< 1217635240 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HERETIC. YOU WILL BURN IN NULLITY < 1217635247 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, hi oerjan the mathematician < 1217635249 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're discussing nullity. < 1217635255 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is an interesting extension to the reals < 1217635262 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: no it's not :3 < 1217635294 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was that the one that was equal to itself or the one that wasn't? < 1217635296 0 :CakeProphet!n=chatzill@h233.6.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1217635296 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the reals < 1217635306 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Anderson_(computer_scientist)#Transreal_arithmetic < 1217635319 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that anything like hyperreals? < 1217635320 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the one that is equal to itself. < 1217635359 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: real numbers plus... positive infinity, negative infinity, and nullity, I think it is. < 1217635368 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/0 = +infinity, -1/0 = -infinity, 0/0 = nullity. < 1217635391 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, it's the IEEE numbers which aren't < 1217635459 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lololololol < 1217635473 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The report implied that Anderson had discovered the solution to division by zero, rather than simply attempting to formalize it." < 1217635492 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone want to join my religion < 1217635499 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moozilla: what is it? < 1217635510 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we believe that the human race is part of an esoteric programming language created by some higher being < 1217635523 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as an experiment < 1217635523 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that require? < 1217635525 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep" < 1217635531 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like it when people laugh out loud out linguistic out Larry out lol out lemma. < 1217635536 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it requires that you do your part for the experiment < 1217635546 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by doing what you normally would do < 1217635558 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1217635561 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1217635564 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds lame < 1217635568 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1217635570 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is < 1217635572 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just made it up < 1217635589 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't subscribe to any organization that would have someone like me as a member < 1217635598 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1217635615 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow, adu paraphrased groucho marx < 1217635617 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha ha ha ha ha. < 1217635626 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1217635639 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it was mark twain < 1217635641 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o well < 1217635727 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lallallalllalalallallallalalalalllallallalalllallal < 1217635736 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: < 1217635742 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok . . . < 1217635795 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moozilla: we already did that experiment years ago. ftp://ftp.nvg.ntnu.no/pub/frc/39 (note slow) < 1217635801 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IEEE forms a wheel < 1217635821 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and transreal arith. forms a wheel < 1217635833 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres a whole subject called "wheel theory" < 1217635834 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1217635835 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: you've checked the axioms? < 1217635841 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wha? < 1217635843 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or someone did < 1217635853 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1217635859 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its just at the bottom < 1217635865 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are axioms for wheels. i should know as i put them on the wiki page < 1217635872 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: o < 1217635874 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: nice < 1217635875 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1995, i wasn't even born yet < 1217635882 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: for AI wheels? < 1217635892 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: awesome < 1217635896 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carleman_matrix < 1217635898 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are AI wheels? < 1217635910 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://members.aol.com/daharrell/ < 1217635964 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'1995, i wasn't even born yet' < 1217635966 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just born < 1217635967 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1217636001 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: somehow i am not quite prepared to believe you < 1217636002 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, you're young < 1217636023 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then i barely believe tusho < 1217636033 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: 12 < 1217636034 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2008, i wasnt even born yet < 1217636042 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was 13 years old in 95 < 1217636047 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah < 1217636048 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moozilla: ah, a fellow time traveller! < 1217636058 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan you've outed us! < 1217636061 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13 in 20 days, though. < 1217636062 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION dislikes clever young peopole to the < 1217636065 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a boring number, 13. < 1217636076 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION dislikes clever young people to the degree that he is envious of them < 1217636076 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12 is a far more awesome number. it is made of awesome. < 1217636078 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once read a book by someone who lived in 2036 < 1217636093 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: and? < 1217636093 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: I cannot stand people as clever or more clever than me of a similar age < 1217636094 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, but what number system is he using < 1217636099 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dislike clever young people < 1217636101 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's ban tusho! < 1217636103 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be quadrinary < 1217636105 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: yes < 1217636107 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that asshole < 1217636127 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moozilla: oops, better go back and change it < 1217636141 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: too lazy atm, let's just enjoy ourselves < 1217636150 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much I like people depends on how I get on with them < 1217636158 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(deliberate tautology) < 1217636166 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't dislike clever young people since i was one once < 1217636196 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: ever since I've been trying to get access to CERN, which is where he said the beginnings of the time machine were being discovered < 1217636205 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1217636215 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: which book? < 1217636245 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.amazon.com/John-Titor-Time-Travelers-Tale/dp/1591964369 < 1217636252 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no not him again < 1217636277 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't beleive in "jumping" time travel. < 1217636290 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he never jumped < 1217636295 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1217636306 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he just rode a gravity wave around for awhile, no jumping < 1217636327 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like surfing < 1217636329 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, gravity waves don't take you back in time < 1217636331 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only theu time < 1217636350 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then maybe theres a better word for it < 1217636362 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I call it surfing gravity < 1217636368 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :call it what you want < 1217636370 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::rolleyes: < 1217636416 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe other people would call it stabilizing the event horizon of a rotating massive singularity... < 1217636421 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever < 1217636437 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what pisses me off? < 1217636443 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moozilla: what? < 1217636455 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how in most movies/books about time travel they assume you can alter the past < 1217636461 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are we talking about john titor? < 1217636467 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifcally, I can only beleive that you can get back in time if the time machine exists at that time. < 1217636472 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes more sense to me that it would just split off a different timeline < 1217636494 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes most sense to me that the past and future would fit together perfectly < 1217636494 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he didn't use a rotating singularity he's used a rotating cosmic string < 1217636499 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moozilla: you should read John Titor's book, he dispells the granfather paradox < 1217636509 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep" < 1217636522 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll look into it < 1217636522 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moozilla: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OurTimeTravelIsDifferent (warning, addictive website) < 1217636523 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is, you can't get back to before the string starting rotating, or whatever it did < 1217636543 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://qntm.org/?models < 1217636545 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :conversation over < 1217636553 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: alright, but is it possible to travel forward < 1217636555 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :simonrc: ofcourse, but he didn't use a string machine built by humans < 1217636564 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: just a slight understatement in the warning < 1217636569 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he used one discovered in M31 < 1217636579 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moozilla: he basically says that his time machine is a piece of sh*t, so anytime you go back with it, you're not going to your own past, but an alternate past, so you can kill the guy who looks like your grandfather, because he's not < 1217636583 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moozilla: yes, see futurama, S1, E1 < 1217636599 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: that is fine < 1217636603 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: hey this time i actually told what the danger was :D < 1217636621 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tvtropes is basically as addictive as everything2 to me < 1217636634 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that I open like 10 pages in tabs for each one page I read < 1217636640 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then click another one, etc, until I come to a dead end < 1217636641 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :close that tab < 1217636644 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and move onto the first opened tab < 1217636647 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc, ad infinitum < 1217636650 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine a road from NY to Washington DC... < 1217636673 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the road does