00:00:40 It'll output 12, I believe. 00:00:55 ihope: I mean the prorgam 00:00:57 *program 00:01:39 +++[-....] 00:01:55 Eek. I paradox'd. 00:02:38 Level 7 is hard 00:04:07 i haven't met a nontrivial level yet 00:04:17 but i'm not at the hard ones yet, so shouldn't be surprising 00:05:00 oklopol: I need halp with 7 00:06:27 more weight 00:07:15 oklopol: yes 00:07:18 but I get a pime taradox 00:07:22 because the other makes him too low 00:07:25 to get back to the pod with a jump 00:07:28 and I can't jump off fast enough 00:08:15 i cant get 21 00:10:14 i beat 7! 00:10:29 lol 00:10:46 i'm at 21 too 00:10:53 psygnisfive: didn't you say you've beaten them all? 00:10:59 no. o.o 00:11:14 01:47… oklopol: what lev? 00:11:18 01:47… psygnisfive: all levels 00:11:20 but indeed 00:11:25 you were talking about the timeing 00:11:27 *timing 00:11:35 actually 00:11:37 i just beat 21 00:11:42 it's trivial 00:11:42 how? 00:11:46 errr 00:11:49 i didn't really plan 00:11:50 but 00:12:02 you just go up&right to the button 00:12:17 and another guy is high on the leftmost rising thingie 00:12:29 i can get the flap open 00:12:30 and jumps on the see-saw to whip another one in the air 00:12:45 yeah but i cant get the seesaw to push me high enough 00:12:47 what's hard to do? 00:12:49 oh 00:12:50 well 00:13:10 you need to have the leftmost lift as high as it goes 00:13:14 and jump on the see-saw 00:13:28 and the guy on it will jump about as high as you dropped onto it from 00:14:20 ok 00:15:58 i beat level 8! 00:16:35 Oh, wow. That walkthrough video for level 7 makes it look really difficult. :-) 00:16:47 Haha. 00:16:51 I haven't used the walkthroughs 00:17:16 walkthroughs? 00:17:24 oklopol: click 'walkthrough' 00:18:31 actually, what this game needs is a speed-up key 00:18:50 ironically it's the only button left out 00:19:25 yeah 00:19:26 its so slow 00:20:56 also, about interactivity, you could let the player have as many copies as he likes, and let him choose what player to move, and how much 00:20:58 lvl9 halp 00:21:02 and you could do this as long as you'd like 00:21:04 how do i get to the thing I need 00:21:05 err 00:21:11 i mean, you could do in any order 00:21:15 tusho: fast going there 00:21:18 :\ 00:21:33 you were just doing 19, can the levels be skipped? :P 00:21:38 *9 00:22:19 nope 00:22:19 :( 00:22:52 what I mean is 00:22:55 how do you get to the chip 00:22:57 its too high up 00:23:25 tusho 00:23:28 half the fun is figuring it out 00:23:29 :P 00:23:39 not if you can't 00:23:57 :P 00:24:50 l v L 9 00:24:56 well done, oklo. 00:25:30 i need halp oklopol 00:25:39 i only like figuring things out "from the inside", meaning i don't actually have to react with the world when solving. 00:25:49 tusho: i'll ook 00:25:51 look 00:25:59 yay 22 00:26:19 tusho: there are just two things your first guy can do 00:26:28 can you figure those out? only one is non trivial 00:26:33 psygnisfive: passed or are there? 00:26:38 use the box to go to the button and press it. 00:26:39 passed 00:26:43 tusho: yes 00:26:48 and then? 00:27:04 the next guy jumps to the forwarder and beats the level 00:27:16 you have to *think* two guys at once, even when just moving one 00:27:50 oklopol: i can't get the datachip I need, dude 00:28:05 i love the faux tardis design 00:28:06 :D 00:29:33 tusho: jump there 00:29:51 its too high oklopol 00:29:52 i can't reach it 00:29:58 stand on something 00:29:59 even jumping from a bawx 00:30:03 then 00:30:07 jump from something higher 00:30:15 how do you get a box higher? 00:30:38 -!- GreaseMonkey has joined. 00:30:57 psygnisfive: when you get 22, help me @ it 00:31:06 im done with it 00:31:10 just use lots of guys and be patient 00:31:19 i can't get up if i get down 00:31:31 so atm, i have to figure out how to pass that without going down. 00:31:32 be patient. 00:32:06 oklopol: how do you get a box higher? 