 because that will go up/down according to if the TOS is 0 14:28:21 but if it's buggy, it'll go right instead because that's the way the IP was going beforehan 14:28:25 s/$/d/ 14:28:29 indeed.yep 14:29:35 so you can do that reliably given wrapping 14:32:00 oklo :D 14:32:08 :D 14:33:15 * ais523 deletes http://esolangs.org/wiki/BrainSub 14:33:30 it seems it wasn't intended to be an esolang, and the person who wrote the text didn't post it to Esolang originally 14:33:37 therefore, it was probably a copyvio too 14:33:57 What exactly *was* it? 14:34:12 it was a bit like PEBBLE, I think 14:34:17 but written entirely in asm 14:34:27 intended to be a serious language for teaching purposes, it seems 14:34:29 read the talk page 14:34:33 http://esolangs.org/wiki/Talk:BrainSub 14:34:57 "2- The idea behind BrainSub is to eliminate the "esoteric" label of a Brainfuck derivative." 14:35:20 also, apparently Esolang isn't good enough for the author... 14:35:36 -!- wookie has left (?). 14:38:03 did anyone say anything in the last two minutes, apart from me? 14:38:09 my connection went down for a bit 14:40:09 so 14:40:18 any really interesting and different esolangs you know of ais? 14:40:32 it depends on what you mean by different, here 14:40:34 different from what? 14:40:37 langs in general? 14:40:39 esolangs in general? 14:40:41 usual paradigms? 14:40:43 different as in not your typical esolang 14:40:47 usual paradigms yes. 14:40:52 i like weird paradigms 14:40:54 well, HQ9+ is pretty strange 14:40:57 esoteric paradigms 14:41:03 HS9+ is stupid :P 14:41:09 yep 14:41:17 although it makes a good counterexample for lots of stuf 14:41:19 s/$/f/ 14:41:34 if you've never come across concatenative langs before, look up Underload 14:41:37 that's one of mine 14:41:47 it's /almost/ a mainstream paradigm by now, though 14:43:00 concatenative languages are ancient 14:43:06 and mainstream if you're a nasa engineer :p 14:43:10 really? 14:43:11 or they were 14:43:15 do they use Joy 14:43:18 nasa used to, or still uses, forth 14:43:18 or is there another one by now? 14:43:28 well, forth doesn't really count 14:43:41 ofcourse it does 14:43:44 or so says wiki 14:43:45 :p 14:43:46 it's quite different from the typical eso concatenative language 14:43:55 eso concatenatives, feh. :P 14:44:02 oh dude 14:44:21 it seems that brains might work fundamentally like forth, when it comes to concept manipulation 14:45:23 postscript is supposedly concatenative 14:45:27 I'm not convinced that FOrth is concatenative 14:45:48 its if-then structure is wrong, for instance 14:46:15 concatenative langs work by manipulating code as data on the stack and then running it 14:46:26 /stack-based/ langs are common 14:46:36 but most of them have more conventional control structures 14:46:59 i dont get its if-then structure, to be honest 14:47:04 PostScript looks concatenative to me 14:47:07 though 14:47:15 it is manipulating code on the stack to do conditionals 14:47:16 i wonder 14:47:38 we should do an experiment to see if kids of certain kinds of languages learn certain kinds of programming languages easier than others 14:47:50 e.g. do irish kids learn lisp more easilly than forth? 14:48:14 do japanese kids learn forth more easily that smalltalk? 14:48:15 etc 14:48:33 ah, the issue with Forth is that it doesn't have formalised code quotations 14:48:39 ah 14:48:40 so it doesn't fit my idea of what a concatenative lang is like 14:48:56 16:44… augur: it seems that brains might work fundamentally like forth, when it comes to concept manipulation <<< hmm? 14:49:02 it doesn't have concatenative flow structure, even though it has a stack 14:49:16 just read an article about someone having written some bogus about this 14:49:40 augur: anyway, other unusual paradigms: have you seen SMATINY? 