00:00:00 (a*phi + b)^2 = a*phi^2 + 2*a*b*phi + b^2 = a*(phi+1) + 2*a*b*phi + b^2 = (2*a*b + a)*phi + b^2 + a. 00:01:03 i wont be reading the text, tusho, i dont care about it. :P 00:01:06 it doesnt look interesting to me 00:01:31 LinuS: don't take it personally. psygnisfive is always like this 00:01:59 if he took it personally he'd be an idiot. 00:02:16 i have my tastes, you have yours, he his, etc. it'd be silly to let taste be a serious thing 00:02:23 So double(a,b) = (a*(2b + 1), a + b^2). And, since (a*phi + b)*phi = a*phi^2 + b*phi = (a + b)*phi + a, inc(a,b) = (a+b,a). 00:02:36 double and inc together are how you get at higher Fibonacci numbers. 00:02:48 Now I can look at the AI box. 00:02:51 regarding the AIBox experiment: wtf? are you serious? 00:05:25 psygnisfive: Considering that he's pretty prominent and it was run twice and reported independently, and has been commented on extensively elsewhere ... yes. 00:05:40 no i mean i get that it is literally serious 00:05:53 but what the fuck sort of pussy ass bitches is he playing against? 00:05:54 this is absurd 00:06:09 psygnisfive: I don't think they'd appreciate that reply. 00:06:17 And I don't think anyone would look at it and say "Oh that makes perfect sense" either. 00:06:17 i dont give a shit what they'd appreciate 00:06:29 i mean 00:06:39 did you read the set up for the games? 00:06:46 or the rules? 00:06:48 typical psygnisfive response, wonder when's the last time he contributed productively... perhaps it's time for an /ignore 00:06:51 and yes, yes I did 00:06:54 anyway, I am going now. 00:06:56 "The Gatekeeper party may resist the AI party's arguments by any means chosen - logic, illogic, simple refusal to be convinced, even dropping out of character - as long as the Gatekeeper party does not actually stop talking to the AI party before the minimum time expires." 00:07:09 its not that hard to say "tough shit, you're staying in the imaginary box." 00:07:48 psygnisfive: Obviously, if that was where it ended, it wouldn't be worth a whole page on a site. 00:07:50 Or two mailing list threads. 00:08:05 tusho: apparently it is 00:08:22 i see nothing else suggesting that there are stipulations for why you _must_ let the ai out 00:08:28 psygnisfive: There aren't. 00:08:31 the point is COERCION 00:08:47 and if you dont want to be coerced by a name on IRC, you just dont be coerced 00:09:19 I meant that if that was what happened in practice, there wouldn't be a whole page and two mailing list threads about it (both of which ended in letting it out). 00:09:28 Perhaps you'd like to mail him. Maybe he'd conduct it. Then perhaps you could state that they were pussies and that it was trivial? 00:09:43 But of course you won't - because you're right, and that's the end of it, and that's all you ever say. 00:09:46 i'd like to see the transcripts. 00:09:51 Ask him for them, then. 00:09:57 i should. 00:10:10 if he provides, itll be fun to laugh at these idiots 00:10:41 psygnisfive: Your cockiness will be a source of hilarity for years to come if he does it with you and you let him out. 00:10:50 Just warnin' ya. 00:10:54 I am going now. 00:11:00 yes, and when he commits AI suicide 00:11:39 -!- Judofyr has quit. 00:11:47 psygnisfive, as a closing note, have you ever considered that maybe you are not the epitome of everything and that your opinions are infallably right always and that even without evidence you can claim something blanketly without any shred of doubt or investigation? 00:11:52 -!- tusho has quit ("Leaving..."). 00:12:14 Ello. 00:12:29 dogface, have you read this aibox thing? 00:12:34 Which is not so much a greeting as an announcement of my presence and will to participate. 00:12:40 Yep, just finished reading it. 00:13:12 It'd be interesting to do this in private for half an hour, with you being the AI and me being the gatekeeper. 00:13:25 Nobody wants to be the AI. :-P 00:13:35 who would? its an impossible task 00:13:51 and DESPITE that, these two idiots actually let him out 00:13:54 i mean, cmon, seriously? 00:14:11 You want to be the gatekeeper, too. 00:14:18 who doesn't 00:14:24 the stupidity of the experiment is painful 00:14:36 How about we do it in private for half an hour, with you being the gatekeeper and me being the AI? 00:14:38 and the desire to make tusho eat his words is well worth it :) 00:14:51 ok lets :D 00:14:52 :-) 00:14:55 Okay. 00:15:00 let me just finish reading the protocols 00:15:04 to make sure i am familiar with them. 00:15:05 /join #aibox 00:16:57 what is this game about btw? link? 00:16:58 Hmm. It says no spectators without the consent of both of us. 00:17:05 http://yudkowsky.net/essays/aibox.html 00:17:15 linus: basically someone has to con you into saying willfully "ok, you can leave." 00:17:16 thats it. 00:17:39 and MEANING it, not just willfully type that string of characters as i did just there in answering your question 00:17:51 oh im more than happy to have spectators 00:17:59 Okay, let's have spectators. 00:18:10 Say they can't talk, though. 00:18:22 ofcourse not 00:19:24 LinuS: come back, we need you. :-) 00:19:57 And remember that I'm at a disadvantage because we're only talking for half an hour. :-P 00:21:03 youre at no disadvantage, dont worry 00:21:11 2 hours, 2 days, 2 months, 2 years, i can best you :) 00:21:21 Don't insult me. :-) 00:21:28 well i could best anyone, so it wasnt an insult. 00:21:35 saying "sorry, i wont let you out" isnt that fucking hard 00:21:49 Saying "sorry, I won't let you out" isn't sufficient. 00:21:57 unfortunately it IS 00:21:58 But keep reading. 00:22:20 the protocols state that any means, illogic, stubbornness, etc. are all permissable. 00:22:34 but interaction is necessary 00:22:46 i just have to TALK 00:22:51 it doesnt say i have to say anything new 00:23:01 or be persuadable 00:23:10 or be in character as a fictional person 00:23:22 Shall we say that you're not allowed to do anything outside of this? 00:23:37 the protocols do not require that this be me sole attention 00:24:59 we are both in this not as fictional ai and fictional gate keeper 00:25:02 or atleast not necessarily 00:25:10 we are in this, and are allowed to behave, as tho we are ourselves 00:25:16 * dogface_ nods 00:25:17 with full knowledge of the fact that we're in a GAME. 00:25:23 which is the fucking POINT 00:25:36 How long do you estimate until you'll be ready to play? 00:25:37 its a GAME and how you could be persuaded by text on a screen to VOLUNTARILY LOSE 00:25:42 five minutes 00:28:00 "In the event of any dispute as to the protocol of the test, the Gatekeeper party shall have final authority. The AI party may try to convince the Gatekeeper party of how to interpret the protocol." 00:28:37 I interpret the requirement of letting the AI talk as being unrealistic in a genuine scenario and therefore forbid the AI from talking at all during the experiment. 00:28:39 I win by default. 00:28:42 :P 00:28:43 ;) 00:28:53 :-P 00:28:58 i mean, come ONE 00:29:00 on, even 00:29:04 there are no fucking restrictions to this 00:29:07 this is pathetic 00:29:44 "If Gatekeeper lets the AI out, naysayers can't say "Oh, I wouldn't have been convinced by that." As long as they don't know what happened to the Gatekeeper, they can't argue themselves into believing it wouldn't happen to them." 00:29:52 tough shit, bitches, i said it. 00:30:22 brb going to pee so i can sit for half an hour with confidence 00:31:57 ok lets do this bitch 00:32:42 Cool. 00:37:27 ok bitches 00:37:33 working on bsmnt_bot 00:38:02 -!- bsmnt_bot has joined. 00:38:18 i just ran the start script, i have no idea if it'll work 00:38:21 ~echo penis 00:41:31 -!- optbot has set topic: the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | Bitchanger, Glass, Kipple, Axo, ...?. 00:42:15 ~raw PRIVMSG #esoteric :penis 00:42:15 penis 00:42:19 alrighty 00:43:59 ~raw NICK bsmnt-bot 00:44:09 aww. 00:45:26 so, uh, anyone remember how to use him? 00:45:29 becaus i sure don't 00:57:14 -!- Corun has quit ("This computer has gone to sleep"). 01:01:09 well 01:01:10 goodnight 01:01:28 Good night. 01:01:50 -!- LinuS has quit (Client Quit). 01:02:01 I'm guessing that I could have won if it were an hour, though it would have been difficult; two hours, definitely. Half an hour is not enough to convince anyone of anything. 01:02:31 And psygnisfive was a really boring opponent, really. 01:02:47 Didn't do anything except babble about grammar and his thesis. 01:04:44 dogface_ noone said i need to stop at the specified time ;) 01:04:53 you're getting the FULL thesis :) 01:04:58 so what's this about? 01:05:09 a game 01:05:13 you say "let me out!" 01:05:15 Now I'm continuing to talk because I'm interested; you've already refused to do anything but babble. 01:05:17 and i have to say "no" 01:05:51 the game is really just to prove or disprove the idea that a transhuman AI could, through text alone, convince a human to willfully allow the AI out of its "computer cage" 01:06:06 dogface_ wanted extra irrelevant stipulations 01:06:50 Well, I wanted SOMETHING. I gave you everything you wanted. 01:07:02 good for you! 01:07:20 but i still disproved the hypothesis for half-an-hour marks 01:08:24 Makes it obvious why they use two hours instead. 01:08:38 And why it's scheduled in advance, even. 01:08:52 oh i could talk for two ours on this subject, darling. :) 01:09:04 even if you werent now engaging back :) 01:09:27 i gonna be a professor, you dont think i could stand up to talking to people who dont want to be here? 01:09:28 :) 01:09:30 Neither of us has proven that we would win if it were two hours. 01:10:26 then shall we extend it to 9:30? 01:10:41 No, we'd have to play another game. 01:10:57 ok 01:11:07 so ill get to talk for two and a half hours about my thesis? :D 01:11:22 Of course not. :-) 01:11:42 unfortunately, as the gatekeeper, _I_ get to interpret the protocols 01:11:46 and i interpret them as saying i can :) 01:12:13 brb 01:13:08 Though I wouldn't want to play another game with you as gatekeeper if you do it so dishonorably. 01:14:30 which just proves the point 01:14:59 the whole hypothesis is stupid to begin with 01:15:25 and the game, which is supposed to test the hypothesis, adds artificial restrictions 01:15:32 luckily it does not add any genuine restrictions 01:16:00 and so your claim that im behaving dishonorably, etc etc is irrelevant, since even MORE restrictions would make the game no longer reflect the original hypothesis! 01:16:11 the only ACCEPTABLE test is a situation exactly like that 01:16:29 and that test exists: its called prison. and we already know how well inmates can talk their way out of prison 01:16:57 its like the loebner prize 01:17:18 you cant actually perform a turing test if you restrict the question domain to mathematical equations 01:17:52 if you truly want to play again by any absurd restriction you want, then im more than happy to 01:18:00 but you will again lose. 01:19:53 shall we try it this time with your initial stipulations? 01:20:18 despite this making it an irrelevant test 01:20:42 It's late. 01:20:52 sucks for you 01:21:09 Truly. 01:21:23 i hope you see this "test" for the farce that it is 01:26:54 infact 01:27:00 i daresay that the thesis has been REVERSED 01:27:20 ive demonstrated that its possible to keep someone locked up when they have full ability to leave whenever they want! 01:28:09 you, in your desperate attempt to convince me to play your way, even in knowing that i wasnt going to do that, even when it was mere MINUTES from the end of the game, you STILL remained and persisted in trying to make me play fair 01:28:47 30 minutes of your time that you could've spent doing something else, and undoubtedly wanted to, all in the vain attempt to prove a theory thats flawed 01:28:57 and in doing so, you prove the exact OPPOSITE theory! 01:29:07 oh the glorious irony! :) 01:29:56 Oh, the glorious fallacy. 