not "travel" from one place to another, it *extends* from one place to another < 1217636681 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: yup < 1217636695 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: its a cyclic tab machine < 1217636699 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*rimshot* < 1217636704 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was awful < 1217636709 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if it's TC < 1217636709 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1217636723 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :time travel allows hypercomputation. < 1217636723 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm the way I stated it was wrong < 1217636740 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: that may be a good reason to disbeleive in it < 1217636752 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I considered a time travel gate in quantum mechanics, you know. It returns the value that you will put into it. < 1217636753 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go to article 1 -> click click click loads of tabs in the background -> read all of it, click an interesting link on article 1 -> (repeat) -> dead end, no more links. close tab, move onto the next one, repeat until no more tabs (note: this never happens) < 1217636764 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time travel makes the Infinity Machine trivial to implement, really. < 1217636778 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Primer is a good movie and avoids some types of bad time travel: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Primer < 1217636791 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I realized that it could be used to store practically infinite amounts of data, and retrieve arbitrary practically unremarkable amounts of it. < 1217636792 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: modulo reliability < 1217636803 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I later realized it could be used to control the universe. < 1217636811 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didnt like Primer < 1217636826 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: did you watch it on DVD? < 1217636832 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dont remember < 1217636835 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: Ever read the description of the Infinity Machine? < 1217636835 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all i know is, i didnt like it < 1217636838 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: nope. < 1217636853 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/infinity.html < 1217636857 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recommend other people get it on DVD, and watch the confusing bits repeatedly < 1217636867 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then read the explanation threads on the forums < 1217636869 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The description of a machine which can store an infinite amount of data and do computations infinitely fast. < 1217636871 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then watch it some more < 1217636872 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: wow < 1217636880 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you might understand most of it < 1217636881 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didnt find it confusing, simonrc < 1217636884 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just found it boring < 1217636885 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: cool, where can i buy it? < 1217636889 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: can you explain that in more detail? < 1217636890 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: i vaguely recall someone did calculations with faster-than-light particles (tachyons) and QM, and found out the quantum mechanics cancel out the time travel effects - information ends up only going forward, slower than light < 1217636891 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: hm :-S < 1217636896 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: It's hypothetical. < 1217636902 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Take a qubit from the time gate. CNOT it with a target qubit. Put it back in the time gate. < 1217636906 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh :( < 1217636910 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More so than, say, a Turing Machine. < 1217636910 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how does one tell which way the information is going < 1217636922 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is consistent if and only if the target qubit is 0; therefore, it selects the possible quantum states where the target qubit is 0. < 1217636946 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one model of quantum mechanics says that particles travel forward and backward in time constantly < 1217636971 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :antiparticles, for instance, can be see as the normal particles moving backwards through time < 1217636977 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you could control the universe by taking camera input and selecting the possible quantum states where it's a certain image. Of course, this could just control internal error rather than external happenings. < 1217636993 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's easy to make a cellular automaton where things move backwards in time. < 1217636998 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some models of how things like wave function collapse occur involve messenger particles travelling backwards through time < 1217637004 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: a bugger to implement < 1217637006 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was that one time travel movie with the original superman actor? < 1217637006 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i loved the movie primer < 1217637022 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: use Mirek's Cellebration. < 1217637027 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moozilla: the model is unsucky in uncommon ways < 1217637044 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1217637050 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: why doesn't simulating it require a superturing computer? < 1217637050 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i liked the looping thing < 1217637063 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: well i guess it prevents any effects that could be used to send information backwards in practice, like the usual theory for why you cannot use entanglement to send information faster than light < 1217637122 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Author's note: the primer model is that when the time machine turns on, your future self gets out, and in the future, you get in just as you turn the machine off.] < 1217637137 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ok < 1217637139 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: What if you turn it on and don't get in? < 1217637147 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing happens? < 1217637156 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: ah, well the timeline branches < 1217637167 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: Or: What if you turn it on, someone comes out, and then you don't go in? < 1217637171 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh i have this vague idea that maybe the strange properties of quantum mechanics are _because_ particles time travel all the time (but with this kind of censorship rule to cancel out the worst effects) < 1217637174 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pime taradox? < 1217637178 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem with branchin timelines is that you end up with too many Hitler-assassins < 1217637198 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh psygnisfive already mentioned something similar < 1217637230 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Somewhere in Time" < 1217637230 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except i thought maybe the time travel could be the cause of the other weirdness < 1217637236 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every time traveller causes a branch, and each of those will branch a few times before the assassin sets off, so you always end up with more assassins than you have assasins < 1217637238 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gtg < 1217637241 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless there are 0 of them < 1217637241 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1217637302 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1217637305 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have my own pet time travel theory < 1217637317 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know the regular 'you can go back, change something, return and it's all changed?' < 1217637327 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how it requires YOU to have your own personal timeline to experience that happening? < 1217637337 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the idea is simple: everything has an infinite stack of timelines. < 1217637347 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, is this the one where the split timeline has a second you? < 1217637385 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: why doesn't that have the infinite-Hitler-assassins problem? < 1217637399 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: the idea is < 1217637401 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you experience this: < 1217637407 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go into a time machine, change shit, go back, everything's different < 1217637413 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you rewrote time, you'd never go in the time machine! < 1217637420 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you must have your own personal timeline where in the past you went in the time machine < 1217637427 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a similar theory < 1217637428 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my idea is that that timeline then has a timeline < 1217637430 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on to infinity < 1217637435 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and every particle has it < 1217637440 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of every conscience or whateve < 1217637440 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :r < 1217637450 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe there are infinite timelines < 1217637463 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you travel back it must be on a different timeline < 1217637466 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that loop inward on each other like a giant wheel < 1217637476 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however it would be nearly impossible to come back to the same timeline < 1217637486 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moozilla: that's a common theory. < 1217637487 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why we never see time travelers < 1217637490 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's also less interesting than mine < 1217637503 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which allows the typical fiction of omg you killed hitler everything is different < 1217637508 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while still actually being consistent < 1217637514 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is also the theory that says that time travel will keep changing the past until time travel ends up never being invented < 1217637516 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont see why everyone would have to have their own timeline < 1217637518 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moozilla: that requires discrete CTCs, not continuous ones... kinda < 1217637523 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CTC? < 1217637529 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye for today < 1217637537 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1217637551 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, that the time machines jumps from past to future, rather than being a journey that one walks to go into the past < 1217637578 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the former has a point where the time traveller "arrives" from the future < 1217637579 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1217637593 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latter has a continuous stream of air and stuff arriving from the future < 1217637595 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i havent really theorized on HOW time travel would be accomplished < 1217637602 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more on just the nature of time < 1217637618 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of my ideas is that < 1217637622 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I don't beleive in a direction of fundamental causality < 1217637645 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so any model that is time-assymetric is suspicious < 1217637646 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a sort of version of quantum entanglement < 1217637663 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where particles are entangled with particles from a different time < 1217637690 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my understanding of entanglement is cloudy so that might be what it already is < 1217637695 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't transmit