14:49:44 oklofok: some research has suggested that regardless of the languages people, they mentally represent events with the order Actor-Patient-Action 14:49:53 ais523: no, whats smatiny? 14:50:02 http://esolangs.org/wiki/SMATINY 14:50:08 i read an article written by someone who had read that article :P 14:50:17 the one on Language Log? 14:50:25 have no idea. 14:50:34 my http://esolangs.org/wiki/BackFlip has the same paradigm, I think, although BackFlip is two-dimensional 14:50:37 anyway, that sounds very counterintuitive 14:50:37 it probably was 14:50:43 i think you misread the post 14:50:48 perhaps 14:50:58 http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=326 14:51:06 it was during the night, near morning, and i just quickly browsed through 14:51:11 hes talking about how it doesnt reveal anything about language structure but rather about cognitive structure 14:51:22 the newspapers are talking about language structure tho 14:51:27 ah, indeed. 14:51:31 whereas the article is about cognitive structure 14:51:32 and http://esolangs.org/wiki/Hannah has some similarities, but isn't reversible 14:51:50 as does http://esolangs.org/wiki/Black for that matter, which I created trying to make BackFlip TC 14:52:00 well anyway, i doubt that has any truth in it, what the brain sucks most at, is storing info before knowing how it's going to be used 14:52:21 actor patient action does exactly that, makes you remember two objects, and then gives the relation 14:52:34 but i'm no psychologist ofc, just counterintuitive imo. 14:53:41 ill take a look 14:54:10 it doesnt seem counter intuitive to me actually 14:54:26 i mean, think about it, youve got a big semantic jumble of things 14:54:39 ok, pick any one or two and relate them somehow 14:54:45 and then relate that 14:54:47 and so on 14:55:06 once youve gotten the two things, you just look up the relation 14:55:26 tho it might be the case that there is nothing to look it up in, that these ARE the fundamental structures the brain manipulates 14:56:18 perhaps, perhaps. i don't really believe there are any "fundamental structures" like that 14:56:43 there seem to be tho, if this study is correct. 14:57:08 interesting stuff, if it is 14:58:36 so those languages are silly. :P 14:59:22 silly languages, so sad :( 14:59:39 quite 15:00:49 black is "symmetric"? what does that mean? 15:01:19 symmetric pieces of code are equal? 15:01:25 reversible? 15:01:42 augur: err what languages are silly? :D 15:01:59 the ones ais linked me to 15:02:33 -!- Slereah__ has joined. 15:02:57 both seem nice 15:03:29 you know me, im not hugely a fan of unusable languages ;) 15:03:32 ais523, hi 15:03:38 hi AnMaster 15:03:40 ais523, any questions related to ffungi? 15:03:46 not yet 15:03:53 although I haven't yet updated C-INTERCAL for your changes 15:04:50 ais523, as for the warnings? :) 15:05:07 AnMaster: they're functions which aren't static because they're linked against code the compiler doesn't know about 15:05:18 the warnings are mostly legit, just gcc fails to appreciate exactly what is going on 15:05:26 ais523, well then shouldn't they be in the header of the file? 15:05:41 then they'd be visible externally, but I can put them there if you think it's cleaner 15:05:46 hm 15:05:55 it seems wrong to me to put prototypes that are only used by one file in a header 15:06:00 at least, one file visible to the compilation 15:06:02 I guess so 15:06:12 maybe I could put the prototypes in the .c file? 15:06:17 you could 15:06:21 that would shut up the warnings, I think 15:06:42 do you put extern in the file that use those functions? 