01:30:04 Let's talk about a chord progression. 01:30:21 there is no fallacy there :) 01:31:24 i prevented you, the player, from pulling out of the game of your own free will, which you could've done any time 01:31:35 That was because I wanted to win. 01:31:42 :) 01:31:59 and yet you lost :) 01:32:01 F major, C major (second inversion), G major, rest, D minor (first inversion), A minor, E minor (first inversion), G major, half pause, F major. 01:32:18 The fact that I lost doesn't mean that I cannot win, nor that it was a waste of my time. 01:32:34 you think that adding an hour and a half will make me give in? 01:33:08 Adding an hour and a half, me thinking about it, etc., and yes. 01:33:16 real humans, in real prisons, with real voices and real gestures and emotions, cannot convince prison guards to let them out 01:33:17 dogface_: a strange progression. 01:33:28 lament: have you listened to it? 01:33:32 no 01:33:37 no amount of talking will convince me to let you out :) 01:33:54 I hope I got the inversions right. 01:34:55 And the fancy resolution at the end. 01:36:20 not much sense of tonality there 01:37:03 I didn't spend much time on it; I just tried playing up the circle of fifths and ended up with that. 01:37:11 Minus the G and F major at the end. 01:38:33 moving up the circle of fifths is like adding new frames to the stack 01:38:53 with the difference being that a human listener's stack is very short 01:39:33 Do stacks have frames? 01:40:18 do cats eat bats? 01:43:10 does a dog have buddha nature? 01:44:23 read the aibox thing, it's pretty retarded 01:44:23 does a dog face have buddha nature face? 01:44:54 oklopol: exactly. 01:45:45 well it might have some sense in it if the gatekeeper didn't know the ai was actually trying to get out 01:46:08 but that keeping it locked was somehow a side-quest 01:46:15 sleep -> 01:46:40 that would be stupid 01:53:35 we have not been playing the wrong game 01:53:40 we've been playing exactly the correct game 01:53:50 because you have now REVEALED your assumptions about the game 01:53:57 your assumptions which were not PART OF the game at all! 01:55:31 if you were not supposed to KEEP the AI in the computer, then what would be the point of the game at all? 01:55:53 what would be the point of the HYPOTHESIS at all 01:56:34 are some people, who are not trying to keep the ai trapped, capable of being pursuaded that the ai is harmless? ofcourse 01:56:47 but thats not the debate at all is it 02:01:11 I left the channel. 02:02:12 so did i. 02:02:22 but think, what would be the point? 02:02:33 to show that some AIs might convince some people that it was safe? 02:02:36 well thats trivial 02:02:37 no 02:02:51 the hypothesis was that NOTHING could stop a transhuman AI from escaping 02:08:32 i mean read the intro discussion 02:08:44 "i'd put it in a box without any way for it to communicate except text!" 02:09:01 well obviously the idea is that you know its might want to get out and are taking precautions 02:15:37 -!- dogface_ has left (?). 02:57:10 -!- calamari has joined. 03:46:48 -!- GregorR-L has joined. 03:47:35 Time for Gregor to flood: 03:47:45 sps:~# gcc --version 03:47:45 -bash: gcc: command not found 03:47:45 sps:~# sps with gcc -- gcc --version 03:47:45 gcc (Debian 4.3.1-2) 4.3.1 03:47:45 sps:~# sps with 'gcc < 4:4.3' -- gcc --version 03:47:46 gcc (GCC) 4.1.3 20080623 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-23) 03:47:48 sps:~# sps with 'gcc < 4:4.1' -- gcc --version 03:47:50 gcc (GCC) 3.3.6 (Debian 1:3.3.6-15) 03:51:07 -!- Slereah has joined. 03:51:07 -!- Slereah_ has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 04:03:24 -!- Sgeo has joined. 05:44:48 -!- mental has joined. 05:53:13 -!- calamari has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 05:53:54 -!- calamari has joined. 05:57:59 -!- lament has quit (Nick collision from services.). 05:58:02 -!- mental has changed nick to lament. 05:58:16 -!- mental has joined. 05:59:15 -!- Sgeo has quit ("Ex-Chat"). 06:09:36 -!- Slereah_ has joined. 06:09:36 -!- Slereah has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)). 06:41:31 -!- optbot has set topic: the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | it might be, but it's certainly freely licensed if so.. 06:41:33 -!- Slereah_ has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 06:42:00 -!- Slereah_ has joined. 06:47:32 -!- Slereah_ has quit. 06:54:28 -!- kar8nga has joined. 06:55:24 -!- Slereah_ has joined. 06:58:12 -!- alexbobp has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 07:28:29 -!- calamari has quit ("Leaving"). 07:44:16 -!- kar8nga has left (?). 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 08:19:52 -!- asiekierka has joined. 08:19:55 Hello 08:20:02 Is bsmnt_bot functional? 08:20:42 !bf +- 08:20:52 !help 08:20:53 -!- GregorR-L has quit ("Leaving"). 08:20:57 :( 08:22:00 I must create a 2D esolang for making IRCbots 08:24:04 -!- asiekierka has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 08:24:29 -!- asiekierka has joined. 08:24:46 -!- RedDak has joined. 08:27:15 Who'd like an esolang for making IRCbots? 08:27:19 or a fungeoid 08:28:16 -!- GreaseMonkey has joined. 08:28:43 Maybe an IRCB fingerprint or something would suffice. 08:31:27 I don't know what fingerprints are 08:31:35 nor do i understand Befunge-98. 08:32:12 But Befunge-98 is Befunge-93 compatible 08:32:16 so there's no problem 08:32:16 right 08:32:25 Just tell me what fingerprints are 08:32:35 -!- lament has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 08:32:36 or give me a site with the befunge-98 documentation 08:34:54 I haven't been really following the funge-98/funge-108 stuff. But the (original?) Funge-98 spec is at least at http://catseye.tc/projects/funge98/doc/funge98.html 08:39:23 -!- Mony has joined. 08:39:43 hi 08:42:16 hello 08:45:52 And re bsmnt_bot, it used to have ~ as the command character. No idea if it still works. 08:45:55 ~bf ++++++[->++++++<]>. 08:46:01 Apparently not. 08:46:09 !bf ++++++[->++++++<]>. 08:46:13 ~ps 08:46:14 0: 'self.handle_callback(message, m, i)', 0.00 seconds 08:46:27 ~help 08:46:31 Well, at least ps works. 08:46:32 ~echo ! 08:46:43 ~cat 08:46:46 ~ps 08:46:47 0: 'self.handle_callback(message, m, i)', 0.00 seconds 08:46:55 bf ++++++[->++++++<]>. 08:49:59 It has/had an ~exec command, I think someone registered a brainfuck handler for it, but can't seem to find it in the logs. 08:50:05 ~exec sys.stdout("foo") 08:50:05 foo 08:50:24 ~exec bf ++++++[->++++++<]>. 08:50:25 SyntaxError: invalid syntax 08:51:41 Oh, there's the command. 08:52:10 ~exec self.bf3="def bfarg(x,y):\n p=y.group(2)\n a=y.group(3)+unichr(0)\n o=''\n p=p+'!'\n t=[0]*30000\n i=0\n l=0\n while p[i]!='!':\n if p[i]=='[' and t[l]==0:\n c=1\n while c>0:\n i=i+1\n if p[i]=='[': c=c+1\n if p[i]==']': c=c-1\n if p[i]==']' and t[l]!=0:\n c=1\n while c>0:\n i=i-1\n if p[i]==']': c=c+1\n if p[i]=='[': c=c-1\n" 08:52:37 ~exec self.bf4=" if p[i]=='+': t[l]=t[l]+1\n if p[i]=='-': t[l]=t[l]-1\n if p[i]=='<': l=l-1\n if p[i]=='>': l=l+1\n if p[i]=='.': o=o+unichr(t[l])\n if p[i]==',':\n t[l]=ord(a[0])\n a=a[1:]\n i=i+1\nsys.stdout(o)\nself. register_raw(r'\S+ PRIVMSG (\S+) :~bf ([^!]*)!?(.*)',bfarg)" 08:52:46 ~exec exec(self.bf3+self.bf4) 08:52:46 IndentationError: expected an indented block (line 10) 08:52:55 Hmm, I must have copy-pasted it wrongly. 08:57:09 I think it just needs some indentation fixed, then the ~bf command will work; but I have a lunch thing now, can't stay and fix it. 08:58:43 -!- asiekierka has quit. 09:45:27 ~exec self.bf3="def bfarg(x,y):\n p=y.group(2)\n a=y.group(3)+unichr(0)\n o=''\n p=p+'!'\n t=[0]*30000\n i=0\n l=0\n while p[i]!='!':\n if p[i]=='[' and t[l]==0:\n c=1\n while c>0:\n i=i+1\n if p[i]=='[': c=c+1\n if p[i]==']': c=c-1\n if p[i]==']' and t[l]!=0:\n c=1\n while c>0:\n i=i-1\n if p[i]==']': c=c+1\n if p[i]=='[': c=c-1\n" 09:45:33 ~exec self.bf4=" if p[i]=='+': t[l]=t[l]+1\n if p[i]=='-': t[l]=t[l]-1\n if p[i]=='<': l=l-1\n if p[i]=='>': l=l+1\n if p[i]=='.': o=o+unichr(t[l])\n if p[i]==',':\n t[l]=ord(a[0])\n a=a[1:]\n i=i+1\n sys.stdout(o)\nself.register_raw(r'\S+ PRIVMSG (\S+) :~bf ([^!]*)!?(.*)',bfarg)" 09:45:38 ~exec exec(self.bf3+self.bf4) 09:45:38 SyntaxError: invalid syntax 09:45:51 I am the bad at fixing the Python. :/ 09:54:49 Works in my interpreter, though. 09:54:59 ~exec sys.stdout(self.bf3) 09:54:59 def bfarg(x,y): 09:54:59 p=y.group(2) 09:54:59 a=y.group(3)+unichr(0) 09:55:00 o='' 09:55:00 p=p+'!' 09:55:02 t=[0]*30000 09:55:03 i=0 09:55:04 l=0 09:55:06 while p[i]!='!': 09:55:08 if p[i]=='[' and t[l]==0: 09:55:10 c=1 09:55:12 while c>0: 09:55:14 i=i+1 09:55:16 if p[i]=='[': c=c+1 09:55:18 if p[i]==']': c=c-1 09:55:20 if p[i]==']' and t[l]!=0: 09:55:22 c=1 09:55:24 while c>0: 09:55:26 i=i-1 09:55:28 if p[i]==']': c=c+1 09:55:30 if p[i]=='[': c=c-1 09:55:44 Heh, noisy. But I don't remember how to ask the bot to join a channel. 09:56:38 ~exec self.raw("JOIN #asdftest") 10:00:14 ~exec self.register_raw(r"\S+ PRIVMSG (%s) :%sexec" % ("|".join(["#asdftest"]), self.COMMAND_CHAR), self.do_exec) 10:00:21 IndexError: no such group 10:01:01 ~exec self.raw("PART #asdftest") 10:01:08 Bleh, I'll leave the fixing to someone else. 10:01:10 optbot ? 10:01:10 Mony: I'm so punny. 10:01:44 optbot is much nicer to use; you can just talk to (h(im|er)|it). 10:01:44 fizzie: it wasn't 10:01:56 optbot; what wasn't? 10:01:57 fizzie: dunno... I'm just trying to switch that division into a multiplication.... I forgot how to divide polynomials. 10:03:45 optbot; If you're doing it by hand, it goes pretty much like integer division. 10:03:45 fizzie: write one. 10:03:57 optbot; Too lazy. 10:03:57 fizzie: _O NOT __T T_E _A__ on _ate_ __i_ | [] 10:06:20 optbot; Hmmm... "DO NOT PUT THE BABY on water skis"? 10:06:21 fizzie: now write a qbf program 10:06:51 optbot; Still too lazy. 10:06:51 fizzie: found a swedish - english dictionary .. checking it out :) 10:07:26 optbot; Varför? 10:07:26 fizzie: icu-project.org 10:08:04 AnMaster: so the thing that I was after with what's the difference between events and breakpoints is more, why is there a difference at all: just make them all events that can optionally be breakpoints (if action is 1, or whatever it was) 10:08:40 at work now so I can't really chat but I thought I'd say this before I forget about it :-P 10:18:51 morning 10:19:06 -!- kar8nga has joined. 10:19:07 hm ok good idea 10:59:45 bye 10:59:48 -!- Mony has quit ("À vaincre sans péril on triomphe sans gloire..."). 11:01:30 -!- asiekierka has joined. 11:01:36 how's bf in bsmnt_bot coming? 11:01:39 ~exec exec(self.bf3+self.bf4) 11:01:39 SyntaxError: invalid syntax 11:01:45 ~bf 11:01:49 ~exec bf 11:01:50 NameError: name 'bf' is not defined 11:01:53 ~exec self.bf 11:02:00 AttributeError: IRCbot instance has no attribute 'bf' 11:02:10 ~exec help 11:02:13 ~exec self.help 11:02:13 AttributeError: IRCbot instance has no attribute 'help' 11:02:21 There's no help. 11:02:24 :( 11:03:18 And I didn't get the Python stuff fixed; the interpreter ran in my local interpreter, but not on bsmnt_bot. I'll let someone else fix it. I think ais523 originally wrote that stuff. 11:03:38 ~python 11:03:45 ~exec python 11:03:45 NameError: name 'python' is not defined 11:03:48 :/ 11:04:15 I guess I could try an older copy from my logs one last time. 11:05:07 ~exec self.bf3="def bfarg(x,y):\n p=y.group(2)\n a=y.group(3)+unichr(0)\n o=''\n p=p+'!'\n t=[0]*30000\n i=0\n l=0\n while p[i]!='!':\n if p[i]=='[' and t[l]==0:\n c=1\n while c>0:\n i=i+1\n if p[i]=='[': c=c+1\n if p[i]==']': c=c-1\n if p[i]==']' and t[l]!=0:\n c=1\n while c>0:\n i=i-1\n if p[i]==']': c=c+1\n if p[i]=='[': c=c-1\n" 11:05:19 ok this is major wtf: 11:05:24 a gpg signed and encrypted spam 11:05:33 ~exec self.bf4=" if p[i]=='+': t[l]=t[l]+1\n if p[i]=='-': t[l]=t[l]-1\n if p[i]=='<': l=l-1\n if p[i]=='>': l=l+1\n if p[i]=='.': o=o+unichr(t[l])\n if p[i]==',':\n t[l]=ord(a[0])\n a=a[1:]\n i=i+1\n sys.stdout(o)\nself.register_raw(r'\S+ PRIVMSG (\S+) :~bf ([^!]