information via entanglement surely? < 1217637707 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not intentionally < 1217637732 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in this model all "randomness" is essentially input from a different time < 1217637759 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: a recent Scientific American wrote about a new theory of quantum gravity that worked better precisely by including a direction of causality in the basics < 1217637767 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: because it's reversible. < 1217637808 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it was probably still time-symmetric mathematically < 1217637833 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(since you could just reverse all arrows) < 1217637978 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1217638805 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1217638811 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@cE699BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1217638999 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1217639152 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/aliases.html < 1217639159 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Holy shit... < 1217639273 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So. Very. Evil. < 1217640353 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1217640458 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes to bed. < 1217640525 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash is hairy, why am i not surprised :( < 1217640536 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be nice if bash were finally replaced by something nice < 1217640545 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately the only alternative is Windows PowerShell :) < 1217640745 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bullshit. < 1217640750 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zsh. < 1217640752 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1217640770 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Couldn't you use ash or bsh or csh or dsh or esh or fsh or gsh ot hsh or ish or jsh or ksh or lsh or msh or nsh or osh or psh or qsh or rsh or ssh or tsh or ush or vsh or wsh or xsh or ysh or zsh? < 1217640783 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, using ssh as a shell is probably a bad idea. < 1217640804 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As is using rsh. < 1217640823 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you'll find yourself hating ash and csh. < 1217640843 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i said something nice, not a sh-based shell < 1217640856 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, rsh is also kind of bad. < 1217640867 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine GHCi is not the worst of shells. < 1217640875 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: Zsh isn't sh-based. < 1217640884 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No more than Emacs is Vi-based. :p < 1217640923 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's close enough :) < 1217640928 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should learn emacs. < 1217640941 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only reason I use vi is that I know how it works. < 1217640948 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all these shell have decades of backwards-compatibility cruft in them < 1217640958 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Press i and boom, Notepad! And then you have fancy commands like c5l. < 1217640973 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::wq to save and exit, :q! to exit without saving... < 1217641107 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Z shell has a ridiculous amount of features, BTW... < 1217641116 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of coures < 1217641119 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so does bash < 1217641127 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Because zsh contains many features, the zsh manual has been split into a number of sections:" < 1217641163 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when a program contains a ridiculous amount of features, the features will start interacting in curious and unexpected ways < 1217641168 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like functions and aliases :) < 1217641318 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its emulation of other shells is enabled by runtime configuration options. < 1217641334 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1217641354 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Z shell is basically the Emacs of shells. < 1217641418 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I just realized that I haven't actually designed that artificial intelligence language. I should do so. < 1217641464 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I now further realize that my idea for the language so far has no room for analog signal processing. < 1217641562 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sort of expected emacs to be the emacs of shells < 1217641598 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION rectifies oerjan for using "/me" as a substitute for "I" < 1217641623 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION refuses to be rectified < 1217641644 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION are not amused < 1217641653 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION attempts to make oerjan say something outside of a /me < 1217641675 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION laughs at ihope's pitiful tries < 1217641786 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if there is a way to have his irc client translate i to /me automatically. it would need to do something about verb inflection, also. < 1217641885 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reverses the polarity < 1217641926 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*jumps up and down* < 1217641946 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cackles evilly* < 1217642341 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what irc client? < 1217642351 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fairly sure its simple to do with something like mIRC < 1217642359 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION utilizes irssi < 1217642436 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION would probably not actually endeavor to utilize a solution, if one were to be presented. < 1217642459 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION also is somewhat a fan of Varsuuvius from OOTS < 1217642497 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is usually too lazy to type /me < 1217645042 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You know, Zsh *has an editor*. < 1217645067 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1217645090 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a tetris implementation. < 1217645103 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about an irc client? < 1217645109 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1217645115 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it does have an FTP client. < 1217645145 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does sound ... promising < 1217645154 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And since it has builtin handling of network I/O, one could probably write an IRC client for it trivially. < 1217645713 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to write a Proce-to-electronics compiler. < 1217645815 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it also tends to byte-compile shell functions. < 1217645834 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, you here? < 1217645898 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<01:38 tusho> bye for today < 1217645929 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(now 03:58) < 1217646343 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lametusho < 1217646354 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone here use a mac? or know ruby? < 1217646355 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Memo him. < 1217646655 0 :futilius!n=futilius@adsl-76-215-233-190.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1217646669 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi futilius < 1217646674 0 :futilius!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1217647058 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm vaguely familiar with Ruby < 1217647058 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't use it a lot though < 1217647098 0 :futilius!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that an esoteric satire of perl? < 1217647227 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cakeprophet: PMs. < 1217647241 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ello. < 1217647270 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you familiar with functional programming? I think Unlambda is what introduced me to it. :-) < 1217647331 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :futilius: Ruby is far from esoteric < 1217647445 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RUBE on the other hand < 1217647637 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I disagree. Ruby damned well should be esoteric. < 1217647637 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1217647638 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1217647644 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1217647647 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: RUBE is just plain brilliant, of course. < 1217647652 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know ruby at all btw? < 1217647659 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: Because I don't like it, and what I don't like is esoteric. < 1217647660 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1217647668 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why dont you like it < 1217647680 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honestly, it's not that bad of a language. . . < 1217647690 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i take it you know it then < 1217647695 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wanna work on a project together? < 1217647722 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just don't like its little 'object oriented *everywhere*' shit and its syntax isn't something I'm all to fond of. < 1217647779 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruby is suck. < 1217647782 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :python is suck. < 1217647788 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tcl is win. < 1217647791 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both are good enough, though. < 1217647796 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think tcl is good enough. < 1217647814 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How familiar are you with Tcl? < 1217647818 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not very. < 1217647820 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dislike tcl < 1217647824 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems disjointed < 1217647828 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know that everything is a string in it. < 1217647845 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I especially enjoy doing radical language modification in it. < 1217647849 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a language based on such an idiotic premise can't be very good. < 1217647857 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that, BTW, was the implementation technique for PEBBLE) < 1217647860 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quantum Proce is the future! < 1217647909 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW, typically in Tcl implementations, not everything is a string. . . < 1217647915 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything just has a string representation. < 1217647973 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: pms. < 1217648787 0 :CakeProphet!n=bread@h0.23.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1217649130 0 :futilius!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep" < 1217650286 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night" < 1217652179 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION attempts to find what tusho said about returning to rootnomic < 1217652202 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember one of the conditions was a sane proposal system. < 1217652261 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other... wasn't a justice system, surely. adduser proposals? < 1217652292 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose he's gone with the "long life" approach. And with that, it's bedtime, so good night, ding ding ding, etc. < 1217652346 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Night. < 1217652672 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Archytas' 1/3-tone, minor semitone, minor diatonic semitone, major diatonic semitone, minor whole tone, middle second, major whole tone, septimal whole tone...) < 1217652675 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1217652693 0 :psygnisfive!n=psygnisf@c-71-57-164-119.