15:06:50 yes 15:06:56 in the C file? 15:07:08 there isn't a corresponding header for technical reasons which would take a while to explain 15:07:23 one issue is that such stuff can get out of sync and cause bugs that are hard to track down 15:07:39 happened in crossfire for example (I found it using gcc's -combine) 15:08:02 AnMaster: yes, I know, but it would be utterly impractical to try to create a header file that prototyped for both the cfunge end and the C-INTERCAL end 15:08:19 hm 15:08:26 I guess so 15:09:08 ais523, be sure to put in a comment or something to say "if you change these also change..." 15:09:18 maybe a good idea 15:09:28 * ais523 wonders if anyone would dare change them anyway 15:14:01 hm? 15:14:33 AnMaster: how many people in the world do you think are likely to mess around with the internals of fffungi? 15:14:40 or even attempt to do so? 15:14:48 well not me at least 15:14:51 I bet only you 15:14:59 yes, that's what I thought too 15:15:00 but even you could forget, say after a few years 15:15:28 AnMaster: changing the proto of a function that apparently isn't used at all should be a red flag for any programmer 15:16:43 what if it gets used in the future from inside the same file? 15:17:06 an interesting concept 15:17:22 maybe a comment would be worthwhile 15:17:29 especially as there's a struct that has to be the same too 15:17:35 indeed 15:17:47 the struct, what is the name of it? 15:18:35 ick_ipposdeltatype 15:19:22 struct ick_ipposdeltatype 15:19:22 { 15:19:22 long long ix, iy, dx, dy; 15:19:22 }; 15:19:23 hrrm 15:19:31 why long long? 15:19:34 see ya guys 15:20:06 ais523, those are funge coordinates then FUNGEVECTORTYPE would be the type to use 15:20:06 -!- Slereah_ has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 15:21:35 AnMaster: to ensure that it's long enough to fit IPs and deltas even if I switch to 64-bit Funge some day 15:21:35 and because it doesn't matter if it's too long 15:21:35 -!- ais523 has quit (Remote closed the connection). 15:21:51 -!- ais523 has joined. 15:21:55 hm 15:22:18 I have been pondering a 128-bit funge, but it wouldn't be portable 15:22:37 gcc extensions 15:24:34 __int128_t or something like that iirc 15:25:01 well, if they do have a 128-bit type, then int128_t would be a perfectly portable name for it 15:25:16 but presumably they wanted intmax_t to be 64 bit for some reason... 15:26:38 also it would be insanely slow on 32-bit platforms 15:27:10 not really, most platforms should have the instruction set to generalise their arithmetic to any number of bits 15:27:21 it would only take 4 times as long on 32-bit, if I remember correctly 15:27:36 except for things like multiplication where you wouldn't have hardware acceleration 15:27:51 * ais523 is used to having to do arithmetic by hand when programming in INTERCAL, anyway 15:27:58 hah 15:28:27 well due to cache size 32-bit funge is quite a lot faster than 64-bit funge on my 64-bit sempron 15:28:37 cpu[1 x AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 3300+ (AuthenticAMD) @ 1.80GHz w/ 128 KB L2 Cache] 15:28:44 (max speed 2 GHz) 15:29:05 AnMaster: are you planning to enter the ICFP, by the way? 15:29:11 ICFP? 15:29:12 s/,/ contest,/ 15:29:17 http://icfpcontest.org 15:29:20 it starts this evening 15:29:23 it's a programming competition 15:29:38 in what language? 15:29:41 what type of tasks 15:29:43 any lang of your choice 15:29:49 and as for what type of tasks, they've varied a lot 15:30:02 there's a lot of informal rivalry as to which programming language is the best, you see 15:30:10 and the ICFP seems designed as an attempt to settle it 15:30:22 ah, no I don't plan to enter it 15:30:39 pity really, I don't have anyone to team up with so I'll have to try it by myself 15:30:45 not any lang this year 15:31:05 Deewiant: yes, you can submit an executable 15:31:14 also you can bundle an interp with a program 15:31:15 oh, okay 15:31:17 they intend it to be any lang 15:31:23 just they couldn't fit them all on the CD 15:31:29 ah, right 15:31:31 Deewiant: are you entering 15:31:32 that's what that was about then 15:31:37 probably not 15:31:45 