00:32:07 how? 00:32:54 aha, you can stand on the bomb 00:33:12 games should tell all this data, i hate not knowing what to do. 00:33:32 tusho: err... lift it? 00:33:36 sheesh 00:33:41 oklopol: even jumping off a lifted box 00:33:43 i can't reach it 00:34:19 the box is on top of a guy 00:34:23 how do you get a guy higher? 00:34:36 -!- calamari has joined. 00:34:45 hi 00:34:46 ah 00:34:53 hi calamari 00:35:11 hello 00:36:01 lvl 22 needs two guys, psygnisfive 00:36:10 and you don't need patience 00:36:18 you need to know you can jump onto the bomb :< 00:36:44 i used like 10 guys just for simplicity 00:36:53 for 22 00:38:31 Agh. 00:38:34 I killed mysef 00:38:50 yay 00:38:53 i got 10 00:38:55 on to 11 00:41:05 uh, which game is this? 00:41:16 also, hi calamari. 00:41:17 @ 25, again, i simply don't know a way to get back up if i fall down, and if i don't, i can't do anything. 00:41:34 http://scarybuggames.com/2008/05/chronotron/ 00:41:39 a trivial time travel game 00:41:41 -!- wigyan has joined. 00:42:03 i need help with level 11, oklopol 00:42:03 :| 00:42:32 uh.. 00:42:37 25 was easy... 00:43:22 psygnisfive: only if you know boxes fall after a few seconds when you stand on the button. 00:43:28 i didn't know that 00:43:36 the puzzles suck bad. 00:43:38 lol 00:43:46 the first thing i did was stand on the button a few seconds. lol 00:44:06 i stand on it until i know what it does 00:44:16 Halp oklopol. 00:44:19 okay 00:44:35 tusho: well, you need to get the block down 00:44:40 ya 00:44:42 did that 00:44:42 errrr 00:44:46 actually not sure if you do 00:44:47 but 00:44:48 the gist is 00:45:00 you lift the elevator up 00:45:08 and jump down, prolly need to have the box 00:45:17 and another guy is on the other side of the see-saw 00:45:23 ah right 00:45:24 and, err, that's it 00:45:55 psygnisfive: anyway, if you happen to stand on the button for more than two seconds, the level is trivial, otherwise it's trivially impossible 00:46:02 either way it sucks ass 00:46:08 yes well it took me five seconds to do :P 00:46:18 me too 00:46:36 once i found out about the boxes 00:47:02 which ar you on? 00:47:32 i did 11 00:48:35 27 now 00:48:41 was looking at 11 00:49:01 im on 27 too 00:49:09 i do it by brute force tho 00:49:10 XD 00:49:19 so it takes a while for me lol 00:50:21 I pime taradox'd 12. 00:50:26 Well, they all got back. 00:50:27 But 00:50:38 brute force? 00:51:00 Gah. 00:51:02 12 is hard. 00:51:04 :( 00:51:05 -!- timotiis_ has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 00:53:07 every level is so fucking trivial :< 00:53:10 yeah, brute force 00:53:14 like ill use lots of guys for now reason 00:54:04 ah. 00:56:03 or ill use a lot of time 00:57:08 i have the same approach 00:57:19 except i tried a different thing first 00:58:40 ? 00:59:17 let's just say stealing is never the answer 01:00:21 plzx halp oklopol 01:00:22 s 01:01:12 damn this game, need to stand still for half a minute just to realize you've been standing in the wrong spot 01:01:23 plz halp oklopol 01:01:33 -!- wigyan has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 01:01:45 tusho: after this lev 01:03:28 27 is annoying 01:03:51 yeah 01:04:03 -!- Slereah2 has joined. 01:06:03 timing is fucking annoying >_< 01:11:46 28 bugs. 01:12:01 28 requires backwards thinking i think 01:14:05 it was trivial once the glitch didn't happen 01:15:45 hmph, i accidentally took another guy in, when i was trying to enter the exit 01:15:55 and the glitch started happening again :) 01:18:08 yay didn't glitch 01:18:10 now how did you pass it? 01:18:24 perhaps it was the way i was doing it 01:18:43 the box, when falling on a door, usually stays in the air 01:18:46 can't be lifted 01:18:56 and waits for the block to pass from under it 01:18:59 then falls down 01:19:08 about every fourth try, it didn't happen 01:19:21 i'm pretty sure nondeterminism is a bug in a game like this 01:19:21 -!- Slereah__ has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 01:19:31 hmm 01:19:36 i havent passed it yet 01:19:36 :P 01:19:37 first "impossible" level 01:19:48 -!- Slereah__ has joined. 