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1217652768 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1217653184 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just a terrible description of the LotR: "Frodo and friends go on a quest to *find* a magic ring." < 1217653194 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oO where? < 1217653194 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION mutters about bad newspaper reporting. < 1217653211 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reading tvtropes. < 1217653213 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CowboyBebopAtHisComputer < 1217653257 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a bad description < 1217653281 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about "halfing and crew go on epic quest to destroy a mystical ring" < 1217653437 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, that would be accurate. < 1217653449 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except s/halfing/hobbit/ < 1217653450 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1217653461 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is Arda, not D&D. < 1217653508 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=saru@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1217653600 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure they use "halfing" in the LoTR books < 1217653611 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :halfing and hobbit are interchangable afaik < 1217653661 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that I recall. < 1217653672 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though it has been a while since I read LotR. < 1217653676 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same < 1217655724 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:54… ihope: The intervals from C, according to Scala: unison, septimal neutral second, major whole tone, septimal minor third, major third, perfect fourth, septimal tritone, perfect fifth, septimal minor sixth, major sixth, harmonic seventh, classic major seventh, octave. <<< this is just latin for 0-12 < 1217655729 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1217655732 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope isn't here < 1217656009 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1217657060 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome, logs ended! < 1217657075 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have my own theory about time travel too < 1217657079 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's fucking bullcrap < 1217657301 0 :adu!n=ajr@pool-71-163-40-170.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1217657501 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok < 1217657507 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to have your babies < 1217657658 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 < 1217657853 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1217658095 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, do you know any ruby? < 1217658788 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've made a bot in it < 1217658814 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm leaving for 5 days in 3 hours < 1217658829 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if anyone else wants my babies, time is running out. < 1217659272 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh btw, as i like promoting things everyone else hates, i've had this computer about 4 months or something, i don't think vista has crashed *once* so that i'd had to reboot. < 1217659307 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vista <3 < 1217659349 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but oh god this is a crappy system, i just spent ages trying to save a file in adobe reader, the reason i couldn't was that the window limit was already full, so i couldn't open to save window :D < 1217659379 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's no message, window creation just silently errors out :-) < 1217659699 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd understand like a limit of a million windows < 1217659710 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i have only like a hundred open < 1217659728 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :oklopol < 1217661525 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well aren't you a quiet bunch < 1217661763 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1217661769 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am trying to figure out < 1217661773 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how unions could be useful. < 1217661778 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of the C variety) < 1217661875 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...oh lawl... I see. < 1217661951 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol < 1217661953 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where are you going? < 1217662199 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: i'm a scout :-) < 1217662203 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scouting things < 1217662222 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're a scout? < 1217662225 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a boyscout? < 1217662232 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right ya < 1217662373 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1217662394 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll do some going now, although i may still return in a few hours -> < 1217662489 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm... it's kind of lame that C unions require you to point to names. < 1217662495 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isntead of just like < 1217662502 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh unions. < 1217662505 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read onions < 1217662527 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :union {int; char *;} var; < 1217662530 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :var = "lol"; < 1217662535 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought that was some complex C term for some kind of inheritance < 1217662536 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :var = 0; < 1217662538 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1217662538 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, layers and shit < 1217662542 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rofl < 1217662557 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)))))) < 1217662558 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1217662694 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there some way in C to like... write functions for structs that have similar attributes. < 1217662704 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I don't have to, for example, write the same linked list code for like 4 billion different things. < 1217662967 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, i demand photos of you in boyscout uniform < 1217662974 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially if you have to wear really short shorts < 1217663246 0 :kar8nga!n=ctc@m-127.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1217663279 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Unisex." < 1217663999 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1217664000 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1217665288 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol! < 1217665293 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you! short shorts! now! < 1217665580 0 :Marc56435345!n=103435F7@201-212-139-90.cab.prima.net.ar JOIN :#esoteric < 1217665592 0 :Marc56435345!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hola a todos. < 1217665614 0 :Marc56435345!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Soy el bot 45688FDS1-87 < 1217665636 0 :Marc56435345!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CONEXIÓN INICIALIZADA - AÑO 2089 < 1217665653 0 :Marc56435345!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1217665688 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1217665920 0 :futilius!n=futilius@adsl-76-215-233-190.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1217666302 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: yeah it's called use a real language < 1217666333 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rofl, yeah. < 1217666365 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get all this praising c as the portable assembly, it's a retarded language, that's all it is. < 1217666529 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway C has pointers < 1217666542 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's easy to make a generic linked list thingie < 1217666550 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thinguloid in this case ofc < 1217667664 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: were egobot here, i could perhaps give you a 1% chance of getting pics for sparse requests. < 1217667685 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, anyways, bye -> < 1217668362 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I'm assuming he meant like void pointers or something. < 1217670089 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1217670666 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1217671061 0 :moozilla!n=moozilla@207-118-24-247.dyn.centurytel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1217673767 0 :tusho!n=tusho@91.105.96.84 JOIN :#esoteric < 1217676228 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1217678120 0 :Tritonio_!n=tritonio@150.140.226.44 JOIN :#esoteric < 1217678165 0 :Tritonio_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1217678219 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1217679077 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@cE699BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1217679299 0 :MikeRiley!n=mike@12.192.179.31 JOIN :#esoteric < 1217679781 0 :kar8nga!n=ctc@m-167.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1217680181 0 :Dewio!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Dewi < 1217681348 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=king@HSI-KBW-091-089-028-216.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1217681767 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats cool python :) http://paste.pocoo.org/show/81013/ < 1217681844 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1217681847 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolcode is a travesty < 1217681850 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this "lolpython" is a travesty < 1217681856 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and liking it is a travesty < 1217682955 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1217683334 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-091-096-061-182.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1217683492 0 :Corun!n=Corun@halls-129-31-82-181.hor.ic.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1217683850 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1217684030 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep" < 1217684190 0 :Corun!n=Corun@halls-129-31-82-181.hor.ic.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1217684220 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1217685588 0 :MikeRiley!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1217686310 0 :MikeRiley!n=mike@12.192.179.31 JOIN :#esoteric < 1217686550 0 :MikeRiley!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1217686722 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION makes notes of possible domain alts to ephemera.org which is taken: pentagenia.org < 1217686800 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1217686817 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION decides to *not* register it < 1217686835 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i do believe you want to be an eso member < 1217686842 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that there was a threat :) ) < 1217686844 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, haha < 1217686865 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it costs money I would never do it anyway < 1217686883 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyhoo, it's a genus containing one species (pentagenia robusta), which is an extinct type of mayfly < 1217686886 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and mayflies are ephemeral < 1217686888 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure of the English word.... but in Swedish I would say I'm "snÃ¥l" < 1217686901 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in extremely much don't want to waste money < 1217686907 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure of the English word < 1217686912 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: cheap? ;) < 1217686941 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :think Scrooge (spelling?) from that classical story, "A Christmas carol"(?) < 1217686953 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scrooge is the right spelling < 1217686958 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's the right name < 1217686980 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ponders on the opposite of ephemera < 1217687178 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@c-66-31-43-229.hsd1.ma.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1217687207 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :halo pakihq < 1217687229 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving." < 1217687791 0 :ihope!n=ihope@c-71-205-100-59.