I'll take a look at the problems 15:32:00 I doubt I'll bother to solve it but who knows :-) 15:32:27 there's a lot of informal rivalry as to which programming language is the best, you see 15:32:27 and the ICFP seems designed as an attempt to settle it 15:32:31 that is silly 15:32:43 well, yes 15:32:48 but it's an interesting task anyway 15:32:50 some languages are good at some tasks but not at other ones 15:32:51 and so on 15:32:55 again, yes 15:33:00 normally it's biased in favour of functional langs 15:33:04 that's what the F stands for 15:33:29 ais523, if I ever needed to program a telephony switch I would probably use erlang 15:33:35 not really, C++ won a couple. 15:33:45 vinicius: I didn't say their attempt to bias worked 15:33:46 It's just that reality is biased in favour of functional langs. ;) 15:34:18 -!- tusho has joined. 15:34:41 hi ais523 15:34:45 hi tusho 15:34:49 tusho won 15:34:53 i win 15:34:59 by 4 seconds 15:49:49 -!- jix has quit (Nick collision from services.). 15:49:59 -!- jix has joined. 15:59:18 -!- Slereah_ has joined. 16:16:11 tusho: AnMaster: anyway, what do you think of my Funge/Java2K crossover idea? 16:16:24 pretty pointless 16:16:41 well, it's meant as a challenge to code in 16:16:50 certainly it's less usable than ordinary Funge 16:17:53 we already have malbolge for that :-P 16:18:23 Deewiant: well, yes, but having multiple interesting coding challenges is one of the things that draws me to esolangs 16:18:34 I don't think anyone but me's ever used INTERCAL due to its expressiveness, for instance 16:18:43 heh 16:19:33 ais523, hm? 16:19:53 AnMaster: basically a Funge version where commands have a small chance of being NOPs rather than doing what they're meant to do 16:20:08 so combining Java2Ks randomness with Funge to make a lang which is similar to Java2K but more interesting 16:21:05 ais523, is there ever any way to code something that works every time using that? 16:21:10 I think so 16:21:14 but I'm not sure 16:21:18 that's why I find it interesting 16:23:49 -!- Slereah__ has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 16:25:00 -!- Slereah_ has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 16:53:18 -!- hotidlerchick has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 16:53:33 -!- hotidlerchick has joined. 16:56:27 -!- poiuy_qwert has joined. 17:07:59 -!- ijxo has joined. 17:18:46 -!- Hiato has joined. 17:49:33 -!- Sgeo has joined. 17:49:51 No all. 17:49:56 no? 17:50:11 no=hi in Sine 17:59:53 Nu... 17:59:59 hey all 17:59:59 :D 18:05:33 z 18:06:52 -!- ais523 has quit ("brb"). 18:20:08 -!- timotiis has joined. 18:23:10 -!- ais523 has joined. 18:23:14 wb ais523 18:23:17 HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHA 18:23:36 that was quick 18:23:52 you managed to say that before my GUI had got into a sufficient state to view what you said 18:23:58 brilliant 18:26:15 * ais523 loads up the ICFP LiveCD 18:26:25 ready for the start in an hour and a half or so 18:26:37 ICFP? 18:26:50 Sgeo: ICFP contest = a programming competition 18:26:54 I'm looking for teammates 18:27:14 -!- jix has quit ("CommandQ"). 18:27:24 held over the internet, there are generally two contests with identical tasks, one lasting 24 hours, one lasting 72 hours, starting simultaneously 18:27:55 * Sgeo thinks the IRTC results in prettier stuff 18:28:04 IRTC? 18:28:17 The Internet Ray Tracing Competition apparently 18:28:21 so Sgeo doesn't get what the icfp is about at al 18:28:21 l 18:28:25 cool 18:28:26 Internet Ray-Tracing Competition 18:28:34 different nature of tasks, though 18:28:37 I know 18:28:39 programming vs. computer graphics 18:28:39 Still totally different, Sgeo 18:29:07 ais523: so I take it you won't be doing much else while it's on 18:29:18 I know. I'm not allowed to mention a different unrelated competition>? 