01:19:49 wonder if these require some thought 01:19:54 you'd think... 01:20:00 which are you on now? 01:21:44 28 pisses me off because the floor only sometimes catches the block 01:22:17 29 01:22:21 yeah, that's the bug. 01:22:40 29 could easily be the first level of this game 01:22:53 it's so straight-forward i'm not even sure what i did 01:24:40 heh 01:24:51 * tusho wnats cheatkoed 01:28:56 okay, 30 seems to be a bit hard. 01:28:56 -!- Slereah2 has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 01:28:59 tusho: what lev? 01:29:10 dunno 01:29:13 29 is ridiculous 01:29:17 indeed 01:29:30 i cant get past it due to that fucking bug 01:29:40 29? do you mean 28? 01:29:53 yeaqh that 01:29:58 29 is ridiculously simple 01:29:58 :P 01:33:08 okay, 30 is trivial, but it misleads you. 01:34:31 fucking finally 01:34:43 had to use the walkthrough 01:34:43 :( 01:36:15 also, i think the gam engine has trouble with paradoxes 01:36:23 of course it does 01:36:27 it doesn't actually time travel 01:36:30 it just does some sanity checks 01:36:34 'that guy should really be in there by now' 01:36:41 '(skips forward simulation 10 days) bah, he's still not in' 01:36:46 'HAY U GOT PIME TARADOX' 01:40:11 okay, it seems the "impossible" puzzles are hard mainly because they're fucking misleading. 01:40:42 "oh did we forget to mention this thing you've seen 100 times and which kills you, works differently in this level?" 01:44:03 its like that insane modification of super mario brothers 01:44:10 where all the places you need to jump have invisible blocks 01:52:16 -!- tusho has quit. 02:00:36 okay, 32 is genuinely hard. 02:04:27 okay, it was actually simple 02:04:34 but it definitely wasn't trivial 02:20:45 34 was actually quite fun 02:20:59 could even be called a level. 02:26:29 33 was annoying. 02:28:34 what was it? 02:31:17 okay passed the game 02:32:31 a few of the last ones required about a minute of though even after knowing everything about the triggers 02:33:01 but the think/do ratio of that game is so small i wouldn't really recommend it for anything but a monkey 02:33:24 cuz monkeys like doing repetitive things? 02:33:28 not sure what i mean here 02:33:31 care to elaborate? 02:33:56 no 02:34:14 i don't have time for that, it's half past 4 02:34:26 lol 02:35:10 yes, lol 02:35:42 i thought 33 was rather nice and clean 02:36:04 it's like hippity-hop-hoppity 02:36:10 and it's done 02:36:14 hmm 02:36:25 wonder if you could get something to eat at this a.m. 02:36:45 there's a place near here that's supposedly open till 5 02:36:51 it says that on their door 02:37:02 but i've tried 3 times now, and they've always been closed all night 02:37:13 perhaps i should try once more 02:39:37 at least here the fast food places often have open longer during weekends 02:40:08 *are 02:40:13 i think 02:40:50 of course 7/11 is _always_ open, and has some food 02:46:23 "Thank you, come again". 02:57:02 ugh 02:57:07 i wasted so much time on that game 02:57:33 time travel does tend to do that 02:57:59 i literally spent the last 5 or 6 hours on it 02:58:00 x_x 03:02:43 -!- Slereah__ has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 03:07:40 I'm glad I got bored before finishing level 7. :-P 03:08:57 i'm not 03:32:28 -!- poiuy_qwert has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 03:56:37 -!- oerjan has quit ("Good night"). 04:27:54 -!- pikhq has quit ("leaving"). 04:49:03 anyone here? 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15:00:35 he's very protective of me 15:00:40 -!- jix has joined. 15:09:05 -!- Slereah__ has joined. 15:12:45 <3oklopol 15:16:11 -!- Slereah2 has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). 15:19:01 -!- jix has quit ("CommandQ"). 15:24:10 -!- jix has joined. 15:55:30 -!- Slereah2 has joined. 15:57:58 -!- Hiato has joined. 16:01:26 -!- Slereah__ has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). 16:04:45 -!- Hiato has quit ("Leaving."). 16:12:50 -!- tusho has joined. 