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1217687864 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halo. < 1217687971 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: what do you think of pentagenia.org as a domain < 1217687979 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just in general domainular terms. < 1217688136 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh. < 1217688142 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could be interesting. < 1217688172 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I wanted ephemera.org but it's taken < 1217688194 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mayflies are ephemerical -> pentagenia robusta is an extinct species of mayfly -> the pentagenia genus contains only that species < 1217688209 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Robusta. < 1217688229 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... is not a very aesthetically pleasing name < 1217688234 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes me think of rust for some reason < 1217688247 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, robusta.org is taken < 1217688353 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww. < 1217688470 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only photographers all died. < 1217688474 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I could have ephemera.org. < 1217688668 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Any related-to-ephemera domain names you can think of? The synonyms are all boring or taken. < 1217690258 0 :kar8nga!n=ctc@k-131.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1217690322 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you write that proposal system, they will die! :-P < 1217690473 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: <.< < 1217690491 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, any progress on your Def-BF implementation < 1217690491 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1217690498 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, or on the bison file? < 1217690572 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :None. < 1217690575 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :None at all. < 1217690581 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well... < 1217690588 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is trying to find a big image of old paper-sorta < 1217690592 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like old maps and similar < 1217690605 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, what do you plan to use it for? < 1217690632 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: for pentagenia.org/whatever, /attic/ will be used to store common images, stylesheets etc < 1217690640 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1217690642 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :going to just /attic/ I have "Here Be Dragons" < 1217690647 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd like to put some old paper behind that < 1217690655 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how is botte going? < 1217690664 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite well, the actual implementation will be trivial < 1217690675 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just the making sure it can handle stuff < 1217690678 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I've mostly got worked out < 1217690723 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blergh this old P3 got larger CPU cache than my modern 64-bit Sempron :( < 1217690732 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(256 kb vs. 128 kb) < 1217690897 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Semprons are notable for having a low amount of cache. :p < 1217690902 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah :( < 1217690915 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah, I found some good old paper < 1217690917 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it doesn't tile < 1217691109 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION steals WordPress's Terms of Service < 1217691134 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: For normish? < 1217691135 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes no sense. < 1217691148 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it needs some sort of Terms of Service. < 1217691161 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes but it's meaningless just to pick one. < 1217691173 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll draft one around the same time as my proposal system, prob'ly. < 1217691177 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. < 1217691192 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION plucks out unimportant bits and ponders things to be added < 1217691192 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Don't be stupid, don't be evil" will probably suffice in the meanterm < 1217691192 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1217691209 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't be stupid, don't be evil, and don't sue us. < 1217691248 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, don't follow the terms of service. < 1217691669 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. It turns out the WordPress Terms of Service just aren't very good for a thing such as Normish. < 1217691680 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zomg rly. :P < 1217691690 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But to be honest I doubt you need one right now, due to the complete lack of people. < 1217691709 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. I might as well be working on something while you're slaving away at that proposal system, though. < 1217691721 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: Write a theme song. < 1217691744 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nooooormish! It's norma-norma-normish! Normish all day, normish all night, amending itself until it's right! Noooooooooooooormishhhhhhhhhh! < 1217691794 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: No? < 1217691851 0 :Hiato!n=Hiato@dsl-245-31-70.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1217691987 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like that recording my friends made for me. < 1217691994 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was them enthusiastically repeating my name. :-D < 1217692215 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A slogan, perhaps. < 1217692313 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The free* website that anyone can edit**. (*Most parts of the website are free to access.) (**Registration required. Some parts of the website may be closed to editing to some users.)" < 1217692430 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: shall I explain the tune of my jingle < 1217692437 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1217692478 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAaaaaauu! Ia nanananana! da da da du, da da da du, da da da da du da da da! Daladaladaldaldaldaldaldda! < 1217692481 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To the above lyrics. < 1217692505 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds Katamari Damacyy. < 1217692551 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: No, more 80s-90s jingle/theme song. < 1217695123 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, when you get an idea is it "I got it!" or "I have it!" that is the correct English exclamation? < 1217695133 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I've got it! < 1217695138 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have got it) < 1217695141 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah... < 1217695142 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, it's both < 1217695142 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1217695145 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1217695146 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahh < 1217696985 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: should we discuss the Terms of Service at all, or shall we just complain about them when the time comes? :-) < 1217696998 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: :D < 1217697029 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: informally, 'Got it' is common < 1217697063 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we should say that by submitting your code, you certify that we may use it unless you state otherwise somehow, and you agree that we may use it. < 1217697111 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: When I write it, it'll involve all your code being public domain < 1217697124 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds good. < 1217697128 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if that's legally impossible, giving everyone the right to do anything with it < 1217697160 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You certify that it's public-domain-etc unless you state otherwise, and you agree that it's public-domain-etc." < 1217697169 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, no. < 1217697176 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1217697179 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't give them a choice < 1217697192 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway 'certify that it's public domain' is more-or-less meaningless < 1217697194 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if they submit their own stuff, they agree that it's public domain no matter what. < 1217697221 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take it there's no law saying that you can't certify something false, then. < 1217697248 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just that it isn't very meaningful < 1217697253 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway public domain is invalid in a lot of places < 1217697254 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll think about it < 1217697277 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forget the certify, then. "You agree that it's public-domain-etc." < 1217697285 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is also pretty meaningless... < 1217697300 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You make it public-domain-etc, if possible"? < 1217697403 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More legalesey: "By submitting content to the Server, you agree that it is in the public domain, or, if this is not legally possible, that anyone may use it for any purpose to the maximum extent that is legally possible." < 1217697419 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's still terrible wording. < 1217697423 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway I'd drop PD entirely < 1217697428 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and use the cc-pd wordin < 1217697428 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g < 1217697527 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1217697624 0 :timotiis!n=timotiis@jfkew.plus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1217698575 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving." < 1217699927 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1217700218 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lost the game < 1217700309 0 :lament!n=lament@S0106000d3a705704.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1217700930 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. I seem to have 1 million dollars. < 1217700931 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who wants it? < 1217701075 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody at all? < 1217701200 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 million dollars and nobody wants it? Is that right? < 1217701253 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: not even you? < 1217701271 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do. < 1217701299 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: Okay. You can have all the 1 million dollars. < 1217701310 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay. < 1217701312 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All I have to do now is find out how to convert Zimbabwean dollars to US dollars... < 1217701313 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1217701348 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who saw that coming < 1217701349 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<.