18:29:23 other than constantly asking #esoteric for programming help? 18:29:27 ais523: syes 18:29:28 *yes 18:29:33 probably not 18:29:42 shame 18:32:06 * ais523 wonders why the code has to run on their servers this year 18:32:19 maybe they're having another AI-for-a-simple-game competition 18:32:22 they like doing those 18:32:53 i'd probably like doing those too 18:33:10 oklofok: maybe you could help? 18:33:46 ais523: I'LL HELP 18:34:05 tusho: actually, you may be able to, depending on the task 18:34:13 ais523: I think you should do X. 18:34:16 And not Y. 18:34:17 Y is wrong. 18:34:17 if it's something where we can just code independently without treading on each other's toes 18:34:26 No. Your system is wrong. Rewrite it. Now. 18:34:28 ais523: i could help, most likely, if i had slept last night. 18:34:32 (2 hours later) Oh look, the deadline just passed. 18:34:53 tusho: well, if you say such things after the first few minutes, I'll ignore them 18:34:56 also trying to get ten thousand polygon zombies to run on pygame is not as easy as you might think. 18:35:11 but feel free to read the problem and submit suggestions as to how I should tackle it 18:35:13 did i say ten thousand? actually going for a hundred thousand 18:35:18 I'll probably ignore those too, but it will make me feel better 18:36:04 the problem is i'm too stubborn to make any real optimizations until i know i don't have any stupid bottlenecks as it it. 18:36:06 *is 18:36:12 and i don't really have any debugging tools 18:36:14 except print 18:36:31 -!- ais523_ has joined. 18:36:59 hi tusho 18:37:11 darn 18:37:14 :P 18:37:21 * ais523_ is on mibbit on Iceweasel on Knoppix on qemu on Ubuntu 18:37:27 trying to see how slow I can get this to go 18:37:32 it's reasonable, actually 18:37:36 ais523_: talk about "colossus on clay feet" 18:37:42 considering that I'm using qemu not kqemu at the moment 18:37:53 and so this is on an entirely software-virtualised system 18:38:20 ais523_: run safari in pearpc in jsmips 18:38:25 and then load mibbit 18:38:30 on top of all that other stuff 18:38:43 the window's tiny, though, I think it's emulating 640 by 480 res, and Mibbit has a lot of stuff around the IRC window itself 18:39:11 * ais523_ wonders why they have Iceweasel on here when they were so short of space 18:39:46 obviously, you have to make a digital rube goldberg machine 18:39:49 that runs 'hello world' 18:40:10 do you know of a hello-world in RUBE? 18:40:18 probably someone's done one already 18:40:21 heh 18:40:52 http://catseye.tc/projects/rube/eg/hello.rub 18:42:17 -!- ais523_ has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client"). 18:42:27 -!- Hiato has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 18:42:58 -!- ais523__ has joined. 18:43:41 ais523_: there? 18:43:46 apparently not 18:43:55 this is from Mibbit under Konqueror 18:44:09 so why they included two web browsers when they needed space for programming language interps I don't know 18:44:15 ais523__: hi 18:44:24 (the interps are more important than the compilers because you can submit an executable) 18:44:27 and hi tusho 18:44:49 anyway, that's enough silly virtualisation for now, I think 18:44:56 -!- ais523__ has quit (Client Quit). 18:56:03 does anyone here know how to artifically limit the number of lines of the screen a Linux terminal uses? 19:00:53 apparently not 19:01:06 never mind, I think I found a different way to work around the problem 19:07:20 -!- vinicius has left (?). 19:27:00 -!- oklofok has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 19:27:02 -!- oklopol has joined. 19:29:16 okokoko 19:30:53 hotidlerchick: ha 19:30:55 you're obviously oklopol 19:30:57 you just proved it 19:32:13 :) 19:32:53 only oklopol can say okokoko? 19:34:11 besides 19:34:17 I think he'd go more like 19:34:18 o 19:34:19 oko 19:34:22 okoko 19:34:26 okokoko 19:34:29