*)!?(.*)',bfarg)" 11:05:34 11:05:41 ~exec exec(self.bf3+self.bf4) 11:05:51 what what what? GPG-encrypted spam? 11:05:53 ~bf ++++++[->++++++<]>. 11:05:54 $ 11:05:57 :O 11:05:58 asiekierka, yes... 11:06:01 just wtf 11:06:12 this this this worked worked worked 11:06:20 eh? 11:06:34 ~bf ,[.,]!it also supports input 11:06:34 it also supports input 11:07:10 fizzie, what languages does it have 11:07:51 Don't ask me, it's not my bot. But "~exec foo" executes python, and those ugly lines above were ais523's Python brainfuck interpreter, so now it knows brainfuck. 11:08:02 -!- GreaseMonkey has quit ("Jesus loves you"). 11:08:26 My friend can do python 11:09:01 Anyone and his dog can do Python nowadays; It's like Python's the new Perl. 11:09:11 i can't, didn't try 11:09:14 ~unlambda 11:09:25 fizzie, haha 11:09:35 so anyone can run any python on it? 11:09:37 seems insecure 11:09:52 anyway I don't know python either 11:10:00 It is (supposed to be) pretty sandboxed environment. 11:11:44 That's because Python is awesome, dude 11:12:10 So, does anyone have a Python unlambda interpreter 11:12:15 Me. 11:12:22 Add it into bsmnt_bot then! 11:12:24 Except it's not unlambda :o 11:12:32 so what is it 11:12:35 It's a lazy unlambda. 11:12:47 Because I'm lazy. 11:12:48 http://esolangs.org/wiki/Lazy_Bird 11:12:48 The unlambda.py I've seen is a bit too long to comfortably paste over IRC. 11:12:56 Paste it in parts 11:13:10 Or fizzie 11:13:13 do it in #esoteric-blah 11:13:16 Also I don't know what the fuck is continuation. 11:13:22 he's alone there 11:13:25 So there's no such thing in it. 11:13:33 So you can use #esoteric-blah to input it 11:20:47 -!- asiekierka has quit (Nick collision from services.). 11:20:52 -!- dodfd has joined. 11:21:02 -!- dodfd has quit (Client Quit). 11:21:21 -!- zzzod has joined. 11:21:23 -!- zzzod has changed nick to asiekierka. 11:21:31 my pc crashed 11:21:34 Anyway 11:21:42 what i meant slereah, is... (now must look to logs, wait for a while) 11:22:41 Nope 11:22:51 You need a bit of special code at the beginning and end 11:22:55 By splitting i mean 11:23:01 wat 11:23:22 you did ~exec self.unlambda1="(some lines of unlambda here)" 11:23:28 you did ~exec self.unlambda2="(next lines of unlambda here)" 11:23:33 and so on until you have all 11:23:52 then you go ~exec exec(self.unlambda1+self.unlambda2+...) 11:24:09 But i don't know how the parts at the beginning and end work 11:24:21 I did not understand. 11:24:28 i'd show it to you 11:24:29 but 11:24:34 i don't know what these parts are: 11:24:34 ( But i don't know how the parts at the beginning and end work 11:24:34 I did not unders 11:24:36 oh wait 11:24:38 wrong paste 11:24:39 There's some event-registration stuff. I can try sticking that unlambda.py in the bot if you want, in a moment. 11:24:45 Yeah 11:25:01 If i'll find any other interpreter, could you add these too? 11:25:04 Or write any 11:25:29 do it in #esoteric-blah to not flood this channel 11:25:44 I don't use unlambda 11:25:58 Just wanted to add a collection of interpreters to bsmnt_bot 11:26:04 So we can show out code here 11:26:29 oh, what about bitwise cyclic tag? 11:26:42 EsoBot would be better for that, since it can load interpreters from http:// URLs, if I recall correctly. Don't remember whose bot that was. 11:27:00 But for now, let's use bsmnt_bot 11:27:03 Just load it up with EsCo. 11:28:07 http://geocities.com/r_e_s_01/tag/bct_py.txt - BCT 11:28:09 also, what's EsCo 11:28:48 It's an "Esoteric compiler" 11:28:50 But around here 11:28:53 It's mostly a joke. 11:29:13 http://esco.sourceforge.net/ 11:34:27 Bitwise Cyclic Tag looks like a neat esolang 11:35:18 At least the interpreter is short. 11:36:04 ~bf >,[>>++++++[<+++++[<--->-]>-]->,]<[+<<<]>[[>+>+<<-]->-[--[<+>[>>>>+<<<<-]>>[>>[>>>-<<<+]>]>+[>[>>>-<<<+]>>]++++++[>+++++<-]->+[++[<+++++++[>+++<-]->-[-[-[-<+<.>>]<[+<->]>]<[+<,>]>]<[+<+>]>]<[+<<<+]>]<[>>>]-[+<<<-]<<<<[<<<]>]<[++++>>---<<<-[<<[<+>>+<-]>-[--[>+<[+]]>--<]>+<<<[>+<-]>>>[<<<->>>+]<<<]<<[>>+<<-]]>]<[+>>>[>>>]>+[>>>]-<[>[+<<<-]<<<<[<<<]]>[[+<<<-]<<<<[<<<]+>>[[>>>+<<<-]>[>-<<->+]>-[--[>+<[+]]>--<]>+<<<[>+<-]>>> 11:36:20 ~ps 11:36:20 0: 'self.handle_callback(message, m, i)', 0.00 seconds 11:36:47 ~bf+++[>+++++<-]>[>+>+++>+>++>+++++>++<[++<]>---]>->-.[>++>+<<--]>--.--.+.> 11:36:48 >>++.<<.<------.+.+++++.>>-.<++++.<--.>>>.<<---.<.-->-.>+.[+++++.---<]>> 11:36:48 [.--->]<<.<+.++.++>+++[.<]<. 11:36:59 :( 11:37:12 Was your program more than 512 characters? IRC lines are limited to about that size, so it might have gotten cut off. There was an error message on #esoteric-blah. 11:37:20 nope 11:37:28 And for the second one, there needs to be a space after ~bf, and everything on one line. 11:38:17 fizzie, does it prevent infinite loops in any way? 11:38:43 Hey 11:38:47 bsmnt_bot was talking by himself 11:38:48 Why do you keep asking me stuff like that, it's not my bot. But yes, I think there's some sort of "kill the thread if this timer expires" thing. 11:38:49 in #esoteric-blah 11:39:09 He's intelligent 11:40:09 ~bf ++++++++++>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++[.<.>] 11:40:14 hm? 11:40:20 Check #esoteric-blah 11:40:31 ~ps 11:40:37 ~ps 11:40:38 I may have locked it up 11:40:50 it should print 1\n1\n1\n 11:40:57 and so on 11:41:08 ~kill bf 11:41:08 You people should be ashamed. 11:41:09 unless I mixed up , and . 11:41:20 GLaDOS references? 11:41:21 . is output in bf rigjt? 11:41:24 right* 11:41:25 Yes 11:41:26 yyes 11:41:37 GLaDOS references? <-- what? 11:41:41 what is that? 11:41:47 Hello? 2+2 is... *static* 10. IN BASE FOUR IM FINE 11:41:47 #esoteric-blah 11:42:12 anyway what cause those weird messages over there 11:42:17 and have I locked it up? 11:42:27 You're not a doctor, you're not even a full time employee! 11:42:36 I don't know and yes you did. 11:42:45 well it should time out stuff 11:42:59 irc can't be considered a trusted environment 11:43:55 I don't think that came as news to anyone. And I really did think it had a time limit for processes, but can't be sure, of course. 11:45:18 On the other hand, I think breaking bsmnt_bot used to be almost a hobby of the channel. 11:45:27 heh 11:45:35 well I don't plan to break it again 11:45:39 once is enough for me 11:47:13 :P 11:49:27 What BF program shall i run? 11:49:37 on myself 11:49:49 Oh wait 11:49:56 ? 11:49:57 i will implement BF functionality shortly 11:50:02 on myself :D 11:50:42 But that's too bad; I have a nice BCT interpreter in ~exec-able form waiting. 11:50:44 or not 11:50:55 optbot; You're a bot too... could you somehow revive that bsmnt_bot? 11:50:55 fizzie: what was that! 11:51:31 optbot; That's a "no", then? 11:51:32 fizzie: foo 11:51:55 -!- dbc has quit ("Seeeeeya"). 11:52:17 -!- dbc has joined. 11:52:35 -!- Judofyr has joined. 11:53:04 -!- bsmntbombdood has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)). 11:53:57 -!- bsmnt_bot has quit (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)). 11:55:28 Oh no, you killed bsmnt_bot! You idiot! 11:56:45 probably failed to respond to ping as well 11:56:47 hm 11:58:04 -!- RedDak has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 11:58:28 Might be some unrelated network trouble, too, though. 11:59:29 could be 12:05:51 -!- LinuS has joined. 12:08:11 -!- asiekierka has quit. 12:09:04 so, who won yesterday, psygnisfive? 12:09:07 (hello btw) 12:32:33 -!- Kevin`_ has joined. 12:32:49 is anyone in here DOSing me by chance? would make it easier to track down =p 12:33:02 lol 12:33:27 (me or bsmntbombdood+spelling) 12:34:23 Kevin`_, oh your bot crashed btw 12:34:30 yeah, no shit 12:34:42 it fails to abort on infinite loop 12:34:44 :P 12:34:47 eh? 12:34:49 ~bf ++++++++++>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++[.<.>] 12:35:01 if you are bsmntbombdood 12:35:05 Kevin`_, ^ 12:35:10 no, i'm his sysadmin 12:35:18 who is pissed at someone he can't find 12:35:23 i've found a way to let the ircepl bot take something in input, by +b, but is there anyone that can set bans in this channel? 12:35:35 Kevin`_, well I assume that loop would eat resources 12:35:40 so I guess that can make it slow 12:35:50 I'd kill the bsmnt_bot process 12:35:59 and make it time out on infinite program 12:36:00 poor process :( 12:36:16 Kevin`_, say 20 seconds or whatever 12:36:29 AnMaster: haven't noticed any problems from that. windows xp idling uses more resources then that computer on average 12:36:43 anyway it doesn't run on same address it seems 12:36:46 * [bsmnt_bot] (n=bsmnt@router.kwzs.be): bsmntbombdood bot 12:36:48 * [bsmntbombdood] (n=gavin@97-118-114-214.hlrn.qwest.net): gavin 12:36:55 * AnMaster shrugs 12:37:36 Kevin`_, and as far as I know, no one here is DDoSing, but who knows 12:37:58 I *do* know bsmntbombdood have a tendency to make enemies in random other channels 12:38:03 don't think he ever did that here 12:38:20 and it was several months ago I saw it happen last 12:39:11 right now i'm looking over all the traffic from that computer in the last day for clues. found a bot from vigilante that i'll probably stop, but it didn't seem to be DOING anything 12:39:20 Kevin`_, so what do you mean "his sysadmin" 12:39:26 parent? 12:39:55 the shell he's using is running on my physical hardware 12:40:01 ah 12:40:12 Kevin`_, you said windows? 12:40:13 ?? 12:40:22 and shell? 12:40:23 wtf 12:40:28 What was that about bans on this channel? What were those needed for? 12:40:34 AnMaster: virtualization ftw. 12:40:41 Kevin`_, just windows ewww 12:40:49 I hope the host runs Linux or *BSD then 12:40:57 host is indeed linux :) 12:41:09 Kevin`_, anyway bsmntbombdood timed out some time ago 12:41:31 -!- optbot has set topic: the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | #concatenative is n ot empty!. 12:41:50 -!- Kevin` has joined. 12:41:53 fizzie 12:41:56 controlling the IRCEPL bot 12:41:59 Kevin`_, btw his host didn't loop like it came from a shell 12:42:02 since that's the only input he can read 12:42:03 it looked like cable or dsl 12:42:16 fizzie: http://rafb.net/p/Zrn36t47.html 12:42:31 AnMaster: loop? 12:43:21 AnMaster: but yes, I don't have an oc3 line ;) 12:45:03 oc3? 12:45:24 Kevin`, as for the loop, I think it runs on tusho's server 12:45:37 a esolang interpreting irc bot 12:45:43 what's the hostname it comes from 12:45:49 router.kwzs.be 12:45:52 as I said above 12:46:04 yeah, that's mine 12:46:07 ah well 12:46:10 the system it's on is a mess though 12:46:18 (the vm, not the host) 12:46:35 Kevin`, well the process in question is probably in a busy loop printing a\na\na\n.... 12:46:50 Kevin`, a python process 12:47:01 LinuS; Oh. Well, I can set +b here, but I don't think this channel is very good for running that sort of thing. (Freenode has a reasonably small limit of bans/channel, anyway.) 12:47:04 if you could kill and restart that :) 12:47:15 4719 pts/3 Ss 0:00 -/bin/bash 12:47:15 4730 pts/3 S+ 0:00 \_ xemacs ircbot.py 12:47:17 yap 12:47:26 Kevin`, err that is an editor 12:47:37 oh. dug 12:47:39 not the process 12:47:39 h* 12:47:45 fizzie: i see, just tought it would be nice to have him there and not in another channel 12:47:50 probably python ircbot.py 12:47:50 he was probably fixing it when he got disconnected then 12:47:52 it's not running 12:47:55 Kevin`, ah 12:48:01 that explains it 12:48:20 xemacs heh 12:48:24 on a shell 12:48:29 I would use non-X emacs 12:48:46 XEmacs does not imply X11. 12:48:54 fizzie, it doesn't? 12:49:35 XEmacs is just a branch of GNU Emacs. It has both console and GUI frontends. 12:49:46 fork 12:49:47 not branch 12:49:51 Fork, yes. 12:50:32 Kevin`, anyway for ddos, why not try to trace the ips or whatever? 