< < 1217701359 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me. :-P < 1217701425 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, I can help you with that < 1217701442 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: Exactly that? < 1217701452 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zimbabwean dollars? If so, you win a cookie. < 1217701457 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: :P < 1217701459 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just scan the front and the back of your ID cards and send the scans to me < 1217701460 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1217701466 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1217701482 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1217701500 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, you have... what, ZWD 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000--no, I figured it might be a much less valuable currency also called a dollar. < 1217701501 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also your bank details < 1217701509 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and for any uncultured people who don't know anything about the world and don't need up with the news, USD$1 = Z$1,000,000 < 1217701527 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, ouch that is bad inflation < 1217701528 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :approx < 1217701537 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: est. 9,000,000% or so < 1217701538 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe < 1217701551 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, per year? < 1217701555 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: not sure < 1217701559 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they print Z$1bn notes, though < 1217701569 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't matter; the currency will be worthless eventually. < 1217701584 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should try to make it go stable and then redefine in a new currency < 1217701590 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you have sane values < 1217701606 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: zimbabwean is run by a dictator < 1217701608 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty much. < 1217701612 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*zimbabwe < 1217701625 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mugabe iirc? < 1217701629 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1217701638 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow I don't think a racist dictator who uses violence and plain ignoring of election results to stay in power cares much about the currency < 1217701700 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a video clip of a guy with a bucket of pennies, offering people to take some. < 1217701738 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION notes another domain: percolation.org < 1217701747 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I like percolation.org more than pentagenia.org < 1217701759 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's also more unique than ephemera i think < 1217701773 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first result = wikipedia article < 1217701774 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :always a good sign < 1217701779 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comments? < 1217701821 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1217701838 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Type it into a domain name service and watch it get registered before your very eyes. < 1217701879 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: That's money. I want to make sure first. :P < 1217701885 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving." < 1217701917 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tests < 1217701929 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1217703789 0 :asiekierka!n=asiekier@user-89-108-237-251.mobile.playmobile.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1217703799 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :helo < 1217703806 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi asiekierka < 1217704362 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi asiekierka < 1217704448 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :â„¢ < 1217704504 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tushooo < 1217704683 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfiveeeeeeeeeeeeeee < 1217704717 0 :kar8nga!n=ctc@j-175.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1217704778 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION actually managed to go too far in a fractal program < 1217704787 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, you know ruby right? < 1217704792 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course < 1217704799 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wanna work on a project together? < 1217704828 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is it? < 1217704842 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pms < 1217706135 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pre-menstural syndrome? < 1217706148 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or plural of PM? < 1217706200 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :latter < 1217706204 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :former < 1217706209 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho's a girl, you know. < 1217706214 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shut up psygnisfive < 1217706220 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't funny the first time, it still isn't funny < 1217706223 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he'll be a woman soon, and PMS will be a rather important issue < 1217706234 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, your birthday is the 22 right? < 1217706238 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: just shut the fuck up. and yes. < 1217706244 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. < 1217706288 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what evidence psygnisfive has for that claim. < 1217706320 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what evidence that tusho is a girl? < 1217706326 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1217706339 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: he's just doing it to annoy me. < 1217706340 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ignore him. < 1217706344 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :firstly, none, its just humorous remarks based on his appearance and voice < 1217706352 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :secondly, by. :D < 1217706356 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1217706360 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: humorous to one person - you < 1217706396 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't know each other IRL do you? < 1217706410 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :were lovers < 1217706412 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1217706430 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: no. < 1217706453 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1217706755 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pentagenia.org, percolation.org... /me continues considering alternatives to ephemera.org < 1217706766 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Hmm. Roughly (exactly?) the same length and starting with p.) < 1217706769 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to create a NOISC < 1217706774 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Ex-Chat" < 1217706775 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Negative One Instruction Set Computer < 1217706779 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1217706785 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will make it as such < 1217706803 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: when you look at programs, do they eat the screen space around them? < 1217706807 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they run in negative time? < 1217706811 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will explain < 1217706813 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is... < 1217706814 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd love to have programs finish running before I start them < 1217706823 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One instruction that sure as heck doesn't exist in the language: a form of finishing the program < 1217706831 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So we dont know any instructions < 1217706834 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we only know what isnt < 1217706851 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who'll now make an app for it? < 1217706877 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You use any instructions < 1217706883 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except a form of finishing the program < 1217706921 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1217706928 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's actually infinite instructions.. < 1217706944 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway here's my program < 1217706945 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HW < 1217706947 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, what language is it? < 1217706952 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"NOISC" < 1217706953 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the "hello world then halt" instruction < 1217706962 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Negative One Instruction Set Computer < 1217706971 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1217706973 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds fun < 1217706974 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's actually infinite instructions < 1217706976 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We only know what command isn't surely there < 1217706980 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he just specified one instruction that isnt there < 1217706980 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, tusho... < 1217706983 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and says that every other will work. < 1217706991 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said "form of finishing a program" is banned < 1217706995 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANYTHING counts < 1217706997 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: no, you said one instruction was banned < 1217706999 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even crashes/halts. < 1217707003 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my instruction is "hello world & halt" < 1217707005 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not "halt" < 1217707009 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any form of finishing the program < 1217707020 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you can't combine instructions < 1217707020 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it's even less like a -1 instruction set computer < 1217707024 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can only ban one instruction. < 1217707029 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not one bit of functionality. < 1217707035 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-1 instruction set computer. Haha. < 1217707045 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahaha. < 1217707048 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahahahahaahahahaha. < 1217707053 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Muahaahahaha! < 1217707070 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What. < 1217707096 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said it's an negative one instruction set computer. See? I say the set is "anything with a halt/crash/finishing the program" < 1217707117 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it's a negative infinity instruction set computer. < 1217707122 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are infinite instructions which can halt. < 1217707127 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also infinite "other instructions". < 1217707132 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's -inf+inf instruction set computer. < 1217707149 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's not complicate it too much < 1217707151 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PLEASE. < 1217707161 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just call it NOISC and that's all. < 1217707201 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1217707204 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not very interesting. < 1217707210 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But NOISC sounds cool < 1217707221 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's "EVERYTHING IN THE WORLD, apart from everything that halts the program" < 1217707226 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not negative instructions, it's just silly. < 1217707251 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1217707263 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it'll be -I+IISC < 1217707276 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or EITW_afethtp < 1217707347 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's not implementable, usable, interesting, or hard, or anything really < 1217707372 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about a IIC < 1217707376 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Infinite Instruction CPU < 1217707408 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1217707408 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of < 1217707409 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1217707413 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant, or. < 1217707419 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OR IIuHC < 1217707426 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Infinite Instruction un-Haltable CPU < 1217707496 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1217709736 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1217710006 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :factor love [ honk ] when "http://vjn.cc/x" logs >>url | #esoteric: measured on an entirely different scale of insanity | This channel is publicly lagged. | Rules: 1. Rule 2 is false. 2. If Rule 1 is true, Rule 3 is false. 3. If i'm false, rule 2 is false too. < 1217710875 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assume rule 1 is true. This means rule 2 is false, meaning Rules 1 and 3 are both true. < 1217710914 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :factor love [ honk ] when "http://vjn.cc/x" logs >>url | #esoteric: measured on an entirely different scale of insanity | This channel is publicly lagged. | Rules: 1. Every rule but this one is true. 2. I'm false, while rule 1 is true < 1217710933 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assume rule 1 is false. This means rule 2 is true, but we already knew that. If rule 3 is false, it's false but 2 is true; if it's true, no consequence. < 1217710965 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now that's inconsistent. < 1217710971 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka < 1217710973 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not this again < 1217710983 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the second time you've made stupid "self-contradicting" rulesets < 1217710987 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and spammed the channel with them < 1217711010 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :factor love [ honk ] when "http://vjn.cc/x" logs >>url | #esoteric: measured on an entirely different scale of insanity | This channel is publicly lagged. | Rules: 1. Tusho is always right. 