16:13:19 hi ais523 16:13:21 oh. 16:34:26 Ello. 16:34:32 ﷐ 16:35:03 o 16:35:17 oklopol: how did you survive that 16:35:54 survive WHAT 16:36:28 oklopol: that 16:37:20 WHAT *IS* THAT?!?!?!?!? 16:37:30 can't say i care tho 16:38:52 ﷐ 16:41:13 W-H-A-T?? 16:41:34 * oklopol puts his glasses on 16:57:10 -!- jix has quit ("CommandQ"). 17:04:31 -!- oklopol has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)). 17:05:36 -!- CakeProphet has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 17:07:08 -!- Hiato has joined. 17:07:48 -!- CakeProphet has joined. 17:25:52 you killed oklopol! 17:25:53 :( 17:25:59 oh well 17:26:03 ::pounces oklopolor:: 17:39:02 Furfaaaag 17:54:57 o 17:55:15 oklopol are you a fur? 17:55:17 you should be a fur 17:55:19 right slereah? 17:55:25 :( 17:56:10 what :(? 17:59:46 furs aren't really my thing 18:00:30 and now, I assumed you were talking to me, although perhaps that wasn't the case 18:01:00 hmm hmm 18:06:34 -!- timotiis has joined. 18:09:24 -!- olsner has joined. 18:11:56 -!- oklopolor has changed nick to lilja. 18:30:14 -!- calamari has joined. 18:36:30 -!- ais523 has joined. 18:37:02 hi tusho 18:37:07 oh, hi ais523 18:37:10 odd to see you arrive so late 18:37:12 esp. on sunday 18:37:18 yes, blame the ICFP 18:37:35 for both the fact I'm here late, and the fact I'm here on Sunday 18:42:24 -!- calamari has quit ("Leaving"). 18:44:18 http://www.lix.polytechnique.fr/Labo/Dale.Miller/lolli/lolli_seq.gif This is the logo of a language called 'Lolli'. 18:44:22 That must be intentional. 18:46:03 -!- calamari has joined. 18:46:27 -!- atrapado has joined. 18:55:45 Say, I should get around to properly rewriting that Underload compiler 18:55:47 Shouldn't I? 18:55:50 yep 18:56:04 incidentally, I'm thinking about a new lang which is a cross between Underload and Befunge 18:56:21 although I won't discuss it much further until after the ICFP contest 19:00:02 so ais 19:00:09 no real interesting paradigms huh? :( 19:00:20 you didn't like SMETANA? 19:00:24 sorry, SMATINY? 19:00:28 the improved version 19:00:44 no, it was silly. 19:00:54 smatiny is silly? 19:00:56 :| 19:01:05 sorry. ihope :P 19:01:09 what about Flip? I don't know much about it but it's got a pretty interesting paradigm 19:01:49 pointlessly odd. 19:02:06 i don't think augur actually likes esolangs. 19:02:15 How durst thou disturb my slumber? 19:02:23 I don't think OscarMeyr likes my INTERCAL style either... 19:02:43 ais523: i informed him that too many more PLEASEs would make it not compile 19:02:52 yes, I saw that 19:03:02 tusho: i wasnt asking about esolangs when i asked about interesting paradigms 19:03:15 not that i like these either 19:03:17 augur: guess what, all the new and interesting paradigms are generally esoteric 19:03:21 augur: new paradigms generally end up in esolangs first 19:03:27 sure but these are uninteresting. :P 19:03:31 augur: have you seen J? 19:03:40 i like J actually 19:03:46 that's not very esoteric, and an unusualish paradigm 19:04:00 i like J. :P 19:04:16 also Mathematica takes its paradigm to extreme levels, although other langs use bits of it, I don't really like Mathematica though 19:04:20 -!- calamari has quit ("Leaving"). 19:04:49 j can be a bit hard to read but 19:05:43 -!- Corun has joined. 19:06:04 -!- calamari has joined. 19:13:26 -!- calamari has quit ("Leaving"). 19:18:14 Oh, MacVim is nice. 19:19:29 -!- Slereah2 has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). 19:20:54 -!- Corun has quit ("This computer has gone to sleep"). 19:22:22 ais523: Any snappy name for the UL->C compiler? 19:22:40 not that I can think of right now 19:43:38 -!- Corun has joined. 19:48:45 -!- calamari has joined. 19:55:58 -!- calamari has quit ("Leaving"). 19:59:24 -!- Corun has quit ("This computer has gone to sleep"). 20:04:55 -!- Hiato has quit ("Leaving."). 20:06:57 ais523: Is your ICFP entry open source? 20:06:59 That'd be something. 20:07:09 tusho: it will be after the contest ends 20:07:13 it'd totally change the contest climate if everything was open source 20:07:19