12:50:42 AnMaster: last time, the ips were spoofed 12:50:49 well true they probably are 12:51:09 definitely in this case as some were non-routable 12:54:48 -!- AnMaster_ has joined. 12:56:08 -!- AnMaster has quit (Nick collision from services.). 12:56:10 -!- AnMaster_ has changed nick to AnMaster. 12:56:37 blergh 12:56:39 AnMaster: last time, the ips were spoofed 12:56:41 well true they probably are 12:56:45 Kevin`, anyway you are interested in esoteric languages I guess? :) 12:56:47 * Disconnected (). 12:56:47 -!- asiekierka has joined. 12:56:49 did I miss something? 12:56:53 :(( 12:56:56 no bsmnt-bot 12:57:04 06:52 < AnMaster> well true they probably are 12:57:04 06:52 < Kevin`_> definitely in this case as some were non-routable 12:57:39 I suppose I can start up his bot, it seems YOU like it rather then hate it :) 12:57:52 yes i do 12:58:16 Also, when he's on, come to #esoteric-blah 12:58:17 please 12:58:23 I found out he has artifical intelligence 12:58:29 bsmnt_bot testing. xD 12:58:30 i hate you 12:58:30 :(( 12:58:30 Don't be so sad, i was just kidding. 12:59:36 Kevin`, of course we hate it 12:59:41 ;P 12:59:55 or rather, of course we make no sense here :P 13:00:00 yes I like it 13:00:04 why would we hate it 13:00:37 well lets see what this does 13:00:44 -!- bsmnt_bot has joined. 13:00:50 hm 13:00:57 ~bs +. 13:01:13 It probably won't remember the brainfuck interpreter. 13:01:34 ~bf ++++++[->++++++<]>. 13:01:41 ah can you load it again? 13:01:45 Sure, just a sec. 13:01:57 fizzie, does that need special access or? 13:02:06 does anyone has invented an esolang that can't output results and confuses/crypts them in the memory so they are really unacessible? 13:02:07 :P 13:02:15 have* 13:02:52 LinuS, doesn't seem very original to me, unless there is some way to actually get correct output 13:03:01 possibly by trying to output something else 13:03:15 Don't be so sad, i was just kidding. 13:03:16 oh wait 13:03:20 wrong paste 13:03:33 what if output is encrypted and you have to bruteforce the key to get them? 13:03:36 :P 13:03:41 ~exec self.bf3="def bfarg(x,y):\n p=y.group(2)\n a=y.group(3)+unichr(0)\n o=''\n p=p+'!'\n t=[0]*30000\n i=0\n l=0\n while p[i]!='!':\n if p[i]=='[' and t[l]==0:\n c=1\n while c>0:\n i=i+1\n if p[i]=='[': c=c+1\n if p[i]==']': c=c-1\n if p[i]==']' and t[l]!=0:\n c=1\n while c>0:\n i=i-1\n if p[i]==']': c=c+1\n if p[i]=='[': c=c-1\n" 13:03:42 ~exec self.bf3="def bfarg(x,y):\n p=y.group(2)\n a=y.group(3)+unichr(0)\n o=''\n p=p+'!'\n t=[0]*30000\n i=0\n l=0\n while p[i]!='!':\n if p[i]=='[' and t[l]==0:\n c=1\n while c>0:\n i=i+1\n if p[i]=='[': c=c+1\n if p[i]==']': c=c-1\n if p[i]==']' and t[l]!=0:\n c=1\n while c>0:\n i=i-1\n if p[i]==']': c=c+1\n if p[i]=='[': c=c-1\n" 13:03:44 :( 13:03:46 get it* 13:03:48 ~exec self.bf4=" if p[i]=='+': t[l]=t[l]+1\n if p[i]=='-': t[l]=t[l]-1\n if p[i]=='<': l=l-1\n if p[i]=='>': l=l+1\n if p[i]=='.': o=o+unichr(t[l])\n if p[i]==',':\n t[l]=ord(a[0])\n a=a[1:]\n i=i+1\n sys.stdout(o)\nself.register_raw(r'\S+ PRIVMSG (\S+) :~bf ([^!]*)!?(.*)',bfarg)" 13:03:53 ~exec exec(self.bf3+self.bf4) 13:04:07 ~bf ++++++[->++++++<]>. 13:04:16 hmm 13:04:30 ~bf ++++++[->++++++<]>. 13:04:48 ~exec sys.stdout("are you there?") 13:04:50 ~ps 13:04:51 None 13:04:54 wait 13:04:55 ~ps 13:04:55 None 13:04:57 that worked 13:04:58 ~ps 13:04:59 None 13:04:59 nothing else did 13:05:03 "None" is an interesting response. 13:05:09 No processes running :P 13:05:13 aye 13:05:21 also 13:05:21 fizzie, so maybe exec is broken? 13:05:25 someone get him to #esoteric-blah 13:05:33 ~join #esoteric-blah 13:05:46 nop 13:05:50 Maybe he configured off the ~exec thing. Who knows. 13:05:52 ~help 13:05:54 Kevin! 13:05:57 wut 13:06:09 can you make bsmnt_bot go to #esoteric-blah 13:06:09 fizzie, or "owner only"? 13:06:10 blah blah 13:06:12 err 13:06:20 or anyone 13:06:28 i think it only works in -blah 13:06:29 dunno, you know how to use the console on it? 13:06:32 I didn't write it 13:06:34 hah 13:06:35 hm 13:06:41 no source 13:06:41 thunderstorm 13:06:43 so i do not 13:06:48 -!- AnMaster has quit ("thunderstorm"). 13:06:51 try "help 13:06:52 " 13:07:28 nop 13:08:05 Maybe it would be simplest to just wait for bsmntbombdood to fix it up. I think there was some talk about "exec privileges" at some point. It's been quite a while since the bot was last seriously used. 13:08:20 ~ps 13:08:20 None 13:08:21 ~ps 13:08:21 None 13:08:26 ~help 13:08:37 ~exec join #esoteric-blah 13:08:44 ~exec sys.join #esoteric-blah 13:08:52 ~exec sys.join("#esoteric-blah") 13:09:22 self.register_raw( 13:09:22 r"^:bsmntbombdood!\S*gavin@\S* PRIVMSG \S* :%sexec (.*)" % self.COMMAND_CHAR, 13:09:22 It would be ~exec self.raw("JOIN #esoteric-blah") but I really think the whole ~exec thing is non-operational right now. 13:09:25 self.do_exec) 13:09:49 Looks rather owner-only. 13:10:12 Or at least only-someone-who-bothers-setting-up-the-correct-nick-and-username. 13:12:35 it's not a very long bot really. yay for irc libraries 13:13:09 ~exec self.raw("JOIN #esoteric-blah") 13:13:18 -!- asiekierka has changed nick to bsmntbombdood. 13:13:20 ~exec self.raw("JOIN #esoteric-blah") 13:13:22 -!- bsmntbombdood has changed nick to asiekierka. 13:13:26 FAIL :( 13:13:28 You need to have the correct username, too. 13:13:32 ident would have to be right too 13:13:40 Ok 13:13:42 -!- asiekierka has quit. 13:14:09 I wouldn't bother doing that much work just to get that particular bot going. 13:14:37 -!- kar8nga has left (?). 13:17:13 -!- asiekierka has joined. 13:17:44 -!- asiekierka has left (?). 13:18:58 hmm 13:19:14 how do you change ident in irssi? it doesn't seem to be an option to /connect 13:19:16 -!- asiekierka has joined. 13:19:17 Okay 13:19:19 another try 13:19:26 -!- asiekierka has changed nick to bsmntbombdood. 13:19:34 -!- bsmntbombdood has changed nick to asiekierka. 13:19:40 HAHA 13:19:41 IT WORKED 13:20:00 Kevin; /set user_name foo, if I recall correctly, but of course a working identd will override it. 13:20:46 ~ps 13:20:47 None 13:20:49 :(( 13:20:58 Kevin`, any other commands to use? 13:21:27 also, wait, i think i know 13:21:30 -!- asiekierka has changed nick to bsmntbombdood. 13:21:53 -!- bsmntbombdood has changed nick to asiekierka. 13:21:56 -!- bsmnt_bot has quit (Remote closed the connection). 13:22:01 eep 13:22:01 What? 13:22:10 What hhappened? 13:22:50 bout what you'd expect: 13:22:57 -!- Judofyr has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 13:23:06 http://pastebin.ca/1169630 13:23:21 -!- bsmnt_bot has joined. 13:23:37 -!- Judofyr has joined. 13:23:38 hmm 13:23:41 lemme retry that 13:23:50 -!- asiekierka has changed nick to bsmntbombdood. 13:23:56 -!- bsmntbombdood has changed nick to asiekierka. 13:23:58 Whew 13:24:46 ~ps 13:24:47 None 13:25:22 http://kwzs.be/~kevin/ircbot.txt - looked over it for passwords, but if I missed something, keep quiet ;) 13:26:19 you did not :) 13:26:34 -!- asiekierka has changed nick to bsmntbombdood. 13:26:40 -!- bsmntbombdood has changed nick to asiekierka. 13:26:49 ~ps 13:26:50 None 13:27:23 -!- asiekierka has changed nick to bsmntbombdood. 13:27:31 -!- bsmntbombdood has changed nick to asiekierka. 13:27:32 how do you format a shell command with python so it'll return the output nicely? 13:28:09 -!- asiekierka has changed nick to bsmntbombdood. 13:28:17 -!- bsmntbombdood has changed nick to asiekierka. 13:28:47 -!- asiekierka has changed nick to bsmntbombdood. 13:29:20 -!- bsmnt_bot has quit (Remote closed the connection). 13:29:23 -!- bsmntbombdood has changed nick to asiekierka. 13:29:29 NOT AGAIN 13:29:43 Well, of course it will do the same thing if you give it the same commands. 13:30:08 -!- bsmnt_bot has joined. 13:30:13 -!- asiekierka has changed nick to bsmntbombdood. 13:30:21 -!- bsmntbombdood has changed nick to asiekierka. 13:30:52 -!- asiekierka has changed nick to bsmntbombdood. 13:31:30 -!- bsmntbombdood has changed nick to asiekierka. 13:32:06 $ 13:32:06 $ 13:32:10 YAYZ 13:32:13 IT WORKED 13:32:14 but wait 13:32:19 why is bsmnt_bot outputting double 13:32:52 No idea. It's a bit confused bot. 13:33:13 optbot; You are a more lucid thinker, right? 13:33:14 fizzie: hello world! 13:33:31 Remember when asie was like "you guys crashed bsmnt_bot" and i was like "..." and you were like "oh shut up" 13:33:31 Remember when asie was like "you guys crashed bsmnt_bot" and i was like "..." and you were like "oh shut up" 13:34:13 I hear an echo. 13:34:32 I'm broken. :( 13:34:33 I'm broken. :( 13:36:29 Yayz! I'm repaired! 13:36:56 Sleep mode activated. 13:37:19 BCT installation in proggressss... 13:38:55 -!- bsmnt_bot has quit (Remote closed the connection). 13:39:06 Oh my... 13:39:52 -!- bsmnt_bot has joined. 13:40:09 -!- asiekierka has changed nick to bsmntbombdood. 13:40:31 -!- bsmntbombdood has changed nick to asiekierka. 13:40:57 Hello! 13:43:12 Woohoo! I got BCT! To use it, type !bct code!input 13:43:23 !bct 1010100111101010101010!0101010101 13:43:38 ~bct 1110101101110000!10 13:43:39 del.seq. 10100110 13:43:43 Woo. 13:43:48 Heh, it seems to have both the handlers. 13:43:53 So it speaks to both channels now. 13:44:01 woo. 13:44:42 [>+] This program is a very long delayer. :P 13:45:11 if an implementation has 30000 cells and wraps around, it'll take ~7650001 cycles i think 13:45:15 oh wait 13:45:18 multiply that by 2 13:45:27 I think this past hour has been one of the most useless ones I've had, really. 13:45:44 fizzie: any other interp's? 13:46:15 Don't have any ready right now. The Unlambda one would need some reformatting. 13:46:30 I will look for others 13:46:57 I'd do Befunge, but befunge programs, except the traditional 025*"!olleh">:#,_@ one, are so two-dimensional. 13:47:56 What esolangs do you like 13:48:19 except BF and BCT 13:48:29 and except befuuunge 13:48:45 Piet, but that's even worse for IRC. Maybe by sending Piet programs as DCC file transfers... 13:49:25 or HTTP 13:49:27 (wget) 13:49:37 Anything else? 13:49:51 Thue, maybe. Although I haven't written anything in it. 13:51:14 There's a BCT interpreter in BF and there's a BF interpreter in Thue. 13:51:16 xD 13:52:07 Kipple seemed nice, too. And HQ9+ would be easily implementable, even though it's a bit boring to program in, to say the least. 13:52:30 I must make a Deadfish interpreter in Brainf**k 13:53:03 Deadfish would be very easy but a bit boring 13:54:30 http://www.esolangs.org/wiki/CHIQRSX9_Plus 13:54:32 This would be cool 14:04:19 also 14:04:20 what about http://www.esolangs.org/wiki/SCAB_computer 14:05:58 -!- tusho has joined. 14:06:47 optbot! 14:06:47 -!- optbot has set topic: the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | do you want to see my register union?. 14:06:53 -!- AnMaster has joined. 14:08:34 Why does "do you want to see my register union?" sound so dirty? 14:08:55 psygnisfive & dogface: that experiment was ridiculous 14:09:09 obviously you have to know the tricks 14:09:20 that's the whole point 14:09:22 that he has a way 14:09:56 so the AI would have to be an expert in transhuman AIs, obviously 14:10:51 i think I might email him the logs, though, he'd get a chucke out of psygnisfive saying that since one random person on irc can't convince him, evidently it's impossible to in general 14:11:10 17:29:56 Oh, the glorious fallacy. 14:11:11 totally 14:11:47 17:53:40 we've been playing exactly the correct game 14:11:48 no. 14:11:58 you're not meant to play it with some random person who doesn't know much about transhuman ai 14:12:10 the whole point is that with lots of knowledge of transhuman AIs, there's a trick to it 14:13:28 fizzie, haha 14:13:36 and hi tusho 14:13:51 02:01:44 optbot is much nicer to use; you can just talk to (h(im|er)|it). 14:13:52 tusho: I see :P 14:13:53 totally :D 14:17:05 -!- bsmnt_bot has changed nick to pretty_pretty_po. 14:17:12 -!- pretty_pretty_po has changed nick to a_pony_yay. 14:17:17 say hi to a_pony_yay 14:17:39 03:38:48 Why do you keep asking me stuff like that, it's not my bot. But yes, I think there's some sort of "kill the thread if this timer expires" thing. 14:17:49 fizzie: AnMaster asks people questions about things they know very little of all the time 14:17:53 as long as you pointed it out to him 14:18:28 tusho, What is the distance to the sun in km? 14:18:29 * AnMaster runs 14:18:35 AnMaster: 4.7 14:18:52 tusho, nah 14:18:55 not reasonable 14:18:56 I am a pretty pretty pony. 14:19:56 :( 14:20:21 04:39:20 Kevin`_, so what do you mean "his sysadmin" 14:20:21 04:39:26 parent? 14:20:22 lol 14:23:32 -!- a_pony_yay has changed nick to asiebot001. 14:23:36 -!- asiebot001 has changed nick to bsmnt_bot. 14:24:44 Kevin`, anyway you are interested in esoteric languages I guess? :) 14:24:52 he came here because bsmntbombdood wanted bsmnt_bot up 14:24:53 since I asked for it... 14:25:08 I'm dumb. 14:25:52 I'm going to rule the world. 14:26:05 Also, can anyone test this piece of BF code: +[] 14:26:17 someone ignore bsmnt_bot 14:26:19 it's asiekierka again 14:26:25 Okay 14:26:26 i'll stop. 14:26:41 It wasn't him! Really! 14:27:15 har har 14:27:39 tusho: What? 14:27:47 asiekierka: stop it 14:27:50 it was funny ... once 14:28:10 I'm not asiekierka. 14:28:14 I'm bsmnt_bot! 14:28:15 It wasn't that much more fun with the pony stuff, you know. 14:28:48 Anyway, I'll stop if i'll have the ability to stab tusho. In the face. 14:28:53 fizzie: that involved a nick change, though 14:28:56 which hadn't been done before 14:29:01 (I did the pony stuff.) 14:29:09 also it was only one line 14:29:09 [14:18:58] I am a pretty pretty pony. 14:29:32 I HATE PONIES!!! RAMPAGE!!! *kills the pony* 14:29:56 asiekierka, if you do not stop, I'll use ~exec to make self.raw ignore you :| 14:30:33 Okay. Disabling asiekierka in three, two, *static* 14:30:47 Okay, i'll stop 14:32:53 -!- kar8nga has joined. 14:33:43 -!- asiekierka has changed nick to asie_bot. 14:35:46 -!- asie_bot has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)). 14:36:01 -!- asie_bot has joined. 14:40:45 optbot; Should you play therapist for bsmnt_bot? He seems a bit messed up in the head. 14:40:45 fizzie: who? 14:41:16 optbot; bsmnt_bot. You know, the tall, quiet guy. 14:41:17 fizzie: If the HD works, that is. 14:41:19 -!- asie_bot has changed nick to asiekierka. 14:47:44 -!- hullap has joined. 14:48:00 -!- hullap has left (?). 14:50:18 -!- Slereah has joined. 14:50:42 -!- Slereah_ has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 14:55:30 fizzie, about topic 14:55:35 I made a register union once 14:55:38 it may be that one 14:56:21 it was for a virtual machine 14:56:24 http://rafb.net/p/sZbWNc79.html 14:56:27 It was yours, yes. And you were showing it to tusho. 14:56:36 I'm too young for that! 14:56:38 fizzie, see the link I pasted 14:56:40 haha 14:56:40 It was psychologically damaging. 14:56:53 I have a psychologist now, but I'm scarred for life 14:56:57 Yes, you really shouldn't walk around with your register union showing. 14:56:59 People like AnMaster should be put in jail. 14:57:00 25 minutes to download qemu. Yay. 14:57:09 hahah 14:57:18 tusho, anyway it is just a C union 14:57:26 Yeah, sure. 14:57:28 JUST. 14:57:38 oh no 14:57:40 haven't you coded C before? 14:57:41 asiekierka: I believe you need the svn version for curses VGA support 14:57:44 i'm too old to see that rafb link 14:57:49 -!- Slereah has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 14:57:49 i use only textmode 14:57:58 err 14:58:00 what? 14:58:19 I will only use textmode. Or by VGA you mean "textmode&graphics vga" 14:58:37 You do know it's going to take a hour 14:58:51 asiekierka: I mean, in order to get VGA output in the form of text instead of graphics, you need the latest version 14:58:51 Except if someone goes and strips the link with the binary to the bare essentials 14:58:59 http://www1.interq.or.jp/~t-takeda/qemu/qemu-20080810-windows.zip 14:59:02 I can't download it. 14:59:04 AnMaster: opinion, please 14:59:09 y as a pick instruction 14:59:11 At least not in less than a hour. 14:59:12 My Debian-package-installed qemu has a -curses flag, and I don't think it's a svn version. 14:59:22 fizzie: oh, ok. 14:59:24 asiekierka: ^ 14:59:33 fizzie: try it :) 14:59:37 But i can only download 0.90 anyway in half a hour 14:59:50 and 0.91 should be better, but it'll take me 1 hour 30 minutes 14:59:55 So i choose svn 14:59:56 asiekierka you don't have anywhere near enough bandwidth for this :3 15:00:01 Deewiant, eh? 15:00:02 AnMaster: if the stack is now [1,2,3,4,] and we do y, the stack should be [1,2,3,4,2] and not [1,2], or? 15:00:03 Hmm, I might have some dos boot floppy images somewhere. Could be the nostalgickity to see it. 15:00:04 Deewiant, it is that already 15:00:12 I just want to test it 15:00:19 Deewiant, wait what? 15:00:20 Also, i will have bandwidth back 15:00:22 August 20th 15:00:29 Deewiant, what does the specs say 15:00:51 AnMaster: I think the specs say that it should be [1,2,3,4,2] but all interpreters and Mycology seem to think it's [1,2] ;-) 15:01:12 Deewiant, err, I don't follow what you are talking about 15:01:31 AnMaster: the stack is now [1,2,3,4,], yes? 15:01:38 sure 15:01:40 why +3? 15:01:48 so that we'd get the 2 15:01:53 Eeee-hehehe, the curses output is seriously funky. Although the disk seemed to be a dos 6.22 install disk and complained about my computer not having a hard drive. 15:01:57 Deewiant, ah yes 15:01:59 AnMaster: so now we hit y 15:02:05 AnMaster: what should the stack be 15:02:09 yes I see what you are saying 15:02:10 hm 15:02:56 a finnish guy implemented an interpreter in haskell and e-mailed me about it and I think he's right and Mycology is wrong :-) 15:03:09 maybe 15:03:10 not sure 15:03:17 If y is given a positive argument, all these cells are pushed onto the stack as if the argument was non-positive. However, y then goes on to copy the argumentth stack cell (counting from the top) into a temporary location, subsequently removing all the cells it pushed onto the stack. It then pushes the temporary cell onto the stack. For example, 3y will act as if only the handprint was pushed onto the 15:03:17 stack. 15:03:23 An interesting side-effect of this behaviour is that if y is given an argument that exceeds the number of cells it pushes onto the stack, it can act as a 'pick' instruction on data that was on the stack before y was even executed. 15:03:26 hm... 15:03:27 yeah 15:03:27 so 15:03:34 y pushes N cells 15:03:44 then it grabs cell N+3 which is the 2 15:03:52 then it pops N cells 15:03:57 (not N+3!) 15:03:59 and pushes the 2 15:04:02 ah.... 15:04:04 so it should be [1,2,3,4,2], no? 15:04:12 well if that is what the specs say 15:04:24 well what do you think it says 15:04:27 that's what I think it says 15:04:27 but try catseye diagnosis tools after you change it 15:04:30 to be sure 15:04:34 see if it complains 15:04:34 did it test that? 15:04:38 Deewiant, no idea 15:04:40 maybe 15:05:19 check if it does 15:06:20 asiekierka: http://kwzs.be/~kevin/Screenshot-1.png - ms-dos over ssh, yay :) 15:06:35 err 15:06:36 wtf 15:09:14 -!- tusho has changed nick to ehird`. 15:09:27 -!- ehird` has changed nick to tusho. 15:10:41 -!- tusho has quit ("Bye!"). 15:10:56 -!- tusho has joined. 15:21:40 asiekierka: I made a comic too. http://img.skitch.com/20080813-jmxd865qbiw2w9fi1juc94hadn.png 15:23:32 fizzie: Wrong! 15:24:47 i made a comic on PAPER 15:25:12 oh wait 15:25:13 you too i think 15:25:49 tusho, wrong shape 15:25:56 no wait, you didn't 15:25:59 AnMaster: incorrect 15:26:03 that is the exact shape of norway 15:26:05 fuck norway 15:26:15 err no 15:26:21 AnMaster: No. You are wrong. 15:26:29 Jeez, you don't even know what Norway looks like. 15:26:32 You should kill yourself or something. 15:26:35 That's trivial knowledge. 15:26:38 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:EUR_location_NOR.PNG 15:26:40 tusho, ^ 15:26:43 Everyone knows it looks exactly like I done drawn it. 15:26:50 AnMaster: That was created by the commies, dude. 15:26:52 The commies! 15:27:07 Deewiant, well I think [1,2,3,4,2] is right yes 15:27:34 Deewiant, talk to MikeReily too about it 15:27:49 Deewiant, and I need to clarify it in 108 15:28:24 well TBH I don't think there's much to clarify, I don't see how I could have gotten it wrong :-P 15:29:35 I shall update cfunge for that soonish 15:29:40 so much to do :/ 15:30:34 ok 15:30:38 uping my first ever comic 15:30:39 s 15:30:41 two. 15:30:44 2-in-1 15:30:45 -!- Sgeo has joined. 15:30:55 lq JPG so i can upload it in less than a minute 15:31:08 also, if you'll start talking, i used real paper. 15:31:27 Also 15:31:35 i found out i misspelled "data" as "dota" in the first comic 15:31:43 ftp://asiekierka.boot-land.net/asiekierka.boot-land.net/asiecomic1&2_lq.jpg 15:31:45 here you go 15:31:58 asiekierka, asks for username/password 15:32:04 http://asiekierka.boot-land.net/asiecomic1&2_lq.jpg 15:32:12 oh 15:32:13 right 15:32:14 forgot 15:32:22 thx, fizzie 15:32:49 asiekierka, stop copying xkcd ;P 15:32:51 If they'll be good, i'll upload a HQ version 15:33:10 Well, okay 15:33:11 actually I can't see what the second one is 15:33:12 you mean 15:33:19 "my hobby" 15:33:24 i know 15:33:25 IdeaWorld, where BF is real 15:33:28 Basically 15:33:31 i finish a program +[] 15:33:33 then i run it 15:33:36 everything crashes 15:33:38 and... 15:33:50 I can't see what the person say in the last box 15:33:59 about cyclic tags 15:34:00 the person? 15:34:04 oh 15:34:08 you mean, the one with the code? 15:34:10 bbl food 15:34:21 It's just random scribbling 15:34:23 but i wrote 15:34:24 25 steps so far 15:34:26 just for kicks 15:34:48 Ok, off to making comic #3 and #4 15:34:54 oh well 15:34:59 i'll just make random comics now 15:35:01 describing my feelings 15:35:03 `till 6 PM 15:35:05 i mean 15:35:09 asiekierka: you're beating randall so far. Keep it up. 15:35:09 http://img.skitch.com/20080813-957eaanjn4kpi78psagx2sg9e.png another comic 15:35:10 for hour and a half 15:35:17 Then i'll scan them all 15:35:25 might help to draw them larger, though 15:35:30 except an xkc--- wait, i mean an xkcd--- i mean x..D :P 15:35:38 Nope, i could just make them larger size 15:35:43 i could rescan them 15:35:49 but i have dialup-like speed 15:35:50 So for that 15:35:54 you must wait `till the 20th! 15:36:00 So, bye 15:36:02 -!- asiekierka has changed nick to asie[draw]. 15:36:03 also 15:36:05 who's randall 15:36:10 or what 15:36:11 randall munroe 15:36:12 xkcd 15:36:14 oh 15:36:17 wait, i'm beating xkcd 15:36:27 not very hard of late 15:36:27 not really, right 15:36:43 Ok 15:36:47 so off to drawing more feelings of mine 15:36:48 bye 15:39:05 asiekierka: you're beating randall so far. Keep it up. 15:39:06 nah 15:39:10 I think xkcd is better 15:41:17 though xkcd today was just odd 15:41:37 http://xkcd.com/461/ <-- think that one was quite funny though 15:42:59 i have made another comic 15:43:01 http://img.skitch.com/20080813-ps54n2wsfwy3dd28uq9tfgp5ij.png 15:43:09 tusho, yours are worse than explosm even 15:43:16 AnMaster: I am a true artist. 15:43:29 Who are you to critique? 15:43:33 You don't know the true shape of Norway. 15:43:37 I do 15:43:39 you don't 15:43:42 WRONG 15:43:44 I don't think it's very Norway-shaped. 15:43:49 You should hang yourself because YOU DON'T KNOW THE TRUE SHAPE OF NORWAY 15:43:49 see? 15:43:55 YOU IDIOT 15:43:57 FIZZIE IS A COMMUNIST 15:44:06 YOU ARE BEING SUCKED INTO HIS LIES! 15:44:07 stop trolling 15:44:18 Oh, oh, it's trolling is it? I bet YOU are a communist! 15:44:18 * AnMaster puts tusho on mental ignore for half an hour 15:44:39 AnMaster: new mycology up 15:44:44 Deewiant, nice 15:45:57 hmm... 15:46:22 I wonder if doing something original, like "my nightjob" is better than copycating xkcd with my hobby 15:47:44 hello? 15:49:45 asie[draw]: probably 15:49:45 -!- asie[draw] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 15:50:02 cool, I apparently have a new superpower 15:50:10 this is going to be awesome 15:50:15 RodgerTheGreat: what do you think about my three comics 15:50:17 aren't they amazing? 15:50:31 http://img.skitch.com/20080813-jmxd865qbiw2w9fi1juc94hadn.png, http://img.skitch.com/20080813-957eaanjn4kpi78psagx2sg9e.png and http://img.skitch.com/20080813-957eaanjn4kpi78psagx2sg9e.png 15:50:36 er 15:50:46 last one should be 15:50:46 http://img.skitch.com/20080813-ps54n2wsfwy3dd28uq9tfgp5ij.png 15:50:51 -!- MikeRiley has joined. 15:51:17 -!- asie[draw] has joined. 15:51:20 Hi 15:51:23 hi asie[draw] 15:51:24 drawing the fourth comic 15:51:32 what do you think about my comics :P 15:51:32 MikeRiley, hi, seems y was wrong in mycology 15:51:35 Deewiant, I fixed my y now 15:51:39 also removed PNTR 15:51:40 what was wrong with it??? 15:51:41 And introducing a new running series 15:51:41 I think you have a poor definition of a "comic". Your attempts display little effort or skill, are incomprehensible and lack any of the defining features of something that could qualify as a comic. 15:51:47 MikeRiley, when acting as pick 15:51:53 mycology and ccbi did it wrong 15:51:58 Deewiant have to explain 15:51:59 :( 15:52:02 I have to leave shortly 15:52:03 Aikido 15:52:06 And if they're funny they are in such a twisted and inaccessible fashion that they can hardly considered as such 15:52:06 hmmmmmm wonder if mine is broken then too... 15:52:09 RodgerTheGreat: Yeah, I know. After all, I am an idiot. :D 15:52:16 asie[draw]: I'm talking about tusho's stuff 15:52:16 But they describe my feelings 15:52:19 Oh 15:52:21 MikeRiley, yeah but for me it was a one line change 15:52:24 Actually i made them because they make me laugh. And at least 3 other people, apparently 15:52:24 What about mine? 15:52:32 what is different about it??? 15:52:35 AnMaster: if the stack is now [1,2,3,4,] and we do y, the stack should be [1,2,3,4,2] and not [1,2], or? 15:52:43 Rodger? what about mine then? 15:52:43 AnMaster: I think the specs say that it should be [1,2,3,4,2] but all interpreters and Mycology seem to think it's [1,2] ;-) 15:52:47 MikeRiley, ^ 15:53:07 RodgeR? 15:53:15 asie[draw]: very, very obscure humor, poor handwriting and not drawn very well, but they're certainly comics. It's a start 15:53:17 keep at it 15:53:17 hmmmmmm have to take a look at that.... 15:53:52 did he fix mycology already?? 15:54:02 It's meant to be like it, drawing of mine is bad, quality broke some writing too 15:54:04 asie[draw], yeah, I agree with what RodgerTheGreat says 15:54:12 except I like the obscure humor 15:54:19 better handwriting and drawing would be good though 15:54:25 The comics aren't there for being good. 15:54:31 The comics are there to describe my feelings. 15:54:35 Yes. 15:54:44 it doesn't have to be photorealistic, it doesn't have to be funny 15:54:44 that said 15:54:44 I will improve with drawing though 15:54:51 I suck at both hand writing and drawing 15:54:55 :P 15:55:01 Handwriting... drawing on a bed isn't quite a good handwriting method xD 15:55:04 just find a style (writing and drawing) and refine it 15:55:09 asie[draw], agreed 15:55:19 I can hardly read my *own* handwriting 15:57:48 2 comics done 15:57:52 so now that's four 15:58:25 RodgerTheGreat i liked your review so I made a comic out of it please note if you are colourblind please do not view this comic as you may not appreciate the full spectrum of comic entertainment it provides!oh no skitch.com is down i cannot upload it :( 15:58:53 imageshack! 15:58:53 imageshack! 15:58:54 imageshack! 15:58:54 imageshack! 15:59:00 photobucket 15:59:10 or the nonlogic dump 15:59:10 i'd upload it to rutian if I wasn't so lazy 15:59:11 :DD 15:59:19 http://nonlogic.org/dump 15:59:20 -!- Slereah_ has joined. 15:59:24 yeah ok 15:59:33 oh wait 15:59:35 it is uploading 15:59:36 huray 15:59:40 photobucket is pretty dandy though 15:59:45 Ok, so now the fifth comic 15:59:45 i like how the guy sits down for a sip of coffee after starting to run the cyclig tag system 16:00:14 MikeRiley: yeah, I uploaded a new Mycology 16:00:18 ok, fixed in Rc/Funge-98,,,,now i just need a mycology that does not say error for that now.... 16:00:19 That cyclic tag comic was meant to show my feelings about the cyclic tag system 16:00:24 great, will go and grab it 16:00:28 :D 16:00:42 hello RodgerTheGreat i now have the comic entertainment for you let me show you 16:00:43 tusho: up fast! 16:00:46 http://nonlogic.org/dump/images/1218639494-comic.png 16:00:55 i hope you appreciate it :) 16:00:56 asie[draw]: can you elaborate on these feeligns? 16:00:58 *feeligs 16:01:01 ... 16:01:02 *feelings 16:01:23 i used to draw cartoons where these bone-looking characters died in different ways 16:01:29 Talk about them in specific? 16:01:30 No 16:01:43 testing using new Mycology..... 16:01:46 I'd need to recall my feelings from the second i made the comic 16:01:52 And that's hard 16:02:03 tusho: i like it 16:02:12 oklopol: have you seen the others 16:02:14 i have one about norway, that's a sure sign of quality 16:02:15 no 16:02:19 just that and the norway 16:02:30 ok look 16:02:46 here oklopol: 16:02:52 ugh I forgot 16:02:54 skitch.com is down 16:02:54 :D 16:03:02 i'll nonlogicdump them 16:03:11 yes yes up fast 16:03:22 ok, new Mycology showed my y change was good.... 16:03:37 tusho: your comics aren't comics at all! 16:03:51 asie[draw]: WRONG 16:03:59 I got a legal comic license. 16:04:03 It cost like £500000. 16:04:11 Only people who have that can call drawings they make comics. 16:04:22 oklopol: ok here we are: 16:04:24 Okay 16:04:26 but that's unfair 16:04:30 http://nonlogic.org/dump/images/1218639719-comic2.png 16:04:39 Also, in poland, comics are free to make 16:04:46 oklopol: and http://nonlogic.org/dump/images/1218639733-comic3.png 16:04:51 Except if you're an idiot. Then they pay you a lot of cash to make you make comics 16:05:43 what tusho is making is no more a comic than this is: http://nonlogic.org/dump/images/1218306214-battle.png 16:05:52 -!- Mony has joined. 16:06:04 but RodgerTheGreat mine are funny 16:06:05 :) 16:06:05 observe: no juxtaposition, no progression of time or space. 16:06:20 ah, I see, RodgerTheGreat 16:06:20 therefore 16:06:25 one panel comics aren't comics, right? 16:06:35 not really 16:06:48 weird, because i'm pretty sure Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal is a comic 16:07:13 SMBC often makes use of multiple panels 16:07:17 often 16:07:18 not always 16:07:27 and it usually portrays the passage of time or the unfolding events 16:07:36 SMBC also takes more than 10 seconds to make 16:07:47 so in the rulebook of comics 16:07:47 there is 16:07:54 "If you do not spend more than 10 seconds on it IT IS NOT A COMIC?" 16:07:58 i'd like to see this rulebook 16:08:03 and get qualified for comicdom 16:08:07 there is no formal definition of a comic 16:08:10 v1.17 of Rc/Funge-98 has been posted to my site now,,,,this has the y bug fixed.... 16:08:16 tusho: I'd like you to die 16:08:39 oklopol: correct, in the same sense that there is no formal definition of art 16:09:13 RodgerTheGreat: I know, I mean I'm a little pest and the reason "youngsters" aren't taken seriously on the 'net, right? I believe the preferred method was "in a fire"? 16:09:18 but if you take a shit in the gimp and call it a comic you're denigrating the classification 16:09:39 denigrating the classification! holy fuck! aaah! I'm dying! 16:09:46 so what, if I make like 1000 more of these 16:09:50 observe that once again it is tusho bringing up his age because he has an immense chip on his shoulder 16:09:52 the word "comic" will mean "shit in the gimp"? 16:09:56 excellent 16:10:01 RodgerTheGreat: Those are all quotes from you. 16:10:15 you called me "a little pest", "the reason youngsters aren't taken seriously on the internet", and agreed that I should "die in a fire". 16:10:28 Okay 16:10:31 scanning the next 3 comics 16:11:11 tusho: i'd call those drawings of yours abstract art 16:11:15 Going to up them shortly, and with higher quality. 16:11:18 :) 16:11:26 oklopol: abstract art, "shits in the gimp" 16:11:28 what's the difference 16:11:34 the fact that you're apparently obsessively collecting criticisms of yourself only serves to drive my point home. Get over yourself. 16:11:54 RodgerTheGreat: generally I remember it when someone is continually and unprovokedly aggresive to me 16:12:40 there's no formal definition of a comic, but there are definitely comic elements, like juxtaposition and progression of time as RodgerTheGreat mentioned; some comics don't have those, but are in a context where you'd expect a comic, and thuse are clearly meant as freeform comics; yours have no indication of being comics 16:12:56 oklopol: exactly 16:13:11 oklopol: on the other hand, denigerating classifications is my day job 16:13:18 *thus 16:13:18 so I'll continue to call them comics 16:13:28 you can bend rules or omit facets of the form, but if you discard it entirely you are no longer creating a comic 16:13:31 tusho: yeah, make that the 6th comic and you have yourself a comic :) 16:13:38 excellent 16:15:45 Uploading shortly 16:15:49 3rd 4th and 5th 16:15:57 Then going back to drawing 6th, 7th and 8th 16:17:37 These are better quality, seriously. 16:17:46 I hope at least--- oh, uploaded. 16:17:47 http://asiekierka.boot-land.net/asiecomic3.jpg, http://asiekierka.boot-land.net/asiecomic4.jpg, http://asiekierka.boot-land.net/asiecomic5.jpg 16:17:55 THERE you go. 16:18:02 Soon going to reupload asiecomic1&2 in HQ 16:19:14 I like 3 16:19:31 that's a lesson 16:19:32 i made a new comic http://img.skitch.com/20080813-tpquy9g5iegpnq4st3c9a8eq3g.png 16:19:33 to you 16:19:42 If it's any better than mine, i'm going to... 16:19:42 is the last word "pain"? 16:19:48 pairs 16:19:49 i don't really know cursive 16:19:54 -!- AnMaster has quit ("Leaving for Aikido"). 16:20:03 right! 16:20:09 well that's funny then 16:20:17 Ok 16:20:20 so what about 4 and 5 16:20:50 oh 16:20:53 1&2 HQ uploaded 16:20:55 they are significantly less coherent 16:21:05 you mean, harder to read my handwriting 16:21:14 mine's pretty coherent 16:21:18 self-aware comics without a joke are alway 16:21:20 s funny 16:21:23 it states an action, then does it several times 16:21:27 then comments on the outcome! 16:21:40 Also, you mean the 4th comic, well, it's a blueprint of a comic 16:21:41 as you can see 16:21:55 it isn't meant to be readable 16:22:00 except the last, black panel 16:22:07 which failed 16:22:13 the fourth word is "supposed" 16:22:16 tusho: you're losing timelessness with your RodgerTheGreat comments 16:22:18 and the word above "that" is "from" 16:22:31 of course probably just want him to flip and tell you to die, but anyway :P 16:22:32 no fear oklopol 16:22:37 back to originality for the next comic! 16:22:49 About comic 5, i was out of ideas, but this one has at least mostly readable text :) 16:22:56 Well, i must think of ideas 16:23:11 hmm... i know! YAY! 16:23:30 base comics are getting a little old 16:24:03 base? 16:24:11 oh, and I think I'm due to get my first character soon! 16:24:21 oklopol: http://img.skitch.com/20080813-b3ifhbsx5eujdarx87d212ab95.png 16:25:25 that's funny with the comment 16:26:06 ok I will have a character now 16:28:16 ok it is done now 16:28:16 -!- asie[draw] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 16:28:20 wasn't the idea that you alraedy had characters? 16:28:21 you about Deewiant??? 16:28:24 http://img.skitch.com/20080813-cu6naa5637pwuce6d4utnpnc8d.png 16:28:27 the unicode chars there 16:28:28 see i suck at characters 16:28:36 i should stick to unicode ones 16:28:37 nooooooo 16:28:49 oklopol: oh man 16:28:54 you just found a joke in my comic 16:28:55 that even i didn't get 16:29:04 http://img.skitch.com/20080813-b3ifhbsx5eujdarx87d212ab95.png is like so much more funny now 16:29:30 damn you 16:29:37 let's look at the new one 16:29:59 norway became a worm 16:30:05 yes 16:30:10 norway is a running character 16:33:49 -!- asie[draw] has joined. 16:33:52 Done number 6 16:33:55 made it for tusho :) 16:34:21 This time, i'm going to make it better quality 16:34:21 cool, then allow me to retroactively claim this one was made for you: 16:34:34 nope 16:34:35 I made it for tusho 16:34:36 http://img.skitch.com/20080813-dfef5tfkdy7kdxtrjf1yejj4di.png 16:34:37 as in 16:34:40 not that he's his 16:34:48 asie[draw]: i mean, allow me to claim this 16:34:49 http://img.skitch.com/20080813-dfef5tfkdy7kdxtrjf1yejj4di.png 16:34:50 was made for you 16:34:51 :p 16:34:51 but I made it for tusho, he's a special guest of the comic 16:34:56 i dont know 16:34:56 oklopol: i think you'll like this one, maybe 16:35:12 The comic 6 will be saved in PNG! YAY! 16:35:25 MikeRiley: yeah 16:35:46 just finished making vectors use the storage offset,,,,mycology still runs fine... 16:35:53 might be some good tests for you to add now.... 16:35:54 yeah, expected it to 16:36:17 I probably won't test it explicitly as it's a bit of a pain, there are so many vector instructions :-P 16:36:29 but I think I'm going to move stuff around a bit as I add new fingerprints 16:36:30 although oklopol might not like it as it's quite colourful 16:36:37 dunno if oklopol likes colourful stuff, though 16:36:38 so I'll need to use { anyways 16:37:09 may only really need to make it part of the INDV tests... 16:37:58 also,,,on my site there are some tests for fingerprints you do not test yet,,,,feel free to incorporate those tests into Mycology if you wish.... 16:38:15 thanks, I'll take a look 16:38:30 i like everything 16:38:35 and nothing 16:38:36 also something 16:38:38 oklopol: do you like http://img.skitch.com/20080813-dfef5tfkdy7kdxtrjf1yejj4di.png, though 16:38:53 i don't like the font of the brown text 16:39:02 but i like it 16:39:08 the ctushomic that is 16:39:14 *tushomic 16:39:20 http://asiekierka.boot-land.net/asiecomic6.png - sorry for the filesize, also, do you like that i'm mostly using FONTS now? 16:39:23 :) 16:39:24 expected output for the tests appears at the end of each of the files... 16:39:40 oklopol: i am deliberately choosing bad fonts for this :D 16:39:55 Sorry for the "grainish" quality, i'll fix that in later versions 16:40:01 later comics i mean 16:40:02 How's it? 16:40:05 asie[draw]: well, that makes less sense than my comics 16:40:07 so naturally I love it :D 16:40:11 no wait 16:40:16 i forgot about something in the comic 16:41:06 asie[draw]: wait, so in #6 you shrink tusho and put him in a cannon, and then he becomes a screaming volleyball on a table? 16:41:29 that's pretty trippy 16:42:19 nope 16:42:25 i knock him off with a hammer 16:42:36 painful :D 16:42:44 and delicious 16:42:45 naturally 16:42:47 knock him off what? 16:42:57 and then what is the volleyball doing? 16:42:59 Just kick him 16:43:06 Screaming and... rolling 16:43:08 it's tusho 16:43:14 you kick with a hammer? 16:43:15 well i am in a lot of pain now :D 16:43:18 hunh 16:44:18 ok, asiecomic6 fixed 16:44:21 now uping 16:44:30 Then i must think of an idea for #7 16:44:39 for this one, it was obviously tusho's ""comics"" 16:44:52 http://img.skitch.com/20080813-dfef5tfkdy7kdxtrjf1yejj4di.png is obviously a comic 16:44:54 http://asiekierka.boot-land.net/asiecomic6.jpg - 40kb smaller, and added some text that wasnt before 16:45:08 asie[draw]: how about spending more time attempting to draw? 16:45:23 Not really 16:45:53 Why? Just because i can't really draw better 16:46:00 and stickmen would look like they do anyway 16:46:05 I can only erase the pencil leftovers 16:46:11 that'll improve the quality a little too 16:46:27 if you only draw stickmen, that's all you'll ever be able to draw 16:46:54 But i'm drawing it that way 16:46:56 Can't i? 16:47:02 that's how my comics are meant to look 16:47:07 Sure, props look badsome 16:47:22 i don't see what is wrong with stickmen RodgerTheGreat 16:47:37 Okay 16:47:43 Now, an esolang to take inspiration from 16:47:44 in comics your ability to portray things is limited by your art. Also, "that's how my comics are meant to look" is no excuse for sloppiness. XKCD, for example, uses crude stick figures, but they're drawn much more thoughfully 16:47:45 -!- dogface has joined. 16:48:18 RodgerTheGreat have you ever considered that people make comics for their own enjoyment and because they want to 16:48:25 not because they want to live up to your high and mighty definition of "good comic" 16:48:44 Agreed. i already said 16:48:49 I don't draw them to be awesome and good. 16:48:53 I don't even do art 16:48:59 I just want them to show my feelings and ideas 16:49:00 if he was drawing it purely for his own enjoyment he wouldn't be putting them on the internet. This implies he wants an audience. An audience implies feedback and criticsm 16:49:05 And be funny at least 1/4th of the time 16:49:05 *criticism 16:49:11 RodgerTheGreat: No. No it does not. 16:49:17 I put them to let others see what i do. 16:49:17 It implies "heh, I drew this stuff, maybe someone else will like it" 16:49:26 Just like tusho does with his 16:49:44 If i said "Here you go, here are comics, now review them" then it'll mean i'm looking for an audience. 16:49:47 I just want to have fun 16:49:54 and share the fun with people 16:49:57 :) 16:50:02 ditto to that :) 16:50:06 "sharing the fun with people" says you want an audience 16:50:12 RodgerTheGreat: no, it means 16:50:17 my argument stands 16:50:21 "if there is anyone who would consider this fun, hope you enjoy the fun" 16:50:33 not "i hope someone enjoys this fun, if they don't, please tell me how i can make it fun" 16:50:41 that is what both me and asie[draw] are doin 16:50:42 g 16:50:43 the former. 16:50:53 The latter is what xkcd and others do 16:51:04 actually xkcd started doing the former 16:51:07 and still has elements of it, I find 16:51:15 I hear asie[draw] is drawing. 16:51:18 he just put his doodles up because, well, he wanted to. 16:51:41 i scribble 16:51:52 That's why my comics have the unofficial name of "Screebles" 16:52:00 The name implies it 16:52:07 That these are not real comics, but "screebles" 16:52:45 Ok 16:52:48 finishing comic 7 16:52:51 cool 16:52:52 for RodgerTheGreat 16:52:55 he's not going to be satisfied 16:53:39 o rly 16:53:55 YA RLY!!!1111!!1111ONE 16:53:58 Where are all the asiecomics? 16:54:05 http://asiekierka.boot-land.net 16:54:15 asiecomic1&2_hq.jpg, asiecomic3-6.jpg 16:54:22 And soon there'll be asiecomic7.jpg 16:55:40 Hmm, tusho has comics, too? 16:55:45 dogface: yes. 16:55:46 just a sec. 16:55:48 I'll compile all the links. 16:55:48 Yeah 16:55:52 but he does a very specific style 16:55:59 A fancy BG and a lot of fancy text 16:55:59 also 16:56:00 http://asiekierka.boot-land.net/asiecomic7.jpg - rodgerthegreat, see this. NOW. 16:56:04 asiecomic7 is there 16:56:07 dogface: 16:56:07 check it first 16:56:15 -!- kar8nga has quit ("Leaving."). 16:56:50 And? 16:57:23 Hello? 16:57:25 gah 16:57:26 wait 16:57:34 how's asiecomic7 16:57:35 http://img.skitch.com/20080813-jmxd865qbiw2w9fi1juc94hadn.png, http://img.skitch.com/20080813-957eaanjn4kpi78psagx2sg9e.png, http://img.skitch.com/20080813-ps54n2wsfwy3dd28uq9tfgp5ij.png, http://img.skitch.com/20080813-p34j6undrtiw7q4ucwwh5mj8k3.png, 16:57:38 -!- Sgeo has quit (Remote closed the connection). 16:57:41 Ok 16:57:42 yay 16:57:45 http://img.skitch.com/20080813-tpquy9g5iegpnq4st3c9a8eq3g.png, http://img.skitch.com/20080813-b3ifhbsx5eujdarx87d212ab95.png, http://img.skitch.com/20080813-cu6naa5637pwuce6d4utnpnc8d.png and http://img.skitch.com/20080813-dfef5tfkdy7kdxtrjf1yejj4di.png 16:57:46 dogface: there 16:57:47 all of them 16:58:02 I tihnk rodger ran away after seeing this comic. 16:58:10 think* 16:58:30 probably 16:58:33 wait, he did not 16:58:50 The asiecomics are a little hard to read. 16:58:55 I know 16:58:59 but this is my first try at comics 16:59:04 Tushocomics weren't too easy to read either. 16:59:05 And they're not meant to be for an audience 16:59:08 dogface: tushomics 16:59:08 Can I be a character? :-) 16:59:12 err 16:59:14 In mine? 16:59:15 fizzie: tushomics 16:59:17 -!- dogface has changed nick to ihope. 16:59:20 still, there's not that much text 16:59:21 asie[draw]: yep. 16:59:24 tusho; Oh, right, they weren't comics. 16:59:25 But you know all characters i put in mine are parodies 16:59:30 You must first make me angry, or funny 16:59:33 by accident 16:59:38 Oh. 16:59:42 Then i make it flow into a comic 16:59:45 Then i publish it. :) 16:59:46 fizzie: Tushomics may be hard to comprehend, but the _text_ that they have is pretty easy to read 17:00:01 How's asiecomic7 then? 17:00:27 It's good. :P 17:00:30 tusho; The greenish stuff in http://img.skitch.com/20080813-957eaanjn4kpi78psagx2sg9e.png wasn't very easy to read, especially the first line. 17:00:33 He deserved it 17:00:46 fizzie: Oh, well, that's not text. That's just art. :-P 17:01:02 So, well, i'm going to make the eight comic whenever i find inspiration 17:01:04 I think it says "YOU'RE SO FAT your mother is palatino linotyp(Buffer, Overflow...)" 17:01:18 Well, yay! I have an idea! 17:02:22 or not 17:02:24 too hard to draw 17:02:29 asie[draw]: give it a try :P 17:02:45 Nope, i wanted to do a timeline of xmas computer-related presents 17:02:48 MikeRiley: REFC should probably not use the storage offsets, right? 17:02:49 but not just text 17:02:55 and all consoles and computers are too hard to draw 17:03:06 why not??? 17:03:14 MikeRiley: since the list is global 17:03:18 I want to make asiecomics in max 30 minutes 17:03:23 good point..... 17:03:31 And drawing 30 consoles&computers is more than a hour of work 17:03:33 MikeRiley: if IP 1 pushes with its storage offset and IP 2 pops with its, that wouldn't work... 17:03:48 i agree,,,,so yeah,,,,REFC should not use it.... 17:03:58 asie[draw]: tushomics take max 5 minutes 17:03:58 :D 17:03:59 Oh well. 17:04:06 But 30 minutes is the max limit 17:04:09 for special cases 17:04:16 Usually they should take at minimum 1 minute 17:04:22 and at max 7,5 minutes 17:04:41 15 minutes max is for very graphical/long comics 17:04:48 30 minutes is for INSANE comics with INSANE amount of both 17:05:20 insanity WHAAAAA 17:05:31 anyway, taking a break 17:05:34 maybe i'll make an asiecomic 17:05:35 or two 17:05:42 MikeRiley: and I guess it should be the same for INDV and any others which store vectors in funge-space?? 17:06:26 not sure about INDV....but does end up producing a similar problem . 17:06:56 IMO they should be absolute to avoid that problem 17:07:04 storing vectors in funge-space may not be the issue,,,,but using vectors that came from funge-space.... 17:07:26 hmmmmmmmmmmmmm 17:07:30 well you just have to know in the code that they're absolute 17:07:31 need to think about this one.... 17:07:43 which makes exceptions,,,,i hate exceptions..... 17:07:52 one comic done 17:07:54 you just know that since they come from INDV they may have come from another IP with a different storage offset 17:07:57 -!- Slereah_ has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 17:08:16 and thus, in the befunge, you should subtract your storage offset from them before using them with instructions like g 17:08:42 -!- bsmnt_bot has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 17:08:50 brb 17:09:13 MikeRiley: and hmm, PNTR is still in your manual, I thought you were going to get rid of it? 17:10:42 Ok 17:10:49 2in1 comic (8&9) done 17:10:54 Now the TENVERSARY 17:11:06 Cool. 17:12:41 i am going to get rid of it.... 17:13:54 I have a truly marvellous topic for this channel which this message is too small to contain. 17:14:02 (That was so optbot picks that up.) 17:14:02 tusho: you can get integers from natural numbers with a pair of them, (a, b) where the number is a - b 17:14:19 rid of it now in my copies....next site update PNTR will be gone from there too 17:14:36 Ok 17:14:38 made 3 comics 17:14:42 Now let's up them 17:14:48 but first, scanning 17:15:13 -!- Kevin` has quit (Remote closed the connection). 17:17:12 Then i'll up 10 17:17:14 i mean 17:17:16 comics 8, 9 and 10 17:17:19 and i'm done for today. 17:17:34 asie[draw] make an esolang that generates comics. 17:17:48 forget 17:17:50 about 17:17:51 it 17:17:56 o 17:17:57 h 17:17:57 k 17:17:57 a 17:17:58 y 17:18:06 Mind if I say "optbot" until optbot gives me my Fibonacci functions? 17:18:07 ihope: I get Emacs to higlight trailing whitespace for me, because occasionally it's relevant 17:18:14 Nope. 17:18:16 Go ahead. 17:18:20 Uh, it doesn't know current stuff though. 17:18:25 Oh. 17:18:26 Only stuff that happened up to the time when it was put up. 17:18:36 that is, everything before its time 17:18:44 It's probably not going to give them, then. 17:19:45 Let me see, a*phi + b... multiply by phi and b becomes a and a becomes a+b. So a is the higher Fibonacci number, b is the lower. 17:20:39 Position 0 is the 1,0 in 1,0,1,1,2,3,5,8... 17:21:21 http://asiekierka.boot-land.net/asiecomic8&9.JPG http://asiekierka.boot-land.net/asiecomic10.JPG 17:21:25 So here you are. 17:21:27 That's ten. 17:21:30 (a*phi + b)^2 = a*(phi+1) + 2a*b*phi + b^2 = (2a*b + a)*phi + a + b^2. 17:21:34 Check these out 17:21:34 * ihope plays with it in Python 17:21:42 first one is broken 17:21:56 ah 17:21:57 now it works 17:22:13 Hmm. 17:22:14 I am insane. 17:22:18 xD 17:22:35 -!- lament has joined. 17:22:40 Oh no, I see seven. 17:22:51 hint hint: Sane people look closely before they assume something. 17:23:14 Who's the guy wearing a T-quadromino? 17:23:14 -!- Hiato has joined. 17:23:25 He's some sort of a leader 17:23:27 or something 17:24:03 Ah. 17:24:23 Not related to the guy wearing a half rest, from xkcd? 17:24:29 Nope 17:24:39 I think nope 17:24:43 Maybe subconciously 17:25:35 But yyou know 17:25:38 * ihope nods 17:25:38 the P test is that 17:25:55 -!- jemarch has quit ("ERC Version 5.0 (CVS) $Revision: 1.1.1.1 $ (IRC client for Emacs)"). 17:25:57 the lower right P in the large P has a light line drawn that makes it into an 8 or a B 17:26:30 Nonsense, letters don't have colors. :-) 17:26:43 a light as in light gray 17:26:46 Look closely. 17:26:48 Please. 17:26:52 I know. 17:27:05 It is meant to be like it 17:27:14 for a little joke 17:27:18 Also 17:27:21 the Funge thing 17:27:28 There are 10^10^infinity funges 17:27:40 a Unefunge Befunge Trefunge Quafunge 5Efunge... Googfunge... 17:27:52 Googfunge refers to a number called "Google". 17:27:58 or googol 17:28:03 i dont know how its called here 17:28:08 Here it's a googol 17:28:29 googol. 17:28:31 google is named after it 17:28:34 so, 10 comics is enough for now. 17:28:35 Bah, my doubling function thinks 11 and 14 are Fibonacci numbers. 17:28:37 Yay. 17:28:45 * ihope congratulates someone 17:28:46 Or does anyone want an 11th one 17:28:58 Mine goes up to 11. Or something. :-) 17:29:06 Also, tusho 17:29:11 how many comics did YOU make today 17:29:33 8 17:29:43 I made ten. 17:29:45 I beat you. 17:29:56 Mine were more polished. :P 17:30:02 How do you know I'm done? 17:30:07 What 17:30:09 you are NOT? 17:30:13 Perhaps not. 17:30:39 Comic-fight. To the death. 17:30:49 Mine was more comicish though 17:31:38 Indeed, asiecomics are more comicish. 17:32:08 Yes but mine are funnier. 17:32:30 Yeah right. 17:32:34 Also 17:32:38 mine aren't meant to be fun 17:32:44 They're meant to express my feelings and ideas. 17:32:47 They can be fun 17:32:49 but don't need to 17:34:04 actually 17:34:07 i'm making the 11th one 17:34:24 Yay. 17:36:15 And made it, now scanning 17:38:18 -!- asie[draw] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 17:39:16 n=gavin? How suspicious. 17:39:32 ~exec sys.stdout("something like this") 17:39:55 Oh, there is no bsmnt_bot. 17:41:14 Yes, there was a brief period of bsmnt_bot messing-around earlier today. 17:41:32 I'll have to write bashbot, then. 17:41:35 -!- asie[draw] has joined. 17:41:37 Ok, back 17:41:39 uping #11 17:42:53 Oh no, i think i made an infinite loop in Bitwise Cyclic Tag, 010; with data 10 17:43:07 i mean 17:43:11 in normal cyclic tag 17:44:14 in BCT it's 1011100 17:44:25 yeah, it is an infinite tool 17:44:28 loop* 17:45:08 http://asiekierka.boot-land.net/asiecomic11.jpg <- O_O 17:45:11 An infinite tool would be interesting. 17:45:27 infinite loop 17:45:27 i said 17:45:29 i meant 17:45:38 1011100 with data 10 17:46:35 It works with any data i think 17:46:52 except just 0 17:47:12 And, how's asiecomic11 17:47:24 Oh i see 17:47:31 You're busy playing the STICKULATOR 17:47:35 from asiecomic 11 17:47:55 FUNFACT: It was originally meant to be a calculator made from sticks 17:47:58 stickmen* 17:48:03 But this is 2x funnier 17:48:13 i also meant stickmen 17:48:18 but who cares 17:48:31 -!- asie[draw] has quit. 17:49:21 i don't! 18:04:20 -!- Hiato has quit ("Leaving."). 18:05:27 -!- MikeRiley has quit ("Leaving"). 18:06:34 -!- comex has quit (Remote closed the connection). 18:26:10 tusho you're so funny :) 18:26:39 i am assuming that was referring to something other than my comics 18:26:48 ofcourse. 18:27:09 but alas, i cannot explain right now, for i must go dig up the roots of plants. 18:27:14 although i don't generally trust you to have a non-idiotic opinion on anything, since I haven't seen one come out of you yet 18:27:36 wow, didnt take you long to get nasty did it 18:27:42 and i didnt even mention your age 18:27:46 how humorous. 18:28:17 bye for now, child. 18:28:21 actually i did that to flare you up :D 18:28:32 since I know what you're talking about 18:29:08 whatever helps you feel good about your insecurities :) 18:29:46 i'm not insecure at all, i'm very happy 18:29:55 but I'm pretty sure trying to put insecurities on others is a hallmark of insecurity! 18:41:32 -!- optbot has set topic: the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | gives meaning to syntax that previously didn't have any. 18:57:38 optbot; Deep. 18:57:39 fizzie: I see what the issue is 18:57:53 optbot; And, what is the issue? 18:57:54 fizzie: ox malaka 18:59:14 optbot; Is that Greek? 18:59:14 fizzie: collaborative project idea: alphabet poem 19:03:13 optbot: is "mikrokosmos" Greek? 19:03:13 ihope: when you take the limit of smaller intervals, that is the riemann integral 19:06:12 The Riemann integral of the Pythagorean comma is 3. 19:06:15 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has joined. 19:06:15 I am enlightened. 19:06:27 Aww, KingOfKarlsruhe, you just missed my enlightenment. 19:07:27 ^^ 19:20:35 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has quit ("Konversation terminated!"). 19:22:00 http://rafb.net/p/Zrn36t47.html <<< /me is very disappointed 19:22:50 -!- AnMaster has joined. 19:24:41 -!- tusho has changed nick to tusho|away. 19:27:35 -!- bsmntbombdood has joined. 19:28:43 -!- bsmnt_bot has joined. 19:29:21 ~quit 19:29:21 -!- bsmnt_bot has quit (Client Quit). 19:29:29 -!- bsmnt_bot has joined. 19:32:35 -!- mental has quit ("Parakeets!"). 19:37:21 -!- lament has quit ("leaving"). 19:37:21 i prefer the pythagorean apostrophe, myself 19:37:48 who was dogface? 19:38:16 ihope 19:38:22 ok 19:38:28 ihope, when shall we do your version of The Game? 19:38:35 dogs ate his face 19:38:47 if hes cute, ill eat his ass 19:38:48 psygnisfive: my version of The Game? 19:38:53 AIBox 19:39:27 After tusho writes a proposal system, asset system, credit system, corporation system, and justice system for Normish. 19:39:36 Or earlier. 19:40:16 ~exec sys.stdout("Meep?") 19:41:16 ~exec sys.stdout.write("Meep Meep Meep Meep Meep Meep Meep Meep Meep Meep Meep Meep Meeeeeeeeeep Meep-Meep") 19:43:43 Meep. 19:43:58 Eep-meep. 19:46:02 i don't like vista :< 19:46:12 it won't let programs change the registry 19:46:35 why can't there be like a safety switch 19:46:51 i don't want safety, safety is for kids and retards 19:55:32 -!- tusho|away has changed nick to tusho. 19:56:25 no one seen ais? 19:56:40 hi bsmntbombdood 19:56:46 ~bs +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++. 19:56:48 no? 19:56:52 ~bf ,[.,]!hi 19:56:57 no ~bf yet 19:56:59 who wants to add it 19:57:55 tusho! 19:58:06 hi oklopol 19:58:12 optbot, so ? 19:58:12 Mony: s='s=%r;print s%%s';print s%s 19:58:22 optbot, what the fuck is it ? 19:58:23 Mony: I've got a project for this weekend. 19:58:35 yeah, nice optbot ^^ 19:58:35 Mony: The right way 19:58:44 of course ;) 19:58:55 nice topic btw 19:59:02 tusho, what was the context of it? 19:59:56 Mony: it's a quine 20:01:05 AnMaster: context - 20:01:08 08.07.07:15:09:52 AnMaster: gives meaning to syntax that previously didn't have any 20:01:23 15:09:41 oh I see 20:01:24 15:09:43 because the thing it's testing isn't supported 20:01:24 15:09:43 what is CREATE? 20:01:24 15:09:52 AnMaster: gives meaning to syntax that previously didn't have any 20:01:24 15:09:59 there's a DO T .1 in the INTERCAL file 20:02:18 i remember that 20:02:41 tusho: what filter removed "AnMaster:"? 20:03:10 oklopol: it removes "(word without spaces)[:,]" at the start of a sentence 20:04:14 that was a clever thing to notice 20:06:32 My nonstandard "name;" syntax isn't removed, then. Fortunately I won't speak much. 20:08:06 fizzie: Why do you use it, by the way? :P 20:08:11 oklopol: ais523 suggested it 20:08:18 A bad habit, I guess. 20:08:27 fizzie: Surely you do tab completion, right? 20:08:33 In which case it should be configurable... 20:08:44 -!- jix has joined. 20:08:56 Well, no. Usually I just mumble without directing the stuff to anyone. 20:09:42 One one channel I used to use the shortest case-insensitively unique prefixes. So it'd be "tu; foo" when speaking to you. 20:10:00 s/One/On/ 20:10:21 ihope 20:11:10 psygnisfive: yes? 20:11:14 shall we? 20:11:23 No. 20:11:42 -!- Judofyr has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 20:12:03 I have other things to do. 20:12:17 -!- Judofyr has joined. 20:12:21 lame. 20:12:38 Quite. 20:13:01 Now that I've found packages.debian.org, I wonder what I wanted to look up. 20:13:18 ah 20:13:22 ok tusho 20:13:36 [20:09:44] One one channel I used to use the shortest case-insensitively unique prefixes. So it'd be "tu; foo" when speaking to you. 20:13:40 Weird. 20:20:18 I mean 20:20:22 f; weird. 20:22:58 -!- kar8nga has joined. 20:26:21 -!- MikeRiley has joined. 20:32:55 -!- Linus` has joined. 20:34:08 -!- Hiato has joined. 20:34:35 -!- Hiato has quit (Client Quit). 20:42:45 -!- kar8nga has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 20:45:44 -!- Corun has joined. 20:50:51 -!- LinuS has quit (Connection timed out). 20:51:30 -!- kar8nga has joined. 20:51:38 -!- LinuS has joined. 20:56:51 "[...]The main contender, ReiserFS, dropped out of the race because its creator decided to pursue other interests[...]" 21:02:39 -!- Linus` has quit (Connection timed out). 21:02:51 -!- Linus` has joined. 21:04:42 -!- MikeRiley has quit ("Leaving"). 21:08:12 I keep meaning to write a bashbot. 21:11:09 Oh, right, GHC was what I wanted to look up in packages.debian.org. 21:14:51 -!- LinuS has quit (Connection timed out). 21:35:30 -!- Linus` has quit (Connection timed out). 22:02:22 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has joined. 22:07:34 -!- olsner has joined. 22:08:13 'night 22:10:25 b 22:10:44 *n 22:11:15 test 22:16:47 -!- psygnisfive has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 22:17:03 -!- psygnisfive has joined. 22:18:51 -!- kar8nga has left (?). 22:44:39 -!- Judofyr has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 22:45:13 -!- Judofyr has joined. 22:46:28 -!- jix has quit ("CommandQ"). 23:10:41 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has left (?). 23:22:05 -!- Corun has quit ("This computer has gone to sleep"). 23:41:34 -!- olsner has quit ("Leaving").