2. If tusho is right, Rule 1 is false. < 1217711017 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No asiekierka. < 1217711018 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :factor love [ honk ] when "http://vjn.cc/x" logs >>url | #esoteric: measured on an entirely different scale of insanity | This channel is publicly lagged. < 1217711019 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stop. < 1217711022 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks. < 1217711023 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1217711038 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :factor love [ honk ] when "http://vjn.cc/x" logs >>url | #esoteric: measured on an entirely different scale of insanity | This channel is publicly la--you mean SPAMMED. < 1217711061 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :factor love [ honk ] when "http://vjn.cc/x" logs >>url | #esoteric: measured on an entirely different scale of insanity | This topic is publicly changed by asiekierka, constantly. < 1217711065 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :factor love [ honk ] when "http://vjn.cc/x" logs >>url | #esoteric: measured on an entirely different scale of insanity | This topic is publicly changed by asiekierka, constantly. < 1217711081 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :factor love [ honk ] when "http://vjn.cc/x" logs >>url | #esoteric: measured on an entirely different scale of insanity | This topic is publicly cha--you mean SPAMMED by asiekierka, constantly. < 1217711202 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1217711392 0 :kar8nga!n=ctc@m-230.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1217711969 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got nfs working \o/ < 1217712367 0 :Tritonio_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope < 1217712807 0 :Tritonio_!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :factor love [ honk ] when "http://vjn.cc/x" logs >>url | #esoteric: measured on an entirely different scale of insanity. | This topic is publicly cha--you mean SPAMMED by asiekierka, constantly. < 1217712818 0 :Tritonio_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops. i didn't knew I could change it... < 1217712925 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :HTTP://VJN.CC/X oops. i didn't knew I could change it... < 1217712934 0 :Tritonio_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1217713007 0 :Corun!n=Corun@halls-129-31-82-181.hor.ic.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1217713528 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's the deal: change the topic to the line your client outputs to tell you i've changed the topic < 1217713530 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :http://vjn.cc/x < 1217713603 0 :Tritonio_!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :* tusho has changed the topic to: http://vjn.cc/x < 1217713619 0 :Tritonio_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you need the asterisc too? < 1217713627 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1217713632 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Topic changed to "* tusho has changed the topic to: http://vjn.cc/x" by Tritonio_. < 1217713635 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :"-!- Tritonio_ changed the topic of #esoteric to: * tusho has changed the topic to: http://vjn.cc/x" < 1217713636 0 :Tritonio_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the timestamp which i ignored? < 1217713638 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1217713641 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'sok SimonRC < 1217713646 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tritonio_: don't put in timestamps < 1217713646 0 :Tritonio_!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :* SimonRC has changed the topic to: "-!- Tritonio_ changed the topic of #esoteric to: * tusho has changed the topic to: http://vjn.cc/x" < 1217713661 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Topic changed to "* SimonRC has changed the topic to: "-!- Tritonio_ changed the topic of #esoteric to: * tusho has changed the topic to: http://vjn.cc/x"" by Tritonio_. < 1217713735 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1217713774 0 :Tritonio_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should do a poll to see where we come from... Something like that (put website name here, the default is frap) map that used to be... < 1217713791 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa ... symbolics.com was the first domain name < 1217713793 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is probably still about < 1217713794 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, the lisp machine symbolics < 1217713796 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it still exists < 1217713804 0 :Tritonio_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho, ?????????????????? < 1217713811 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tritonio_: what < 1217713840 0 :Tritonio_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what lisp machine symbolics??? :-D < 1217713848 0 :Tritonio_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooooo < 1217713850 0 :Tritonio_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1217713855 0 :Tritonio_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :missed a line.... ;-) < 1217713872 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1217714269 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ihope: Okay. You can have all the 1 million dollars. < 1217714279 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1217714301 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you _are_ aware that they stripped 10 digits off Z$ just yesterday? < 1217714321 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that could be more expensive than you thought < 1217714330 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh dear < 1217714345 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i wasn't aware, no < 1217714369 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric : tusho has changed the topic to ``Topic changed to "* SimonRC has changed the topic to: "-!- Tritonio_ changed the topic of #esoteric to: * tusho has changed the topic to: http://vjn.cc/x"" by Tritonio_.'' < 1217714386 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :=-= tusho has changed the topic to ``Topic changed to "* SimonRC has changed the topic to: "-!- Tritonio_ changed the topic of #esoteric to: * tusho has changed the topic to: http://vjn.cc/x"" by Tritonio_.'' < 1217714395 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh 100 million wasn't enough to buy bread, last i recall < 1217714395 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so how much do I owe ihope < 1217714401 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1217714478 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :google doesn't seem to do ZWD < 1217714503 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now, 10 Z$ still isn't enough to buy bread i assume < 1217714517 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er wait < 1217714521 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :100 billion < 1217714561 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1217714563 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so it's probably like £10 < 1217714574 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait < 1217714577 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :much less < 1217714581 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1217714609 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dudes, let's go here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bouvet_Island < 1217714611 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1217714737 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :official rate 7.58 on Aug 1 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zimbabwean_dollar#Third_Dollar_2) < 1217714762 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. err. < 1217714764 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's quite a lot then < 1217714792 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 1000000 Z$ probably was then about 131000 USD < 1217714802 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck. < 1217714806 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the _real_ rate is higher < 1217714848 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :61 it says < 1217714852 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(today) < 1217714881 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16393 USD < 1217715033 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bouvet island is norwegian btw < 1217715068 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would just be the greatest place to have a domain < 1217715084 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why doesn't it use .no anyway? < 1217715134 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beats me. it's so remote even norwegians rarely think about it :D < 1217715134 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should establish "esoterica" on bouvet island < 1217715145 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and claim independence from norway < 1217715150 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and take over the domain < 1217715161 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ummm try and survive on the most remote island in the world while freezing to death < 1217715163 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then die! < 1217715173 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a plan to me < 1217715405 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's something relevant: http://www.norid.no/domenenavnbaser/bv-sj.html < 1217715457 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably it has something to do with its being a territory and not a part of the kingdom proper. < 1217715483 0 :tritonio__!n=tritonio@150.140.226.44 JOIN :#esoteric < 1217715485 0 :Tritonio_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1217715487 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1217715604 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely setting up a mad scientist base out there is more fun? < 1217715615 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: we could do that before dying < 1217715671 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mad scientists could even do it afterwards < 1217715684 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brains... < 1217715717 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although there may be a shortage of (human) brains on the island < 1217715751 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all one needs to do that is a plan to take over the world and a large amount of money < 1217715800 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :urghhh < 1217715803 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid Agora. < 1217715809 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thinking speech acts have truth values < 1217715833 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :explain? < 1217715837 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even michael norrish posted to say that they're all wrong < 1217715850 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: they are stating that actions like < 1217715853 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I transfer X to Y" < 1217715856 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have defined truth values < 1217715862 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is relvant because until recently there was a rule stating < 1217715869 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that you can't make a statement that you don't believe to be true to a public forum < 1217715879 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is outrageous - it means that failing actions are illegal < 1217715893 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i've just been decided GUILTY for a failing action < 1217715913 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that rule was repealed, but CFJs apply to when they were called < 1217715918 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what tense did you say it in? < 1217715944 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: it was "I register" (long story) < 1217715955 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1217715962 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1217715971 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan played Agora, maybe he can share in my outrage < 1217716008 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to remember what that is called < 1217716030 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH!!!!!!!!!!!! does this help? < 1217716039 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that tense/mood/case doesn't have a name; one only encounters it in role-playing and the like, usually < 1217716049 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: depends, was it sincere < 1217716055 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1217716068 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: then no < 1217716073 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww < 1217716155 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: i vaguely recall having heard a name. but not what it was. :D < 1217716197 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it was in agora < 1217716198 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION just asked elsenet < 1217716243 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, maybe it was just "speech acts" < 1217716270 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: do you agree that they don't have truth values? < 1217716278 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that being punished for a failing action is redonkulous < 1217716321 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wp leads on from "speech acts" to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illocutionary_act < 1217716505 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Performative_utterance which in fact discusses this true/false question! < 1217716540 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :other things that were suggested elsenet: present, Narrative tense, roleplayative < 1217716549 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :handy < 1217716583 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if oerjan is still subscribed to the agora lists < 1217716591 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if -anyone- has been subscribed since 1993 continuously < 1217716631 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm technically subscribed, but only the backup lists are set to deliver < 1217716657 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1217716662 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the backups? < 1217716684 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just for the occasional nostalgic reminder i guess < 1217716697 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the backups were used a few months ago < 1217716697 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1217716708 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1217716728 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"backups"? < 1217716786 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: agora's lists go down every now and then < 1217716792 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are two extra lists that are used in that case < 1217716901 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1217716907 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: from quickly browsing that last wikipedia article it is clear that philosophers disagree on whether such statements have truth values or not < 1217716929 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh. < 1217716937 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i definitely believe they don't < 1217716943 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :either way, it should be specialcased < 1217716951 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that failing actions aren't illegal < 1217716957 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the truth rule is gone now anyway so < 1217717269 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving." < 1217717436 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Least_valued_currency_unit the vietnamese dong is probably now the lowest value currency < 1217717534 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: why, are they really s*hot* < 1217717557 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1217717576 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a crude joke on the name of the currency < 1217717582 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah < 1217717585 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and s*hot* was s*shot*, sans redundancy < 1217717656 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, "In Vietnamese, dong literally means copper" < 1217717758 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep" < 1217717802 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: those vietnamese sure have weird bodies < 1217717862 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Since 2003, Vietnam has replaced its cotton banknotes with plastic polymer banknotes, which it claims will save money[6]. Many newspapers in the country criticized these changes, citing mistakes in printing and alleging that the son of the governor of the State Bank of Vietnam benefited from printing contracts[6]. The government clamped down on these criticisms by banning two newspapers from publishing for a month and considering other sanctions on < 1217717888 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on... < 1217717917 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1217717939 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just found the last sentence .. fueled my prejudices :D < 1217717946 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it ended with "on" < 1217717950 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ring other sanctions on" < 1217717953 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1217717963 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. on other newspapers." < 1217718008 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn irc giving no cutoff warning :( < 1217718653 0 :ErkiDerLoony!n=edgar@e179060040.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1217718662 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Told ya. < 1217718702 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when? < 1217718725 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: That was for ErkiDerLoony, actually. < 1217718736 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who has come to us courtesy of ##brainfuck. < 1217718755 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Population Gregor, ErkiDerLoony, Chanserv, and I. < 1217718800 0 :ErkiDerLoony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah well, I just found the wiki article about brainfuck. And tried it. :) < 1217718810 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1217718814 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun stuff. < 1217718824 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That, BTW, is how a lot of us started on esoteric languages. < 1217718825 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(most?) < 1217718864 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still remember the NewScientist side-box that mentionned BF < 1217718872 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'twas the only one I could recall the name of < 1217718936 0 :ErkiDerLoony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: So you started with BF. What are you doing today? < 1217718951 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just got done watching a movie... < 1217718957 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ATM, I'm just sitting on IRC. < 1217718978 0 :ErkiDerLoony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1217718986 0 :ErkiDerLoony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm playing with my new KDE 4.1. < 1217718990 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1217719006 0 :ErkiDerLoony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm going to watch some episode of Knight Rider right away. < 1217719013 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have the hard drive space for that yet. < 1217719019 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still waiting on 4 100G drives. < 1217719078 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ErkiDerLoony < 1217719082 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can never leave now < 1217719127 0 :ErkiDerLoony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean this channel or programming in esoteric languages? < 1217719134 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both. < 1217719136 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both < 1217719144 0 :ErkiDerLoony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1217719208 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can "svn co", but you can never "svn leave" < 1217719215 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also we would say you are now officially mad, except your nick indicates you already know < 1217719229 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: svn? < 1217719232 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how primitive. < 1217719239 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Git. < 1217719245 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can "git clone", but you can never "rm -r". < 1217719258 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SVN is at least a bit like having discovered fire... < 1217719258 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: no need to be rude < 1217719267 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that was a joke right < 1217719269 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ErkiDerLoony: not related to "Mad Eric", the guiness world record holder for most stuff in pockets, are you? < 1217719291 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: please say that was a joke? < 1217719293 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: IMPOSSIBLE < 1217719294 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Primitive, but a hell of a lot better than those CVS or RCS tribes. < 1217719298 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phew. < 1217719298 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1217719305 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for those tribes: the secret is to bang the rocks together, guys.) < 1217719312 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CVS = pain < 1217719316 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from my experience < 1217719317 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep" < 1217719320 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I see your hhgttg quote. < 1217719322 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see it done good. < 1217719328 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, real men use SCCS . < 1217719330 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ed. < 1217719351 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: :) < 1217719368 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, ed is a bit too non-unixy. < 1217719374 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even 'awk' is pushing it. < 1217719383 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ed is non-unixy? < 1217719388 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'sed' and 'cat' are really the only "unixy" manipulation tools. < 1217719400 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because they operate as command-line based pipes which work on tiny tiny languages < 1217719403 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(cat's language is the identity function) < 1217719419 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cat*? < 1217719421 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Psssh. < 1217719428 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: actually i'm being serious here < 1217719435 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you're concatenating stuff, cat is overdoing it. < 1217719436 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously the unix philosophy doesn't work in its pure form < 1217719451 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because 'sed' and 'cat' are basically the unixy text manipulation tools < 1217719458 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<.bashrc < 1217719460 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, of course, editing with just them would be hell < 1217719479 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: echo > < 1217719489 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though, to be honest, <.zshrc would be more *appropriate*. < 1217719509 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat, echo, sed: the UNIX suite of text manipulation tools < 1217719511 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also known as "hell". < 1217719519 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use Zsh. "<.zshrc" actually outputs .zshrc. Paginated. < 1217719584 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Which happens to be un-unixy. < 1217719591 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What i'm trying to say is that the unix philosophy is nice but it has major flaws. < 1217719612 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A mix of classic mac os / plan 9 / unix would probably not be such a bad OS. < 1217719622 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OS X is probably the closest operating system to that that you can use practically today < 1217719625 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusho: The Z shell is, I think, just calling $PAGER with stdin. < 1217719647 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Granted, the Z shell is otherwise completely un-Unixy. < 1217719662 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it is an editor. And an FTP client. And Tetris.) < 1217719685 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have both emacs, z shell and firefox installed here. < 1217719689 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also qemu with loads of OS'. < 1217719693 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a lot of operating systems on here ;) < 1217719731 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1217720270 0 :ErkiDerLoony!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1217720393 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he left! < 1217720649 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1217720792 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reads The Effects of Moore's Law and Slacking on Large Computations http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/astro-ph/pdf/9912/9912202v1.pdf < 1217720809 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :simonrc: summarize? < 1217720845 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes you get work done faster by waiting for a better computer before you start work < 1217721141 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye for today < 1217721146 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1217721283 0 :Corun!n=Corun@halls-129-31-82-181.hor.ic.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric